City Council Nov 19, 2024

City Council Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:00:00	None: None	The meeting is called to order. The November 19, 2024 City Council meeting is being held at Council Chambers for 20 Litho Street. It's also being broadcast via Zoom on the city's website and cable TV channel 27.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:00:30	I.: CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL & ADJOURN TO CLOSED SESSION	The meeting was called to order and roll call was taken. Mayor Sobieski announced the items to be discussed in closed session: initiation of litigation, significant exposure to litigation, real property negotiations at 558 Bridgeway, 750 Bridgeway, and Cascadley Marina Property (00:00:44). Councilmember Lesting recused herself from the conference with legal counsel regarding potential litigation due to a conflict of interest (00:01:37). The council then adjourned to closed session and reconvened at 7 p.m. Mayor Sobieski announced that there were no announcements from the closed session (00:02:12). The meeting continued with the Pledge of Allegiance.	No Motion	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:01:34 Sergio was Neutral: Sergio inquired about any recusals with respect to the closed session items.
00:02:35	1: SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS/MAYOR'S ANNOUNCEMENTS	Mayor Sobieski introduced a special presentation to recognize Sean and Sonia Saylor and their family for their contributions to the Sausalito community (00:02:41). Councilmember Kelman read a proclamation highlighting Sean's history in Sausalito, starting in the restaurant business at a young age (00:03:14). Council Member Lesting continued reading the proclamation, noting Sean and Sonia opened Sailor's Landing in 1999 and moved to its current location as Sailor's Restaurant and Bar in 2008 (00:03:46). The proclamation also acknowledged their daughter Alyssa's involvement in the family business. Councilmember Hoffman noted that Sailor's was all about entertaining and making people feel at home, with many customers becoming friends and family, and that Sean offered the Cabo Wabo room for public use (00:04:39). The proclamation further detailed Sean and his team's support for the Sausalito Police Department and other service organizations. Sean Saylor was invited to serve as the Grand Marshal for the 2025 4th of July parade (00:06:00). Mayor Sobieski asked the citizens of Sausalito to offer their gratitude and thanks to Sean, Sonia and Alyssa, and invited them to come forward for a photograph (00:06:19).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:08:25	2: ACTION MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING	The council is considering the adoption of the action minutes from the previous meeting held on October 29th. The chair, Ian Sobieski, opens the floor for public comment. Babette McDougall raises concerns about the Levine Act and why it's not being addressed in the agenda items or staff reports (00:09:20). Fred apologized for raising his hand accidentally. Public comment is closed and Council Member Lesting makes a motion to approve the minutes (00:10:22).	Motion to approve the action minutes from the previous agenda (00:10:22).	2 Total: 0 In Favor 1 Against 1 Neutral
00:08:50 Babette McDougall was Against: Expressed concerns regarding the lack of attention to the Levine Act in the agenda items and staff reports (00:09:20). 00:10:08 Fred was Neutral: Apologized for accidentally raising his hand and indicated he did not intend to speak.
00:10:30	3: CONSENT CALENDAR	Mayor Sobieski introduces the consent calendar, noting that these items are considered routine and can be approved with one motion unless a council member requests removal. The items included are: 3a receive and file the library q1 report, 3B waiver of the second reading of the adoption of ordinance 724 and ordinance of the city council amending chapter 1047 marijuana regulations of the associated municipal code, 3C adoption of a resolution accepting grant from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife in the amount of $170,439 and contributing 56,813 of in kind staff time and wages for this journey street dock improvement project and sign a grant agreement, 3D receive and file a toast to Sausalito recap, 3E, approval of updated job classification for police officer trainee, 3F, adopt a resolution approving an encroachment agreement for the installation of an electronic driveway gate structure associated fencing and minor landscaping in the right of way at 122 San Carlos, 3G review and file the treasurer's report for all funds from the first quarter of 2425 ending September 30, 3H, receive and file the fiscal year 2425 preliminary budget update and review of the budgeting process, 3I, adopt a resolution authorizing the same manager to execute the professional services agreement With CSWST2 to develop the plan specifications and estimate for the 2024 roadway resurfacing improvement project in an amount not to exceed $27,936, 3J adopted resolution approving the purchase of a replacement police patrol vehicle in an amount not to exceed $83,087 funded from the COPS grant and 3K consider and approve The amended and restated lease agreement with the South State Center for the Arts at 750 Bridgeway. Councilmember Lesting acknowledges item 3C, the grant from the Department of Fish and Wildlife, as a significant achievement by staff (00:12:23). Councilmember Hoffman requests to remove item 3K, the lease agreement for Sausalito Center for the Arts (00:12:55). Councilmember Kelman requests to remove item 3D, the Toast of Sausalito recap (00:13:09). It is decided that 3K will be discussed first after the consent calendar, and 3D will be discussed second after 3K if Brian Vitale is needed (00:13:47).	Council Member Lesting moves to approve the consent calendar, excluding items 3D and 3K, which is seconded (00:22:19). The motion carries unanimously (00:22:29).	4 Total: 3 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:14:15 Jeffrey Chase was Neutral: Mr. Chase comments on item 3J regarding road paving, suggesting the use of non-black pavement (00:14:46). He also speaks on item 3G, mentioning a community member facing eviction and suggests it's a Brown Act violation to remove public comment before the meeting (00:15:11). 00:16:29 Kieran Culligan was In Favor: Ms. Culligan thanks the finance department for transparency in the treasurer's report and budget update (00:16:29). She notes the increase in street repaving funds and suggests using recycled materials and consulting PBAC on repaving projects (00:16:54). 00:18:09 Sarah Schrader was In Favor: Ms. Schrader, a medical cannabis patient, supports item 3B, which aligns the municipal code with the Medical Cannabis Patients' Rights Access Act, allowing medical cannabis delivery to her when she is in Sausalito (00:18:09). 00:20:23 Lauren Mendelsohn was In Favor: Ms. Mendelsohn, an attorney representing Ms. Schrader, thanks the city for amending the marijuana regulations ordinance (item 3B) (00:20:23). She suggests the city could further comply with state law by allowing and regulating cannabis businesses within city limits (00:20:51).
00:22:37	3.K: Consider and Approve Amended and Restated Lease Agreement with Sausalito Center for the Arts for 750 Bridgeway	Councilmember Hoffman pulled this item from the consent calendar to discuss the Levine Act and capital improvements related to the lease agreement with the Sausalito Center for the Arts (SCA). The city attorney, Sergio, explained the Levine Act, noting its regulations regarding campaign contributions and recusal from voting (00:23:08). City Manager Chris Zapata provided background on the lease agreement and the council's direction to lower the rent to $6,000 per month, add city representatives to the SCA board, and have the city assume responsibility for major capital improvements (00:25:10). The council discussed the facilities assessment report, expected in January, which would detail capital improvement costs. There was extensive discussion regarding the Levine Act and how it applies to council members, the SCA, its board members, and potential conflicts of interest, including whether campaign contributions from board members would trigger recusal requirements. Ultimately, Councilmember Lesting expressed discomfort with the ambiguity surrounding the Levine Act and moved to continue the item to December 17, 2024, to allow for further investigation and consultation with the FPPC (00:49:19).	Councilmember Lesting moved to continue the item to December 17, 2024, to allow for further investigation and consultation with the FPPC regarding the Levine Act (00:50:28). Councilmember Kelman seconded the motion (00:56:56). The motion carried (00:58:32).	2 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:37:27 Babette McDougall was In Favor: McDougall cited California Government Code Section 84308, the Levine Act, emphasizing that contracts must include disclosures about campaign contributions over $250. She advocated for a fairer approach to the law and governance. 00:39:40 Ron Albert was Neutral: Albert, clarified that the Sausalito Center for the Arts did not make campaign contributions to candidates. He explained that candidates were charged for using the facility.
00:59:33	3.D: Receive and File A Toast to Sausalito Recap	Councilmember Kelman requested this item be pulled from the agenda to discuss the financial analysis of the event (00:59:56). She believes a more thorough financial report, potentially with Director Hess's involvement, would benefit the department by highlighting its revenue-generating potential (01:00:00). She emphasized that her intention was not to criticize the event or Brian's work, but to improve the financial reporting process (01:00:55). Rachel, from the Parks and Rec Department, thanked the council for their support and welcomed constructive criticism to improve future events, offering to provide more robust recaps in the future (01:01:14).	Motion to accept the report (01:06:55). Seconded (01:07:06). All in favor.	3 Total: 3 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
01:02:41 Babette McDougall was In Favor: She noted that no financial details were provided, but acknowledged the spectacular job Brian did on the event. She thanked Councilmember Kelman for pointing out the need for more rigorous financial reporting (01:02:53), suggesting setting tenable goals and evaluating the dollar value of event properties (01:03:12). She suggested staging disruptive events could earn more income for the community (01:03:35) and supported professionalizing the event, especially with sponsored categories (01:03:42). 01:03:59 Lorna Newland was In Favor: She commended Brian Vitale and the Parks and Rec Department for a well-done event, recalling her past participation in the Caledonia Street Fair. Her only issue was the loud band across from her booth (01:04:29). She expressed disagreement with the idea of Parks and Rec being solely a revenue-generating department, emphasizing the joy and activity it brings to citizens from all over Marin County, not just Sausalito (01:05:00). She applauded the department for bringing more activities to the town. 01:06:10 Alice Merrill was In Favor: She thanked Brian for listening to the public, noting that he moved the band location this year after complaints about the noise last year (01:06:34). She appreciated his fairness and open-heartedness towards the residents (01:06:44).
01:07:09	5.A: Receive an Update Regarding Sausalito Infrastructure and Public Works Department Operations and Programs and Consider Providing Direction to Staff	City Manager Chris Zapata and Director McGowan provided an update on the Sausalito Infrastructure and Public Works Department operations and programs. Zapata emphasized the importance of Public Works as first responders and the glue to various city functions, highlighting the age of Sausalito's infrastructure and the need for continued investment. He noted the city's perfect record of using Measure O and Measure L funds for infrastructure (01:09:18). He discussed the city's revenue streams for infrastructure and the constraints the city faces due to the distribution of taxes. He stated that City Council was not interested in an additional tax on residents. He mentioned the city's low Pavement Management Index (PMI) and the opportunity to strategically invest in infrastructure using unassigned discretionary funds (01:13:57). He suggested creative ways to allocate resources, such as private placements. McGowan used a 'three-legged stool' analogy to describe a vibrant city infrastructure system (01:21:25), with each leg representing key components like infrastructure improvements, funding, and people to execute the work. She highlighted the funding secured by Katie Theo Garcia and the various construction and professional services contracts approved by the Council. McGowan also discussed the Fix-It application and its impact on reporting maintenance issues (01:31:48), as well as challenges related to trees and sidewalks. She addressed the need to replace aging equipment and the possibility of utilizing electric vehicles (01:42:32). She mentioned ongoing projects and studies related to sea level rise, climate action changes, and geologic hazards. Following the presentation, councilmembers engaged in a discussion, with questions about the cost-effectiveness of accelerating road repairs (01:47:07), equipment replacement (01:49:17), root barriers for trees (01:50:56), private placements (01:52:44), storm drain surveys (01:55:42), sidewalk surveys (01:57:34), and coordination with the Marin Water District (01:59:55). Kelman discussed risk management and the integration of climate risk into infrastructure projects (02:02:08). Hoffman inquired about the Bridgeway bike lane project (02:03:10) and the process for tree maintenance requests. Lesting emphasized the importance of addressing landslide risks and implementing ADA compliance measures.	No Motion	5 Total: 4 In Favor 1 Against 0 Neutral
02:38:24 Peter Van Meter was In Favor: Suggested prioritizing the reconstruction of parking lot number one using Tideland funds, advocating for a resurfacing that includes perhaps permeable surface and a complete landscaping plan (02:38:46). 02:39:55 Sandra Bushmaker was Against: Emphasized the need for a public hearing regarding the median removal project (02:40:13), arguing that PBAC discussion is insufficient. She also requested that the City make the report from the public safety officers concerning the project public (02:40:38), and supported traffic calming efforts along Bridgeway. 02:41:37 Babette McDougall was In Favor: Commended the mayor for running a concise meeting and expressed gratitude to the Director of Public Works for improvements in town (02:42:06). She cited Senate Bill 413 regarding parking near crosswalks (02:42:29), and supported Councilmember Kelman's idea of climate solutions to engineering problems. 02:43:46 Kieran Culligan was In Favor: Cited AB 413 regarding pedestrian safety (02:43:48), and supported the need for new approach of current built enviornment, and advocated for improved infrastructure for cycling (02:44:15), and supported the removal of lanes on Bridgeway. 02:45:27 Adrian Brinton was In Favor: Thanked city staff for their work and said that those who said the city should stop wasting money because they are focusing on the infrastructure are wrong, and emphasized the need for economic growth to fund infrastructure improvements (02:46:06). Adrian also recommended that Lot 1 be a priority as it has outdated equipment in place (02:47:07).
03:12:49	5.B: Adopt a Resolution Authorizing the City Manager to Execute a Professional Services Agreement with Kimber Companies for Property Management Services for an amount not to exceed $102,000 paid by MLK, Tidelands, Old City Hall, and Bank of America Funds	The council discussed adopting a resolution to authorize the City Manager to execute a professional services agreement with Kimber Companies for property management services for an amount not to exceed $102,000. Ian Sobieski noted he returned donations from Mr. and Mrs. Huff, co-owners of Kimber Companies, due to a conflict of interest (03:13:15). Council Member Lesting also disclosed receiving contributions and returning some (03:13:43). City Attorney Sergio clarified FPPC regulations regarding disclosures even after returning contributions (03:13:56). Chad Hess presented the details of the proposed agreement, highlighting that the city currently manages 37 active leases generating $2.4 million annually and the current approach is suboptimal (03:15:34). Three qualified responses were received for the RFP, with Kimber Management offering a flat fee of $8,500 per month (03:17:07). There was discussion regarding the services to be provided and whether the company would monitor business license taxes, to which Chad Hess said that would remain with the vendor HDL (03:19:08). Councilmember Hoffman inquired about a performance aspect to the Kimber contract (03:20:04). The possibility of adding lease negotiation to the scope of work was discussed (03:25:16). Councilmember Kelman expressed concerns about the lack of policy direction around how new leases should be handled (03:25:54). Councilmember Lesting inquired about the company's experience and expertise (03:27:16). There was a lot of discussion regarding the scope of work and whether it should be revisited. Councilmember Hoffman was uncomfortable with having the item on consent at the next meeting (03:48:16).	Authorize the city manager to execute a 30-day professional services agreement with Kimber Companies, within his authority, for property management services and return to the council no later than December 17 with a revised proposed professional services agreement embodying the scope of work and containing in the fee schedule provided by Kimber companies, and incorporate revised Exhibits A and B that comport with the discussions this evening (03:50:46).	7 Total: 4 In Favor 1 Against 2 Neutral
03:33:53 Peter Van Meter was In Favor: Expressed strong support for hiring Kimber Companies, citing their local presence, long history, and extensive experience in real estate management and leasing. 03:34:30 Sunshine was In Favor: Shared positive experiences with Bruce Huff's management, contrasting it with current poor management, emphasizing care for tenants. 03:35:43 Ron Albert was In Favor: Agreed with Peter Van Meter, advocating for hiring a professional management firm. 03:36:09 Lorna Newland was In Favor: Shared her experiences as a tenant at the MLK bus barn, stating there were many property managers, and expressed support for Kimber management, citing their local presence and experience. She stated that when you look at the price the city went with the lowest bid. 03:38:27 Fred was Against: Agreed that having professional management for the city assets to ensure the most amount of revenue, but with this particular contract, agreed with Janelle that the scope of work is woefully inadequate. Suggested the council postpone the agreement until a more defined scope of work is available, focusing on professional management. 03:40:15 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Expressed that she was not opposed to hiring Kimber Management, but she was concerned about the fact that there was no progress on the policy that was supposed to create benchmarks and criteria on how to move forward with handling the city's portfolio of real estate. Worried that they were setting Kimber Management up for failure. 03:42:17 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: She stated that the city needs a professional property manager. She shares concerns about the lack of policy with regard to city leases that were supposed to be in progress and that needs to get resolved. She also recalled that it was said that one half of the 37 leases are expired. She questioned if it would be up to Kimber or who ever the professional manager is to determine whether to continue the lease or if that is to be a council decision. The scope needs to be tightened up a little bit.
03:54:32	5.C: Receive a Presentation Regarding SCBC - Cass Gidley Boating Center and Consider Providing Direction to Staff	City Manager Chris Zapata presented the history and current status of the Sausalito Community Boating Center (SCBC), highlighting its alignment with Sausalito's maritime preservation goals. The SCBC is seeking a 10-year lease extension with two five-year options, exclusive use of the area, and a liveaboard provision. Zapata recommends a five-year lease with revenue generation for the city, and notes that the liveaboard provision is subject to BCDC approval. The council discussed concerns about the pace of progress, potential commercialization with water taxis, and the need for a concrete business plan. Several councilmembers expressed support for the SCBC's mission, especially youth sailing and community access to the waterfront. They also considered a shorter lease term to incentivize partnerships and revenue generation. Councilmember Kelman suggested a shorter lease to incentivize partnerships and explore opportunities like a partnership with Tam High's sailing program (04:17:48). She also mentioned electric water taxis as a potential option. Councilmember Hoffman agreed with a shorter runway to allow the council to manage the public property effectively (04:20:42). Councilmember Lesting suggested a one-year extension with a six-month review of benchmarks (04:23:15). A board member of the SCBC, Michael Dumont, addressed concerns about the lease term, stating that potential partners are hesitant to commit without a longer-term guarantee (04:24:10). Dumont mentioned conversations with Sausalito Yacht Club, Sausalito Youth Sailing Foundation, a Water Taxi service and the Outrigger Canoeing Club (04:24:37). Dumont mentioned a potential annual revenue of $15,000 per year for the first two years (04:27:51). The council agreed to consider a longer-term lease if the SCBC demonstrates quantifiable progress, such as securing partnerships (04:32:59). Councilmember Kelman recommended a minimum floor of $17,500 based on the finance director (04:35:40). Mayor Sobieski emphasized the importance of qualitative assessment, such as the vibrancy and community involvement generated by the SCBC (04:36:32).	Staff bring back to the council in January a new lease that comports with the direction given, which is an initial one-year term with established milestones and a check-in in six months to decide how best to proceed, a $15,000 minimum per year for the first year, and that the city consents to any sublease and that a liveaboard is okay provided they get BCDC approval (04:38:23)	6 Total: 4 In Favor 0 Against 2 Neutral
04:05:27 Peter Van Meter was In Favor: Shared a personal anecdote about learning to sail at Cass Gidley and emphasized the public mission of providing waterfront access. He highlighted the facility's ADA compliance and supported allowing motorized vessels in a limited capacity to generate revenue. 04:06:35 Alice Merrill was Neutral: Shared a personal connection to Cass Gidley and expressed support for the boating center concept. She raised concerns about charter boats but acknowledged the need for revenue. She suggested a trial period with a timeline to assess the impact on neighbors and the overall compatibility of the operation. 04:08:14 Babette McDougall was In Favor: Shared a story of her husband rediscovering his love for sailing by renting a boat at Cass's Marina. She supports the continuation of the boating center and highlighted the importance of shoreline access and the type of boats typically launched from Cass Marina, such as Dories and small wooden boats. 04:09:34 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: Expressed support for the Community Boating Center's mission but raised concerns about the lack of revenue to the city after 11 years and the potential for commercial drop-off and pick-up. She would like to see some safeguards to protect against commercial use, as well as some rental income coming to the city from the property. 04:10:52 Ron Albert was In Favor: Highlighted the significant upgrades to the facilities and urged the council to give the SCBC a chance to succeed. He downplayed concerns about motorized boats and supported the possibility of a liveaboard caretaker. 04:13:01 Kieran Culligan was In Favor: Expressed support for the proposal, noting the increased connection to the waterfront he gained from paddleboarding. He dismissed concerns about water taxis and supported the idea of allowing some motorized access.
04:40:22	6: COMMUNICATIONS	This agenda item is for public comment on items not on the agenda. The first commenter, Kieran Culligan, discussed AB 413, a bill passed a year ago regarding safe zones for crosswalks. He referenced a December 2023 report and a follow-up report that he wasn't sure had been received, and suggested the city communicate how these changes will be implemented, especially concerning parking (04:41:35). The City Attorney, Sergio, confirmed awareness of AB 413 and stated Kevin had given in depth presentations to the city council (04:42:01). Councilmember Hoffman inquired about the topic of AB 413 (04:42:34). The next commenter, Fred, thanked the council candidates and congratulated the re-elected and newly elected members (04:42:50). Babette McDougall congratulated the candidates as well and noted this was a generally good meeting and unusual campaign (04:43:28). She expressed concern over Ms. Blaustein feeling blindsided and emphasized respect for democratic institutions (04:43:56). Sandra Bushmaker raised concerns about the Finance Committee meetings, noting a meeting announced for November 12th did not occur and that the 24-hour notice for special meetings is insufficient (04:45:39). The City Manager, Chris Zapata, apologized for the mishap regarding the Finance Committee meeting and promised improved notice and regularity of meetings (04:46:38). It was suggested that residents could provide their contact information to the city clerk to receive finance committee agendas (04:47:08).	No Motion	4 Total: 0 In Favor 1 Against 3 Neutral
04:40:50 Kieran Culligan was Neutral: Discussed AB 413 and suggested the city communicate the changes, especially concerning parking, and the rationale behind them, focusing on safety. 04:42:50 Fred was Neutral: Thanked the council candidates and congratulated the re-elected and newly elected members, looking forward to the council's future work. 04:43:28 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Congratulated the candidates, noted the unusual campaign, and emphasized respect for democratic institutions and civil discourse, expressing concern over a councilmember feeling blindsided. 04:45:39 Sandra Bushmaker was Against: Raised concerns about the Finance Committee meetings, including a missed meeting and insufficient 24-hour notice for special meetings.
04:47:30	6: COMMUNICATIONS	Councilmember Woodside announced a meet and greet for the new executive director of Call of the Sea, Carla Thorson, at the Bay Model Visitor Center on Friday evening between 4 and 6 PM (04:47:40). He highlighted her extensive background in the nonprofit sector, sailing experience, and academic credentials.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
04:48:14	7: COUNCILMEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS	Councilmember Kelman suggested disbanding the sewer committee due to the complexity and scale of the consolidation effort, stating that it's too large for a subcommittee to handle effectively and ensure everyone is on the same page (04:48:27). Councilmember Hoffman agreed, stating that the issue is too big for a subcommittee and requires the full council's attention, including the new council member, to fully vet all aspects (04:49:13). Kelman stated that the former vice mayor's expertise on the issue was a loss (04:50:07).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
04:50:18	8A: City Manager Information for Council	City Manager Chris Zapata provided a report on two items. First, he discussed the Kimber Communications agreement for the Destination Sausalito website, clarifying that it began in 2019. He highlighted the website's traffic (100,000 hits per year) and its role as the city's digital footprint after ending the relationship with CDA. The annual contract cost is $20,000. He stated that it would be easy to end the agreement if the council deemed it unnecessary, but recommended maintaining a digital footprint. Second, he addressed the weather, noting Public Works' efforts in preparing for storms, including cleaning catch basins, clearing storm drains, sweeping streets, scheduling overtime, providing sandbags, and coordinating with the fire districts and the county's emergency operations center. He also mentioned a special edition of Currents to inform the public.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
04:52:28	8B: Future Agenda Items	The council discussed potential future agenda items. Topics mentioned include a December 3rd briefing on the Levine Act, performance reviews for the city manager and city attorney on December 3rd, a follow-up on AB 314 regarding crosswalks, and the possibility of a strategic planning session in January. Councilmember Lesting noted the Levine Act is changing on January 1st, so any discussion should account for those changes (04:52:50). Mayor Sobieski suggested adding a broader policy statement about proactively soliciting additional hotel rooms to influence infrastructure bills (04:53:47), and reviewing the permitting process to streamline and promote economic development (04:54:06). Staff suggested including these topics in the strategic planning session scheduled for January (04:54:23).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
04:54:46	8C: PUBLIC COMMENT on Items 8A-8B	This agenda item was for public comment on the City Manager's report (8A) and other items (8B). The City Clerk was asked if there were any public comments.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
04:54:56	9: ADJOURNMENT	Councilmember Sobieski closed public comment and adjourned the meeting, wishing everyone a happy Thanksgiving and expressing gratitude (04:54:57).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

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00:00:00.03	Unknown	Thank you.
00:00:00.20	Unknown	No, I'm just starting so we can get the live feed on the internet. Sorry. Sure. I didn't press start. No, press...
00:00:07.62	Unknown	All right.
00:00:11.19	Unknown	Thank you.
00:00:12.48	Unknown	Good evening, Council. Good evening, Mayor City Council members. The November 19, 2024 City Council meeting is being held at Council Chambers for 20 Litho Street. It's also being broadcast via Zoom on the city's website and cable TV channel 27.
00:00:30.71	Ian Sobieski	Nope.
00:00:31.03	Ian Sobieski	Thank you, Mr. City Clerk. Would you kindly call the roll?
00:00:34.47	Unknown	Councilmember Boston?
00:00:36.62	Unknown	Here.
00:00:37.58	Unknown	Councilmember Hoffman?
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00:00:39.97	Unknown	Council member coming.
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00:00:42.44	Unknown	Vice Mayor.
00:00:42.98	Ian Sobieski	Cox.
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00:00:43.48	Unknown	Thank you.
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00:00:44.08	Ian Sobieski	I am here. The following items will be discussed in closed session, a conference with legal counsel and initiation of litigation. The second item is conference with legal counsel, significant exposure to the litigation. The third is conference with real property negotiators, the real property at 558 Bridgeway. A fourth item is conference with real property, conference with property negotiator 750 Bridgeway. And the final one is conference with real property negotiators, Cascadley Marina Property. Is there any public comment on any of these public items?
00:01:19.29	Unknown	Any members of the public? There are no members of the public at the moment in the council chamber, but if anybody on Zoom would like to speak, please use the raise hand function. And seeing nobody use the raise hand function.
00:01:31.83	Ian Sobieski	Hey, we'll call you.
00:01:32.03	Sergio	I'll see you next time.
00:01:32.08	Ian Sobieski	close.
00:01:32.19	Sergio	Thank you.
00:01:32.22	Ian Sobieski	public comment?
00:01:32.72	Sergio	it.
00:01:32.84	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:01:34.08	Sergio	And Mayor, if there are any recusals with respect to it.
00:01:36.15	Council Member Lesting	perspective.
00:01:37.42	Council Member Lesting	Yes, thank you very much city attorney. I am going to recusing myself from conference with legal counsel potential for litigation 54956.9 due to a conflict of interest.
00:01:54.97	Ian Sobieski	All right. If nothing else, then we will adjourn to closed session and return at 7 p.m.
00:02:12.60	Ian Sobieski	Good evening we've returned from closed session there are no announcements from closed session we're going to reconvene to open session and begin with the recitation of the pledge of allegiance.
00:02:23.55	Unknown	Thank you.
00:02:25.46	Unknown	of the United States of America, and a future republic of which it stands and as one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
00:02:29.85	Unknown	nation.
00:02:35.80	Ian Sobieski	Thank you very much.
00:02:40.60	Ian Sobieski	Uh,
00:02:41.66	Ian Sobieski	We'll now move on to a special presentation, and this is in recognition of a...
00:02:47.62	Ian Sobieski	Cornerstone of our community that
00:02:51.25	Ian Sobieski	that we will all miss and we will
00:02:54.72	Ian Sobieski	All of us share a reading of a special proclamation and the title of the proclamation is a proclamation of the mayor of the city of Sausalito recognizing the dedicated service and contributions of Sean and Sonia Saylor for their.
00:03:08.15	Ian Sobieski	and their family to the Sausalito community.
00:03:10.97	Ian Sobieski	Councilmember Kelman.
00:03:12.25	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you, Mayor.
00:03:14.08	Councilmember Kelman	Welcome everybody, whereas the city of Sausalito is pleased to have the opportunity this evening to acknowledge the many ways in which Sean and Sonia sailor and their family have been involved with and participate in our community city civic organizations and special events.
00:03:27.04	Councilmember Kelman	And where Sean grew up spending time in Sausalito behind what was then Café Trieste and what was then Café Mede.
00:03:32.52	Councilmember Kelman	and where Sean got his start working in the restaurant business at age 15 as a dishwasher, then cook, then restaurant manager, before attending the California Culinary Academy at age 27.
00:03:46.38	Council Member Lesting	Whereas Sean and his wife, Sonia, opened Sailor's Landing on Harbor Drive in 1999. And whereas...
00:03:53.77	Council Member Lesting	Sean and Sonya moved their restaurant to its current location
00:03:57.12	Council Member Lesting	Sailor's Restaurant and Bar in 2008, where they have served the community for over 16 years. And whereas those patrons who have appreciated Sailor's eclectic restroom should know that it was conceived by Sonia. And whereas Sailor's was truly a family business with Sean and Sonia's daughter, Alyssa, who graduated from Redwood, go Giants, in 2018, also working at Sailor's as a hostess, waitress and bartender. And.
00:04:33.22	Councilmember Hoffman	To be clear, we only know about the women's restroom.
00:04:36.29	Councilmember Hoffman	At least that's true.
00:04:39.18	Councilmember Hoffman	Whereas the Sailors restaurant team was a family, many of them working with Sean and Sonia for over a decade. And whereas Sailors was all about entertaining and making people feel at home, with many of their customers also turning into friends and family. And whereas Sean never hesitated to open his upstairs Cabo Wabo room,
00:05:03.24	Councilmember Hoffman	created in collaboration with the great Sammy Hagar.
00:05:06.53	Councilmember Hoffman	to the public for all kinds of events, from Rotary meetings to campaign events to HOA meetings and every kind of meeting in between and?
00:05:16.82	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:05:16.84	Unknown	Whereas for decades, Sean and his incredible team have also been true pillars of support for the Sausalito Police Department and other Sausalito service organizations, including Sausalito Rotary, the Sausalito's Women's Club, the Sausalito Arts Festival, and the Sausalito Churches. From generously feeding the homeless during outreach events, to feeding the artists and workers at the Sausalito Arts Festival, to feeding Sausalito Police Department staff during critical incidents, and graciously hosting their holiday celebrations every year, Sean has been there always with a kind heart and a helping hand. And...
00:05:50.10	Unknown	Whereas Sean and his family's commitment to serving others embodies the spirit of Sausalito, and we are endlessly grateful for his friendship and humanitarian efforts. And...
00:06:00.21	Unknown	Whereas, in honor of his tireless service to our town, Sausalito is honored to invite Sean Saylor to serve as its Grand Marshal for its 2025 4th of July parade.
00:06:19.28	Ian Sobieski	Now therefore, and in witness thereof, I Ian Sobieski, Mayor of the City of Sausalito, have here unto set my hand upon this proclamation, recognizing and thanking Sean, Sonia, Alyssa, and their extended sailors family for their many, many hours of community involvement,
00:06:34.28	Ian Sobieski	And ask the citizens of Sausalito also offer their gratitude and thanks to them when they pass them on the street. I would invite Sean and Sonia to come on up with the city council. We're going to do a photograph. Tabitha Abbott asked us to do a photograph together for the currents. So maybe we could all.
00:06:50.06	Ian Sobieski	Stand in front of the dais here for this photograph. Please come on up for it.
00:07:27.96	Lorna Newland	Thank you.
00:07:30.68	Lorna Newland	Thank you.
00:07:34.04	Unknown	Thank you.
00:08:05.91	Lorna Newland	Thank you.
00:08:19.60	Ian Sobieski	Would you like to say anything?
00:08:21.24	Ian Sobieski	Sean, before you go? Sean, would you...
00:08:24.76	Ian Sobieski	He's speechless. He's reclaimed.
00:08:25.35	Unknown	He's reclipped.
00:08:26.45	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:08:26.74	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:08:26.79	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:08:26.89	Ian Sobieski	.
00:08:27.23	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:08:27.28	Ian Sobieski	I'm sorry.
00:08:27.90	Ian Sobieski	That's the best speech ever. Thank you very much.
00:08:31.71	Ian Sobieski	We'll now move on to the adoption of the action minutes from the previous meeting for October 29th. Is there any public comment on the action minutes from October 29th?
00:08:39.36	Unknown	We have a Babette McDougall.
00:08:50.62	Babette McDougall	Hello.
00:08:53.03	Babette McDougall	Hello.
00:08:53.69	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:08:55.05	Babette McDougall	Can you hear me all right?
00:08:56.39	Ian Sobieski	Ken, please go ahead.
00:08:57.52	Babette McDougall	All right. Thank you. All right. Well, first of all, I'd like to say that I'm sorry that Sonia and Sean are closing the doors to what has been a place that certainly kept me fed over the years. So I wish them all the best. But about the last minutes, I want to call attention once again to this
00:09:16.08	Babette McDougall	question raised at the last meeting regarding the Levine Act.
00:09:20.11	Babette McDougall	I don't understand why we keep ignoring this Levine Act. I don't really understand why we're doing that. Why do we have two items on today's agenda that both contravene the Levine Act? And there's not even a mention of it anywhere, not in a staff report, not in anything.
00:09:39.18	Babette McDougall	Nobody, not even in the proposal for work. I mean, all these things, I just don't get it.
00:09:45.48	Babette McDougall	Could you just kindly clarify why there is no serious attention given to the Levine Act? Thank you.
00:09:53.61	Unknown	Next speaker.
00:09:55.31	Unknown	uh
00:09:59.11	Unknown	We have Fred.
00:10:08.61	Unknown	Thank you.
00:10:08.63	Fred	Oh.
00:10:09.84	Fred	Bread?
00:10:12.75	Fred	I'm sorry, I did not mean to raise my hand at that point.
00:10:15.60	Unknown	Okay, thank you.
00:10:17.00	Unknown	No further speakers?
00:10:19.73	Ian Sobieski	We'll close public comment for the action minutes. Is there any motion?
00:10:22.75	Council Member Lesting	I move to approve of our action minutes from our previous agenda.
00:10:27.66	Ian Sobieski	All in favor, say aye.
00:10:28.83	Council Member Lesting	Bye. Bye.
00:10:29.64	Ian Sobieski	Opposed?
00:10:30.72	Ian Sobieski	minutes are adopted. We'll now move on to the consent calendar. These are items generally considered routine and non-controversial and can be approved with a one motion. However, any council member can ask to remove any item from
00:10:43.10	Ian Sobieski	the consent calendar the consent calendar items are 3a receive and file the library q1 report
00:10:48.65	Ian Sobieski	3B waiver of the second reading of the adoption of ordinance 724 and ordinance of the city council. Amending chapter 1047 marijuana regulations of the associated municipal code.
00:10:58.66	Ian Sobieski	3C adoption of a resolution accepting grant
00:11:02.19	Ian Sobieski	from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife in the amount of 170,000
00:11:06.07	Ian Sobieski	$439 and contributing 56,813 of in kind staff time and wages for this journey street dock improvement project and sign a grant agreement.
00:11:16.08	Ian Sobieski	3D receive and file a toast to Sausalito recap.
00:11:19.50	Ian Sobieski	3E, approval of updated job classification for police officer trainee.
00:11:24.48	Ian Sobieski	3F, adopt a resolution approving an encroachment agreement for the installation of an electronic driveway gate structure. Associated fencing and minor landscaping in the right of way at 122 San Carlos.
00:11:35.52	Ian Sobieski	3G review and file the treasurer's report.
00:11:37.81	Ian Sobieski	for all funds from the first quarter of 2425 ending September 30.
00:11:42.00	Ian Sobieski	3H, receive and file the fiscal year 2425 preliminary budget update and review of the budgeting process. 3I, adopt a resolution authorizing the same manager to execute the professional services agreement
00:11:52.88	Ian Sobieski	With CSWST2 to develop the plan specifications and estimate for the 2024 roadway resurfacing improvement project. In an amount not to exceed $27,936.
00:12:04.98	Ian Sobieski	3J adopted resolution approving the purchase.
00:12:07.50	Ian Sobieski	of a replacement police patrol vehicle in an amount not to exceed $83,087 funded from the COPS grant and 3K consider and approve
00:12:15.83	Ian Sobieski	The amended and restated lease agreement with the South State Center for the Arts at 750 Bridgeway. Does any council member want to remove an item? Yes, Councilmember Boston.
00:12:23.15	Council Member Lesting	I don't want to remove it, but I just want to take a moment to further acknowledge item three C, which is a significant grant that we received from the department of fish and wildlife of over $170,000. Thanks to the hard work of our sustainability and resiliency manager, Katie, though, Garcia, who is with us in partnership with director McGowan at the department of public works. I am very much in favor of this being on the consent calendar, but wanted to just give it an extra nod because it's a significant example again of the hard work that's being done by staff to bring in additional funds for our city.
00:12:54.80	Ian Sobieski	Anyone else?
00:12:55.52	Councilmember Hoffman	Yes, I'd like to remove 3K, which is consider and approve amended and restated or lease agreement for Sassos Center for the Arts.
00:13:03.94	Ian Sobieski	Okay, we'll hear 3K as the first business item after the consent calendar.
00:13:06.30	Councilmember Hoffman	I forget.
00:13:06.59	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
00:13:08.50	Councilmember Kelman	There.
00:13:08.74	Ian Sobieski	I'm not sure.
00:13:08.84	Ian Sobieski	Yes.
00:13:09.24	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah, I like to remove 3D.
00:13:10.96	Ian Sobieski	3D.
00:13:12.60	Ian Sobieski	which is the Toast of Sauce Leader recap.
00:13:15.10	Ian Sobieski	Okay, we'll remove that and we'll hear that at the end of the day, if that's right.
00:13:19.43	Ian Sobieski	Great.
00:13:21.00	Unknown	Mayor, may I just ask, is there a staff report? Do we need Brian Vitale here to present on Toast of Sausalito?
00:13:29.46	Unknown	Brian is online right now.
00:13:31.68	Unknown	And if so, do we want to hold that at the end? Yeah.
00:13:33.49	Ian Sobieski	Yeah.
00:13:33.91	Ian Sobieski	uh is that the it's how long do you think the inquiry might be we can hear it at the beginning and ask him and we can move it if we if we think it's i'm looking at you counselor and tell me like
00:13:47.70	Ian Sobieski	Okay, so you think so Brian can leave? Right. All right, we can hear that right after the SCA then.
00:13:52.81	Ian Sobieski	Great. So there will be a second business item.
00:13:55.55	Ian Sobieski	All right, so a motion or first we're going to take public comment on the consent calendar items excluding 3D and 3K so excluding the toast of sauce leader recap and the art Center release so is there a motion, I mean public comment on the other consent calendar items.
00:14:10.82	Unknown	Yes, Jeffrey Chase.
00:14:15.90	Mr. Chase	Hello, Mr. Mayor City Council.
00:14:18.85	Mr. Chase	Mr. and Miss America and all the anchor outs still at sea.
00:14:23.44	Mr. Chase	15 of us are still
00:14:26.66	Mr. Chase	Waiting for a storm supposed to come in this afternoon.
00:14:30.71	Mr. Chase	But I like
00:14:31.64	Mr. Chase	Sometimes to procrastinate
00:14:36.11	Mr. Chase	I'm going to try and not do that too much here and speak right to the point.
00:14:41.12	Mr. Chase	We'll speak on two items, three
00:14:46.21	Mr. Chase	Jay is asking for 127,000 and some dollars for the planning of paving a road.
00:14:56.74	Mr. Chase	It would be nice if it wasn't black pavement,
00:15:00.02	Mr. Chase	something that didn't raise the temperature of the surrounding area,
00:15:05.07	Mr. Chase	By one or two degrees.
00:15:08.08	Mr. Chase	There's a good plan and it's for free.
00:15:11.48	Mr. Chase	Right now, I'll speak to 3G, which is
00:15:14.72	Mr. Chase	Specifically, community development as one of the budget items in Sausalito.
00:15:22.52	Mr. Chase	a proud and longstanding member of this community,
00:15:27.21	Mr. Chase	A person that's
00:15:29.12	Mr. Chase	was formerly on the library board here.
00:15:33.39	Mr. Chase	that brings food to elders.
00:15:35.90	Mr. Chase	is now subject to an eviction
00:15:38.82	Mr. Chase	right across the street.
00:15:41.10	Mr. Chase	She came here and
00:15:42.96	Mr. Chase	When she chooses to talk,
00:15:45.12	Mr. Chase	She will.
00:15:47.27	Mr. Chase	Thank God she's her own person.
00:15:50.21	Mr. Chase	The Torah portion for this week
00:15:53.30	Mr. Chase	that it is, I feel, a Brown Act violation to have taken away
00:15:57.82	Mr. Chase	public comment before.
00:16:00.18	Mr. Chase	the meeting.
00:16:02.46	Mr. Chase	This is the only
00:16:03.97	Mr. Chase	jurisdiction in all of Marin that does that.
00:16:07.68	Mr. Chase	So for instance, she does not want to wait until 1030.
00:16:11.49	Mr. Chase	Her name is Sunshine.
00:16:13.36	Mr. Chase	And she'll be talking when she wants to.
00:16:16.94	Mr. Chase	Thank you very much.
00:16:18.16	Unknown	Thank you.
00:16:20.94	Unknown	Anybody in house? All right. Online, we do have Karen Culligan.
00:16:29.23	Kieran Culligan	Hi there. Good evening. On 3G and 3H, just wanted to say thank you to our finance department in particular for the transparency
00:16:36.62	Kieran Culligan	and diligence on the treasurer's report and the budget update items. I was really interested to see some of the refinements around property taxes and other things that
00:16:45.66	Kieran Culligan	could put us in a better place or at least have a better handle on the finances. So very much looking forward to our budget update and wanting to see things on track, but looking good there, I appreciate it.
00:16:54.32	Kieran Culligan	And also on three I for the repaving.
00:16:57.07	Kieran Culligan	So one, just a snapshot in time. So in May 2021,
00:17:00.65	Kieran Culligan	You approved a CIP that had $660,000 for street repaving and repair.
00:17:06.47	Kieran Culligan	We are now north of $2.1 million. So talk about a transformation in terms of putting more money towards infrastructure. That is great because we desperately need it. I totally agree with
00:17:17.54	Kieran Culligan	Mr. Chase on things like not having everything be black pavement or can we include
00:17:22.91	Kieran Culligan	recycled materials, like let's do a little bit better. Can we have less pavement?
00:17:26.70	Kieran Culligan	of not needing streets that in many cases are too wide and just encourage unsafe speeds. The other thing is I would love to see PBAC and Parisi, our transportation engineer, consulted on any of the repaving that isn't, I'll call it a back road, because in a lot of cases, even just the striping that goes on the road,
00:17:45.33	Kieran Culligan	can increase safety, particularly for our vulnerable road users, pedestrians, people on bicycles, scooters, et cetera.
00:17:52.30	Kieran Culligan	And that's pretty much free. It just comes along with the project, but it's not just about doing exactly what we had before. So hopefully those get taken into consideration. Thanks.
00:18:03.78	Unknown	Next speaker is Sarah Schrader.
00:18:09.92	Sarah Schrader	Hello, my name is, hello, Honorable City Council members, staff, and members of the public.
00:18:15.76	Sarah Schrader	My commentary tonight is regarding item 3B on tonight's agenda.
00:18:20.79	Sarah Schrader	My name is Sarah Schrader and I am a medical cannabis patient.
00:18:24.38	Sarah Schrader	I use cannabis for the relief of a number of my medical conditions that I do not wish to get into tonight. But the important thing is that cannabis is medicine to me as well as many other Californians.
00:18:37.24	Sarah Schrader	I spend a significant amount of time in Sausalito, but technically I do not reside within city limits. Therefore, the proposed amendments to the municipal code would make it clear that a licensed dispensary can deliver medical cannabis to me when I am in Sausalito.
00:18:53.10	Sarah Schrader	These changes catalyzed by the lawsuit now pending before the Marin County Superior Court, in which I am the petitioner and the city of Sausalito is the respondent, would bring the Sausalito Municipal Code closer in line with the Medical Cannabis Patients' Rights Access Act.
00:19:13.10	Sarah Schrader	This act
00:19:14.26	Sarah Schrader	which was recently adopted by state legislature and affected
00:19:17.83	Sarah Schrader	earlier this year,
00:19:19.58	Sarah Schrader	prohibits a local jurisdiction
00:19:21.71	Sarah Schrader	from adopting or enforcing any regulation that prohibits the retail sale by delivery within the local jurisdiction of medical cannabis to medicinal cannabis patients, their primary caregivers, by medical cannabis businesses,
00:19:37.99	Sarah Schrader	And as defined, or that the effect of prohibiting the retail sale by delivery within the local jurisdiction of medical cannabis to medicinal cannabis patients,
00:19:50.43	Sarah Schrader	their primary caregivers,
00:19:52.38	Sarah Schrader	in a timely and readily accessible manner.
00:19:55.56	Sarah Schrader	and in types and quantities that are sufficient to meet the demand of medical cannabis patients within their local jurisdiction.
00:20:02.86	Sarah Schrader	As such, I support the amendment
00:20:05.66	Sarah Schrader	and other efforts to make medical cannabis more easily available to patients and caregivers in salsa ladies.
00:20:15.55	Unknown	Next speaker online, Lauren Mendelsohn.
00:20:23.70	Lauren Mendelsohn	Good evening, honorable city council members, staff and members of the public.
00:20:28.43	Lauren Mendelsohn	This comment is also regarding item 3B,
00:20:32.06	Lauren Mendelsohn	on the agenda, which is the second reading of the marijuana regulations ordinance. My name is Lauren Mendelsohn. I am an attorney. I'm a junior partner at the law offices of Omar Figueroa.
00:20:46.35	Lauren Mendelsohn	I also am representing Ms. Schrader, who you just heard from.
00:20:51.04	Lauren Mendelsohn	And I want to acknowledge and thank the city for taking time to make this amendment. It's a small amendment. I do think as Ms. Trader noted, it will bring the municipal code closer in line with the Medicinal Cannabis Patients Right of Access Act by removing a restriction that made the county code
00:21:16.96	Lauren Mendelsohn	language only applicable to residents. So I do think it's important that we move forward with this change. I also want you to be aware that you can go further than this tonight. You could decide to actually allow and regulate cannabis businesses within city limits, even if it's just a delivery business. I believe that would bring the municipal code even closer to compliance with this new state law, actually having a facility operating within city limits that delivery originates from. But at minimum, you know, I do think it's very important that you move forward with this amendment, so that patients and caregivers such as Ms. Schrader and others can more easily access medicinal cannabis within Sausalito. Thank you very much for your time and attention to this important issue.
00:22:09.33	Unknown	No further public comment.
00:22:12.75	Ian Sobieski	Okay, we'll close public comment. Is there a motion for the consent calendar?
00:22:19.11	Council Member Lesting	I move to approve the consent calendar, excluding items 3D and 3K. Yes. Second.
00:22:26.17	Ian Sobieski	All right, all in favor, say aye.
00:22:26.20	Council Member Lesting	All right.
00:22:27.80	Council Member Lesting	Thank you.
00:22:27.84	Ian Sobieski	Hi.
00:22:27.89	Council Member Lesting	Bye.
00:22:29.61	Ian Sobieski	All right. The motion carries unanimously.
00:22:32.49	Ian Sobieski	I'll now move on to
00:22:33.93	Ian Sobieski	the public hearings of which there are none in the first business item, which will be
00:22:37.76	Ian Sobieski	taken off the consent calendar consideration.
00:22:40.43	Ian Sobieski	of the amended and we stated at least for the Sausalito Center for the Arts Council member Kaufman you pulled this off consent would you like to start
00:22:48.29	Councilmember Hoffman	Yes, thank you so much. So one of the questions that was asked, I think, which came up at our last meeting that's not in the staff report, is about the Levine Act. And it was mentioned at the last city council meeting when this was on the calendar. And so I think it would be helpful for our city attorney just to briefly tell us what that is.
00:23:08.57	Sergio	So the Levine Act is an update of basically pay-to-play regulations, and it applies those regulations to city council members for the first time beginning in 2024. So if you've received a campaign contribution of in excess of $250 in the preceding 12 months, then you basically have to disclose that you've received that.
00:23:32.52	Sergio	and then you have to recuse from voting on any item
00:23:36.18	Sergio	um
00:23:36.99	Sergio	that concerns a
00:23:39.29	Sergio	Uh,
00:23:39.94	Sergio	you know,
00:23:40.72	Sergio	somebody who has given you a
00:23:42.34	Sergio	campaign contribution unless you timely return it
00:23:46.02	Sergio	which is within 30 days of being notified of that proceeding coming before the Council.
00:23:53.36	Sergio	So that is the basic rule of the Levine Act as it applies to the city council members.
00:23:58.96	Councilmember Hoffman	And so for this item, do we have any disclosures that need to be made?
00:24:04.19	Sergio	I'm not aware of any, but if council members have any that they need to disclose, that now would be the appropriate time.
00:24:13.37	Sergio	And additionally, if you've actually returned the timely return the contributions, you're not required in the Levy Act to disclose that you have received them so.
00:24:25.46	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, thank you. So my next, so no one's making disclosure, so we'll move on. So with regard to the center for the arts, the one, the, we have a staff report. And so since I pulled it off, I was wondering perhaps the city manager would like to give us a quick summary of the staff report.
00:24:47.77	Councilmember Hoffman	And then specifically related to the infrastructure, the capital improvement issues that we discussed. So in the,
00:25:00.74	Councilmember Hoffman	what we know about, well, or don't know about what the capital improvements and the changes with regard to that, with regard to the lease. And that's what I want to discuss.
00:25:10.55	Chris Zapata	Thank you for the question, Councilmember Hoffman. As you recall, the City of Sausalito had a contest to figure out who would operate the former Bank of America building the city into a lease agreement with the Sausalito Center for the Arts. About nine months ago, the Sausalito Center for the Arts agreement came due with an increase in the payment after 18 months, which would have increased the payment from 4,000000 approximately to $11,000. And at that time, the city council took action to give a respite of six months for the $4,000 a month price to stand in effect. City council then at the end of the sixth month heard a recommendation from the city manager which said, you know, $11,000 may be a little too steep. $4,000 is not enough. So the recommendation ought to be that there be an $8,000 monthly fee for the rental and lease of that building in a new agreement or amended agreement. At that time, the city council directed city staff to do three things. One, lower the rent to $6,000 a month. Two, add two additional board members to bring the total to three that were representative of the city of Sausalito. And three, to take away the triple net obligation to SCA and have the city of Sausalito be responsible for major capital improvements in the building so that was a direction it was given at that meeting city staff has been working with SCA and its team to incorporate those into a new agreement which is in front of you tonight the thing about what these agreements might cost when we start looking at what and improving the building would be on and
00:26:56.64	Chris Zapata	The city's part, you know, there have been concerns about the restrooms, there have been concerns about the electrical panel, there have been concerns about the doors. And so the city of Sausalito is right now engaged in analysis of our facilities and buildings with the company that we contracted with called Bureau Veritas. Once they give us some of the costs that are related to the B of A building, we will be able to bring those to the city council as part of our budget and capital improvement progress and process in the coming year. At that time, we would try to determine what the scope of that work might be, what the cost of that work would be and make sure that, you know, we bring that forward to the council in a timely way. So there can be implementation of these improvements as directed by the city council.
00:27:41.38	Councilmember Hoffman	And the facilities assessment citywide, including the Center for the Arts, we expect that to be done in January?
00:27:48.55	Chris Zapata	That's correct, Councilmember.
00:27:50.18	Councilmember Hoffman	And will that report be provided with the breakdown of building by building what needs capital improvements?
00:27:55.70	Chris Zapata	That's what we anticipate.
00:27:58.13	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, thank you. And so at this point, we don't know what the capital improvement costs will be that we are, the city is now assuming from the Center for the Arts.
00:28:06.08	Chris Zapata	We don't know what the capital improvements are because we don't know what the projects will be. And so part of that assessment will be you need to do X, Y, Z to keep the building in good stead for your tenant in terms of what the actual work might be. We don't know the scope of the work that might involve the restrooms or doors or any other thing related to the building until we bring forward the analysis. And then if in fact one path seems a little bit too pricey, we could look at alternatives to it that would be part of that exercise as well.
00:28:39.12	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, thank you. I don't have any further questions.
00:28:42.46	Ian Sobieski	Anything else?
00:28:42.85	Chris Zapata	else.
00:28:42.97	Ian Sobieski	Peace.
00:28:44.52	Ian Sobieski	Go ahead, Vice Mayor.
00:28:46.19	Unknown	This is for the city attorney with respect to the Levine Act.
00:28:50.24	Unknown	Is this something that we need to put as an agenda item in front of every item that we decide about or what is our obligation as a city to remind our
00:29:02.66	Unknown	City Council members to report any Levine Act, any contributions that may be subject to the Levine Act.
00:29:11.66	Sergio	So...
00:29:12.43	Sergio	Um...
00:29:13.88	Sergio	As a city, the city doesn't really have a specific obligation in the Levine Act. It's rather a matter of best practice, and the duty to comply with the Levine Act is the individual duty of each council member. So it is up to you to review your own contributions that you have received. Typically, you have to report those to the FPVC on standardized forms. So when you become aware of that,
00:29:41.36	Sergio	a contribution that you've received and that there is a pending license permit or other entitlement for use that is going to come before the council. So every time you get an agenda, you should be reviewing it and thinking about the issue of have I received more than $250 in aggregate contributions from anybody involved in this decision. So if you become aware of that, then you do have to disclose on the record that you have it. You have to decide whether or not you're going to give the money back.
00:30:11.04	Sergio	or abstain from participating in the decision.
00:30:13.42	Unknown	And it's $250 contribution within what time frame prior to making a decision? The last 12 months.
00:30:20.76	Unknown	And so it is not incumbent upon
00:30:26.55	Unknown	Um,
00:30:27.17	Unknown	the city to include any Levine Act reporting in any agenda item. It's really incumbent upon each council member to proactively consider and address those items.
00:30:40.87	Sergio	Yes, and I'm not aware of any city where there are city staff dedicated to reviewing, say, FPPC filing forms and seeing which council member may have received contributions.
00:30:51.99	Unknown	Thank you.
00:30:55.44	Unknown	See you.
00:30:55.72	Councilmember Hoffman	City Attorney, isn't it also a requirement though that the entity making the bid for whatever contract, they are required to disclose contributions to Council Members within the stated period? So disclosure, so for instance, perhaps under this analysis SCA would in their request for an extension or
00:31:21.83	Councilmember Hoffman	at some point would have to say we have received contributions from, or I'm sorry, we have made contributions in X amount to,
00:31:28.92	Councilmember Hoffman	ex-council members to provide that notice as well as and then and that's my first question
00:31:36.29	Councilmember Hoffman	And I can follow up with that.
00:31:36.33	Sergio	So first question, I'm not aware of that being a requirement in, say, state law or FBPC regulation. As a matter of best practice, that is something the city could do.
00:31:48.31	Sergio	request for all vendors moving forward, but it's not required as a matter of law.
00:31:54.65	Councilmember Hoffman	My understanding is it is required.
00:31:57.74	Councilmember Hoffman	And that's the notice, and that's not the notice period. When you submit that, when an engineer would submit that,
00:32:03.87	Councilmember Hoffman	that they have made contributions to certain council members in certain amounts. And that's the notice under which the council members would then proceed. And so you and I may need to follow up on that.
00:32:17.03	Councilmember Hoffman	But my reading of the Levine Act indicated that that was a requirement of the entity that was making the request of the city.
00:32:24.22	Councilmember Hoffman	to use city funds and therefore identify the potential conflict. And the second part of my question is, we talked about contributions up to a vote 12 months prior.
00:32:37.04	Councilmember Hoffman	But there are also prohibitions moving forward.
00:32:40.60	Councilmember Hoffman	you receive a contribution, you also have the same requirements
00:32:44.25	Councilmember Hoffman	I
00:32:44.79	Councilmember Hoffman	in a certain period following the vote or following the
00:32:49.87	Councilmember Hoffman	contribution.
00:32:52.11	Sergio	Yeah, so there are separate requirements that you basically nobody who has come before the city and participated in one of these proceedings, they can't contribute to a decision maker for 12 months following. So that is a separate requirement after the decision.
00:33:13.83	Sergio	So, yes.
00:33:14.89	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
00:33:15.25	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:33:16.60	Ian Sobieski	yes i would just elaborate on something that's uh you know this levin act is indeed essentially sets the campaign contribution limit at 250 dollars in sal salado we have a 500 contribution limit but
00:33:28.98	Ian Sobieski	From my understanding from Sergio's education about this a few months ago when this came out and correct me if I'm wrong, sir, it's that
00:33:38.28	Ian Sobieski	if you take a contribution from anyone in excess of $250 and they participate in any way in the matter, which could be as little as them providing public comment,
00:33:47.95	Ian Sobieski	then you would have to return the money. So if one of you, for instance, had donated to my campaign at $300, and you just made public comment that you are in favor of a stop sign at Smith Street, even though you don't live near Smith Street,
00:34:00.45	Ian Sobieski	that would be a Levine Act violation. So to avoid that, just as a matter of public information, I set a campaign contribution limit of $250.
00:34:08.49	Ian Sobieski	and so that was a safe harbor to try to avoid that. It, of course, could be problematic if
00:34:15.25	Ian Sobieski	two co owners of the same thing did that and so later on, there's going to be a matter where that's exactly what happened and I returned that contribution, which I'll repeat on later in the evening.
00:34:24.64	Ian Sobieski	Is anything wrong about that?
00:34:26.12	Sergio	No, so that is correct, basically.
00:34:29.55	Sergio	The $250 limit applies to anybody who's a party, so someone who files an application or is the subject of a decision, but also to anybody who's a participant. And the statute defines that as anybody who actively supports or opposes a particular decision involving a license permit or other entitlement for use. So, yes, it can be triggered potentially by people who come and speak at the podium as part of public comment.
00:34:54.52	Councilmember Hoffman	And does that also, that also applies to owners, but also board members or anybody else with a financial interest in the entity?
00:35:01.71	Sergio	Yes, that can be the case. The statute is actually being clarified in 2025 to
00:35:12.80	Sergio	exclude certain individuals whose only financial interest is, you know, change in membership dues.
00:35:20.80	Unknown	Hold on. Sorry, can you go back a sentence? I couldn't hear what you were saying.
00:35:25.24	Sergio	Yes, potentially it does cover officers and other people who have a financial interest in the decision of, say, a corporate entity. The statute is being amended next year, effective in January, to give some further clarity on exactly who's covered.
00:35:41.18	Councilmember Hoffman	And what about nonprofits?
00:35:43.16	Sergio	I THINK IT'S A GOOD
00:35:45.10	Sergio	a participant or a party to a decision can be a nonprofit. So yes.
00:35:51.85	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
00:35:52.13	Sergio	The statute does cover nonprofits. There's no specific exclusion.
00:35:52.27	Councilmember Hoffman	Right.
00:35:56.99	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:36:00.69	Council Member Lesting	But in the instance of a decision with an organization like the SCA, it would include board members, for example.
00:36:07.81	Sergio	Potentially, yes. I'm going to pull up the FPPC regulation on this just so I have it in front of me.
00:36:41.64	Unknown	Thank you.
00:37:04.88	Sergio	out.
00:37:07.60	Sergio	You guys can give me a couple minutes here, and perhaps we can move along to a different question in the interim.
00:37:15.58	Councilmember Hoffman	Those were my comments. Those were my questions.
00:37:24.02	Ian Sobieski	Okay, I guess we could take public comment on this item.
00:37:27.32	Unknown	Okay, we have Babette McDougall online.
00:37:36.20	Babette McDougall	I know it's silly to always start by saying, can you hear me?
00:37:40.30	Babette McDougall	Can you hear me all right?
00:37:43.66	Babette McDougall	Hello?
00:37:45.14	Babette McDougall	Yes, we hear you.
00:37:46.87	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
00:37:47.98	Babette McDougall	Appreciate that.
00:37:49.18	Babette McDougall	All right, so I'm just holding it in my little hand here, California Government Code Section 84308, the Levine Act. By the way, thank you so much for taking on what I would call a vigorous discussion of this particular issue.
00:38:01.94	Babette McDougall	I think it's important, so thank you for bringing it in.
00:38:04.94	Babette McDougall	to the discussion world. And I'm sorry I'm not there in person,
00:38:08.11	Babette McDougall	Because Sergio was there. I'm really sorry not to be present when our city attorney is present.
00:38:13.16	Babette McDougall	But I'm glad to see you guys on Zoom.
00:38:15.20	Babette McDougall	So it says here, any involving a license, involving any proceeding that leads to licensing, permits, other entitlements, including, oh, contracts.
00:38:25.78	Babette McDougall	And in a contribution more than $250,
00:38:29.32	Babette McDougall	that the party or their agents has donated. So, I mean, there you have it.
00:38:34.24	Babette McDougall	It has to be included.
00:38:36.12	Babette McDougall	by this very document,
00:38:39.06	Babette McDougall	in all contracts that are being offered to bid on.
00:38:42.94	Babette McDougall	Just being a lowest bidder is not necessarily...
00:38:45.81	Babette McDougall	The grand prize here, especially if you fail to mention that you support certain political
00:38:51.84	Babette McDougall	initiatives or people.
00:38:53.78	Babette McDougall	And, you know, it's the way the game is played. And I would just like to see a more fair, even-handed approach to the law and the institutions that govern us of a civil society. That's all.
00:39:06.01	Babette McDougall	Thank you so much.
00:39:07.16	Babette McDougall	Hey, can I just ask a question? Is it my imagination or you're actually not using the timer tonight?
00:39:15.39	Unknown	We're using the timer.
00:39:17.00	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
00:39:17.01	Unknown	It's here live in the chambers, Babette. I don't know why it's not showing up online this evening. Okay, thanks for letting me know.
00:39:24.08	Babette McDougall	All right. Thanks very much.
00:39:28.52	Unknown	No further public comment.
00:39:31.83	Ian Sobieski	All right, we'll close public comment. Is there any, oh, I guess we have someone from the room here.
00:39:40.67	Ron Albert	It hasn't been stated directly, but it seems to be suggested that the Sausalito Center for the Arts may have made contributions to candidates. And I believe I gave very clear direction to the board that that was not to happen. And it's my understanding. Sausalito Center for the Arts donated zero to the candidates. Several candidates wanted or made use of the facility. It was offered to all the candidates in the most recent council election and they were all charged. I believe the rate was about $400 an hour and the candidates that used the facility paid the Sausalito Center of the Arts for the privilege.
00:40:28.06	Ron Albert	If you have any questions for me, I'll stay here at the podium, but I wanted to address what seemed to be hinted at indirectly.
00:40:38.70	Ian Sobieski	Go ahead, Council Member Lesting.
00:40:40.12	Council Member Lesting	Well, I'm just trying to understand if it's an aggregate of any contributions from anyone who has any affiliation with the Center for the Arts.
00:40:48.43	Council Member Lesting	because a lot of Sausalito residents contributed to my campaign. And if I need to recuse myself, I will. I don't want to be in violation of the Levine Act. And if it's in aggregate,
00:40:57.40	Council Member Lesting	of everyone who's ever supported this.
00:41:00.25	Council Member Lesting	I just want to...
00:41:01.00	Council Member Lesting	make sure that I'm being ethically sound. I'm absolutely not hiding anything. I'm very proud that I received contributions from a number of Sausalito residents who are engaged in the community. None of them are in excess with, in this instance, of $250 in individual contributions, but if it's aggregate, then that's something we need. If it's an aggregate of anyone ever involved, then I would need to know.
00:41:22.04	Unknown	No, it's the agency or a agent.
00:41:26.70	Sergio	Yeah, and additionally, so there's three kind of buckets where disclosure and abstention requirements can be triggered. It's if you receive a contribution from a party, which is defined by statute as any person who files an application for or is the subject of a proceeding involving a license permit or entitlement of use. So that would be the.
00:41:50.29	Sergio	in the case of a corporate entity, the corporate entity.
00:41:52.95	Sergio	Um...
00:41:54.61	Sergio	if you have received a contribution from a participant.
00:41:57.59	Sergio	So that is somebody who
00:42:00.72	Sergio	actively supports or opposed to a particular decision, and who has a financial interest in the decision. So typically, a volunteer board member will not.
00:42:09.20	Sergio	I'm
00:42:11.08	Sergio	And
00:42:12.29	Sergio	The last one is an agent of the party or participant. But the FPPC has limited the interpretation of that because an agent has to represent that party or participant for compensation.
00:42:26.87	Sergio	and has to appear or communicate with the governmental agency for the purpose of influencing the decision. So unpaid volunteers are not considered agents for the purpose of the Levine Act.
00:42:35.21	Council Member Lesting	So the only people for the purpose of the Levine Act that this would qualify for would be, for example, Shiva Pachtel, the executive director who was employed by the Center for the Arts.
00:42:43.41	Sergio	My understanding is yes, that's correct. Okay.
00:42:44.78	Council Member Lesting	Okay.
00:42:45.07	Councilmember Hoffman	Great.
00:42:46.75	Councilmember Hoffman	And is it your understanding that board members for the Center for the Arts would not be included in that analysis?
00:42:51.70	Sergio	based on the guidance of the FPPC at present, I think the answer is no.
00:42:56.91	Ian Sobieski	Thank you, Mr. Albert. We'll close public comment.
00:43:00.44	Ian Sobieski	In the sooner
00:43:03.05	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah, I just...
00:43:04.96	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
00:43:05.35	Councilmember Kelman	I'm making a motion, and I just want to just state for the record that when this came back to us last time, as the city manager referenced, the suggestion from the city manager was to reduce the rent to $8,000. Majority of the council, in a 3-2 vote, decided to reduce it further to $6,000 and to obligate the city to take on capital improvements as the city manager shared. I'm not in favor of that. I wasn't at the time and I'm still not. And I'd just like to say for the record why. Two reasons. One is, as one of my colleagues mentioned, we are doing a facilities assessment. And I think any obligation around capital improvements as to any particular leasehold should be consistent across all leases held by the city. and there are assessment and I think this any obligation around capital improvements as to any particular leasehold should be consistent across all leases held by the city and therefore that judgment can't be made until we have that additional information
00:43:58.74	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
00:43:58.81	Councilmember Kelman	I also think that we want some objective standards around this, and we have other nonprofits and entities that come and ask for our support and our help, and I want to be able to give them the same diligence and support across the board. And so for those reasons, I don't think we've fully hammered those concerns out. I'm unable to support that tonight, although I do very much support the hard work and effort of the members of the SCA and continue to do a fantastic job contributing to the community. So I just wanted to articulate my reasoning behind that. Thank you.
00:44:33.10	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:44:33.13	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
00:44:33.20	Councilmember Hoffman	We'll be right back.
00:44:33.27	Councilmember Kelman	Um,
00:44:33.99	Ian Sobieski	Yes, Councilmember Hawkins.
00:44:35.29	Councilmember Hoffman	That's my reasoning. That's my exact reasoning as well. I think because we don't know what the facility's assessment is, we have no way to gauge what the city's increased expense will be with this building, certainly to bring it online. Let me also say that.
00:44:51.19	Councilmember Hoffman	I may, upon further research, agree with our city attorney. However, my read of SB 1439 looks like it requires disclosure. If you've received...
00:45:03.84	Councilmember Hoffman	contributions, it requires disclosure
00:45:06.68	Councilmember Hoffman	I've received these.
00:45:08.28	Councilmember Hoffman	However, and then you can provide the explanation, however, I have returned the funds and
00:45:13.92	Councilmember Hoffman	then you may vote on it but you have to disclose either way um and if you don't return the funds then you must recuse so i think the city attorney disagree on that we probably will
00:45:25.06	Councilmember Hoffman	look at that offline and come up with a consensus. But that's my read of SB 1439, the Levine Act.
00:45:36.14	Council Member Lesting	I just want to clarify, city attorney, that it's the opinion of our city attorney that the board members are not considered...
00:45:45.49	Council Member Lesting	agents of the Center for the Arts in this context, because I have received contribute to, in the interest of full disclosure, it's all available in my filing statements,
00:45:53.22	Council Member Lesting	None of it is in excess of $250 from a single member.
00:45:56.68	Council Member Lesting	But I am very proud to be supported by a diverse group of engaged individuals in the city of Sausalito, more than one of whom serves on the Center for the Arts board.
00:46:06.97	Sergio	Yeah, I mean, as far as I can tell, based on the guidance of the IPPC and their...
00:46:12.05	Sergio	In their regulations, as well as their recent publication on the Levine Act for officers in Section 84308, they are not.
00:46:24.32	Unknown	Thank you.
00:46:24.64	Ian Sobieski	ocean.
00:46:24.91	Unknown	I'm going to go ahead and move that we approve the amended and restated lease agreement with Sausalito Center for the Arts for 750 Bridgeway and authorize the city manager to execute. And I will reiterate the basis upon which I voted in favor of that action at our last meeting. The first is we purchased a building under market. So we got a deal on this building and we could sell it for a profit today if that were our choice. When we buy a building and rent it out, it's not typically our expectation that our
00:47:02.44	Unknown	Um,
00:47:03.45	Unknown	tenant,
00:47:04.55	Unknown	completely subsidize the cost of that building.
00:47:10.93	Unknown	the city first negotiated a lease with the Sausalito Center for the Arts, it offered that lease at $4,000 a month, with the thinking that it would also have a second rooftop tenant that would help to defray the expense to the city of that building. When negotiations with a potential rooftop tenant fell through, the city, after the Sausalito Center for the Arts had already been occupying the building for two months said oh no actually instead of $4,000 we're going to charge you $11,000 per month. A brand new startup non-profit with a community purpose. The Sausalito Center for the Arts had no choice and said yes but has come back to us since requesting rent relief. Although the city manager proposed a rent of $8,000, the Sausalito Center for the Arts in correspondence backed up with some detail, explained why they were in a position to pay $6,000 a month
00:48:12.05	Unknown	And that is the action that we took.
00:48:15.56	Unknown	As it has with other leases throughout the city, Sausalito is undertaking to perform capital improvements. The city is in the best position to evaluate, manage,
00:48:32.59	Unknown	undertake and perform capital improvements on its properties to ensure that they are performed timely and
00:48:43.29	Unknown	appropriately and not constrained by any single tenant's financial
00:48:50.07	Unknown	challenges. And so it is for those reasons that and the other thing that we demanded was that we collaborate more closely with the Sassalo Center for the Arts moving forward. And so for that reason, we will have three members, the city will have three members on their board. And so is for those reasons that I voted in favor of this revision to their lease and I'm moving approval tonight.
00:49:17.24	Ian Sobieski	I will second that motion.
00:49:19.32	Council Member Lesting	I'm just not comfortable with the ambiguity associated with the Levine Act, and I was not briefed on any of this prior to this meeting. So I just feel like because there might be enough.
00:49:27.77	Council Member Lesting	I feel like I need to accuse myself. I'm really sorry, but I wasn't informed and no one talked to me about it.
00:49:35.24	Unknown	Thank you.
00:49:36.11	Unknown	Thank you.
00:49:37.42	Unknown	Thank you.
00:49:39.53	Unknown	That just means there's no, there's.
00:49:41.64	Unknown	Thank you.
00:49:42.38	Council Member Lesting	Can we actually can we continue it? Because I'd like to just formalize and be sure before we make a vote on this item. I'd much prefer to continue it. Just I know. But I know that there's going to be.
00:49:47.46	Unknown	Okay.
00:49:48.00	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:49:48.05	Lauren Mendelsohn	Thank you.
00:49:51.48	Council Member Lesting	additional follow-up and I would like to be aware and have a legal opinion and just reach out to the FPPC myself to avoid complaints filed by others which I imagine would happen. So in order to be proactive I'm going to reach out to the FPPC myself, ask a question about this, get an informed opinion and then come back and hopefully be able to further reiterate how much I support the Center for the Arts which I think most people who have contributed to my campaign were aware of that as my stance prior to my run but I would like to be able to do that. So,
00:49:54.06	Lauren Mendelsohn	and have a legal.
00:49:55.26	Lauren Mendelsohn	Okay.
00:50:19.76	Unknown	So I'm going to rescind my motion.
00:50:21.68	Unknown	would you like it the first meeting in December or the second meeting in December?
00:50:25.99	Council Member Lesting	given the pace that the FPPC moves that it might have to be.
00:50:28.97	Unknown	So I'm going to revise my motion that I move that we continue this item to December 17, 2024.
00:50:37.45	Council Member Lesting	And going forward, it would be great if we could just have a discussion about how we want to convene and comply with the Levine Act and more, not on a specific agenda item, because I feel that the way that this was brought up and being polled was not the most collaborative discussion that we could have had as a council about this issue, and I'm a little bit disappointed in it.
00:50:56.47	Councilmember Hoffman	I would agree with that. I think I'm disappointing this too because we talked about the Levin Act two weeks ago with regard to the Huff agreement that's coming up next on the agenda. And we have had public comment on this and I had extensive conversations with our City Attorney on it.
00:51:17.19	Unknown	Yes.
00:51:20.19	Unknown	Thank you.
00:51:20.31	Councilmember Hoffman	I-
00:51:20.97	Unknown	second to my motion because until there's a second we aren't having further discussion under Robinson's rules.
00:51:22.25	Councilmember Hoffman	Until then.
00:51:26.60	Ian Sobieski	We're having a discussion on this matter of this Levine Act business. I'm looking at our suit.
00:51:30.91	Unknown	I made a motion. So is there a second or are we just going to?
00:51:35.26	Ian Sobieski	I,
00:51:35.90	Unknown	Is it going to die? You don't want to continue it?
00:51:38.06	Ian Sobieski	Could we come back to it? I would just like the courtesy of actually engaging with our city attorney here on this question. The VNAC.
00:51:43.12	Unknown	The Levine Act is not on our agenda tonight. I would agree. I think we need to agenda. I would like us to direct the city attorney to come back to us with a business item on the Levine Act.
00:51:44.95	Ian Sobieski	I would say.
00:51:45.42	Ian Sobieski	I think we just.
00:51:45.89	Councilmember Hoffman	you
00:51:46.14	Councilmember Hoffman	I'm sorry.
00:51:46.25	Ian Sobieski	Ask.
00:51:46.62	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah.
00:51:52.95	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, I agree with that. And I think we also might want to discuss, I also brought this up about a year ago, that I think we should decide how we want to address potential ethical issues. And I think a pre-ruling from the FPPC is probably the way that we should go and the most responsible way to go.
00:52:09.21	Councilmember Hoffman	I agree that it should come back. I agree that we should have agendized item about the living act, but also ethical issues that come up with it at the state council.
00:52:09.68	Council Member Lesting	Again,
00:52:11.24	Council Member Lesting	I agree.
00:52:16.13	Council Member Lesting	I love the idea of a pre-engaged ruling from the FBPC. Let's be as transparent as possible. I welcome that. I suggested that for this item, and that's why I asked for the continuance. So I look forward to hearing from them and hopefully voting on this issue.
00:52:24.01	Councilmember Hoffman	So at least.
00:52:26.61	Councilmember Hoffman	Well, that wasn't our discussion the last time it came up. And I was attacked for it.
00:52:29.34	Ian Sobieski	Yeah.
00:52:30.04	Council Member Lesting	is,
00:52:30.24	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
00:52:30.29	Council Member Lesting	.
00:52:30.37	Council Member Lesting	as well.
00:52:30.44	Councilmember Kelman	tax for it actually. And put this on, right?
00:52:30.97	Council Member Lesting	for it actually.
00:52:32.03	Unknown	Could you-
00:52:34.58	Ian Sobieski	Well, there is a motion. Someone's free to second it.
00:52:37.28	Councilmember Kelman	Good to see you.
00:52:37.68	Unknown	I'm to continue my motion is that we continue this to December 17 2024 is there a second
00:52:49.88	Ian Sobieski	What do I want to do? I mean, yeah, this is just the unethical use of ethics rules. I'm sorry. I have looked at this Levin Act business. I returned the checks last time to Mr. Huff and his wife because they're co-owners of the business. I just have the floor to speak for a moment.
00:52:51.30	Unknown	I mean,
00:53:01.90	Lauren Mendelsohn	because they're co-owners.
00:53:06.07	Ian Sobieski	And we researched this issue and I'm looking at Sergio carefully. What matters is whether the aggregate
00:53:13.36	Ian Sobieski	financially, the financial interest is spread across an aggregate group and whether that group provides $250 or more in donations. And so there's just no question here. And the little sneak attack here is unwarranted. And to my mind, an unethical use of the ethics rules. These volunteers here on city council
00:53:32.98	Ian Sobieski	work for basically nothing.
00:53:34.40	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:53:34.67	Ian Sobieski	uh no one believes that they're being influenced by these small donations and yet we're going to gum up the works of progress so i don't know where the i'm sure we will come back to this and it's not going to be resolved now unless the city attorney is going to step in and make a some sort of clarifying opinion are you going to do that mr city attorney or
00:53:52.51	Unknown	Thank you.
00:53:52.54	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:53:52.55	Unknown	Thank you.
00:53:52.61	Sergio	Thank you.
00:53:53.18	Sergio	Yeah.
00:53:53.89	Sergio	I mean, Government Code 84308C includes disclosure requirements for anyone who's received a contribution in the preceding 12 months. D indicates that there are no disqualification requirements as long as you return it within 30 days. So, I mean, if all involved candidates have...
00:54:14.04	Sergio	or, you know, all involved officers have returned the contributions, you know, and just stayed on the record that what they were.
00:54:21.61	Sergio	I don't think that there's any...
00:54:23.25	Sergio	Prohibition Levine Act
00:54:25.46	Sergio	That would prohibit.
00:54:26.95	Sergio	anybody from voting on it.
00:54:34.69	Ian Sobieski	But why would unpaid board members in the aggregate have any accumulated financial interest instead of them being separate $250 donors?
00:54:44.50	Sergio	Yeah, so I don't think that unpaid volunteer board members of a nonprofit who are not expressly named, they're not going to be the party who is the subject of the application for the license permit or other entitlement abuse.
00:55:00.76	Ian Sobieski	So that seems clear and definitive.
00:55:02.70	Sergio	Additionally, they're not going to be agents of that party because they are, again, not paid. Potentially, to the extent that those people have actively supported or opposed
00:55:14.18	Sergio	you know, the decision, then they could be a participant.
00:55:17.67	Ian Sobieski	They are participant, but if they participate, if they donated $250 or less, then they are allowed to be participants.
00:55:23.63	Sergio	That's correct.
00:55:24.74	Sergio	So.
00:55:25.13	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:55:25.25	Ian Sobieski	So this is a definitive opinion.
00:55:28.29	Ian Sobieski	that I think should prevent us from gumming up the works. That's why I returned the donations to Huff and his wife so that I could participate in the
00:55:36.07	Ian Sobieski	matter later today.
00:55:37.53	Ian Sobieski	And that's why I think that there's no issue here with anyone
00:55:41.23	Ian Sobieski	with you, Councilmember Blasthien, or myself, who also received
00:55:44.59	Ian Sobieski	individual donations from board members in participating in this matter.
00:55:48.66	Unknown	Respectfully, Mayor, I believe that it's up to each council member to make that determination for themselves. And so I respect Councilmember Blaustein's decision to more thoroughly investigate this, since this was not an issue, you know, the role of possible participants in...
00:56:11.34	Unknown	in persuading certain decision making. I think we have to allow each council member to conduct their own due diligence. It's unfortunate that we weren't aware of that before this evening.
00:56:28.99	Ian Sobieski	You could return the donations from the board members as the one quick path if you so chose to.
00:56:35.52	Unknown	I think also, but I really-
00:56:35.99	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:56:36.02	Unknown	But I really don't think we can allow an attachment to a specific item, bully our colleagues into acting in a particular way. I'm just discussing it to see. Okay. So I'm going to reiterate my motion that we continue this to December 17, 2024. Okay.
00:56:46.03	Ian Sobieski	the right.
00:56:46.10	Unknown	I'm not kidding.
00:56:56.49	Councilmember Kelman	I'm gonna second that. I commend your willingness and interest in resolving this for yourself, Councillor Blasby. And we'll agendize this at a later date. All in favor?
00:57:00.74	Unknown	and all in favor.
00:57:01.98	Councilmember Hoffman	Well,
00:57:04.10	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
00:57:04.12	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:57:04.24	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:57:05.03	Councilmember Hoffman	I DON'T THINK
00:57:05.28	Councilmember Kelman	I THINK SHE WAS GOING TO ROW.
00:57:05.40	Councilmember Hoffman	Before you have a vote, may I comment, please, based on the conversation we've had? This issue did come up prior to the original SCA vote back in September about campaign contributions, and I did discuss it with the city attorney. So if it wasn't conveyed,
00:57:07.49	Councilmember Kelman	based on the information.
00:57:23.00	Councilmember Hoffman	I don't know what to say about that. But I believe it was addressed. So anyway, and then it was asked in public comment.
00:57:34.56	Councilmember Hoffman	That's mine.
00:57:38.28	Councilmember Hoffman	Are you going to...
00:57:39.19	Ian Sobieski	Please go ahead if he wants to make a comment.
00:57:39.20	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:57:39.25	Council Member Lesting	Please go ahead.
00:57:43.12	Council Member Lesting	I just want to say we all work really hard up here. We're essentially volunteers and we're doing our best to contribute to the community in the most ethical way possible. And so I am doing what I believe is the right thing to find more information so that we can have a path forward that will allow us all to act in the best possible way. But I am really.
00:58:03.27	Council Member Lesting	disappointed in the way that this was facilitated and I'm really hopeful that going forward, we can all be collaborative in decisions like these and support one another, especially from the dais and especially when we're having a conversation like this, so I just wanted to say that and I appreciate that the willingness to. To suspend and for move the continue the motion.
00:58:25.22	Ian Sobieski	Thanks. All in favor.
00:58:26.49	Unknown	Is she going to vote on it or not? I want to. I guess not. Okay. So then not all in favor.
00:58:32.70	Ian Sobieski	All in favor of the motion to continue that the vice mayor made say aye. Aye. Opposed? The motion carries. We'll move on to item 3D.
00:58:42.16	Unknown	So it's 4-0 with one recusal.
00:58:42.18	Ian Sobieski	So it's four.
00:58:46.20	Unknown	Item 3D. And may I also make sure that we are directing staff
00:58:46.89	Ian Sobieski	3D.
00:58:51.09	Unknown	to bring this as a business item back to us
00:58:54.87	Unknown	on or before December 17, 2024.
00:59:00.42	Chris Zapata	Can I get some clarity on that, counsel? So bring it back as a business item for the lease amendment.
00:59:06.97	Unknown	No, an overview of the city's and the council's obligations under the Levine Act.
00:59:13.50	Chris Zapata	And once you figure that out, then that's when we would bring the lease back again, if that's the path.
00:59:18.58	Unknown	We moved to return the lease on a date certain, so I'm looking for that briefing on either December 3 or December 17.
00:59:26.97	Unknown	Thank you.
00:59:27.03	Chris Zapata	followed by the lease. That's the path the council chooses.
00:59:30.58	Sergio	We'll put it on for December 3rd.
00:59:33.70	Ian Sobieski	All right, well, here, item 3D, receive and follow a toast of sauce later recap.
00:59:39.30	Ian Sobieski	Councilmember Kelman, you pulled this off agenda. Is there you want to give a context?
00:59:42.98	Councilmember Kelman	Yes, first of all, I do love this event. Thank you, Brian, Vitaly, for being here. I really appreciate the second year of this fantastic event. I wanted to pull it because I just wanted to acknowledge that we have the opportunity to
00:59:56.11	Councilmember Kelman	I think to have a little bit more rigor on the financial analysis of this,
01:00:00.55	Councilmember Kelman	It actually, in the long run, would benefit the department. Brian is working so hard to build this department out as a revenue-generating department, and I want to make sure that we adequately highlight that and we put it forward in a way that I think is consistent with the other financials that Director Hess has provided to us. So that is my concern. I think it could have been done in perhaps a little bit more thorough fashion, and maybe Director Hess could play a role in that to help implement it moving forward. But just to have the opportunity to air that and see if members of the public or my colleagues felt the same way, but in no way to take away from the excellent work and the amazing event that this is.
01:00:44.03	Councilmember Kelman	Anything else?
01:00:44.07	Ian Sobieski	Anything else?
01:00:44.63	Councilmember Kelman	No, I support that.
01:00:45.74	Ian Sobieski	Okay. Yeah, I agree. Anything from Brian? Mr. Vitale?
01:00:46.97	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah, I agree.
01:00:50.99	Councilmember Kelman	I mean, Brian, thank you. I mean, I was there, you saw me.
01:00:55.43	Councilmember Kelman	multiple times. I think if you'd like to say anything about the event, you're welcome to, but this is not a criticism by any means. This is an opportunity, I think, for us to show what an amazing job you are doing in that department. And I think some more granular financials and some line items would help maintain that and help grow the program.
01:01:12.84	Rachel	Thank you very much.
01:01:12.99	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you very much, Rachel.
01:01:13.70	Rachel	Hello.
01:01:14.68	Rachel	I'm sorry I couldn't be there with you tonight, but thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Council Members. I appreciate your support for the event, and I know our entire team in the Parks and Rec Department does, along with our entire city staff that helped put this event on, along with the 70-plus volunteers that came out for the day, 140-plus vendors that were there for the day, and the months of planning that went into it. It feels, I had a lot of people come back and tell me this was a great nostalgic feel of the old Caledonia Street Fair days, along with bringing some new fun aspects into it. So the goal for our department is to always continue to do better year after year. We appreciate constructive criticism and we'll work to make sure that we're able to always put our best foot forward. And, you know, if this recap was something more robust that you would like in the future, I would have to be able to provide it and work with our team to be able to get that out to council in a timely manner.
01:01:15.49	Councilmember Kelman	I could have done it.
01:02:18.20	Rachel	But I appreciate all of your support. So thank you.
01:02:24.17	Ian Sobieski	be that
01:02:24.95	Ian Sobieski	Any public comment?
01:02:28.27	Unknown	See you then.
01:02:30.26	Ian Sobieski	All right, we'll close.
01:02:30.97	Unknown	public comment. Actually we just had two one person reasons. Babette McDougall.
01:02:31.06	Ian Sobieski	public comment.
01:02:41.60	Babette McDougall	Hello there.
01:02:43.41	Babette McDougall	So I gather we don't get any financial details about
01:02:47.63	Babette McDougall	Now the second event that Brian has done really quite a spectacular
01:02:51.76	Babette McDougall	job on this year.
01:02:53.38	Babette McDougall	And I really want to thank Councilmember Kelman
01:02:56.07	Babette McDougall	for pointing out
01:02:57.26	Babette McDougall	that,
01:02:58.24	Babette McDougall	being a bit more rigorous about how we do our financial reporting.
01:03:02.43	Babette McDougall	whether we can actually set some tenable goals. We have very valuable event properties, folks. Very valuable. And there are ways to evaluate events.
01:03:12.87	Babette McDougall	the actual dollar value of these properties. Believe it or not, these protocols exist.
01:03:19.15	Babette McDougall	And I think we're probably at that point where we should probably look seriously
01:03:24.43	Babette McDougall	at using our stage. If you say, Mr. Mayor, for example, well, I don't want to ask the residents to pay more in taxes, so let's be more inventive.
01:03:33.65	Babette McDougall	Well, I would say
01:03:35.30	Babette McDougall	staging disruptive events in our town is not such a bad way of
01:03:40.01	Babette McDougall	earning more income for the community.
01:03:42.57	Babette McDougall	And that's why I'd like to see this more professionalized, especially if we're going to start getting involved in sponsored categories, because that's where the money is. Thank you.
01:03:53.15	Unknown	We have Lorna Newlin.
01:03:59.48	Lorna Newland	Yes, hello. I'm Lorna Newland, 30-year resident, 22-year full-time artist in Sausalito, even though I've been an artist my whole life.
01:04:09.24	Lorna Newland	I participated at the Toast of Sausalito, and I had participated many years before at Caldini Street Fair, and I just really want to commend...
01:04:19.60	Lorna Newland	Brian Vitale and the whole park and rec department for a very well done event. I didn't do it last year, I checked it out.
01:04:29.42	Lorna Newland	And my only issue was I had a band across from my booth, but it was very loud and very robust.
01:04:37.16	Lorna Newland	The whole thing was
01:04:39.76	Lorna Newland	a wonderful showing of what we do in Sausalito, but I,
01:04:45.01	Lorna Newland	I'm hearing people talk about
01:04:50.51	Lorna Newland	Park and Rec being a revenue generating
01:04:54.56	Lorna Newland	department.
01:04:55.98	Lorna Newland	And I've always felt that personally that
01:05:00.26	Lorna Newland	They bring joy and activity to our citizens and not just our own citizens. It's all of Marin County. You look at Jazz by the Bay. We're putting on something that people from outside our city who aren't paying property tax
01:05:16.77	Lorna Newland	or other things, they might be paying parking, come to Jazz by the Bay. They come down for 4th of July. So if it can, it looked like it was neutral on that. And I'd be happy to talk to Bray about
01:05:33.31	Lorna Newland	you know, all of this. I read the recap, didn't know this was coming up and it came off consent calendar, but I applaud...
01:05:42.32	Lorna Newland	them doing this and bringing more activities into our town. And I think there are other ways that we can generate revenue versus charging vendor, you know, to only charge more, you'd be charging the participants to participate more or the vet, the few vendors there more versus the,
01:05:53.84	Unknown	you know,
01:06:04.32	Unknown	And we have Alice Merrill.
01:06:10.41	Alice Merrill	Hi.
01:06:11.22	Alice Merrill	I just want to say that, to thank Brian specifically for being, listening to his public, because last year, evidently, there was a band right outside the window of where I live. I wasn't there, so I didn't hear it, but my neighbors were, oh, they were crazy.
01:06:33.97	Alice Merrill	over it.
01:06:34.90	Alice Merrill	and he moved it to a different street, so he's sharing the wealth of the noise.
01:06:39.78	Alice Merrill	And
01:06:41.43	Alice Merrill	He really listened, and he might bring it back next time.
01:06:44.57	Alice Merrill	But I really appreciate that he is so fair and open hearted about the residents. Thank you.
01:06:53.95	Unknown	No further public speakers.
01:06:55.45	Ian Sobieski	All right, we'll close public comment. No action needs to be taken on that except the report. So on favor of a move, we accept the report. Is there a second?
01:07:06.34	Council Member Lesting	second.
01:07:06.89	Ian Sobieski	All in favor. Say aye.
01:07:08.14	Unknown	Thank you.
01:07:08.16	Council Member Lesting	Aye.
01:07:08.47	Unknown	Thank you.
01:07:09.34	Ian Sobieski	All right. Motion carries unanimously. We will now move on to our next business item, which is receive an update regarding the Solstitor Infrastructure and Public Works Department operations and programs and provide direction to staff. Director McGowan.
01:07:22.27	Chris Zapata	Mayor, if I can provide some introductory comments. Yes, Mr. City Manager. Walford is putting up the slides, which I am going to be the first part of. That would be really helpful. First of all, this item is much appreciated by city staff, that you will take the time this evening to look at this important area, that we get your feedback and direction on, you know, what we should do in this very important area, and that we understand the operations and infrastructure needs and investments of the city of Sausalito's Public Works Department and those of the City Council. First of all let me just say this, infrastructure is the topic but Public Works is the mechanism for carrying out work and Public Works is not just building and staffing committees it It's also a first responder, and that's evidenced by some of the things that are going on right now with this upcoming storm. People see first responders as fire and police, but actually when you look at who responds first, it's also public works. So that's an extremely important distinction that I think gets lost sometimes. So as first responders in Sausalito, they have a lot of work to do when things like tomorrow and the next day and whenever we have these events happen. I also like to say beyond just the work they do, they're the glue to many, many different areas, whether it's city boards, commissions and committees, whether it's other city departments, whether it's regional agencies, all of those things are something that public work is a part of. And certainly to our residents, our businesses, when something goes wrong, who do we call? When it's public safety police department, but when it's infrastructure, it's always public work. So can I get the first slide up?
01:07:24.06	Ian Sobieski	Yes, Mr. Cidny Banner.
01:09:07.89	Director McGowan	Why don't we so that was my introduction. So thank you very much. Let's turn it back over to Chris then. So we should be on slide three.
01:09:18.00	Chris Zapata	He gave you a little more while I was working on it. So one of the things I want to point out is that Sausalito is a beautiful community. And as you look out, you have one of the most unique locations and physical identities in the world. Sausalito is world-class beautiful. But in October of 2021, one of the things that we talked to the city council about was when we look down and we look at our streets and our sidewalks, Saucel is not so beautiful. There is a real need to do some work there. And so we gave you some estimates of what we thought it would take to fix roads. We also made the strong recommendation that the city council focus on our finances, our personnel, and our infrastructure, which you did and you have. One of the things that we pointed out was Saucyde was founded in 1893, and a lot of our facilities, a lot of our infrastructure is extremely aged. And so these things don't get aged overnight, and they don't get fixed fixed overnight so now is the time to continue the work that was done by prior administrations and I want to point some of that out city councils and city administrations in the past undertook the replacement of your police and fire buildings and did an excellent job of that those two facilities on Johnson Street and Caledonia are first class. The city council undertook the work to do park improvements, and so through certificates of participation that were sold, improvements were made to Dunphy Park in a major way, Martin Luther King Park in a major way, Southview Park in a major way. So taking care of your public safety and your recreation facilities, the city council did that. They also did something really important as well. They passed a measure called Measure O, which was a quarter-cent sales tax for eight years directed toward infrastructure. And for eight years, the city of Sausalito used that money for infrastructure as it promised the voter. One year when we had COVID, the idea was to take some of that and use it for operations. The council reversed course, put that money back into infrastructure. And so your perfect record of doing that is intact. But you also knew that measure O was set to expire. And so you asked that there be some importance put to an extension of the measure. And so work was done by the city council to put measure L on the ballot, which extended and expanded measure O from about $1.2, $1.4 million to $2.4 to $2.8 million and was approved by the voters of Sauselio for infrastructure. Again, even though it's a 50% plus one, and the city council could use it for whatever it wanted to, and the general fund the city has always planned on using this money for infrastructure.
01:12:10.09	Chris Zapata	The one thing I will say is as we looked at our revenue streams, it was apparent to me that there is a real need to provide information to the community about our revenue streams that can fund infrastructure. A lot of times I hear people say, I pay my taxes. I pay my sales tax. I think it's important to note that when you get a $0.10 bill on taxes, the city is one and a half cents of that. The county and special districts are two cents of that. The state is six cents of that 10 cent sales tax, roughly. When people say I pay my property taxes, it's pretty clear to me that the city is getting 11 and a half cents on the dollar. The rest of it's going to special districts, school districts, fire districts, everyone else. So the city has been revenue constrained for infrastructure and I wanna make sure that's understood.
01:12:59.65	Chris Zapata	Thank you.
01:13:00.34	Chris Zapata	I want to talk about the amount that is in that estimate that we provided that we said would generate $2.4 to $2.8 million. That's been holding. That's been an accurate projection.
01:13:13.84	Chris Zapata	Slide three, please.
01:13:17.40	Chris Zapata	So subsequent to that, we said, you know, with the infrastructure challenge we have, we really need to focus on how we can create resources to deal with it. We brought forward some ideas for revenue generation, and we're told very clearly that the city council was not interested in an additional tax on its residents, that the burden that the city residents have, the businesses have, was one that was stay constant, that city staff wouldn't bring forward a bond measure, a tax measure that would in fact tax residents more for infrastructure. So what we want to do now is talk about how we got to
01:13:57.31	Chris Zapata	the need for infrastructure. One of the clear things, and when you look at our roads, is cities do what's called a pavement management index. And over the last two years, we've been told our roads are failing, that our pavement management index is 58 on a scale of 100. That's a low C, a high D. It's not a good number to have. And so we talked to the city council about what we could do better and what we could use to make that better. And so the discussion centered around what resources, you know, we're in uncertain times. So two years ago, staff came to the city council and said, our audits show us with emergency reserves of $10.7 million that are audited. We ought to think about using some of that money for something other than having it in the bank account. City Council said, no, City Manager, we want to develop a reserve policy for emergencies. We have to do some things that we may not have funds for, so to allocate that money would be unwise. So there was a six-month work and conversation around how much of that reserve to keep. I'm happy to say the city council arrived at a number, which I think is right, which is 25 percent. So with that in play, that leaves some unassigned discretionary funds to the city council. And that's not to say that there aren't a lot of needs in the city of Sausura. There are plenty, whether it's infrastructure, whether it's pensions, whether it's emergencies that might happen. There are many things that are in front of us that we have to be mindful of. So I'm not in any way advocating two things. Number one, I'm not advocating new taxes. I'm not advocating that we spend all that infrastructure money in one fell swoop, but I'm advocating that we do something.
01:15:42.75	Chris Zapata	So can you flash to the next slide?
01:15:46.63	Chris Zapata	So given all of that work, we're at a critical point where there are opportunities. You have an opportunity now to look at investing in your infrastructure in a strategic way. You have been given information that, you know, our 25% for economic uncertainty and economic contingencies, unforeseen disasters is $5 million on a $20 million budget. There is another $8 million on top of that that's unassigned that can be used for any number of reasons. And again, I'm not advocating using all of that for infrastructure, but I'm advocating using some of it, whether it's buildings, whether it's roads, whether it's stairs, whether it's storm drains, all of those things matter at this point. And so it's time to move the needle on all those two.
01:16:37.20	Chris Zapata	Again, provide better facilities, better conditions for people that walk, ride bikes, drive cars, own properties, or come visit your city.
01:16:48.17	Chris Zapata	It's also important to do these things because we want to lower our risk profile. So the more work we do on our buildings, the more work we do on our streets and sidewalks, the better for our risk profile because Sassero is an old community, has a lot of work to do with some of its infrastructure that relates to how people drive, how people bike, how people walk, how people push a stroller, how people enjoy city facilities.
01:17:14.92	Chris Zapata	I wanted to also point out that, you know, as you've resuscitated the finance committee, the finance committee is really going to be a vehicle for some of these things to be vetted, whether it's taking and using funding that exists in the unassigned kitty of money, whether it's taking and using money that was shown to come, we said would be in this coming year's audit. We estimate that we'll finish 23, 24, $2 million in the black, whether you want to put that in pensions, whether you want to put that in insurance costs that might accrues, whether you want to put that in infrastructure. All those things are possible. And so in this upcoming budget process, you have some resources that really are able to help you make a more significant investment than the money we've invested in the past. I think that it's important to note that parallel to this, for a year we've been working on our buildings with Climatech, and there's an opportunity there to deal with building infrastructure. We've been working on an RFP with the Bureau's Veritas to assess the condition of our buildings. All of those things, in addition to the work we're doing with our granting agency, sea level rise, ADA compliance, all those things are opportunities to build an approach in this coming six-month period that can, in fact, move the needle in a significant way on our infrastructure needs.
01:18:44.14	Chris Zapata	I want to turn it over to Kevin, but I also want to say that I've seen the letters and the requests from residents about, you know, not following the same cookie-cutter approach on how we construct roads, not being ignorant of, you know, what sea level rise in climate change and all those things due to our infrastructure and to have that lens and look to them. So a lot of things are in play. A lot of work's being done. Now is the time to actually allocate resources in a very structured and strategic way over this upcoming budget year so that in fiscal year 25-26, our capital improvement program, our street improvement program, our sea level rise program, our building and ADA compliance programs all have additional resources to them. And again, I'm not advocating spending all of your funds on that. I'm not advocating spending or adding new taxes to the residents. But I think there are some creative ways. If you do not want to use the $8 million in total, you don't want to go out for a bond issue, and you want to gain $2 or $3 million, $4 million to add to an effort over the next year or two. I think then you could, in fact, you know, do something which other cities have done. And I did in a prior city called a private placement, which is a smaller borough with less muss and fuss that can get you a dollop of cash in the $2 to $3 to $4 to $5 million range minimum to actually do some work and use what I call the incoming revenue over the next eight years in a partial way, which is Measure L. And again, $2.4 million is what we're seeing to $2.8 million. I'm not saying use all of that. I'm saying you may want to use a million dollars of it a year for the next five years, which would be $5 million, and allocate that to infrastructure and streets and stairs and buildings. And the reason you'd want to do that is because, number one, things get more costly. Construction costs go up. Energy costs go up. Economies of scale that we could use to do more work at one time, all factor in. But, you know, up, economies of scale that we could use to do more work at one time all factor in. But that's part of the discussion we want to begin to have this coming year with our finance committee and ultimately with the city council so that we can get to a budget in 25-26 that is more aggressive than the budgets that we've had the past couple of years.
01:21:08.76	Director McGowan	Thank you, Chris. I think the next slide is number six there, and that covered some of the points that Chris was talking about as well. So feel free to refer to that slide to some of the issues he just brought up. Next slide, please.
01:21:25.16	Director McGowan	So in past meetings, we have talked about the concept of having a vibrant city infrastructure system.
01:21:31.94	Director McGowan	which is similar to a three-legged stool.
01:21:34.66	Director McGowan	Each leg of the stool represents a key component which makes the city thrive.
01:21:39.76	Director McGowan	Infrastructure improvements need to be identified and implemented, and many plans go into the development of an infrastructure.
01:21:50.42	Director McGowan	and infrastructure project.
01:21:52.48	Director McGowan	So on this slide, I've noted a couple different things that are really key to developing infrastructure, starting with the general plan, starting with the strategic plan.
01:22:02.47	Director McGowan	bicycle pedestrian master plans as well as facility assessment studies in the CIP.
01:22:07.55	Director McGowan	All of those go into developing infrastructure and giving some guidance on where we're moving forward. Let's not forget about the Climate Action Plan as well as other studies that are also occurring.
01:22:20.59	Director McGowan	For a city to function, it also needs funding. This is not just generating general fund, but also includes Measure L, grants, parking funds, and others to support the intent of having facilities and programs that support the community. And again, I'm listing that here as a specific leg to the stool, and I haven't included everything there. We also have more that we also look after.
01:22:47.24	Director McGowan	We also need people to execute that work. Last year, the city council approved two project engineers for DPW. These positions have greatly increased our ability to implement capital projects. However, there are other personnel who helped improve Sausalito, are your city council, for one, who takes leadership and provides direction, but also are community volunteers, collaborators, and others to help guide the city with these improvements. Next slide, please.
01:23:20.50	Director McGowan	Just a quick little slide here for funding. Katie Theo Garcia, our sustainability coordinator, has worked exceptionally hard to identify funding for the city. Many agencies are now providing funding to Sausalito, and only some of them are listed here.
01:23:39.15	Director McGowan	Keep in mind that this is not your normal transportation type of funding. This is something completely different for us, which is great. We welcome that. Public Works has also submitted applications for road and traffic-centric funds over the last year. And we are waiting to hear if we are successful in bringing some of these funds to Sausalito. Next slide, please.
01:24:04.96	Director McGowan	Over the last year, Public Works has presented more than 50 staff reports to the Council. Of those projects, the Council has approved $7.7 million in various construction and professional services contracts, all generally related to capital infrastructure.
01:24:22.33	Director McGowan	Some of these projects are very important to the city, such as the Ferry Landside Improvement Project, as well as complex projects such as Edwards Avenue repaving. Many others are on the active project list, which is also included with your packet as attachment three. Another big list from Public Works. I'm sorry. Next slide, please.
01:24:47.64	Director McGowan	Based on the municipal code, the city has the ability to delegate the award of smaller projects, which are less than $200,000, to the city manager. Over the last year, we have addressed many informal projects, including improvements to Turney Street boat launch, some stair projects, and facilities. Some of these projects can be fairly small in cost, such as improving the gazebo at Dunphy Park. And I'm sorry this slide has a lot of pictures on it, but that has been a small project, but very important. Also, the installation of the sea lion.
01:25:26.06	Director McGowan	But these projects are specifically focal points to the community, and having these updated and painted and look good will bring more folks and more pride to the community as a whole.
01:25:37.69	Director McGowan	Next slide.
01:25:40.12	Director McGowan	Thank you. Public Works is made up of 21 dedicated individuals. Our organizational structure is broken into four separate divisions, including engineering, street maintenance, park maintenance, as well as sanitary services.
01:25:54.20	Director McGowan	Within each of these divisions, our staff handles a myriad of tasks, including issuing permits, executing capital projects, managing our roadways, drainage systems, parks, restrooms, I've got to take a breath, as well as maintaining our sewer collection system. So we have a lot on our plate.
01:26:13.27	Director McGowan	One of the things that I am particularly proud of and amazed about is the ability of our DPW staff to work together to address problems. This effort by staff is very apparent in the winter season when we have storms and impacts that cannot be addressed by one division alone.
01:26:32.18	Director McGowan	such that personnel from parks and sewer as well as engineering step up to assist with issues related to storm response. Similarly, our engineering division will also assist with coordination and emphasis with our emergency services personnel. So we take very different roles all the time. Next slide.
01:26:54.19	Director McGowan	Public Works has two new project managers, Sarah Korshidafard, who I think is here tonight. Could you raise your hand? Thank you, Sarah. I don't know if you've met Sarah, but I just wanted to introduce her. And Ali Iqbal. Ali is online if we have questions for you. Sarah and Ali are tasked with managing multiple capital projects for the city and are moving forward with several high-profile projects. This includes the Ferry Landside Improvement Project, which is well underway in the construction phase. This is not your normal construction project in that Sarah is working with the local professionals group to address improvements on a day-to-day and hourly basis.
01:27:35.26	Director McGowan	as well as working with the improvements to Tracy Way or the changes to Tracy Way. Staff anticipates bringing an item to Council in the future regarding some of the changes in the Ferry Landside project, especially associated with the surface that is recommended for Tracy Way.
01:27:54.06	Director McGowan	In addition, Ali is managing several projects, including the construction of the Dorothy Gibson House, Old City Hall, many improvements there, and is managing design professionals for the work on Bridgeway from Napa Street to Johnson Street.
01:28:09.64	Director McGowan	Each project manager carries about four to seven projects at one time, and
01:28:15.09	Director McGowan	As work is completed, additional projects noted in the CIP, or as they come up throughout the year, are initiated by each project manager. So in other words, there might be 20 projects on the CIP list, but we can only tackle them a certain number at a time.
01:28:32.45	Director McGowan	Next slide, please.
01:28:35.60	Director McGowan	As noted in the staff report, there are opportunities to address our infrastructure without raising taxes.
01:28:42.35	Director McGowan	In simplistic terms, the city could consider an alternative delivery method of projects instead of the construct as you receive the funds themselves. I believe Chris was talking about this earlier.
01:28:56.19	Director McGowan	Securing a third party, a loan or some such thing, I'm not too sure what you characterize it as, to repair a large number of roads or facilities and paying that loan off with the dedicated measure L funds over time will allow an economy of scale for the improvements and save money over time since the material costs will continue to go up for all of our projects.
01:29:25.13	Director McGowan	DPW staff and the sewer subcommittee have been working with the Saucer-Lumren City Sanitary District to transfer the city's collection system to the district. Since the district only deals with sanitary issues, having them manage the collection system is better for the community. Staff anticipates presenting a memo of understanding to the council in the next several meetings to solidify the process for this transfer as well.
01:29:52.86	Director McGowan	Now, I could go on and on for most of the evening on capital projects, but there are a few others that we want to make sure to mention, and that has to do with sea level rise, and it also has to do with climate action changes. So we are in the proverbial loop or communication loop with our consultants on sea level rise and climate action changes as well. We want to make sure that we work together with our consultants to move that type of project forward as well. Next slide, please.
01:30:28.19	Director McGowan	Our maintenance division is composed of 19 full-time equivalent positions. These people are the frontline team.
01:30:36.89	Director McGowan	that addresses all sorts of issues from road repairs, vegetation management, tree work, custodial, boy, I keep going on and on. Our city parks and road roadway systems continue to be utilized by the public and they need constant maintenance repairs from vandalism, as well as normal vegetation growth to maintain the pedestrian vehicle paths of travel are just some of the issues that our staff addresses on a daily basis.
01:31:05.02	Director McGowan	Our maintenance staff is also assisting with the installation of trash capture devices throughout the city on our catch basins, which is a requirement of the state of California.
01:31:17.71	Director McGowan	Our staff looks at older systems in the city, such as the storm drain system on gate five, which tends to flood during high tides. We are now seeing impacts of saltwater intrusion impacting the steel inlets on these grates down on gate five, and that they are solidified together. We can't even pull them up. So we're gonna have to demo that and put in some new infrastructure. Next slide, please.
01:31:48.67	Director McGowan	All right, I'll try to go a little quicker. One of the first items we wanted to brief you about was the Fix-It application, which allows the public to assist the city with reporting maintenance and other problems. This application has been in place since late spring. The application is intended to be very friendly by having a quick drop menu and to report potholes and other maintenance items. Next slide.
01:32:19.52	Director McGowan	In addition, the Fix-It app for Sausalito can be found on an Apple or Android device from the application store. And the apps include all the same features for the website with the ability to take and submit photos and videos to direct our staff to address issues. This has been very helpful. So many thanks to the members of the public that have used this application to assist EPW be more productive in addressing these issues. Next slide.
01:32:51.53	Director McGowan	This particular program helps us very much because it's map-based. It'll list something for us, for our maintenance staff, to go out specifically each day to pick off each one of these dots to go say, well, okay, we'll take care of this and move forward.
01:33:05.91	Director McGowan	Next slide, please.
01:33:08.29	Director McGowan	The Fix-It application also allows us to review and analyze the types of requests we are receiving. Items such as potholes and public stairs can be separated into their own category. Keep in mind that this is our first deep dive into the data that we're gathering from this application. We are finding some inconsistencies on our part as well as the inquiries that we are receiving. For example, this data run indicates that we only close 77% of the inquiries.
01:33:45.36	Director McGowan	This may be part of our learning curve in that after reviewing the records, we do notice that many of these tickets
01:33:53.24	Director McGowan	have already been completed, completed. We just didn't complete it in the program.
01:33:59.00	Director McGowan	So we have to do a little bit more due diligence on our side to make sure that our data is complete. Next slide, please.
01:34:07.52	Director McGowan	We are also getting additional requests that are not simply maintenance repairs. For example, we received a few inquiries about alligator cracking on a roadway surface. Typically, this is a small area. Typically, this can be a small area our maintenance staff can maintain. However, if it's an entire roadway, the issue needs to be referred to our engineering division to include in our resurfacing project annually.
01:34:36.24	Director McGowan	We've also received some maintenance requests for private property issues. Areas adjacent to parks or the downtown walkways may appear to be public, but in some cases may be the responsibility of the fronting property owner.
01:34:53.35	Director McGowan	These inquiries need to be forwarded to
01:34:55.87	Director McGowan	the property owner and
01:34:57.77	Director McGowan	and that handoff needs to be improved on our level. So this has been a good learning tool for us as far as data so that we can take a look at things. Next slide.
01:35:08.00	Director McGowan	There are two significant issues that are showing up in the data related to the fixed application. They are trees and sidewalks. While this is not specifically addressed in the fixed application, these two subjects are complex and have an impact on the city staff, as well as the city's budget. I'll cover these in a little bit in an additional slide. Next slide.
01:35:32.64	Director McGowan	This year, we felt it was important to bring to the council's attention some challenges facing DPW and our goals on how to address these challenges. These can be pretty specific issues, but they relate to the overall topics that city manager Josephada brought up. Next slide.
01:35:55.01	Director McGowan	We have many concrete roads here in town.
01:35:58.74	Director McGowan	concrete cracks over time. And seeing cracks in a roadway does not necessarily mean that that surface needs replacing.
01:36:07.52	Director McGowan	Replacing concrete roads with asphalt is generally pursued for slopes that are less than 18% slope.
01:36:15.58	Director McGowan	While this is cheaper than replacing the roadway with concrete,
01:36:19.60	Director McGowan	It still is expensive. Applying crack sealing on concrete may
01:36:25.05	Director McGowan	extend the life of the concrete road and keep it in place.
01:36:30.47	Director McGowan	In addition, we may consider doing grinding on certain slabs that may have displaced.
01:36:37.44	Director McGowan	Sealing asphalt roadways with something called a micro seal or a wearing surface will also extend the life of the roadway. Our goal is to strategically identify repairs that will address as many of these issues as possible. The city also has nine traffic signals. The controllers that run these systems are old and need replacing.
01:37:02.06	Director McGowan	The cost of the signal is high. While staff has continued to apply for grant funds for replacing signals, we have not been successful in obtaining any funds for these replacements.
01:37:16.76	Director McGowan	If we continue to be unsuccessful in securing funds to repair the signal, the city may need to utilize local funds to support the replacement of the equipment, equipment based on the age of the controllers and the parts, since we can no longer find those on the market.
01:37:36.70	Director McGowan	We have several slip outs here in town as well. And for the two of them that we're working on, we have a design engineer who's moving forward with that plan set.
01:37:46.62	Director McGowan	Um,
01:37:47.91	Director McGowan	We are combining the two, as I said, one is on Bridgeway, the other one is up near.
01:37:52.63	Director McGowan	Thank you.
01:37:54.13	Director McGowan	not East is Edwards, excuse me. And so we'll combine those two for an economy of scale with the intent of trying to save the city money.
01:38:02.93	Director McGowan	On our drainage systems, we will need to examine and determine their condition. We intend to issue an RFP to firms to prepare a report
01:38:11.97	Director McGowan	on all of our storm drain systems and their condition. In other words, in a condition assessment for our storm drain system. Next slide, please.
01:38:22.21	Director McGowan	All right.
01:38:23.73	Director McGowan	The city maintains the public
01:38:25.62	Director McGowan	roadway system.
01:38:27.31	Director McGowan	This includes trimming trees to allow vehicles and pedestrians to pass these streets. Typically, maintenance will trim the vegetation to a standard height of about 17 feet above the roadway surface, above the roadway surface, to allow large vehicles to pass and trim trees seven feet above a sidewalk for pedestrians.
01:38:48.62	Director McGowan	The actual traveled way for a roadway sits within the actual right of way. For example,
01:38:55.93	Director McGowan	The right-of-way shown in this picture is 30 feet wide.
01:39:00.49	Director McGowan	However, the street itself is only 16 feet wide.
01:39:04.98	Director McGowan	For many roads, the area between the roadway and the adjacent property line
01:39:09.43	Director McGowan	has not been planted by the city. However,
01:39:13.58	Director McGowan	our staff,
01:39:14.95	Director McGowan	is receiving more and more requests to trim trees and vegetation in this area.
01:39:20.70	Director McGowan	Residents are sometimes surprised that the maintenance staff does not maintain this area between the roadway and their property line.
01:39:28.38	Director McGowan	However, as trees in these areas get bigger and lean over the roadway, as you can see in one of these pictures,
01:39:37.02	Director McGowan	our maintenance staff is obliged to either remove the tree or at least get it out of the way so a vehicle can pass.
01:39:45.00	Director McGowan	In fiscal year 2023-24, the city spent over $75,000 on tree services. Not all of these services were for vegetation outside of the road prism, but this cost does show the magnitude.
01:39:59.48	Director McGowan	of work related to trees. Sausalito may consider what other cities in Marin utilize, which is an ordinance similar to the sidewalk ordinance that requires the fronting property owner to maintain frontage vegetation. Next slide.
01:40:18.57	Director McGowan	All right. We are on sidewalks and trees. Thank you. The city has installed and does maintain street trees on Bridgeway and Caledonia. Many of these trees have reached maturity and are causing issues with their root systems damaging sidewalks, roadways, and parking lots.
01:40:39.32	Director McGowan	While the street trees provide benefit to the community,
01:40:43.32	Director McGowan	repairing damaged sidewalks without addressing tree roots
01:40:47.49	Director McGowan	Tree roots.
01:40:50.01	Director McGowan	pardon the pun, will not address the hazard.
01:40:55.46	Director McGowan	based on the emergency.
01:40:57.48	Director McGowan	Based on an emergency nature of this work, such as this shown on Bridgeway and lot three, the removal of the stone pines is required to repair the sidewalk without it being damaged by intrusion of roots in the future.
01:41:13.98	Director McGowan	In addition, removal of several trees are required on Caledonia
01:41:19.96	Director McGowan	This is another picture on the slide on the lower right-hand side. Installation of a new tree can be performed after about a year.
01:41:27.94	Director McGowan	Caledonia tree root.
01:41:30.20	Director McGowan	Removal will be exceptionally difficult based on the high density of utilities.
01:41:34.98	Director McGowan	in the area.
01:41:37.26	Director McGowan	This is not uncommon issue as trees that are planted in a small planter strip continue to grow and impact the sidewalk.
01:41:45.95	Director McGowan	In these cases, Public Works Department needs to take action to eliminate the hazard and repair the sidewalk.
01:41:52.97	Director McGowan	Next slide, please.
01:41:54.65	Director McGowan	Only a few more. Sorry, folks. Sausalito's streets, parks, and sewer divisions utilize standard work trucks and equipment to perform their day-to-day tasks.
01:42:06.30	Director McGowan	Typically, a standard work truck can be replaced, should be replaced every 15 years or less. Some of our equipment is over 20 years old, and the flatbed shown here on the lower left side, that's over 30 years old.
01:42:20.94	Director McGowan	Our heavier construction equipment is equally old and repairs can only be performed on some of these vehicles. Replacement of the equipment will be necessary to continue to serve the community.
01:42:32.81	Director McGowan	DPW is starting to investigate the possibility of utilizing electric vehicles as well.
01:42:38.81	Director McGowan	While the technology has improved quite substantially over the last year,
01:42:43.44	Director McGowan	the new work trucks that we are seeing out can't be modified for our needs. For example, we take a regular work truck and we take off the back bed and put on some work lockers or whatever you want to call them on either side, which is one of the pictures up there.
01:43:00.40	Director McGowan	And according to the manufacturer we reached out to,
01:43:04.77	Director McGowan	we cannot take off part of the bed on a new electric truck. So we're still working with those manufacturers to see if we can try to pull in some more electric vehicles for our fleet. Electric vehicles are more expensive than gasoline vehicles at this point in time, but our council as well as sustainability group have suggested that we definitely investigate the possibility of using more electric vehicles and moving away from gas. Next slide, please.
01:43:35.18	Director McGowan	facilities. With two new project managers, we are performing more work and addressing many facility problems.
01:43:44.44	Director McGowan	Our buildings are old, as we mentioned before, and they continue to deteriorate. We are also required to improve access to our older buildings, as well as address the day-to-day issues such as vandalism.
01:43:59.75	Director McGowan	DPW has made some strides into addressing building issues in the past year. However, we still have more CIP projects to address.
01:44:11.51	Director McGowan	climate climate tech is also moving forward with identifying improvements related to energy efficiency staff anticipates bringing an item to the Council regarding climate tax recommendations in December next slide.
01:44:30.09	Director McGowan	There we go.
01:44:30.80	Director McGowan	Thank you.
01:44:31.66	Director McGowan	Public Works is also addressing other important issues here in town. Over the last year, we have assisted PG&E staff with issuing permits for their 4KV to 12KV improvement project. This project continues to move forward, and it'll be at least another six to eight months before they finish their work. Our staff continue to seek grants for projects such as the Coloma Street Improvement Project, as well as Signal Upgrades and others here in town.
01:45:02.17	Director McGowan	The next phase of the geologic hazard study includes the development of a monitoring plan. Staff has proposals in hand for this work and will be presenting a recommendation to the Council in the near future regarding this.
01:45:17.78	Director McGowan	Staff is also ready to set up a public meeting for our Pedestrian Bicycle Advisory Committee to receive comments from the public regarding the Bridgeway Bike Lane Project Princess to Richardson. We hope to have this meeting in the first week in December.
01:45:33.44	Director McGowan	DPW also continues to work on flooding issues on Gate 5. Sleeving this storm drain system may help flooding characteristics. However, Katie Garcia, our sustainability coordinator, has also secured a grant
01:45:48.22	Director McGowan	for funding to perform a study to identify what additional measures can be pursued to reduce flooding in this specific area. So many thanks to Katie. Next slide.
01:45:59.88	Director McGowan	All right, finally. So as I suggested earlier, I could talk all evening about this. However, I'd probably put everybody to sleep. We don't want to do that. However, I'd like to...
01:46:12.64	Director McGowan	I think I'd like to conclude by saying that it takes a very versatile team to manage multiple aspects of infrastructure in Sausalito. I'm proud to be working here with our maintenance team, but also wanted to convey my thanks to you for your support, as well as the community members who make this work. It's not just DPW moving around with the advent of the Fix-It application.
01:46:44.78	Director McGowan	We get everybody's help.
01:46:46.69	Director McGowan	It's really great. It seems to be moving forward.
01:46:49.51	Director McGowan	So that concludes my presentation, and I'm available for any questions or comments.
01:46:54.39	Ian Sobieski	Thanks, Director. I'll just ask one question off the top, and then the vice mayor raised her hand after me.
01:47:00.04	Ian Sobieski	uh,
01:47:01.59	Ian Sobieski	The notion of accelerating the impact of roadway repair that is
01:47:07.15	Ian Sobieski	spending, let's say $2 million instead of one.
01:47:10.37	Ian Sobieski	If you do have any data to show how much cheaper per say square foot it is to do $2 million of resurfacing of a standard street versus one.
01:47:22.18	Director McGowan	Um,
01:47:24.26	Director McGowan	It would have to do with mobilization cost. If you're going to suggest that the city perform, let's say only $500,000 worth of resurfacing this year compared to the year after, we would have to pay a mobilization cost right now
01:47:42.85	Director McGowan	in order to do the paving and the next year we'd have to pay that same mobilization cost again
01:47:47.83	Director McGowan	So combining them all together has an economy of scale.
01:47:51.90	Director McGowan	and you're better off moving forward with
01:47:53.99	Director McGowan	trying to have that contractor mobilize once instead of multiple times. Your AC price will change from year to year.
01:48:01.70	Director McGowan	and your concrete costs will change from year to year, depending upon materials that are used to generate that.
01:48:07.34	Director McGowan	In other words, if the oil prices go up,
01:48:10.10	Director McGowan	From this year to next year, your cost will go up.
01:48:13.55	Ian Sobieski	Right, do you have a, just for that mobilization cost?
01:48:17.21	Ian Sobieski	Are we talking about 10% more asphalt?
01:48:20.80	Ian Sobieski	that you get for the same amount of money or 20%.
01:48:24.01	Director McGowan	Usually your mobilization cost is 15 to 18% somewhere in there.
01:48:29.29	Ian Sobieski	Okay, so if you didn't have to spend that money, presumably you could spend 20% on...
01:48:33.21	Ian Sobieski	additional roadway.
01:48:34.62	Director McGowan	You could save money and put it into the actual product, yes.
01:48:37.27	Ian Sobieski	So the two major factors of saving money by accelerating road repair would be a decrease in the mobilization cost and the inflationary expense of materials over time and labor and everything else.
01:48:51.58	Director McGowan	Yes.
01:48:52.38	Ian Sobieski	All right.
01:48:53.42	Ian Sobieski	Did you, well, that'll be my one question for now. Vice Mayor, you had your hand raised.
01:48:59.13	Unknown	Thank you. Thank you, Maren. Thank you, Director McGowan for that very thorough report. Um,
01:49:08.05	Unknown	And thank you for including the current CIP list of projects and added projects for the current fiscal year.
01:49:17.20	Unknown	I was concerned to hear about your equipment. Do you already have in your current fiscal year budget the replacement of some of the trucks and other equipment that DPW relies upon?
01:49:29.74	Director McGowan	No, we replaced two trucks last year, and we were hoping that our fleet would last another year before we'd have to get into it. And it's just been unfortunate that we have one that just kind of recently blew up.
01:49:42.92	Unknown	And some of the obligations that you're discussing, sewer, for example, you mentioned, if we enter into an MOU,
01:49:51.24	Unknown	we will, that will entail our delegating some of our personnel and some of our,
01:50:00.53	Unknown	obligations when it comes to the sewer collection line maintenance. Is that right?
01:50:06.44	Director McGowan	Yes, all of that should go to the district.
01:50:10.10	Unknown	Um,
01:50:12.11	Unknown	You mentioned a challenge with sidewalks and trees. And when we heard presentations related to the ferry landing, we heard, I forget from whom, about this.
01:50:26.64	Unknown	approach to planting trees that includes burying
01:50:33.44	Unknown	at some depth in the ground, a mechanism that prevents the tree roots from spreading out until they've gotten to a certain depth within the ground. Do you recall that?
01:50:45.73	Director McGowan	I think it's called a root barrier, and the intent was to try to set those trees a little bit deeper in the ground and put a root barrier around it so it limits their growth.
01:50:56.00	Unknown	Thank you.
01:50:56.34	Unknown	And so when you talk about replacing the trees on Bridgeway in Caledonia, are you planning to include in that process root barriers so that we prevent some of the issues that we're now having to address?
01:51:08.51	Unknown	Thank you.
01:51:08.52	Director McGowan	Yes, that's the intent. There's a couple problems there, though. In other words, the type of tree that was selected next to Lot 3, which is a stone pine, it has a root system that is very aggressive. It just keeps going. So we would choose another type of tree there. The same is true for Caledonia. We have different type of trees where they're...
01:51:30.63	Director McGowan	The planter strip is so small that it doesn't accommodate the tree as it gets larger and larger. But to answer your question, yes, we'd probably pick a different species, put some root barriers in as well.
01:51:42.97	Unknown	And in looking at your...
01:51:47.37	Unknown	Public Works Division of Duty chart. I know that Sausalito used to have a landscaper on staff who gave advice about
01:51:58.80	Unknown	taking care of the trees at Vina Del Mar Park and other such matters. Do we still have someone on staff that performs that role?
01:52:06.61	Director McGowan	We have three landscapers, but they are not arborists. So we go out for arborist services. We have a consultant that helps us with that.
01:52:16.46	Unknown	And so part and parcel with...
01:52:20.29	Unknown	replanting trees, will you be consulting an arborist to be sure that we're choosing the right type of tree that is fire retardant and also doesn't have such an aggressive root? Absolutely.
01:52:34.23	Director McGowan	Absolutely. We'd also like to work closely with Sausalito Beautiful, who we usually do on these specific things, and try to work collectively in order to address those issues.
01:52:44.93	Unknown	And then I was very interested to hear both your and the city manager's reference to a private placement as a mechanism to leverage the Measure L funding
01:53:00.34	Unknown	Annual funding that we know we have as well as perhaps a portion of the um
01:53:06.56	Unknown	city's fund balance, if you were allotted $5 million now to address the most urgent
01:53:16.35	Unknown	Um,
01:53:17.90	Unknown	projects now. And I know you don't yet have the outcome of the
01:53:22.04	Unknown	facility study, but would you be, how would you go about putting together
01:53:27.22	Unknown	the list of projects that you would undertake now to reap maximum benefit to the city. Do you have your prospective projects allocated by urgency or in some manner that would allow you to recommend how best to use that funding?
01:53:45.77	Director McGowan	some yes, some no. In other words, we do have a PCI report, pavement condition index report,
01:53:51.34	Unknown	Right.
01:53:51.62	Director McGowan	as far as the roads we'd start there in order to try to prioritize those it has a good size listing and then we would utilize that to go look in the field and see how those are doing as far as facilities we don't have that type of data yet as you mentioned we're waiting for the facility assessment study and that will help us prioritize those projects we still need to do a study on our drainage systems to prioritize those so we we still have more work to do and the same with stairs we want to be able to look at our 42-ish stairs and find out which ones need to be repaired first so we still have some work to do on all of those
01:54:30.59	Chris Zapata	If I can add to that, thank you for that question. We need to be looking at these in a couple of ways. In talking to a kitchen cabinet of community folks that know infrastructure and construction management techniques, one of the things that was mentioned to us was we really need to look at those facilities that generate revenue as one of the criteria that we use to figure out what goes first. We also need to look at the facilities and infrastructure that creates the biggest risk as part of our review and sequencing of what we would ask for you all to approve in terms of funding. And then as it relates to our storm drains, streets, stairs, and other facilities, there was a community survey done two years ago in advance of Measure L, which kind of lists the community's priorities of what they believe they thought the city staff should allocate Measure L funds for. And we'd want to use that as some type of barometer to bring forward a comprehensive approach to what we do first.
01:54:30.62	Director McGowan	Yes.
01:55:42.20	Unknown	When are you planning to do a survey of the city's storm drains? Yeah.
01:55:49.97	Director McGowan	I haven't we haven't gotten out the RFP yet. And now would be a good time to get that out so that our consultants can take a look at each one of the storm drain systems. So probably in the next three to four months.
01:56:02.82	Director McGowan	Thank you.
01:56:02.84	Unknown	And what will that cost the city? Are you going to do it in a similar way to how you did the sewers?
01:56:11.47	Unknown	Thank you.
01:56:11.48	Director McGowan	I'm not sure that all of them need to be televised. So to answer your question, yes, some of them do need to be televised. Other ones that we can easily tell that they are plastic compared to steel, we may not need to do anything with them.
01:56:28.52	Director McGowan	I'm not sure.
01:56:29.03	Unknown	yet.
01:56:30.13	Unknown	So I've heard complaints from residents and businesses that our storm drains are disintegrating, such that in areas where our sewer lines
01:56:41.65	Unknown	run above the storm drains, the storm drains are being polluted with sewage, which is then washed out to the bay. And so how will you ascertain where those conditions exist, where sewer lines, sorry, storm drains are crumbling
01:56:58.95	Unknown	if you aren't CCTV
01:57:01.97	Director McGowan	Yeah.
01:57:02.09	Unknown	them.
01:57:02.55	Director McGowan	Thank you.
01:57:02.97	Director McGowan	Generally, we start with certain types of pipes to CCTV them. Steel, clay, those two need to be televised, concrete,
01:57:12.97	Director McGowan	Depends upon if we can determine when it was installed.
01:57:16.01	Director McGowan	So we'll start with what type of pipe it is first to know whether we televise it.
01:57:20.47	Unknown	And then several months ago, you came to the city with a report regarding responsibility for the city's sidewalks. And it was news to me and others, I think, that residents are responsible for their own sidewalks. And we talked about.
01:57:34.86	Unknown	commencing a program whereby we could facilitate, fund, advance monies to residents to address those sidewalks. Have you or when will you perform a survey of the city's sidewalks?
01:57:52.06	Director McGowan	So it's a little difficult to have our staff perform an assessment of all the sidewalks in the city. We had intended to start in a smaller area, which was Bridgeway going from Napa down to Johnson Street and the other side, which is Caledonia. We were going to study those first and start developing our program off of that and take that initial step to see, you know, how many of these sidewalks are the city's responsibility compared to
01:58:23.33	Director McGowan	How many are the private property owners? And we're going to move it that way.
01:58:25.77	Unknown	and-
01:58:26.87	Unknown	And when will that work be completed?
01:58:29.27	Director McGowan	We are currently working on that.
01:58:31.27	Director McGowan	It's not a good time to do sidewalks when it's raining like this, so I would suggest we will probably look at early April to actually start replacing sidewalks.
01:58:42.68	Unknown	Well.
01:58:44.72	Unknown	What?
01:58:44.89	Unknown	Thank you.
01:58:46.23	Unknown	Okay, but we can't start replacing sidewalks until we've communicated with the owners and identified and passed some sort of program of city assistance for the owners.
01:58:58.98	Unknown	um,
01:59:00.40	Unknown	Are you planning to come back to the council in January or February to propose that program?
01:59:06.68	Director McGowan	Yes.
01:59:07.00	Unknown	Okay.
01:59:07.99	Unknown	Okay, those are my initial questions. Thank you.
01:59:10.51	Unknown	That's where we're coming.
01:59:12.08	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you. And thank you, Vice Mayor. You captured a lot of dots I was going to try to connect. Let me try this. First of all, thank you, Director McGowan. I have seen our DPW workers clearing many storm drains in anticipation of whatever is supposed to befall us tonight, water-wise. We talk a lot about the Sanitation District. We don't often talk about Marin Water District. And I had the good fortune of being witness to two water district problems recently. One right over here on Bridgeway. We saw the construction and one over by here, Robin Sweeney. How do we work with the district? Was that a district project that we saw here over at the Light? Yes.
01:59:52.53	Director McGowan	Yes, that was Marin Municipal Water Districts.
01:59:55.26	Councilmember Kelman	Right. Okay. So tell us a little bit about how we can work with Marine Municipal Water District to ensure that that type of infrastructure is taken care of in a more timely fashion rather than having leakage that we're not tracking because it's not our infrastructure.
02:00:10.69	Director McGowan	We would have to stay on top of that communication with the district itself. So as soon as we see it, we would want to ask them to come test it to find out if it is their line. Many times here in Sausalito, we do have a lot of springs. And when MMWD tests some of these areas, it turns out that it's not theirs. They have some way to detect whether it's coming from their system or not.
02:00:33.23	Councilmember Kelman	So do we have a regular testing schedule with them? Can we establish that?
02:00:37.40	Director McGowan	No. Well, we can, but it's usually
02:00:39.91	Director McGowan	whenever we see something, we would reach out to them specifically.
02:00:43.25	Councilmember Kelman	Okay.
02:00:44.54	Director McGowan	It didn't really work well in the past because that leak had been there a long time.
02:00:48.23	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah.
02:00:49.58	Councilmember Kelman	It's kind of like the Golden Gate Bridge. They paint it continuously. They finish and they go through it again. And I know we don't have the people necessarily to do that, but that constant connectivity. Since Sergio is here, and I don't want him to get bored, one of the questions that the vice mayor hit on here is we have a lot of future planning documentation coming down the pipeline. We've got a facilities infrastructure study. I think the last time you said it was mid-January 25 was going to be complete. We have the RFP for the geologic hazard report went out. We got our responses on October 30th. We hired a risk manager. How is our legal department informing the utilization of these reports and studies? And the reason it's important is for two things. One is the upfront costs that the council has allocated the budget to be able to utilize these in a more meaningful fashion. And the second is the reduction in litigation risk, of which we have suffered a great deal. Many of the litigation pieces come to us because somebody slips on a, or, you know, stubs their toe on a sidewalk, which is kind of raised up because there's a root system that we haven't maintained. How are you thinking about utilizing some of that material, and how can we help?
02:02:00.47	Councilmember Kelman	director McGowan and think about these things more holistically. Because the vice mayor made that point too, like we have all these new things coming in, how the heck can we plan, you know, today?
02:02:08.81	Sergio	Yeah, I think that's a really great question, and we are working with DPW and other departments as well to identify risk. I do think it's important that DPW work with the city's new risk manager in developing the infrastructure programs. Additionally, we need to be considering some of the reports and information that's already out there. I mean, in 2019, the city adopted an updated ADA transition plan. There's already public infrastructure spends that are identified in that plan that we should, in theory,
02:02:39.74	Sergio	be moving towards implementing in our capital improvement programs. You know, that addresses ADA risks, you know, which are a separate litigation risk concerning our infrastructure. So, you know, those are other items that, you know, should be considered as part of our capital program.
02:02:59.59	Councilmember Kelman	Well, keep...
02:03:01.46	Councilmember Kelman	come back on that. I'm gonna talk a little bit about climate and climate risk and how we're embedding that in your program. So,
02:03:09.10	Councilmember Kelman	one of the
02:03:10.15	Councilmember Kelman	contentious issues in front of the city right now is around the bridgeway median and the potential bike lane um you and i talked about this the money is going through mtc the original funds came through the coastal conservancy
02:03:22.40	Councilmember Kelman	That area is shown to be at risk of flooding. It is currently a risk of storm surge. We know that from the Coast Guard is very low-lying. How do you think about a project like that, knowing, having seen the videos of the storm surge coming up and over on Southern Bridgeway and hitting a vehicle driving northbound? Because right now what I'm hearing is PBAC is reviewing all of this material, but I'm not hearing that WRT, who is our sea level rise consultant, not hearing that the sustainability committee is looking at this. How can we better empower you
02:03:53.94	Councilmember Kelman	to have a wider lens so it's not just a pipes and wires or road project.
02:04:00.17	Director McGowan	Thank you for the question. I appreciate it. We can reach out to our consultant, who is parametrics, to provide the presentation material and invite any other consultants to our next BPAC meeting. But we can contact them directly and have a separate meeting between parametrics and the other consultants so that they see what's coming. In addition, I think you and I have talked in the past that,
02:04:26.78	Director McGowan	as part of this project that we're looking at,
02:04:30.91	Director McGowan	considering moving out
02:04:33.16	Director McGowan	away from the actual sidewalk right now and pushing that out and creating
02:04:37.68	Director McGowan	something that addresses not just
02:04:40.11	Director McGowan	the concerns of
02:04:41.65	Director McGowan	bicyclists traveling up and down that corridor.
02:04:44.38	Director McGowan	but also addresses the issues that you have brought up.
02:04:47.72	Director McGowan	related to sea level rise or wave run up.
02:04:51.06	Director McGowan	and trying to put a system in place that would be more viable for not just funding, but will address multiple issues at one point in time. That is part of the parametrics is one of their options. They do include part of that.
02:05:06.52	Councilmember Kelman	So I guess I'm just wondering about the division of labor. We have a half a million dollar contract with WRT who do doing, um,
02:05:13.17	Councilmember Kelman	a coastal vulnerability assessment and come up in that adaptation plan.
02:05:18.52	Councilmember Kelman	Why is WRT not leading that work or at least a partner in that work with parametrics?
02:05:24.59	Director McGowan	We can make that happen.
02:05:26.06	Councilmember Kelman	Okay. Because we're paying both, we should have the benefit of that competition. Okay. Then the last one, the mayor alluded to this, is about pavement index. So I think this is still accurate, that the 2022 pavement management program had a pavement index at 58. But a PCI of 70 is what is a good rating. I think you said something like 2.9 million or 3 million annually would get us to 63. So 70 is good. 3 million would get us to 63, which is still not 70. Then we need something closer to 5.7 million annually for five years to get to 81. All right, I know I just threw a lot of numbers at you and sorry I didn't prep you on that, but how should we be thinking about the allocation of funds? I think that's sort of the question that the mayor raised.
02:06:13.55	Councilmember Kelman	Do we look at two years? Do we look at three? Do we say it's five? If we allocate for five, how much work gets done in the first three years? Because assuming it's that Golden Gate Bridge problem again, we're constantly trying to fix it.
02:06:25.14	Councilmember Kelman	I'm not sure.
02:06:25.26	Director McGowan	It's a decent question. I did not bring my report that was generated in 2022 or 2022 to look at the PCI. That had a table in it which referenced the numbers that you're talking about. So not knowing exactly what the numbers are.
02:06:43.03	Director McGowan	The intent.
02:06:44.11	Director McGowan	you know, if you want to allocate more funding to improving our roadways, providing that money up front,
02:06:50.72	Director McGowan	I'm not sure if I'm answering your questions correctly, but how to prioritize it.
02:06:56.09	Director McGowan	I think I would start with what I mentioned before, which is that original report.
02:07:00.83	Director McGowan	Yeah.
02:07:01.00	Director McGowan	If we want to put this type of money into the roadway system, we have an idea of where we would apply that and how much money to put into it. More detail, more study would be needed exactly on whether to put the money into the roads versus facilities versus storm drains versus anything else that we might have, sidewalks, ADA.
02:07:24.09	Director McGowan	So I don't have a great answer for you. I do know that I have a report about our PCI that gives us an idea of how much money you should put into the roadways in order to improve the PCI.
02:07:34.95	Director McGowan	One thing I want to remind the council of as well is
02:07:38.63	Director McGowan	When you're looking at a roadway system, it probably is a better idea
02:07:43.12	Director McGowan	A better idea prioritization-wise is to look at the main roads that are used the most.
02:07:48.54	Director McGowan	So for us,
02:07:49.58	Director McGowan	Bridgeway.
02:07:51.15	Director McGowan	Put a big chunk of money into Bridgeway. It could be a micro seal throughout. It's not that expensive. But you improve the surface for all of those in Sausalito compared to, let's say, improving a specific roadway back up in the hills someplace. Sweet Briar came up today. And not many people use that road.
02:08:12.55	Director McGowan	So
02:08:13.70	Director McGowan	That may be something that we would want to look at, even though the report is citywide. For us as a city and your direction, we could move forward with, hey, let's put a lot of this emphasis on our main roadways. Let's make it better for everybody accessing Sausalito. Something to think about.
02:08:31.52	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you, Dr. McGowan. And just to note for the city manager, that's sort of a Chad question, right? Do we invest the $2 million, $5 million today, or do we only invest $3 million and then take $2 million and invest it elsewhere? What does that get us for PCI? So no need to respond, but that's for city manager.
02:08:46.96	Ian Sobieski	Mayor Mrakas- That's been often given any questions. Mayor Mrakas- i'm sorry.
02:08:50.18	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
02:08:50.98	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
02:08:51.06	Councilmember Kelman	Go after.
02:08:51.43	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
02:08:51.45	Ian Sobieski	That's fine.
02:08:51.68	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah.
02:08:51.82	Unknown	Thank you.
02:08:51.87	Councilmember Kelman	from.
02:08:51.97	Unknown	Thank you.
02:08:52.02	Councilmember Hoffman	Bye.
02:08:52.12	Unknown	Thank you.
02:08:52.17	Councilmember Hoffman	or.
02:08:52.24	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
02:08:52.44	Councilmember Kelman	you
02:08:52.58	Unknown	Thank you.
02:08:53.59	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you. And that's we did not coordinate this, but I do have a follow up because I had it in my notes, too, about the PCI. And I believe we talked about this at the July 16th, 2024 meeting where we were allocated only one point nine million. And that was actually reducing probably the PCI.
02:09:14.77	Councilmember Hoffman	um for sausage because we were not investing in a way just to keep it at a losing score of 58 and so that was something that we talked about at that meeting
02:09:24.71	Director McGowan	Yeah, I wouldn't say it reduces it. It's just the deterioration of our roadways is exceeding what we can improve.
02:09:31.98	Councilmember Hoffman	Right, so the roads would continue to deteriorate instead of even just keeping them even at just 1.95 million. So I think that coordinates with the questions that Council Member Kellman was asking you. And that was, and I was trying to find that report. I think that was in October of 2022, when you presented that report and asked for funding to increase, or what it would take to increase our payment index.
02:09:59.50	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
02:09:59.52	Director McGowan	Yeah.
02:09:59.59	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah.
02:10:00.77	Director McGowan	I can provide that to you.
02:10:03.10	Director McGowan	in my office.
02:10:04.30	Councilmember Hoffman	I understand something like that. Okay, my second question is a question I get asked all the time, and since you brought it up with your tree picture. So if there's a tree in the city right of way, and it's a member of the public is either concerned about it, about whether or not it looks like it's falling down or falling over.
02:10:04.69	Director McGowan	Mm-hmm.
02:10:26.99	Councilmember Hoffman	and they want it trimmed back or removed, what's the process for that?
02:10:31.89	Director McGowan	If the tree is leaning into the area where a vehicle travels, in other words, that 17-foot height that I noted on one of the slides, we would step in and either remove that tree or trim it to a point that we still provide that 17-foot height.
02:10:47.18	Director McGowan	However, if there's a tree that is leaning and doesn't infringe upon that particular envelope,
02:10:53.72	Director McGowan	We wouldn't generally not touch it. We would say it's yours, property owner, do with it.
02:10:58.80	Director McGowan	you know, follow the municipal code to deal with the tree itself.
02:11:02.75	Councilmember Hoffman	And so even though it's within the city right of way, it's up to the property owner who's concerned about it to pay for the removal. And they also have to get a permit from the city. Is that correct?
02:11:13.84	Director McGowan	Yes.
02:11:15.48	Councilmember Hoffman	So let me ask you also about the attachment three. This was, I think, a public comment was asked about this, at least one letter. Attachment three, line 11, the bridgeway bike lanes, which you alluded to and briefly discussed. But this is the project, the proposal is to remove the center median.
02:11:41.14	Councilmember Hoffman	the emergency access median center lane and and insert instead bike lanes on either side that's that project
02:11:49.88	Director McGowan	Yes, that's true. The way we are working with our consultant on this, this is a study, basically some conceptual study where they come up with alternatives, and that is one of them.
02:12:03.65	Councilmember Hoffman	And so, and that's what, and then if you go over the status of that, it says it's still active, even though there have been representations
02:12:10.45	Councilmember Hoffman	that that project is essentially
02:12:13.22	Councilmember Hoffman	I don't want to say dead because that's but it's it's taken off the table. But in fact, it is still active.
02:12:18.84	Councilmember Hoffman	And in the comments section,
02:12:22.60	Councilmember Hoffman	you say that or you and in fact i think you said this
02:12:26.91	Councilmember Hoffman	uh,
02:12:27.67	Councilmember Hoffman	just now that there's a meeting. There was an initial meeting at emergency services in October about the various parametric options.
02:12:35.83	Director McGowan	I think it was the last part of September, yes.
02:12:38.23	Councilmember Hoffman	The last of September.
02:12:39.60	Councilmember Hoffman	And there's a parametrics report that's from, I believe I just looked at it, I think it says October of 2024, sorry, September of 2024.
02:12:48.41	Director McGowan	It's actually a copy of a presentation. It's not a report specifically.
02:12:53.30	Councilmember Hoffman	But the date on that was September of 2024?
02:12:55.53	Director McGowan	Yeah.
02:12:56.49	Councilmember Hoffman	and the next meeting and so these these options are going to be presented to
02:13:02.21	Councilmember Hoffman	the next PBAC meeting,
02:13:05.06	Councilmember Hoffman	pedestrian and bicycle
02:13:07.32	Councilmember Hoffman	Advisory committee, sorry.
02:13:09.75	Councilmember Hoffman	scheduled for
02:13:11.78	Councilmember Hoffman	at some point in december do we have a date on that december 2nd it's a monday okay
02:13:18.80	Director McGowan	Yes. Thank you.
02:13:21.21	Councilmember Hoffman	And they will be looking at that presentation that includes removal of the Bridgeway Emergency Access Medium.
02:13:30.98	Director McGowan	That is one of the options that is being looked at, yes.
02:13:41.02	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, thank you. I don't think I have any questions. Thanks.
02:13:42.86	Council Member Lesting	Thank you.
02:13:46.61	Council Member Lesting	Oh, hi, Director McGowan. Thank you for being with us this evening. I appreciate it, and I appreciate your comprehensive...
02:13:52.75	Council Member Lesting	presentation and there are a couple of areas that I
02:13:55.38	Council Member Lesting	wanted to touch on so Councilmember Kellman asked a few really good questions around climate change mitigation and some of the challenges that we're dealing with and I wanted to bring up a couple of things on that. First of all, we had a landslide task force, which was convened a few years ago after the incident in 2015.
02:14:14.47	Council Member Lesting	or sorry 2017 and I was wondering if you had considered what the cost or how we might best implement some of the recommendations to address and assess landslides. might be in the context of the these these improvements, because I think improvements to mitigate for those types of disasters as part of our overarching infrastructure plan.
02:14:35.80	Director McGowan	Yes, we are still in communication with the landslide task force. After the last presentation from our consultant to your council, one of the recommendations they had was to develop a monitoring plan. We're moving forward with that at this point. We received two proposals. We are reviewing those at this point, and we would like to send them to the landslide task force to have them review it as well.
02:14:58.23	Director McGowan	That monitoring plan will identify certain areas that may be moving or may not be moving.
02:15:05.50	Director McGowan	And in order to answer your question,
02:15:08.01	Director McGowan	Um,
02:15:09.18	Director McGowan	We don't know exactly where we should
02:15:11.64	Director McGowan	be looking in the future of trying to stabilize some of our hillsides. But having a monitoring plan will help us to determine that.
02:15:19.34	Council Member Lesting	And if in if we move forward with an assessment to determine where there might be the highest risk, what sort of guidance would you need from us at the council level to set aside X amount of dollars to make an immediate response to a potential threat, for example?
02:15:35.01	Council Member Lesting	So I guess what I'm asking is, if you're doing an assessment for something like a landslide or you see an area where there's huge susceptibility to flooding, do you need from us an emergency amount in X dollars
02:15:47.25	Council Member Lesting	Should that arise or how would you access funding and what direction do you need from the council to be sure that you can do so, since we've determined that we really can expect monumentous climate events over the next several years.
02:15:59.68	Director McGowan	One of the frustrations of geologic issues is they don't always appear when you'd like them to appear.
02:16:08.86	Director McGowan	Water is a key issue. So water and soil and how those two move. If I were to see a roadway that's slipping today, moving right now,
02:16:11.31	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
02:16:23.63	Director McGowan	I could come to you as a council and say, hey, this is an emergency. Let's put aside...
02:16:28.44	Director McGowan	$500,000 for the designer to design something and then get something in right away.
02:16:34.23	Director McGowan	However,
02:16:35.75	Director McGowan	not knowing exactly where that is or the magnitude of that, it's hard for me to answer that question.
02:16:41.74	Director McGowan	So it could be anywhere from
02:16:44.07	Director McGowan	$500,000 as I suggested.
02:16:46.56	Director McGowan	and yes, I would come to you and ask for emergency action in order to take some measures.
02:16:52.27	Director McGowan	or it could be even larger.
02:16:54.06	Director McGowan	In my experience, not working here, I have had several occasions where I've had to ask people to vacate their houses due to something moving up above them on a roadway.
02:17:05.95	Director McGowan	And so red tagging their house has been one of the most difficult things I've had to do.
02:17:10.78	Director McGowan	However, it's been in the interest of public safety in order to do so, and in those cases, I have had to come to the council and say, we need to fix this, and we need to do it now. So, yes, if that does occur, I will come to the council and make a request.
02:17:25.27	Council Member Lesting	I would just ask staff, as we're making considerations about our budget, that maybe we have an emergency climate fund or some sort of plan for severe climate events or some sort of funding that's set aside for that. Because I think we need to start thinking bigger picture about what some of those events might look like. And that also demonstrates our emphasis on risk and taking the appropriate action. And then on climate, you mentioned the issue with this the signals and i think yes we need to improve those have you looked into grants specifically and i think you have done some of this and i know we've aggressively tried to get grants for these but there are some new very interesting smart city technologies as they relate to those signals i think we did apply for one of those grants not successfully
02:18:09.44	Council Member Lesting	Is there, okay, so we tried.
02:18:11.55	Director McGowan	We have tried several times. We may want to look in the future at certain grants that may change the dynamic, putting in roundabouts, putting in more safety measures, putting measures in that calm traffic and address safety issues instead of simply replacing a signal. So those are some of the things that I'd like to consider in the future.
02:18:11.71	Council Member Lesting	See him.
02:18:28.88	Lauren Mendelsohn	Thank you.
02:18:28.94	Unknown	So.
02:18:33.25	Director McGowan	As you mentioned, there have been some grants coming forward about technology and how do we improve technology for our signals so that they communicate with each other
02:18:41.77	Director McGowan	as well as communicate with us in the office that we could change things as we go.
02:18:46.41	Director McGowan	Thank you.
02:18:46.46	Director McGowan	So we're looking at those, and I think the county of Marin is seeking some grants on those as well.
02:18:51.13	Council Member Lesting	Yeah, I serve on our TAM board, and we've had conversations about that as well and how it adapts or changes VMT in general. And then I noticed, you know, you said being able to access roads, but there wasn't a lot of emphasis on ADA compliance more generally. And also just how we're making sure that our streets and roads are serving our seniors, our folks with disabilities, or people who generally can't necessarily access some of our stairways, for example. But I'm also thinking about in conversations that I had over the last several months with residents, one thing that came up from. generally can't necessarily access some of our stairways, for example. But I'm also thinking about in conversations that I had over the last several months with residents, one thing that came up from many seniors is there aren't
02:19:22.83	Council Member Lesting	benches for us to sit in parks, for example, like in the Robin Sweeney Park here. So I would ask, have you considered in the context of infrastructure an overarching ADA compliance plan or a
02:19:33.78	Council Member Lesting	Or could we look into that I connected our parking rec director to an organization called magical bridge that creates adaptive playgrounds.
02:19:40.46	Council Member Lesting	Is that something that
02:19:42.15	Council Member Lesting	you could consider as part of your overall infrastructure strategy and and how would we get that worked into our cip
02:19:48.31	Director McGowan	Absolutely. You bet. With all of our projects, especially roadway projects, we look at a complete streets approach. So the project on Coloma, which connects all the way to Olima, is the intent is to provide a sidewalk all the way up there to Rotary and provide that access. But additional benches, we welcome that. That's something, a low-hanging fruit that we can install at any time. We'll work with our
02:19:54.42	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
02:20:10.97	Director McGowan	our parks manager, in order to deal with that.
02:20:13.20	Council Member Lesting	Okay, great. Thank you. I will let, I know Mayor Sobieski had more questions. I have one more, but I'll, no.
02:20:22.73	Ian Sobieski	Hi, Director McGowan. Thanks. I actually had questions about roads and acceleration, but something Councilmember Hoffman brought up earlier.
02:20:28.92	Ian Sobieski	is what I want to start with.
02:20:32.03	Ian Sobieski	this media Bridgeway median issue.
02:20:35.39	Unknown	Thank you.
02:20:35.61	Unknown	Thank you.
02:20:35.64	Ian Sobieski	I'm confused because it's the first time we've heard it back here at the council since city council gave direction. And I thought, why is this median removal even worse?
02:20:46.31	Ian Sobieski	being proposed. What is going on there? I thought that we sent it back with direction to study the area and to look at ways to improve the safety.
02:20:54.47	Ian Sobieski	of the area.
02:20:55.82	Ian Sobieski	and to improve the circulation.
02:20:57.92	Ian Sobieski	and to improve the parking. I think we had a bunch of criteria. I forgot what they all wore, but we didn't send it back with the goal of removing the median. So what's going on?
02:21:06.64	Director McGowan	that it's not a goal to remove the median. The goal is to improve bicycle access through that corridor. And we have asked our consultant, parametrics, to look at different options and bring that back to the council. That's what we're intending to do.
02:21:23.41	Ian Sobieski	So there are.
02:21:23.67	Director McGowan	The removal of the meeting is only one of those options.
02:21:26.45	Ian Sobieski	So there are several options and that's just, that's one of them. Yes.
02:21:28.34	Director McGowan	Yes.
02:21:29.47	Director McGowan	Yes.
02:21:29.86	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
02:21:30.20	Ian Sobieski	uh,
02:21:31.67	Ian Sobieski	Okay. And that's just the way you frame the problem to them, I guess.
02:21:36.44	Director McGowan	Are you asking me a question? Yeah.
02:21:38.79	Ian Sobieski	Yeah, is that the way you framed the, I'm trying to understand, did you come up with it, were those concepts coming from parametrics, or are they coming from you or someone else? Coming from parametrics.
02:21:46.84	Ian Sobieski	Okay.
02:21:48.44	Ian Sobieski	I also seem to recall, and I'm sorry, I don't have the notes because I didn't, but,
02:21:53.33	Ian Sobieski	I thought that we were directing general safety improvements to that area. So I haven't heard any mention of crosswalks or speed calming or bollards to prevent people from driving off the road and running into buildings. Is that going to be part of this report?
02:22:09.25	Director McGowan	I would have to dive into the RFP a little bit more, and I can get back to you on that.
02:22:14.73	Ian Sobieski	My recollection was that that's where direction. And then just in terms of the presentation,
02:22:19.91	Ian Sobieski	Why is it coming to P-back? There's a lot of public interest in this. There was a petition going around about people very concerned about emergency access.
02:22:28.05	Ian Sobieski	uh,
02:22:29.29	Ian Sobieski	I understand the normal course of business
02:22:31.81	Ian Sobieski	You know, those are the volunteers from EDAC or PBAC and sustainability that might
02:22:37.02	Ian Sobieski	take a look at something that's, well, frankly, a little bit dull and doesn't have a lot of public interest. But this is something that has huge public interest. Why would your first presentation of this information not be in some sort of
02:22:46.83	Ian Sobieski	more open setting where many people are invited, like at Spinnaker or at City Hall.
02:22:51.84	Director McGowan	We would be glad to do that. We are in control of the PBAC meetings. And so we thought that would be a good place to start, but we would be happy to make other presentations.
02:23:02.07	Ian Sobieski	Okay, so you're open to that thought of maybe doing a special presentation for people that are interested in the subject, not necessarily at something that has...
02:23:10.81	Ian Sobieski	that's an established commission okay that's a decision i guess you can we can either give direction on that or you guys can consider it so okay well thank you for that clarification uh it is a matter of great there are people that are very want to know what's going on so i hope we'll communicate directly with them uh forthrightly uh so on the roads business uh
02:23:35.71	Ian Sobieski	I know you don't have some of the numbers that Councilmember Calment asked about but
02:23:40.69	Ian Sobieski	Could we actually get
02:23:42.16	Ian Sobieski	in a format what we're able to achieve with the money that we have. So we have 8 million, 8.5 million unallocated on our balance sheet. We have 5 million in our CIP.
02:23:53.36	Ian Sobieski	But neither of those numbers is going to get us to the PCI of 70. Was that what the number you said? 70, it sounds like. So what are the range? We're making a decision or being asked in part in this meeting or in the future to make a decision about
02:24:08.32	Ian Sobieski	whether to accelerate our Measure L spending
02:24:12.70	Ian Sobieski	by some amount of money. And it kind of goes to the question of economies of scale that you brought up. So if we spend it all at once, how much more roadway could we get paved versus spreading it out over eight years?
02:24:24.62	Ian Sobieski	But that's kind of a quantitative thing. Is there a way of getting an actual presentation where we can choose among those options quantitatively?
02:24:32.97	Director McGowan	I can work on that.
02:24:34.64	Ian Sobieski	Okay.
02:24:35.72	Ian Sobieski	All right.
02:24:37.07	Ian Sobieski	I think that's all I had at the moment.
02:24:38.47	Ian Sobieski	Oh, no, I have one more question, which is,
02:24:40.58	Ian Sobieski	I know you mentioned complete streets, and that's a concept I've heard about, and I see it in terms of
02:24:46.00	Ian Sobieski	like turning radius and pedestrian safety.
02:24:49.41	Ian Sobieski	But in Sausalito, we have a lot of narrow streets. I live on one of them.
02:24:52.78	Ian Sobieski	the Bay City's
02:24:55.19	Ian Sobieski	a trash truck can barely get down Harrison at the point where I live. And sometimes they have to honk on the horn to get someone who parked to move their car. But there are other streets in town that are much wider than 32 feet. And I'm wondering if...
02:25:07.63	Ian Sobieski	if there's any assessment being done about the lifetime costs that could be saved by narrowing those streets to 32 feet or some other number. Could there be any analysis done of that?
02:25:20.73	Director McGowan	We can do whatever analysis you asked me to do.
02:25:23.21	Ian Sobieski	Yeah.
02:25:23.88	Ian Sobieski	Well, I mean, we have this goal, of course, of trying to do more with less with a certain amount of budgeted dollars. So it ties to Congressman Kelman's question, giving her promotion. Councilmember Kelman's, which is, you know, we have these sustainability and resiliency goals and treatment of stormwater and whatnot. And so there are these notions of building bioswales and landscape features on the edges of roadways so that it can treat stormwater. That's land we don't need to pave as well. And I'm wondering, in your pro forma, we don't have any of that, I think, built into the current 24, 25 CIP for streets. But if we wanted to build that into the 2526, what would we have to decide to do? Like what kind of direction would you need from city council and resources to have that
02:26:15.22	Ian Sobieski	detail of modernity in our street design.
02:26:17.66	Director McGowan	You know, I'm not too sure I understand your question. We are limited by the terrain and Sausalito of what we can and what we cannot build.
02:26:27.86	Director McGowan	The intent on certain streets like Coloma that's already wide enough can accommodate some of the things that you're suggesting. But if you're asking for us to take a look at all the streets in Sausalito in order to put in bioswales and to have
02:26:43.87	Director McGowan	two lanes of traffic all the way through. I don't think that's
02:26:47.51	Director McGowan	Is that what you're asking me to look at? No, thank you.
02:26:48.83	Ian Sobieski	No, thank you. And thanks for that answer. For sure not across town. I just met in places where
02:26:53.35	Ian Sobieski	in some where appropriate in town, where we do have the room and where we could save the money, where we basically have more asphalt than we need for vehicular traffic. Do we look at, do we look through that lens at some of these streets, about where they can actually be narrowed to save money and improve our sustainability goals?
02:27:10.79	Director McGowan	We can. We have to look at what our intent is. Is our intent to try to resurface the streets that we have or make significant changes to them along the way?
02:27:19.75	Director McGowan	So it depends upon what your design approach is.
02:27:22.97	Director McGowan	If we're looking at simply improving our PCI, that just means to me, let's resurface, let's move this thing forward, and keep the streets as they are as far as width, and try to address our complete streets approach on what we have. But if your direction is to take a look at specific streets to try to make those type of improvements, such as Bridgeway, maybe taking out a lane in one direction, and making it one way all the way from, let's say, Harbor, all the way to Napa Street,
02:27:52.69	Director McGowan	We can look at that.
02:27:55.50	Director McGowan	Mayor, if I can.
02:27:55.62	Ian Sobieski	So you had one direction from us about whether to look at some of those details, and I'm hearing that. So thank you very much, Director.
02:28:01.33	Chris Zapata	Mayor, if I can add to that, I'd like to kind of weigh in if I can.
02:28:01.39	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
02:28:01.58	Ian Sobieski	Mayor, if I can answer.
02:28:02.84	Ian Sobieski	I liked.
02:28:05.82	Ian Sobieski	as a city manager.
02:28:07.03	Chris Zapata	Yeah, I think what Director McGowan said is citywide is probably not an approach we'd recommend, but on a specific basis where we believe there is an ability to put a road on a diet, you call them a road diet, and do things that shrink the asphalt responsibilities or shrink some of the commitments and look at things that are environmentally advantageous on a citywide basis. I heard him say that's probably not a wise approach, but on certain parts of the town, we certainly could look at that. So I am not always...
02:28:53.20	Chris Zapata	one of those wonks that gets into these things. But I do believe that there is an opportunity to shrink some of our roads and lessen some of our outgo for pavement and improve their environmental design so that we can, in fact, have a little bit of both, better roads and something that is less costly in the future. So I call them road diets. You can look at them. Certain cities have gone through exercises to take wider streets and create bulb outs that create more safety or landscaping that creates more beauty. But at the same time, it doesn't leave the road the way it is but I think in Sausalito you do have challenges with the topography here a lot of our roads are already narrow but where it may make sense we shouldn't take that off the table
02:29:48.48	Councilmember Kelman	Mayor, can I help with that just real quick? So the city of Vancouver had a green infrastructure team that went ahead and created a rainway. So they took a median in the road, and they actually were able to use different directional perennials that they planted of native species to be able to redirect water that was coming down in large portions off a hillside or even on a flatter area. And then they had a big rain event. It was very successful. I think where I'm going to speak for you, Mayor. The Mayor and I are going with this is it's a different lens. So it's not about an engineering solution. It is a climate solution to an engineering problem.
02:30:26.84	Councilmember Kelman	um and so it's a it's a much different way of approaching some of our
02:30:31.11	Councilmember Kelman	that doesn't require necessarily changing the diameter
02:30:35.65	Councilmember Kelman	the size of the roadway
02:30:37.71	Councilmember Kelman	but it changes how we treat the roadway.
02:30:39.73	Councilmember Kelman	and what we're trying to treat it for. And so I know all of us who live in the hills have massive runoff every time there's a big storm event.
02:30:45.57	Councilmember Kelman	that's either draining into the bay or into our neighbor's yard.
02:30:48.90	Councilmember Kelman	There are ways to mitigate that through using native species and perennials that are strategically planted. So let me just offer, and I see right behind you that Katie's there. I'll offer my friend as the sustainability director at the City of Vancouver. Let me offer a conversation with her. It's a really impressive project, so I don't expect you to know all about it, but I'd be happy to help with that.
02:31:08.88	Director McGowan	I like that stuff. That'd be fun.
02:31:10.87	Councilmember Kelman	It's cool, and it actually saves us money in the long run, and it creates more green spaces for the community, which I think is better for our health.
02:31:19.71	Ian Sobieski	Yeah, I think so, Councilmember Hoffman.
02:31:22.17	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you. This is a follow-up on the Bridgeway emergency access median and the Bridgeway bike lane issue, which is the same thing. And so I'm looking at the parametrics report that you sent out this afternoon to the full council. Okay.
02:31:41.14	Councilmember Hoffman	Oh, sorry, I'm sorry, the presentation, the paramedic presentation of their review that was directed by the city council.
02:31:48.09	Councilmember Hoffman	And on page six, it shows three plans, two of which include removal of the bridgeway bike lane and insertion
02:31:56.41	Councilmember Hoffman	of
02:31:57.26	Councilmember Hoffman	bike lanes,
02:31:58.72	Councilmember Hoffman	The only...
02:31:59.67	Councilmember Hoffman	plan that I see on page six that includes keeping the emergency center median is
02:32:08.88	Councilmember Hoffman	a new 9.5 foot
02:32:12.39	Councilmember Hoffman	seawall or sidewalk.
02:32:14.81	Councilmember Hoffman	Is that your understanding of what the parametric's conclusion was after their review?
02:32:18.87	Director McGowan	Thank you for clarifying that. I don't have that in front of me, but it sounds like you've looked at it and that sounds correct.
02:32:24.63	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
02:32:24.78	Director McGowan	Thank you.
02:32:24.83	Councilmember Hoffman	Thanks.
02:32:25.91	Councilmember Hoffman	And the next question I have then is the street diet. Do we have an idea about what streets we're thinking of for that effort or removing lanes or removing parking?
02:32:40.19	Director McGowan	Our PBEC has mentioned a few in the past, and I mentioned it earlier, of considering reducing Bridgeway to one lane in each direction from Harbor all the way over to Napa. I'm not too sure that was just in a discussion. It wasn't necessarily anything that has been pursued. We'd have to look at other streets like Coloma, which is a wide street that has opportunities on at least one side where we have MLK. That's a good street to look at this stuff.
02:33:09.85	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
02:33:09.94	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
02:33:10.04	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
02:33:12.89	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, thank you.
02:33:16.48	Ian Sobieski	Yeah, I guess I just have to ask, because again, this is news to me. I remember distinctly when we,
02:33:21.97	Ian Sobieski	sent that back to parametrics to study that there were supposed to be other things to look at like just painting bike lanes still a shared shared bike car lane no separate bike lane but being able to do that design so that we would meet the requirements of the grant and be able to install things like crosswalks and speed bumps and bollards uh but it sounds like from what you're saying that that was not studied uh and is not part of the discussion
02:33:51.35	Director McGowan	I'll be glad to look at the RFP and get back to you on that.
02:33:55.28	Ian Sobieski	Okay.
02:33:55.97	Ian Sobieski	you
02:33:56.14	Ian Sobieski	Well, again, I hope when it does come that it can come to the public and that it does comply with the direction that the city council gave on that work. On the thing that Council Member Kuhlman brought up and that we're sharing, these are just examples just to get your comment on, like this is an example of some stormwater treatment versions on the edges of parkways, of roadways. And so the thought is they look a lot like just what is there now, but the details matter, right? Having this kind of ability for stormwater to, instead of being draining down the street and into our storm drains, and then infiltrating our sewer storm drain system, the water can drain into a catchment that
02:34:43.71	Ian Sobieski	is there on the on the edges. And so
02:34:46.63	Ian Sobieski	the question is what kind of direction you need from us to simply consider this nothing so radical as like,
02:34:53.72	Ian Sobieski	this radical notion of reducing the width of bridgeway, which is certainly a,
02:34:57.62	Ian Sobieski	you know, first time I've heard that, but just
02:34:59.84	Ian Sobieski	in places where the streets wider than it's needed, where you don't lose any parking and you don't affect circulation in a negative way, how do we get this to be a part of your design assessment of
02:35:10.34	Director McGowan	We've already included this in some of our projects already.
02:35:13.58	Ian Sobieski	Okay.
02:35:13.60	Director McGowan	Okay.
02:35:13.78	Director McGowan	Ferry Landside already has a bioretention area.
02:35:13.82	Unknown	Thank you.
02:35:16.97	Director McGowan	So when we have projects that can accommodate something like this, we would be happy to include it.
02:35:22.27	Ian Sobieski	So do you need more direction from us to do that, or is this already part of that's my question is it already part of your assessment whenever you look at a street pavement to look for opportunities to do this sort of thing.
02:35:32.89	Director McGowan	The way you phrase that isn't necessarily how I would look at it.
02:35:37.07	Director McGowan	There's other criterias. How big is the road? Can it accommodate this? So when we look at resurfacing, sure, we would try to incorporate this as much as we can. But I've conveyed to your council and you, Mayor, that we need a wider area in order to deal with this. So Coloma Street is a good example. We could try to include that in some of the planting strips so that we have a bioretention area.
02:36:03.11	Ian Sobieski	Okay. Anything else? Couchs are coming? Yep. Go ahead.
02:36:09.22	Councilmember Hoffman	I think there's a couple of examples, and I could be wrong, and forgive me if I am, but I think that there are a couple of bioswales, one bioswale, well, two, actually at Dunphy Park in between the parking rows, and then there's another one at
02:36:24.44	Councilmember Hoffman	parking lot two right next to the Center for the Arts, there's a bioswale there as well. Yeah, absolutely.
02:36:30.83	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah.
02:36:32.59	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, thank you.
02:36:33.84	Councilmember Kelman	So follow, thanks for that. Follow on the mayor's comments. Kevin, how can we as members of the community, just not just council members, but members of the community help provide
02:36:45.19	Councilmember Kelman	sort of on-site feedback for what we're seeing beyond the Fix-It app. You know, we have some wonderful members who are out there fixing staircases on a frequent basis. You know, right up here at the top of B Street, there's a staircase. And immediately to the north of the staircase is a pretty large, I don't know what to call it other than a slew for water. And when it rains, that comes down in a pretty heavy fashion. And I know that that homeowner and the people across the street are very unhappy about that. How might one report that or how does that get conveyed to you in a meaningful fashion?
02:37:21.04	Director McGowan	any way you can, you can reach out to me via phone or email is usually best. That particular property is not owned by the city, so it has a bit of a background to it.
02:37:30.15	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
02:37:30.42	Director McGowan	So whether we can get on that property to do improvements or not is we'd have to double check on the ownership. And we've had trouble trying to contact the actual owner in the past. So that may be a specific case.
02:37:43.58	Director McGowan	But I welcome anything that the public can do. Give me a heads up.
02:37:47.46	Director McGowan	Try to work with them on that.
02:37:49.28	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, yeah, note to Sergio since he's here, that property is currently listed as being owned by the Sausalito Ferry Company. By attempts to reach that individual have been impossible for 40 years. So I think we file a quick claim deed and own that property.
02:38:06.50	Ian Sobieski	Any other questions? All right, we'll close the Q&A. Can we get public comment, Mr. City Clerk?
02:38:15.97	Unknown	Peter Van Meter.
02:38:24.11	Peter Van Meter	Thank you. You obviously have a lot of very critical decisions on priorities and you've touched on a lot of creative ideas here tonight. I'm going to suggest one item that's going to be separate from all the discussion you've had so far, because it can be leapfrogged ahead of all of this without costing you additional money out of the alternatives you've been considering.
02:38:46.71	Peter Van Meter	I'm talking about the reconstruction of parking lot number one.
02:38:50.61	Peter Van Meter	and not using the other funds you've been discussing about,
02:38:53.51	Peter Van Meter	but using Thailand funds that you have available for that work.
02:38:57.44	Peter Van Meter	We have a beautiful new plaza that's been completed and you have that garbage, trashy looking parking lot.
02:39:02.98	Peter Van Meter	It is gonna be a total bad sore in the face of the Sausalito and the public.
02:39:08.73	Peter Van Meter	You need to consider a resurfacing that includes perhaps permeable surface.
02:39:14.01	Peter Van Meter	You need to take out those trees, you've got root problems.
02:39:16.82	Peter Van Meter	You've got many portions of those trees that are dying back.
02:39:19.80	Peter Van Meter	And so you've got to have a complete landscaping plan as well as repaving plan. I think that you can direct city staff immediately.
02:39:29.12	Peter Van Meter	to get the design underway. So that project can be under construction early next year after the rainy season is over. So we have completed the downtown vision.
02:39:40.78	Peter Van Meter	with the rework of that parking lot along with the plaza. Thank you.
02:39:46.60	Unknown	All right.
02:39:47.76	Unknown	Next speaker online, Sandra Bushmaker.
02:39:55.06	Sandra Bushmaker	Good evening, everybody. Excuse me, I have a nasty cold.
02:39:58.65	Sandra Bushmaker	I just wanted to speak on the median removal project.
02:40:04.40	Sandra Bushmaker	I hear it referred to as the Bridgeway bike lane, but it's really the median removal project that has tremendous public resistance.
02:40:13.70	Sandra Bushmaker	And I want to emphasize the need for a public hearing
02:40:18.11	Sandra Bushmaker	Having it discussed publicly at PBAC is insufficient, in my opinion.
02:40:23.73	Sandra Bushmaker	Because there's such strong resistance to this
02:40:26.90	Sandra Bushmaker	removal of the median, there has to be a full
02:40:31.07	Sandra Bushmaker	public hearing in this to give the members of the public an opportunity to speak.
02:40:36.92	Sandra Bushmaker	In relation to this,
02:40:38.74	Sandra Bushmaker	One of the previous parametrics reports referred to a report
02:40:43.84	Sandra Bushmaker	that they had completed as job done a public safety officers concerns. That report was never attached to the report submitted to the council.
02:40:54.81	Sandra Bushmaker	I am unaware of a public records request
02:40:59.28	Sandra Bushmaker	that finally revealed
02:41:01.58	Sandra Bushmaker	the content of that report from the public officers
02:41:06.20	Sandra Bushmaker	And I'd like to know when that report is going to be made public.
02:41:10.28	Sandra Bushmaker	And I also would like to speak to in support of traffic calming efforts along the the Bridgeway
02:41:18.82	Sandra Bushmaker	main portion of Bridgeway between Richardson and Princess.
02:41:24.20	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you very much.
02:41:28.68	Unknown	Next speaker is Babette McDougall.
02:41:37.45	Babette McDougall	Hello again. So can you hear me all right?
02:41:41.96	Unknown	Yes.
02:41:42.90	Babette McDougall	Thank you so much.
02:41:44.24	Babette McDougall	Um,
02:41:45.53	Babette McDougall	First of all, I want to just really say that I have enjoyed this meeting this evening.
02:41:50.63	Babette McDougall	And I'd like to offer a tip of my hat to you, Mr. Mayor.
02:41:54.29	Babette McDougall	I think you've run a really tight
02:41:56.44	Babette McDougall	Well,
02:41:57.31	Babette McDougall	concisely run meeting.
02:41:59.42	Babette McDougall	And we're all learning good things from it.
02:42:01.82	Babette McDougall	Now, as regard to this current issue that we're discussing, thanks to our Director of
02:42:06.44	Babette McDougall	Public Works. I just want to say thank you for all the work and improvement that we already see happening in our town.
02:42:14.58	Babette McDougall	Thank you, thank you, thank you.
02:42:16.21	Babette McDougall	So I only want to throw out one thing. There's been a few things tossed out.
02:42:20.79	Babette McDougall	And I want to throw out this 2023 law.
02:42:25.19	Babette McDougall	Senate Bill number 413, which I know you all know about,
02:42:29.09	Babette McDougall	says that it's illegal in california to park within twenty feet of the approach of any marked or unmarked crosswalk whether or not there is a red curb painted or a sign and i raise this because
02:42:44.73	Babette McDougall	Um,
02:42:45.80	Babette McDougall	A lot of this work has already started around our town, I've seen, especially getting as far as the red lines going.
02:42:53.15	Babette McDougall	on either side of the crosswalk. But the 20 foot thing really matters because there's so many big trucks that are parking in my neighborhood still that you honestly cannot see the stop signs. And a lot of people just breeze right through them.
02:43:06.96	Babette McDougall	And then if you ask them later, well, why'd you do that? They say, well, I didn't see until it was too late.
02:43:11.99	Babette McDougall	So it's something to think about. The other thing that I'd like to just throw out
02:43:16.24	Babette McDougall	is this, I loved what Councilmember Kelman had to say about
02:43:20.59	Babette McDougall	this climate solution to an engineering problem.
02:43:24.96	Babette McDougall	I think the more we allow that kind of thinking into our solutions, the better off we're going to be in the long run, like sponge shorelines as opposed to seawalls. It turns out seawalls are failing everywhere in the world.
02:43:41.82	Unknown	All right.
02:43:42.16	Unknown	Next speaker is Kieran Culligan.
02:43:46.41	Kieran Culligan	Hey there, Kieran Kelligan, Saucyuta resident.
02:43:48.92	Kieran Culligan	So glad you're talking about infrastructure tonight. Props for Babette just before us mentioning AB 413. That's the daylighting bill all about pedestrian safety. We can take care of it locally, but the state took care of it for us. So things will be safer when we cross the street.
02:44:04.10	Kieran Culligan	So much of our built environment is dated, to put it nicely, not just in terms of deterioration, but in terms of design. So what might have seemed cutting edge in the 50s, 60s, 70s, it's now a chain around our necks.
02:44:15.23	Kieran Culligan	Road designs that encourage unsafe speeds, long stretches within the crosswalks. One of the most popular cycling towns in the world with barely any dedicated infrastructure for it. Impermeal surfaces galore. Rip rap that's out of whack. I mean, we've got a lot to do. So when we think about how are we going to take a new look at things or are we just going to pour new asphalt? I think it's pretty clear what we need to be doing. It's gonna be a mix of both, but we need to be challenging ourselves. Take Bridgeway. The travel lanes are too wide. The sidewalks are too narrow. The bike lanes where they exist are half gutter and people don't feel safe riding there.
02:44:48.46	Kieran Culligan	We have more lanes than we need south of harbor if we had some roundabouts and a different way of looking at it. If we aren't shaking things up, we aren't doing things right.
02:44:56.05	Kieran Culligan	Change is hard, I know, but change is leadership.
02:44:59.21	Kieran Culligan	We can do so much better to promote safety, community, environmental stewardship, wellness, resiliency. The list goes on. So please, city council members, city staff, residents, please keep this in mind as we're designing, reviewing, approving projects because we can make this place so much better. Thank you.
02:45:20.12	Unknown	All right, next speaker is Adrian Brinton.
02:45:25.45	Sarah Schrader	I think they're positive people.
02:45:27.56	Adrian Brinton	Hi, yeah, thanks for taking my comment. I just wanted to start by saying thank you to the city staff for all the work that you've done.
02:45:34.23	Adrian Brinton	In the last year, there's been a lot of discussion about infrastructure, and a lot of it makes it kind of sound like things are standing still.
02:45:40.39	Adrian Brinton	So they're not, you know, they're moving forward really quickly. And it's great to see the list of things that are happening.
02:45:45.48	Adrian Brinton	in this current year as well.
02:45:47.79	Adrian Brinton	I noticed in the comments attached to the agenda, there were a lot of negative comments about
02:45:52.99	Adrian Brinton	kind of, you're telling the city to stop wasting money because the priorities are to fix the infrastructure
02:45:58.63	Adrian Brinton	And I just wanted to comment on that because I think
02:46:00.92	Adrian Brinton	A lot of the money that has been spent in those initiatives
02:46:06.42	Adrian Brinton	is about growing the economy. And one of the comments that came up in the meeting is that we need an extra
02:46:11.82	Adrian Brinton	up to 5.8 million a year to be able to really get our infrastructure to a level that's sustainable and that is actually something we can be proud of.
02:46:19.18	Adrian Brinton	And how do we get that money? We have to grow our economy to get that money.
02:46:23.03	Adrian Brinton	Really happy to see us.
02:46:24.58	Adrian Brinton	supporting priorities.
02:46:26.60	Adrian Brinton	and policies
02:46:29.49	Adrian Brinton	that help grow the economy.
02:46:31.47	Adrian Brinton	And I think we need to continue to be doing that.
02:46:34.84	Adrian Brinton	Um,
02:46:35.55	Adrian Brinton	Seeing the sustainable paving solutions, that's great. The road diet's amazing. I want to echo
02:46:41.22	Adrian Brinton	Mr. Culligan's comments about, we can't just do the same old thing.
02:46:46.11	Adrian Brinton	Asia infrastructure and in a way that's a blessing because now we have to replace a lot of it and we can actually do it in a way.
02:46:51.61	Adrian Brinton	that's more sustainable and will actually service better going into the future.
02:46:55.55	Adrian Brinton	So yeah, a lot of work to do,
02:46:57.66	Adrian Brinton	a lot of pretty exciting stuff. Again, Mr. Van Meter's comments about paving parking lot one,
02:47:03.17	Adrian Brinton	The King parking lot one was one of our top priorities in the infrastructure plan.
02:47:07.59	Adrian Brinton	not last year, but the year before, and it seems to have maybe dropped off
02:47:11.95	Adrian Brinton	that list and I think it should definitely be up near the top because again
02:47:15.54	Adrian Brinton	It's a risk. There's a lot of outdated
02:47:19.04	Adrian Brinton	pigment that needs to be replaced.
02:47:21.16	Adrian Brinton	Thank you.
02:47:23.90	Unknown	No further public comment.
02:47:25.79	Unknown	So,
02:47:25.97	Ian Sobieski	Okay, we'll close. Is there any discussion or discussion on the council?
02:47:29.77	Councilmember Kelman	or yes.
02:47:31.96	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
02:47:32.05	Ian Sobieski	Do you want to kick us off?
02:47:33.77	Councilmember Kelman	I'll start. I think it's about staff. Thank you, first of all. Director McGowan, thank you for taking all our questions
02:47:41.40	Councilmember Kelman	helping us navigate and thank you the city manager as well for helping prep that. Great conversation. Thank you all over here as well. I think it's simple roads and resilience. That's what we focus on. Just keep it super simple. Our roads and
02:47:55.96	Councilmember Kelman	are in not great shape in a lot of areas, and we need some infrastructure and some improvements for sure. I think everybody acknowledges that, but we also need some better criteria for how we weigh those options, and I think it has to expand beyond the current criteria around simply engineering, but also risk management as well as climate solutions. So sort of two specific things. uh one is i think we should direct staff or put it on the record to prioritize green infrastructure you as well as climate solutions. So two specific things. One is I think we should direct staff or put it on the record to prioritize green infrastructure in our planning and find grant funding opportunities to pilot a project similar to what we see in Vancouver. I think as a hillside community, having ways to manage our water and our runoff is really, really important. I think the second is, and I think think I use the Bridgeway median project as an example try to apply different frameworks to these existing problems. I whole hardly agree with the mayor this needs to be a public hearing it can't just go through a committee even though it's a Brown Knight committee but from my perspective I think the solution is probably raising that sidewalk and making that a coastal resilience project. And if we keep looking at it as a traffic project, we will get a traffic solution. So I think we have to acknowledge that that area,
02:49:14.26	Councilmember Kelman	is flooding will flood that riprap is not good enough the aerial long spinnaker drive currently floods at high tide so i think we just need to start talking about it differently and then maybe as kieran and adrian mentioned we will do things that are different and better long term so i said everything else thank you very much for indulging us appreciate the conversation
02:49:33.51	Ian Sobieski	I'm just going to dovetail on that before handing it off to just
02:49:36.94	Ian Sobieski	double up on the resiliency guide to our projects.
02:49:40.50	Ian Sobieski	I understand there are some examples around town where we've done it, like the bioswale next to the new ferry landing and lot two. But I don't think any of our upcoming projects for 24, 25 that are due to be finished in June actually have those elements, or at least I haven't seen them. So I would love that to be a direction from us, that it be a checkbox on the design. Has it been considered whether we can adapt elements of resiliency and stormwater treatment through some design elements? So I would like to second that if there's a third, then that would be an actual direction. I'll leave other people to comment whether they chime in if they want to or not.
02:50:21.27	Ian Sobieski	Similarly on, on Bridgeway, you know, this, this, uh,
02:50:25.28	Ian Sobieski	And I am concerned that, at least from what I'm hearing, maybe some of the direction of city council hasn't been
02:50:30.80	Ian Sobieski	done by our parametrics consultant. And I want to be sure that
02:50:35.23	Ian Sobieski	Staff goes back to what the direction from city council was for that project and that they are sure that they that their work is complete when it is complete. It definitely should be presented at a public hearing.
02:50:46.77	Ian Sobieski	where the many members of the public, dozens or hundreds who signed a petition around the median are invited to attend. And that would be the first and appropriate place to unveil that work and to let the people that did the work answer questions from members of the public that are interested in that subject. It shouldn't be done.
02:51:07.02	Ian Sobieski	uh,
02:51:07.69	Ian Sobieski	just at the PPAC. Then third, I would just say,
02:51:12.11	Ian Sobieski	in favor of the idea of accelerating road repair.
02:51:15.67	Ian Sobieski	I think the devil's in the details about the tradeoff between using funds for infrastructure improvement, which definitely has pros, versus other priorities of the city, whether it be early pay down of some of our pension obligation or even just greater financial resilience by having a deeper balance sheet in the face of uncertainty. So those should all be weighed against each other. But nominally, it seems as though our government has been run conservatively for many years. That's how we
02:51:46.39	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
02:51:46.74	Ian Sobieski	It's during that time we could have been spending a little bit more on infrastructure regularly. So this, in a sense, would be a bit of a catch up if we did that. It definitely gives us some options. And I think we should use those options. Who else would like to comment? Vice Mayor.
02:52:00.44	Unknown	Thank you, Mayor. I fully understand and appreciate all of the feedback that we've gotten about accelerating our roads program. And I also respect the perspective that we don't perhaps need to preserve our entire $8 million unallocated fund balance. But I think we also have to be mindful that we've had various unforeseen issues arise every year since 2019. We had the 2019 landslide, the 2020 COVID epidemic, the 2021 homeless encampment. And this year we lost our insurance and, you know, we're looking at spending $2 million more.
02:52:40.83	Unknown	than we did in prior years. And we're rapidly approaching the zenith in our annual pension obligations. And so I don't believe our 25% reserve alone is necessarily adequate to protect the city against future unforeseen issues. And so I don't believe we should exhaust our unallocated fund balance in the interest of addressing what we perceive as...
02:53:07.52	Unknown	urgent needs. I think
02:53:09.77	Unknown	in evaluating how best to leverage the Council's cash and borrowing power to address as quickly as possible the various types of deferred maintenance and infrastructure repairs required.
02:53:24.72	Unknown	we have to undertake a holistic approach that includes an evaluation of the various issues identified tonight. Streets, including PCI index, climate tech assessment and recommendation,
02:53:39.45	Unknown	Facilities Evaluation that will be completed in January 2025.
02:53:43.84	Unknown	storm drains assessment that we expect to have in three to four months, sea level rise assessment,
02:53:49.73	Unknown	existing stairs
02:53:51.50	Unknown	Landslide Task Force Report.
02:53:54.23	Unknown	Geologic Hazard Report.
02:53:56.75	Unknown	the 2019 ADA transition plan that we already
02:54:00.66	Unknown	committed to undertake.
02:54:02.60	Unknown	and resources needed to fund resident repair of sidewalks. So I don't think we can make a decision to invest funds this year to take our streets from a PCI index of 58 to 70 without also factoring in
02:54:18.46	Unknown	to account these other infrastructure needs and identifying which of them are most emergent. So what I'd like to see is a menu of options informed by each of those 10 data points, coupled with a sources and uses chart
02:54:34.87	Unknown	to see how we can most efficiently and swiftly address the most urgent needs. So for example,
02:54:40.55	Unknown	We to address.
02:54:41.63	Unknown	gate 5 drainage issues and or resurface lot 1, we could rely in part on tidelands funds. To address various capital projects, we can rely on the $5 million in our capital improvement budget together with Measure L funds.
02:54:55.81	Unknown	And I find the idea of a private placement relying on the
02:55:01.72	Unknown	revenue stream from Measure L funds to repay that
02:55:07.60	Unknown	private placement.
02:55:09.49	Unknown	very intriguing.
02:55:11.49	Unknown	I do endorse what the city manager said about this council.
02:55:15.72	Unknown	giving direction not to increase taxes on our residents in order to address our deferred maintenance and infrastructure needs.
02:55:27.48	Unknown	To address a wider range of roads, we should rely on a slurry seal rather than removing and replacing concrete. Or perhaps we find some middle ground. I just read about polyester concrete that was used on the Richmond Bridge. To address crumbling storm drains, can we avoid excavation by simply lining aging pipes? So I think that to undertake informed decision-making, we need to be able to create a patchwork quilt of all of these competing needs. And I, of course, endorse seeking additional grant funding to close the gap.
02:56:00.91	Unknown	Thank you.
02:56:00.96	Unknown	on some of the infrastructure needs Soslito is facing.
02:56:04.96	Unknown	Regarding the Bridgeway Bikeway project, you know, it has often been our approach to vet
02:56:11.49	Unknown	various issues with our expert commissions before bringing it back to the Council so that we have a fully informed
02:56:20.71	Unknown	report.
02:56:22.31	Unknown	for the council.
02:56:24.28	Unknown	if this council wants to
02:56:27.10	Unknown	um,
02:56:28.03	Unknown	Um,
02:56:29.87	Unknown	not listen to the PBAC and the Sustainability Commission before hearing the report on how best to address the bicycle issues on Bridgeway, that's, of course, up to the Council. But I just wanted to remind us that we frequently do ask our various expert boards and commissions to weigh in from their perspective so that we're considering a fully informed report. Those are my thoughts. Thanks.
02:57:00.75	Councilmember Hoffman	I endorse the vice mayor's suggestion of giving us a list or a menu of what to choose from and how to prioritize that. So I think that's a good model. I agree that $8.5 million is not a lot. That's our unallocated funds. But that's knowing that we have millions, multiple millions of dollars in deferred maintenance across Sausalito. So that's without knowing what our facilities assessment is going to say what the highest needs are for the city-owned facilities including the center for the arts that we just talked about and what the city is now going to be responsible for with regard to capital improvements for that building as opposed to prior to the amendment to the lease in September so so i would um urge you know some somehow we have to balance that and the increased risk that we have um going forward so the issue of whether or not even 25 is enough of a reserve right now for sausalito given our high risk i think is perhaps another discussion or at least a short-term discussion. I agree, actually, with Council Member Kelman that the two priorities seem to be right now is resilience and roads, and that ties into...
02:58:15.29	Councilmember Hoffman	Vice Mayor Kalman's approach, which is let's now then drill down and prioritize those and actually give meaningful direction to our staff about
02:58:25.21	Councilmember Hoffman	how to actually move forward on specific projects to get those done in the short term and prioritizing with regard to the bridgeway bike lane slash bridgeway emergency median removal project I I think that that's been vetted uh quite a bit through sustainability and um
02:58:47.38	Councilmember Hoffman	P. Back before it in the years that it's been in front of us. And so I think that absent
02:58:54.54	Councilmember Hoffman	clear direction from the Council tonight. That removal of the Bridgeway median is off the table, consistent with
02:59:01.48	Councilmember Hoffman	public statements that are made by
02:59:03.57	Councilmember Hoffman	both the mayor and council member
02:59:05.71	Councilmember Hoffman	blousting throughout this campaign
02:59:08.71	Councilmember Hoffman	That would be my first choice so that we don't have to waste any more time or effort
02:59:12.59	Councilmember Hoffman	on this short-term conversation
02:59:15.67	Councilmember Hoffman	The long-term conversation, I think, with regard to that stretch,
02:59:19.82	Councilmember Hoffman	is not removal of the bridgeway median, but if we want to extend a seawall
02:59:24.71	Councilmember Hoffman	I'm gonna extend the sidewalk out and put bike lanes where the current sidewalk is.
02:59:29.03	Councilmember Hoffman	on the water side. That, to me, is the conversation.
02:59:32.90	Councilmember Hoffman	And
02:59:33.69	Councilmember Hoffman	That goes also feeds back into
02:59:36.91	Councilmember Hoffman	the policy of this council on capital improvements should shift to climate action. And there was, I think we talked about it after the Cal Cities Conference in October,
02:59:49.89	Councilmember Hoffman	that there was a presentation of the shift in funding, and most government funding is now going to be funneled down through
02:59:57.36	Councilmember Hoffman	climate action plans and climate resilience districts or climate resilience
03:00:02.92	Councilmember Hoffman	lens. And so most of our, I think, efforts should be couched in climate resilience and the ones that we've just talked about with regard to
03:00:13.24	Councilmember Hoffman	sea level rise with regard to a seawall with regard to title, you know, efforts along the tightlands, those are all climate resilience efforts. And so I think that that's just a policy shift in a policy lens that I think would be a good outcome for tonight to adopt. And that's how you frame, frame your efforts. And like I said, almost any infrastructure effort in Sausalito is going to be through that lens. So that would be my feedback.
03:00:44.90	Council Member Lesting	Thank you. I really appreciate the emphasis being put on viewing these issues through a climate lens. We as a council did vote and declare that there is in fact a climate emergency in Sausalito. And I think that every decision we're making, not just infrastructure decisions, need to be made not only with a climate lens, but equally with an equity lens. And we need to be taking that approach to all of our decision making, whether it, again, it relates to infrastructure or policy generally. And I think a great example of that is I was able last week to attend a conference in Marin City. They received $6 million for flooding for sea level rise there, and we've had multiple
03:01:22.25	Council Member Lesting	requests to partner on those types of projects and grants. And as was pointed out, there's a lot of opportunity for grant funding. And I think if we can think about how we can partner to achieve some of those efforts and to look at these things with both the climate and equity lens. And I bring up equity lens again, because I would also really like to stress that I have heard from a number of seniors that some of our roads are unwalkable or inaccessible. And I would like us to put some emphasis and planning into creating
03:01:50.95	Council Member Lesting	a more ADA friendly playgrounds and walkways just so that all of our residents who have of all different ages and abilities can enjoy them as well.
03:01:59.86	Council Member Lesting	I think much of what I would have touched on was mentioned, a huge emphasis on enacting the landslide task force recommendations as soon as possible. I think it's critical that we have some sort of climate emergency fund or assessment for increased risk, whether that's part of our 25 percent reserves or if we do something else to make sure that we're addressing specifically climate disaster. I think that demonstrates our assessments of being aware of what this risk means for us. I appreciated the mention specifically of parking lot one using Thailand funds to address parking lot one. I would like to see us do that. I didn't hear as much from my colleagues about using technology to improve our infrastructure. And I think that that's something else we really need to stress, whether that's using smart signals, which can help us to determine, you know, how our roads being used in at what time, or if we're using technology to monitor pavement quality and assess when a pothole might arise before it does. So we can make fixes to improve pavement quality.
03:02:56.17	Council Member Lesting	I understand that it's $5 million.
03:02:58.89	Council Member Lesting	annually to get us up to 80 over five years. However,
03:03:02.25	Council Member Lesting	I think that there is also technology that can help us predict these problems before they arrive, if we did more of a deep dive into what those are, which is why I think it's so critical that we pay attention to and really hear what Climatec has to say when they come before us at our next meeting to present their facilities assessment and recommendations for us for what we might improve to both save money, increase efficiency, be more climate aware, and also improve our infrastructure. With regards to the Bridgeway median, I agree. I think we've all stressed and the community has made clear that the removal of the median is not something that the community wants at this point.
03:03:41.13	Council Member Lesting	This deserves a robust conversation. So I believe we're all on the same page about having an open forum. And then I just want to stress again that it's really critical that we continue to pursue grant funding in every avenue that we can. And I really do think having a climate and equity lens will help us do that, especially as we start to be looking more specifically probably at state funding rather than federal as the emphasis on climate may shift in the coming administration. And we should be planning for that.
03:04:14.12	Ian Sobieski	Okay, any other comments?
03:04:16.34	Ian Sobieski	All right. Thank you very much. We'll move on to five.
03:04:19.96	Unknown	Can we just ask the city staff have what they need that the request was to provide direction, and so I think you heard the pretty much unanimous direction on the climate resiliency lens, but do you have what else you needed from us.
03:04:34.28	Chris Zapata	I heard bring back a lot of stuff, and so we will. But again, I stress the fact that you're building a budget in 2526. You have resources. You have a lot of input on how to bring, as you called it, Vice Mayor Cox, a quilt of approaches. And I think for me, it's dissecting the fund balance that we have and where it can go, whether it's to pensions or whether it's to hillside landslides, whether it's to a contingency. I don't know why we would go back and revisit the 25% that you've already had a year-long discussion about. Whenever there's been an emergency over the last five years, 10 years, you have not touched that. That 5% and that 15% has been, or 15% total, and now you've raised it to 25. So I would like to come back and give you a breakdown of the revenues we have, whether it's title ends, whether it's general fund, whether it's measure L funds, and say, you know, this is how you can spend that, and this is what the recommendation would be. Because, again, lots of moving parts here. I get it. Lots of concerns that need to be looked at before you decide to press go. And, again, we have a finance committee that's been resuscitated that can look at this. We certainly have some resources that we want to put to good use so that, you know, dollars spent today are wise. And then at the same time, I heard loudly and clearly that we need to have more discussion about the Bridgeway safety and bicycle project. Just note that, you know, we have a February timeframe where that clock is ticking. And if the decision isn't made by into February, my understanding is those funds will go away. And that's half a million dollars.
03:06:16.58	Councilmember Hoffman	So,
03:06:16.88	Ian Sobieski	Well, we'll...
03:06:18.20	Ian Sobieski	I think we're done with this.
03:06:19.72	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
03:06:19.74	Ian Sobieski	What?
03:06:19.77	Councilmember Hoffman	I have a clarification.
03:06:22.01	Councilmember Hoffman	Based on the conversation that we've had up here at the dais and input from myself and the mayor about whether or not this should not go back to PVAC, that it should just go straight to a public forum, I don't know. Do we have consensus on that?
03:06:36.90	Ian Sobieski	I think that was the direction from three of us.
03:06:39.88	Councilmember Hoffman	So that will not go back to PBAC. It will go straight to a public forum.
03:06:44.20	Chris Zapata	In the memo that Director McGowan sent yesterday and today, there was a specific request that the council, if they wish to see more public engagement, staff was happy to accommodate that. And that sounds what this is in advance of PBAC. So we'll figure that out internally and make sure that it's not a PBAC public meeting, it's a public meeting, and then followed by whatever meetings need to happen after that.
03:07:08.72	Unknown	But are we asking that it come back to the council before it goes to PBAC or just public engagement? Just public engagement.
03:07:12.71	Chris Zapata	Nope.
03:07:15.25	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, I'm requesting that it be not go back to PBAC, that it be public engagement. And then just and then I think it comes straight back to us. Right. Because I because of the short timeline with the February timeline. We frankly, I think because it's December, you know, we're talking about Thanksgiving's next week and in December, it's hard to get the word out.
03:07:36.84	Councilmember Hoffman	So maybe it's
03:07:38.46	Councilmember Hoffman	I don't know. I'm just trying to give people as much notice as possible because this is a huge issue of interest that many people in town thought was not on the table. And it was a surprise to me, and I think to the mayor certainly,
03:07:52.63	Councilmember Hoffman	and other people on the council that now it's very much alive and very much proposal is still in play.
03:08:01.09	Councilmember Hoffman	out of two of the three
03:08:03.68	Councilmember Hoffman	three alternatives are to remove the Bridgeway median, the Bridgeway emergency access median. So I think that needs to be clearly
03:08:12.63	Councilmember Hoffman	put out to the public through the currents, and that we need to give a lot of notice on whatever public forum
03:08:21.40	Ian Sobieski	The charge of the city council was for Parisian parametrics to do some work. And I don't remember what the charge was, but I remember it involved a lot of things that included crosswalks, speed bumps, slowing down traffic, pedestrian safety, delivery trucks, circulation, and bike safety was one of those things. And it has to be in there to achieve the grant.
03:08:22.05	Councilmember Hoffman	CHARGES WITH THE CITY.
03:08:31.75	Lauren Mendelsohn	Thank you.
03:08:41.75	Ian Sobieski	I want to make sure stuff actually...
03:08:43.65	Ian Sobieski	met the goals that were outlined, and if they did, it's your guys' report.
03:08:47.09	Ian Sobieski	We want you to present it in public.
03:08:49.23	Ian Sobieski	to the interested public so they can ask their questions of the people that did the work and respond to the facts. I think that's the direction.
03:08:56.50	Council Member Lesting	Would it be so bad, though, if PBAC also heard it? I think we might need a town hall forum dedicated specifically to this issue where we are present and where the public can engage. But PBAC did submit for the grant. So I think out of respect for them, they should have an opportunity also to provide feedback given the amount of time they put in.
03:09:14.51	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
03:09:15.18	Ian Sobieski	It seems to me they can certainly control their own agenda and schedule, it just seems like-
03:09:18.53	Unknown	It's scheduled for December 2, which is in two weeks, essentially. So that's before we're going to be able to have a town hall.
03:09:25.24	Councilmember Hoffman	I don't, yeah, but I don't see the need. I mean, PBAC has had a lot, this has been to PBAC at least twice, I think in the past.
03:09:31.70	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
03:09:31.72	Unknown	It was last to be back in July of 2023, so before any of the parametrics work was done.
03:09:37.97	Councilmember Hoffman	but how many times did it go to PBAC before that? I mean, PBAC is the one that presented the grant proposal and PBAC is the one that came back to them, they reviewed it, and then it came to the city council and we gave our feedback.
03:09:52.33	Councilmember Hoffman	And then I think twice.
03:09:54.47	Councilmember Hoffman	and then in July. So I think, I feel like, I mean, I'm not,
03:09:59.26	Councilmember Hoffman	trying to
03:10:01.22	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, minimize P back and their work on this, but this has gone beyond P back at this point. We gave direction to city council level, what we wanted done, it doesn't look like,
03:10:13.07	Councilmember Hoffman	that the direction was followed. So at this point, and because we have such a short timeline,
03:10:19.23	Councilmember Hoffman	I think the emphasis is on
03:10:21.54	Councilmember Hoffman	informing as many people as possible.
03:10:23.90	Councilmember Hoffman	can come to any meeting they want to come to at the city council level. They can certainly members of feedback can can attend the public forum and give their input. But I just think that at this point, we're we've accelerated beyond the recommendations that PBAC might give. It's now up to the council to make the decision.
03:10:32.12	Lauren Mendelsohn	is that.
03:10:42.77	Councilmember Hoffman	and receive input directly from the public without filtering it through feedback.
03:10:46.17	Council Member Lesting	I don't think there's anything wrong with PBAC. It's a public meeting that everyone can attend, and it'll take us a while to schedule the town hall anyway. I think it would be great for them to have their meeting and talk about it if they want, and we don't have to necessarily take their recommendations,
03:10:59.59	Council Member Lesting	they haven't heard anything on the item since july 2023 so they
03:11:03.98	Council Member Lesting	I just feel like based on the amount of work that they,
03:11:06.75	Council Member Lesting	put in, it's an additional, to me, it's another layer of an opportunity for the public to engage. It's not a secret. The public is very much welcome at that meeting and maybe it should be somewhere larger like IDEST and then we'll have another follow-up public forum.
03:11:17.09	Council Member Lesting	I love additional community engagement and feedback. I love the opportunity.
03:11:20.68	Council Member Lesting	to have people come. What if they can only go the PBAC date and not the town hall date? It's just more engagement, not less. So I would still like to see that happen.
03:11:30.29	Councilmember Kelman	So we don't drive the PBAC's agenda. We don't drive the sustainability committee's agenda. The staff representatives for both are here.
03:11:39.52	Councilmember Kelman	Perhaps you want to suggest to the chairs of both that they
03:11:42.40	Councilmember Kelman	talk about this item, but the direction from the council is to do a public forum. And should the committees wish to convene, we don't drive the agenda today, we don't drive it tomorrow, so there's certainly
03:11:51.72	Unknown	So we're not saying no, but we are giving direction
03:11:54.01	Councilmember Kelman	We never tell them to hear or not hear.
03:11:56.65	Unknown	Thank you.
03:11:56.66	Councilmember Hoffman	And conversely, if they decide not to sit here or whatever, it doesn't slow us down with our
03:12:01.27	Unknown	I would say,
03:12:01.71	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
03:12:01.74	Unknown	If PBAC is going to hear it, let's put it in occurrence that it's going to be heard by PBAC on this date so that we get the word out. So December 2, PBAC is going to hear it. Tell the community and that there will also be a community forum.
03:12:05.47	Councilmember Hoffman	Absolutely.
03:12:14.06	Ian Sobieski	My only addition to that is I just want to make sure staff goes back to what the city council direction was and make sure that they're ready.
03:12:21.38	Ian Sobieski	uh,
03:12:22.38	Ian Sobieski	I'm.
03:12:23.02	Ian Sobieski	Frankly, from what I heard, it didn't sound that way, but maybe they did do all the work that we outlined, but not hearing anything about the bollards, crosswalks, traffic calming, sidewalks, or crosswalks, if anybody said that, makes me question whether the work has been completed. If it hasn't been completed and we have a February deadline, well, that's its own kind of problem.
03:12:43.05	Ian Sobieski	That is my question. And if it's not ready, it's not ready. If it is ready, then that's staff's representation that they've done the work.
03:12:49.92	Ian Sobieski	So let's thanks everybody. Thank you everyone. Let's move on to 5b. Adopt a resolution authorizing city manager to execute a professional services agreement with Kimber companies for property management services in an amount not to exceed 102 000.
03:13:02.25	Council Member Lesting	And...
03:13:02.80	Council Member Lesting	I'm sorry.
03:13:02.96	Unknown	Thank you.
03:13:03.42	Ian Sobieski	What did?
03:13:05.44	Unknown	Okay, take a bio break.
03:13:07.22	Unknown	Thank you.
03:13:07.23	Ian Sobieski	Bye, Rick. Five minutes. We'll be back at 1020.
03:13:07.28	Unknown	By Rick.
03:13:15.22	Ian Sobieski	going to go ahead and get started. We're taking five B adopter resolution authorizing a city manager to execute a professional services agreement with Kimber companies for property management services for an amount not to exceed $102,000 paid for by MLK title in Old City Hall and Bank of America funds. I mentioned last time when this item was in front of us, I had received a donation from Mr. and Mrs. Huff, who are co owners of this company and I have returned the return those campaign donations.
03:13:43.51	Council Member Lesting	I also need to note that I received contributions from
03:13:46.79	Council Member Lesting	Kimber Management and Kimberley Huff, and I returned the contribution to Kimber Management. I have accepted $250 from Kim Huff.
03:13:55.75	Sergio	Uh,
03:13:56.52	Sergio	Mayor, I did want to use this opportunity to correct a statement I made earlier, which was that if you return the money, no disclosure is required. The FPPC hasn't actually given any sort of definitive statement on this. And I do think that there is some ambiguity in the statute. But having looked closely at the disqualification provisions and looking at some of the other advice letters that the FPPC has put out, I do think that they're likely to take the position
03:14:23.29	Sergio	that disclosure is still required even if you return the money. Additionally, having considered and researched some of the council's earlier questions regarding the SCA lease and whether or not the board of directors there is going to trigger either disclosure or disqualification requirements, the FPPC in its Guide to Officers states that contributions from a nonprofit organization's board of directors... requirements the FPPC in its guide to officers states that contributions from a nonprofit organization's board of directors are not aggregated with the nonprofit so basically they don't they don't count towards that $250 limit the FPPC confirmed that in a recent advice letter to the Santa Clara County Council so
03:15:07.96	Unknown	Would you mind forwarding that to the Council, Sergio?
03:15:11.33	Sergio	Yeah, I can do that.
03:15:12.29	Unknown	Okay, thanks.
03:15:13.31	Sergio	Thank you.
03:15:18.64	Ian Sobieski	We can reconsider it in the same meeting.
03:15:22.43	Ian Sobieski	All right.
03:15:23.30	Ian Sobieski	Bye.
03:15:24.61	Ian Sobieski	So we're hearing on this item, 5B, adoptive, well, I already read it, so.
03:15:30.38	Ian Sobieski	Thank you. And Eric May-May Johnson.
03:15:32.65	Ian Sobieski	Mr. Hess.
03:15:34.35	Chad Hess	All right, good evening, Mayor, Council, members of the public. Several months ago, Council directed staff to seek property management services for the city's property portfolio. After issuing two RFPs, we have tonight before you a contract with Kimber Companies.
03:15:54.51	Chad Hess	in a amount not to exceed $102,000 for one year of property management services. This will be expensed out of four various funds, the MLK, Tidelands, Old City Hall, and Bank of America Fund.
03:16:12.71	Chad Hess	So as it stands now, the city currently manages 37 active leases, and this generates $2.4 million as of the last fiscal year for the city.
03:16:24.47	Chad Hess	Currently, the city is usually using a combination of internal and external resources to manage its properties. Currently, we have a member of the finance staff being the primary point of contact.
03:16:37.99	Chad Hess	the city attorney, and we have leveraged several third-party vendors for various property managements, including negotiation of leases.
03:16:48.16	Chad Hess	Our current approach is suboptimal. We do not possess the specialized skill of property management. We do not have the institutional knowledge to manage some of these really old leases that are over 50 years old.
03:17:03.11	Chad Hess	And the capacity of our team is certainly limited.
03:17:07.99	Chad Hess	We did receive three qualified responses to our RFP. We had Rome Real Estate Group, Keegan & Copen, and Kimber Management. All offered marketing of the properties. All offered tenant portals for tenant communication, payment of rents, invoicing, reporting, maintenance issues, etc.,
03:17:32.31	Chad Hess	And then they also all offered financial reporting, the main tenants of our RFP.
03:17:38.75	Chad Hess	When it came down to the management fee, there was a variation regarding the fee structures. Rome Real Estate offered 5% or a $11,000 per month base.
03:17:52.22	Chad Hess	Keegan and Copen was 5.5% of gross rents or a floor of $11,677.
03:18:00.40	Chad Hess	And Kimber Management offered a flat fee of $8,500 per month.
03:18:06.41	Chad Hess	which is $102 per year under this contract.
03:18:10.92	Chad Hess	We would expense this out of the various funds, the MLK, Tidelands, Old City Hall and Bank of America. And you can see the allocation dollar amounts up on the screen.
03:18:21.78	Chad Hess	and the respective cash balances at the beginning of this fiscal year as just a point of reference.
03:18:27.59	Chad Hess	these funds have adequate resources to
03:18:31.76	Chad Hess	purchase this service for the city.
03:18:34.02	Chad Hess	Just for completeness of picture, the city currently pays a city staff member acting pay in the amount of $8,130 that is currently paid out of the general fund, and that expense would be eliminated if we move forward with this property management contract.
03:18:55.70	Chad Hess	bringing the net cost down to 98 or 93,870.
03:19:00.83	Chad Hess	With that being said, we'll go ahead and open it up for questions and comments.
03:19:05.44	Ian Sobieski	Nice work.
03:19:07.57	Unknown	Thank you, Chad.
03:19:08.97	Unknown	With respect to the services to be provided by the property management company,
03:19:14.36	Unknown	In addition to monitoring rents and lease expiration and renewals, will they also monitor BLT, or will that remain with the finance department?
03:19:26.06	Chad Hess	BLT, what do you mean by that?
03:19:29.17	Unknown	Business license tax?
03:19:30.46	Chad Hess	Oh, business license tax. Okay, I'm sorry. No, that is outside of property management. That would remain with our vendor HDL.
03:19:38.01	Unknown	Because I know some of our tenants who lease from us
03:19:42.12	Unknown	are in arrears both on lease rents and on business license tax. And so there is a
03:19:49.53	Chad Hess	Correct.
03:19:51.44	Unknown	crossover there, I suppose.
03:19:53.90	Chad Hess	with one of our tenants, yes.
03:19:56.17	Unknown	Okay, thank you.
03:20:00.23	Ian Sobieski	Other questions?
03:20:01.95	Ian Sobieski	Coffern, Council Member Hoffman.
03:20:04.69	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, this is for either the city manager or for Chad. But I believe the city manager and I discussed this. And there was a percentage or a performance aspect to the Huff contract – or I'm sorry, the Kimber Management contract. Am I misunderstanding that it's a flat –
03:20:28.53	Councilmember Hoffman	It's a flat.
03:20:29.92	Councilmember Hoffman	whatever it is.
03:20:30.27	Chad Hess	So the property management aspect of this is a flat fee of 8,500.
03:20:35.74	Chad Hess	In the event that we need broker services for them to lease up our space, there is a commission structure that is defined in the actual contract. So it would be based upon them negotiating a new lease on behalf of the city.
03:20:52.58	Councilmember Hoffman	And so if they negotiated new leases, they would receive a percentage of the new lease?
03:20:57.62	Chad Hess	the E.
03:20:58.47	Chad Hess	That's correct. They would, I believe it's 5% of...
03:21:02.26	Chad Hess	the reds.
03:21:03.97	Chad Hess	that they negotiate on that contract.
03:21:08.07	Chris Zapata	And Chad that applies to all three of the proposals and their amounts of receive. Can you walk through those amounts? So the council and the public hears them.
03:21:16.88	Chad Hess	Yes, that is correct. So all three applicants had a very similar fee structure.
03:21:24.22	Chad Hess	The first applicant or the first proposer
03:21:28.83	Chad Hess	um,
03:21:29.80	Chad Hess	Switch back here. Rome companies, they had a 6%
03:21:30.83	Ian Sobieski	they had a 6% increase.
03:21:32.57	Ian Sobieski	back we just we can we can hear you way up here so that's all right
03:21:37.30	Ian Sobieski	Go ahead, Mr. Hess.
03:21:38.27	Chad Hess	Okay, the first applicant or proposer, Rome Real Estate, had a 6% commission fee for new leases or renegotiated leases.
03:21:49.95	Chad Hess	Keegan and Copan had a similar 6%
03:21:54.41	Chad Hess	fee, if you will, Kimber management, if it was done in house was at 5%. If it contained an outside broker, then it would revert back to the 6%.
03:22:04.70	Chad Hess	Most of our parcels or properties are currently leased. Two of our significant tenants at the MLK property have just entered into
03:22:13.78	Chad Hess	multi-year leases, so that fee would not be applicable to those primary tenants.
03:22:21.20	Council Member Lesting	It looks like Matt, the representatives from Kimber Management are saying that, are shaking their head and saying no to that. I just want to get.
03:22:28.29	Chad Hess	then we have a misunderstanding of
03:22:31.33	Ian Sobieski	Let's just, Mr. Huff, if you don't mind just waiting, let's just, for the sake of order, finish our questions with Mr. Hess, and then we'll maybe direct some questions to you.
03:22:40.90	Unknown	Maybe.
03:22:41.61	Unknown	questions to you.
03:22:42.43	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
03:22:42.47	Unknown	Thank you.
03:22:42.49	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
03:22:42.86	Unknown	Thank you.
03:22:42.89	Ian Sobieski	the
03:22:42.96	Unknown	So.
03:22:43.45	Ian Sobieski	Then comes my often.
03:22:44.83	Unknown	I was...
03:22:45.52	Unknown	Thank you.
03:22:46.60	Unknown	I was just going to have a follow-up to one of her questions,
03:22:50.38	Unknown	So if we have an existing lease, and Kimber assists us in renegotiating that existing lease, they get 5% of the new rent.
03:22:59.23	Chad Hess	In their proposal, they stated that it doesn't apply to existing tenants or renegotiated leases. That is my understanding.
03:23:09.84	Unknown	Okay, you just two sentences ago said new or renegotiated leases.
03:23:15.22	Chad Hess	So their fee would be for new leases if they brought in a new tenant.
03:23:20.60	Chad Hess	Thank you.
03:23:20.64	Unknown	Thank you.
03:23:20.71	Chad Hess	So if they have an existing tenant in our space and it's a renewal, then my understanding is that fee does not apply.
03:23:28.23	Unknown	Thank you.
03:23:28.27	Unknown	and we can we can confirm that with kimber but that was my understanding i just wanted to clarify thank you councilmember hoppen keep going
03:23:35.27	Councilmember Hoffman	So because of the difference, I guess, in the
03:23:40.87	Councilmember Hoffman	because I'm just trying to wrap my head around the distinction. So we have Rome Real Estate Group that just has a greater
03:23:49.87	Councilmember Hoffman	their proposal is 5% of the gross annual rent income or $11,000 a month. So theirs is, I guess theirs is either or.
03:23:59.60	Councilmember Hoffman	And same thing for Keegan, it's either 5.5% of the gross annual rent or 11,000, and then you have just a flat 8,500 from Kimber.
03:24:11.18	Councilmember Hoffman	the analysis that that's
03:24:11.99	Chad Hess	And that's for the property management aspect of it.
03:24:15.09	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, and then they all three, if they all three bring in new tenants, then they all three get additional
03:24:23.95	Chad Hess	All.
03:24:24.49	Chad Hess	they would receive a commission for that effort.
03:24:26.91	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, and then have we done a...
03:24:30.40	Councilmember Hoffman	Is there any way to do, I guess there's no way to do a cost or
03:24:34.96	Councilmember Hoffman	an estimate of that aspect of both of all three of the deal points, right? Because we don't know.
03:24:42.55	Chad Hess	It would depend on which lease they negotiated for us and then also the rent of that space.
03:24:50.80	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, so...
03:24:52.22	Councilmember Hoffman	Again, we go back to if there's a tenant in there and they're renegotiating a lease,
03:24:57.13	Councilmember Hoffman	no compensation, no additional compensation. But if there's an empty or the
03:25:03.68	Councilmember Hoffman	or the tenants change, then it's a
03:25:06.93	Chad Hess	then that would be a new tenant. Yup. And it would be subject to that fee or that commission.
03:25:11.54	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay. Okay. Thank you.
03:25:13.77	Ian Sobieski	Any other questions?
03:25:14.44	Councilmember Kelman	Yes.
03:25:14.56	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
03:25:14.63	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
03:25:14.70	Councilmember Kelman	Please.
03:25:16.01	Councilmember Kelman	So Jim, maybe I'm missing something here, but scope of work is only financial reporting. Scope of work doesn't say a thing about negotiating leases of any type. That's only mentioned in the fee schedule. And so therefore, the scope of work is a management, which is great, but not a negotiation, which is not articulated in the rules of that game or not spelled out.
03:25:39.27	Sergio	Yeah, I mean, the scope of work can be revised to also indicate that it includes negotiation of leases with new tenants upon request of the city. I think we could pretty easily add that to the scope of work desired by the council.
03:25:54.29	Councilmember Kelman	Sure, we could, but I think what's also missing here is sort of a policy around that, right? So there's no direction, so we're,
03:25:54.30	Sergio	Thank you.
03:26:01.58	Councilmember Kelman	It's not fair to whomever we hired for this that they just go out and
03:26:05.84	Councilmember Kelman	Lease, not lease, amount, not, there's zero direction in this as to how they should conduct their job. I love the financial reporting part of this. That's great. But there's zero policy direction around how they should conduct existing leases, new leases, profit, nonprofit. This seems like a huge gap and not fair to the consultant.
03:26:34.03	Councilmember Kelman	Sorry, there was. I lost the thread. Apologies.
03:26:36.29	Unknown	you.
03:26:41.69	Unknown	I mean, is the question, can we add that to the scope as a part of the contract should we decide to proceed with Kimber?
03:26:48.98	Sergio	short answer is yes you absolutely could add that i if you want to be that specific then yeah the council is going to need to provide some guidance and some details can we just
03:26:57.85	Unknown	Thank you.
03:26:57.99	Unknown	just say pursuant to council direction?
03:27:01.55	Sergio	You could. I'm not sure that that provides that much more clarity, though.
03:27:11.08	Ian Sobieski	Any other questions?
03:27:12.05	Council Member Lesting	Are we going to are we going to hear from Kimber or no?
03:27:14.76	Ian Sobieski	If you have a question for me.
03:27:16.84	Ian Sobieski	Okay.
03:27:16.97	Council Member Lesting	Yeah, I mean, I just because I know that there's a clear dollar amount difference between the proposals and that's generally how we make decisions about our piece. But I mean, one of the reasons that we feel so comfortable is given the amount of work that Kimber has done in Sausalito over the last however many decades. And so I thought it might be helpful to just get a sense of that, like how many properties have you successfully leased in Sausalito? How many properties have you managed in Sausalito for how long?
03:27:43.94	Council Member Lesting	Just to give the community a sense.
03:27:47.89	Council Member Lesting	Yeah, I mean, I do, the mayor has to say.
03:27:50.01	Ian Sobieski	Can you just be specific to your questions?
03:27:52.09	Council Member Lesting	I think it was pretty specific.
03:27:54.47	Ian Sobieski	You have two questions. How many properties have you leased in Sausalito? Yeah.
03:27:59.36	Council Member Lesting	how many managed? Yeah.
03:28:01.96	Ian Sobieski	And how many have you managed?
03:28:03.89	Bruce Huff	In Sausalito, right now we manage 65,000 square feet, Liberty Shipway. We,
03:28:15.38	Bruce Huff	we managed the
03:28:18.47	Bruce Huff	you know, Berg's, you know, property, you know, the marina down there. And we just took on Marina Vista HOA.
03:28:27.66	Bruce Huff	all told
03:28:29.65	Bruce Huff	We manage...
03:28:31.10	Bruce Huff	about 700,000 square feet of space in three states.
03:28:36.44	Bruce Huff	Sausalito is obviously...
03:28:38.70	Bruce Huff	our home.
03:28:39.41	Bruce Huff	I've been in society for 45 years.
03:28:42.70	Bruce Huff	I lived here for 22 years.
03:28:45.42	Bruce Huff	I'm not sure.
03:28:46.41	Bruce Huff	And we're very proud of the space that we have.
03:28:51.03	Bruce Huff	On the commission, it's our company standard to charge 4%
03:28:55.98	Bruce Huff	If it's an in-house deal, 5% if we have to cooperate with another broker.
03:29:01.31	Bruce Huff	We've never had a 6%.
03:29:03.88	Bruce Huff	On a long-term lease, we will degrade after the fifth year.
03:29:08.89	Bruce Huff	If it's 4%, then it'll drop 3, 2, 1, so on and so forth.
03:29:13.82	Bruce Huff	Our leasing experience, well, you know, we leased...
03:29:20.82	Bruce Huff	I'd say 140,000 square feet of space.
03:29:25.51	Bruce Huff	Well, you know, we had, you know, 10 and 20 Liberty Shipway. We sold that in December of 21. So we don't, you know, manage that anymore.
03:29:35.01	Bruce Huff	We have our leasing revenue has been close to zero because our buildings are full.
03:29:42.52	Bruce Huff	and have been full through this entire, through COVID, through everything. We have got,
03:29:49.02	Bruce Huff	Yeah, how much square feet is built?
03:29:51.97	Bruce Huff	I think we have one office that's 500 square feet out of 65,000 square feet right now. Thank you very much.
03:29:52.34	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah.
03:29:52.51	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
03:29:59.26	Bruce Huff	Thank you. Can I remember your comment?
03:30:00.58	Councilmember Kelman	Hi, thank you. Thanks for sticking with us this late, Mr. Huff. Sure. So, very detailed financials, thank you for the detail on that in the scope of work.
03:30:05.44	Unknown	Sure.
03:30:12.59	Councilmember Kelman	What's your game plan? What would be your game plan for coming up to speed?
03:30:16.94	Councilmember Kelman	on all of the city's properties and they're not sort of all in the same place and all of the leases.
03:30:20.56	Bruce Huff	I...
03:30:21.59	Bruce Huff	I think that we need, we've just onboarded four properties and that has been
03:30:28.69	Bruce Huff	I mean, I'm close to 80 years old and it has me working six days a week.
03:30:33.40	Bruce Huff	My son is working six days a week. And my nephew right now is in North Dakota,
03:30:39.68	Bruce Huff	checking out his property. So it's, it's, it's a,
03:30:44.15	Bruce Huff	It should be a much longer process. I would like to get
03:30:48.28	Bruce Huff	30, 60, or 90 days onboarding without charging the city for that,
03:30:53.53	Bruce Huff	You know, for that time, that gives us time to learn about the properties.
03:30:57.28	Bruce Huff	to look at the leases,
03:30:59.28	Bruce Huff	to, there's a whole bunch of scope issues
03:31:03.64	Bruce Huff	that.
03:31:04.42	Bruce Huff	We're not in the RFP, so we have to have conversations with the city manager and so on and so forth.
03:31:11.17	Bruce Huff	We normally for
03:31:14.57	Bruce Huff	full management. We normally take care of maintenance. We take care of
03:31:19.47	Bruce Huff	a whole host of things.
03:31:22.15	Bruce Huff	And
03:31:23.40	Bruce Huff	That's the conversations we need to have with the city.
03:31:26.99	Bruce Huff	We're certainly willing to do full management for the fee that we quoted.
03:31:31.85	Bruce Huff	but I'm not entirely sure
03:31:34.70	Bruce Huff	We managed MLK from 1999 to 2005.
03:31:41.61	Bruce Huff	And we did the whole remodel on MLK. And what we found out, there were certain things that the city wanted to do.
03:31:50.48	Bruce Huff	maintain control of and do.
03:31:52.83	Bruce Huff	And there were certain things that
03:31:54.57	Bruce Huff	they wanted us to do. So those are the conversations that really have to take place.
03:31:59.50	Bruce Huff	No matter what it is, the fee is a full service fee.
03:32:03.78	Councilmember Kelman	I read somewhere in here, which I can't find right now, that you have a
03:32:07.97	Councilmember Kelman	contractors that you work with, who do maintenance.
03:32:10.16	Bruce Huff	Yes.
03:32:11.44	Councilmember Kelman	Is that?
03:32:12.88	Councilmember Kelman	how does that get charged to the city or is that included within the fee?
03:32:16.74	Councilmember Kelman	and where are the ones?
03:32:17.01	Bruce Huff	No, no, no. The contractors we work with are not included in the fee. They'd have to be approved by the city. That's the process we went through from 99 to 2002 or 2003 while we were doing the remodel was that the city would identify projects, we'd go out, get bids, submit it to the city, and then the city would choose.
03:32:46.51	Bruce Huff	So and except for normal maintenance, you know, day to day maintenance, which we would probably if in fact that's exactly what the city wanted us to take care of, we'd submit a proposal from a contractor that we use for that.
03:33:06.22	Councilmember Kelman	And you know the city so well, so do you envision that your
03:33:11.38	Councilmember Kelman	much of your time would be creating new lease arrangements because we have a lot of vacancy, or do you anticipate that it would be mostly managing existing leases?
03:33:20.55	Bruce Huff	I don't know what your vacancy is. So if you've got a great deal of vacancy, we'd have to come up with a marketing plan.
03:33:28.73	Councilmember Kelman	And would that be included under this? Oh, yeah.
03:33:30.43	Bruce Huff	Oh yeah.
03:33:30.86	Bruce Huff	Thank you.
03:33:31.23	Bruce Huff	Yeah.
03:33:32.58	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you. Appreciate it.
03:33:33.59	Bruce Huff	You're very welcome.
03:33:35.36	Ian Sobieski	Any other questions?
03:33:37.01	Ian Sobieski	Right. Can we have public comment, Mr. City Clerk?
03:33:42.35	Ian Sobieski	Peter Van Meter.
03:33:45.84	Ian Sobieski	Sunshine, did you turn in a slip?
03:33:52.71	Unknown	you
03:33:53.08	Peter Van Meter	Well, this is a wonderful opportunity for a win-win-win-win situation where you have a local firm with a long history in town. You have people who know the Sausalito, who have decades of real estate management and leasing experience. So you've got a totally qualified team of people who know what they're doing. They're local. And it can just be nothing but a better opportunity for the city, the public, everybody involved. I really hope you move ahead with the agreement. Thank you.
03:34:22.41	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
03:34:22.43	Unknown	Thank you.
03:34:22.46	Ian Sobieski	So...
03:34:22.53	Unknown	Sunshine.
03:34:22.92	Ian Sobieski	Sunshine, just come up. I think we will stipulate that it was turned in.
03:34:23.18	Unknown	Thank you.
03:34:29.51	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
03:34:30.71	Sunshine	Good evening, my name is Sunshine and boy, I wish we had a manager like what Bruce did. I was in 10 Liberty Shipway. All the improvements he did were taking all the tenants into consideration rather than
03:34:47.27	Sunshine	how he could make the most money from all of us. It was absolutely amazing.
03:34:51.50	Sunshine	an ideal situation and we were cared for.
03:34:54.83	Sunshine	And
03:34:55.65	Sunshine	Where I'm living now, I mean, I can see the contrast.
03:34:59.48	Sunshine	devastation, neglect, danger,
03:35:02.49	Sunshine	health issues and i'm being i'm the one that's being evicted
03:35:07.04	Sunshine	And it's just a crime that managers can be so corrupt, lie so much.
03:35:14.49	Sunshine	And my lawyers told me that the management company that I'm living under
03:35:19.18	Sunshine	was the worst one in Marin County that they get more complaints about them than any other company.
03:35:25.00	Sunshine	So I just want to put that out, that I mainly stayed here, not for me, but I wanted to speak
03:35:30.89	Sunshine	on behalf of Bruce Huff because he was such an ideal manager and he really cared for us. So that's it.
03:35:41.60	Ian Sobieski	Mr. Albert.
03:35:43.97	Ron Albert	I agree with everything Peter Van Meter said. Get on with it. Hire a professional management firm.
03:35:53.06	Ian Sobieski	Just to the city clerk there, but, Lorna, you can just come up.
03:35:57.18	Lorna Newland	Thank you.
03:36:02.09	Ian Sobieski	If there's anyone else with a slip, just please give it to the city clerk.
03:36:07.17	Lorna Newland	Is it two or three?
03:36:08.50	Ian Sobieski	Two minutes, please.
03:36:09.73	Lorna Newland	Hello, my name is Lorna Newland. I'm a 30-year resident homeowner in Sausalito, 22-year small business owner. My first studio at Sausalito Pottery was at...
03:36:23.32	Lorna Newland	1915 Bridgeway and when the owner passed and a new owner bought it that she was going to triple my rent and luckily it was I believe Ron Albert and also Dana Whitson had suggested the MLK bus barn which I took possession after city council approved in December of 2005 and
03:36:43.53	Lorna Newland	had to paint everything. I had to clean the floors. Basically, it had been storage for about probably 40 years. So lots of dirt, all that. But I've been there 19 years, and in those 19 years, I've probably had...
03:36:58.23	Lorna Newland	13 or more property managers since some were
03:37:04.97	Lorna Newland	somewhere from
03:37:06.74	Lorna Newland	park and rec and they're not professional property managers they mean well HR that kind of thing we need somebody like a Kimber management to manage all these properties I've had a lot of problems with it
03:37:24.71	Lorna Newland	I wanted to say, I did a little research on this. When you look at the price, and it's not just that I think city went with the lowest bid,
03:37:32.89	Lorna Newland	They're local. They're well-established here. Did any of you look up these other companies? One's in Folsom in Sacramento County. One's in Larkspur. They don't really know the people here. I've known Bruce and Kim Huff.
03:37:48.69	Lorna Newland	since I opened my business from the Chamber of Commerce and then from the Saucyde Women's Club. And it means something, and they're going to get something done. And that's what's really important. I'm seeing that it's 4% of the rents is what they're charging. And we haven't had professional management. Our last manager was in December, 2021 and went out on medical leave. Thank you.
03:38:15.07	Ian Sobieski	Any other public comment?
03:38:15.86	Unknown	Thank you.
03:38:17.97	Unknown	Okay, online we have Fred.
03:38:27.06	Fred	Good evening, Council Member. I guess I'm a little bit of the outlier. I agree 100% with the issue of having a professional management for the city assets to ensure the most amount of revenue is coming in. Unfortunately, with this particular contract, I have to agree with Janelle that the scope of work is woefully inadequate if the goal is for property management. If you look at the scope of work on Exhibit A, it doesn't address what tasks are going to be or evolved with the property management. So I have an issue. I've negotiated many property management contracts for various developments. And whereas the Exhibit A is great on what the financials are going to be presented, it doesn't, in my opinion, define the scope of work in the way for the property management that it appears everybody is talking about tonight that we're going to get for the city assets. So I would...
03:38:27.13	Lorna Newland	Thank you.
03:38:27.16	Sergio	I'm going to...
03:38:27.26	Lorna Newland	duty.
03:39:21.52	Fred	ask the council to consider postponing this until you get a more defined scope of work that actually focuses in on what appears to be everybody's concern, a professional management of these assets. And with respect to leases, I think it would be wise for the city to hold off the opportunity if the lease renegotiation comes up or if there's a need for a new tenant that the city has an option to stay with the existing property management if they hire Mr. Huff's firm or they can go with a different entity that may have a different set of skill sets that may be better or the same or worse and they can make a decision at that time rather than locking in right now to Mr. Huff's firm. Appreciate listening to me. Thank you.
03:40:10.91	Unknown	Okay.
03:40:11.40	Unknown	Next speaker is Babette McDougall.
03:40:15.96	Babette McDougall	Hi, good evening. So thank you so much for this. I want to express...
03:40:22.15	Babette McDougall	that I am not opposed to hiring Kimber Management. I think it's a good choice. What I worry about is the fact that we have not made any progress on this policy that is supposed to create benchmarks,
03:40:37.02	Babette McDougall	directives and criteria
03:40:39.53	Babette McDougall	on how to move forward with handling
03:40:41.62	Babette McDougall	the city's portfolio of real estate.
03:40:43.97	Babette McDougall	And yet we have nothing, which what concerns me most is like setting Kimber Management up for failure. Because we have no guideposts. We have no benchmarks.
03:40:54.97	Babette McDougall	We don't know what is a success measurement or a failure measurement because we haven't even addressed that yet.
03:41:01.03	Babette McDougall	That's what our report
03:41:03.14	Babette McDougall	our policy would address. So I'm a little opposed to taking a respected
03:41:09.08	Babette McDougall	husband and wife team and company and, you know, local institution in many ways.
03:41:14.11	Babette McDougall	and setting them up for potential failure because we don't have our ducks lined up. That's what I'm most worried about. So it kind of gets back to...
03:41:21.95	Babette McDougall	I'm disappointed that the city, for whatever the reason, makes a promise about, yeah, we're going to deliver on a policy. And then it just sort of evaporates, just like so many things. This is what worries me. I'm glad this evening there was a great deal of rolling back saying, no, wait a minute, this is not consistent with.
03:41:39.66	Babette McDougall	Council's direction.
03:41:41.38	Babette McDougall	I'm not saying that we should fault our team,
03:41:43.98	Babette McDougall	The city is doing an impeccable job. I think they're doing their best.
03:41:47.88	Babette McDougall	Maybe they need to double the staff. I don't know.
03:41:50.86	Babette McDougall	Because I wouldn't want to see them feel as though they're not being
03:41:53.95	Babette McDougall	properly appreciated for the good work that they are doing.
03:41:57.11	Babette McDougall	I just want to make sure that we are doing our proper
03:42:00.04	Babette McDougall	due diligence on behalf of the citizens and this city. And I concern once again that we are failing at that. Thank you.
03:42:12.07	Unknown	Next speaker is Sandra Bushmaker.
03:42:17.15	Sandra Bushmaker	Excuse me. I'm still coughing and carrying on here. Yes, my questions are in points.
03:42:27.01	Sandra Bushmaker	I do believe the city needs a professional property manager.
03:42:31.34	Sandra Bushmaker	I share the concern about the lack of policy with regard to city leases that was supposed to be in progress. Seems to me that that needs to get resolved.
03:42:42.45	Sandra Bushmaker	prior to giving direction to our professional property manager. I do recall at a past meeting,
03:42:50.45	Sandra Bushmaker	There was a statement made that one half of the 37 leases are expired.
03:42:55.59	Sandra Bushmaker	So this relates to the scope of work. Is it up to
03:42:59.02	Sandra Bushmaker	Kimber or whoever the professional manager is to determine whether to continue that particular tenant's lease or is that to be
03:43:09.36	Sandra Bushmaker	a council decision.
03:43:10.99	Sandra Bushmaker	So it seems to me that that scope needs to be tightened up a little bit.
03:43:15.71	Sandra Bushmaker	before we move forward on this.
03:43:18.95	Sandra Bushmaker	But like I said, I do believe that...
03:43:22.24	Sandra Bushmaker	Professional management is really required. We don't have a handle on our leases and we should. Thank you.
03:43:32.38	Ian Sobieski	No further public comment. Okay, we'll post a couple of comment. Is there any discussion or a motion here?
03:43:38.58	Unknown	I would like to...
03:43:44.55	Unknown	move forward with this engagement, but I would like an opportunity to
03:43:51.10	Unknown	conform the scope of work, number one, to the
03:43:55.81	Unknown	fee schedule that was already presented and by Mr. Huff and described.
03:44:00.28	Unknown	this evening and number two
03:44:02.54	Unknown	to allow for the flexibility to
03:44:09.49	Unknown	follow council direction in the interim and then follow the policy that will ultimately be adopted by council with respect to prospective leases obviously the council will always review and approve any proposed leases so that is a you know a redundancy um to
03:44:31.33	Unknown	directing Kimber to follow whatever leasing policy we adopt. And obviously, we certainly discuss each lease negotiation as it is underway and before it
03:44:49.30	Unknown	is concluded. So I'm not worried that we won't have adequate feedback, but I would like to be sure that
03:44:57.75	Unknown	the scope of work more closely conforms to the...
03:45:04.22	Unknown	fee schedule that we received and the discussion we've had this evening.
03:45:11.56	Unknown	I guess what I'd like to do is authorize this to move forward and have the city manager bring this back to us on consent at our next meeting.
03:45:22.75	Councilmember Kelman	I'll dive in. Thank you, City Manager. I know this has been on our list for a long time, so thank you for your diligence in moving it forward. I have a similar but not quite aligned viewpoint. I think this financial reporting to the city section is fantastic. I mean, man, we've needed this for a long time, and that's just a really great place to start. But I would like to have more public comment type conversation around the management of new leases and the brokerage aspect of this. And that's, you guys have heard me in other settings, both in closed session and here, about my perspective on having objective standards that make it very easy for somebody to be able to tell exactly where we're going to go with the lease and how it gets filled in the negotiation. And so I just think that sets the consultant up for success, and I think it sets up for success. We don't have that right now.
03:46:16.09	Councilmember Kelman	So I need to see that. And I think in a situation where we have a very talented consultant at the helm who knows Sausalito, there could also be potential opportunities where he's representing somebody that, I don't know, maybe...
03:46:32.27	Councilmember Kelman	there's some conflict that we just can't anticipate yet. And we haven't really looked at yet because we haven't seen the full scope of work.
03:46:37.91	Councilmember Kelman	And so I just think it's important that we hammer that out in public and not have it just be consent. So that's my concern about it. But thank you. I thought the financial reporting stuff was really great to read.
03:46:50.71	Ian Sobieski	What else?
03:46:52.17	Council Member Lesting	I'm happy to, I mean, I'm obviously, I think this is, we've come a long way on finally getting property management for a lot of vacant spaces. And so we need to move this forward. And I hear the concerns of Council Member Kellman and Vice Mayor Cox. So I would support Vice Mayor Cox's suggestion of moving forward and then adding the scope broadened and consent to the next meeting.
03:47:16.09	Ian Sobieski	Yeah.
03:47:16.55	Ian Sobieski	you
03:47:16.80	Ian Sobieski	I guess I would comment the same thing. Just, you know, obviously I would like the scope have been different too. Unfortunately, that was our fault, right? We issued an RFP that had a certain scope and we missed it. All of us missed it. We should have said it then. I missed it too. I should have said it then. So we have to fix it later. But you can cancel this contract with short order if there's something that goes awry and we can.
03:47:38.15	Ian Sobieski	modify it as it goes on.
03:47:39.97	Ian Sobieski	What is the reality is today we're not providing property management services to our tenants and we shouldn't brook any delay. We should hire this great firm and get them started managing our portfolio and then work with them to make the relationship better and to serve our goals. And it's also on us to come up with our rental philosophy and when we have that.
03:48:00.10	Ian Sobieski	we should convey it to
03:48:01.81	Ian Sobieski	them and they will make sure to implement it, I'm sure.
03:48:04.85	Unknown	I think they can actually help us develop our policy based on their breadth of experience in three states with various properties.
03:48:16.78	Councilmember Hoffman	I actually agree that with most of the comments that have been made, especially that we need to have, I believe we need to have as much as the policy or what the thought process of the council in place at the time when we approve the contract. I don't agree that it should just come back on a consent calendar. It's too difficult to.
03:48:37.60	Councilmember Hoffman	it's too difficult for us to pull off a consent. It's too confusing for the public to understand what we're actually voting on when we're voting on it. So it's not a comment specifically on, you know, obviously, Kimber Management is more of a comment on we need to be precise in our habits here at the council and having the public understanding and knowing what's on the agenda and what we're actually voting on. So I also have some concerns or at least would like to address how we would flag potential conflicts with Kimber management and managing the city properties and properties, the private properties that they manage, and decision-making policies of the city, which, you know, theoretically, you could see there would be some sort of maybe potentially issues coming forward. But we need to address that as well, I think, so that we don't have –
03:49:33.96	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
03:49:34.39	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, so that everybody understands and knows how to proceed if something like that would come up. So anyway, that's fine.
03:49:43.45	Ian Sobieski	Thank you. Any comments? Is there a motion? Do you want to articulate what you're saying?
03:49:46.03	Unknown	Well, so I don't know what the council's pleasure is. You know, I can try to.
03:49:51.16	Unknown	Um,
03:49:52.49	Unknown	enunciate and supplement to exhibit A that we can adopt this evening or we can bring it back on consent.
03:50:00.15	Ian Sobieski	I'm ready to approve it as is, and we can approve changes.
03:50:04.79	Ian Sobieski	to the scope of work because the thing is terminable, terminatable, right? With very short order. And so,
03:50:10.72	Ian Sobieski	It's always a negotiation to change the scope of work.
03:50:10.78	Unknown	IT'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.
03:50:13.25	Unknown	I'm really uncomfortable with...
03:50:15.31	Unknown	approving it as is because
03:50:17.91	Unknown	Kimber has already...
03:50:19.54	Unknown	Enough.
03:50:20.25	Unknown	Described their intention to perform more than what is included in exhibit A.
03:50:25.62	Unknown	to the
03:50:26.53	Unknown	resolution and so I'm really uncomfortable
03:50:29.50	Unknown	approving a resolution that doesn't
03:50:31.76	Unknown	comport with their
03:50:33.30	Unknown	proposal.
03:50:34.14	Ian Sobieski	How do we get them to start tomorrow?
03:50:38.54	Councilmember Kelman	Depends what you want me to do. I'd like you to start...
03:50:40.42	Councilmember Hoffman	managing a property. The city manager can do a contract for a month. That's within his authority.
03:50:40.94	Councilmember Kelman	their property tomorrow.
03:50:46.09	Unknown	That's true.
03:50:46.49	Unknown	Thank you.
03:50:46.63	Unknown	That's true. All right. So I move that we adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute a professional services agreement with Kimber Companies for property management services for a month. while, and that part of those services will be to refine the Exhibit A scope of work and
03:51:19.50	Unknown	that was attached to our initial request for proposals and to return to us.
03:51:25.44	Unknown	no later than December 17 with the year-long, initial year-long professional services agreement with Kimber Companies.
03:51:37.42	Unknown	Thank you.
03:51:37.45	Sunshine	Thank you.
03:51:37.47	Unknown	that.
03:51:37.66	Sunshine	Thank you.
03:51:38.52	Sergio	So I think your motion mentioned adopting a resolution. I suspect you're not doing that, in part because the city manager would be executing this under
03:51:47.00	Unknown	All right, so we'll just authorize the city manager. So rather than adopt, I'm going to amend my motion. So rather than adopt a resolution, we're going to authorize the city manager to execute a 30-day professional services agreement with Kimber Companies.
03:51:59.32	Unknown	within his authority for property management services and returned to us no later than December 17 with a revised proposed professional services agreement embodying the scope of work described this evening and contained in the fee schedule provided by Kimber companies.
03:52:23.61	Unknown	Thank you.
03:52:23.93	Unknown	Council.
03:52:23.98	Sergio	Council, the other issue I think that we would like to correct is the fee schedule does not reflect the concept of the
03:52:24.55	Unknown	Thank you.
03:52:32.94	Sergio	a lowered percentage commission rate over time after five years that was mentioned by Mr. Huff today that we would
03:52:40.89	Sergio	I would recommend that being included as well.
03:52:42.44	Unknown	So I'll refine my motion to incorporate revised Exhibits A and Exhibits B that comport with the discussions this evening.
03:52:52.09	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you for that. May I also just say for the record though, we're doing this for a reason, so I don't want it just to be assumed that it gets approved without our thorough analysis when it comes back. Okay, thank you.
03:53:04.87	Unknown	agree this is to get moving
03:53:07.62	Unknown	Because we have so many properties and they need three months just to get their head around what we have. And so we can get them oriented and get their expert assistance in carrying this out.
03:53:21.42	Unknown	There's a motion pending. I'll second it.
03:53:22.96	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
03:53:23.02	Councilmember Hoffman	Let me...
03:53:23.43	Unknown	Okay.
03:53:24.19	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
03:53:24.22	Councilmember Hoffman	It's a friendly moment.
03:53:26.38	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, so for the reasons I had stated before, I'm uncomfortable with this. I think that the city manager has the authority to hire them for the month.
03:53:36.68	Councilmember Hoffman	but I think that if we're gonna take action at the city council level, we should know exactly what we're taking action on
03:53:42.30	Councilmember Hoffman	We've given input. There's going to be further
03:53:46.34	Councilmember Hoffman	and I would assume edits over the next month and
03:53:52.45	Councilmember Hoffman	My preference would be to have no motion today, understanding the city manager is going to hire Kimba for the month, and then vote on what is actually going to be before us. I think it's too confusing for me and for the public to figure out what we're voting on and understanding what's before us. And again, the issue of how do we identify conflicts and how do we navigate those need to be part of any discussion that we have.
03:54:19.64	Councilmember Hoffman	So.
03:54:20.85	Ian Sobieski	So motion on the floor that's been made and seconded any other discussion.
03:54:27.23	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
03:54:28.35	Ian Sobieski	All in favor, say aye.
03:54:29.97	Ian Sobieski	Aye. Aye. Opposed?
03:54:32.14	Ian Sobieski	No.
03:54:33.00	Ian Sobieski	Okay?
03:54:33.88	Ian Sobieski	past three to two.
03:54:34.96	Ian Sobieski	We'll move on to 5C, receive a presentation regarding SCBC, Cascade Leaf Marina.
03:54:41.39	Ian Sobieski	Yeah.
03:54:41.46	Peter Van Meter	Thank you.
03:54:41.51	Peter Van Meter	Thank you.
03:54:42.47	Ian Sobieski	and consider, yep. So city manager, do you want to take that?
03:54:49.42	Chris Zapata	I'll jump right in, Mayor and Council members of the public. Thank you for your patience. You know, the city of Sausalito and the Sausalito Community Boating Center have had a longstanding relationship
03:55:02.27	Chris Zapata	That relationship goes back before 2010. In 2010, the transition of the nonprofit, the 501 was set up and the city entered into agreement then. And some of the things that the
03:55:20.27	Chris Zapata	Sausalito Community Boating Center aspire to and is doing is they want to become a focal point for water access and education. They want to enhance the maritime heritage of Sausalito. They want to be environmental stewards and work toward that end.
03:55:35.93	Chris Zapata	And they want to continue to host community events, leverage other people's money, and create a waterfront opportunity that is compatible with neighbors around them. And so that has been their mission, and that's what we've sat and talked about in our conversations with them. We had specific questions about what the ask was, what it is that they would like to see from the city council they obviously have a lease that has expired in september of 2024 we've been working on a month to month since then with an understanding that we'd work in good faith to bring this forward to the city council so you could provide direction on this particular item their amendment to the lease and the the proposals that they have made to city staff include a 10-year extension of the lease with two five-year options, exclusive use of a certain area, provision for a liveaboard in the property. And so those are things that they would like the city council to consider. in our conversations with them, which go back at least six months with their board members who have been extremely cooperative and available to city staff. would like the City Council to consider in our conversations with them which go back at least six months with their board members who have been extremely cooperative and available to city staff to have these conversations we asked them some specific questions about community engagement they followed up by having an actual community meeting in which I believe 30 or so people
03:56:59.61	Chris Zapata	appeared and gave input to the board of the boating center. They have also provided an economic activity report that shows the grants they've gotten, the fundraising they've done, the in-kind work they've done, and, you know, that's all north of half a million dollars. And so in further conversations with them, you know, I think it's really clear that, you know, the mission of the 501C3, as stated earlier, is very, very in line with Sausalito's approach of trying to enhance maritime and preserve maritime and environmental stewardship. The question is, do you want to continue this relationship over a long term? And 20 years is a long term. The other question is, this particular area of town is extremely strategic. You have neighbors to the north, which are the Galilee Harbor folks. You have city properties and the cruising club. You have the Dunphy Park, the private property owners around that, the bulkhead, the Turney Street boat dock, the underwater streets that are directly east of the property that are all in consideration. And so I believe that to tie that property up for 20 years probably is not advisable. I've made this recommendation clear to the SCBC board. You know, they would prefer a longer-term lease. I told them I wouldn't recommend that. At the same time, I told them it's also not my decision to make. I don't press buttons. The city council presses those buttons on what to do or what not to do. So a lot of work that they've done to fine tune the revenue aspects of the facility. so some of the things that they brought forward in their business plan include, you know, lessons in sailing and boating, outreach to the greater Sausalito area, including Marin City, continued effort to get grants, and potential for a water taxi to flesh out their business model and also working in concert with our public or private or our parks and recreation department to in a private public or a 501c3 and city partnership to enhance revenue and so what they've proposed in their business plan is that you know currently for the last 11 years we've received no revenue from this property at the same time we know that they've gone out and gathered funds and made investments in the property to make it ADA compliant to provide access to work with their neighbors and also to create a plan that they believe will benefit Sausalito that aligns with their 501c3 value statement so tonight the recommendation is that you know we continue our relationship with the Sausalito community boating center that it be for five years that there be some revenue attached to that particular arrangement and agreement that there be an understanding that the live-ab provision is not the city of saaslo's decision to make it's a bc dc bay conservation development commission decision to make and some other things that you know may come up in the course of the council's questions to the actual group here so we have board members members here led by Ira Pollack and Raylene Gorham. So if you have questions for them or questions for staff, we're happy to entertain them.
04:00:34.05	Ian Sobieski	Any questions please for city manager?
04:00:39.07	Ian Sobieski	Thanks, man.
04:00:40.36	Unknown	I saw that some of the proposals from the Sausalito
04:00:49.74	Unknown	Boating Center included partnership with San Francisco water taxi to offer on demand services six pack charter boat pickup and drop off. And I also saw correspondence from Jacques all men and from the Galilee harbor asking that we maintain the current. um.
04:01:10.92	Unknown	use as a non-motorized use. So have you discussed those concerns from Galilee and others with Sausalito Boating Center?
04:01:25.92	Chris Zapata	Vice Mayor, thank you for the-
04:01:26.76	Unknown	Sorry, Cass Gidley Boating Center.
04:01:29.16	Chris Zapata	Yeah, I did not have that conversation with them. And also along that line, there was a letter of support for an extension of the lease by Gully Harbor, but they wanted a limit on the number of people that could arrive, which is six. So as it relates to the question, I'd really like for Mr. Pollack or one of the representatives from SCBC come up and address that question.
04:01:59.94	Raylene Gorham	Good evening, Council. Thanks so much for your time. Raylene Gorham here. I've been on the board of SCBC since 2018. And I also want to thank Chris Spott and all of your staff for the detailed handling of all of our questions and guidance to this point. We all really appreciate it. As far as the question concerns motorized versus not, a big part of our mission is to preserve our maritime heritage. And with that regard, we have a very unique fleet of traditional wooden boats, many of which were designed and or built in Sausalito. I don't know what your familiarity with is with wooden boats, but they do take a lot of time and maintenance and are not always up to, you know, accommodate all classes of sailors and what have you. So presently, you know, practically speaking, we are looking at a wider range of access to the waterfront. We are considering augmenting our fleet with other smaller learning vessels. And in addition to that, we would really like to open the doors to a wide variety of sailors' uses, pickup, access, increasing access to the waterfront. Because I firmly believe that when you have engagement with the water, you mobilize other stewards for the environment. And that is something that is enjoyed by many Sausaledans but not everybody who has a boat or that kind of access and frankly our town has shut down many dinghy docks and points of access so a lot of people want to do pickup drop-off. There are a lot of ways to engage. So, you know, we're still on mission here. The idea to have no motorized boats, I mean, we need a crash support boat to go out to help, you know, young or older sailors. We need, there are a lot of case scenarios. There are really interesting blue economy, you know, green technology coming forward. You know, I think that there's a sensitivity that is to be understood as far as the burden of, you know, we're not looking at big nighttime party ships, you know, I'll just say that, which I think is pretty much driving the fear. But there's a whole class of vessels that I think really support our mission. So we'd like to remain open to that.
04:05:07.74	Ian Sobieski	Any other questions?
04:05:10.80	Ian Sobieski	Thank you, Ms. Gorm.
04:05:11.81	Ian Sobieski	you
04:05:11.86	Raylene Gorham	Thank you.
04:05:11.96	Unknown	Thank you.
04:05:14.31	Ian Sobieski	Is there public comment?
04:05:16.25	Unknown	Peter Van Meter.
04:05:27.33	Peter Van Meter	Just about 50 years ago, I went down to Cass Gidley to learn how to sail.
04:05:32.26	Peter Van Meter	And we managed to break the mast on the first,
04:05:34.79	Peter Van Meter	venture out of the water.
04:05:36.48	Peter Van Meter	And I never did try sailing again. But no, it's not too late.
04:05:40.85	Peter Van Meter	So, so I'm looking forward to taking my first lesson down there. But no, really, there is a public mission here to have access by general public to the waterfront. They have gone to extraordinary efforts to have this old DOC be ADA compliant. There's no other facility in the Bay Area that I'm aware of that has that same level of ADA compliance.
04:06:02.30	Peter Van Meter	And they need to have some revenue
04:06:04.88	Peter Van Meter	in order to sustain this operation.
04:06:06.84	Peter Van Meter	To the extent that motorized vessels in a limited capacity and the fees that might be charged for that kind of service would help support this operation, I think that's absolutely critical. So this has got great history, great future, great compatibility with the goals of City of Sausalito, and this lease should be approved and extended. Thank you.
04:06:29.85	Unknown	Alice Merrill?
04:06:35.19	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
04:06:35.46	Alice Merrill	Hello. Um, well, you know, just to brag a little bit, I knew Kaz Gidley when I was a little tiny kid, and he was a really cool guy.
04:06:47.30	Alice Merrill	I think that that whole concept for this boating center is wonderful. And I've wanted it to, I mean, I've been hoping that it would continue and get better and get bigger and actually open and be. And I'm a little concerned about the charter boats because, um,
04:07:09.51	Alice Merrill	It's a different thing. I understand the need for the revenue that they might bring in, so I think it's got to be looked at as a...
04:07:17.95	Alice Merrill	is this working? And if it is working and it's not bothering the neighbors and it's not bothering the way that it puts together, then
04:07:27.80	Alice Merrill	then maybe it would work and it would be okay. But I would do it with a certain amount of let's give it a try and have a timeline that you can judge whether this is, with whether it's proceeding properly. But I would very much like for them to get their lease because I've been wanting this to happen, and it's a wonderful thing, and it's just you know for kids to be able to get out on the water just the way I did I was lucky and I would love other people to be lucky like that thank you
04:08:07.95	Unknown	We have Babette McDougall.
04:08:14.11	Babette McDougall	Thank you. Well, I think this is going to be a series of testimonials from longtime residents that happen to have history with Casas Marina. And I also happen to be one such person. My husband took me on my very first romantic boating outing.
04:08:30.22	Babette McDougall	That's why I'm renting a boat at Cass's.
04:08:32.96	Babette McDougall	It became so apparent to me that he should probably just get in his own sailboat.
04:08:36.97	Babette McDougall	because he was so good at it.
04:08:38.69	Babette McDougall	It was clear he had missed it for a long time. And it all started just by renting those little sailboats.
04:08:44.52	Babette McDougall	Cassis Marina.
04:08:45.97	Babette McDougall	So I'd like to see this go forward.
04:08:48.52	Babette McDougall	There's nothing better in
04:08:50.12	Babette McDougall	my book, then Having Access to a Shoreline,
04:08:53.33	Babette McDougall	that bridges the water
04:08:55.10	Babette McDougall	with the land, like what we have around the Dunphy Park area,
04:08:58.66	Babette McDougall	which is why I'd like to see the Dunphy Park expansion program.
04:09:02.42	Babette McDougall	finally completed.
04:09:03.96	Babette McDougall	as much open shoreline as we can.
04:09:06.59	Babette McDougall	I so think that this supports the kind of work
04:09:09.46	Babette McDougall	and the kind of boats
04:09:11.15	Babette McDougall	that are typical from
04:09:13.12	Babette McDougall	a Casmarina launch, like the Dories, for example.
04:09:16.34	Babette McDougall	and so many of the small wooden boats. So I really would love to see this thing go forward as it's been articulated this evening and as we've known it over time. Thank you.
04:09:29.86	Unknown	Next speaker, Sandra Bushmaker.
04:09:34.16	Sandra Bushmaker	Good evening, council.
04:09:36.31	Sandra Bushmaker	I do support the Community Boating Center and its mission. I do remain concerned that it's been 11 years and the city hasn't seen any revenue as Chris Zapata just said.
04:09:46.94	Sandra Bushmaker	informed you.
04:09:48.12	Sandra Bushmaker	from this property.
04:09:49.94	Sandra Bushmaker	So that's a concern of mine.
04:09:52.27	Sandra Bushmaker	I do.
04:09:53.67	Sandra Bushmaker	Also have concerns about commercial drop-off and pick-up.
04:09:58.46	Sandra Bushmaker	seems to be
04:10:00.40	Sandra Bushmaker	the antithesis of what a community voting center is, and I would like to see
04:10:05.53	Sandra Bushmaker	some safeguards put into any
04:10:08.54	Sandra Bushmaker	relationship, but I also like to see some
04:10:12.17	Sandra Bushmaker	rental income coming in to
04:10:15.12	Sandra Bushmaker	to the city from this property.
04:10:17.55	Sandra Bushmaker	After 11 years, there should be some track record of being able to get
04:10:22.26	Sandra Bushmaker	revenue.
04:10:23.64	Sandra Bushmaker	from the city property.
04:10:25.65	Sandra Bushmaker	But like I said, I'm a sailor myself. I have my own boat.
04:10:30.85	Sandra Bushmaker	I appreciate.
04:10:33.60	Sandra Bushmaker	teaching people how to sail,
04:10:35.50	Sandra Bushmaker	and how to navigate safely in the water, but this should not turn into a commercial dock.
04:10:40.99	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you very much.
04:10:44.35	Unknown	No further public comment.
04:10:46.67	Ian Sobieski	All right, any, Mr. Albert?
04:10:52.55	Ron Albert	I, uh,
04:10:53.19	Ron Albert	Ron Albert, former council member. When I was on the council, Cass Marina came before us with a signage request, and I went down, and the facility, I don't go back as far as some of the other people who spoke. When I went down there, the facilities had become pretty degraded, and what this group has done to upgrade those facilities is very substantial. It's under that it's taken as long as it has, you know, due to COVID and other things, but they're really on the cusp of opening and becoming a great boating center. And, you know and you should give them that chance. The concerns about motorized boats seem to me a little overblown. I think you could come up with some simple safeguards. Banning all motorized boats makes no sense at all. They're going to need to have a motorized craft there for emergencies if somebody has a problem out on the bay to take care of them. And water taxis have never really taken off on the bay. It would be great to have more water taxis. The most likely drop-offs are closer to downtown. It would be a very infrequent occasion when a water taxi came here. So I... drop-offs or closer to downtown. It would be a very infrequent occasion when a water taxi came here. You're not going to see a lot of motorized activity. You could restrict the size of the motorized boat that came in or something like that. I don't think it's a big concern. They ought to be allowed to have some motorized craft come in. I like the idea of a liveaboard also, the possibility of having a caretaker there at all times to protect the inventory of boats. So please find a way to move this forward. Thank you.
04:12:56.07	Unknown	We do have Kieran Culligan.
04:13:01.46	Kieran Culligan	I just want to say I support this proposal. It sounds amazing.
04:13:04.39	Kieran Culligan	I don't spend as much time on the water as other people. I recently bought a paddle board, so that's my way of getting out once a week before the farmers market.
04:13:11.38	Kieran Culligan	And to Raylene's point, it does give me a different connection and appreciation for a waterfront.
04:13:16.61	Kieran Culligan	that I didn't have before. And I'd love to see this move forward. We have zero water taxi to bounce us around right now. So the idea of it becoming this overwhelming thing is almost a laughable scenario to me. I would just love to have some little way to putt-putt around. So I'd love to see this move forward.
04:13:34.57	Kieran Culligan	some high level restrictions
04:13:36.91	Kieran Culligan	are needed fine, but it sounds great on the surface to me.
04:13:44.89	Ian Sobieski	Thank you. Any other comments? Seeing none. All right, we'll close public comment. Any discussion here or direction?
04:13:53.11	Unknown	Thank you.
04:13:55.94	Unknown	I will say that I used to rent a Brunswick 27 from Cass Marina in the late 80s.
04:14:03.71	Unknown	And it was amazing.
04:14:06.37	Unknown	I also owned a Cal 25 that I moored at the Marina Plaza and serviced at Anderson's Boat Yard. So there's some history for you. I'm concerned with the pace of progress in the last 11 years. I'm very appreciative of the overhaul that has occurred at Cascadley Sausalito Community Boating Center at the Cascadley Marina. But when you look at the lease,
04:14:46.28	Unknown	It talks about
04:14:48.97	Unknown	revenue to the city from the
04:14:55.11	Unknown	from the programs,
04:14:59.08	Unknown	being made available
04:15:00.98	Unknown	by
04:15:02.20	Unknown	the boating center, and so it certainly was contemplated
04:15:06.55	Unknown	2014 that
04:15:10.40	Unknown	the boating center would be operational
04:15:14.40	Unknown	before now.
04:15:16.62	Unknown	And so I am encouraged with the new leadership of the voting center and some of their
04:15:28.01	Unknown	and some of their ideas that they provided.
04:15:32.62	Unknown	Um,
04:15:34.04	Unknown	We asked them to provide us with a business plan
04:15:37.13	Unknown	This was not quite the business plan that I had in mind. It just said, you know, they'll undertake various activities to provide $15,000 per year to the city, including these various activities. So, um,
04:15:52.18	Unknown	And I'm also mindful of the support of their lease by...
04:16:01.75	Unknown	Galilee with the proviso that they not have motorized uses. So I'd like to further explore what those motorized uses would be, what their environmental impacts would be, particularly in light of the mandate that we are facing from BCDC to regrow our eelgrass in that area. So I would recommend that we perhaps
04:16:34.45	Unknown	grant an initial extension of a year with some milestones.
04:16:40.80	Unknown	and then evaluate it in a year's time.
04:16:44.66	Unknown	with the progress that they've made. Certainly they should be able to get opened within a year.
04:16:50.96	Unknown	further refine some of the activities and what will actually be feasible and what will actually
04:16:57.69	Unknown	provide revenue
04:16:59.55	Unknown	um,
04:17:01.96	Unknown	But I'm not comfortable tonight granting five years without a more concrete business plan and milestones. And, you know, this is a Sausalito boating center. It's something to serve Sausalito residents. And I'm really anxious for that to get up and running. I totally recognize the delays caused by COVID and various other challenges, which is why, you know, I remain committed to this organization. But I think as stewards for the city, we have to ensure that we collaborate with the center in such a way as to ensure its success. So those are my initial thoughts.
04:17:48.11	Councilmember Kelman	Sure. Hi, everybody. Thanks for staying and being here with us and all the hard work. I think as a council member, I'd like to help, and maybe the help is a slightly different direction. There's a reason the business plan was not fleshed out, and there's a reason we haven't gotten where we wanted to go since 2011 when you first got your 501c3 status so um i would prefer to see something slightly shorter to create an incentive where the city helps find some different opportunities for you and if my colleagues are comfortable um so uh like tam high it has a looking for potentially a home for their sailing program. That would be a really excellent partnership to bring to the table. The Galilee issue around motorized vehicles needs to be respected and discussed, but I wouldn't rule out water taxis. Alameda is using a water taxi service. Now I think it's something very exciting. There's also electric water taxis that Councilman Blossian and I have been thinking about for a long time and other members of the council. So I think we want to help and I think part of that help is a slightly different direction because what's happening now hasn't worked yet and we'd like for it to work because it's a win-win if it does, right? So that would be my direction, a slightly shorter window to create an incentive and an openness of continuing the dialogue and to give you the opportunity to go talk to a water taxi service, a Tam High sailing team type scenario. But there needs to be some more concrete partnerships to execute because this is one of the only waterfront access launching pads that we have in the city.
04:19:36.60	Councilmember Kelman	and it has to perform. And I don't mean financially. I mean, it has to perform in a manner that people can actually utilize it. And I see you nodding your head. So I hope that that is taken with the intent that I mean it, which is we all want that. And we all want to help you get there. So maybe we need to think about the problem set a little bit differently.
04:19:58.42	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, I think I'm the only person that was on the council when we approved this and waived the whatever fee it was, you know, to start it. But I'm still a supporter of the idea of this and helping us get there because I do view this as a community project and community supported, obviously, by the city because we're talking about city property, and we did waive whatever the initial permit fee was for this project I believe back in the 10 years ago or 11 years ago so I'm but I'm I see the progress it's it's great I mean we're I feel like you guys are getting there you're almost there you just need to have some revenue generating
04:20:42.92	Councilmember Hoffman	streams and partners and deciding, you know, sort of what direction is going to work in the context of your neighbors, principally Galilee, but also the cruising club, and that it's complementary to both of those. And I'm willing to also assist and, you know, do what I can to help it. I totally agree that it's a shorter runway right now just because you're not to the point, because for the council's responsibility of managing a piece of public property and public asset, we're not quite there yet in the length of time that the arc of this is getting to the point where it seems.
04:21:28.74	Councilmember Hoffman	know we're getting to the point where we need to figure out if it's going to be a go or no go but um to me i'm committed to the go um but i the concept that it's a community boating center to allow access to the water for not a you know for for not an exorbitant price um and but the scale is small which is what i recall that caskidley was when we first moved here because we also took our
04:21:55.26	Councilmember Hoffman	sun out on the water and enjoyed those incredibly, incredibly cheap. I think Presidio Yacht Club was the only place that had cheaper boats to get you out on the water, but then you had to sail, you know, troubled water sometimes. So anyway, that's my input.
04:22:13.98	Council Member Lesting	I really appreciate the efforts of the Community Boating Center and have been a long, long time fan of your efforts to get more folks on the water to make the docks more accessible. The improvements to the docks have been really impressive and the amount of time and energy put in. Plus, even the production of the Herring Festival is a huge effort and it's a big event that all of us love going to and the engagement with local restaurants. I remember fondly the COVID edition where you did a delivery of the herring to do a
04:22:44.32	Council Member Lesting	to folks doorsteps. And I know there's a lot of heart in this project. So we would really like to see it succeed. And I think exploring partnerships and looking at opportunities for revenue generating are the best way to do it. I'm trying to get a sense from my colleagues what the direction is, because it sounds like we're all on the same page in terms of being
04:23:03.94	Council Member Lesting	promoting the best path forward, which is finding some benchmarks to help be successful and demonstrate that there's a clear business plan and doing that in a timeline that makes sense
04:23:14.10	Council Member Lesting	for the council so
04:23:15.92	Council Member Lesting	I think what I'm hearing is that we want to have some sort of extension of the lease, perhaps not the full five years at this time until we review the benchmarks. But are you thinking like perhaps a one year with a six-month review?
04:23:30.03	Councilmember Kelman	Perfect.
04:23:30.39	Council Member Lesting	Thank you.
04:23:31.67	Councilmember Kelman	I was thinking of
04:23:32.51	Council Member Lesting	So,
04:23:32.68	Councilmember Kelman	monthly.
04:23:36.29	Councilmember Kelman	A six month review or a one year lease? A six month extension because we want to create some urgency around this because we want to see change. Um,
04:23:38.03	Council Member Lesting	and then it's a-
04:23:50.69	Ian Sobieski	I don't know. Why not? Come on up.
04:23:57.32	Unknown	Wait, you have to wait till you're to the mic.
04:23:59.58	Ian Sobieski	You have to come up to the microphone so that people on Zoom can hear you, sir.
04:24:03.02	Ian Sobieski	Could you just introduce yourself for the record?
04:24:04.54	Michael Dumont	Yeah, so my name is Michael Dumont. I'm a board member on the Community Boating Center.
04:24:10.25	Michael Dumont	The three things I wanted to just quickly respond to regarding the lease term and partnerships is we have actually had some initial conversations and at the stage we're at, folks are uncertain about partnering when they don't know what our future will be for the next year. And so they've expressed, yes, that sounds interesting, but we want to know that it's more than six months. We want to know that it's more than one.
04:24:35.80	Councilmember Kelman	Who have you spoken to? Can you give us details?
04:24:37.58	Michael Dumont	Sausalito Yacht Club and the Sausalito Youth Sailing Foundation. And...
04:24:44.98	Michael Dumont	the Water Taxi and the Outrigger Canoeing Club that's currently based out of Presidio Yacht Club.
04:24:52.33	Councilmember Kelman	Could you give more details? I mean, give it light on the table. We want to know like.
04:24:55.50	Michael Dumont	Yeah, they're looking for opportunities to sublease or a partnership with the marina that we're working to open to use that space to facilitate launching their boats safely and have access to the water. We don't have any detailed financial models from any of them except for the water taxi. but they have reached out and the Yacht Club had proposed different models where there's a rent fee or some continued investment in supporting the maintenance of the portion of the dock that they would be leasing. And so they had initial discussions and we have all of these on pause at the moment until we understand the future of our lease. And we also received direction previously earlier in these discussions this year that any sublease arrangements would need to be defined in our future lease and are not covered under the terms of our current lease. So that's part of why we have been unable to proceed there.
04:24:56.35	Councilmember Kelman	They're, they're,
04:26:09.50	Michael Dumont	Just ignore that. And then the only other thing I wanted to comment on about six months starting right now is that that six months will largely be in the season that water activities are less favorable. The weather conditions, like we won't be able to necessarily run the full gamut of sailing and rowing classes safely during that time period. So a longer one-year lease would, I think, give us more opportunity to meaningfully demonstrate progress there.
04:26:39.27	Councilmember Kelman	May I respond, Mayor?
04:26:41.92	Councilmember Kelman	So I was at a meeting at the cruising club. So I got to hear you and meet you. Thank you for this.
04:26:50.84	Councilmember Kelman	So I guess in a perfect world, I wish you guys had come in with a package and pitched us on this is why you should continue this lease because it's been almost 15 years, and the city could be running this program. We'd love for you to run the program. You've done a lot of work and a lot of sweat equity as well as fundraising. So how do we work with you to get that package, right? Because we also need to know that it's a good investment since we hold this in trust for the community and the community cannot use it right now. And so is there a way that we can have a conversation where the next six months is not about you performing to have people on the water, but
04:27:37.08	Councilmember Kelman	and signing those, right? We can sign a letter of intent that says, if you secure two of those four, then you'll have a lease for X amount of time, right? So any,
04:27:49.57	Councilmember Kelman	Anything you could tell us more about the opportunities?
04:27:51.21	Michael Dumont	Yeah, so we did actually have, I think there was a bit of a shift in direction we received from council. We were preparing to do a presentation ourselves tonight, and then that shifted to the staff report. And so there is a slightly more detailed program-by-program financial model that we have put together that I think rolls up into that $15,000 annually for the first two years that's summarized on the staff report. But we do have a bit more detail we can expand on there. Those programs are broken between individual rowing and sailing. After school rowing and sailing is sort of a week-long commitment or two-week-long commitment. There's a few different ways we've framed that. The six-pack docking fees, potential summer camps, and then rentals of our boat on an hourly basis during appropriate conditions and hours that we're able to stay.
04:28:52.08	Michael Dumont	So we do have a slightly more detailed model on a program by program basis. We have not yet reached out to Parks and Rec to start moving forward with that, partially because we are in negotiations with the city, and then partially because we only just received our final permit to open last Thursday. So that is a milestone that we have crossed even since our most recent meeting with the city staff.
04:29:19.83	Councilmember Kelman	Right, so
04:29:21.86	Councilmember Kelman	You said it, not me. We're in negotiations. So what would it take for you to sign those deals? What do those partners need to see from us?
04:29:36.84	Michael Dumont	I mean, I think.
04:29:40.10	Michael Dumont	Excuse me.
04:29:41.38	Michael Dumont	I think at minimum, the conversations we've had in the most detail are around the water taxi. And I think they're looking for a multi-year understanding of the opportunity, not necessarily 10 with two fives. I don't think, you know, I think that is aligned with the level of investment we've made on improving the property and the asset development we've done there. But I think they're looking for multi-year certainty. And the Yacht Club, I think, as well, is looking for multi-year possibility to move some of the youth sailing that is organized there as their sailing is outgrowing their facility. And that is also in conjunction with the tamilpai high sailing program so that is not a conversation that has been the high school sailing one has not been revived with our organization for at least a few years though
04:30:40.41	Unknown	Thank you.
04:30:40.89	Michael Dumont	Thank you.
04:30:42.59	Michael Dumont	And thank you for the opportunity to provide additional context here.
04:30:45.86	Ian Sobieski	Anyone else want to be recognized?
04:30:48.06	Unknown	Okay.
04:30:49.95	Ian Sobieski	Anyone else want to be recognized? Vice Mayor.
04:30:53.09	Unknown	I really feel like it's almost a chicken and egg conversation. So I still, you know, would like to maybe express our interest in proceeding with Cascadly, with Sausalito Community Boating Center,
04:31:16.14	Unknown	with the proviso that we would absolutely consider a longer term lease if they come to present us with, for example, a willingness by Sausalito Yacht Harbor to make a commitment to youth sailing for a specific amount of time so that we know that I'm really uncomfortable with this whole sublease. I love the Outrigger Canoe Club, but this is a Sausalito community boating center, and I want to make sure that we are really advancing Sausalito sailing. And the youth sailing program and the Tamil Pius High programs fit squarely within that mission. I'm not so certain that water taxis, while a nice revenue source, fits within the mission of making sailing more broadly available to Sausalito residents. There's no place right now that I can just go rent a boat other than Presidio Yacht Club, but that's only for veterans. And so I'm really committed to the initial mission that many of us remember and look forward to prolonging. And so I'd still like to make an initial one-year commitment with a six-month check-in to see what you can bring back to us in terms of proposed leases, proposed...
04:32:45.22	Unknown	programs.
04:32:46.54	Unknown	Um,
04:32:47.58	Unknown	but you are certainly welcome to communicate that
04:32:50.57	Unknown	should
04:32:51.43	Unknown	the
04:32:52.38	Unknown	menu of options that you return to us in six months, be satisfactory, we're absolutely
04:32:59.26	Unknown	invested in creating a longer term collaboration with you. Does that sound fair?
04:33:05.23	Councilmember Kelman	What happens at six months if it's not satisfactory?
04:33:05.81	Councilmember Hoffman	this.
04:33:08.41	Councilmember Hoffman	Um,
04:33:09.94	Councilmember Hoffman	I think that would be, yeah, I think that would be the evaluation, right? Are we moving in the right direction? Have we got, have you got, you seem to be close to getting some contracts or some agreements, right, with other groups. And so I think the check-in would be, extend for a year, and then at six months, though, are we on the right path? Is there, you know, are you going to actually be able to move forward? Or do we need to pivot? So something else, yeah. To something similar, right? Similar, but something else. So that seems to me to be the prudent way to go forward and us to assist you in any way that we can in securing those contracts.
04:33:34.43	Lauren Mendelsohn	or do we need to?
04:33:53.33	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, quick question for my colleagues.
04:33:54.15	Ian Sobieski	for my kids.
04:33:54.93	Ian Sobieski	Well, I'm...
04:33:55.28	Ian Sobieski	Thank you.
04:33:55.39	Ian Sobieski	Come to the podium, sir, but let's don't say anything yet, please.
04:33:58.07	Councilmember Kelman	You may know that you guys want a revenue share model, right?
04:34:02.49	Michael Dumont	That is the model we're proposing to continue with.
04:34:05.36	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, so we have a floor in most of our leases that are percentage-based.
04:34:09.65	Councilmember Kelman	And they should have that as well.
04:34:13.87	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
04:34:13.88	Unknown	a floor in most of our models that are percentage-based.
04:34:15.57	Councilmember Kelman	that are percentage based.
04:34:22.44	Ira Pollack	Thank you.
04:34:23.08	Ira Pollack	Can I say something real quick? Introduce yourself for the record. Yeah, sure. Ira Pollack. I'm a member of the board as well. I do want to thank Chris and team. They've been great to work with. I appreciate you guys staying until the late hour. So I think it's a reasonable approach. You want to give us a one-year lease with a six-month check-in. I'm going to tell you right now, if in six months, in three months, in four months, if we don't have programs already running, then that's going to be an issue, right? Because six months from now, we're going to be in the middle of summer. And if we don't have the programs up and running, then that's fine.
04:34:25.31	Ian Sobieski	Introduce yourself for the record. Yeah.
04:34:59.38	Ira Pollack	You know, don't extend it beyond that. But if we do have the programs up and running, right, then we'd like a longer term lease. It's as simple as that. So, yeah, we want this to be successful. We want Marin City to be a part of it. My kids graduated from TAM. The TAM sailing is great. We want to offer all these things. So, yeah, we shouldn't three months. It should be self-evident. We shouldn't have to come back here and have a big presentation. You should come down to the marina, jump on one of the boats, and enjoy yourself. And that would be proof positive that we've been successful.
04:35:31.86	Unknown	I love it. Congratulations on getting your permit. I was not aware of that. So congratulations. Job well done on that.
04:35:35.02	Ira Pollack	So congratulations.
04:35:36.28	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
04:35:37.41	Ira Pollack	All right.
04:35:38.38	Ira Pollack	Thank you.
04:35:39.42	Bruce Huff	You want to make a motion.
04:35:40.03	Unknown	Thank you.
04:35:40.45	Councilmember Kelman	So can I finish this thought about the floor? This is from the finance director, that we should keep a consistency in our leases, which would put them at, I think, 17,500 as a floor.
04:35:51.12	Councilmember Kelman	Again, this goes back to the big conversation we've been having, the meta conversation today about consistency and how we keep track. So I just want to note that my preference would be for it, but I'm not going to hold it up on it. But I think it's a serious thing for us to consider.
04:36:05.53	Ian Sobieski	so be
04:36:05.68	Councilmember Kelman	So be it.
04:36:08.12	Ian Sobieski	My two cents is, you know, I just...
04:36:10.54	Ian Sobieski	absent seeing a business model that is throwing off meaningful cash flow, and I put this in the community building center like the Sausalito Historical Society,
04:36:20.97	Ian Sobieski	to a much lesser extent, SCA, which pays a substantial monthly, not, but the historical society pays a dollar. So they had to recycle their donations back into programming and
04:36:30.81	Ian Sobieski	and they're building in similarly
04:36:32.81	Ian Sobieski	To me, the metric is how much activity do they give? How much vibrancy? What's the return on involvement effort? So you can't exactly quantify it, but I guess I just differ because $12,000 isn't going to move the needle. It's not going to fill any potholes, but it might provide a lot of sailing youth programming, and that's a way of doing more with less. If we try to do that as a city inside parks and rec, it could cost us a hundred thousand dollars and here it's costing zero or actually, uh, you know, uh, wouldn't do something else. So I kind of think that is the rental philosophy. We are going to be trying to hash out, uh, in our approach, but I wouldn't, um,
04:37:12.37	Ian Sobieski	try to squeeze blood out of a turnip if they have a, you know,
04:37:15.73	Ian Sobieski	there are
04:37:16.37	Ian Sobieski	If they're docking mega yachts there, which they're never going to do, then yeah, that's a different discussion.
04:37:20.35	Ian Sobieski	if they're teaching kids how to sail on FJs.
04:37:23.29	Ian Sobieski	That's a different animal.
04:37:27.10	Unknown	So mayor, the, oh, sorry.
04:37:28.35	Councilmember Kelman	I agree with all of that. I just really want to urge this council that we're going to keep saying that every time we have leases that aren't working out. And so this policy that we've been talking about is so important. I don't disagree at all, Mayor, with what you just had to say. I just think it's really important to stay consistent so that everybody knows what they can expect and then we can be fair to everyone. So I just want to put that on the record, but I don't disagree with anything you said. I agree. A lot of people.
04:37:54.30	Ian Sobieski	A lot of it's qualitative, you know.
04:37:56.46	Ian Sobieski	If you go down to the art center, it is packed. They couldn't squeeze into the Mia de los Muertos event.
04:38:03.65	Ian Sobieski	we're gonna know just as the gentleman said,
04:38:05.49	Ian Sobieski	in the summer.
04:38:07.04	Ian Sobieski	It's either going to be self evident that it's hopping.
04:38:09.10	Ian Sobieski	or thought.
04:38:10.08	Ian Sobieski	And so.
04:38:11.14	Ian Sobieski	It's going to be hard to like.
04:38:12.88	Ian Sobieski	quantify that in numbers. It's like, is the art good? You know, I don't know. You can look at it and that is meaningful or it's not.
04:38:19.58	Ian Sobieski	I agree we could if it was just about the numbers, you can quantify that. But if it's about the activity and it's.
04:38:25.59	Ian Sobieski	fulfillment of its qualitative mission, then that's quite a
04:38:29.94	Ian Sobieski	qualitative assessment, which is, I guess, why they have human beings up here and not artificial intelligence. So that's my two cents.
04:38:38.23	Unknown	Thanks, Mayor. So the staff recommendation was to provide direction
04:38:42.77	Unknown	and then that staff bring this back in January for agreement on a new lease. So I'd like to have staff bring this back to us in January with a...
04:38:51.83	Unknown	new lease.
04:38:53.26	Unknown	that comports with the direction we've given. It's an initial one-year term with a
04:38:59.19	Unknown	with.
04:39:00.05	Unknown	established milestones check-in in six months to decide how best to proceed. And I definitely think we've communicated tonight, I don't even mind if we do so in the lease, our interest in it being a longer-term lease so long as they demonstrate quantifiable progress between now and our six-month check-in.
04:39:26.85	Councilmember Hoffman	With the rent amount. Yeah. And by the city. And we can revisit that later if we need to, but I think it needs to be in the initial. Please.
04:39:29.60	Unknown	Yeah, so then by the way.
04:39:36.50	Unknown	So their proposal was $15,000 per year minimum. So that's what it would be for the first year, but to be determined.
04:39:48.11	Unknown	And city has to consent to any proposed sublease. No sublease without city consent.
04:39:57.35	Unknown	Can I say one more thing? And also, live a board is okay. One live a board provided they get BCDC approval.
04:40:04.75	Councilmember Kelman	I would just say, don't hesitate to come to us and say, hey, we can sign this deal. We just need you guys to say it could be multi-year. Don't let us miss that opportunity if you're working that angle really hard, okay?
04:40:22.03	Ian Sobieski	Okay.
04:40:22.58	Unknown	And thank you very much for your service to our community.
04:40:26.97	Ian Sobieski	We'll now move on to- Thank you for listening.
04:40:28.74	Unknown	Thank you for listening to us.
04:40:29.97	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
04:40:30.03	Unknown	Thank you.
04:40:31.60	Ian Sobieski	We'll move on now to public comment for items not on the record. This is a time for members of the public to provide comment on any item not on the agenda. And through city clerk, will you please recognize anyone who wishes to speak?
04:40:45.57	Unknown	Let's start with Kieran Culligan.
04:40:50.54	Kieran Culligan	Right there, on the topic of AB 413,
04:40:54.70	Kieran Culligan	That's the bill that was passed a little over a year ago.
04:40:57.68	Kieran Culligan	that requires essentially a safe zone for crosswalks so that drivers can see pedestrians better, because it's a safer environment.
04:41:06.74	Kieran Culligan	You got a report on that in December.
04:41:09.72	Kieran Culligan	of 2023 saying that you would get a follow-up report
04:41:13.36	Kieran Culligan	in a couple of months on how that would be implemented. I don't know if you got that, I don't recall it.
04:41:18.91	Kieran Culligan	But it would be good. I know in San Francisco, this is now becoming a hot topic of people
04:41:24.46	Kieran Culligan	People are passionate about their parking, and when they see parking going away, it can be a hot topic. So I think it would be great for the city.
04:41:30.66	Kieran Culligan	to get ahead of that in terms of how are things going to be marked or signed or policy set
04:41:35.79	Kieran Culligan	and using currents and other places to explain the rationale for why these changes are happening, and the focus on safety, all of our safety, especially people who are walking about town,
04:41:47.09	Kieran Culligan	So just a suggestion for something to get ahead of, knowing that that deadline is coming up soon.
04:41:52.71	Kieran Culligan	Thank you.
04:41:52.95	Unknown	Thank you.
04:41:53.02	Kieran Culligan	Thank you.
04:41:53.03	Unknown	Thank you.
04:41:53.05	Kieran Culligan	Thank you.
04:41:55.46	Unknown	Mr. City Attorney, are you aware of that, what he was just describing?
04:41:55.85	Sergio	THE CITY ATTORNEY.
04:42:01.61	Sergio	David Lundgren, MCB413 yes yeah and Kevin did provide a pretty in depth presentation to the city council, I think it was about four months ago, and that was his second one that he had presented to the Council, I mean if the Council would like an update certainly putting it on the future agenda items calendar would be appropriate.
04:42:19.48	Unknown	And are we going to meet our deadline that was referenced by Mr. Kiernan?
04:42:24.74	Sergio	Yeah, so I do not know. That is a question for the Public Works Director. But we can certainly check in with them.
04:42:31.79	Councilmember Hoffman	Thanks.
04:42:34.14	Councilmember Hoffman	I'm sorry, I couldn't hear what it was about. So AB 413 pertains to? Oh, crosswalk. Okay, pardon me. Thank you.
04:42:44.11	Ian Sobieski	Mr. City Clerk, is anyone else?
04:42:45.67	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
04:42:45.70	Unknown	Yeah.
04:42:45.87	Unknown	Thank you.
04:42:46.97	Unknown	Bread.
04:42:47.27	Fred	Thank you.
04:42:50.78	Fred	Good evening. Sorry for the late night. I just want to thank all the candidates who were running for council this time and taking the time and effort and money to be invested in the city and share their view and vision of where they want the city to go. And especially congratulate Ian and Melissa and Stephen for their re-election and election. And I look forward to seeing all the great things that the new council will be doing in the upcoming years. So thank you very much again.
04:43:20.99	Ian Sobieski	very much.
04:43:23.06	Unknown	Thank you.
04:43:23.28	Ian Sobieski	So,
04:43:23.43	Fred	Sure.
04:43:23.53	Unknown	Thank you.
04:43:24.82	Unknown	Babette McTugall.
04:43:28.65	Babette McDougall	Thank you. I too would like to echo congratulations to all the candidates, especially the three that prevailed.
04:43:36.93	Babette McDougall	It was certainly an unusual
04:43:39.73	Babette McDougall	Campaign.
04:43:41.13	Babette McDougall	for the city of Sausalito in terms of looking at the big picture. I'm sure Ron Albert would agree with that.
04:43:47.38	Babette McDougall	So I would just like to say that this has been a generally good meeting this evening.
04:43:53.60	Babette McDougall	even though I was very sorry to hear
04:43:56.20	Babette McDougall	Ms. Blaustein comment that she felt like she was being
04:43:59.63	Babette McDougall	Sandbag was the word I think she used, but I think she meant blindsided.
04:44:03.49	Babette McDougall	because of this Levine discussion,
04:44:05.81	Babette McDougall	that was really quite necessary.
04:44:07.97	Babette McDougall	And it's necessary because especially just coming through
04:44:11.34	Babette McDougall	an unusual approach to campaigning
04:44:14.12	Babette McDougall	which we all certainly saw play out.
04:44:16.49	Babette McDougall	not just nationally, but locally.
04:44:18.88	Babette McDougall	And also that we see a genuine disregard for the institutions that allow us to conduct ourselves as a civil society and as a body of council members, you yourselves as a council body.
04:44:36.49	Babette McDougall	have often made note of the fact that it's absolutely essential
04:44:40.84	Babette McDougall	that we treat each other with respect
04:44:43.03	Babette McDougall	You know, this respect is fundamentally rooted...
04:44:45.55	Babette McDougall	in our democratic institutions and to flout them
04:44:49.88	Babette McDougall	or to feel that you're being blindsided because once again, they're being brought to your attention. And it's just unfortunate that...
04:44:56.50	Babette McDougall	Your worldly experience hasn't given you more direct
04:44:59.40	Babette McDougall	hands on before this evening.
04:45:01.33	Babette McDougall	But going forward,
04:45:02.69	Babette McDougall	It does not ever benefit
04:45:04.78	Babette McDougall	either your constituents or you.
04:45:07.33	Babette McDougall	as so-called professionals to ever denigrate the very institutions that make it possible
04:45:13.22	Babette McDougall	for you to be here in the first place. So I would really encourage us as we go forward,
04:45:18.35	Babette McDougall	to really start with renewed
04:45:20.68	Babette McDougall	Vigor
04:45:22.17	Babette McDougall	for lack of a better word, and go forward working in positive concert so that the residents are heard.
04:45:29.94	Babette McDougall	and listened to in a way that policy
04:45:34.79	Unknown	Next speaker is Sandra Bushmaker.
04:45:39.51	Sandra Bushmaker	I'll just make this very quick. At the October 4th Finance Committee, it was announced by Vice Mayor
04:45:47.75	Sandra Bushmaker	Cox said there's going to be a finance committee meeting on November 12th.
04:45:52.22	Sandra Bushmaker	at 1030 to 12.
04:45:54.18	Sandra Bushmaker	And I went to sign on to that meeting and found that there was no meeting scheduled. And I would just like to.
04:46:02.78	Sandra Bushmaker	Um,
04:46:04.59	Sandra Bushmaker	State my concern about the Finance Committee meetings. Now that they are noticed as special meetings, there's only 24-hour notice. How are we to know?
04:46:13.70	Sandra Bushmaker	particularly in
04:46:15.39	Sandra Bushmaker	when the next meeting is going to be, number one.
04:46:18.34	Sandra Bushmaker	And number two, in the instance of the November 12th meeting,
04:46:22.12	Sandra Bushmaker	What happened to that meeting? It just seemed to have disappeared. And I'm very interested in following
04:46:28.52	Sandra Bushmaker	the
04:46:30.78	Sandra Bushmaker	discussions during those finance meetings. Thank you.
04:46:38.32	Chris Zapata	City Manager, would you like to comment on that? I would. Thank you, Mayor. Residents and Mrs. Bushmaker, I apologize. That mishap was my responsibility. It didn't get done. So we will do better in the future, and we'll make sure there's more notice and that these meetings happen and occur regularly. So, again, my apologies to the public and to you for attending a meeting that we didn't follow through on.
04:47:05.12	Unknown	And Mr. City Manager, may I suggest that any
04:47:08.98	Unknown	resident who would like to be notified regarding finance committee meetings
04:47:13.56	Unknown	simply provide their contact information to the city clerk,
04:47:16.85	Unknown	who will then forward to them the agenda for any upcoming finance committee meeting as soon as it is publicly available. And obviously it is our goal to make those agendas available more than 24 hours in advance.
04:47:30.90	Chris Zapata	Can do.
04:47:31.38	Chris Zapata	Thank you.
04:47:35.56	Ian Sobieski	All right, any other comments? Oh, Mr. Woodside.
04:47:40.93	Unknown	Just like to invite you all, if you're not doing anything else, on Friday evening between 4 and 6, our new executive director at the Call of the Sea, Ms. Carla Thorson. There's a meet and greet at the Bay Model Visitor Center. It's open to the public to come by and say hello and meet her. She has worked in the nonprofit world. She's a sailor. She worked at the Commonwealth Club, the World Affairs Council. She has a PhD. She's brilliant. And we're looking forward to her long-term working with Call of the Sea. I just thought...
04:48:14.34	Unknown	You should all know about that event should you choose to come. Thank you.
04:48:18.56	Ian Sobieski	Thank you and congratulations.
04:48:22.09	Ian Sobieski	Mr. City Clerk.
04:48:23.86	Ian Sobieski	Okay, we'll close public comment. Any council member committee reports?
04:48:27.55	Councilmember Kelman	I do have one that's more of a suggestion that some of you will have to take up. My recommendation, I'm on the sewer committee, soon not to be. I think that that committee should disband. This is too big of a consolidation effort for a subcommittee to adequately make strong decisions on. There's a lot of moving parts. And already what has happened has been so much information that has passed through that I just want to make sure everybody is exactly on the same page. I think, you know the you know how i feel about the fire consolidation and whatever slips through the cracks so i just want to make that recommendation um obviously someone else will need to step on in a couple weeks anyway so that's just want to put that out there
04:49:10.47	Ian Sobieski	Any other committee reports?
04:49:12.05	Ian Sobieski	Yes.
04:49:13.24	Councilmember Hoffman	I agree with that. I think I was assigned to the sewer committee, agreed to, a couple months ago, I think. But it is just too big. And it's too big for anybody to step in at this point and be expected to give any kind of recommendation at the council level, which is usually why you have a working group or you're on a subcommittee is that you vet things and you spend a lot of time on it. And then you the two council members bring that to the council. I think it's too big and I think we probably need to devote
04:49:45.84	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, one or two city council meetings to it. Certainly a lot of time at the council to fully vet all the different parts. I mean, it's not as complicated as the housing element, but the long-term ramifications of it are substantial. And I think the full council needs to all be together and brought to speed at the same time, including our new council member.
04:50:07.66	Councilmember Kelman	It was a loss to not have the vice mayor be able to continue in that your knowledge was far surpassed anything else we could have brought to the table.
04:50:18.29	Ian Sobieski	Thank you. Any other committee reports?
04:50:19.79	Chris Zapata	Thank you.
04:50:21.48	Chris Zapata	City Manager, would you like to provide a report? Yes, Mayor, members of Council, sorry for the late hours. I'll be brief. In your packet, there's a report on Kimber Communications, the Destination Sosito website. One of the things that I wanted to make clear, this agreement was entered into beginning in 2019. In the past year, the City Council directed that we end the relationship with CDA, create a digital agency, and so Destination Saucyutel remains our one digital footprint out there that gets out to the world. The attached report shows that there's 100,000 hits over a year. It speaks to the different places that are hitting it, whether it's San Jose, Oakland, San Francisco, or other parts of the state. It speaks to the languages that people speak that are involved in that and it also provides the amount of the contract, which is $20,000 a year. This has been ongoing since 2019. If you all believe that this is not necessary, not warranted, then, you know, that's pretty easy to fix. But I think that our recommendation that we not be bare for some type of digital footprint in which to not keep CDA but to keep Destination Sausalito is important. So that's in the staff report that is submitted as part of this city manager update. And then I also want to shift gears and talk about the weather. We understand that, you know, we're involved in some weather. And so Public Works has been being a responder in advance of the weather. They've been cleaning catch basins, clearing storm drains, sweeping streets, scheduling overtime for our crews, providing sandbags for the public, coordinating with our fire districts in the county's emergency operations center, and Tabitha put out a special edition of currents so that the public understands what the city is doing and what's available today. That concludes my information.
04:52:28.19	Ian Sobieski	Thank you. Are there future agenda items for anyone?
04:52:31.25	Unknown	the Levine Act, which is for December 3 briefing. We also will be, I would like the agenda setting committee to report that we will also be conducting performance reviews of the city manager and the city attorney on December 3.
04:52:50.35	Council Member Lesting	I just want to add to that that the Levine Act is supposed to shift as of January 1st. So whatever we discuss on the 3rd should take into account the changes as effective on January 1st, or we should hear it after January 1st, because it'll become immediately irrelevant if we don't do that.
04:53:07.68	Ian Sobieski	Any other future genotypes?
04:53:10.35	Unknown	There was something else that we talked about just now when
04:53:13.99	Unknown	there was public comment.
04:53:16.01	Unknown	Yes, the crosswalk, a follow-up on AB 314. Whether it's from the city attorney or the public works director, we'd like a follow-up on 314 to be sure that we're going to meet the required timeline.
04:53:32.92	Council Member Lesting	I think we agendized. Oh, excuse me. Sorry.
04:53:33.45	Unknown	Thank you.
04:53:33.46	Ian Sobieski	Good.
04:53:35.08	Ian Sobieski	I'd like to add two things. One is we, as a city council did, of course, direct
04:53:41.63	Ian Sobieski	see staff to talk to local hoteliers about the idea of expanding their hotel business.
04:53:47.94	Ian Sobieski	seeing the profound effect that hotel toot could pay influence on our infrastructure bill then I think we should consider having a broader policy statement about being more proactive in soliciting additional hotel rooms, we should decide on how many hotel rooms you want.
04:54:03.65	Ian Sobieski	and actually figure out if there's a way of getting them.
04:54:06.37	Ian Sobieski	And we should also undertake, if growing the economy is the way of paying for infrastructure, we should undertake at least part of that effort, which is reviewing our permitting process for ideas on how we can streamline and promote economic development. Those are two.
04:54:23.41	Unknown	So we're talking about scheduling a strategic planning session in January for this council. May I suggest those topics would be great to address at the strategic planning session.
04:54:35.80	Ian Sobieski	put them out there and if the next mayor chooses to schedule them in the strategic meeting all the better but if not then they're on the list of future agenda items
04:54:46.06	Ian Sobieski	Any public comment on the city manager report or any of these items? Mr. City Clerk?
04:54:56.32	Unknown	See you then.
04:54:57.01	Ian Sobieski	All right, we'll close public comment, and we will adjourn, wishing everyone a very happy Thanksgiving. There is indeed much to be grateful for. Good night to you.
04:55:04.40	Unknown	Thank you everyone.