City Council Dec 3, 2024

Dec 3

City Council Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:00:29	I: CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL & ADJOURN TO CLOSED SESSION	The meeting was called to order, roll call was taken, and the council adjourned to a closed session. Items to be discussed in closed session included public employee performance evaluations for the city manager and city attorney, and conference with legal counsel regarding existing litigation: Great Wall Investment America, LLC and Ying Zhu versus the city of Sausalito. (00:00:59) After the closed session, there were no announcements. (00:02:20) The meeting continued with the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:02:42	2: ACTION MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING	The council is asked to adopt the action minutes from the November 19th meeting. The mayor opens the floor for public comment, and after no one comes forward, public comment is closed.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:03:21	3: CONSENT CALENDAR	The council is considering the consent calendar which includes items that will be voted on together, but any council member can request removal of an item. The consent calendar items are: 3A, receive and file the annual listing of expiring terms of the various board and commissioners for the calendar year 2025, 3B approval of an updated salary range for the chief building official, 3C approval of the updated job classification code enforcement official and allow future non-substantive corrections to be approved by the city manager, 3D, adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute a contract amendment with California consulting in amount not to exceed $68,430 with California consulting to assist the city with grant applications for various projects within Sausalito, paid for from the general fund, 3E, receive and file the annual report on the construction traffic road fee for fiscal year 2324 under the mitigation fee act and adopt a resolution making required findings pursuant to California Government code section 66001, 3F authorized $120,000 increase in contingency funded by the Tidelands Fund for a total contingency of $378,511 for the ferry landside improvement project and authorize the city manager to execute change orders and other contract documents necessary to move forward with additional improvements to the ferry landside improvement project to increase safety and environmental resiliency and reduce lifestyle costs and 3g receive and file report on upcoming changes to the lean act. Councilmember Kellen requested to remove item 3F (00:04:59). Councilmember Hoffman asked a question about item 3B regarding the chief building official position and its requirements (00:05:08). The city manager explained the difficulty in hiring an internal chief building official and HR manager Kathy Nikitas provided more details about the recruitment challenges and the cost comparison between hiring internally versus using a consultant (00:05:44).	Councilmember Cox motioned to approve the consent calendar excluding item 3F, seconded by Council Member Blaustein (00:08:32). The motion passed unanimously.	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:08:06 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: Asked if the ferry landing additional funds item (3F) was removed from the consent calendar and was informed that it had been.
00:08:52	3.F: Authorize a $120,000 increase in contingency funded by the Tidelands Fund (for a total project contingency of $378,511) for the Ferry Landside Improvement Project and authorize the City Manager to execute change orders and other contract documents nec	The council discussed and considered a request to authorize a $120,000 increase in contingency, funded by the Tidelands Fund, for the Ferry Landside Improvement Project, bringing the total contingency to $378,511. Councilmember Kellen expressed concerns about the use of Tidelands funds, environmental resiliency efforts, and the budgeting process, questioning the material selection process and changes made since the matter was last heard. Director McGowan explained the design team's consideration of alternative materials, emphasizing the need to balance budget constraints with safety and disability access. (00:15:11) Director McGowan stated that the emphasis originally was to meet the budget. The City Attorney clarified the permitted uses of the Tidelands Fund, highlighting its restriction to commerce, navigation, fisheries, and public recreational purposes. (00:17:56) The City Manager confirmed the Tidelands Fund balance and annual replenishment. The increase in contingency is due to unforeseen conditions discovered during construction, including railroad debris and utility lines. Councilmember Hoffman raised concerns about the project's evolving costs and the location of the new planting area, questioning the necessity of the increased contingency. Councilmember Blaustein inquired about the unforeseen underground conditions and their impact on the budget, acknowledging the efforts made to stay within budget. After a lengthy discussion, the council agreed that it should be a priority to continue to honor Jack Tracy's name on the Promenade. Councilmember Kellen noted that the project never really included better resilience opportunities or anything around sea level rise. (00:52:16) Councilmember Hoffman was a bit disappointed to see the item again. (00:55:22) and also proposed that there be a process to consider those three approaches when bringing projects forward. Councilmember Blaustein wondered if there was a path forward to approve the contingency and find a budget to use a climate friendly material.	The council moved to authorize a $120,000 increase in contingency funded by the Tidelands Fund, for a total contingency of $378,511 for the Ferry Landside Improvement Project. They also authorized the City Manager to execute necessary change orders and contract documents to enhance safety, environmental resilience, and reduce life cycle costs for the project. (01:05:12)	10 Total: 6 In Favor 4 Against 0 Neutral
00:34:42 Alice Merrill was Against: Expressed concerns about cost overruns, suggesting the project should be called off until funds are available. She urged the council to retain Tracy's name in association with the new promenade. She expressed that she wished that the city had learned from the Dunphy Park issue. 00:36:40 Sandra Bushmaker was Against: Hoped that Jack Tracy's name is included in this project. She argued that the need for additional contingency fees is not unforeseeable given the area's history as a railroad and a fetid pond. Concerned about insufficient historical research and urged staying within budget. 00:38:43 Kieran Culligan was In Favor: Acknowledged disliking budget overruns but noted the progress in managing them compared to past projects. He suggested potential artistic benefits from using concrete and supported directing water in productive ways. 00:40:41 Jeffrey Chase was Against: Accused the council of cutting off public comment at the beginning of meetings. He claimed asphalt pouring raises temperature and alleged connections between the council and contractors/consultants. 00:43:01 Babette McDougall was Against: Noted that the cost overruns were not surprising. Urged the council to engage people who have lived in the town longer, and said she was surprised they were willing to skirt the idea of Tracy Way, and that most citizens thought it was going to be called for public referendum. 00:44:48 Director Hess was In Favor: Acknowledged the typicality of budget overruns in construction and appreciated the council's due diligence. Supported the staff recommendation and the change in Tracy Way and wanted to keep this small overrun as minimal as possible. 00:46:16 Adrian Brinton was In Favor: Expressed disappointment at the overrun, but advocated for completing the project properly with the best materials while the construction crews are mobilized. Supported honoring Jack Tracy's name. Believed that now is the time to do this and do it right. 00:48:18 Mary Griffin was In Favor: Supported the project change, describing it as an upgrade with added value and emphasized the importance of Tracy Way to the overall ferry improvements. Said that this was relatively minor and it will make it a better project. 00:49:20 Charles Melton was In Favor: Supported retaining Tracy Way and Jack Tracy's legacy and commended the environmental benefits of the new design with bioswales. Appreciated that the city staff have provided a reasonable and justifiable solution to improve the area, put environmental protection there at the forefront of it, and really complete the project. 00:51:28 Sharna was In Favor: Excited about the project's progress and supported the budget increase. Noted that it was not ideal to have budget overruns but, the staff is pouring concrete and this is the best time to get savings from having them on site already.
01:05:47	4.A: Adopt a Resolution to Authorize the City Manager to Amend the Installation Agreement with Climatec LLC to Implement Certain Energy Conservation Measures Under California Government Code 4217.10 et seq. and Adopt Findings in Accordance with California	Katie Thao Garcia introduced the resolution to amend the installation agreement with Climatec LLC for energy conservation measures, citing infrastructure needs and climate action goals. The program, developed with former Mayor Blaustein and the Sustainability Commission, seeks to modernize infrastructure, decrease greenhouse gas emissions, and protect the city's budget from energy cost escalations. Climatec LLC was chosen after a comprehensive RFP process. Katie says there is an opportunity to take advantage of $770,000 in savings in the first five years. Tyler Gertman from Climatec presented the program objectives, aligning it with city plans and expediting greenhouse gas reductions. (01:10:58) The presentation detailed the city's annual utility budget, infrastructure needs, and potential savings through energy-efficient projects. The base phase includes lighting upgrades, a Smart City Mesh Network, heating and cooling improvements, and renewable energy and EV infrastructure. The life cycle savings are estimated between $3.1 million and $6.9 million. (01:16:27) The project's funding plan includes a reimbursement grant from the federal government and PG&E on-bill financing. (01:17:10) The discussion addressed concerns about the cost justification of new Wi-Fi, the impact of renewable energy on projected costs, the use of discounted present value, and the scalability of the project. Councilmembers also questioned the location of EV chargers, the HVAC system at the old city hall, and the exclusion of city hall solar. Councilmembers Blaustein and Kelman stressed the importance of applying a climate lens. Additional funding for a microgrid was also discussed. (01:33:43) Councilmembers considered and discussed funding sources and allocations over two budget cycles, as well as the need to coordinate Public Works efforts with ongoing projects. They raised questions about solar panel replacement costs, potential changes to the Inflation Reduction Act monies, and the prioritization of infrastructure needs. Councilmember Hoffman expressed concerns about the MLK complex investment. Councilmember Blaustein asked about specific cost savings. Ongoing tracking of savings and training for staff was requested. Some of the existing leases with tennants at MLK were discussed. A potential risk with the government's inability to fund their reimbursement program was discussed. (01:47:59) Councilmember Hoffman expressed the difficulty of what constituted the highest priorities when considering new infrastructure. Councilmember Kelman explained reasons for supporting the project, as well as increasing revenue to the city. All of those discussion points were debated and agreed upon.	Motion to approve the Climatec contract (02:49:13)	8 Total: 2 In Favor 4 Against 2 Neutral
02:09:01 Mark Palmer was In Favor: As chair of the Sustainability Commission, he supports the program. Mark emphasizes that the Infrastructure Modernization program represents a major step forward in implementing the 2015 Climate Action Plan, the 2019 Low Emissions Action Plan, The 2021 Sausalito General Plan, and the City Strategic Plan. This is a well-established project delivery method where initial capital costs are paid back through lower energy bills. Sausalito receives important and overdue upgrades to our municipal facilities. 02:10:52 Hank Baker was Against: Hank is a developer and member of EDAC, PBID, and Parking Committee. Expresses concerns about the economic sense of the project, the assumption of high utility cost increases (5% to 10%), and questions whether prepaying utility costs is the best use of city funds. 02:13:07 Jeffrey Chase was Neutral: He says he believes in negawatts instead of megawatts. Thinks individual effort to protect the climate is important. 02:15:27 Synthes Egink was In Favor: The money is there so let's spend it. Thinks that since the federal government wants to give money to rebuild infrastructure, the town should take it. 02:15:56 Alice Merrill was Against: Expresses ethical concerns about the city potentially profiting off tenants' electricity bills and prefers humanizing electricity billing costs to the tenants. 02:16:55 Eva was Against: Concurs with Alice Merrill and Jeff Chase. Supports an austere lifestyle. Believes commission climate plans are window dressing, mentions money should not be used for weapons for war. 02:18:36 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: Sandra understands that Sausalito Council is obligating itself to spend $1.9 million and risks not having that money come back to Sausalito from government reimbursement. Also recommends that there should be a tracking mechanism for savings with reports back to the council. 02:28:22 Babette McDougall was Against: Expresses dissatisfaction with the appearance of LED lights in the town at night and suggests a more innovative approach.
02:59:54.36	5.A: Hotel Solicitation Update to City Council and Discussion of Other Potential Alternatives	The City Manager provided an update on the council's direction from March 2023 to explore adding hotel rooms to Sausalito. Staff contacted the four existing hotels, the owner of the Valhalla (Sally Stanford House), and a Mill Valley operator, but none expressed interest. The City Manager noted that hotels generate a significant amount of revenue for the city (2.1 million dollars), and recommended considering floating hotels and engaging professional help to work with hotel chains. He also mentioned the issue of short-term rentals impacting the community. (03:00:12.82) The council discussed several options, including engaging the PBID (Property Business Improvement District) to fund a hotel consultant, obtaining metrics on hotel occupancy rates, and exploring potential objections from neighborhoods. Councilmember Blaustein suggested the PBID could fund a consultant (03:08:34.92). Councilmember Hoffman requested metrics on hotel occupancy rates before further action (03:09:58.05). The council generally agreed to explore the "flotel" concept further, with some members volunteering to serve on a task force. (03:19:50.73) The council also discussed the importance of economic growth and generating revenue without raising taxes to address infrastructure needs.	No Motion	5 Total: 1 In Favor 2 Against 2 Neutral
03:12:29.35 Gregory Taylor was Neutral: Started to talk about immigration but was reminded the meeting was about hotels. Complained about the late hour of the meeting. 03:13:04.08 Hank Baker was In Favor: Stated that the city needs another hotel and that the city has also done an economic development study that indicated back in 2018 or 19 that we needed another hotel. He suggested the city pre-approve a site, size, and massing to attract developers due to Sausalito's difficult approval process. Believes the problem is not feasibility but the will of the city to approve something. 03:14:44.82 Synthes Egink was Against: Suggested focusing on the desirability of Sausalito, encouraging short-term rentals, investing in local hotels, and avoiding development on historical sites like Itakchi Park. Does not want any chains. 03:15:44.56 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Suggests the bed and breakfast concept and revisiting short-term rentals. Mentions data available from convention and visitor bureau organizations, and the TOT tracking data. Agrees with Hank that there is data that we can derive from what we already have. 03:17:37.43 Sandra Bushmaker was Against: Reminded the council of a petition signed by 700 residents opposing short-term rentals and advocating for enforcing the 30-day minimum rental. Reminded the council that members of the Working Waterfront Coalition approached the council last year about floating homes and mentioned a member working with a floating Flotel.
03:33:25	6: COMMUNICATIONS	The council moves on to the public comment portion of the meeting, where members of the public can comment on items not on the agenda. Speakers express concerns about the change in the public comment format, particularly its placement at the end of the meeting. Some speakers also address issues such as evictions in Sausalito and the need for community unity.	No Motion	7 Total: 3 In Favor 2 Against 2 Neutral
03:33:50 Gregory Taylor was Against: Gregory Taylor criticizes the change in the public comment format, questioning the rationale behind moving it from the beginning of the meeting. He also shares his views on immigration and criticizes former president Donald Trump. 03:36:00 Sunshine was In Favor: Sunshine agrees that public comment should be at the beginning of the meeting due to the lateness of the hour. She speaks about the evictions in Sausalito and the lack of protection for seniors facing housing issues. 03:38:04 Alice Merrill was In Favor: Alice Merrill reiterates that public comment should be moved to the beginning of the meeting, stating that people won't attend if they have to wait until late at night to speak. She also mentions a neighbor facing eviction and inquires about the status of the Portofino hotel. 03:39:29 Synthes Egink was In Favor: Synthes Egink expresses recognition of the improvements in the mindset of the community and the police and sheriff's departments, and expresses optimism for continued improvement. 03:40:03 Jeffrey Chase was Against: Jeffrey Chase criticizes the reduction of speaking time to two minutes and the placement of public comment at the end of the meeting, calling it unconstitutional and an infringement on religious freedom. He demands the city council return public comment to the beginning of meetings. 03:42:43 Eva was Neutral: Eva Crisanti thanks previous speakers and states that she contacted the city attorney with questions about the settlement between the city and Jeremy Portage, specifically regarding an educational program that was supposed to be implemented. She questions the effectiveness of the program and notes that the city attorney has not responded to her email. 03:45:02 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Babette McDougall discusses the need for community unity and reminds the council to engage the entire enfranchised voter community, moving away from division and to consider the importance of engaging the entire voter community.
03:47:08	7: COUNCILMEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS	Councilmember Committee Reports was opened, and Councilmember Cox reported attending the MCCMC legislative committee meeting where Senator McGuire discussed Sausalito's concerns about HCD's RENA allocation and the counting of a portion of the GGNRA as potential housing territory (03:47:19). His legislative aide is gathering more information from the community development department. Councilmember Kellen mentioned attending the League of California Cities Senior Leadership Screen Committee Strategy Session in Napa to represent North Bay (03:48:07). He also participated in Marin County's Sea Level Rise Governance Committee to explore multi-jurisdictional efforts and funding (03:48:19).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:48:39	8: CITY MANAGER REPORTS & OTHER COUNCIL BUSINESS	The City Manager reported on two items. First, the EPA has lifted the consent order regarding the sewer collection system that was in place since 2008, due to the city's commitment to reducing sewer spills and maintaining the collection system (03:48:41). The City Manager thanked Kevin and his team for their work (03:49:02). Second, the Bridgeway grant will be discussed at the Pedestrian Bicycle Advisory Committee on December 9th and will later come before the council (03:49:02).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:50:22	8B: Future Agenda Items	Councilmember Kellen proposed several future agenda items: (1) a resilience project examining Bridgeway, considering a raised multi-use bike path as a seawall; (2) following up on the machine shop that is supposed to go to auction in March, and that the Mayor and Kellen were supposed to meet with them, but the meeting was canceled; (3) investigating the kiosk by the ferry landing owned by the Chamber of Commerce, potentially turning it into a coffee shop; (4) revisiting the Hillside Ordinance; and (5) reconsidering the business license tax. (03:50:25.21) Councilmember Cox suggested putting a further discussion on a future agenda about revenue producing measures including a more robust conversation about where a hotel or hotels could be cited and what capacities they might have. (03:51:59.59)	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:52:18	8C: PUBLIC COMMENT on Items 8A-8B	This agenda item is a call for public comments on Items 8A and 8B.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:52:26	9: ADJOURNMENT	The meeting was adjourned. The council mentioned the tree lighting event on Thursday and the city employee holiday party next Thursday the 12th.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

City Council Meeting Transcript

Adrian Brinton

City Council Dec 17, 2024

Time	Speaker	Text
00:00:29.29	Mary Sobieski	We're asking council members this meeting of December 3 2024 is being held in council chambers located at 420 little street staff and members of the public are also participating through zoom. This meeting is being broadcast live on the city's website and on cable TV channel 27.
00:00:44.83	Unknown	No.
00:00:44.92	Unknown	you call the Royal City Clerk?
00:00:47.09	Mary Sobieski	Thank you.
00:00:48.17	Mary Sobieski	Councilmember Blaustein.
00:00:49.88	Unknown	here.
00:00:50.91	Mary Sobieski	Councilmember Hoffman. Councilmember Kelman. Here. Vice Mayor Cox. Here.
00:00:56.26	Samara Cox	I'm going to go.
00:00:56.63	Mary Sobieski	I'm Mary Sobieski.
00:00:57.39	Unknown	here.
00:00:58.67	Unknown	Uh,
00:00:59.67	Unknown	We're going to go over the items that are in closed session, public employee performance evaluation for the city manager, public employee.
00:01:05.98	Unknown	Performance evaluation for city attorney.
00:01:08.66	Unknown	Conference with legal counsel, existing litigation, Great Wall Investment America, LLC.
00:01:13.93	Unknown	and Ying Zhu versus the city of Sausalito.
00:01:17.20	Unknown	Is there any public comment on these items?
00:01:22.42	Mary Sobieski	Sorry, we have no members of the public in house, but we do have somebody online. If you wish to speak, use the raise hand function.
00:01:32.34	Mary Sobieski	See none.
00:01:34.01	Unknown	Okay, we'll close public comment and we will move to closed session and return at 7 p.m.
00:02:20.70	Unknown	Turning from closed session, there are no closed session announcements. We'll begin today's meeting with the recitation of the Prology of Allegiance.
00:02:29.73	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
00:02:29.83	Unknown	Thank you.
00:02:29.88	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
00:02:31.20	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
00:02:31.28	Unknown	I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God.
00:02:31.37	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
00:02:32.21	Babette McDougall	to the flag of the United States of America.
00:02:34.98	Samara Cox	Thank you.
00:02:35.03	Unknown	and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
00:02:42.81	Unknown	Thank you very much. There are no special presentations or mayor's announcements. We'll move on to adopting the action minutes from the November 19th meeting. Is there any public comment?
00:02:54.69	Unknown	on.
00:02:55.53	Unknown	you
00:02:55.92	Unknown	Thank you.
00:02:55.99	Mary Sobieski	Again, anybody that would like to make public comment, you can fill out one of the speaker request forms or you can use the raise hand function if you are on Zoom. Seeing none.
00:02:56.09	Unknown	who's been.
00:03:08.64	Unknown	All right, then we'll close public comment. Is there a motion to approve the minutes?
00:03:13.66	Council Member Blaustein	I move to approve the minutes. Second.
00:03:16.54	Unknown	All right. All in favor, say aye.
00:03:18.75	Council Member Blaustein	Bye.
00:03:19.31	Unknown	Opposed motion carries unanimously.
00:03:21.99	Unknown	We'll move on to the consent calendar.
00:03:23.95	Unknown	These are items that will be voted on together, but any council member can ask that one be removed.
00:03:29.40	Unknown	From the list, the consent column items are 3A, receive and file the annual listing
00:03:34.51	Unknown	of expiring terms of the various board and commissioners for the calendar year 2025
00:03:39.56	Unknown	approval of an updated salary range for the chief building official
00:03:43.29	Unknown	3C approval of the updated job classification code enforcement.
00:03:47.61	Unknown	official and allow future non-substantive corrections to be approved by the city manager. 3D, adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute a contract amendment with
00:03:57.99	Unknown	California consulting in amount not to exceed $68,430.
00:04:02.74	Unknown	With California consulting to assist the city with grant applications for various projects within Sausalito.
00:04:07.97	Unknown	Paid for from the general fund, 3E, receive and file the annual report.
00:04:12.48	Unknown	On the construction traffic road fee for fiscal year 2324 under the mitigation fee act and adopt a resolution making required findings pursuant to California GO
00:04:22.15	Unknown	Government code section 66001.
00:04:24.73	Unknown	3F authorized $120,000 increase in contingency funded
00:04:28.68	Unknown	by the Tidelands Fund for a total contingency of $378,511.
00:04:33.69	Unknown	the ferry landside improvement project and authorize the city manager to execute change orders and other contract documents necessary to move forward with
00:04:41.44	Unknown	additional improvements to the ferry landside improvement project to increase safety and environmental resiliency and reduce lifestyle costs and 3g receive and file report on upcoming changes to the lean act
00:04:55.56	Unknown	Any comments by Councilman Kellen?
00:04:59.06	Kellen	So that's a council member now, but I would like to remove item 3F, please, Mayor.
00:05:04.27	Unknown	3F.
00:05:06.11	Unknown	Come off. Anyone else?
00:05:08.57	Councilmember Hoffman	Mayor, I have a question about item 3B, and I don't think we need to remove it, but I would like to ask the city manager a quick question about it, if that's okay. Oh, sure. I think that would be sufficient. City manager, I note that we received a public comment, at least one public comment.
00:05:19.61	Unknown	or what?
00:05:27.74	Councilmember Hoffman	a comment, question via email.
00:05:30.41	Councilmember Hoffman	regarding a question about the chief building official
00:05:34.73	Councilmember Hoffman	Um,
00:05:36.20	Councilmember Hoffman	position and could you just briefly tell us about that and about that position and about the requirements for that position.
00:05:44.16	city manager	Thank you for the question, Councilmember Hoffman, and thank the resident for asking the question. This is part of the process that we started at, I think, a wise direction to have less consultants on staff. The chief building official is currently a consultant, so we've gone out not once, not twice, but three different times to try to hire an internal person that can be the chief building official for the city of Sausalito. And we haven't succeeded for a number of factors. So our HR manager, Catherine Nikitas, is here to talk about what the requirements are, what the offer was, and what the offer is recommended to be so that we can bring an in-house chief building official rather than a contract building official. So, Cathy, if you could...
00:06:24.80	city manager	Walk through some of that.
00:06:28.02	Kathy Nikitas	Sure. Hi, I'm Kathy Nikitas. And we also have the director who will probably be Zooming in shortly.
00:06:37.69	Kathy Nikitas	To say that we've had a hard time
00:06:40.09	Kathy Nikitas	recruiting for this position is putting it very gently because we have been looking for ever since this position was initially approved.
00:06:50.03	Kathy Nikitas	And we're currently paying, as the city manager noted, $175 an hour for a building official through Four Leaf at halftime. So it's been a difficult job to fill. We're just not finding the quality of candidates that we really need to bring somebody on board. So even if we were to go up to the new maximum, with the addition of benefits, we would be paying about $206,000, including benefits, not just salary, which would still be $150,000 less than we would be paying if we were going full-time with, getting a full-time person through 4Leaf. So the qualifications are, it's very, very difficult. It's been a difficult position to fill. I don't know if that...
00:07:39.94	Kathy Nikitas	Addresses.
00:07:41.66	Kathy Nikitas	Thank you.
00:07:41.78	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:07:44.21	Kathy Nikitas	Thank you.
00:07:45.49	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you. I think so. I mean, yeah.
00:07:48.26	Unknown	Thank you. All right.
00:07:49.31	Councilmember Hoffman	you
00:07:49.48	Unknown	Thank you.
00:07:49.49	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:07:49.53	Unknown	you
00:07:49.60	Unknown	Thank you.
00:07:49.61	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:07:49.70	Unknown	So is there a motion to public comment, please, on items 3A through...
00:07:55.20	Unknown	3G, except for 3F, which we will hear next.
00:07:58.96	Mary Sobieski	Okay, we have Sandra Bushmaker.
00:08:06.47	Sandra Bushmaker	Good evening, Council. Did you remove the ferry landing additional funds?
00:08:11.87	Sandra Bushmaker	from the consent calendar. I don't have the agenda in front of me.
00:08:15.82	Unknown	I'm sorry, that item has been removed from the consent calendar.
00:08:18.21	Sandra Bushmaker	Okay, then I'll hold my comment till that time. Thank you.
00:08:23.28	Mary Sobieski	Seeing no further comment.
00:08:26.70	Unknown	Okay.
00:08:27.26	Unknown	No public comment on the consent calendar. Is there any discussion or a motion to approve of the consent calendar?
00:08:32.39	Samara Cox	I'll move approval.
00:08:35.63	Samara Cox	Second.
00:08:35.90	Samara Cox	Thank you.
00:08:35.92	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
00:08:36.58	Unknown	Okay, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, that carries unanimously. Let's go ahead and hear the ferry item then. 3F, authorize 120K increase, City Manager, Director McGowan, would you like this?
00:08:52.96	Unknown	Well, sure, but just have Dr. McGowan come up. You wanna kick us off?
00:08:57.08	Kellen	Thank you, Mayor and Vice Mayor. So sort of three things I wanted to discuss with Council. One has to do with use of the Thailand's fund monies and appropriate uses and maybe just have a little more thoughtful conversation about utilizing that. Second is I wanted to react in public to sort of the environmental resiliency efforts and the opportunities there. And then the third is to have some conversation with staff and city manager around process for budgeting because we did hear this item many times and so I'm just trying to figure out how
00:09:33.56	Kellen	we can better project or what came up or just lessons learned. So I thought it was worth a conversation.
00:09:40.45	Unknown	Do you have any? Thank you very much, council member. I guess, are there any questions or should we take public comment and then have that discussion or what's the pleasure? Are there any questions for staff?
00:09:48.34	Samara Cox	any questions?
00:09:50.71	Samara Cox	I would say let Kevin respond and then see if we have questions.
00:09:53.86	Unknown	Do you have some questions you wanted to ask Director McGillan to respond to in the vein?
00:09:58.60	Kellen	Yeah, so thank you, Director McGowan, and thank you, as always, for wanting to make things better, and better includes resilience. So as you know, as we all know, we had a presentation from Climate Resolve and then Bill Hines regarding different opportunities for pavement, some pavements that have a higher albedo, which would reflect surface heat, others that would absorb microplastics, all sorts of other materials. And I very much appreciated that you alluded to that with a sort of switch to concrete, but if we're going to move in that direction, it feels like we should have maybe a little more thorough examination of possible materials. And so I'm just wondering if you could take us through your thought process.
00:10:45.23	Kellen	I'm sorry, what was that last part?
00:10:46.60	Kellen	If take us through your thought process around the material selection and maybe what changed from the last, we heard this matter six or seven times, what changed from the last time we heard it to today?
00:10:57.77	Director McGowan	OK, so there's a lot going on there. Let's just kind of go over what the design group and what the
00:11:05.33	Director McGowan	the construction group took a look at. They looked at eight different alternative types of material to be placed. Some of those included things like something called Litho Creek, which is more of a design approach to a plaza where you've got a lot of different colors and different things going on. That was very expensive. We took a look at some other alternatives as well, such as porous concrete.
00:11:30.18	Director McGowan	forest asphalt, otherwise known as open graded asphalt, regular asphalt.
00:11:34.93	Director McGowan	as well as some of the other materials that were originally specified, such as gravel pave was originally specified because it was a cheaper solution.
00:11:45.78	Director McGowan	And the group that took a look at this, and keep in mind that wasn't me specifically, that was our project manager, Sarah Korshutafard.
00:11:54.00	Director McGowan	who helped us with that, as well as Bill Hines and others and the whole team.
00:11:58.43	Director McGowan	In taking a look at the original material that was specified,
00:12:02.42	Director McGowan	It was a gravel paved material, which is
00:12:05.28	Director McGowan	put down into a polymer.
00:12:07.45	Director McGowan	I know it fills the gap of all the polymers.
00:12:10.62	Director McGowan	I am.
00:12:11.21	Director McGowan	And what happens over time is that gravel gets kicked out.
00:12:14.75	Director McGowan	And you could have a trip hazard there.
00:12:17.00	Director McGowan	In addition, if you have too much gravel, it can represent a
00:12:20.78	Director McGowan	I think it's a great thing.
00:12:21.42	Director McGowan	a barrier to those with disabilities. And so we kind of wanted to avoid that specific material. Our team took a look at other aspects as well. Keep in mind that the former Tracy Way, which I'm now calling the Promenade, is a little bit narrower and it has a
00:12:38.02	Director McGowan	planting area between the promenade and lot one. So there's a little more green space in there as well.
00:12:44.57	Director McGowan	and in looking at some of the more newer solutions that were brought forward by
00:12:50.68	Director McGowan	I think it's climate resolve.
00:12:53.23	Director McGowan	Those are basically taking a look at
00:12:55.71	Director McGowan	the fact that some of these materials
00:12:58.69	Director McGowan	heat up a lot and they call heat sinks. Now, again, I'm not the expert on this,
00:13:03.76	Director McGowan	Only heard what...
00:13:05.51	Director McGowan	The consultant said,
00:13:07.16	Director McGowan	And if you take a look at some of their slides that they presented, I believe it was in October, it shows that concrete is not as much as a heat sink as, let's say, asphalt, which is black and it collects all the energy from the sun. In fact, it even notes that it's a 40% reduction. Now, keep in mind that we're taking a regular asphalt road and we're covering it up with concrete. So we are reducing the amount of heat sink that we have in this particular area our team also took a look at other things such as there's one other piece of material that they took a look at that had grass that could grow through again this was another issue that could be a problem for disability access so they took a look at all of these
00:13:52.88	Director McGowan	Kevin Mohrmanovic, In addition, they took a look at what are we putting down there right now we're putting concrete and we want something to at least flow well aesthetically from one to the other, so I think that's one of the reasons. Kevin Mohrmanovic, Why the team is suggesting we move forward with concrete at this point in time, plus we have a contractor that's ready to do this.
00:14:11.75	Kellen	Okay, so...
00:14:13.32	Kellen	I guess I'm trying to understand how the environmental impact was weighed, right? Because gravel pave is better for reducing runoff and increasing groundwater recharge. Concrete is better for reducing heat absorption and glare if we use a lighter color concrete.
00:14:26.44	Kellen	This is an area that is subject to inundation and also potentially another part of the staff report talks about berms and runoff. I don't mean to get into too much of a detail, but the reason that I'm asking is because the last time I heard this matter,
00:14:39.74	Kellen	the council was assured
00:14:41.36	Kellen	In fact, it was presented as
00:14:43.50	Kellen	look we came under budget, we can do this for 1.8, we should totally do this, aren't we in such a great space? And I think everybody in the room thought, wow, that was some really great project management by you and your team, fantastic, this is a little unexpected
00:14:59.75	Kellen	to receive this back and I'm not quite understanding
00:15:03.99	Kellen	how we might have done a better job back, and I won't say better, I don't mean to insult you, but how we might have accounted for this back then.
00:15:11.20	Director McGowan	So I think our emphasis originally was trying to meet the budget.
00:15:14.83	Director McGowan	And so we picked a material that we thought would work.
00:15:17.95	Director McGowan	And after close examination and taking a look at other areas where gravel pave has been placed, I'm not sure that this is the best area to place this type of material. That's why we're suggesting something a little more permanent.
00:15:29.40	Kellen	Okay, and then in the staff report it says that, I'm sorry, please.
00:15:32.48	Unknown	Can I just ask a question because I had one fact that I didn't read in this.
00:15:38.42	Unknown	in the
00:15:40.49	Unknown	The question is, my understanding is that the gravel page would have had runoff go into the storm drain system. It would go through the material to the gutters to the storm drain system. And this new...
00:15:54.82	Unknown	the concrete will allow it to flow into the landscaping area and then on to the bioswale and that that's one eventually to the bioswale that's one big distinction which i don't i just want to make sure that what i said is true and if it is that's i think a difference in
00:16:08.83	Unknown	The design is the stormwater.
00:16:10.80	Unknown	It's going to the bar so.
00:16:11.63	Kellen	I appreciate that. I mean, I think there's probably risk involved with taking all runoff from an impermeable surface, but not for us to go to that level. I'm just trying to understand the change in scope. I'm also curious in the staff report that it says that you identified an area adjacent to lot one that can be used for planting and landscaping and will add stormwater treatment there. This was a curious portion of the staff report for me because I had asked at length about trees and where they would be planted and then there was extensive conversation about berms and runoff
00:16:43.76	Kellen	Is this something new that wasn't anticipated? And if it's new, what changed?
00:16:48.68	Director McGowan	This is a wider area that wasn't originally anticipated for a landscape buried between the promenade Tracy way and lot one.
00:16:59.10	Kellen	Okay, and so based on what you've just shared with me, the 120K is to change the surface of Tracy Way and to change and add this additional wider runoff area and drainage. Okay, so then my question would be for the city attorney about use of the Thai lands funds. I won't subject you to that, but I think it'd be helpful if you can walk us through that
00:17:24.58	Kellen	Yeah, I was handed over to you, city attorney.
00:17:26.53	city attorney	Yeah, so it is discussed in some detail in the staff report, which I'm pulling up right now. Basically, the Tidelands Fund is restricted by provisions of the Public Resources Code.
00:17:41.13	city attorney	And basically, Public Resources Code 6306C states that
00:17:47.24	city attorney	You can only use Tidelens funds
00:17:51.15	city attorney	for
00:17:52.37	city attorney	very limited purposes, which is,
00:17:56.40	city attorney	Going up the statute. They have to be used only for the purposes consistent with the public trust for commerce, navigation, and fisheries, and the applicable statutory grant.
00:18:08.11	city attorney	Fortunately for the city, the statutory grant is pretty broad.
00:18:12.13	city attorney	Um,
00:18:13.43	city attorney	One of the things that the statutory grant of tidelands to the city states is that the city is supposed to use the tidelands for construction, maintenance,
00:18:20.47	city attorney	of wharves, piers, docks, slips, quays, and for other utility structures and facilities necessary or convenient for the promotion and accommodation of commerce and navigation by water. Also allows it for Thailand to be used for public buildings, parks and playgrounds, and for public recreational purposes. So given the location of this, and that would be in support of
00:18:41.21	city attorney	parking to be used primarily for the ferry terminal.
00:18:47.03	city attorney	You know, that would be
00:18:49.22	city attorney	you know, in furtherance of
00:18:51.79	city attorney	Um,
00:18:54.12	city attorney	commerce and navigation by water. Additionally, it
00:18:59.03	city attorney	complies with the statutory grant in terms of things that the city can do.
00:19:03.82	city attorney	Um,
00:19:05.17	city attorney	And additionally, it is adjacent directly to a public park, so it would further the use of the space for public recreational purposes since it's now close to traffic.
00:19:14.21	city attorney	So.
00:19:15.51	Kellen	What are the limits of the use of the Thailand's funds in that area? How far out in that particular vicinity could we use the Thailand's funds and claim it for this purpose?
00:19:25.82	city attorney	Um...
00:19:26.89	city attorney	In general, I would say that the city is likely on relatively safe grounds,
00:19:31.53	city attorney	using the tidal funds anywhere in the granted tidal area. And then you also have to make a tie to one of the specified purposes in the public resources code.
00:19:41.45	city attorney	So
00:19:42.87	city attorney	You know, you probably can't use it for say constructing housing.
00:19:47.42	city attorney	You probably can't use it for
00:19:49.99	city attorney	you know, things that are entirely unrelated to, you know, commerce, navigation, fisheries,
00:19:57.85	city attorney	and the use of the Tide Lens as a
00:20:01.21	city attorney	you know,
00:20:01.75	city attorney	for public recreation or, you know, as a protection of the
00:20:05.75	city attorney	you know, public trust resources.
00:20:08.26	Kellen	Okay. And then maybe for the, thank you city attorney, city manager, how much money do we have in that fund?
00:20:14.59	Director Hess	that's a good thing.
00:20:15.08	city manager	Last time I checked, council member, it was a little over a million dollars, and I wanted to say that that replenishes at about $300,000 a year from the leases we have that are related to the grant that we got of land.
00:20:29.04	Kellen	Okay, and then last question maybe it's for you city manager. The end of the staff report says based on previous construction experience, it's possible additional unforeseen conditions may be discovered. How do we mitigate the risk on that and how do we guard against
00:20:45.37	Kellen	having this conversation again.
00:20:46.96	Kellen	Thank you.
00:20:47.48	Unknown	Thank you.
00:20:47.70	Kellen	No.
00:20:47.75	city manager	So that's a great question. And that's a question I asked Kevin. So he has a good answer for it. Sure.
00:20:48.02	Director McGowan	So,
00:20:48.14	Kellen	about,
00:20:54.10	Director McGowan	I don't know if it's a good answer, but I will give it a shot. In this particular project, as you folks all know, this area was used as the end of the Northwest Pacific Railroad.
00:21:06.25	Director McGowan	And so there's a lot of stuff underneath the ground here. And our contractor has found a lot of this so far.
00:21:12.41	Director McGowan	Instead of bringing that up on a PowerPoint presentation and kind of boring folks with that, we've found old light posts, we've found rails, we've found conduits with
00:21:22.82	Director McGowan	telephone lines from over 100 years ago, all sorts of other crazy things. Now, the funding that we are recommending, it's not exact. In other words, we don't need that much just to take care of the
00:21:41.31	Director McGowan	putting in concrete for Tracy way. However, the third phase of the project, which is grinding down the existing asphalt,
00:21:48.79	Director McGowan	on the promenade or formerly Tracy way is yet to occur. So we're anticipating that we might find some more
00:21:55.45	Director McGowan	unknowns in that area.
00:21:57.48	Director McGowan	Could we have anticipated this? I kind of doubt it.
00:22:00.60	Director McGowan	The reason is because it's such an old area here in town.
00:22:04.31	Director McGowan	and in Marin.
00:22:05.60	Director McGowan	that we don't know what they buried back when, when they abandoned the rail lines and then moved away from the ferry itself or the double ferries that they used to have in the 50s. So I think the way we've handled this is to have a rather large contingency, and that helps with trying to address this type of thing. We would, you know, there are more things in the ground. My hope is that we don't have to dig too far.
00:22:31.26	Kellen	So remind us, what was a contingency the last time I heard this? Sorry? How much did we approve as a contingency the last time I heard this? $250.
00:22:37.83	Director McGowan	258, 511, I think it was. I think it said...
00:22:40.61	Kellen	So the work has every, we know it will blow through that.
00:22:44.42	Director McGowan	Yes, the concrete for the promenade is about 216,000 just for that section. So when you add that into it, yes, we've exceeded the contingency.
00:22:57.77	Kellen	And
00:22:58.16	Director McGowan	and then we still have a little bit more to go to finish the project.
00:23:01.20	Kellen	Got it. And sorry, last question.
00:23:03.06	Kellen	again, on the material selection of concrete, if we are gonna make a change and we are going to look at a different material and we are going to do it with a resilience lens,
00:23:12.13	Kellen	did we look at some of the other materials that Jonathan Parfrey and Climate Resolve presented to us? Because there are others that also absorb microplastics that sequester carbon that do a better job of reflecting sunlight.
00:23:26.92	Kellen	make the shift, have we looked at, because last time I asked for this with Maroon Ship Park, the city manager told me that that ship had sailed, but this hasn't sailed yet, so.
00:23:35.64	Director McGowan	Thank you.
00:23:36.35	Director McGowan	I think some of this material is fairly new. I think in the future we need to take a look at our roadway surfaces and take a look at using a different type of chip seal on top, one that is not black, that is more reflective of some of the sunlight. Let's take a look at moving our emphasis to something else instead of this particular space. In this particular space, I think we need to have some
00:24:01.39	Director McGowan	connectivity.
00:24:02.67	Director McGowan	and aesthetically between the plaza itself, how it connects into our downtown, and adding this as concrete gives a nice
00:24:11.21	Director McGowan	flow to the entire area.
00:24:13.71	Director McGowan	Thank you so much.
00:24:16.26	Director McGowan	Okay.
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00:24:21.27	Councilmember Hoffman	So thank you, Kevin, for that. So in the staff report, and I thank you for the follow-up email that you sent me, too, because I'd asked you to go through.
00:24:31.68	Councilmember Hoffman	from February 6th forward, which was the original...
00:24:35.41	Councilmember Hoffman	we talked about Tracy Way and what the cost would be. And at that time, the council approved a phasing approach and that Tracy Way at that time was
00:24:47.95	Councilmember Hoffman	decided it was going to be too expensive and it was going to be phased in when we could figure out how we were going to pay for it. And so we worked our way through the spring, and that's what I think Councilmember Cummins was talking about when it was brought forward to us, well, we can find a cheaper way to do it, and therefore let's approve it.
00:25:02.87	Councilmember Hoffman	And so I think I share her
00:25:06.11	Councilmember Hoffman	you know,
00:25:07.44	Councilmember Hoffman	surprise, I guess you could say, today that
00:25:10.48	Councilmember Hoffman	now we're back to the more expensive version or maybe more expensive than what we had started out with maybe even back in February. And so I'm not sure.
00:25:24.76	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, the evolution of this when the council direction back in February was, we can't afford it, let's do a phased approach. You came back to us with a cheaper version, but now tonight we're being asked to approve a more expensive, we're back to a more expensive approach. And that's one of my concerns. And then my second concern is,
00:25:46.51	Councilmember Hoffman	Um,
00:25:47.76	Councilmember Hoffman	You mentioned a new...
00:25:50.52	Councilmember Hoffman	a new
00:25:53.04	Councilmember Hoffman	planting area.
00:25:54.49	Councilmember Hoffman	And have we seen that in a diagram somewhere where this new planting area is going to be?
00:25:59.89	Director McGowan	I don't think so. The description is just between
00:26:03.20	Director McGowan	the Tracy Way and Lot 1. It's just a wider section through there.
00:26:07.09	Councilmember Hoffman	And there's right now, I would just, you know, from my memory, there's a, there's a row of trees there now. Are those, those trees going to be removed?
00:26:15.06	Director McGowan	No, not as far as I know.
00:26:16.76	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, so there's going to be another, an additional row of planting in addition to the trees?
00:26:21.49	Director McGowan	Yeah, I think it's just hedges and it's just, you know, ground vegetation.
00:26:26.10	Councilmember Hoffman	And is that also the bioswell that you're talking about or is there a new bioswell too?
00:26:30.67	Director McGowan	No, the existing bioswales on the other side of lot one.
00:26:33.88	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, and so when you're talking about runoff from the new concrete area going into the bioswale, you're talking about that water going under the new parking lot over to the bioswale that's on the other side of the parking lot?
00:26:45.91	Director McGowan	It would probably have to go across the parking lot itself.
00:26:51.00	Councilmember Hoffman	How is that gonna work?
00:26:55.64	Director McGowan	That side of the parking lot is higher than the bioretention side, so water will need to flow in that direction. That's how it works today.
00:27:07.76	Councilmember Hoffman	And so the total cost, so the total cost, the project cost has gone up from, it was 2.5 million. And then as set forth on page five of the staff report, it's now at 2.62 million.
00:27:23.20	Councilmember Hoffman	$2,620,000.
00:27:26.17	Director McGowan	Yes.
00:27:27.07	Councilmember Hoffman	And that's with a new contingency from the Thailand funds.
00:27:31.94	Director McGowan	Yes, that is what we're requesting you to authorize. It doesn't mean the total cost will be that amount. It just means that's how much we're authorizing for the project.
00:27:41.29	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
00:27:43.25	Councilmember Hoffman	And.
00:27:45.24	Councilmember Hoffman	Did I understand you that it may even be more money when we start digging and we find some additional surprises?
00:27:53.24	Director McGowan	There is sufficient additional funding in this contingency authorization that we feel we can address all the changes that will occur in the third phase, which is
00:28:04.33	Director McGowan	the Tracy way and the promenade.
00:28:06.76	Councilmember Hoffman	And how will this, if at all, impact Vineyard Del Mar Park?
00:28:10.55	Director McGowan	It won't.
00:28:12.27	Councilmember Hoffman	Are there any plans at all to impact Vineyard El Mar Park?
00:28:15.14	Director McGowan	No, I think the only part that we're very close to is I think we have about a half an inch that goes right against the little stone wall on the outside edge, but that's about it.
00:28:25.84	Councilmember Hoffman	But the stone wall will not be impacted? No.
00:28:27.53	Director McGowan	No.
00:28:28.15	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
00:28:29.45	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:28:30.63	Unknown	Thank you, Council Member. Council Member Blasdy.
00:28:32.93	Council Member Blaustein	Hi, Director McGowan. Nice to see you again on a project that we get to hear from you all the time about.
00:28:38.51	Council Member Blaustein	I had a couple of questions I noticed and I and I've heard about this actually and have seen it in walking by the site, but I wanted to dig in a little bit more into some of the unforeseen underground conditions just just to kind of get a sense, because I hear a lot of questions about how we ended up in the situation where we're.
00:28:57.26	Council Member Blaustein	over budget and could we have planned for it?
00:28:59.56	Council Member Blaustein	So maybe you can go a little more into detail about what sort of unexpected bumps in the road did come up and what those costs are. Just because I want to acknowledge that there was significant effort by your department and by the local professional group.
00:29:13.34	Council Member Blaustein	to plan for and stay within the budget. And so maybe you can just outline a little bit of some of what was found. I know there was a lot of railroad debris from over 100 years ago and phone lines, maybe. And then also in the staff report, it's noted that we actually did some additional work to the Yacht Club driveway as part of this as well per request that we received from them. So maybe you could also speak to that.
00:29:37.14	Director McGowan	Yes, the field team and our staff have been working closely with the Yacht Club and their representatives.
00:29:42.71	Director McGowan	They've been great, by the way.
00:29:44.34	Director McGowan	They've been very receptive and helping us with the project all the way along.
00:29:48.88	Director McGowan	They had requested a little bit wider driveway. They have, um,
00:29:52.93	Director McGowan	two ballers on either side. They wanted
00:29:54.79	Director McGowan	a driveway as wide as that.
00:29:57.03	Director McGowan	In doing so, there is an electrical box that's off to one side.
00:30:01.17	Director McGowan	We had to pull in PG&E to alter that, to make it work. That's still being worked on a little bit.
00:30:06.67	Director McGowan	And as you move closer and closer towards the actual ferry dock, when we open up that area to put in either drainage systems or for us, we are putting in some electrical systems that go across that area. We found the old bollards for the old electrical lights that were in this area way back when. We found conduit that was probably six to eight inches below the surface, which is today not a good thing, because usually the electrical conduits need to be 30 inches below the surface. So our contractor ended up hitting some of these. They weren't marked on the plans. We didn't know they were there.
00:30:43.84	Director McGowan	In addition, like I mentioned before, we found a lot of
00:30:48.08	Director McGowan	phone line conduits. Why? I'm not sure. One or two of these were actually active. So we pull in AT&T and say, you got to move this out of the way. This takes a lot of coordination between our field staff, our office staff, as well as utilities and the contractor.
00:30:49.24	Katie Thao Garcia	Conditions.
00:31:05.33	Director McGowan	The contractor piece is a little difficult. If they're working on something right in front of them and we have to tell them to pick up and move because there's an obstruction, they have the ability to say, hey, Citi, you're...
00:31:17.95	Director McGowan	changing our progress. In this case, the contractor has been great in that they've opened up some different areas so they can continue to work
00:31:26.22	Director McGowan	Well, we take a look at these obstructions.
00:31:28.51	Director McGowan	So in a way,
00:31:30.12	Director McGowan	We've got a pretty good contractor to help us. They're not coming back after us for every single little item. That's wonderful.
00:31:37.44	Director McGowan	In addition, they've been working with us on all this flat concrete stuff so that we can make all the grades work, which is always a problem as well for accessibility.
00:31:46.72	Director McGowan	So in a way, I feel
00:31:48.58	Director McGowan	a little bit blessed that we have a good contractor on board. I don't want to say that too much because you never know what you're going to find.
00:31:54.10	Director McGowan	But
00:31:55.55	Director McGowan	At the same time, the project is moving forward. It's doing just fine right now, even with all these different things.
00:32:03.33	Director McGowan	I was even expecting originally that we might find some hazardous materials down there or an old boat or something. At this case, we simply found railroad ties and phone lines and other things. So we're counting our blessings at this point.
00:32:20.96	Council Member Blaustein	And, and what was the total cost of, for example, the, the request from the yacht club to increase the size of the driveway? And did that impact the overall budget that we had planned to spend?
00:32:32.21	Director McGowan	I think it's not significant. I mean, I think I have a little bit about $10,000 in there compared to the total project. And again, I don't know the exact details on what that covers, but there is just a little bit of change.
00:32:45.71	Council Member Blaustein	And when we...
00:32:47.13	Council Member Blaustein	For example, just some prior projects where we've contracted a large scale renovation. For instance, with Dunphy Park, there was also significant issues with regards to potentially there being a burial ground with there being a lot of
00:33:01.78	Council Member Blaustein	railroad debris,
00:33:03.45	Council Member Blaustein	And I think on that project, we also had to circle back for additional contingency, correct? Yes. Okay. And that was, again, an issue of an unforeseen event that we discovered in the process of initiating construction.
00:33:18.20	Director McGowan	Yeah, absolutely. That was lead-contaminated soil.
00:33:22.60	Council Member Blaustein	And in your, I don't know, 20 plus years in DPW, I would imagine that there's a lot of
00:33:27.90	Council Member Blaustein	Although you've done every measure from A to Z in planning for what might come up, there are always unforeseen contingencies, right?
00:33:35.14	Director McGowan	Always. And that's 37 years in public works. Pardon me.
00:33:37.22	Council Member Blaustein	Pardon me, 37. So three plus decades in public service. And so I bring that up because I imagine you wouldn't come back to us requesting additional funds outside the realm of the budget unless this was truly an unforeseen event that led to the need to increase the budget.
00:33:53.89	Director McGowan	Yes, yes, that's true.
00:33:55.56	Council Member Blaustein	Okay. Well, thank you so much for your efforts on that. I appreciate it.
00:33:58.04	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
00:33:58.18	Director McGowan	Thank you.
00:33:58.28	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
00:33:58.31	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:33:59.38	Unknown	Any other questions?
00:34:01.82	Council Member Blaustein	What a good one.
00:34:01.97	Councilmember Hoffman	follow up.
00:34:02.35	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
00:34:02.38	Unknown	I have a follow-up question. Customer Hoffman.
00:34:04.74	Councilmember Hoffman	How much of the increased contingency is related to the change in materials for Tracy Way?
00:34:13.87	Director McGowan	I think that change order is 216,000. It's probably a little bit more than that because that includes the reduction for the gravel pave.
00:34:21.43	Director McGowan	Thank you.
00:34:21.51	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:34:21.55	Director McGowan	Thank you.
00:34:21.58	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
00:34:21.63	Director McGowan	Thank you.
00:34:22.14	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:34:22.16	Director McGowan	Thank you.
00:34:24.06	Unknown	Okay, let's have public comment, Mr. City Clerk. Okay.
00:34:29.02	Mary Sobieski	Do you have anybody in-house?
00:34:30.46	Unknown	Ms. Merrill has raised her hand.
00:34:36.26	Unknown	Anyone else who wishes to make public comment here in the audience, please turn in a slip to the city clerk.
00:34:42.61	Alice Merrill	Hello, everybody.
00:34:43.97	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
00:34:44.40	Alice Merrill	My name is Alice Merrill. I live on Caledonia Street.
00:34:48.77	Alice Merrill	I have the same problems of overrunning when this is, as you know, something that I thought was more than it was needed. The Tracy Way...
00:35:04.48	Alice Merrill	hasn't been started yet.
00:35:06.74	Alice Merrill	It could be called off until
00:35:11.09	Alice Merrill	funds are found until it's
00:35:14.62	Alice Merrill	more
00:35:15.63	Alice Merrill	I don't know.
00:35:16.90	Alice Merrill	till the time
00:35:18.23	Alice Merrill	when it seems like a better time than pushing it right now. I was down there today.
00:35:25.35	Alice Merrill	It's huge. It's huge. It's what's...
00:35:29.84	Alice Merrill	We don't need even more.
00:35:32.00	Alice Merrill	If we do take away Tracy Way, which I
00:35:36.30	Alice Merrill	really disagree with.
00:35:37.94	Alice Merrill	I wouldn't call it the promenade. I would call it Tracy promenade. Don't just throw his name away because the street is gone. That doesn't, that just isn't right. So I certainly hope that that doesn't happen. So that's all. I just...
00:36:00.27	Alice Merrill	wish that we had learned
00:36:05.36	Alice Merrill	from the Dunphy Park issue.
00:36:08.15	Alice Merrill	all of the things that happened and why it was so much more expensive and why it took so much longer and had thought about the possibility of some other extra oddball things because this is Sausalito and that's part of its, it's part of its, you know, skills around the world is being oddball. So thank you very much.
00:36:32.03	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
00:36:32.04	Unknown	Thank you.
00:36:32.08	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
00:36:32.16	Unknown	you.
00:36:33.98	Mary Sobieski	Okay, we'll go online and we'll go to Sandra Bushmaker.
00:36:40.94	Sandra Bushmaker	Good evening, everybody. Yeah, I've got several things. One, I hope it's not called the promenade. Jack Tracy was an important citizen here in Sausalito and done a lot for Sausalito. So I hope, and I've raised this before, that his name has some recognition in this project.
00:36:57.25	Sandra Bushmaker	I too would like to see Tracy Way stay open.
00:37:00.29	Sandra Bushmaker	With regard to the asking for additional contingency fees, you know, I don't see this as unforeseeable. If you do a little historic research, you will know that that is a railroad area, and it's also where a
00:37:16.19	Sandra Bushmaker	according to
00:37:18.30	Sandra Bushmaker	moments in time, a fetid pond existed.
00:37:21.82	Sandra Bushmaker	with all kinds of debris in that particular pond. So what I worry about is that,
00:37:28.34	Sandra Bushmaker	Having been reassured by the professional
00:37:31.63	Sandra Bushmaker	group that we were well under budget and we can just go have at it and not worry about it. Here we are without the job being completed and we're asking for additional funds. So I am very concerned that this will set a pattern and I but more more importantly at this point is are we doing sufficient historical research? The Dumpy Park matter you know we knew that that was a public dump for many, many years. It didn't take much historic research.
00:38:03.30	Sandra Bushmaker	research to prove that out. And we know what's underneath that parking lot. We may not know with specificity, but we know what was there before. And you can bet that not all of that debris was hauled away as we are finding out. So I'm concerned that we're not doing sufficient historic work
00:38:20.14	Sandra Bushmaker	research in order to foresee these problems, which I do not see as unforeseeable at this point. So let's...
00:38:28.41	Sandra Bushmaker	Let's stay within budget to the best of our ability. Thank you.
00:38:32.50	Unknown	Thank you.
00:38:35.53	Unknown	I should see a clerk.
00:38:36.97	Unknown	Anyone else?
00:38:38.10	Mary Sobieski	Yeah, Kieran Culligan.
00:38:43.72	Kieran Culligan	Hi there, my name's Kieran Culligan, I'm a Saucido resident
00:38:47.24	Kieran Culligan	I don't like project budget overruns. It would be nice for everything to stay on budget or be under budget.
00:38:52.91	Kieran Culligan	Unfortunately, that's not always the case. I think the one, there's a couple of silver linings here.
00:38:57.88	Kieran Culligan	One is that if,
00:38:59.95	Kieran Culligan	The trend is that we've gone from dumpy park size
00:39:02.87	Kieran Culligan	overruns to
00:39:04.54	Kieran Culligan	These size overruns of less than 5%
00:39:07.21	Kieran Culligan	of the budget, that's a pretty good sign.
00:39:09.03	Kieran Culligan	So hopefully that's great progress compared to where we were. It's pretty modest.
00:39:12.00	Katie Thao Garcia	Uh,
00:39:14.51	Kieran Culligan	in the grand scheme of things,
00:39:16.22	Kieran Culligan	Um,
00:39:16.95	Kieran Culligan	You know, permeable materials, I'm not sure how beneficial they are, like when you're
00:39:20.95	Kieran Culligan	water side and there's not like an aquifer to
00:39:24.42	Kieran Culligan	filter into. It sounds like there were some good ideas.
00:39:27.46	Kieran Culligan	proposed by Councilmember Kalman as well as city staff in terms of
00:39:31.54	Kieran Culligan	ways to direct water in productive and resilient ways.
00:39:34.97	Kieran Culligan	There's also other silver linings. So with a concrete surface instead of a gravel pave,
00:39:41.28	Kieran Culligan	We might be able to do more artistic things that take advantage of the Jack Tracy
00:39:46.54	Kieran Culligan	heritage of the railway heritage, you know, just bringing things to life in a way that we couldn't do.
00:39:52.48	Kieran Culligan	if it was a different surface material,
00:39:54.74	Kieran Culligan	future connectivity into Vineyard Del Mar Park. I think there's super exciting things that can be done here, and I look forward to seeing this project come to fruition. Thank you.
00:40:07.27	Mary Sobieski	Okay, next speaker is Babel.
00:40:07.91	Unknown	No.
00:40:12.11	Mary Sobieski	Okay, Jeffrey Chase wants to go up.
00:40:13.32	Unknown	Mr. Chase, would you like to speak on this matter?
00:40:26.91	Unknown	Can you please approach the podium?
00:40:41.17	Jeffrey Chase	Mr. Mayor city council citizens of Sausalito and workers.
00:40:47.75	Jeffrey Chase	Again,
00:40:49.84	Jeffrey Chase	in contravention of the Levine Act...
00:40:54.01	Jeffrey Chase	And if you look at your holy Torah, the Levites and the Kohens, which is where the name Levine comes from, are people that have no inheritance and no possessions, and they are not doing what they do for money.
00:41:06.87	Jeffrey Chase	You, City Council?
00:41:09.53	Jeffrey Chase	Seems you've cut off public comment at the beginning of meetings, unlike every other jurisdiction in Marin County. Point of order, Mayor, this is not... Yes, this is the consent calendar. Point of order is you've cut...
00:41:17.48	Samara Cox	This is not...
00:41:22.76	Jeffrey Chase	the three minutes to two minutes, and you are the only jurisdiction. So I'm... The topic is the ferry landing. So this, yeah, well, we are doing the agenda. Again, you have hired consultants, okay? And I was wrong about the temperature being raised by one or two degrees. It's actually one to seven degrees when black asphalt is poured. And again, on this agenda is more money not for the paving of the roads but for the studying of the roads I have no doubt
00:41:24.03	Samara Cox	Thank you.
00:41:24.07	Hank Baker	to two minutes.
00:41:54.46	Jeffrey Chase	that you are either connected directly or indirectly with the contractors and with the consultants that are being paid hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars.
00:42:08.56	Jeffrey Chase	Further on the agenda, you have a million dollars for climate change. Okay.
00:42:13.95	Samara Cox	Mr. Mayor, point of order. The point of order is. The public comment here is regarding the ferry landing only. Oh, this is the consent calendar. This is only the ferry, yes. This is, okay, there are many things. We pulled something off the consent calendar. You arrived late, Mr.
00:42:15.60	Jeffrey Chase	The point of order is...
00:42:20.60	Jeffrey Chase	It's a consecutive year.
00:42:23.21	Jeffrey Chase	He thinks...
00:42:27.35	Samara Cox	Yes.
00:42:27.65	Jeffrey Chase	Yes, I am right on time, as I often am, Ms. Joan Cox. Thank you. Okay, I will be speaking further on you have cutting off the public comment before the meeting. Okay, that is, that's the Brown Act. Okay, so yeah, I have a lawsuit. It is still active with the city.
00:42:32.09	Samara Cox	Thank you.
00:42:46.47	Unknown	Don't.
00:42:47.49	Unknown	Thank you.
00:42:50.31	Mary Sobieski	Thank you.
00:42:51.93	Unknown	Any other public comment, Mr. State Clerk?
00:42:53.52	Mary Sobieski	Yeah, we do. We have Babette McDougall.
00:43:01.75	Babette McDougall	Good evening.
00:43:03.68	Babette McDougall	Can you hear me all right?
00:43:05.35	Unknown	Yes, we can. Go right ahead.
00:43:06.87	Babette McDougall	Thank you so much. Well, all right. So first of all, I just want to say thank you for allowing me to weigh in.
00:43:12.59	Babette McDougall	Happy holidays to everyone.
00:43:15.09	Babette McDougall	I am not surprised by these cost overrun situations at all.
00:43:20.54	Babette McDougall	I'm calling upon what Alice Merrill said, what Senator Bushmaker said.
00:43:25.43	Babette McDougall	again, prevailing upon the institutional memory, not trying to gaslight
00:43:29.61	Babette McDougall	People who have lived here longer than you, for example, Mr. Merritt and others,
00:43:33.97	Babette McDougall	by not by
00:43:35.89	Babette McDougall	engaging people that actually have lived here long enough to be able to
00:43:39.74	Babette McDougall	tell you what's been going on in this town.
00:43:42.27	Babette McDougall	the layers of history under the asphalt that we
00:43:45.17	Babette McDougall	play on today.
00:43:46.51	Babette McDougall	is legend.
00:43:47.47	Babette McDougall	So I'm not surprised.
00:43:49.88	Babette McDougall	I was always surprised, frankly, how you were so all were so willing to skirt the idea of the Tracy way.
00:43:57.05	Babette McDougall	when most citizens actually thought it was going to be called for a public referendum.
00:44:01.51	Babette McDougall	So I kind of agree with Alex here.
00:44:03.97	Babette McDougall	Since we haven't totally gone haywire yet, maybe we can stop and rethink the wisdom of how we're going to remember this name. It really is an important name to Sausalito, and I urge each of you to read the book rather than stepping up as an apologist, as some of you just have, to try to bush this thing through.
00:44:21.25	Babette McDougall	Everyone wants to see this come to fruition.
00:44:23.78	Babette McDougall	But we have to be more realistic about the challenges that we face in this town.
00:44:28.91	Babette McDougall	Thank you so much.
00:44:30.97	Unknown	Thank you.
00:44:38.75	Unknown	Go ahead, sir.
00:44:41.00	Unknown	You'll have to unmute yourself though.
00:44:47.05	Director Hess	Good evening.
00:44:47.32	Unknown	Good evening.
00:44:48.02	Unknown	Good evening.
00:44:48.42	Director Hess	Thank you.
00:44:48.91	Director Hess	I appreciate the due diligence that all the city council members are making, as well as the city staff, to ensure the budget is as close as possible as originally approved. But after 40 years of working in construction, overruns in budgets are very typical. My house budget's overrun. Every construction project I've been involved with has been overrun to some degree. but I appreciate your due diligence to continue to monitor the situation and ensure that overruns are necessary and required, and they're kept as this small overrun is as minimal as possible. And I appreciate the change in the Tracy way. I think obviously that has a lot of benefits rather than the gravel before, I am encouraged that that is part of the consideration tonight and I hope you take the staff recommendation and approve the item and then again as it goes on a few more weeks or months till finish the project I am confident that all of you will do your very best to continue to make sure we're as close to budget as possible once the project is opened. And I'm taking my grandson down Tracy Way to look at the ferry coming in from the city. I appreciate you all very much and thank you.
00:46:03.13	Unknown	Thank you, sir.
00:46:05.47	Director Hess	Thank you.
00:46:05.49	Unknown	Anyone else, Mr. Sinclair?
00:46:12.44	Mary Sobieski	Adrian Brinton.
00:46:16.58	Adrian Brinton	Yeah, hi. Can you guys hear me okay?
00:46:19.06	Adrian Brinton	Yes, we can. Go ahead.
00:46:20.95	Adrian Brinton	Thanks, yeah. Yeah, it was unfortunate to hear that we are looking at an overrun.
00:46:26.78	Adrian Brinton	And as others have said, there are a number of choices that we have now. Do we stop and do we pull Tracy away?
00:46:33.60	Adrian Brinton	Do we continue down the same road and do the same plan that we had that was within budget, or do we make a change and we actually...
00:46:40.98	Adrian Brinton	put the money in to make it the way it should be.
00:46:44.03	Adrian Brinton	And, you know, our infrastructure is super important. We've got a huge focus on it this year. Fixing this area is so important for the town. You go downtown now, you see the work that they're doing on the Fairylanding Plaza. It looks amazing already, even in the state that it's in. And when you turn on Tracy Way and you see the state that Tracy Way is, it looks like the old downtown. And we don't want it to look that way. It will look so much nicer. It will be so much better for our town to have this included as part of the project. And if we can't do it in the gravel cave,
00:47:13.04	Adrian Brinton	putting the extra money in now while the construction crews are mobilized. Now's the time to do it. Let's do it right. Let's do it so it'll last. Let's do it so it'll support our businesses downtown and make a really beautiful place, which is where we want it.
00:47:27.40	Adrian Brinton	I think another caller mentioned the fetid pond that was downtown. I think actually I remember reading about that. It was actually in Wiener Del Mar Park, I think.
00:47:35.92	Adrian Brinton	next to the train station.
00:47:39.72	Adrian Brinton	not actually on Tracy Way.
00:47:42.30	Adrian Brinton	I know there was a lot of discussion about the naming and how important the name
00:47:46.76	Adrian Brinton	Tracy is to that area and hopefully Mr. McGowan can
00:47:52.56	Adrian Brinton	approach to the historical society that I think we talked about before and making sure that it has an adequate name.
00:47:57.83	Adrian Brinton	that honors Mr. Tracy.
00:48:01.00	Adrian Brinton	Thanks for everyone's hard work on the project. And yeah, hopefully we can improve this and keep it moving forward. Thank you.
00:48:07.07	Mary Sobieski	Thank you.
00:48:08.30	Mary Sobieski	Okay, next speaker is going to be Mary Griffin.
00:48:18.85	Mary Griffin	I,
00:48:19.68	Mary Griffin	Um,
00:48:20.45	Mary Griffin	I just, can you hear me?
00:48:22.03	Mary Griffin	Yes, we can. Okay, thank you. I just wanted to support this change to the project, which I think is actually an upgrade to the project, that there's value added. It's not that just it came in costing more money, the material that we were originally proposing. Okay.
00:48:40.03	Mary Griffin	And every time I walk down there, I realize how important
00:48:44.30	Mary Griffin	trust Tracy Way is going to
00:48:46.27	Mary Griffin	be to this project in terms of really making the link that completes
00:48:51.98	Mary Griffin	the whole ferry improvements.
00:48:54.34	Mary Griffin	So I think there is value added. And of course, there's some cost overruns in almost every construction project.
00:49:00.77	Mary Griffin	But
00:49:01.43	Mary Griffin	This is relatively minor and it will make it a better project.
00:49:06.39	Mary Griffin	ask you to support it. Thank you.
00:49:09.46	Mary Sobieski	Thank you.
00:49:11.99	Mary Sobieski	Anyone else? Yes, we have Charles Melton.
00:49:20.72	Charles Melton	Charles Melton, Hi good evening city council, my name is Charles mountain i'm a state of residence, thank you for the opportunity to speak on three of today regarding Tracy way. Charles Melton, Like previous speakers, I do support Tracy way remaining remaining and jack Tracy's legacy I do think you know that having it as a promenade is a really great way to honor that legacy and continue the future movement of sauce lito I was just down there on.
00:49:43.65	Charles Melton	yesterday, actually helping decorate the Christmas tree there in Vindelmo Park.
00:49:48.47	Charles Melton	and walk there by the existing state of Tracy Way. And again, the black asphalt there, the current conditions of that area is not ideal for our downtown. And I do believe that this investment that our city will be making to improve the infrastructure there is very much worthwhile. I'm especially appreciative of the environmental benefits that this new design with the inclusion of bioswales will actually provide to the area, than the current conditions or even with the gravel pave. I think it's really exciting to see that our professional designers and our city staff are putting things in motion with really an eye to the environment, especially with this area that's so close to our water and our bay and the issues of the environment there along the bay.
00:50:34.26	Charles Melton	I think the challenge of this is the cost overrun. It's not ideal, but we as a city, we don't throw up our hands when there's big problems and big issues. We find solutions, and that's exactly what the local professionals and our city staff have come here to do. They provide our city council with what I think is a reasonable and justifiable solution to improve the area, put environmental protection there at the forefront of it, and really complete the project been approved unanimously by our city council i support this proposal going forward and look forward to walking down uh tracy uh the tracy way promenade as i make my way to the ferry to travel to the city for work thank you so much for the opportunity and really appreciate the work our city council is doing to improve our downtown thanks
00:51:17.84	Charles Melton	Thank you.
00:51:19.67	Mary Sobieski	No further public... Oh, we have Sharna. Sorry.
00:51:28.16	Sharna	Hi there.
00:51:30.87	Sharna	So yeah, I don't want to make a long comment, but I just want to say that I'm super excited about it. I've been walking down there. I was down there helping to...
00:51:38.77	Sharna	decorate the Christmas tree today and it's really looking fabulous. So kudos to the city staff and everyone who's managing it. It just really looks great.
00:51:46.99	Sharna	And I just want to say that, yeah, it's not ideal to have budget overruns, but
00:51:51.83	Sharna	If we're going to do it, now's the time to do it. There's an economies of scale discussion. They're out there pouring concrete. And so this is the time to do it. Let's do this project right. Let's get the savings we get from them already being down there with concrete trucks and get this done properly. Thank you so much.
00:52:09.94	Unknown	All right, further public. We'll close public comment. Is there any discussion from the dais?
00:52:14.71	Kellen	Sure, I'd like to leave.
00:52:15.41	Unknown	Councilmember Kellman.
00:52:16.39	Kellen	Thank you, Mayor. Okay, so thank you for letting me pull this and for the conversation and all the public comment. I am making very clear I'm not here to relitigate Tracy Way. What I would like to do, however, is just daylight some opportunities to improve our process. So I didn't just come up with my questions. I did some research. We have a wonderful historical society which has a bunch of material that talks about underground ties and conduits and things left over. In fact, the historical society has a whole presentation on the changing nature of the downtown area. And so my first request is that we try to map out maybe in coordination with HPC some type of improved due diligence around areas known to have historical remnants. So I think we can make some process improvements there. The second is I want to really urge us, and I guess I'll just be a broken record for only two more meetings, that when we have the opportunity to do something different with new materials, let's really do it. So here's my specific request. Concrete is is not good enough if we are going to do this and we are going to justify spending money from the Thailand's fund here are three options guard top produces cool seal that mainly reflects in the visible light spectrum it's very effective in sunny areas may not be perfect for us but we should look at it a company A company called GAF, GAF, produces Street Bond, which mainly reflects in the near-infrared band of the electromagnetic spectrum. I'll send these to you, Kevin. This may also be more suitable for pedestrian walkways. And then finally, Pavement Technology Inc., PTI, produces a product that reflects solar radiation in fewer ways than the other two products, but the coatings photovoltaically remove CO2, NOx, SOx, VOCs, and microplastics from the air. So if we're going to do it, let's really do it, particularly in a project that I'm hearing all the public commenters say is a gem of the town. I'm never going to argue against expanded vegetation and better stormwater treatment, so thank you for including that. And then I think any time we pull money from the Thailand's fund, we have to have a higher level of discretionary review because we're going to need that money. We're going to need that money for coastal resilience, and so I'm disappointed that
00:54:40.99	Kellen	Even though it fits within the Thailand's fund, and I think legally we're on fine ground, I'm disappointed that this project never really included better resilience opportunities. We didn't have anything around sea level rise, we didn't have anything around turning this into retention for flooding. It just never covered that. And so I think that was a missed opportunity from a narrative perspective, but hopefully these improvements, and I appreciate the hard work, Kevin, hopefully these improvements will help us get there. So thank you, everybody.
00:55:09.56	Unknown	Thank you, Councilmember Coleman. Anyone else?
00:55:14.62	Unknown	on the price of bear or customer or something.
00:55:19.16	Councilmember Hoffman	So I was...
00:55:22.63	Councilmember Hoffman	I was surprised and a little bit disappointed to see this come back because we had already discussed this at length over many city council meetings and had given direction as a council to prioritize and to prioritize and phase. And we decided specifically to green light Tracy Way and to make sure that we were going
00:55:46.63	Councilmember Hoffman	move it up in the phasing when the costs came down and when the staff
00:55:51.89	Councilmember Hoffman	cost engineered it to come down and that's why it moved up in the phasing and became part of the overall project and now it feels a little bit like it was a bait and switch that now a different plan has come back that is more expensive that we had rejected earlier so i'm not
00:56:10.29	Councilmember Hoffman	uh i'm a little bit surprised a little bit disappointed that this has come back to us i completely agree with the comments of councilmember kelman and i would like for this council to give direction to consider those three approaches is if we are serious about um the comments in the staff report about approaching this from a climate resilience uh approach uh and i certainly am and And especially since we're losing, using, not losing, but we are, if we're losing, we are losing tidal lands funds if we're using them for this project.
00:56:43.04	Councilmember Hoffman	Um,
00:56:43.80	Councilmember Hoffman	That is, I would say, a Thailand's actual project. That we seriously look at those alternatives, especially if they're more cost effective. When you look at, you know, this really, the $216,000 that Tracy Way is going to cost is not because of overruns, it's because we're changing the nature of the project to a more expensive project.
00:57:07.76	Councilmember Hoffman	So I would say definitely take a look at those and move forward. I also completely agree that we need to come up with some metrics about how we use Thailand's funds. And we have many, many.
00:57:25.30	Councilmember Hoffman	higher priority climate resilient projects around town with regard to subsidence, with regard to inundation, and at risk businesses, at risk roads, at risk hillsides that, well, perhaps not hillsides, because they are tight lines, but projects throughout our coastline that are higher priorities than Tracy Way Promenade, and I understand that
00:57:52.50	Councilmember Hoffman	we want to get this project done, and I want to get this project done. I do not want to see this back at the city council. We've had 10 meetings on this.
00:57:59.47	Councilmember Hoffman	sometimes plowing the same ground over and over and over again. And so hopefully this will be the last time we see this at the city council level, and I hope we'll get it done. So thank you.
00:58:14.29	Unknown	Thank you. Any other comments? Council Member Boste?
00:58:18.18	Council Member Blaustein	I just really appreciate all of the effort of staff put into this project and I also appreciate the comments of Councilman McKellman and I'm wondering if there is a path forward where we approve the contingency and find a budget or an approach where we use a climate friendly material just like could you answer that director McGowan.
00:58:37.15	Council Member Blaustein	just to get a sense.
00:58:41.84	Director McGowan	Thank you, Councilmember. I think the issue is timing at this point. We have a contractor ready to go. If we take more time to investigate Cool Seal or Gaff Street Bond or the other one was PTI, I think it was.
00:58:56.96	Director McGowan	Yeah, if we take some time to investigate that, we may be facing a delay claim for the project as well because we're not finishing it. So we want to keep that in mind.
00:59:04.14	Unknown	So we want to keep
00:59:05.97	Unknown	Just, well, I thought you did finish. I was just asking my colleague if I could ask a question, associate.
00:59:12.88	Unknown	I'm only familiar with one of those three, but if all three are in the same category, are those coatings that can go on top of the concrete?
00:59:19.39	Unknown	Thank you.
00:59:19.66	Unknown	Do you happen to know Councilmember Cumberland?
00:59:19.80	Director McGowan	I am not experienced with this.
00:59:22.07	Kellen	I believe at least one of them is, but I am going to defer to that.
00:59:26.41	Unknown	Yeah. So the direction could be at least to look at whether within the contingency.
00:59:31.07	Unknown	any of those coatings could be used.
00:59:33.53	Unknown	for instance.
00:59:33.72	Kellen	Yes, and there are other products that are, in fact, coatings. That's an excellent point, Mayor.
00:59:34.59	Unknown	other products
00:59:37.31	Unknown	Leaving it to you, but just the direction to follow up on Councilmember Blastien's idea would be...
00:59:41.28	Kellen	would be.
00:59:41.95	Unknown	just if we approve the congenancy to go ahead and look at those coatings as possible add-ons within the budget
00:59:49.07	Director McGowan	We can look at those. If it takes too much time, we could be facing a delayed claim.
00:59:53.70	Director McGowan	From our contractor.
00:59:54.81	Council Member Blaustein	but.
00:59:55.59	Council Member Blaustein	Okay, but if we're gonna pour the concrete and then during that time we can look into whether or not we can put a coating on top of them while they're pouring,
01:00:02.49	Council Member Blaustein	I know it's all hard and it's all a process, but I think what we're asking is,
01:00:05.83	Council Member Blaustein	what we're saying is we all really
01:00:07.72	Council Member Blaustein	care about approaching the project with the climate lens and where there's an opportunity to do that
01:00:12.66	Council Member Blaustein	shouldn't we move forward to try and do so? Understanding that we are risking potentially delay.
01:00:19.63	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
01:00:20.80	Director McGowan	Yes, Council Member. I'm just not as familiar with this to know if there are coatings. It seems like Cool Seal is a coating, but the rest of them I'm not sure yet.
01:00:28.73	Council Member Blaustein	Okay. Well, I bet council member Kelman and I could
01:00:31.75	Council Member Blaustein	Look into that and circle back.
01:00:36.02	Council Member Blaustein	Me too.
01:00:38.01	Unknown	Anything else?
01:00:40.31	Unknown	Thanks, Mayor.
01:00:41.13	Unknown	I was just thinking of shooting.
01:00:42.26	Alice Merrill	Oh.
01:00:42.40	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
01:00:42.57	Alice Merrill	Great job.
01:00:43.88	Council Member Blaustein	Yeah, just I appreciate that there's always contingencies that come up, having seen construction projects throughout my life that always have unforeseen costs. And I'm just hopeful that maybe we can see this rather than a roadblock, but an opportunity to pursue a bigger climate lens when we think about the next steps in the project.
01:01:06.99	Samara Cox	Thank you. I would like to endorse that request of my fellow council members with the awareness that we don't want to unnecessarily delay the project. I also know, however, that the conditions under which you can pour concrete are limited when you have cold weather and wet weather. And so there may be an opportunity to do some further analysis.
01:01:28.62	Samara Cox	investigation I would recommend
01:01:31.01	Samara Cox	that the Public Works Director reach back out to the design team, who I'm sure are probably more familiar with some of these coatings to explore whether indeed we could consider a coating and at what cost or whether any of these materials would be suitable to replace the concrete. At the same time, I do want to give the direction to go ahead and proceed as outlined in the staff report.
01:01:58.13	Samara Cox	and to not unnecessarily delay the project but i would like to hear back either by an email to all council members or by a consent item that this investigation has been done and what the outcome was just so that we can close the loop on this
01:02:13.62	Samara Cox	Thank you.
01:02:13.64	Kellen	May I add that, Vice Mayor? Thank you for that. Yes, and I'm also looking for a commitment from staff and city manager that this will be our process moving forward because we did have this conversation twice before. I will offer myself as an intern to do the research, should you want me. I'll have time on my hands soon. But I just want to see that commitment that when we bring a project that has paving, this is part of it. And I don't want to hold any projects up, but that means we have to do the work ahead of time. So happy to collaborate to facilitate that.
01:02:13.86	Samara Cox	May I add to that by speaking?
01:02:46.03	Samara Cox	And I do endorse that. I will say I appreciated the email from you earlier today.
01:02:51.83	Samara Cox	uh,
01:02:52.96	Samara Cox	Director McGowan listing the at least eight materials that the design team already considered as options for this site. And so I do appreciate first the value engineering that occurred during the approval process. Second, you know, as we got closer, the due diligence to ensure we're using the right material for the purpose of the project. So I definitely appreciate all of that.
01:03:18.93	Samara Cox	But I do, without knowing more about these materials listed by Councilmember Kelman, I would like at least to do some preliminary
01:03:28.41	Samara Cox	investigation.
01:03:29.31	Director McGowan	Thank you.
01:03:29.85	Director McGowan	If I won't follow up, Sarah of our staff will follow up with you. Perfect.
01:03:34.41	city manager	Mayor if I can I can reaffirm that Katie and I will work on this climate lens and that'll be on full display on item 4A.
01:03:45.12	city manager	Okay.
01:03:45.59	Samara Cox	And I just had a couple other comments. So I also endorse the process improvements proposed for the future. That includes considering increasing construction project contingency for older historical areas. That's something, you know, we know they may have buried railroad remnants, utilities, perhaps the site of a burial ground. and so i think it's prudent to consider increasing the normal 10 project contingency for sites such as those um
01:04:21.49	Samara Cox	I endorse being careful about how we use the Tidelands Fund. I'm aware that we...
01:04:27.75	Samara Cox	Reap about $300,000 a year for that and so i'm okay with allocating $120,000 of that this year, with the city attorneys explanation, but I do think we need to carefully strategize how we use the tidelands fund.
01:04:43.71	Samara Cox	Moving forward.
01:04:44.66	Samara Cox	And I definitely endorse
01:04:46.46	Samara Cox	retaining
01:04:47.61	Samara Cox	Jack Tracy's name in association with this site. I think we as a council have to be
01:04:55.91	Samara Cox	careful to respect
01:04:58.75	Samara Cox	actions by former council members to name
01:05:02.86	Samara Cox	various
01:05:04.25	Samara Cox	facilities in honor of those who have served the city. And so thank you for the opportunity to comment.
01:05:12.92	Unknown	Yeah, thank you. Also, just I'll reiterate the recommended motion from the city staff with that direction that was summarized so well. The motion in addition to that, then the motion is to authorize one hundred twenty thousand dollar increase in contingency.
01:05:28.77	Unknown	funded by the Tidelands Fund for a total contingency of $378,511 for the Ferry Landside Improvement Project
01:05:35.06	Unknown	and authorize the city manager to execute change orders and other contract documents necessary to move forward with additional improvements to the very land side improvement project to increase safety and environmental resilience resiliency and reduce life cycle costs.
01:05:48.66	Unknown	Is there a second to that motion?
01:05:54.70	Council Member Blaustein	back in.
01:05:55.63	Council Member Blaustein	Okay.
01:05:55.92	Unknown	The motion is made and seconded. All in favor say aye.
01:05:59.29	Council Member Blaustein	Aye.
01:06:00.02	Unknown	The post.
01:06:01.35	Unknown	OK, motion carries unanimously.
01:06:03.41	Unknown	We'll now move on to our public next item, which is
01:06:07.01	Unknown	adopt the resolution to authorize the city manager to amend the
01:06:10.79	Unknown	Installation agreement with climate tech LLC to implement certain energy conservation measures under California code 4217.10. And adopt findings in accordance with California code 4217.12 to achieve a life cycle savings between
01:06:27.59	Unknown	$6,933,298 and finding the project exempt from CEQA.
01:06:36.64	Unknown	CEQA guidelines 15301, 15302, and 15303, and allocate an investment of $1,951,245 in city funds.
01:06:49.30	Unknown	Katie, welcome. Garcia, welcome. Floor is yours.
01:06:54.14	Katie Thao Garcia	Thank you. Fantastic title. I know.
01:06:57.87	Unknown	Yes.
01:06:58.39	Katie Thao Garcia	Good evening Mayor Sobieski, Vice Mayor Cox, members, council members and members of the public. My name is Katie Thao Garcia. I'm the city's resiliency and sustainability manager.
01:06:58.42	Unknown	Good evening.
01:06:58.86	Unknown	in the future.
01:07:09.53	Katie Thao Garcia	Since arriving at the city of Sausalito in early 2023, the city's infrastructure needs were made very clear to me from the inception.
01:07:18.84	Katie Thao Garcia	With the greenhouse gas reduction mindset, I worked with then-Mayor Blaustein on defining and shaping a program that could not only help meet our city's climate action goals, but also address much-needed facility upgrades.
01:07:33.05	Katie Thao Garcia	Soon after the sustainability commission assisted to draft and submit a request for proposals to Council, which was approved in October 2023.
01:07:42.99	Katie Thao Garcia	thus formally creating the Infrastructure Modernization Utility Savings and Sustainability Program.
01:07:49.99	Katie Thao Garcia	Through shaping the program, we sought to ask the following questions. How can we economically modernize our infrastructure?
01:07:59.19	Katie Thao Garcia	Can we do this while decreasing our greenhouse gas emissions?
01:08:03.26	Katie Thao Garcia	How do we protect the city's budget from energy cost escalations? And can we take advantage of historic funding through the Inflation Reduction Act?
01:08:14.23	Katie Thao Garcia	Climatech LLC was chosen from a comprehensive RFP process and began working with the city in December 2023.
01:08:22.51	Katie Thao Garcia	For the past year, we have worked with the Department of Public Works, the Finance and Administration departments, and the Sustainability
01:08:30.04	Katie Thao Garcia	commission to shape a program that will help reduce greenhouse gas emissions while modernizing buildings and protecting the city's budget from rising energy and construction costs
01:08:41.68	Katie Thao Garcia	Through this collaboration, we've aligned the program with the general plan, the strategic plan, the climate action plan, the low emissions plan, and many other studies that the city has ongoing.
01:08:53.56	Katie Thao Garcia	We've presented twice, tonight being the third time, to City Council. And in addition to this, we've contributed to the ongoing city projects, such as the 2024 Buildings Facility Assessment, in order to prevent knowledge silos.
01:09:07.08	Katie Thao Garcia	The program, which we will hear about in just a few minutes, is the answer to the question that I previously stated.
01:09:14.17	Katie Thao Garcia	Today, the Council has the opportunity to take advantage of $770,000 in savings in the first five years while modernizing our buildings and decreasing greenhouse gas emissions.
01:09:25.27	Katie Thao Garcia	by utilizing government code 4217 to have a design build firm
01:09:30.60	Katie Thao Garcia	We protect the city's budget against cost escalation.
01:09:33.94	Katie Thao Garcia	Create economies of scale.
01:09:36.10	Katie Thao Garcia	and save staff time when compared to the traditional design build
01:09:40.88	Katie Thao Garcia	design, bid, build approach.
01:09:43.80	Katie Thao Garcia	The program transcends departments, projects, and goals, but importantly, should be in viewed as one whole comprehensive look at the city of Sausalito's energy infrastructure. This means it cannot be separated out further from the project that you will see tonight.
01:09:59.83	Katie Thao Garcia	We are asking you tonight to consider the project as a whole with complimentary shared cost savings and benefits throughout the program.
01:10:07.68	Katie Thao Garcia	If approved tonight, future phases could be added through a contract amendment to continue to leverage the economies of scale.
01:10:16.81	Katie Thao Garcia	I will now turn it over to Tyler Gertman and his team from Climatec to give a brief presentation. Thank you.
01:10:23.29	Unknown	So thank you, Mr. Garcia. That was great setup. Welcome, sir.
01:10:28.35	Tyler Gertman	Yeah, welcome. Good evening, Mayor Sobieski, Vice Mayor Cox, Council, staff, City Manager and community. Thank you very much for the opportunity to present once again to you tonight and to review various different documents and information that we've shared in the past. Katie gave a great intro in terms of the goals and the objectives here, but we're going to go through some of the similar slides that you've seen in the past, hit some key points and then open it up for questions and go from there.
01:10:58.98	Tyler Gertman	So the program objectives, as Katie put well, is going back to the basics for infrastructure improvements and buildings, hedging against utility costs and market volatility, especially in the construction market, expedite greenhouse gas reductions and climate action plan goals, as well as enhanced smart city initiatives. So all of these objectives in one comprehensive program.
01:11:25.66	Tyler Gertman	Next slide.
01:11:29.62	Tyler Gertman	As Katie mentioned, the program alignment piece of this was substantial. We spent multiple meetings, hours upon hours of our team, city staff's time, really going through the plans, going through the projects, understanding how this project works within the overall plans of city council and goals of city council. And obviously this chart here shows all the different alignments with phase one, which highlighted in green which is basically the base phase as well as even potential phases in the future if the council so chooses to in the years to come for this type of project
01:12:04.25	Tyler Gertman	Next slide.
01:12:06.48	Tyler Gertman	I'm not going to go through each point here. We've seen this. A lot of steps, you know, starting a year ago to get to the point where we are at today. But just a few key items, the council info items, detailed engineering site assessments, the collaboration with the various different committees, infrastructure, sustainability, as well as the two-on-one discussions with yourselves and answering some specific details regarding the project and multiple documents memos, etc. associated with that all leading to tonight to obtain your input and consideration. Next slide.
01:12:40.41	Tyler Gertman	Where does it start with the annual utility savings of or the annual utility budget of the city? $442,000 is spent by the city right now with PG&E and various various different other utility providers. It's broken down here as you can see. The top two users are the MLK building and the police station as part of this $442,000.
01:13:04.06	Tyler Gertman	Next slide.
01:13:06.67	Tyler Gertman	This is a representation of the utility cost as taking the number as of today and escalating it over the next 30 years, looking at historical figures of utility increases that we've seen from various different utilities and using information from the California Energy Commission. When you look at it, even in the past 10 years, various different rates are averaging about 10.2% increases over that 10-year period. And that's represented here by the blue line, and then the gray line is 5%. So it really shows what will Sausalito spend in 10 years and even out in 30 years if it continues status quo.
01:13:47.03	Tyler Gertman	Next slide.
01:13:50.29	Tyler Gertman	These are the infrastructure needs assessed. So we obviously, our engineering team in association with Ali and Kevin and the various different team members have assessed various different systems and infrastructure. And this has been parlayed down to really a base phase, which is similar to what you saw in previous slides in terms of the green and the blue. But various different heating, cooling, adding heating and cooling here, city hall windows and other various measures. We looked at battery storage microgrid. And then as you see here in a couple of slides, the... heating, cooling, adding heating and cooling here, city hall windows and other various measures. We looked at battery storage micro grid. And then as you see here in a couple of slides, the base program was really selected by staff as well as feedback from council. Next slide.
01:14:30.42	Tyler Gertman	These are pictures of the infrastructure. Failed HVAC, that's inoperable. Building automation systems or thermostats, as you see in the top middle picture,
01:14:40.18	Tyler Gertman	the windows and then just old non-LED lighting.
01:14:44.06	Tyler Gertman	out there.
01:14:46.89	Tyler Gertman	So for the base phase, really what it boiled down to is looking at the fundamental elements of energy efficiency type projects. So you have lighting and street lighting. Any light that is not LED will be upgraded to an LED fixture. Very few remaining street lights, but mainly in the parks, facilities, exterior and interior in terms of that energy savings, but also a safer environment. the Smart City Mesh Network system and Wi-Fi in parking lots one and two to enhance the communication with future of that energy savings but also safer environment the smart city mesh network system and wi-fi and parking lots one and two to enhance the communication with future parking technologies heating cooling at the old city hall which has failed building automation systems and then renewable energy and ev structure the renewable energy of what was selected by staff and council was really at police and MLK only in this base phase. The city can add additional... of what was selected by staff and council was really at police and MLK only in this base phase. The city can add additional buildings and other places as you so choose moving forward with this project or this type of program. And the EV infrastructure is selected to be at the police station.
01:15:49.56	Tyler Gertman	Next slide.
01:15:51.89	Tyler Gertman	So as part of a design build program, what are we talking about in terms of price and what is the savings of this type of project? So $1.95 million for this program of everything that was mentioned and outlined in the memos and in the contract. This includes permitting, project management,
01:16:09.85	Tyler Gertman	you know, yeah, various different labor, equipment, etc. It really streamlines, you know, to Katie's point, the economies of scale. We have project managers over a bundle of projects versus single projects that the city has typically done. So it's really bundling it together, freeing up staff bandwidth.
01:16:26.62	Tyler Gertman	as well.
01:16:27.70	Tyler Gertman	The life cycle savings, so this is a range of either 15 years for the energy efficiency projects or 30 years for the renewable energy, which is that's the life of these types of systems, is between 3.1 million and 6.9 million, given a range using similar escalations from the chart before, and really this is the savings that is calculated at this point in time.
01:16:51.48	Tyler Gertman	Our projects with cities like city of San Leandro city of Clayton city of Ontario. All these other cities that we've worked with averaging about 122% of our conservative estimations so you can see this. The savings will most likely be in the middle and obviously higher than the minimum of 3.1 million here.
01:17:10.55	Tyler Gertman	In terms of the funding, on the Inflation Reduction Act, so this is a reimbursement grant from the federal government that you would qualify for, $265,000 for the IRA. The EV grants, which is from the MCE, was $39,000. The city has an opportunity to select whether private sector funding or capital, but the recommendation is capital for the remaining portion. And then PG and on-bill financing of about $150,000. This is money from PG&E for upgrades such as LED lighting. So in the end, this project's going to take 12 to 18 months for implementation. So this is going to be spread out over two fiscal periods for the city. And that's keen to remember. So the net capital will roughly be around $1.5 million from the city. And that, again, spread out over two fiscal periods when you consider these other funding opportunities in here.
01:18:09.07	Tyler Gertman	Next slide, please.
01:18:12.19	Tyler Gertman	And, you know, we talk about savings. We talk about, you know, the costs of the project and how it's, you know, a design, build, turnkey. We're taking the risk on the labor and the equipment for these types of projects on a price style. But it's also the sustainability improvements just for the overall community, what this type of project does. So not only the financial savings and hedging against the utility escalations and really cost containment, but also the sustainability enhancements of this overall project here which is represented by these figures which are calculated through calculators of the epa
01:18:44.31	Tyler Gertman	Next slide.
01:18:47.29	Tyler Gertman	In addition, as we're going through this project, ribbon cuttings, you know, various different cities do this in different ways, putting information on the website, sharing with sharing with the community what you're doing, because a lot of the a lot of the focal points of this would be renewable energy, the EV, the lighting, but but also the HVAC, the building automation and making that a piece to be able to communicate with obviously the community members and others that are not here tonight in terms of the valuable and you know important improvements that you're making within Sausalito.
01:19:20.22	Tyler Gertman	Next slide.
01:19:22.63	Tyler Gertman	So tonight we're here really at the end of the, at the end of this process for the base phase, uh, council consideration for the amendment to the already approved contract for the work to be implemented, the overall funding plan, and then the work will begin in January of 2025.
01:19:41.06	Unknown	Thank you very much, sir. Thank you very much. Did your colleague want to say anything or?
01:19:45.06	Unknown	No.
01:19:45.56	Unknown	Thank you.
01:19:46.32	Unknown	That was pointing at you.
01:19:46.98	Unknown	I'm here for questions.
01:19:48.23	Unknown	Okay, fair enough.
01:19:49.49	Unknown	.
01:19:50.52	Unknown	Are there questions from the diaspora?
01:19:52.94	Unknown	Uh,
01:19:53.85	Unknown	by Samara Cox.
01:19:55.99	Samara Cox	Thank you, and thank you for this presentation.
01:19:59.50	Samara Cox	um,
01:20:01.74	Samara Cox	There was a question posed by the city attorney that I'm not sure was answered, which is,
01:20:06.96	Samara Cox	Is the analysis able to justify installing new Wi-Fi as an energy saving measure as integrated into the street lighting retrofit work as part of the improvement?
01:20:19.11	Tyler Gertman	So yes, because the overall project we've done, you know, parking pavement, we've done windows, we've done a lot of various things that don't have savings associated with it. But as the combination of the different bundles of projects, the overall savings exceeds the cost, which complies with 4217.
01:20:40.22	Samara Cox	Okay, and then we received public comment today, and I forwarded it to you, and I wondered if you could address some of the issues raised. The first had to do with...
01:20:54.51	Samara Cox	uh,
01:20:55.76	Samara Cox	That with renewable energy sources, solar, wind becoming more prevalent, that 10 to 20 year projected costs may level or actually decline with, you know, already evolving energy.
01:21:12.15	Samara Cox	um decreased reliability reliance on electricity so can you comment whether your
01:21:22.34	Samara Cox	assumed savings factored that trend into account.
01:21:28.15	Tyler Gertman	So from from historical knowledge,
01:21:31.35	Tyler Gertman	We can't tell what's going to happen in the future, but from historical knowledge and even speaking with the California Energy Commission,
01:21:37.44	Tyler Gertman	even in the last 10 years, the rates have gone up. I mean, even for our homes, even for commercial accounts, cities, school districts that we work with, we haven't seen a decline. If anything, we'll see a year where it'll be flat just for perception and optic purposes. And then the next year after that, it's 10, 15, 20%, even like we've seen in the last couple of years. So the trend is not to go down. We also have noticed in the last, and you probably have too, in the last three to five years, the utilities going after renewable energy in terms of their reduction of the revenue that they would claim if there wasn't any renewable energy. And California is probably number one in the United States for renewable energy. And prices aren't going down. So let's, you know, let's put it there in terms of that. So we don't see it going down. We're using very conservative estimations for increase. And we feel like it's even going to be higher, which means that you will actually save more money because you don't have to pay the utility. Yeah, I saw.
01:22:34.72	Samara Cox	Yeah, I saw your escalation. Exactly. Yeah.
01:22:36.62	Tyler Gertman	It's not your...
01:22:37.13	Unknown	Thank you.
01:22:38.46	Samara Cox	Um,
01:22:41.35	Samara Cox	Then the commenter said the analysis should use a discounted present value of the suggested utility cost savings for a valid justification of the capital cost proposal.
01:22:53.84	Tyler Gertman	So we use industry calculations from energy tool base, from Helioscope, types of technologies that a lot of our companies use to calculate this type of savings. They take into account degradation of equipment, other elements like that, but not a net present value type calculation. So we're using industry standard energy tool base, which is from the United States government, and other types of calculators to be able to calculate these savings.
01:23:26.08	Samara Cox	Um,
01:23:37.95	Samara Cox	What is the cost to extend a mesh internet system along Bridgeway to accommodate new parking equipment? So I think we talked earlier about whether your work is scalable and whether as we further explore our infrastructure needs, we can actually add to your scope and accomplish some economies of scale, if that's the direction the council decides to move as we better understand
01:24:07.75	Samara Cox	our
01:24:08.96	Samara Cox	needs and our available resources.
01:24:12.29	Tyler Gertman	That's correct, Vice Mayor, in terms of that analysis. Many cities and school districts and public entities we work with, typically multiple phases. For example, City of San Leandro, finishing up the third phase of projects. Second phase came about because a grant became available, right? And so things arise as you're going through the Energy Master Plan and energy infrastructure improvements. And so you can bolt these types of projects onto this as long as it complies with California Government Code 4217 as a whole picture, including the space phase. And so that practice has been done for years by many of your peers. Regarding the Wi-Fi, that can be extended down Bridgeway. From our understanding and working with staff, the number one really revenue generator is lot one and lot two. And to really get that up and running along with any parking enhancements and technologies that the city may be considering. And then extending that as a potential phase two along with other measures, potentially even here at City Hall and some of the other measures that council has considered in the past.
01:25:15.42	Samara Cox	Thank you for that.
01:25:16.60	Samara Cox	And then solar panels.
01:25:20.12	Samara Cox	They typically have to be changed out every 20 years or so, and you have a 30 year project. And so does your 30 year projected cost savings take into account the need to potentially replace some of the facilities that you'll be installing?
01:25:36.95	Tyler Gertman	So,
01:25:37.96	Tyler Gertman	Very good question. So technology in solar PV has changed dramatically, even over the last 5, 10, 15 years. Systems that were installed 15, 20 years ago used a completely different technology that actually cracks and breaks as the system gets hotter and cooler and contracts and expands. And so those systems are very fragile is the key word for those types of technologies. This technology is completely different because it doesn't have the iron. It doesn't have the threads on top of it, and it can withstand expansion and contraction. And actually, the warranty is 30 years on the product. So whereas, you know, 10, 15 years ago, I'd say the technology, you're right, the technologies, and we weren't even installing renewable energy 10 years ago because we couldn't put our name on it.
01:26:26.58	Tyler Gertman	because it would break.
01:26:28.05	Tyler Gertman	And so this type of technology is completely different and it is much more durable and can last longer.
01:26:33.55	Samara Cox	And then finally, I mentioned to you some of my experience with other energy service contracts with other vendors. And something that's often included with solar installation is removal of the installation upon the at the end of the life cycle of the project. And so that's something that you've contemplated in your proposal.
01:26:55.86	Tyler Gertman	No, but the difference of those types of agreements, those are called power purchase agreements. So somebody else, an investor, owns that equipment. And so at the end of that term, in their contract, they either have to remove it or give it to the city. There's always a negotiation there, typically. And those were the way for many years because of the investment tax credit that now the city, like Sausalito, can take advantage of directly through the Inflation Reduction Act. So those are becoming more of a second tier or third tier financial way of doing renewable energy.
01:27:29.14	Tyler Gertman	And so the situation here today in the space program is the city would actually
01:27:33.39	Tyler Gertman	own the solar. So it's yours for 30, 35, 40 years, however long you want to replace panels if you really need to in 30 years or so, but it's yours. So there doesn't need to be a removal component of it.
01:27:47.17	Samara Cox	And you reminded me of one further question that I asked you offline, which was pertaining to the Inflation Reduction Act. So we've all heard murmurings that the monies already promised to the state of California, if not used by the beginning of this next administration, may be clawed back. And so my question to you is, when will the city under, if you start work in the beginning of 2025, when will the city be eligible to put in its claim for those IRA monies in the hopes that we don't do so too late to recover them?
01:28:31.37	Tyler Gertman	Good question. Back in 2016, when the administration was voted in at that point in time, there was a program called the Clean Renewable Energy Bonds, which was a discount on renewable financing. And that was brought about by a previous administration. The administration that came in and the current one that's coming in now kept that program in place and grandfathered, you know, public entities that took advantage of that, but did not continue the program. So if history serves right, potentially that would be the way that this would be handled. One thing of note is that the funds from the Inflation Reduction Act that are given to the state directly are a different pot of funds than these dollars. This is a program that has been around through multiple Democrat, Republican-led administrations. And it's just simply, instead of giving it to a private investor for renewable energy, giving the public entity the benefit directly. That's really the change. So it's a different pot because even the state of California got a lot of money from the Inflation Reduction Act that they've yet to say what they want to do with. That would most likely, potentially, I don't know, nobody knows, would be clawed back comparatively to this program.
01:29:48.02	Samara Cox	Thank you so much. Yep.
01:29:49.18	Kellen	Thank you.
01:29:50.80	Unknown	That's where we're coming.
01:29:52.98	Kellen	I welcome. Thank you. I know we had a very thorough prior conversation. Nice to see you guys back. Um, a couple of just, I guess more specific questions on the proposal. Um, I see that the only place that they were looking to install EV chargers is at the police station. How many electric vehicles does our police department currently have?
01:30:15.56	city manager	0 and that's because we've lacked EV charging stations and I think the request was made last year that if we were going to buy police cars we need to look at having more energy efficient fleet and one of the ways we could do that is by actually putting in the EV charger so that we could then petition for EV charged or EV police cars.
01:30:36.01	Kellen	Okay, so here's my holistic question, Tyler. I don't know if someone's making calls. Is this, how much of the 429,000,
01:30:46.35	Kellen	is allocated to what seems to be plural electric vehicle chargers for the police department. And what is the trade-off in doing that to service just one component for a need we don't yet have versus placing electric vehicle chargers in, say, MLK?
01:31:06.25	Tyler Gertman	I mean, very, very good point. Very good question. And, you know, MLK EV could potentially be a phase two in terms of looking at, especially as more grant money comes about. That could be something that could be adjusted or modified or added onto this program moving forward. Our direction was to implement them at the police station, and that's what's included in this proposal at this point in time.
01:31:31.29	Kellen	Okay, so appreciate that we gave you that direction.
01:31:35.48	Kellen	EVs yet at the police station, so hopefully that will
01:31:38.61	Kellen	Is that awesome for yourself?
01:31:38.63	Unknown	Whenever it comes to EV funding, I'm going to say
01:31:42.85	Kellen	And,
01:31:42.97	Unknown	It's either you can't get the funding or there's difficulties getting the funding if you don't have the vehicles or the vice versa. If you do not have the...
01:31:43.83	Kellen	Right?
01:31:44.88	Kellen	Yeah.
01:31:52.22	Unknown	EV charging infrastructure to support getting the vehicles and getting funding to support those things. So it really is a what's available at the time that makes sense. Obviously this city has had challenges in the past, especially when so much of the funding for these types of things are going to disadvantage communities or low income communities. And so this type of the funding and part of the EV grant can support this and also help you get EV vehicles in the future and get funding for those.
01:32:21.01	Kellen	Okay. Just want to be cautious about solving a problem we don't have yet. Although I hear you, you're saying solve the problem and then you can not have the problem anymore. I get it. Okay. Let's go over to the old city hall, the HVAC. We've had some facilities issues with that building. I didn't see, and I'm sure you looked at it, but is there anything about the current physical infrastructure there that would prevent this HVAC from being deployed?
01:32:49.03	Tyler Gertman	Not from our review in terms of it. And we're also working with Director McCown. He's doing a part of the work, and we're coming in and doing the HVAC and the new air conditioning as well as the duct work on top of the roof. So we've been in coordination with Ali and his team in terms of that project. Once this is potentially approved, depending on your decision tonight, we'd be able to move forward and finish that project for that building.
01:33:12.39	Kellen	OK.
01:33:12.91	Kellen	Yeah, I will just put it on the record that I know we've had some flooding issues and some leakage issues in that building. I am sure Department of Public Works is addressing those as part of this conversation. Okay. You didn't mention the solar that we have here on city hall.
01:33:27.83	Tyler Gertman	Correct. That currently is removed from the project for potential other considerations of this site. And so that could be added on in a future phase two, or even in the next three, four months, depending on available funding and other other decisions made by council.
01:33:43.66	Kellen	Okay, and then my last is more of like a wish list ask, a little creative time. I totally get why battery storage is not included due to cost. However, could we pursue a microgrid that we then deploy as a virtual power plant in coordination with MCE, which has a rebate program around virtual power plants? Can we please have microgrids? Okay.
01:34:08.21	Tyler Gertman	So we can review that program as a potential adder. We've done microgrids at other places for different priorities that were given to us by council or by city staff. So it definitely can be done. And maybe with this funding, there could be a potential adder to this program and looking at it. That's fantastic.
01:34:27.36	Tyler Gertman	100% in the works.
01:34:28.90	Kellen	Okay, so maybe if we don't do battery storage, we can even like Sesame Solar, one of the mobile, because as you depart tonight, I urge you to look to the right, you'll see a big, noisy, dirty diesel generator. I hope that we never run that again, but we may if we don't have backup power.
01:34:43.65	Tyler Gertman	When we look at micro grids,
01:34:46.03	Tyler Gertman	It's a deeper conversation, as we were talking with Mayor Sobieski. It's a deeper conversation in terms of what does that need for that specific facility itself. So police might need more than two or four hours. So they might need multiple batteries, but that might not be the best solution in addition to the microgrid. There might have to be a generator component with that as well. Or looking at MLK, maybe it is a two to four hour at MLK because they're tenants, right? And so we can look at various different things. And it's really specific in terms of what is the goal of that facility versus just resiliency? How many hours of backup do you truly need? And then we engineer it for that specific need and also make sure that it match it to the funding. Yeah. So you're standing.
01:35:24.96	Kellen	Yeah, so you're standing in one of our PSPS centers, right? And this is where the library is, our city hall. This is where people gather. We have that diesel generator. We have solar on the rooftop. We can help the microgrid. I know, it's not a great system. I get it. I'm speaking.
01:35:40.97	Kellen	I hear you. I hear you. Okay. So that's just my wish. I'm done. Decisions of counsel. Correct. I'm done. Yep. Thank you.
01:35:41.02	Unknown	I hear you.
01:35:41.90	Unknown	So that's just my wish.
01:35:45.63	Unknown	Yep.
01:35:46.74	Unknown	And part of our, you know, if we have the good fortune to be approved tonight, part of our partnership with the city is to keep stay close to the funding that's out there. Watch that timing. That is driven, as Tyler mentioned, many phases of work with many cities that we've worked with. And so you have that commitment from us ongoing.
01:36:02.73	Unknown	after construction.
01:36:04.82	Unknown	It comes very robust.
01:36:06.39	Council Member Blaustein	Yeah, that's one of the questions I was going to ask, so I'll follow up on that, which is that as part of this continuation of an agreement to work together, would you...
01:36:15.94	Council Member Blaustein	keep us in the loop as further grants and funding opportunities become available. 100%. Okay, so for example, if we did want to pursue a
01:36:23.99	Council Member Blaustein	a power plant, virtual power plant, we could do that through MCEA. And if we bring you a grand opportunity that we find you would work with us to craft that.
01:36:32.66	Tyler Gertman	Katie's done that in the past. She's forwarded on different grants. We've taken a look at it and worked together on does this make sense or not.
01:36:38.13	Council Member Blaustein	Okay, great. And then I wanted to just dig into some of the proposed measures and get a better sense of what we chose for phase for the base phase and what you saw in phase two. So for example,
01:36:49.81	Council Member Blaustein	I'm a little bit disappointed that the city hall windows are not making it into the base phase. Could you talk a little bit about why we were unable to find that
01:36:57.87	Council Member Blaustein	that funding within the base phase or how we made the decisions about not prioritizing that
01:37:03.05	Tyler Gertman	Yeah, so it was a collaboration with city staff and other members to look at the project and figure out what is the fundamental program that would
01:37:13.33	Tyler Gertman	we could start the relationship and see the savings, get good results from and potentially expand to other measures. Looking at the cost and the savings of the windows, it was a quick X from staff's viewpoint. And so we were given that direction to remove it. It can always be added to it. There was some financing components associated with the project that could have funded that portion of it. And it can still fund it in the future as you consider, you know, the use of this facility and how that could look with renewable energy and other measures as well.
01:37:48.55	Council Member Blaustein	So it was a cost savings decision that was made, given that the savings associated with replacing the windows for newer windows or for adding sealant to the windows were so, so minimal.
01:37:57.95	Tyler Gertman	But there's also, you know,
01:38:00.14	Tyler Gertman	Projects are done for infrastructure as well. A lot of projects are done just because you need to get the infrastructure work done.
01:38:05.46	Tyler Gertman	And so that's why it was included in the overall analysis, but it was removed.
01:38:09.59	Tyler Gertman	due to those factors.
01:38:11.65	Council Member Blaustein	And then I also noticed in the infrastructure needs, the water irrigation conservation is not part of the base phase, but I know that
01:38:18.47	Council Member Blaustein	Katie, thank you, Katie worked on a grant, I think, associated with getting heat pumps in City Hall. Do you know what the status is of that? Maybe Katie needs to answer that question, just because I want to just tap into all of the ways that we're addressing climate change mitigation strategy.
01:38:25.00	Katie Thao Garcia	What?
01:38:35.21	Katie Thao Garcia	Yeah, for sure. So heat pump water heaters, electric heat pump water heaters were installed in city hall and MLK. I think back in
01:38:46.65	Katie Thao Garcia	March. And those are all up and running. We got $42,000 roughly worth of free equipment and labor for that.
01:38:56.18	Council Member Blaustein	Great, thank you. I just wanted to give some credit where credit is due for that great work because she's already taken that on and is tackling it. Okay. Okay. And then when, so just to look at it from, because I mean, I think it's no secret that I'm, Councilmember Kelman and I are a huge climate.
01:39:11.91	Council Member Blaustein	activists and really care about taking every step we can with a climate lens.
01:39:15.86	Council Member Blaustein	but knowing that and being aware of basic infrastructure needs and requests we've heard from residents about what does and doesn't have to happen, maybe you could just touch a little bit more on, like,
01:39:25.51	Council Member Blaustein	where specifically the lighting and street lighting is going to go so that general resident benefits are more clear as we talk about what's in the base phase and what the day-to-day uses of some of these things are within MLK or otherwise.
01:39:38.74	Tyler Gertman	I apologize. Can you repeat that question?
01:39:40.55	Council Member Blaustein	Is it too loud behind you? Yeah.
01:39:41.80	Babette McDougall	Yeah, I guess I'll just say.
01:39:52.29	Council Member Blaustein	I was just asking about if you could explain to some of the more general, as we think about improvements in infrastructure, because that's a clear priority for our council and we've been really focusing on back to basics.
01:40:03.08	Council Member Blaustein	you know, what does it mean to have the lights upgraded LEDs? Does that mean all new street lamps in different locations in our downtown, or does that just mean changing the bulbs? If we're working on building automation in MLK, what does that mean for, for example, our tenants there where we're working on renegotiating a lease?
01:40:19.93	Tyler Gertman	Yeah, definitely understand. So a lot of just on the LED lighting, a lot of the LED light
01:40:27.07	Tyler Gertman	A lot of the LED lighting has already been modernized.
01:40:31.07	Unknown	Hold on. Could you could someone please close the door there?
01:40:35.73	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
01:40:35.97	Unknown	Thank you.
01:40:36.81	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
01:40:36.86	Unknown	very much.
01:40:37.48	Unknown	Okay.
01:40:37.60	Tyler Gertman	You go right.
01:40:38.04	Unknown	Go ahead.
01:40:40.00	Tyler Gertman	So a lot of the LED, a lot of the street lights are already converted to LED. This is just doing the remaining, I think there's about 76 of them that are, you know, special type LED lights. It'll be a similar color. It'll improve safety and it will reduce overall cost of operating those fixtures. And lifecycle cost is reduced because those LED technologies can last longer. So you're not replacing them as often from a city perspective. In terms of building automation or better control at various different facilities at MLK, specifically for the tenants, they're going to be able to have better control of the heating and cooling within their spaces. And for the city, it's going to be off. And for the tenants, it's going to be off and on not operational when they leave so it's better control so energy savings but at the same time improved comfort within the space obviously the same thing with the hvac at old city hall when the hot period comes around june july august it'll be better within that store and within that space so there's also also other soft, tangible benefits. What's not included in this program is any staff efficiencies, any labor improvements from the staff perspective. The technology that Kevin and his team will be able to see from the phone, right now they have to go out and change everything and drive out to MLK, drive, you know, and go to various different locations. They'll be able to see see it remotely and control it make sure it's off when it's not needed so there's various different benefits for the people in the space as well as an operational benefit for the city
01:42:13.15	Council Member Blaustein	Okay, and now I just want to dig into the fiscal components of this a little bit and I might need your help city manager with this but you mentioned that it goes over to payment cycles that this project so what we're where you found $500,000 roughly of immediate funding and about a million and a half is going to come from city funding and support.
01:42:30.07	Council Member Blaustein	And it says that you've identified MLK fund, parking fund, old city hall fund, et cetera, to go through.
01:42:35.93	Council Member Blaustein	each of these efforts. Can you just talk about what that looks like if we break it over two budgeting cycles and what that will mean for where we stand with regards to our measure L funding and our funds in general and our infrastructure goals just have a bigger picture financially. And then maybe you can weigh in Tyler on just the general overall cost saving measures as they relate to that expense.
01:42:57.87	city manager	Yeah, to save money, you have to invest money. And so in this particular case, in talking to the Climate Tech team, the question became, you know, how long does this project last? How can it be funded so that the impact is not felt as much in this year's budget? So this year's budget has already been approved by the city council. Obviously, you can do things differently with contingencies if you want to, but there's an opportunity to make it something that is minimal in the next six months from the expense side and backload it into 2526. And the funding source, we originally looked at having this funded through a borrow, but you pay money to borrow money. So the thought is if you have $8.5 million in unassigned funds that you haven't designated, then you should have a conversation about where to designate that. So this could be an opportunity to use some of that, a Measure L. We have not allocated funding for next year in terms of what we would spend with Measure L. Measure L generates between $2.4 and $3 million a yearARS A YEAR. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT WE USE MEASURE L TO FUND. BUT YOU COULD USE MEASURE L FUNDS IN THE FUTURE TO FUND PART OF THAT. BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF WAS NOT TO GO WITH A BORROW BECAUSE OF THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH A BORROW. LEAVE MEASURE L, KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY there, and look at your unassigned funds as a way to pay for this investment. But do it in a way that doesn't impact this year's budget. And I believe as the Climate Tech people are signed up, they then have a lot of work to do in January, February, March, so the bills don't actually start coming to the city until May, June, July, and so they shouldn't be impactful to this year's budget in a major way but if you want to do this project is recommended by staff you know you have to make a commitment of 1.9 million dollars in investment to save money over time for whatever insurance pardon me utility costs whatever insurance improvements you want to make that may be hidden and use existing funds that you currently don't have a purpose for or haven't had the conversation about what that purpose might be. This is to jumpstart that. Originally, it was going to be a $5 million project through conversations with you all. Internally, we shrank it into something that's more bite-sized and phased. And so the $2 million amount is... THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL. INTERNALLY, WE SHRENK IT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE BITE-SIZED AND PHASED. AND SO THE $2 MILLION AMOUNT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL COULD TAKE OUT OF ITS UNASSIGNED MONEY. YOU COULD USE MEASURE L IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT IN THE BUDGET YEAR THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN.
01:45:41.02	Council Member Blaustein	Okay, but I look and look at the fiscal impact chart that's great and I appreciate that, but it seems that the sources of funding from the city budget don't take into account the sources of funding as identified by climate tax so actually not as much money will have to be taken from potentially the general fund or. Or otherwise, because your numbers here are still 1951, but if you subtract the 150 the third from.
01:46:03.93	Council Member Blaustein	PG&E, the 39 from EV charging, the 265 from inflation reduction, then the contribution of city capital should only be at 1.497. So that means that we would only really be allocating
01:46:14.38	Council Member Blaustein	I don't know. I'm not very good at math.
01:46:16.72	Council Member Blaustein	730 K from the no less than that from oh in total yeah but in total but I meant reduction from the general fund if we're gonna take money away from there because the others although I appreciate the conversation we had about the tideline funds and maybe we reconsider how that's spent but I I think if we're taking away that 490,000 ish from the general fund it's a significantly less capital contribution from the city so I don't know how we I don't know if you're not doing that because you're being risk adverse but it's a significant amount
01:46:43.37	city manager	Amen.
01:46:46.24	city manager	Yeah, no, it is significant, and I want to just be clear. We have to authorize the $1.9 million. If it all comes from different sources, and we lay that out in the staff report, you're correct. It could come from funds that are called enterprise funds, but they really are multipurpose funds. If you want to use Old City Hall Fund, we don't use that as part of our general fund calculation, but we could. When you talk about the parking fund, sometimes we don't use that for a general fund calculation, but you could. WE DON'T WANT TO USE OLD CITY HALL FUND. WE DON'T USE THAT AS PART OF OUR GENERAL FUND CALCULATION, BUT WE COULD. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARKING FUND, SOMETIMES WE DON'T USE THAT FOR A GENERAL FUND CALCULATION, BUT YOU COULD. THERE ARE A LOT OF FUNDS, AND I SEE CHAT ON THE PHONE, AND HE CAN ANSWER IN MORE DETAIL WHERE THE SPECIFICS NUMBERS ARE.
01:47:24.05	Council Member Blaustein	But what I'm saying is that the numbers that you put together for the funds don't take into account all of the funding sources as addressed by Climatec. So really, we only need to budget for 1.497, assuming. Ultimately. Ultimately. But Tyler is-
01:47:35.78	Unknown	ALTERNATIVE.
01:47:36.03	Tyler Gertman	with.
01:47:36.27	Unknown	Thank you.
01:47:36.31	Unknown	But Tyler is-
01:47:37.50	Tyler Gertman	Yeah, sorry. Go ahead. Vice Mayor Cox, thank you. Ultimately, because some of these programs are reimbursable. So the Inflation Reduction Act is a reimbursement, as well as the on-bill financing is a reimbursement. That's $265,000 plus $150,000. So the city, and just like every other public entity, pays for it up front, project's done, funding comes back. So that's where the net 1.5 roughly came into account. But you still have to account for the 1.9 total.
01:47:37.52	Council Member Blaustein	Yeah.
01:47:38.21	Council Member Blaustein	Go ahead.
01:48:01.58	Council Member Blaustein	Right.
01:48:04.11	Council Member Blaustein	Sure, I just think it's important when we talk holistically about our budget and what it looks like and how much money we're gonna get back versus put into it when we think about the savings
01:48:11.94	Council Member Blaustein	you know, 3 million to 6.9 million in the context of an investment that is roughly 1.5 sorry chad sanders.
01:48:18.58	Director Hess	Director Hess.
01:48:19.49	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
01:48:20.40	Unknown	So my comment is on the PG&E on the financing, that's a loan.
01:48:26.02	Unknown	That's not a grant. That's something that we have to pay back. So that is an expenditure to the city.
01:48:31.49	Unknown	So that should be included in our analysis in terms of the payback cost.
01:48:36.30	Unknown	And as they said, the IRA grant is a reimbursable grant that's going to take some time to recoup. So I need to include that in our initial budget request.
01:48:49.59	Kellen	So while we're, thank you for that, Councilmember. And while we're being creative, so you probably know that in May of this year, we signed a deal with integrative charging for installation of EV chargers, and they are owning the financing, the installation, right? We're doing a 20% rev share. To the extent that there are revenue producing components of this plan, such as EV chargers at the fire station, which will be available or should be available for public use because we don't have EV police cars yet.
01:49:16.48	Kellen	Could we look to defer some of the costs by partnering with them? We're expanding the scope of the contract we already have with them so that we don't have an upfront cost.
01:49:25.99	Tyler Gertman	So,
01:49:27.58	Tyler Gertman	The understanding is that that will not be for public use. And so they were not interested in the investment and implementation of that. That's why they are doing the Sausalito Arts Building, as well as obviously City Hall, which you see obviously installed. And so they're taking where there's genuinely revenue opportunity for the long term. And that's why when we were working with Ali and Kevin and the team and Katie, that's where the police station was, hey, that's a great program for what, you know, the city's going to own this infrastructure for this type of project versus them owning and doing a rev share.
01:50:04.03	Kellen	I think I was just a little bit stuck on
01:50:06.22	Kellen	including a significant amount of money to solve a problem we do not yet have.
01:50:11.76	Kellen	you know, what conversations have we had with our police department about acquiring EV vehicles? Do they want EV vehicles? Because we could, in fact, install public charging stations down there, which I'd be delighted to do, at least in that vicinity, have them being used by the public, transition them to police use only, you know, at some point in time.
01:50:29.41	Tyler Gertman	You could do that. You could make them public right now until then and just collect the revenue yourselves. And you can customize the cost per KWH. We'll even give you a number that makes sense.
01:50:38.30	Mark Palmer	Right.
01:50:38.44	Tyler Gertman	financially and you just reap all those benefits financially.
01:50:41.88	Tyler Gertman	That's not part of the calculations either in the 3.1. That would be above and beyond revenue that you would get.
01:50:41.93	Kellen	That's not the case.
01:50:46.65	Kellen	Awesome. Thanks, Tyler.
01:50:47.82	Tyler Gertman	I don't know.
01:50:48.98	Kellen	Oh, sorry, Chad.
01:50:50.37	Unknown	Yeah, I want to speak up on behalf of the police department. That's where they park their patrol vehicles. I don't know if leasing that or using those charges for public use is maybe the best
01:50:59.82	Unknown	desirable outcome.
01:51:01.49	Unknown	I don't know if Pete's here to-
01:51:01.99	Kellen	So it's not for patrol vehicles, it's for the parking enforcement.
01:51:05.88	Unknown	No, this is in front of the PD, directly in front of the PD where they parked the patrol vehicles.
01:51:11.16	Kellen	I see.
01:51:12.22	Kellen	Well, I just want to make sure that's normal. I understand that. But again, to build something for a use that doesn't exist, those will not be utilized and they will stand vacant. And that seems like a waste of resources.
01:51:12.24	Unknown	I just want to make sure that's normal.
01:51:21.69	Unknown	I'm not arguing that point. I'm just, yeah. I just want to make sure that we know we probably can't put them in front of the PD and make them public use.
01:51:25.21	Kellen	We want them.
01:51:26.02	Kellen	Bye.
01:51:26.12	Kellen	We probably can't put them in front of the PDF.
01:51:27.71	Unknown	Thank you.
01:51:27.73	Kellen	Thank you.
01:51:28.98	Kellen	Sorry, Chad, I didn't recognize you.
01:51:30.97	Unknown	Thank you.
01:51:31.10	Unknown	for Lyle Steen. It was still her question time. Yes. I can give the floor back to her.
01:51:33.57	Unknown	Bye.
01:51:33.60	Kellen	you.
01:51:33.65	Unknown	Yes.
01:51:35.31	Unknown	Thank you.
01:51:35.32	Unknown	That's right.
01:51:35.41	Unknown	That's OK.
01:51:35.61	city manager	Okay, it was relevant. Mayor, before we leave that EV charging discussion, I'd like to add something to it. Over a year and a half ago, we were called an EV charging station desert. We had nothing. And so you told us we need to up the ante. And so we worked with Intertai and other folks to do that. In the conversation about buying a police car a couple of months ago, the question came from the Dias, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER BLAUSTEEN ASKED WHY AREN'T WE LOOKING AT ELECTRIC POLICE CARS? AND THE ANSWER FROM THE CHIEF TO ME WAS WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO CHARGE THEM. SO THIS IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT IN TWO WAYS. ONE IS ADDING MORE EV CHARGING STATIONS SO WE CAN ELECTRIFY OUR FLEET TO HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION AND NOT BE A DESERT. SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DO BOTH AND I THINK
01:51:35.96	Unknown	It was relevant.
01:51:37.45	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
01:52:26.34	city manager	The question about who authorized this I think is important because I believe it came from you all that we start looking at EV charging stations.
01:52:34.33	Council Member Blaustein	Wow, we really need these lighting upgrades.
01:52:36.65	city manager	as future for us. So we have to start somewhere is my point.
01:52:42.87	Council Member Blaustein	I don't have to follow up,
01:52:43.97	Samara Cox	Would it be possible for us to reconsider the siting of the EV charging stations? There's a whole lot of parking right along the street in front of the diagonal parking. So if we were to, for example, designate several of those spots for the EV chargers that could be used by the public interimly until the police have vehicles to charge and then designate them for police use could that be an optional approach that would allow us to accomplish this now I'm kind of looking at the city manager
01:53:22.63	Samara Cox	who's not seeing me, looking at him.
01:53:25.08	Sunshine	Oh, yeah.
01:53:28.00	Samara Cox	Oh, I'm asking you if that could not be an alternative approach that would allow us to make immediate use of these chargers until such time as the police is ready for them.
01:53:44.30	city manager	I believe so. I think that's an opportunity that we need to explore.
01:53:48.97	Unknown	Councilmember Blaustein back the Q&A. She's been so accommodating of everybody. It's okay. Why don't you finish the questions and then Councilmember Hoffman, if that's all right. Okay.
01:53:58.27	Council Member Blaustein	Okay, thanks. I appreciate it. I was just going to also, can you say what percent of, or what part of the $429,000 for the police department is specifically for those EV chargers? Do we know?
01:54:12.51	Tyler Gertman	about 30%.
01:54:13.76	Council Member Blaustein	Okay, all right, so that's not an insignificant amount.
01:54:15.57	Tyler Gertman	And then there's a $39,000 grant that's going along with those.
01:54:19.06	Council Member Blaustein	OK, OK, so that's important to consider in the context of that. But considering a public share of it might be a good revenue generator that could potentially make sense. OK, and then Katie, I had a question for you.
01:54:40.68	Council Member Blaustein	So when you think about the work that the department has been doing for the last year since you came on board and the steps you're trying to take to move us forward for climate action, do you feel that this is a critical part of the work and strategy that we're putting forward to be more of a climate forward city?
01:54:59.66	Katie Thao Garcia	For sure. Undoubtedly, yes. If you look into our 2015 Climate Action Plan and you go through the recommended measures to get us to 2040 greenhouse gas production levels,
01:55:17.19	Katie Thao Garcia	I've left the paper over there, but I'd be happy to follow up with you on the implementation measures that this would actually check off. Getting the final LEDs, getting fleet infrastructure available for us, installing solar panels. It's all lined out on the climate action plan.
01:55:35.42	Council Member Blaustein	And what would you say in response to someone who said, well, I'm more worried about sea level rise, why wouldn't we put this money towards mitigating sea level rise, for example, in terms of your overarching strategy?
01:55:46.12	Katie Thao Garcia	I'm obviously they're both incredibly important and dear to me. I think we have the opportunity to do something now and to bundle these projects together.
01:55:56.41	Katie Thao Garcia	to reduce greenhouse gas emissions right now, to take advantage of Inflation Reduction Act, to take advantage of the willingness of the city council to prioritize climate action goals,
01:56:11.75	Katie Thao Garcia	to get climate action plans done that have been written in stone since 2015.
01:56:17.12	Katie Thao Garcia	um i think we've i think the council has already done the work to get us there and you know there's no reason why we wouldn't do it in my opinion
01:56:25.05	Council Member Blaustein	Great. Thank you.
01:56:25.72	Katie Thao Garcia	so much.
01:56:28.54	Director Hess	on September 1,
01:56:29.30	Councilmember Hoffman	Thanks. So just the EV charging station issue, just to clear it up in case people are watching, we have EV charging stations here at City Hall, don't we?
01:56:38.16	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, so we're not an EV charging desert. We also have had...
01:56:44.19	Councilmember Hoffman	EV charging station for many, many years in Sausalito.
01:56:47.88	Councilmember Hoffman	with inner tide down by Bank of Marin. So even when people claimed we were a desert, we were not actually charging desert.
01:56:55.24	Councilmember Hoffman	and we authorized in 2022 EV charging stations in Sausalito. So just to clear that up.
01:57:03.25	Councilmember Hoffman	I'm curious.
01:57:05.48	Councilmember Hoffman	I don't see much about
01:57:07.49	Councilmember Hoffman	City Hall at all on this and Councilmember Blaustein asked about the windows, but was there Was there a decision not to include Old City Hall is downtown. That's the Jean Hiller or Jean Hiller
01:57:24.67	Councilmember Hoffman	businesses now, but
01:57:27.34	Councilmember Hoffman	It's wrong to call this new City Hall, but this is the current City Hall. Was there a reason why we didn't look at this? It's too overwhelming to think about? That might be the reason.
01:57:34.62	city manager	It's just too overwhelming to think about, because that might be the right thing.
01:57:37.49	city manager	reason.
01:57:38.14	city manager	Councilmember?
01:57:38.99	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah.
01:57:39.16	city manager	Thank you.
01:57:39.22	city manager	count Hoffman and council mayor. I'll take the first stab at it then Tyler can jump in. So the question was cost and the project at city hall, this city hall involved windows. And my recollection was it was gonna take a million dollars for the project
01:57:58.27	city manager	a million dollars to replace the windows, and that wasn't seen as value added given the return on it. So that was the driving factor to say maybe not this cycle. And then there's the uncertainty of what's going to happen to City Hall. If at some point in time someone says we want City Hall to be something different, then, you know, you'd have some infrastructure in place that you might regret. So those two things drove this to, you know, the point where we looked at it and said, well, maybe it's easier to take baby steps as opposed to some big gallop. So these are our attempts at taking baby steps to get this project, this contract, this work off the ground. If we have a big conversation about city hall and city hall windows that cost a million dollars, I think that could be detrimental to a decision to go forward. So that's why I thought it wasn't wise to include this in this particular phase.
01:58:50.73	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, thank you for that.
01:58:54.49	Unknown	Okay, I had a couple of questions, if you don't mind. And thank you for all the time you spent with...
01:58:58.70	Unknown	me last month.
01:58:59.32	Councilmember Hoffman	Of course.
01:59:01.21	Unknown	Uh,
01:59:02.63	Unknown	So I still trying to track down and just, and for all the great work and Katie, congratulations on all the great work, but I'm still trying to track down this issue of,
01:59:11.86	Unknown	the
01:59:12.77	Unknown	cost savings to the city. We...
01:59:15.93	Unknown	have tenants at MLK.
01:59:17.68	Unknown	Thank you.
01:59:17.73	Unknown	and they pay
01:59:17.83	Unknown	Thank you.
01:59:19.33	Unknown	their utilities. So the current, the city doesn't pay utilities for power used NMLK rather
01:59:25.93	Unknown	The tenants pay that so if we had
01:59:29.00	Unknown	solar or any other source of energy,
01:59:33.31	Unknown	the city wouldn't. How would
01:59:35.03	Tyler Gertman	the city recover costs there.
01:59:37.73	Tyler Gertman	So currently the city gets a bill from PG&E for MLK, for all the meters, and pays it, and then...
01:59:45.96	Tyler Gertman	gives it to the tenants to pay the city.
01:59:48.90	Tyler Gertman	in terms of it. So you're getting the bills. It's not the tenant getting that. So what would occur is that the tenant will still be paying for their utilities. It'll be a different calculation for the invoice to them to pay the city, and the city would keep the portion that's produced by the solar PV. There's a cost per KWH, which we've given to the city, it's 26 cents per KWH. So that takes into account all the various different factors from PG&E and when it's producing, when it's selling back to PG&E, etc. It's a very complicated equation that takes into account all of that. So simply what the city would be doing is
02:00:28.84	Tyler Gertman	Passing along any remaining PG&E cost plus the KWH produced times 26 cents, that's the new bill. And they'll be partaking in, obviously, the green and sustainability initiatives of the renewable energy on their facility. But then you would keep the KWH times whatever is produced from the solar PV.
02:00:48.99	Unknown	Okay.
02:00:49.46	Tyler Gertman	So we would
02:00:49.97	Unknown	be billing our tenants as basically a small-time utility we'd be selling power to our tenants
02:00:52.15	Tyler Gertman	Exactly.
02:00:56.77	Tyler Gertman	Right. Yeah. Similar to what you do right now in terms of the PG&E bill and passing it along. You're just having a smaller PG&E bill and then adding on the solar production. And that's their new bill.
02:01:07.08	Tyler Gertman	seven years from now,
02:01:07.98	Unknown	you know.
02:01:08.60	Unknown	after you know none of us are on the council and you're often another municipality. How do how does the future city government know what to charge?
02:01:17.14	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:01:17.53	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:01:17.54	Unknown	the tenant.
02:01:18.17	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:01:18.66	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:01:18.67	Unknown	for
02:01:19.03	Tyler Gertman	kilowatt hour of power.
02:01:20.78	Tyler Gertman	Very good point. So there's two things that are going to go into that equation. It's the production of the solar PV during that given month period of time. The city will have the real time production data of that system. So that takes care of that one factor. They would just look at the interface online and see how much KWH is being produced by the solar. And then in terms of what to charge the tenant on the dollar per KWH, you can simply increase that either by four or 5%, similar to the utility would increase. And you can 26 cents times the 1.05% each year to calculate for that escalation if you so choose in terms of it, or you can just keep it at 26 cents. So it's the calculation that would have to be done at the time.
02:02:08.24	Tyler Gertman	You know, with other cities, we have 10, 15 year relationships with them if we're still around.
02:02:12.42	Tyler Gertman	Would love to have that question asked of us so that we can help calculate that for the city.
02:02:17.20	Unknown	maybe it's a question for our city attorney, but this is what I'm wondering about in the leases. You know, there's a reason why it's a catch 22. Like you provide free power to your tenants or,
02:02:27.37	Unknown	if a landlord provides to the tenants, like how,
02:02:30.61	Unknown	Is it built into our leases to let us charge something
02:02:33.73	Unknown	Like currently the lease agreement is you pay for your power. We pass you on the bill.
02:02:37.84	Unknown	that certifies what it is that the tenant is obliged to pay. Seven years from now,
02:02:42.71	Unknown	What happens, Mr. City Attorney? Like, how do we ask for a payment? And what number do we give them?
02:02:47.34	city attorney	Yeah.
02:02:49.07	city attorney	Yeah, we may need to renegotiate these portions of the leases with respect to utilities as a result of this project, which certainly I think the city can do, given the fact that the project would likely result.
02:03:00.80	city attorney	in cost savings, but potentially to the city and to the tenants. So
02:03:05.65	city attorney	Thank you.
02:03:06.66	Unknown	And so this should actually be a little bit of a profit center, right? If you turned it around, it would be an extra source of revenue.
02:03:13.71	Unknown	uh,
02:03:14.89	Unknown	If we're because right now we're not getting any revenue from the power usage. It's zero. But, you know, apples to apples. If we started selling power to our tenants, that would be actual positive cash flow.
02:03:15.30	Director Hess	You say you say you say.
02:03:27.26	Unknown	Uh,
02:03:28.58	Unknown	No, I know you, well.
02:03:29.73	Unknown	Yeah, I was just curious because with that stream, you could actually then this notion of debt, you could, I don't know what that number is, but you could actually help subsidize the cost of the installation if we knew what that cash flow was and actually built it into the leases that would justify some of the capital outlay. But let me just ask you this. The subsidy of...
02:03:48.09	Unknown	In this project, a million nine, roughly a million dollars of it is solar, right? Correct.
02:03:52.03	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:03:52.05	Unknown	And it's only the solar portions that get the subsidy from the Inflation Reduction Act, which is about a 30%.
02:03:52.10	Tyler Gertman	And it's.
02:03:56.39	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:03:58.04	Tyler Gertman	Correct.
02:03:58.18	Unknown	It's roughly $300,000.
02:03:59.85	Tyler Gertman	30% of eligible cost, and the estimation is conservative at this point in time.
02:04:05.28	Unknown	And if we wanted just to do, say, the police station and not do MLK,
02:04:09.67	Unknown	Is that something we can do or no?
02:04:11.63	Tyler Gertman	No, it would hurt the project from a procurement standpoint and would not qualify for 4217.
02:04:16.67	Unknown	And that's because of your
02:04:18.51	Unknown	Just the size of the project you need to make it
02:04:20.74	Tyler Gertman	Not us, just the overall economics of the project. One of the, you know, lighting has great savings. Solar PV has great savings as well. Those are the two pieces that are driving savings for the 4217 compliance of this project. For the other portions, as well as the cost of those projects, when you start unbundling these projects, that's when you start having compliance issues.
02:04:42.66	Unknown	Okay.
02:04:43.33	Tyler Gertman	So it's not us. It's the law that's been in place.
02:04:43.39	Unknown	So it's not up.
02:04:45.93	Unknown	The Vice Mayor asked about the Inflation Reduction Act.
02:04:49.56	Unknown	If something untoward were to happen there,
02:04:52.04	Unknown	at the government, in the federal government.
02:04:54.73	Unknown	where the money is held up.
02:04:58.17	Unknown	We authorize this tonight. The money somehow held up. What happens contractually with you and with this project in terms of
02:05:05.37	Unknown	if we can't get that money back from
02:05:08.24	Unknown	Thank you.
02:05:08.27	Tyler Gertman	Well, we can't guarantee that money. Obviously it's a risk.
02:05:11.95	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:05:12.11	Tyler Gertman	from the city council's perspective that you need to take into account.
02:05:15.58	Tyler Gertman	the contract with us doesn't change we would implement that project because
02:05:19.80	Tyler Gertman	The city would be allocating the funds to get the project done. And if something were to happen with that money and it doesn't come back to the city, we can't control that.
02:05:29.02	Unknown	Thank you.
02:05:29.88	Unknown	And then in the whole scope of work, there was a lot of emphasis on...
02:05:34.25	Unknown	The financial analysis, the cost savings and whatnot, and yet it seemed like to the vice mayor and the council member, I mean, council member, Kelvin and Blasen's points that there's real opportunity for resilience. In fact, public safety here that road we didn't go down if we had put.
02:05:52.81	Unknown	if we with the same amount of money 1.9 million we had put more money into say battery storage at the police station we'd have less lifetime cycle costs savings
02:06:01.52	Tyler Gertman	But yeah.
02:06:01.97	Unknown	unless.
02:06:02.29	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:06:02.31	Unknown	Okay.
02:06:02.38	Tyler Gertman	THE FEDERAL.
02:06:02.56	Unknown	for the
02:06:02.71	Tyler Gertman	sure.
02:06:02.81	Unknown	Thank you.
02:06:02.97	Unknown	but we would have a more resilient public safety.
02:06:07.71	Unknown	a situation where the police could have power for perhaps days in a extended power blackout.
02:06:13.13	Tyler Gertman	Well, yeah, depending on how many batteries, where you put them, because that area is very space constrained. But to get back to your question, that can be looked at as a potential phase adder. And the fact that you're putting solar PV on it will help with the battery storage analysis in terms of how long can it go. So you're doing a portion of the microgrid within the space program. And then it's about additional analysis and even looking at additional funding. And if it's truly a resilience need, then that can definitely be considered as phase two, phase three, whenever you see fit.
02:06:49.34	Unknown	So,
02:06:51.25	Unknown	just a top level question to work with you.
02:06:54.72	Unknown	Is it possible to authorize a million nine, the ask number, but still rejigger some of these priorities? For sure. Is the die cast?
02:07:00.53	Tyler Gertman	For sure. 100%.
02:07:01.62	Unknown	Thank you.
02:07:01.64	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:07:02.44	Unknown	So...
02:07:02.59	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:07:02.84	Tyler Gertman	As we're working on the as we're working on implementation and the detailed engineering and CAD drawings of all the projects that we're doing, simultaneously doing the engineering of how many batteries will it take to have the accomplishment of, you know, the chief and the other, you know, what they need for that facility, we can have those discussions along with implementing the project.
02:07:22.09	Unknown	Well, just in that direction, then to pick on the counselor, our comments thing she knows more about this than I do it. But just if we authorized a million nine here tonight, would it be possible to take the ideas of council member Blastin and Kalman in regards to the micro grid and public safety resiliency and allocate some of those funds to that rather than other elements that are currently outlined in this document?
02:07:42.78	Tyler Gertman	I see what you're saying.
02:07:44.56	Unknown	Or is it too late as that ship sailed?
02:07:47.44	Tyler Gertman	Right now, the compliance and the whole package is put together with what we have and the direction that we've been given from everybody to date for the past year.
02:07:55.20	Tyler Gertman	Um,
02:07:56.18	Tyler Gertman	So,
02:07:56.76	Tyler Gertman	to be able to add it on to the project.
02:07:59.27	Tyler Gertman	that that's a brain or that analysis can be done.
02:08:02.49	Tyler Gertman	and can help and even position for some of the grants
02:08:05.26	Tyler Gertman	are potentially available for that.
02:08:07.51	Tyler Gertman	I couldn't even have that answer tonight because I don't know what that would do to the compliance. And you might be approving something that won't comply with 4217,
02:08:15.64	Tyler Gertman	Obviously, council doesn't want to do.
02:08:17.95	city attorney	Yeah, and I would similarly be concerned. Before you tonight is not just the approval of a specific amount of money. It's the approval of a specific contract. So we would need to come back to the city council with revisions to the scope of work and the contract. And additionally, there would need to be
02:08:33.09	city attorney	Further analysis with regards to compliance with 4217 in order for the council to make the required findings required by statute.
02:08:40.21	Unknown	Thank you.
02:08:40.23	Unknown	Okay.
02:08:40.48	Unknown	Thank you.
02:08:40.72	Unknown	Thank you.
02:08:40.78	Unknown	Thank you.
02:08:43.75	Unknown	Any other questions?
02:08:46.15	Unknown	Let's have public comment then, Mr. City Clerk.
02:08:50.01	Unknown	If you're in the audience, you wish to make public comment, please fill out a form and give it to the city clerk.
02:08:50.44	Katie Thao Garcia	Mark Palmer?
02:09:01.03	Mark Palmer	Good evening, City Council. I'm Mark Palmer. I'm the chair of the Sausalito Sustainability Commission.
02:09:06.33	Samara Cox	Can you talk into the mic?
02:09:07.55	Mark Palmer	Sorry.
02:09:07.97	Samara Cox	Thank you.
02:09:08.03	Mark Palmer	Thank you.
02:09:08.44	Samara Cox	Thank you.
02:09:08.98	Mark Palmer	Good evening. I'm Mark Palmer, chair of the Sustainability Commission. As chair, I helped Katie draft the research
02:09:16.20	Mark Palmer	for proposals.
02:09:18.09	Mark Palmer	FOR THIS PROGRAM. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED SINCE THE INCEPTION. THIS INFRASTRUCTURE MODERNIZATION PROGRAM REPRESENTS A MAJOR STEP FORWARD IN IMPLEMENTING THE 2015 CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE 2019 LOW EMISSIONS ACTION PLAN,
02:09:34.95	Mark Palmer	the 2019, the 2021 Sausalito General Plan, and the City Strategic Plan. Throughout my career as a municipal green building specialist, I've administered numerous government code 4217 energy savings and renewable energy projects. The design build paid through energy savings is a well-established project delivery method where initial capital costs are paid back through lower energy bills. So Sausalito receives important and overdue upgrades to our municipal facilities, which then act as a hedge on future utility cost volatility, as demonstrated in the financial summary. As utility costs rise, so does the return of the city's investment.
02:10:21.17	Mark Palmer	Climate Tech has a ton of experience assisting municipalities like ours to save energy and money with zero savings shortfalls. I urge you to adopt this resolution to fund the base phase, and I look forward to future phases where we can bundle additional projects with positive financial, social, and environmental outcomes. Thank you.
02:10:43.28	Mary Sobieski	Next speaker is Hank Baker.
02:10:47.51	Mary Sobieski	And followed by Jeffrey Chase.
02:10:52.98	Hank Baker	Good evening. Hank Baker, EDAC, PBID, and Parking Committee. Besides running Ship and Mail, I've also been involved in substantial large communities that are awarded sustainability efforts and have gone through the exercise that has been gone through today.
02:11:16.56	Hank Baker	And Katie and the guys from Climatec and the staff and the Sustainability Committee should be congratulated on looking at what is a very, very complicated question.
02:11:25.47	Hank Baker	As a developer, though, I needed to take a look at whether it made economic sense to do these kinds of things. Everybody wants to be a smart city. Everybody wants to be an environmentalist. The question is at what cost? And in looking through what little I could get from what was public available, I had the questions that Councilman Cox brought up previously.
02:11:49.83	Hank Baker	Some of the readings I've done say that over the next 20 or 30 or 40 years,
02:11:54.78	Hank Baker	power costs are going to go down.
02:11:56.50	Hank Baker	Yes, historically, they've gone up over the last five or six years, but you can't just look at historical trends for what's going to happen in the future.
02:12:04.45	Hank Baker	I don't know exactly what that answer is, but the assumption of 5% to 10% is probably a little bit high. And if you go back to something that's less than that, what does the return on the investment look like?
02:12:15.94	Hank Baker	The investment that you're making is really a prepayment of power costs, of utility costs.
02:12:22.94	Hank Baker	Is that the best way to spend the city's limited dollars right now?
02:12:29.22	Hank Baker	You're seeing different tranches of sustainability. The controls that they're suggesting, the new HVC systems, well pay for themselves. They're great, great ideas. Things like tying the light fixture together, great idea. Solar begins another question. Solar heavily subsidized makes sense.
02:12:50.40	Hank Baker	But what is the return on the added tranche of solar?
02:12:55.22	Hank Baker	you
02:12:56.44	Mary Sobieski	Next speaker, Jeffrey Chase.
02:12:59.00	Hank Baker	Thank you.
02:12:59.04	Mary Sobieski	Mr. Chase.
02:12:59.65	Jeffrey Chase	Thank you.
02:13:07.14	Jeffrey Chase	Hello, Mr. Mayor.
02:13:09.75	Jeffrey Chase	Sorry about the confusion earlier. I feel that it's very important.
02:13:16.65	Jeffrey Chase	that we have an opportunity for free speech. It looks like everybody's sticking around at the end of the meeting. And I had written,
02:13:23.99	Jeffrey Chase	an actual speech that I was going to give. And so I, I didn't do that because, uh,
02:13:32.40	Jeffrey Chase	I have my own little
02:13:34.64	Jeffrey Chase	issues
02:13:36.01	Jeffrey Chase	to have to deal with.
02:13:38.19	Jeffrey Chase	especially
02:13:40.23	Jeffrey Chase	I,
02:13:41.11	Jeffrey Chase	I appreciate so much in Sausalito.
02:13:44.48	Jeffrey Chase	The people.
02:13:47.96	Jeffrey Chase	The waterfront, which of course none of us made. It was here.
02:13:55.72	Jeffrey Chase	But for this climate issue, I'll stick to the point, Ms. Cox.
02:14:00.66	Jeffrey Chase	that I believe in negawatts.
02:14:03.65	Jeffrey Chase	instead of megawatts.
02:14:06.40	Jeffrey Chase	And me and my friends are living this. We are the environmentalists of Sausalito.
02:14:13.94	Jeffrey Chase	And we're not we're only about 15 strong now.
02:14:18.20	Jeffrey Chase	almost gone. And I'm glad that a lot of people got apartments to live in. But of course, the apartments that they live in, they're using a lot more energy. Many of them use the money settlement that they got from the city to buy vehicles. And that's also gonna produce more carbon output.
02:14:38.75	Jeffrey Chase	So I think...
02:14:40.83	Jeffrey Chase	that this issue on an individual level
02:14:45.05	Jeffrey Chase	is as important as on a city level or on a corporate level or on a national level. We all can do something about this.
02:14:55.48	Jeffrey Chase	And I and I have done this. I don't take planes. I don't have a car. I have a butane stove. And I'm suggesting that not everybody do that. They don't have to. But they do it in their own way, Mr. Mayor. Thank you.
02:15:12.79	Mary Sobieski	Next speaker, next speaker, Synthes Egink and Alice Merrill.
02:15:27.32	Synthes Egink	Obviously, there is no lack of wisdom in contemplating the rebuilding of our infrastructure. We all know that.
02:15:34.19	Synthes Egink	And these people have authored
02:15:35.87	Synthes Egink	A lot of good advice. And the main thing they said is, we're about to have a change of our federal government and there's money being offered and it's got to be spent. So let's spend it wisely and let's do it immediately. Thank you.
02:15:48.92	Unknown	Thank you.
02:15:50.05	Mary Sobieski	Alice Merrill.
02:15:56.06	Alice Merrill	Hi. I have just a tiny comment. This is my sensibility at play. I heard that in the tenants, when we have tenants, they use their electricity and we pay it all, and then they pay us back what they used. And now if we have a different kind of electricity, they will pay.
02:16:19.12	Alice Merrill	They will pay us, we'll pay it all, and then they'll pay us more than what they use because, well, somehow that did come out in there that we would be making money.
02:16:30.30	Alice Merrill	off of their electricity.
02:16:32.39	Alice Merrill	And I don't agree with that.
02:16:34.28	Alice Merrill	I don't think cities should be making money off of the tenants.
02:16:38.24	Alice Merrill	I'm a tenant these days. I'll tell you, it's no picnic. People raise rents all the time.
02:16:43.78	Alice Merrill	And let's just be human. Thank you.
02:16:49.11	Alice Merrill	All right.
02:16:49.36	Eva	Thank you.
02:16:49.52	Mary Sobieski	online, we have Eva.
02:16:49.68	Eva	Yeah.
02:16:55.71	Eva	Thanks. I'd like to concur with the comments of Alice Merrill and Jeff Chase. Jeff does live a very austere lifestyle, but it's the sort of lifestyle that unfortunately most people should be living.
02:17:11.23	Eva	if there's serious
02:17:13.02	Eva	about reducing emissions and
02:17:17.19	Eva	trying to halt this gargantuan
02:17:22.24	Eva	climate disaster that we're facing.
02:17:25.24	Eva	And unfortunately, a lot of, you know, a lot of the commissions that come up with these plans are
02:17:29.78	Eva	You know, it's
02:17:31.81	Eva	It's window dressing for a disaster that is looming before us.
02:17:37.58	Eva	I wanna also point out
02:17:39.47	Eva	that right now
02:17:42.27	Eva	we are
02:17:43.40	Eva	watching
02:17:44.76	Eva	massive environmental destruction
02:17:48.22	Eva	in the Middle East because our tax money has been used to pay for weapons that are made here in the US.
02:17:58.82	Eva	And these are being dropped
02:18:01.15	Eva	an incredible number on Gaza, on innocent Palestinian civilians on Gaza. And this is resulting in an incredible level.
02:18:05.15	Unknown	innocent Palestinian.
02:18:07.26	Unknown	on Gaza, and this is resulting in an incredible...
02:18:12.20	Unknown	Thank you.
02:18:14.74	Mary Sobieski	Next speaker, Senator Bushmaker.
02:18:25.70	Sandra Bushmaker	of this proposal. But what I do understand is that...
02:18:28.62	Unknown	You got cut off at the beginning of your comments. Could you hit her clock and let her start over, please?
02:18:35.03	Unknown	All right. Go ahead.
02:18:36.54	Sandra Bushmaker	Hi, Sandra here, resident of Sausalito.
02:18:41.14	Sandra Bushmaker	I can't say that I completely
02:18:44.59	Sandra Bushmaker	understand all of the details in the report tonight but what I do understand
02:18:48.86	Sandra Bushmaker	And correct me if I'm wrong,
02:18:50.38	Sandra Bushmaker	that the city is obligating itself to spend $1.9 million
02:18:55.22	Sandra Bushmaker	with the possibility under the new administration coming in, that some of those funds will not be coming back to Sausalito. So I just want to be clear that,
02:19:05.04	Sandra Bushmaker	the Sausalito Council needs to really
02:19:08.70	Sandra Bushmaker	own that and realize that you are taking a risk. And I think the public needs to be made
02:19:13.70	Sandra Bushmaker	aware of that particular risk.
02:19:15.70	Sandra Bushmaker	Because given the incoming administration, I would not put it past that person to cut funds to California in particular.
02:19:24.44	Sandra Bushmaker	And then my other point that I wanted to raise, first of all, I'm glad to see we're doing some infrastructure upgrades and hopefully more energy efficient and less polluting upgrades with regard to the savings of three to seven million dollars.
02:19:40.51	Sandra Bushmaker	I would like to recommend that the city have some sort of tracking mechanism with report backs to the council so we can keep track of the savings. Rather than just having it announced at the front end as an estimate, I would like to see what the actual savings are.
02:19:56.95	Sandra Bushmaker	to the
02:19:58.55	Sandra Bushmaker	to the residents of Sausalito.
02:20:00.79	Sandra Bushmaker	with regard to this new project.
02:20:04.10	Sandra Bushmaker	That's all. Thank you.
02:20:07.27	Unknown	Okay, next speaker is Babette McDougall.
02:20:15.20	Babette McDougall	Thank you. I'd like to just back up. I don't disagree with anything that's being said by your
02:20:21.30	Babette McDougall	public comment speakers. However, I'd like to just throw the spotlight a little bit on two things.
02:20:27.15	Babette McDougall	As a resident living on a hillside that overlooks Richardson Bay,
02:20:31.49	Babette McDougall	Let me say that there is a great deal of Sausalito shoreline
02:20:35.05	Babette McDougall	immediately north of Galilee, for example, that by day looks absolutely charming. We can still see the shoreline. That's an asset. But when night falls, these, um,
02:20:51.13	Unknown	Are you still there, Ms. McDougal?
02:20:54.34	Unknown	I think.
02:20:55.98	Mary Sobieski	I think she's out.
02:20:59.55	Mary Sobieski	Thank you.
02:20:59.57	Unknown	Thank you.
02:20:59.59	Mary Sobieski	Yeah, she's not online anymore.
02:20:59.77	Unknown	Yeah.
02:20:59.96	Unknown	Thank you.
02:20:59.98	Unknown	Yeah.
02:21:00.04	Unknown	Thank you.
02:21:03.11	Unknown	Well, if she comes back, we can go back to her. Is there anyone else?
02:21:05.93	Mary Sobieski	No further public comment.
02:21:08.48	Unknown	We'll close the public comment except for her. If she comes back, we can take her public comment in the next five minutes. But otherwise, we'll go to discussion. Yes, Vice Mayor?
02:21:19.09	Samara Cox	I wanted to follow up with Tyler on a question from, um,
02:21:24.92	Samara Cox	one of our speakers about, oh, from Sandra Bushmaker, about tracking our savings.
02:21:31.53	Samara Cox	Is there a plan by Climate Tech to actually track savings realized? Yes.
02:21:36.88	Tyler Gertman	So typically what we do with these projects, just because even the number that I shared with you, 122%, is as we're going through the implementation, we track the savings. And then when we get to the end, we start looking at production and we can provide an update to council closer to the end of the project, or even a few months
02:21:56.29	Tyler Gertman	into the production of the solar, because that's where a huge chunk of the savings will come from.
02:22:01.48	Samara Cox	And as part of commissioning, can you turn over to staff the ability to continue to track savings over time, since that's obviously part of what we're
02:22:07.27	Tyler Gertman	Sure.
02:22:08.40	Tyler Gertman	Yes.
02:22:11.37	Samara Cox	endorsing should we approve this under the government code?
02:22:15.86	Tyler Gertman	The key thing in these projects is also to provide training for any new technologies like the building automation systems, anything with the lighting, any of the Wi-Fi pieces, etc. So all of that is provided because the best is to have Kevin Ali and the team be able to operate these systems and to monitor them on their own versus paying a consultant to do it for you.
02:22:39.00	Unknown	because I had a question too, but if you don't mind staying there, I just had a first for the city attorney. Sergio, are you still on?
02:22:45.75	Director Hess	Thank you.
02:22:46.03	Unknown	Thank you.
02:22:46.66	Unknown	Thank you.
02:22:46.69	Director Hess	you
02:22:46.86	Unknown	Yes.
02:22:47.38	Unknown	Yeah, so again, back to this question of the lease, we just completed new leases for two of our largest tenants at MLK. So if we implement this program over the next two years, let's say we'll get the solar installed three years from now, we're going to start providing them power from a solar grid.
02:23:05.64	Unknown	uh,
02:23:07.11	Unknown	Do is there a way with the existing lease to
02:23:10.13	Unknown	Have them pay us or do we have to get their consent to change the terms of lease?
02:23:14.57	city attorney	I do not have those leases directly in front of me, so I would have to look into that particular question and get back to you, unfortunately.
02:23:23.63	city attorney	See.
02:23:24.20	city attorney	Okay.
02:23:25.47	city attorney	But if the current leases do provide that we...
02:23:28.31	city attorney	you know, that the
02:23:30.55	city attorney	the city pays for utilities, then yeah, we would need to probably negotiate a lease modification.
02:23:36.71	Unknown	Yeah. And failing a successful lease renegotiation with those tenants, we may not be able to recover that cost.
02:23:46.83	city attorney	I would expect, yeah, that that is a potential risk.
02:23:51.16	Unknown	Thank you.
02:23:51.17	city attorney	Okay.
02:23:52.30	Unknown	Just a question then for you, sir. Thanks. So I understand this is a design build, which means we have to take it or leave it at the $1.9 million price. But there's been a lot of work for all the constituent elements. And my question is, if we decided to...
02:24:07.08	Unknown	Instead, if we said no today and wanted to break it up, is there any way to
02:24:11.98	Unknown	to use the work that's already been done
02:24:14.41	Unknown	to fast track say solar installation at the police department and ev chargers uh and
02:24:21.60	Unknown	other the mesh network and the and the hvac at city hall at the old city hall but not let's say do the solar at mlk
02:24:29.26	Tyler Gertman	It's a question worth asking.
02:24:31.37	Tyler Gertman	but there isn't a fast track way to do that. You would have to hire an engineer like you typically are doing now and then put that out to bid.
02:24:39.77	Tyler Gertman	due to public procurement code or however you want to do that, then go back into the design, build, piecemeal way of doing projects, which you've done for years. It would be right back into that avenue.
02:24:52.41	Unknown	Okay.
02:24:53.36	Tyler Gertman	Instead of selling in case I'm
02:24:54.98	Unknown	just clearly zeroing on this issue of the tenant reimbursement because we just renegotiated leases and that's always, as you reopen it, other terms tend to change too. Suddenly it's not just the one term. So is it possible to sell power back to the grid?
02:24:55.77	Tyler Gertman	Yeah.
02:24:57.73	Tyler Gertman	the tenant reimbursement because we just
02:25:03.72	Katie Thao Garcia	Thank you.
02:25:03.77	Unknown	Kite.
02:25:03.97	Katie Thao Garcia	and he's not just
02:25:09.52	Tyler Gertman	You are giving it to the test. As part of this calculation,
02:25:12.85	Tyler Gertman	you are selling power back to the grid. It is a very complicated equation. It's an 8760, which is the hours in the year. PG&E is a different dollar per KWH that they purchased that power on each hour of the entire year, and that shifts and fluctuates. That's all part of the algorithm and the calculation right now in terms of it.
02:25:32.41	Tyler Gertman	So you'd be selling it back to them. So you would be getting that benefit depending on that exact hour of the production of the solar PV. So you would be seeing some savings of it.
02:25:41.52	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:25:41.77	Tyler Gertman	Um,
02:25:42.88	Tyler Gertman	So I think the answer is yes to that. I need to think through that a little bit more in terms of that specific element. It's a very complex equation, and that's why we simplified it to the 26 cents per kwh.
02:25:52.77	Tyler Gertman	Thank you.
02:25:53.21	Tyler Gertman	which is practically speaking
02:25:54.97	Unknown	if we have this install at MLK, we could possibly, and we could not agree with our tenants where they would agree to changing their lease term to accommodate this. It's at least theoretically possible that we could sell it back. They could keep paying PG&E in their current system, but we just put the power, the kilowatt hours we generate,
02:26:13.43	Tyler Gertman	The thing is your PG&E, your PG&E. So this is not a for-profit thing to a comment before. This isn't a above and beyond their bills, a hundred bucks, you're charging them 200 bucks. I wanna make sure we're clear there.
02:26:23.98	Unknown	Yeah.
02:26:24.30	Tyler Gertman	This is about even savings just in general and having to be produced by renewable energy. So
02:26:29.83	Tyler Gertman	In that situation, the PG&E bill will be far lower, and you will be passing along the savings to the tenant. So essentially, you would want to renegotiate the overall savings.
02:26:41.98	Tyler Gertman	cost of use of the facility to capture that payment because
02:26:46.42	Tyler Gertman	If you're if you're reducing it by, let's say the bill is 500 a month, goes down to 100 dollars and you're passing through the PG&E expenses for 100 dollars, then they say 400 bucks. The city wouldn't in that scenario. So that is something to consider and possibly discuss with Sergio in terms of those leases.
02:27:02.87	Unknown	Yeah, we just renegotiated those leases, so they'd have to agree.
02:27:06.47	Unknown	that.
02:27:07.34	Unknown	Okay, I don't have any other questions.
02:27:09.25	Samara Cox	I had one other question. Tyler, we approved your contract about a year ago.
02:27:17.49	Samara Cox	And it was a zero-sum contract. So we haven't authorized you to spend any money yet.
02:27:23.00	Samara Cox	What cost has your firm incurred in putting together, in performing all of these surveys and putting together this proposal and working with staff to design and refine the proposal that has ended up before us tonight?
02:27:37.21	Tyler Gertman	And the alignment discussions and all that. Yeah, exactly. We're well- And our-
02:27:40.81	Samara Cox	And hours of discussions with each of us offline.
02:27:44.89	Tyler Gertman	We've, we've, this is our business model. We spent over a hundred thousand dollars on this project alone on developing this project to this point. And we've also investigated above and beyond certain measures that,
02:27:54.83	Tyler Gertman	wouldn't typically be part of this either. So we've, yes, we're over $100,000 right now.
02:28:01.11	Samara Cox	Thank you for that. The city is very appreciative.
02:28:05.24	Unknown	Any other?
02:28:08.40	Unknown	We need to hear from Ms. McDougall. So she's allowed since she was mid-speech. Can you just reset her clock? Ms. McDougall, you can start over and have two minutes.
02:28:18.94	Babette McDougall	Gosh, you're very kind. I hope you can hear me all right.
02:28:21.53	Unknown	We can go right ahead.
02:28:22.39	Babette McDougall	Glory of local power failures. All right. So I just wanted to address the issue of what it's like to live in Sausalito with LED lights. For those of us who live on hillsides with views of our shoreline.
02:28:35.38	Babette McDougall	As I had said before, I was so rudely interrupted,
02:28:39.53	Babette McDougall	during the day
02:28:41.96	Babette McDougall	I ask people, I invite them to look and they say, it's spectacular. It's beautiful. How could anyone possibly complain? And then as night falls,
02:28:50.43	Babette McDougall	It's like saying, oh, my God, we look like the port of Newark, New Jersey when the lights come on at night.
02:28:55.93	Babette McDougall	because of these industrial looking lights.
02:28:59.17	Babette McDougall	And I happen to have family members that live in newer communities that all rely on LED lights just as are gradually being changed here in Sausalito. I have one that blasts through my windows because it's smack up against my house that PG&E put in last summer. So lucky me, I get to live in this kind of strange place.
02:29:19.98	Babette McDougall	out of, you know, strange light that it creates. And so I'm just asking us to wonder out loud since our whole town, which I'm totally in favor of,
02:29:28.18	Babette McDougall	So don't get me wrong.
02:29:29.55	Babette McDougall	I'm just saying it is such an expensive thing to move into.
02:29:33.04	Babette McDougall	At what point can we say, how does it make a community
02:29:37.50	Babette McDougall	like,
02:29:38.16	Babette McDougall	seem better instead of more creepy. I don't know anybody that enjoys these lights at nighttime.
02:29:43.44	Babette McDougall	Other than the efficiency value,
02:29:45.36	Babette McDougall	which in our lifetime we'll never see.
02:29:48.20	Babette McDougall	because the way of energy...
02:29:50.36	Babette McDougall	and its future down the next 10 years at least. We know that we're going to be using it for data farms and other things before it ever comes back to bless us as residents. So I just want to say we probably can do better as we go forward. And since we've managed to stay a wee bit ahead,
02:30:06.20	Babette McDougall	and so many other ways of the tide of this movement.
02:30:09.83	Babette McDougall	I would love to see us become more innovative in how the town looks by evening.
02:30:14.86	Babette McDougall	Thank you so much for allowing me to come back and say this to you.
02:30:20.56	Unknown	Thank you. All right. Any other discussion?
02:30:24.02	Unknown	Here on the dice.
02:30:25.94	Unknown	and I'm not sure.
02:30:25.98	city attorney	And Mayor, I did want to.
02:30:27.43	Samara Cox	I'm ready for discussion. Yeah.
02:30:30.22	Unknown	Thank you.
02:30:30.28	Samara Cox	I'm not sure.
02:30:30.38	Unknown	Joe?
02:30:30.53	Samara Cox	Thank you.
02:30:30.55	Unknown	Thank you.
02:30:31.28	city attorney	I wanted to try to answer your earlier questions about utilities under our large leases under the
02:30:38.99	city attorney	for the MLK property, for the lease a France lease,
02:30:43.31	city attorney	basically the lease provides that the tenant is entitled to install meters and then just be billed directly the cost of utility services. If they are not, then they are liable to be billed by the city for their pro rata share of utilities. So I'm not aware of whether or not the property there is metered.
02:31:02.77	city attorney	for the New Village Schoolies.
02:31:06.46	city attorney	Basically, a certain amount of utilities are included in the base rent. So to the extent the city has some cost savings, that would be legitimate savings. Additionally, that lease provides that upon occupancy of certain additional indoor premises, the tenant is supposed to pay 10 cents per square foot.
02:31:26.86	city attorney	in additional utility costs. So again, if there is some savings for the city, then this project would provide some benefit there financially.
02:31:34.96	Unknown	Thank you. Always superlative in being able to pull all that up. Can you elaborate? I didn't quite follow what you meant on the Lise France 8. It's up to them to get a meter or not?
02:31:43.98	city attorney	Yes, they are entitled at their own cost to install a meter, in which case they will be billed directly the cost of services provided. Now, perhaps Climatec can further clarify whether or not the city would be entitled to pass through
02:31:58.56	city attorney	the actual cost of providing those utilities, because presumably we will have some on-bill financing for this project. And I'm wondering if that would also be passed through the detentant or not.
02:32:07.89	Katie Thao Garcia	Yeah.
02:32:09.54	city attorney	I'm not aware of what the situation is with that.
02:32:15.13	Unknown	Do you want to come to the podium and participate in that Q&A?
02:32:22.47	Tyler Gertman	So based, Sergio, based on the information that you just provided for that one tenant lease, the utilities would be passed on to them for their payment and the bill financing charge because they will be benefiting from the LED lighting for that portion of it.
02:32:39.11	Samara Cox	Well, but the lease says they're entitled to install a meter, in which case they'd be billed directly by PG&E. If they do that. But otherwise, we're entitled to share them
02:32:49.37	Samara Cox	to bill them their pro rata share.
02:32:53.84	Samara Cox	AND SOME OF THEM.
02:32:53.92	Tyler Gertman	Okay.
02:32:54.11	Samara Cox	So.
02:32:54.56	Kathy Nikitas	Thank you.
02:32:55.46	Tyler Gertman	They do not have an installed meter there right now. Right. So it is the second option in terms of that.
02:32:57.45	Alice Merrill	Right.
02:33:04.03	Tyler Gertman	That's all I can comment on.
02:33:09.02	Unknown	So discussion here from the dice. Who wants to start?
02:33:12.26	Unknown	or who has something to say.
02:33:15.91	Council Member Blaustein	I'll start since I have been engaging with climate tech very much since the beginning and as well as with the sustainability commission.
02:33:16.16	Unknown	Councilmember Blaston.
02:33:24.68	Council Member Blaustein	This is something that actually Mark and I worked on a long time ago because it's a big passion of his as a leader in green buildings and HVAC generally, and we're very lucky to have you
02:33:34.47	Council Member Blaustein	on the sustainability commission doing that work and to have Katie here to put all of this time and effort into this. And for me, this is a real win-win opportunity for us because we're dealing with the issue we've been hearing about and have deemed one of our most significant problems, which is infrastructure, as well as addressing our climate action goals. And I think hearing from Katie how critical this work is to meeting our climate action goals, to meeting our low emissions action plan,
02:34:00.70	Council Member Blaustein	and having the opportunity to do that.
02:34:02.49	Council Member Blaustein	while improving our infrastructure and doing things that will make
02:34:05.93	Council Member Blaustein	basic level of service to our residents improved. It's really important. I do wanna say, I think,
02:34:13.35	Council Member Blaustein	Being consistent and thoughtful about how we allocate these funds and from which funds they come from and thinking about what that looks like in the long term and checking in on our savings will be critical because it is not a small amount of money, but you do have to make investments in order to see results and to see savings. And I believe that we will see significant savings with this. And I really, on a deeper level, when I think about the values that are really important for us, something we can always find common ground on from the diocese, really thinking about,
02:34:47.03	Council Member Blaustein	resilience lens and climate lens and how do we do a better job of preparing our community and i think we all are really committed to
02:34:54.33	Council Member Blaustein	climate change adjustments into doing everything we can in our part. We have from this dais declared a climate emergency.
02:35:00.59	Council Member Blaustein	We have committed to looking at things, whether it's for our grant proposals to get us more funding from a climate lens or just from thinking about how we prepare ourselves for the next few decades as a community. So given that we are all committed to mitigating climate change and have made an emphasis on climate change in general, I really want to encourage us to move forward and approve this contract, keeping in mind that we will continue these conversations with Climatec
02:35:28.73	Council Member Blaustein	in that they have committed to us that as new funds become available as new opportunities become available as we want to apply for things like micro grids or portable virtual power plants they'll help us in that and knowing that since we're no longer working with california consulting for example they can be our partner in thinking about how we prepare effective grants going forward i think that there will be continued opportunity for revenue generation i will say i would have liked to have seen more of new city hall in our additional planning i understand from a budget perspective why it wasn't but i'd like us to think bigger about how do we do that as we approach phase two but would really like to encourage my colleagues on the dais to think about our bigger picture values as a community and how we've all said we are really committed to doing everything we can to address climate change and our sustainability and resiliency manager has told us that this is a critical step we can take and we can see cost savings.
02:36:25.00	Unknown	Thank you. Who wants to go next? Goodbye, Samir.
02:36:29.65	Samara Cox	Um,
02:36:30.97	Samara Cox	Thank you.
02:36:31.12	Samara Cox	I want to say, well, first of all, I really appreciate the work that's been done by Climate Tech.
02:36:36.28	Samara Cox	on their dime, and it's really extensive and thoughtful work, as well as Katie Tho Garcia.
02:36:46.58	Samara Cox	I also really appreciate the really challenging and thoughtful questions from my fellow council members, as well as comments from Hank Baker and other members of our community.
02:36:57.48	Samara Cox	With respect to some of the specifics, I believe a 30% return on the solar investment justifies the risk of potential inaccuracies in the projections regarding future energy usage. I am concerned about the
02:37:13.97	Samara Cox	initial cost to the city of undertaking
02:37:17.73	Samara Cox	these proposed measures without yet fully understanding all of our infrastructure and facility needs.
02:37:24.72	Samara Cox	I work with other cities who are similarly challenged with figuring out how best to invest their scarce dollars into technologies that are continuing to evolve.
02:37:35.85	Samara Cox	Evolved.
02:37:37.52	Samara Cox	However, I endorse the comments of fellow council members and of Ava Krasanth about the need to embrace solutions to burgeoning climate change, including the need to reduce our carbon footprint and meeting our sustainability goals. And so I'm in favor of this proposal. I appreciate the sources and uses table that allocates where the monies will come from up front before they are reimbursed. Some of them are reimbursed. I endorse the recommendation of Sandra Bushmaker that we include a tracking mechanism for savings and request that we memorialize Climatex's commitment to provide training to our staff regarding how to track savings on an ongoing basis. And those are my preliminary thoughts. Thank you.
02:38:30.82	Unknown	Who's next?
02:38:35.37	Unknown	Councilmember Huffman.
02:38:39.89	Councilmember Hoffman	So I obviously think that investment in infrastructure is one of the highest priorities that we have, although I'm not completely sold that all of the things that we've identified in here is within the definition of the highest priority of infrastructure investment that we should be focusing on. And so this is why, you know, prioritization is so important with regard to investment dollars and our limited city budget. And,
02:39:13.48	Councilmember Hoffman	And so when you look down through some of the...
02:39:18.25	Councilmember Hoffman	You know, and let me just say, first of all, I really appreciate all the work that Climatec has done. I mean, it's just tremendous amount of.
02:39:25.35	Councilmember Hoffman	putting the pieces of this puzzle together along with our city staff and Katie and, and, um,
02:39:31.89	Councilmember Hoffman	and, um,
02:39:33.59	Councilmember Hoffman	Sergio and everybody else on the staff.
02:39:36.09	Councilmember Hoffman	I don't mean any of this to be a criticism,
02:39:38.72	Councilmember Hoffman	But this is just the lens through which I'm looking at this.
02:39:41.99	Councilmember Hoffman	as we sit here today at the city council meeting, looking at this for an hour and a half. So, and that's just not to say that I'm a no tonight. It's just, I think that we really need to understand and know
02:39:56.89	Councilmember Hoffman	what the highest priority and failure points are for our current infrastructure, meaning our streets and our hillsides and our
02:40:05.57	Councilmember Hoffman	in our, uh,
02:40:06.92	Councilmember Hoffman	Shoreline.
02:40:07.91	Councilmember Hoffman	And until we have that, and until we have our facilities assessment, meaning how much is the, you know, what is the most critical information?
02:40:20.55	Councilmember Hoffman	what is the most critical repairs that we're going to need to make to all of the buildings that the city currently owns and leases? We don't have that yet. And so we're making decisions now with regard to our budget that we've made, you know, over the past month and a half without knowing that. And so I think that we need to know that before we make these decisions. And so part of this, you know, I'm concerned about the MLK complex. That's the highest spend of $986,000.
02:40:56.24	Councilmember Hoffman	I think the majority of that is on infrastructure, not infrastructure, but
02:41:02.47	Councilmember Hoffman	building automation, lighting upgrades to LED,
02:41:05.56	Councilmember Hoffman	and to add solar that we're not necessarily going to be able to recoup from
02:41:10.66	Councilmember Hoffman	the rents and we need the rents from the MLK facility to pay other loan structures that we have from that facility. So, you know, we've leveraged income from that facility against other payments that we need to make. And so we need to understand and know how
02:41:32.47	Councilmember Hoffman	leveraging that and this spend and the concern that I have
02:41:39.55	Councilmember Hoffman	going to the mayor's questions of can we recoup the investment
02:41:44.07	Councilmember Hoffman	from our renters and it doesn't seem like that we will be able to do that so that you know and same thing with the other investments although the investments in some of the other facilities are much smaller although it does look like from the funding you know from the funding aspects of it that those can be more easily tied to the funds right the funds, right? So, you know, the parking fund, uh, the old city hall fund, um,
02:42:16.35	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, the general fund, obviously that's coming straight out of the general fund. So those are my concerns with the funding structure.
02:42:23.74	Councilmember Hoffman	You know, I'm not as happy about $700,000 over the first five years over, you know, from a $1.9 million spend. I'm not as excited about that.
02:42:41.05	Councilmember Hoffman	You know, $3 million to $7 million over 30 years. You know, that's to me more risky because you don't know what's going to happen with equipment. You don't know what cost of energy is going to be, as Mr. Baker said. And so these things get more speculative the further out you get. I think we all know we just had a discussion a few weeks ago about—
02:43:02.92	Councilmember Hoffman	how technology moves so fast and changes so fast we were talking about
02:43:07.67	Councilmember Hoffman	I think some technology we were looking to invest in
02:43:11.06	Councilmember Hoffman	Um,
02:43:12.07	Councilmember Hoffman	for the city, for City Hall and
02:43:15.11	Councilmember Hoffman	whether or not that investment over time was going to pay off. And so, and we needed some more information. And so to me, that's my concern. And that's my reservations about moving forward on this and especially the big spend at MLK. So those are my thoughts and happy to listen to everybody else.
02:43:37.01	Unknown	Go ahead, Councilor Cummins.
02:43:38.24	Kellen	Sure.
02:43:38.80	Kellen	Yeah, this has been a great conversation. And I think my colleagues made really, truly excellent points. Huge thank you to Tyler and team and Katie. This is so long overdue. I said at the last meeting that I only wanted to focus on resilience and roads. So you got one of the two. But I'll count roads because of EV chargers. So I think.
02:44:00.86	Kellen	I hold the same concerns that Council Member Hoffman does and I think the mayor does around the structure of the financing, but I also think that this is the time to go to IRA funds as quickly as possible. Like if we approve this tonight, I want a very aggressive schedule to start applying for those grants. I think IRA monies will still flow into California.
02:44:23.89	Kellen	But, oh, sorry, excuse me, I got hit in the face with basketball today, and it's giving me a bloody nose, so.
02:44:28.14	Kellen	Too much information. Give me a second.
02:44:32.82	Unknown	You're on your roll.
02:44:38.35	Unknown	Okay.
02:44:40.63	Unknown	Well, we could take a minute break. Why don't you take a two-minute break, actually, and kind of on the edge of your seats. We'll be back in three minutes.
02:44:56.16	Unknown	We are back in session. I'm ready.
02:44:57.83	Kellen	I'm ready. Take it where you're left at. Okay. So I think there's a lot of good reasons to approve it now. Over to the...
02:45:03.12	Kellen	Mayor.
02:45:04.04	Kellen	Great.
02:45:05.32	Kellen	I mean, I could run through LED and how it sells itself, or I could run through, I don't know, the NEM program and how energy metering means we can sell the solar back. I can run through how there's lots of IRA monies. I could run through how MLK has had no improvements since I've been on council, and it's a property we like to rent out, and I think this will increase that. I could run through all that, but I think you've said it already, so thank you.
02:45:31.73	Unknown	So we can indulge in just the discussion for a second, because I know you two have been leaders on this subject, and it's been a lot of work in addition to them. So kudos to both of you for your leadership on this.
02:45:43.90	Unknown	And taking a page from my own book, I'm not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good and the enemy of progress, still,
02:45:50.98	Unknown	in your perfect world, why, I know we can't with climate tech, but help me understand why it is we couldn't break this up
02:45:57.58	Unknown	and not here tonight, but immediately agree, like at the, you know, to put on the next agenda's meeting, RFQs for the pieces of it that we like and the expanded pieces like the battery storage and other things that we've talked about wanting more of. I'll answer that.
02:46:15.28	Council Member Blaustein	I'll answer that. Okay. I'll answer it after you. You go first. Okay. I'd love to have that.
02:46:15.97	Samara Cox	Thank you.
02:46:17.66	Unknown	Okay.
02:46:18.17	Samara Cox	I'd love to have that. This is a design-build approach where we are paying upfront for design, build, and commissioning of this system all under one roof, which means we are getting a lump sum today for those costs of the entire project. If we go out separately to bid, we will not realize the economies of scale that we are accomplishing through aggregating these projects under one firm.
02:46:47.41	Samara Cox	and aggregating the design and construction activities under one contract.
02:46:52.86	Council Member Blaustein	I can add on to that as well. Not to mention, we don't know if we will qualify for the 4217 funding, which is really necessary to recoup.
02:47:01.32	Council Member Blaustein	the cost savings as mentioned by climate tech and
02:47:04.39	Council Member Blaustein	We don't have the time given what we're up against with what might potentially happen.
02:47:08.15	Council Member Blaustein	around the funding for the infrastructure, the Inflation Reduction Act. So we risk losing the $265,000. We risk losing the $3 million to $7 million in cost savings. And while I hear your concern, we can absolutely immediately put out an RFQ for things right now, like the City Hall, if that's something that interests you, or the microgrid, or we can work with Climatec on that. But given the timeline and the year of work that Climatec basically did for us us essentially for free to do extensive facilities assessments and put together this proposal. I would really urge you to help us move forward with it tonight.
02:47:44.72	Councilmember Hoffman	So what is, I understand the urgency around the funding, but as I understand it, there's no way to turn this off if we don't get the funding and there's no guarantee, even if we approve it tonight, that we're going to get the funding. So the risk is that if we approve it tonight and we do everything perfectly, we still may not get the funding. So as I understand it, I believe that's what Tyler said. Maybe I'm wrong.
02:48:12.36	Samara Cox	I think what he said is that the funding that is at risk for the state of California is a different pot of funding than the funding that we will be seeking remuneration from.
02:48:22.47	Unknown	Thank you.
02:48:23.31	Tyler Gertman	No, that's very good point, Vice Mayor Cox, in terms of that. As of now, there's no information that the IRA money is going to go away.
02:48:32.36	Tyler Gertman	I don't have a crystal ball to know that. That is a portion of the funding reimbursement. It's not the entire funding plan.
02:48:39.23	Tyler Gertman	That is $265,000, so it is significant. And I don't know what's going to happen in the future, but just looking at what happened in 2016 with some of the other renewable bills, grandfathering was considered on those, and that's the only advice that I can give on that. But I think you're right that you've got to consider that risk piece there.
02:48:58.16	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay. So, I mean, I understand that we want to move forward to get funding, but, you know, there's no guarantee, but there's also, if there was a way to move forward, but say, okay, if we don't get the funding, what's the off ramp?
02:49:05.58	Council Member Blaustein	I-
02:49:13.35	Council Member Blaustein	I don't understand what the, I mean, this is coming from people who have consistently, we've all said we're actively in favor of approaching every problem we have with the climate lens. They've done that for a year for us. We have the opportunity here to take advantage of a cost savings measure with a climate lens, immediately save funding on things like lighting and infrastructure for our streets that people have been asking us for. And it's directly in line with our back to basics approach. So, and I think we have enough support from the dais to move forward. So I'm gonna go ahead and make a motion at this time to approve the Arbentech contract.
02:49:43.06	Sharna	I'm not sure.
02:49:43.32	Mary Sobieski	Thank you.
02:49:44.58	Mary Sobieski	You said interject, sorry. I think at the meeting, we never said to open the public hearing, there's a public hearing item, and I'm sorry for not catching that. Do we need to, I'll ask the city attorney if we need to do something to make sure.
02:49:57.56	Unknown	City Attorney, City Clerk is asking a procedural question.
02:50:01.66	Mary Sobieski	Thank you.
02:50:02.81	Unknown	Thank you.
02:50:03.75	city attorney	As a practical matter,
02:50:06.49	city attorney	The only thing that we would do different for conducting the public hearing than that we've already done is we would acknowledge that we were opening the public hearing and then close the public hearing before council deliberation. So I think we've substantially complied with those requirements.
02:50:20.86	Unknown	Thank you for bringing it up to Mr. City Clerk.
02:50:22.52	Samara Cox	I think that's...
02:50:23.31	Samara Cox	I can.
02:50:23.50	Samara Cox	Can we just memorialize that we indeed have opened and now closed the public hearing and have conducted the public hearing that we gave notice of?
02:50:35.60	Council Member Blaustein	So I will again, because I think it would be irresponsible for us to not move forward on an obvious proposal that addresses climate action and that we've all said from this dais that we are in a climate emergency. I'm going to make a motion to go ahead and approve the climate tech contract tonight and hope that I get a second from one of my colleagues.
02:50:51.20	Kellen	Let me give you the second, but I'd also like the opportunity to make the business case for this. As much as I think for every infrastructure project we've looked at the last four years, but certainly over the last year, we have had a refrain of this will lead to more revenue. Every single time we made dollar allocations, this will increase sales tax. This will mean we'll have more individuals come to town. And so I want to apply that same lens and analysis here. So keeping the police department slightly separate, given that it's a public safety opportunity, the MLK complex, as far as I know, has not seen an infrastructure upgrade there, as far as I can remember. And I was on the planning commission for 10 years. And here we're looking to upgrade the lighting to LED, add solar, provide an opportunity to actually reduce light pollution, have cost savings. LED lights last longer. It's safer at night. There's all sorts of reasons why people would then go use the MLK complex more given those upgrades. Old City Hall, we know we have leaks and issues there. We're looking at improving the HVAC and building automation that will help us better maintain that property from which we get substantial city rents through that lease. Citywide streetlights, Old Bank of America, citywide parks, all of that is for me the same analysis of any type of business improvement district or any improvements made to the downtown in terms of increasing sort of the usability, the viability, as well as the public safety. And again, LED lights last on an average 15 to 20 years or regular lights are three to five years. And there's all sorts of cost savings associated with that. So we're thinking about a downtown where the idea of having an out street light is probably going to be much more rare. And there's nothing that makes a downtown look vacant than streetlights that are out. And then finally, a private Wi-Fi mesh network system would allow people to do all sorts of things downtown, not just actually pay for parking, but to be able to experience downtown in a manner that I think most people are used to, which is through connectivity. I don't love the upfront cost structure like you've articulated, Council Member Hoffman, and I don't know that I would have made a decision to eliminate certain things or maybe I would have pursued the microgrid. And we had this conversation with Tyler, but I think it is aligned. I'll also point out that in our general plan update, which I worked very hard on, the very first paragraph says that in a mission statement Cal Sausalito intends to be a climate leader and so I think the theme that we've been having is if we really mean these things we've got to go and do it and we have to spend money to make it happen and I think all these will have a return on investment much like many of the other infrastructure projects were argued for over the last couple years.
02:53:34.08	Council Member Blaustein	With that, I'm going to call the question, because that was awesome.
02:53:37.96	Councilmember Hoffman	Can I follow up on that for just a second?
02:53:39.75	Council Member Blaustein	I think I called the question because we have a first and a second.
02:53:41.76	Unknown	I think we're allowed to have a little discussion on the motion.
02:53:42.55	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
02:53:43.18	Council Member Blaustein	Well,
02:53:43.30	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
02:53:43.42	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
02:53:43.47	Councilmember Hoffman	Oh, my gosh.
02:53:43.62	Council Member Blaustein	Thank you.
02:53:43.63	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
02:53:45.59	Unknown	I'll just allow discussion on it. Go ahead, Kazma Rath.
02:53:49.25	Councilmember Hoffman	So...
02:53:50.75	Councilmember Hoffman	Let me just follow up on this. I'm not really sure just based on our prior discussion
02:53:56.86	Councilmember Hoffman	And we're talking about the fiscal impact. In our prior discussion on the last item that we were talking about, use of tidelands funds. Because I see in table two, source of funding from the city budget, there's a tidelands funds line on here. And I'm wondering if we can agree not to use tidelands funds. I don't see how any of these projects would align with Tidelands uses. And so I don't know if I need to do a friendly amendment or if we should just agree that
02:54:38.87	Councilmember Hoffman	Thailand's funds are going to be used for Thailand's.
02:54:41.30	Councilmember Hoffman	the definition of what kind of object.
02:54:42.48	Council Member Blaustein	or the city attorney who can talk to the respective whether or not we can use the Thailand funds for this.
02:54:49.04	Unknown	Could we ask Chad and or Sergio about this question? There's a question about the appropriateness of using tidelands funds as a source of funding for this.
02:54:57.61	Unknown	Yep.
02:54:58.76	Unknown	So the improvements to the parks,
02:55:00.45	Unknown	is what is
02:55:01.43	Unknown	represents that 17,000. We have light improvements in the parks that are within the tideland zone.
02:55:06.52	Unknown	If you'd like to shift that spending, the general fund that certainly could be done.
02:55:12.23	Councilmember Hoffman	I just...
02:55:14.32	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, I know.
02:55:15.20	city attorney	And given the clarification that
02:55:17.92	city attorney	We just got from the finance director about how the Tide Lens funding would be used and that it would be used for improvement of a city park. I would argue that that likely fits the statutory purpose of the statutory grant, which doesn't indicate that we are to be using the Tide Lens for public recreation purposes and also are to use the Tide Lens for the construction of public parks.
02:55:43.94	Councilmember Hoffman	Where? Oh, OK, I got you.
02:55:45.81	Councilmember Hoffman	So you're talking about the lighting upgrades to LED for the citywide parks?
02:55:50.47	Kellen	Probably the private Wi-Fi mesh too, right? Since that's what we just said was OK.
02:55:50.72	Unknown	Correct.
02:55:53.28	Unknown	Yeah.
02:55:55.19	Unknown	That's being paid out of the parking fund.
02:55:58.04	Kellen	Okay.
02:55:58.19	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
02:55:58.23	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
02:55:58.26	Kellen	Thank you.
02:56:00.59	Unknown	So thank you for that, Councilman Rekollin.
02:56:05.67	Unknown	So I hear there are three votes for this, and I also am supportive of all the overall goals. In the ideal world, I would love to have broken this up into its pieces, because it seems like we could do a lot of the resiliency efforts and even do more of them if we moved the money around. But that's not what's on the agenda today. Today's this particular contract, and it's just a recurring theme of always needing to keep moving forward so i am going to support this also in the spirit of keeping moving forward uh you know i hope we'll uh that's the spirit we brought to a lot of the questions here in front of the council i think it's an era of looking at making the pie bigger finding the resources to solve our problems. It's going to be a continuing theme. I am worried about the council. I think it's an era of looking at making the pie bigger, finding the resources to solve our problems. It's going to be a continuing theme. I am worried about the things that I brought up.
02:56:57.88	Unknown	But I also feel like this is where we're at, and this is a step forward. So I'm going to support the majority and vote in favor of this.
02:57:05.88	Councilmember Hoffman	and if I could add to you.
02:57:07.28	Unknown	God bless.
02:57:07.45	Councilmember Hoffman	I'm going to vote in favor of it as well for the same reasons, but I will ask that before we vote on any more infrastructure issues, that we have our facilities assessment. And I think that we have to have that before we vote on any more issues that pertain to any facilities or any infrastructure issues. We have to have the prioritization of our infrastructure projects, and we have to understand and know what our infrastructure is going to cost us. For instance, we're replacing HVAC and building automation in Old City Hall. We may get the facilities assessment where we have to replace all of the siding for Old City Hall, which is a higher priority, or MLK, all the foundation may need to be replaced. And we just don't know that. And so allocating a million dollars for MLK for solar may not be the highest priority in the context of what the facilities assessment may come back. So anyway, but I will support this and I'll vote for it. So, let's go.
02:58:09.36	Unknown	So the question was called,
02:58:11.36	Unknown	Any other comments? All right. Then all in favor, say aye.
02:58:14.29	Councilmember Hoffman	Bye.
02:58:15.29	Unknown	Opposed? The motion carries unanimously.
02:58:17.97	Unknown	The resolution is adopted unanimously, and congratulations.
02:58:23.89	Unknown	Congratulations, Climatec and Katie. Good work to the staff, more than years of effort.
02:58:29.87	Unknown	Congratulations, city manager.
02:58:31.69	Samara Cox	As a point of clarification, Mayor, I had asked that we give direction to staff to undertake and implement an ongoing plan for tracking the savings. Can we just give that direction since that was not included in the formal resolution?
02:58:47.25	Unknown	I think there were some clear uncontested directions, starting with Council Member Hoffman's ask that we do the facilities assessment before, unless there's proactive choice of City Council to look at any more infrastructure, like the Vice Mayor just summarized. And Council Member Kelman had something too, which she'll-
02:59:05.47	Kellen	I'm sorry.
02:59:05.71	Kellen	Yes, thank you, Mayor, and the timing.
02:59:08.71	Kellen	We'd love to hear from Climatec when we're going to get grant funding moving.
02:59:13.42	Unknown	of depressing all urgency to send the grant applications out yesterday.
02:59:21.44	Unknown	So,
02:59:22.58	Kellen	Yeah, so maybe Katie, an update at the next council meeting. So yeah, keep us up. Thank you very much.
02:59:26.01	Unknown	So yeah, maybe the direction is to keep us up to date with one-way communication on the promise date of the applications going out and then when they actually do go out.
02:59:33.98	Unknown	so that we are...
02:59:36.95	Unknown	Can rest easy. It's impressive.
02:59:37.01	city manager	Can rest easy. Mayor, if I can. Yes. I'm getting notes from the community that Councilmember Hoffman and Councilmember Kelman, the mic is not coming through strongly enough. Not sure what's going on.
02:59:48.24	Kellen	No, that's on me. It's probably on me. I'm leaning in far enough. Thank you. Thanks, everybody.
02:59:48.25	city manager	So...
02:59:48.61	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
02:59:53.26	Unknown	Okay.
02:59:54.36	Unknown	Thank you very much. We'll move on to the only business item of the day, the hotel solicitation update to City Council and discussion of other potential alternatives. Mr. City Manager.
03:00:06.00	city manager	Now let me speak into my mic.
03:00:07.86	city manager	So thank you again, Mayor and Council. At the last...
03:00:12.82	city manager	years um march of 2023 we brought forward a series of revenue ideas that we thought the council would want to consider the city council listened to them gave us some direction one of the directions they gave us was to look at adding hotel rooms or a hotel to Sausalito that was in March of 2023 so one of the things that was specific to that conversation was that city staff should talk to the people that are here with hotels so the four hotels that are here the desire was for the council to dance with the people that brought you here so that was the four Saucido hotels who were approached by city staff with the request that, you know, they be, they were interested in adding hotel rooms, you know, that there was an interest on the part of the city council and working with them. And those conversations are fallow. At this point, no one has said of the four that we want to build new hotel rooms. We were then asked to work and talk to the owner of the formerly Sally Stanford House, the Valhalla, to see if there was in fact some real momentum to the presentation he made in an impromptu visit to the city council where he said he wanted to talk about a conversion of that property and it could be hotel rooms for the city of Sausalito. So we met with him. Those conversations are fallow as well. Thank you. a conversion of that property, and it could be hotel rooms for the city of Sausalito. So we met with him. Those conversations are fallow as well. We received an unsolicited request to discuss a hotel from a Mill Valley operator, which we had a couple of conversations with, and progress stopped there as well. So when the city council asked for this update, you know, I thought I'd give you that history to say we haven't not acted on it we have tried but we haven't you know had any success so in analyzing what hotels mean to Sausalito I think it was a wise decision to push us in that direction last year the hotels in Sausalito generated 2.1 million 21 thousand dollars so it's a significant amount of money that comes to the city and it's the best kind of money typically it's from other people who come in and pay that 40 percent tax and we use that to provide services to our community so two million dollars is 10 percent of our general fund so a good idea to chase those rooms or to chase an expansion. And so we've done that, and we haven't been successful, so I wanted to let you know that. So as part of the analysis and the recommendations in the staff report, there are two recommendations that we'd like you to consider. There was a letter from a resident, from the owner of the Sausalu Yacht Harbor, who said that the city council and the planning commission should consider floating hotels
03:03:04.88	city manager	which, okay, that's exciting and innovative. And so we think all ideas are good ideas as it relates to trying to create a bigger pie of other people's money that we can use to fund city services for our local residents and businesses and visitors. But the way we thought that we would want to do this is in talking to the folks that I work with in Anaheim where they built nine hotels in two years while I was there the the approaches city staff typically isn't sophisticated enough to chase a hotel project there's a lot that goes into it to get what you want to figure out
03:03:46.10	city manager	what it's going to be, where it would go.
03:03:48.67	city manager	how it would be financed, et cetera. So I think the recommendation that is second on your staff report is that if you're serious about this, that, you know, you ought not rely on city staff to do this, that there ought to be somebody that's in the business of working with hotel chains, hotel boutique hotels, et cetera, and bring them onto your team to kind of flesh out what it is you really want and go out there and see if there's a real live prospect. The other thing is in talking to a local hotelier, there was this comment to me that we have an off-season problem with rooms. And, you know, there was probably some real effort that needs to be made to figure out how you fix that in terms of getting more people into the rooms on the off season and so that is something that I think is solid in terms of a recommendation that you know we focus on a potential but then we also look at what we can do locally in the off season through whatever resources we have to increase people coming in to Sausalito, which translates into revenue for the city. And at the same time, uh, comes from other people, not residents and can be used for your city services here. And so, um, I really thought the idea of a floating hotel was interesting. Um, you know, I think that bears some merit, innovative and crazy ideas. And, you know, if you have other ideas that you think you'd like us to chase, we're happy to do them. One other subset to this is, you know, there is an industry across this country where short-term rentals are being used against the
03:05:31.17	city manager	will of the community. And so the question is, is that happening in Sausalito? And the answer is yes. The answer is, what do we do about it? And the answer is, we have a consultant that reports them to us, which we then take and use our code enforcement team to try to catch up. But they pop up. And so that's something that, you know, we have not looked into and won't look into until you tell us to. Because I think Sa's policy has been pretty clear over time but the idea of just bringing on a hotel is pretty complicated the ideal expanding existing hotels you know we haven't gained any traction with that either so that concludes my report I'm happy to answer any questions mayor thank you mr. team manager
03:06:12.97	Unknown	What would it, would you need RFQ to do this hotel consultant, or is it simply direction from the dais, if that's direction?
03:06:21.93	Unknown	If you wanted to go.
03:06:22.67	city manager	Thank you.
03:06:23.26	city manager	Thank you.
03:06:23.60	city manager	If you would like us to prepare a request for proposals and a request for qualifications or some other document to get professional help that works in the hotel industry, we would be happy to do that.
03:06:36.88	Unknown	or is that something you can do within your own authority?
03:06:39.77	city manager	Thank you.
03:06:39.78	Unknown	Is that something you can do with your own authority if it's within your.
03:06:42.87	Unknown	limits just on the basis of direction, or do you have to do an RFQ?
03:06:46.77	Unknown	Where is it?
03:06:48.24	Unknown	within the realm of just hiring an expert.
03:06:50.43	city manager	I was asked to give an update, and as part of that update, I thought it's fair that I give you some recommendations. And so one of those recommendations is that. If you really want us to chase hotels, I don't know that we have the expertise or the bandwidth to go out and do that, and that's why I would say you would probably want to bring in some professional help that knows the California market, the Bay Area market, and could talk to you all about what it is that you envision to see if that really is viable. Okay, thanks, Vice Mayor. And then, please.
03:07:18.97	Unknown	Counselor Everlasting.
03:07:20.54	Samara Cox	Thank you. And thank you for that report, City Manager, and for following through on one of our directions in terms of generating additional revenue for the city. I'm wondering if in your survey of potential alternatives you chatted with Cameron Razavi regarding his property and possibly citing a hotel there.
03:07:47.20	city manager	I have not.
03:07:48.55	Samara Cox	Okay. And I'm wondering, I received a couple of days ago, correspondence from Carlito Berg and, um, um,
03:07:59.06	Samara Cox	Curtis Havel and the Maddens regarding exploring the idea of possible floating hotel. I'm wondering if you saw that correspondence.
03:08:09.46	city manager	I referenced it earlier in my presentation, Vice Mayor, and that's what I was speaking of, the letter from Mr. Madden that came, which I received today.
03:08:17.35	Samara Cox	Okay, wonderful. And I'm hoping other council members received that. Okay, okay. Oh, you didn't?
03:08:22.53	city manager	Okay.
03:08:25.83	Samara Cox	Okay, because I got it as an email. So, yeah.
03:08:30.64	Samara Cox	Okay. Those were my questions.
03:08:34.92	Council Member Blaustein	First of all, thank you for doing this research and for talking to the hoteliers. My immediate response to this is great, but isn't this something that the PBID could help us fund? We just work from the dais to approve of the PBID and we're working with our downtown business owners to do whatever we can to reinvigorate downtown. And I believe we have a couple of seats on the PBID board. Is this something that we could give direction to you to have the PBID consider and to look at as a way of potentially budgeting from there?
03:09:06.39	city manager	Yes, you could, understanding that they control their own, we have votes, as you said, but they would have to be the ones that would approve it, and they will have their own ideas about what they budget and spend and so forth, but this could be presented to them as something that the city council is interested in them working on.
03:09:24.09	Council Member Blaustein	It might be I mean if it's unsuccessful, then we could consider an RFQ here, but I think it falls my perspective is that it potentially falls under. The realm of what might be interesting for the pivot to be working on so maybe whomever is responsible week if the rest of the Council would agree with that we could put it forward there as a starting point just because we've already allocated funds there.
03:09:48.19	Councilmember Hoffman	Do we have any? I'm sorry.
03:09:51.53	Unknown	Go ahead.
03:09:53.15	Councilmember Hoffman	Do we have...
03:09:53.88	Unknown	We have. You and Aja, just, you're asking a question, but yeah.
03:09:55.87	Unknown	Thank you.
03:09:58.05	Councilmember Hoffman	Do we have any, I feel like we already have them, and if we don't have them, don't ask anybody to prepare them, but I feel like we have metrics on hotel occupancy rates. You know, the cycle, right, like, you know,
03:10:14.91	Councilmember Hoffman	You know, high season, low season, vacancy rates during the low season. Do we have that somewhere? I don't know if we do or not, but that's an interesting thing. We're trying to bring another hotel here, but we have acknowledged vacancy rates of X, you know, during certain seasons.
03:10:21.60	Unknown	I don't know.
03:10:31.07	city manager	Yeah, we can get it and we should get it for you so you can see what their vacancy rates actually are, because the economic example that we gave you in March of 2023 assumed an 80 percent occupancy rate, which I'm told is too high for Sausalito. So if you want us to get specific metrics from the existing hoteliers, the four of them, it shouldn't be hard to do.
03:10:54.98	Councilmember Hoffman	I think that might be interesting.
03:11:00.30	Councilmember Hoffman	for us as a policy information before we go too far down this road and waste too much information. Because if the occupancy rates are low during a substantial period of time, then I don't know that it would be worth it to try to lure another hotel here. Because I don't know that it would be worth the effort. So anyway, it would be interesting to me to know that information. But I don't want anybody to go to extra work if it's not easily obtainable.
03:11:28.38	Councilmember Hoffman	And I have no objection, although I know that
03:11:35.50	Councilmember Hoffman	Oh, sorry. Do we have any
03:11:41.63	Councilmember Hoffman	information on objections from certain neighborhoods with regard to hotel versus residential units.
03:11:44.14	Synthes Egink	I've,
03:11:53.74	city manager	Just a good question, Councilmember Hoffman. I don't think we've got to that discussion yet because we don't have an actual site or an actual project to kind of see if, in fact, there is support or not for a project. So at some point, you'd want to do that for sure, but we haven't done that.
03:12:09.77	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
03:12:09.81	Kellen	Okay, thank you.
03:12:12.54	city manager	Any questions?
03:12:12.96	Unknown	Thanks.
03:12:13.82	Kellen	Only statements.
03:12:15.65	Unknown	Okay, we'll take public comment now.
03:12:18.53	Unknown	If you're interested in public comment, please turn in a sheet or come up to the podium.
03:12:28.42	Unknown	Thank you.
03:12:29.35	Gregory Taylor	Good evening, Gregory Taylor.
03:12:31.75	Gregory Taylor	I want to talk tonight about immigration, but before I do, I want to reiterate what Jeff said earlier about the importance of changing the public speaking time from what it is now.
03:12:42.19	Unknown	So this is a public comment for just this matter about the hotels.
03:12:45.30	Gregory Taylor	Oh, I did what Jeff did. Well, can we get to public comments? I'm getting sleepy.
03:12:49.80	Unknown	Sure. That'll be the next four years.
03:12:50.51	Gregory Taylor	I'm 64 years old.
03:12:52.03	Unknown	Thank you, sir.
03:12:52.32	Gregory Taylor	I need my rest.
03:12:57.63	Unknown	Is there any other public comment, Mr. City Clerk? Oh, Mr. Baker?
03:13:04.08	Hank Baker	In my first three years of my career, I did many hotel feasibility studies, among other things, as well as feasibility studies for other projects. I think that the city has also done an economic development study that indicated back in 2018 or 19 that we needed another hotel. We do.
03:13:20.48	Hank Baker	The occupancy rates of 70% are annual.
03:13:24.19	Hank Baker	probably four, five, six months a year, we're close to 100%, and that's where the excess demand is, and we'll make sense of it.
03:13:30.98	Hank Baker	There's no question that there's a market for hotels here. The real question is developers have choices on where they want to go and where it's best to go. Sausalito is real, real hard on getting approvals for anything, a garage, much less a hotel.
03:13:51.77	Hank Baker	And I think that the only way that you're going to get people to come here to consider a hotel is to come up with a pre-approved site, a pre-approved size, a pre-approved bulk and massing of the hotel, and then go out to the hotel community. Until you do that, you can do all the studies you want. There is a demand. There's just not a desire among the development community to come into Sausalito and do that brain damage on the risk that they might spend a lot of money and not get anything approved. So I think that the problem is not feasibility. The problem is the will of the city to approve something
03:14:28.11	Hank Baker	that will probably pay him $2 million a year in TOT and potentially land leases and retail sales tax. But that's not an easy answer and there's only a few sites that are available in town.
03:14:43.40	Unknown	Is there any other public comment?
03:14:44.82	Mary Sobieski	Yeah, Synthes Egan.
03:14:57.04	Synthes Egink	I would encourage that we focus on the desirability of Sausalito
03:15:01.98	Synthes Egink	Make it more accessible for these short-term leases of people's rooms in housing that they're not using.
03:15:07.97	Synthes Egink	I would highly encourage that.
03:15:09.81	Synthes Egink	and that we invest in our local hotels, which are quite fine, and do not trespass on any historical sites, and definitely not Itakchi Park ever, do not develop it, because we all know that's honorable space. Let people rent out their rooms and their houses. Encourage people to invite people,
03:15:26.60	Synthes Egink	The desirability of Sausalito is what we want to maintain. No, we don't want any chains.
03:15:33.61	Synthes Egink	Thank you.
03:15:35.40	Synthes Egink	Thank you.
03:15:37.34	Unknown	Okay, we have BetBugDougal.
03:15:44.56	Babette McDougall	Thank you. So actually, my own thoughts about this have, I too have hospitality experience.
03:15:52.52	Babette McDougall	I would like to say that the short-term rental question is a dicey one for the town.
03:15:57.18	Babette McDougall	No doubt.
03:15:58.73	Babette McDougall	But
03:15:59.39	Babette McDougall	the bed and breakfast concept would be so popular in a town like this. And since you're looking at high density buildup,
03:16:07.36	Babette McDougall	why not consider the bed and breakfast community
03:16:10.43	Babette McDougall	It would force revisiting the short-term rental
03:16:13.52	Babette McDougall	situation.
03:16:14.90	Babette McDougall	which is dicey, but it's not impossible. I mean, how many of us travel around Europe and elsewhere in places in the Orient where without bed and breakfast, often it turns out to be the highlight of a visit.
03:16:30.00	Babette McDougall	So I'd just like to encourage you to think in these directions a little bit more creatively. And convention and visitor bureau organizations typically have this data. Now, when I was involved in the leadership of the Sausalito Chamber,
03:16:44.62	Babette McDougall	The hoteliers made it very clear that there was no interest in joining the Marin CVB.
03:16:50.14	Babette McDougall	However, they most certainly, and I went forward with
03:16:53.75	Babette McDougall	that request to put them
03:16:55.92	Babette McDougall	into a very good position with the San Francisco Convention and Visitors Bureau.
03:17:00.43	Babette McDougall	Well, of course, we live in a new age now, so we have to think more for ourselves and more independently.
03:17:05.91	Babette McDougall	With that in mind, that doesn't mean that that data isn't available.
03:17:09.31	Babette McDougall	Frankly, just the TOT tracking data
03:17:11.65	Babette McDougall	There's a lot that can be derived from that.
03:17:14.45	Babette McDougall	I'm with Hank. I think there's a lot that we can derive already from the data we have on hand.
03:17:19.18	Babette McDougall	And I also appreciate the city manager's comments too.
03:17:23.38	Babette McDougall	emphasizing the problem of short-term rentals and how it holds us back in some ways, but perhaps in not others. Thank you.
03:17:33.52	Mary Sobieski	Sandra Bushmaker?
03:17:37.43	Sandra Bushmaker	Hello again.
03:17:38.62	Sandra Bushmaker	I can't help but raise the issue before some of you were on the council.
03:17:44.57	Sandra Bushmaker	700 residents in Sausalito,
03:17:47.19	Sandra Bushmaker	presented a
03:17:48.67	Sandra Bushmaker	petition.
03:17:49.89	Sandra Bushmaker	Signed by them.
03:17:51.20	Sandra Bushmaker	to oppose short-term rentals, and to enforce our 30-day minimum rental here in Sausalito. I hope we don't lose sight of that effort.
03:17:59.95	Sandra Bushmaker	as we're talking about these things.
03:18:02.90	Sandra Bushmaker	And lastly, I just wanted to comment that
03:18:06.31	Sandra Bushmaker	Some members of the Working Waterfront Coalition approached the council last year
03:18:11.86	Sandra Bushmaker	about the floating homes. In fact, one member of that organization
03:18:16.03	Sandra Bushmaker	is working with a floating
03:18:18.91	Sandra Bushmaker	Flotel.
03:18:20.05	Sandra Bushmaker	Uh...
03:18:21.24	Sandra Bushmaker	merchant. And I just wanted to remind you of that. And that person may be available to the council for further information. Thank you.
03:18:33.06	Mary Sobieski	No further public speakers.
03:18:34.81	Unknown	OK, come back up to the dais for any discussion. The vice mayor.
03:18:41.09	Samara Cox	So I fully endorse what Council Member Blaustein suggested, which is seeking, is inquiring of PBID whether this is a project they could take on because obviously some of the sites that would be eligible are downtown. I had heard that the old Wells Fargo building, that there was interest in perhaps putting some hotel rooms on the second story of that for example and so i think and also i think the pbid is squarely um
03:19:13.30	Samara Cox	situated to address the off-season vacancies. That's exactly one of the things I think they extolled in their proposal to be formed. And so I definitely endorse that approach. I would really like us to explore further this concept of flow tells and the letter that we received from the
03:19:37.96	Samara Cox	three separate marinas about wanting to explore this idea in conjunction with a vendor who's been known for 20 years.
03:19:50.73	Samara Cox	I am concerned about BCDC implications of that, and so I would want to be able to reach out to BCDC to inquire about their perspective on that before any of these marinas spends a lot of money, but I would like authority from this, or I guess direction from the city council that we at least preliminarily explore further this concept and its feasibility as a council. I was on the council when we voted 5-0 to...
03:20:26.91	Samara Cox	Um,
03:20:28.43	Samara Cox	continue our ban on short-term rentals. The main reason for that at that time was housing stock, the availability of affordable housing stock, and the fact that the types of units that are most suitable for short-term rentals are also typically most suitable for affordable housing. And so that was a concern of that council at that time. Those are my thoughts. Thank you.
03:21:03.24	Samara Cox	Thank you.
03:21:03.26	Unknown	remember coming.
03:21:04.05	Kellen	Yeah, I'll continue that thought process and say I think this council should decide on a direction that we can give a subset of either committee members or the PBID, but we should give some direction, as in we want to put together a task force to look at a flotel, which is I think they wanted looking at Bridgeway Marina,
03:21:24.40	Kellen	Thank you.
03:21:24.79	Kellen	and be very specific, a 10 to 20, a 5 to 10 unit hotel to be located in this particular area. And then it could be two members of EDAC, two members of the Planning Commission, meet with the PBID to come up with some suggestions after the city council has given some very clear direction. I would not send off any group to just come up with a concept. I would actually take the council here first to give clear direction about what that would look like. And I think Hank is right. There needs to be a commitment then from the council to offer something to a potential developer that would be streamlined permitting. I'll also point out that we own that property, not 300 Locusts, we're right behind it, which is close proximity to Bridgeway Marina. And so there could be services that are developed in coordination with some type of floating hotel in that area. But I would be very specific and find a way to have a strategic session as to give that direction. I would not task an independent group with coming up with a hotel idea. I would have the council give that direction.
03:22:32.93	Unknown	It's my comment on that. Oh, go ahead.
03:22:35.03	Kellen	So sorry. And I also just will mention that actually the city manager, and I thought maybe you, Mayor, I had a friend who worked at Kempton for, I don't know, 30 years or so, and he sat down with us for an hour a long time ago, and he had a lot of ideas about what we might want to look at. So I would also just say to this council, I don't think we need to pay anybody as a consultant. There are many experts in our midst, even if we wanted to talk to five of them. But I wouldn't spend any money in this initial exploratory phase. Sorry to interrupt you.
03:23:07.58	Kellen	Yeah.
03:23:08.07	Unknown	So, I mean, what you said resonated with me, especially that last bit, it feels as though
03:23:13.25	Unknown	I mean, we have one apparently right here in the audience who has experience with hoteliers, and there must be some others that can provide maybe the beginnings of informing us about how a little town like ours could approach this in a way.
03:23:26.21	Unknown	that you know, comprehends all the various issues that Councilmember Hoffman mentioned, the neighbors,
03:23:32.64	Unknown	Councillor Markillman is talking about being specific in what we ask. I think Mr. Baker said we need to be specific in location and size. But at the same time, there's always a chicken and egg situation there. And the thing I wanted to put to my friends here on my colleagues here on the.
03:23:47.56	Unknown	Councils, we just voted for
03:23:49.56	Unknown	$1.9 million
03:23:51.54	Unknown	which we hope is a down payment on our resiliency goals, not the end of the story, right?
03:23:56.30	Unknown	I mean, that's not the original plan was $5 million.
03:24:00.35	Unknown	and it's been pared down to 1.9 million. We have...
03:24:04.87	Unknown	roads that if we want to get to 75 on the pavement condition index are going to require 3 million more per year.
03:24:12.77	Unknown	every year.
03:24:14.49	Unknown	Uh, so we have another hotel like in above tides, even with their vacancy rates in the off season.
03:24:20.70	Unknown	That's $2 million. So that's.
03:24:23.11	Unknown	Oh, that doesn't even solve our road problem, but it gets us there.
03:24:27.11	Unknown	So.
03:24:28.12	Unknown	life's all about trade-offs and
03:24:31.02	Unknown	And so in a perfect world, we'd have all the money we need. But if we are actually serious about solving our resiliency goals.
03:24:37.62	Unknown	and really serious about fixing our roads and really serious about not raising taxes.
03:24:43.38	Unknown	that I'm asking you, where are we going to get the money?
03:24:46.43	Unknown	And I don't know where we're going to get the money.
03:24:48.71	Unknown	and
03:24:49.91	Unknown	unless it's economic growth.
03:24:52.17	Unknown	And that can be
03:24:53.86	Unknown	you know,
03:24:54.99	Unknown	an amorphous set of permitting reforms, which I hope we will get to
03:25:00.13	Unknown	you know, when it's properly agendized.
03:25:02.67	Unknown	But here tonight,
03:25:03.78	Unknown	was agendized as hotels.
03:25:06.40	Unknown	And they are a low-hanging fruit.
03:25:08.81	Unknown	relatively easy compared to permitting reform way.
03:25:12.79	Unknown	because of generating real money that we can then spend on our
03:25:16.81	Unknown	town without raising taxes.
03:25:19.76	Unknown	So.
03:25:20.64	Unknown	I get that there's a lot of resistance to it because if you think of another 40 room hotel, it's like, where does that go?
03:25:27.96	Unknown	I don't know yet.
03:25:29.61	Unknown	But I do know that if we're serious about those other things, we've got to be serious about where the money's going to come from. And I'd ask you where...
03:25:35.98	Unknown	if not a 40 room hotel.
03:25:38.83	Unknown	Where?
03:25:41.97	Unknown	Please, Council Member Hoffman.
03:25:43.69	Councilmember Hoffman	So I think the really interesting...
03:25:48.43	Councilmember Hoffman	the really interesting proposal is from the marinas and the the flotel idea. And you know, there are issues, they've got to get through
03:25:58.84	Councilmember Hoffman	They've got to figure out the legal needle, you know, thread through the needle with BCDC. That's not up to us. That's up to BCDC. But once, you know, once they figure that out and come to us with a proposal that's, you know, low impact and doesn't displace a lot of people and still comports with the idea of a recreational marina and continues that idea. I mean, I think that we would be receptive to that. One of the letters I received, Mayor, was from Sausalio Yacht Harbor, and it had a financial breakdown that was very interesting. So I would encourage somebody who has that capability to come and talk to us and to move forward on that to the extent that, you know, like I said, they've got to go through the agencies that they need to go through. That's not up to us. But I would say let's talk about that.
03:27:01.55	Samara Cox	Thank you.
03:27:02.88	Unknown	Thanks, man.
03:27:04.05	Samara Cox	Mayor, I'd like to endorse Councilmember Kelman's suggestion that we form a task force to further explore this. I volunteer to serve on that task force with whoever else might be interested. And I would like to actually perhaps enlist the assistance of Senator McGuire in facilitating conversations with BCDC. He helped us.
03:27:29.33	Samara Cox	five years ago, to put together a settlement agreement with BCDC to address various homelessness and other issues. And so he has really been...
03:27:44.70	Samara Cox	Okay, lovely. So I have another volunteer here. I don't know if anybody else is interested, but I'd like to.
03:27:49.54	Unknown	anyone's interested. Go ahead.
03:27:51.08	Samara Cox	I'd like to just take concrete action tonight to move forward because as you said,
03:27:55.94	Samara Cox	this is really low hanging fruit in terms of a revenue opportunity.
03:27:59.78	Council Member Blaustein	I just, if we're taking concrete action on the flotels because of the Levine Act and the cumulative amount of contributions that I've received, I have to recuse myself from decisions around the flotel. At this point, I can speak to hotels generally, but I just want to say that I was not aware that we would be.
03:28:13.35	Council Member Blaustein	agendizing specifically until we receive that correspondence so just making that clear I won't be weighing in on floatels at this time
03:28:20.31	Unknown	Thank you.
03:28:20.81	Council Member Blaustein	But I will give on the idea of PBID, I definitely reinforce Council Member Kelman's direction there.
03:28:26.13	Samara Cox	Yeah, and I agree, and I endorse your suggestion about PEEPIT as well.
03:28:31.26	Kellen	I would also just say that for probably the same reasons, I won't take specific action as to a particular marina at this time, but I think the flow tell could be something that the EDAC looks at in coordination with the Planning Commission because that doesn't necessarily need to be within the confines of the PBID, which as you recall is actually quite narrow. So just make sure that geographically that's a right fit.
03:28:56.33	Councilmember Hoffman	I...
03:28:56.84	Councilmember Hoffman	I agree. I think that it could be very low impact, but get off the ground very quickly. I mean, the boat's there, like the type of facility, the floating facility that they have, the prototype is there. And so anyway, it's interesting.
03:29:03.03	Katie Thao Garcia	Let me see.
03:29:15.03	Samara Cox	Thank you.
03:29:15.10	Councilmember Hoffman	you
03:29:15.17	Samara Cox	And I'll say Clipper Yacht Harbor right now is allowed to have 10% liveaboards, and they only have 7%. And so I would make the argument that flotel boats would still fall within that 10% overall. So anyway, these are some issues that I'd like to further explore, and I'd like to really encourage the marinas to engage in this ongoing dialogue.
03:29:46.70	Unknown	Is there any other...
03:29:48.75	Samara Cox	Well, can we have Councilmember consensus on the task force?
03:29:48.78	Unknown	Well, can we have you?
03:29:52.76	Unknown	Oh yeah. Is there anyone who has an objection to
03:29:55.94	Unknown	that doesn't sound like
03:29:56.39	Samara Cox	Doesn't sound like it.
03:29:57.54	Unknown	Doesn't sound like there is. So I think you are definitely a working group on that issue. And, you know, that could be reaffirmed in two weeks, I guess. But.
03:30:11.07	Unknown	I would say the remit of
03:30:13.52	Unknown	that the floatels are low-hanging fruit. I still, my question's out there about
03:30:18.31	Unknown	where the numbers are because that may or may not happen with BCDC.
03:30:22.08	Unknown	And...
03:30:22.61	Unknown	My question still for my colleagues is,
03:30:24.91	Unknown	You know, we all know that the infrastructure number is big and that doesn't even count some of the resiliency numbers that we'd like to have.
03:30:31.22	Unknown	So...
03:30:32.35	Unknown	We may have $8 million on our balance sheet, but where's the extra money gonna come from?
03:30:37.48	Unknown	uh,
03:30:38.24	Unknown	The thought is, is there a plan B if the hotel concept doesn't work? And I.
03:30:43.56	Unknown	endorse the Council member Kelman's and Hank Baker's comment that you want to be specific in what you're offering, but that's always somewhat incendiary. And how would we as a council come up with like, we're not going to decide on the location. So I am wondering if the remit of the task force or of staff, or just the direction of the council is a little bit more like
03:31:03.28	Unknown	Let's create some room to ideate around this instead of overly constraining it right away.
03:31:09.04	Unknown	Let's get more ideas about how we could meet this. So Councilmember Kellman.
03:31:09.11	Kellen	Let's get started.
03:31:13.29	Kellen	Well, then my decision would be to re-agendize it at this council. I absolutely think the council is the body that should be giving that very specific direction. And furthermore, I would urge us to do that because, and I, for one, if I was still on the council, would not support a 48-unit hotel because I think that is not playing up to why people would come to Sausalito, which is to enjoy what an in-above-tide type of property presents. And so I think that's why this council needs to get very clear on what we would want to look for and then give that direction. So that was the reason for that.
03:31:47.31	Samara Cox	I think the task force could do things like reach out to Cameron Razavi about 300 locusts and could consider. I mean, that would be an ideal site that we could consider a development agreement. We could manage the size, the characteristics. I've worked with other municipalities on doing this exact same thing as part of redevelopment, what used to be called redevelopment, in order to facilitate requests from hoteliers to establish hotels based on specific parameters, just as Mr. Baker described.
03:32:26.58	Unknown	for my measure just to be clear councilman kelman i wouldn't have said one 40 room hotel necessarily it could be 220 or
03:32:34.46	Unknown	three sixteens, three sixteenths. So that's exactly the question. It's more like the number of units is like we roughly need to add 40 or 40.
03:32:44.03	Unknown	60 units if we want to fix our roads.
03:32:47.54	Unknown	Or it could. If you did that, you could fix our roads. If you added more, you could
03:32:51.15	Unknown	Under Daylight Willow Creek.
03:32:52.57	Kellen	Right. So again, I think that's exactly the type of conversation that should get re-agendized, have more of a public hearing, do a study session on that, have an opportunity to look at where it could go. And, you know, potentially it's a phased approach. It's our goal, our smart goal is to have 10 units come online, you know, every two years over the next 10 years. So, I mean, it has to be something that doesn't inundate the market and then just price everybody out. That wouldn't make financial sense either. So there needs to be some thoughtfulness around it, but the opportunity is certainly there.
03:33:25.61	Unknown	Yeah.
03:33:26.54	Unknown	All right, is there any other discussion?
03:33:29.96	Unknown	Okay. Do you have what you need, city manager? Okay, great. Thank you. We'll move on to the next agenda topic.
03:33:36.00	Unknown	which are items not on the agenda. So now is the opportunity for members of the public to make comments for items not on the agenda. If you'd like to do so, please just come up to the podium, sir.
03:33:45.45	Unknown	and our hand in a slip.
03:33:50.50	Gregory Taylor	Thank you. Gregory Taylor, back again.
03:33:53.20	Gregory Taylor	Thank you.
03:33:53.70	Gregory Taylor	I want to echo Jeff's sentiments earlier about the importance of going back to the way we always did things in this town, at least in my memory. I've been here over 30 years.
03:34:04.50	Gregory Taylor	We always had public comment at 7.15, 7.20. The meeting would start at 7, and shortly after it would be public comment, everybody would get three minutes. We usually had a lot of people that wanted to speak, good speakers.
03:34:17.13	Gregory Taylor	And now you've changed that. And I'm curious to know which one of you it was who had this idea to make this huge change in our format and the way we do business here at 420 Litho. Did you have this idea all of a sudden? It was like an epiphany. It came out of the blue. You're able to convince the others that this was a good thing. If so, I'd like to know.
03:34:35.72	Gregory Taylor	What were you thinking? Maybe if you see me on the street sometime, we could have a discussion. You could outline the points that you
03:34:42.46	Gregory Taylor	He, uh,
03:34:44.63	Gregory Taylor	think that this travesty of justice, this suppression of free speech, I mean, how is this going to work for anybody?
03:34:50.10	Gregory Taylor	You know, so which one of you, if it was one of you, which one of you was it?
03:34:53.69	Gregory Taylor	All my questions are rhetorical. I'm not looking for answers here tonight, but I am looking for answers.
03:34:58.96	Gregory Taylor	So if you see me on the street,
03:35:01.80	Gregory Taylor	Have some of your friends maybe contact me.
03:35:04.19	Gregory Taylor	Tell me what the hell you're thinking.
03:35:06.03	Gregory Taylor	And as far as immigration goes on, I know I've got about 20 seconds left.
03:35:09.52	Gregory Taylor	I just want to say number 45, soon to be number 47, is a clown, a huckster, a fraud, and a liar. But he's not stupid. And when you hear this clown talk about deporting millions of people the first day he's back in office, he's lying. He knows America needs immigrants. I don't care if you're from North Korea or Iran or the Democratic Republic.
03:35:31.56	Gregory Taylor	Congo.
03:35:32.54	Gregory Taylor	I welcome you to America. Come to America. Come to California.
03:35:36.37	Gregory Taylor	Come to Sausalito. Labor is the source of all wealth.
03:35:42.30	Gregory Taylor	people all over the world.
03:35:44.91	Gregory Taylor	Fight your oppressors. God bless America.
03:35:53.32	Unknown	That's right.
03:35:55.02	Unknown	Sunshine.
03:36:00.50	Sunshine	Hi, my name is Sunshine, and I agree public comment should be at the beginning, because at 84, it's very hard to stay up this late to make the comment. But I did want to make a comment.
03:36:18.58	Sunshine	I want to speak on behalf of all the people here in Sausalito who have been evicted from their living units in the past year.
03:36:27.86	Sunshine	I feel like people that buy a new car and they notice all the other cars that are the same make. I've never met so many people that have been evicted after living in their places 20, 30, 40 years. No matter what age they are, they've been evicted. And it's very hard to find housing here. And every place I've called, well, our waiting list is closed,
03:36:55.90	Sunshine	We don't deal with the company that evicted you.
03:37:01.79	Sunshine	And
03:37:03.85	Sunshine	I had a default eviction because the lawyer that
03:37:08.66	Sunshine	our management hired
03:37:11.01	Sunshine	said I was served papers.
03:37:13.40	Sunshine	And I wasn't. I was here at the meeting.
03:37:15.90	Sunshine	Thank heavens that the Zoom camera was working because I could prove it to them.
03:37:20.76	Sunshine	But they still, they didn't get in trouble. I still got evicted. So I'm just looking, what is the city doing to protect seniors? Sauceno Village, okay, we're fed and we're driven places, but as far as housing, no one, no one is working on helping protect us. A tree is more protected than the elders.
03:37:46.61	Sunshine	So I'm just asking the city council to think about what they can do to protect all of us. And maybe after January 15th, I won't come to any more meetings. So sorry.
03:38:04.85	Alice Merrill	Hello, everybody. I would like to reiterate both of the things that this should be in the beginning. It's just not fair to.
03:38:14.02	Alice Merrill	People who are, they won't come.
03:38:17.12	Alice Merrill	We oddballs who come to all these meetings are here, but most people won't come if they have something to say and they find out that they can't say it until 11 o'clock at night or a quarter of 11. It's just too late.
03:38:30.77	Alice Merrill	And why? And then I really think that three minutes is short enough...
03:38:37.41	Alice Merrill	And
03:38:40.19	Alice Merrill	And I have a neighbor in my apartment building who's being evicted after 27 years, and she
03:38:48.12	Alice Merrill	She's old and she doesn't have anywhere to go. It's tough.
03:38:52.04	Alice Merrill	right now. It's happening a lot. And I don't know if you guys can help at all, but it's really
03:39:00.93	Alice Merrill	It's scary and it's unsettling. As to the last subject, which you didn't ask for comments about the hotels, what's going on with Portofino these days? Just in case you didn't ask for comments after hotels, I don't know if you didn't on purpose, but anyway, I'm suggesting Portofino. Does anybody know what's going on with that place?
03:39:23.66	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
03:39:29.05	Synthes Egink	I would just like to say in the last, uh, uh,
03:39:32.44	Synthes Egink	four years I've been here in South Lido.
03:39:34.51	Synthes Egink	I recognize the improvements of the mindset
03:39:37.67	Synthes Egink	of the community.
03:39:38.85	Synthes Egink	of all of you.
03:39:40.05	Synthes Egink	of the police department, of the sheriff's department, of the entire county of Marin,
03:39:44.25	Synthes Egink	And I think we can keep on improving together. And I'm so glad that we're hearing each other. Thank you.
03:39:53.43	Mary Sobieski	Anybody else in-house?
03:40:03.11	Jeffrey Chase	Time for the speech, Mr. Mayor, counsel. And Mike, you're really going to have to work on the special effects.
03:40:08.78	Jeffrey Chase	to make this into a cm squared production that's going to sell.
03:40:14.34	Jeffrey Chase	Two minutes reduced from three is less than it took Abraham Lincoln to deliver the Gettysburg Address.
03:40:22.12	Jeffrey Chase	Free speech is more important
03:40:28.33	Jeffrey Chase	Then Oliver Wendell Holmes...
03:40:32.73	Jeffrey Chase	Who he he
03:40:35.94	Jeffrey Chase	said that people who yell fire
03:40:38.72	Jeffrey Chase	in a crowded theater.
03:40:41.00	Jeffrey Chase	are infringing on free speech.
03:40:44.85	Jeffrey Chase	Well, in fact, he was sentencing anti-war orators during the massacre, mutual massacre known as World War I.
03:40:54.28	Jeffrey Chase	They spent decades in prison for that.
03:41:00.79	Jeffrey Chase	The opportunity to speak to our elected officials is priceless.
03:41:06.30	Jeffrey Chase	So thank you, Sausalito. But no thanks are due for reducing it to two minutes.
03:41:12.67	Jeffrey Chase	And...
03:41:13.52	Jeffrey Chase	The move of citizens for free speech to the end of this meeting is so unlike every other single town and agency.
03:41:25.89	Jeffrey Chase	in Marin County.
03:41:28.84	Jeffrey Chase	This is not only unconstitutional and restriction on democracy
03:41:34.36	Jeffrey Chase	but also an infringement on religious freedom.
03:41:38.85	Jeffrey Chase	as many government meetings are begun with the prayer,
03:41:44.23	Jeffrey Chase	from Muslims or Jews or Christians.
03:41:48.43	Jeffrey Chase	or Buddhists or Hindus. And we cannot do that here.
03:41:52.99	Jeffrey Chase	So,
03:41:54.74	Jeffrey Chase	Throw this dog a bone.
03:41:59.45	Jeffrey Chase	bring this back it doesn't say even public comment on the agenda at uh mr mayor if i could it doesn't say public comment once on the agenda for any items that what we need is a democracy time is up and not an autocracy and on january 20th we're all going to feel like anchor outs your time is up all right that's the way it is and don't evict sunshine
03:42:04.40	Unknown	I
03:42:06.32	Unknown	Thank you.
03:42:11.85	Unknown	that what we're saying.
03:42:12.26	Katie Thao Garcia	Thank you.
03:42:21.90	Katie Thao Garcia	I'm sorry.
03:42:21.93	Unknown	A big stud shot.
03:42:22.91	Katie Thao Garcia	Thank you.
03:42:23.41	Jeffrey Chase	Jill Hoffman said she does not make.
03:42:25.83	Jeffrey Chase	You can prevent her eviction, Jill Hoffman.
03:42:26.01	Unknown	The poll is up.
03:42:29.83	Jeffrey Chase	right now.
03:42:31.70	Jeffrey Chase	Perhaps.
03:42:33.24	Jeffrey Chase	Okay, who's next? She's a credit to the community. It's not just on.
03:42:38.23	Mary Sobieski	Online we have Eva.
03:42:43.44	Eva	Yeah, thank you. It's Ava Crisanti. I want to thank the first two speakers in public comments. And I agree with much of what they had to say.
03:42:52.78	Eva	I did want to point out that I contacted the city attorney with some questions. I had only recently discovered the settlement between the city of Sausalito and Jeremy Portage regarding the 2021 incident.
03:43:10.09	Eva	And I found in the terms of the settlement that there were
03:43:15.02	Eva	There were two items that were relevant to the larger community, aside from just Mr. Portage.
03:43:21.83	Eva	And one of those is an educational program that you were supposed to implement. So on the 25th of November,
03:43:31.57	Eva	I sent an email to Sergio Rudin, your city attorney, with some questions about how that had been implemented or whether it had been implemented, because it seems clear from the body worn camera on September 26th that
03:43:49.70	Eva	if you have implemented that educational program, then it has not been very effective. Because the purpose of that educational program was to kind of halt education
03:44:07.60	Eva	these
03:44:08.60	Eva	you know, elderly white residents from demanding that police come down on people of other races. And actually what you see on September 26th is a bunch of elderly white residents of Sausalito insisting that a biracial
03:44:24.41	Eva	person who was not even violating the law, who's merely exercising their free speech rights in a very civil manner.
03:44:30.97	Eva	be violently ejected.
03:44:32.91	Eva	from
03:44:34.79	Eva	your candidate for a venue. So I do have questions and I do not know why Mr. Rudin has not responded to that email. So I would like to remind him and the city that that
03:44:48.00	Unknown	Thank you.
03:44:49.45	Mary Sobieski	next.
03:44:49.97	Unknown	Speaker.
03:44:50.45	Mary Sobieski	is up. Sorry.
03:44:53.21	Unknown	Next speaker is Babette McDougall.
03:45:02.00	Unknown	Bye-bye.
03:45:02.95	Babette McDougall	Thank you. Sorry.
03:45:05.94	Babette McDougall	Be back in Sausalito really soon. It'll be great.
03:45:08.92	Babette McDougall	I'll be glad for it.
03:45:10.81	Babette McDougall	So
03:45:11.76	Babette McDougall	Once again, I just want to take a look at this big picture of our government and how we're doing this.
03:45:17.82	Babette McDougall	locally.
03:45:19.37	Babette McDougall	And, um,
03:45:20.72	Babette McDougall	sounding like a bit of a school teacher again.
03:45:23.79	Babette McDougall	with government 101, I think it's really important that we move forward as a community united.
03:45:32.16	Babette McDougall	And this most recent election season has been hard on everyone. And I specifically would like to invite this council because the electioneering four council positions seem to boil down to two square platforms, one platform, two.
03:45:50.32	Babette McDougall	talked about the positive people of Sausalito, which actually the first few times I heard that, I thought it was a joke.
03:45:57.62	Babette McDougall	Everybody in Sausalito was positive as far as I can tell.
03:46:01.39	Babette McDougall	The difference is how you take your data.
03:46:04.93	Babette McDougall	And I guess that's what separates the blues from the reds nationally, how we take our data. So I just would like to remind you that by putting what was told to me was clearly an ideological divide, that's why it was necessary to organize the positive people of Sausalito.
03:46:22.25	Babette McDougall	against those, I guess, who were felt not to be positive. And I can only say this, as we move forward into the new year, we simply have to remember that we are a community. And as community, we have to work together, not divide each other. So I'd like to invite you to step away from the concept of division and
03:46:41.65	Babette McDougall	And as we move into the new year, kindly consider...
03:46:44.86	Babette McDougall	the importance and the relevance of engaging the entire enfranchised voter community, and not just those that you think
03:46:52.66	Babette McDougall	which you have very effectively done clearly,
03:46:55.42	Babette McDougall	to somehow, unless...
03:46:57.51	Babette McDougall	I don't know, the complaints about the voting ends up being investigated. Who knows? But the point is this. I'm going to say, no, it won't be investigated.
03:47:08.70	Unknown	anything.
03:47:08.82	Mary Sobieski	you
03:47:08.97	Mary Sobieski	the public comment.
03:47:08.99	Unknown	for the public.
03:47:10.51	Unknown	No further? Okay. We'll close public comment then. Councilmember Committee reports? Are there any?
03:47:17.71	Unknown	Seeing none on the diet.
03:47:19.23	Samara Cox	I will say I attended the MCCMC legislative committee meeting a week ago Monday at which Senator McGuire was a guest speaker and discussed with him Sausalito's concern about HCD's RENA allocation and the counting of
03:47:24.80	Unknown	uh,
03:47:40.44	Samara Cox	a portion of the GGNRA,
03:47:43.30	Samara Cox	Apologies for my use of acronyms at this late hour. I cannot tell you what they all stand for. Into Sausalito's potential housing territory. His legislative aide has reached out to get additional information from our community development department. So I want the community to know that we are concertedly following up on this challenge.
03:48:07.48	Kellen	Mayor, I just have two quick ones. Tomorrow I'm going up to Napa for the League of California Cities Senior Leadership Screen Committee Strategy Session.
03:48:19.58	Kellen	So represent North Bay, which is Sonoma, Marin, and Napa. And then I also last week had the opportunity to be a part of Marine County's Sea Level Rise Governance Committee. I'm trying to figure out how to put together multi-jurisdictional efforts and how we might pay for it. So that's going to be an ongoing committee for anybody who wants to pick that up.
03:48:39.39	city manager	Thank you. City Manager,
03:48:41.01	Unknown	Thank you.
03:48:41.03	city manager	report I'll be brief mayor and council members of the public two items one involving our sewer collection system in November of 2008 the Environmental Protection Agency in the city of Sausalito entered into a consent order which required the city to commit to reducing the volume and frequency of sewer spills and to maintain the collection system to prevent sewer spills sewage spills and so this past October our Public Works Department with our consultants in consultation with the Marin County Sanitary District prepared a letter which I signed and sent to the executive director of Region 9 enforcement director Amy Bowen she sent the letter back a month later to the day saying that the order has been lifted after 15 plus years. This is excellent news for Sausalito, and it cited the city's commitment to record keeping and compliance and knowing what it said it would do. So after all this time, that administrative order isn't in effect for Sausalito anymore.
03:49:42.01	city manager	now. So that's good news. So I want to share that with you in the community and thank Kevin and his team and prior administrations and councils that did the work from 2008 forward to get in the good graces of the Environmental Protection Agency. The second thing is I just wanted to make sure that the public heard that the Bridgeway grant will be discussed at the Pedestrian Bicycle Advisory Committee on December the 9th, which is a Monday. So that will be posted, and people will have an opportunity to weigh in on that. And then it will come back to the council in some form that I need to be clear on in the future. So that's my report. Thank you.
03:50:22.44	city manager	future agenda items.
03:50:23.73	Unknown	From anyone that's very common.
03:50:25.21	Kellen	Thank you. I have a few. So one is potentially a future agenda item. I asked the city manager to enlist Katie's help and WRT to take a different lens on what is happening around Bridgeway instead of looking at it just as a traffic median issue. What can we do there that's more of a resilience project? And is there an opportunity to a raised multi-use bike path that also actually accommodates the bike lane and serves as a seawall so I don't know if we have an answer on that but I know city manager and Katie are working on that also want to remind us the machine shop mayor you and I were supposed to meet with them they canceled the meeting on us I know, you reached out to GSA. That's supposed to go on the auction block in March. So I don't know if we have to agendize it or if leadership wants to take care of that. I also want to mention, it's a small thing, but I'm just very curious. So maybe it makes the agenda. There's a kiosk down by, sorry, by the ferry landing. It is on city property, but it is, quote, owned by the chamber. I don't understand that. There's got to be a lease. How cool would it be to have a coffee shop down there? I'll take all revenue that I can get. Also, I would love to see the Hillside Ordinance, something happening with that, or at least see it agendized. And then the last is it may be time to revisit the business license tax. So those are my things.
03:51:53.57	Unknown	Anyone else? Council Member Bustin?
03:51:56.76	Samara Cox	Thank you.
03:51:57.22	Unknown	Thank you.
03:51:57.23	Samara Cox	Anyone?
03:51:57.47	Unknown	Thank you.
03:51:57.70	Unknown	Okay. We'll close future agenda.
03:51:59.59	Samara Cox	The hotel that we talked about earlier, putting a further discussion on our agenda of revenue
03:52:07.07	Samara Cox	producing measures, including a more robust conversation about where a hotel or hotels could be cited and what capacities they might have.
03:52:18.34	Unknown	Thank you, Vice Mayor. So public comment, please, on any of those items. Mr. City Clerk.
03:52:26.14	Mary Sobieski	Anybody in-house and anybody on Zoom? Seeing none.
03:52:35.44	Mary Sobieski	Thank you.
03:52:35.45	Unknown	Okay?
03:52:36.16	Unknown	Okay, we'll close public comment and we will move now to adjourn. Thank you very much, everyone, and we'll see you again in two weeks.
03:52:43.28	Unknown	Enjoy the rest of the holiday season.
03:52:45.46	Kellen	And everybody knows that tree lighting is
03:52:48.25	Unknown	Street lighting is Thursday.
03:52:49.29	Kellen	And the city employee holiday party is next Thursday. They look 12th.
03:52:57.31	Unknown	Adjourned.
03:53:00.97	Kellen	.
03:53:02.69	Kellen	Thank you.
03:53:02.96	Kellen	and the other ones.

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