Planning Commission Jan 25, 2023

Planning Commission Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:00:01	None: None	The meeting is called to order by Chair Luxembourg. It is January 25th, 2023 planning commission meeting. (00:00:44)	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:00:57	1: CALL TO ORDER	Chair Luxenberg called the meeting to order, noting it was being held telephonically via Zoom due to the declared state of emergency and broadcast live on the city's website (00:00:57). Roll call was taken, with all commissioners present (00:01:42). The next item was approval of the agenda (00:01:45).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:01:51	2: APPROVAL OF AGENDA	Commissioner Fellock made a motion to approve the agenda (00:01:51), which was seconded by Commissioner Fellock (00:01:56). Chair Luxenberg called the roll, and each commissioner (Saad, Graff, Feller, Junius, and Luxenberg) voted in favor. (00:02:02-00:02:14) The motion passed unanimously (00:02:14).	Motion to approve the agenda (00:01:51). The motion passed unanimously (00:02:14).	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:02:23	3: PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS NOT ON THIS AGENDA	Chair Luxembourg opened the floor for public comments on items not on the agenda. Chair Luxenberg provided instructions to the public, stating that comments are limited to two minutes per speaker and explained how to raise their hand in the Zoom application (00:02:28). Antonella Olivia inquired about making a comment regarding a tree, but was informed by Chair Luxembourg that the item was on the agenda and would be addressed later (00:03:42). Seeing no further comments, the item was closed (00:03:53).	No Motion	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:03:29 Antonella Olivia was Neutral: Inquired about commenting on a tree-related issue. Was informed that the topic is on the agenda and will be addressed later.
00:04:06	4: APPROVAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES	Due to staff unavailability, the minutes from the previous meeting were not available for approval. The minutes from the previous meeting, along with the minutes from the current meeting, will be presented for a vote at the next meeting (00:04:06). The chair requested that the minutes be presented at the next regular Planning Commission meeting, not the joint meeting on Monday (00:04:25). Commissioners then declared any ex parte communications regarding agenda items. Commissioner Fellock drove by several properties, including Buchanan Avenue, South Slito Boulevard, and Santa Rosa, but did not speak to anyone. She is also within 1000 feet of several sites related to item 5C and item 6C (00:04:55). Commissioner Tsai also visited Buchanan, Saucedo Boulevard, and Santa Rosa without engaging in any correspondence. She is within 500 feet of site 52 and within 1000 feet of site 47 regarding item 5C (00:06:11). Commissioner Graff has no ex parte communications but will recuse himself from discussing sites 52 and 47 due to being within 500 feet (00:06:58). Vice Chair Junius reported no ex parte communications and is not within 1000 feet of any properties (00:07:27). Chair Luxembourg visited 145 Santa Rosa Boulevard, 118-120 Buchanan, and 215 Sausalito Boulevard, and 265 Gate 5 Road with no ex parte communications. She is not within a thousand feet of any opportunity sites (00:07:33). The chair then initiated a discussion regarding the preference for Zoom, hybrid, or in-person meetings while virtual meetings are still allowed (00:08:43).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:10:07	5.A: Zoom Meetings	The commission discussed the use of Zoom meetings versus hybrid meetings, and the implications of AB 2449, which allows for remote participation under specific circumstances after the expiration of AB 360 at the end of February 2023. (00:11:18) Chair Luxembourg explained the requirements of AB 2449, including the need for a quorum in a physical location, public access to remote locations if not participating via Zoom, and limitations on the number of remote meetings per year. (00:11:47) The commissioners expressed a preference for continuing with Zoom meetings until in-person meetings could resume for all members. (00:10:15) Commissioner Feller believed the hybrid format was disruptive. (00:10:24) Commissioner Graff thought they should stick with Zoom until everyone could meet in person. (00:10:50) Vice Chair Junius concurred. (00:11:06) Chair Luxembourg confirmed that a vote was not needed to continue with Zoom meetings (00:15:25) and opened the floor for public comment.	No Motion	1 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:16:14 Sandra Bushmaker was In Favor: Expressed relief that Zoom meetings would continue for public participation even after February, which provides easier access than requiring in-person attendance.
00:24:31	5.C: Review of Housing Element (Recommendation on Revisions to HCD Review Draft)	Commissioners Fellock and Saab presented a review of the Housing Element, focusing on revisions to the HCD Review Draft. The purpose was for the Planning Commission to endorse a comprehensive housing element plan reflective of the General Plan, state legislation, public comment, and industry best practices, for City Council approval and submission to the state HCD by the statutory deadline. The presentation provided background on the Housing Element Working Group and the Housing Element Advisory Committee (HEAC), emphasizing public input and the virtual binder available on the city website. They went through the different elements, 31 in total, including opportunity sites. Beth from DeNovo consultants discussed proposed modifications to accommodate the regional housing need allocation (RHNA), including modifying site overlays and adjusting income assumptions. Specific sites were recommended for removal (Lisa Wittmann site 52 at City Hall due to City Services needed, and site 14 old fire station site due to fire risk), modification (Site 47 and 84), and addition (Altamira site, 2660 Bridgeway, and the real Napa parking lot). Overall, a surplus of 94 units was maintained, with the City exceeding its allocation across all income levels. They reviewed verbal comments received from HCD, which included infrastructure considerations, program four revisions, development standards, residential care facilities, reasonable accommodation processes, and sea level rise issues (00:47:41). The proposed amendments included preparing an EIR, Objective Design and Development Standards, Single Family Objective Design and Development Standards (SB9), and proposed site inventory list amendments. Public comments were then heard. During the discussion, Vice Chair Junius expressed concern about removing sites and questioned the need to prioritize office space over housing in the Marinship (01:02:53). Commissioner Graff inquired about the meaning of 'reasonable accommodation' (01:00:55).	Commissioner Fellock moved to approve the comprehensive plan as presented. Chair Luxembourg seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously. (00:57:35)	9 Total: 3 In Favor 2 Against 4 Neutral
01:06:05 Keith Diggs was Against: Expressed deep concern about removing site capacity during a housing crisis. He raised concerns about the lack of formal written comment from the HCD and adherence to government code requirements for adopting revised draft housing elements, including a seven-day public comment period. He warned of potential litigation if the process isn't followed correctly. 01:08:19 Jenny Silva was Against: Criticized the timing and process of the revisions to the site inventory, calling them substantial and questionable. She argued that there was no new information to justify the changes, the HIAC was not properly consulted, and the proposed revisions differ from what was submitted to HCD. She expressed that thanking the HIAC felt like a 'slap in the face'. 01:10:41 Chris Sullivan was Neutral: Complimented the efforts but questioned the legality of the rezoning process without adhering to the seven-day public comment period as required by Section 65585. He worried that applications under the new rules could be challenged in court if the housing element was not legally adopted. 01:15:28 Sybil Boutier was In Favor: Expressed support for the plan and emphasized the need for senior housing, advocating for continuing care communities. She corrected a misunderstanding about noise levels in a specific area and clarified information regarding group homes and reasonable accommodations. 01:18:36 Peter McGuire was In Favor: Representing homeowners in the area of 66 Marion, he expressed gratitude that the planning commission was removing this location as an opportunity site. 01:19:56 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: Expressed appreciation for the work done to meet the deadline and the importance of local control. She stated her position of no housing south of Harbor Drive in the Marin ship, mentioned her letter not making it to public record, expressed unrealistic demands of HCD, and wanted clarification for HCD date changes. 01:22:10 John DeRay was Neutral: Representing the Sausalito Working Waterfront Coalition, he thanked the commission, noted that the HIAC membership size was small and that his organization represented a large number of people. Mentioned that some property owners had never been contacted by DeNovo and expressed interest in housing. He corrected an HCD comment about Galilee Harbor, noting it's a floating home community unaffected by sea level rise. 01:24:36 Carlito Berg was Neutral: Representative of sites 67 and 68. Thanked the committee for having this meeting, but expressed that there have been claims about the legal inadequacies of the process so far. Expressed personal feelings for senior care and how senior care is a human need in society. 01:27:00 Craig Merrilees was In Favor: Expressed gratitude to everyone involved, stating they would continue to push for senior housing. Reminded the room that surveys show a lot of seniors would rather remain at home. Acknowledges that it's a difficult call and the process tried to look at all the sites and come up with the best one.
01:39:59	6: PUBLIC HEARING	The public hearing for 118 to 120 Buchanan was opened by Chair Luxenberg. Kristin Taiki presented a verbal report, noting the receipt of three late emails from Antonetta Olivia (01:41:22). The applicant, Steve Clements representing Crandy Real Estate, seeks a permit to remove a coast live oak. An arborist report indicates the tree is healthy but could cause damage if it falls (01:43:07). Staff recommends denial of the permit, but the property owners of 127 Tamales informed staff of a shared sewer lateral potentially impacted by the tree. Staff suggests a continuance for an updated arborist report and sewer pipe assessment (01:46:11). Chair Luxembourg thanked Kristin and Director Phipps for the report. The applicant was not present and the public comment period was opened (01:48:25).	Motion to continue the item to a date uncertain, request additional information from the arborist, including any history of maintenance to the tree, and to request any information abutters have on their underground piping or sewer lines that they can provide that might support this application request. (02:09:50)	2 Total: 2 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
01:49:24 Antonella Olivia was In Favor: Antonella Olivia presented a slideshow on behalf of multiple residents, arguing the tree poses a hazard, obstructs sunlight, and causes mental distress (01:50:00). She stated the arborist report supports the removal. She highlighted the tree's lean towards neighboring properties and its proximity to a sewer line (01:51:24). She requested the removal permit be granted, and stated that the city should take full responsibility if the decision is negative (01:54:32). 01:55:37 Bob Gibran was In Favor: Bob Gibran, homeowner of 125 Tomales, said he has lost two trees on the slope in the past 10 years and fears this tree will also fall (01:55:37). He mentioned deteriorated pipes underneath the ground and a past lawsuit against the city regarding sewage issues (01:57:24). He expressed concern about who would be responsible if the tree falls and emphasized the desire for fair treatment and peace of mind (01:58:48).
02:11:20	6.B: 215 Sausalito Boulevard - Driveway with no Residence | Design Review, Encroachment Agreement, Tree Removal Permit | Project ID 2022-00203 | APN 065-073-04 | Kristin Teiche, Principal Planner	Kristin Taiki presents the item, noting that five late mail communications were received and forwarded to the commission (02:11:34). The project requires tree removal permits, design review, and an encroachment agreement to remove 23 trees (7 unprotected, 16 protected) in the rights-of-way and on-site (02:12:00). An additional tree is on 107-109 Marion Avenue (02:12:11). The proposal includes grading and retaining walls, but no residential structures (02:12:20). The site is an undeveloped, steeply sloping parcel (02:13:09). The application was deemed incomplete by city departments, but the applicant requested the public hearing proceed (02:13:49). The application is to construct accessory structures (driveway and retaining walls) without a proposed primary use (02:14:23). Staff finds the scope of work circumvents the design review process (02:14:55). The project is inconsistent with the Sausalito General Plan and has design deficiencies noted by the fire department (02:15:35). Staff recommends denial due to non-compliance with municipal code and lack of evidence supporting the project's findings of conditions (02:18:38). Chair Luxembourg commends the thoroughness of the staff report (02:18:50). Commissioner Tsai asks if there were any further updates from the fire department to the notice of incomplete (02:19:24). Kristin Taiki responds that no new information was provided (02:19:46). The chair notes problems with some public mail comments and checks for the applicant, Mr. Sullivan (02:20:10). Mr. Sullivan presents his case, stating his goal is to build a home for his family (02:22:26). He argues the lot was created in 2016, is zoned for medium to high density and a prior permit existed (02:23:01). The application is to build a home, either a dual-family plus an ADU, or a single-family plus two small ADUs (02:24:22). He mentions a lot purchase agreement in June 2018 (02:24:32). He states that after contacting neighbors last April, most feedback opposed adding parking on Sausalito Boulevard (02:26:30). He reports receiving letters of support from some neighbors, but also noted concerns from others (02:27:26). Mr. Sullivan claims the driveway is not an accessory structure (02:30:36). He asserts the need for access to the lot and addresses view concerns from neighbors, stating the proposed driveway would be part of any good design (02:31:21). He claims that the design is good for any house (02:35:52). Staff was not responsive to requests to meet (02:36:23). He says the average permitting time for a single family home is 6.8 years. (02:38:52) The chair asks about the house plans and design specifics, noting the need for a complete application (02:39:46). The applicant responds that the proposal involves so much elapsed time (02:41:30). The chair notes there is a history of people building driveways and then not being able to afford the home (02:43:24). Commissioner Graff feels the process is not being followed correctly (02:45:18). Commissioner Feller states what the applicant intends to do is clear but needs to focus on his project and no one elses (02:45:56).	Motion to support the staff recommendation of denial (03:16:07)	7 Total: 0 In Favor 6 Against 1 Neutral
02:57:11 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: A neighbor, she expresses concerns about traffic, narrowness of the road, and hill stability. She supports clearing some of the dense foliage (02:58:01). 02:59:45 Michelle Dumont was Against: A neighbor, she expresses concerns about the steep slope and the excessive excavation, fearing destabilization of the hill and surrounding homes (03:00:21). She suggests considering parking off Sausalito Boulevard (03:01:35). 03:02:42 Hunter Hancock was Against: A neighbor, he expresses concerns about the aesthetic impact of a large retaining wall, preferring a more natural look and stating the plans are unresponsive to his concerns (03:03:06). He suggests alternatives like stairs or a hill elevator (03:05:17). 03:06:15 Unknown Speaker (Hancock) was Against: Expresses concerns about hillside collapse, increased traffic, and the removal of too many trees, suggesting preserving the good trees (03:06:15). 03:07:04 Jeffrey Stafford was Against: A neighbor and licensed architect, he is skeptical of the project's ambition and the split application process, feeling there's a lack of due diligence (03:07:29). He believes the current site plan doesn't work and that more appropriate, less impactful access solutions exist (03:08:00). 03:10:47 Stacey Cray was Against: A neighbor, she expresses concerns about views, hillside movement, and the potential for an incomplete project (03:11:02). She advocates for a site visit and suggests considering a hillivator (03:11:57). She stresses that the project should have a building plan and all the necessary data, so not to end up with just a driveway, erosion and a useless site. 03:13:15 Mr. Dixon was Against: A directly impacted neighbor, states that the most important think is the minimal impact on the urban fabric (03:13:46) He believes the setback to his property should be 15 foot at the minimum and thinks the proposed driveway is unnecessary for the property (03:15:05).
03:25:14	6.C: 145 Santa Rosa Boulevard | Tree Removal Permit | Project ID 2022-00214 | APN 065-151-13 | Ariana Mariscal, Assistant Planner	The item concerns a tree removal permit application for five heritage trees at 145 Santa Rosa Boulevard. Kristin Taiki presented the staff report, noting the applicant seeks to remove the trees due to some leaning over a neighbor's house and others being within a future ADU footprint. The arborist report indicates that two trees have structural issues, while the other three are healthy but located within the proposed ADU's footprint. Staff recommends approving the removal of the two trees with structural issues and preserving the other three until an ADU application is formally filed. Ms. Hensley, the applicant, clarified that they were unaware of the need to submit the ADU application with the tree removal application and were hoping to get approval for the trees before proceeding with the ADU application (03:29:14). She said they would work with SAC on replacment tree species (03:32:25). Tom Akalvar, the architect, mentioned that they have an intake meeting scheduled for the ADU application (03:30:27). Commissioner Tsai inquired whether the tree removal was related to existing plans for a significant expansion, to which Ms. Hensley responded negatively, citing the health of the trees as the primary reason (03:31:52). There was discussion about the possibility of requiring tree replacement even under ministerial review for the ADU, and whether the tree fund could be used in lieu of replacement if a replacement is not possible (03:34:54). Kristin Taiki mentioned the arborist report recommended Island Oak, Corcus tomentella, or Coast Live Oak, Corcus agorifolia (03:35:26).	Commissioner Fellock motioned to accept the staff report recommendations to allow the removal of Tree 1 and Tree 2, and identify their replacement and planting at a suitable time where it is not going to interfere with any other construction on the site so they can thrive and be successful (03:41:42). She also motioned that the replacement trees be a larger like 25 gallon or larger type specimen and not a tiny sapling, and to deny the other three trees until such time as we understand what is being built on the footprint where those trees exist (03:42:22). Seconded. Motion Carries (03:45:03).	1 Total: 0 In Favor 1 Against 0 Neutral
03:38:14 Jerome Levine Derbien was Against: A neighbor at 136 Spencer, agrees with the recommendation to delay approval until the construction project is understood. They feel the application is part of a larger project being handled separately and request the applications be reviewed together to understand the full impact on the neighborhood.
03:45:25	7: STUDY SESSION	This study session focused on the project at 265 Gate 5 Road. Cecilia Jaroslavsky, the contract planner, presented the site's context, mentioning its industrial marine ship ownership and the mix of residential, commercial, and industrial uses in the area. The project had been previously reviewed by the planning commission, who requested corrections and clarifications regarding compliance with the general plan and the Marinship specific plan. The applicant submitted three additional design options, and Jaroslavsky presented the floor plans. She reviewed plan options B, C, and D, which included a more consolidated service core, elimination of open space on level two, reduction of the east-west wing, and a reduction of the parking lot overhang. All options meet zoning requirements and would require a design review permit. Chair Luxembourg wanted to allow the applicant to present and for commissioners to interrupt with questions throughout the presentation to make it more of a working session, and not take a vote at the end of the item. (03:49:08) Matt from the applicant team, then presented the project in more detail, highlighting responses to previous planning hearing feedback, including meeting with the sea level rise task force and receiving approval (13:50:58). The presentation justified the two-level building and material choices, noting the shardwood is the same as one approved for another project (03:51:51). Matt emphasized the importance of the Marinship's aesthetic and social value of small-scale activities, its history, and the need to provide a thriving space for Marinship Studios. They also addressed promoting industrial development, scale, architectural diversity, and the need for a sustainable public realm, addressing sea level rise concerns with a FEMA-required 11-foot finished floor level. Matt then went through the four design options in detail; A, B, C, and D. There was some discussion of the materials (shardwood and corrugated metal) being proposed (03:51:51), and the intent of the window openings (04:05:08) and pedestrian access (03:59:19). Commissioner Fellock asked why the access corridor aligned with the side of the Clipper Yacht Harbor building (04:10:46), to which Matt explained that the hope was to demolish it in the future and it provided a view out to the bay (04:11:34). During the commissioner discussion, Commissioner Graff said she was expecting different approaches, but she said Option D was the best. (04:27:26) She is becoming more amenable to the aesthetic and said the option was a good move (04:31:48). Commissioner Tsai stated that they were headed in the right direction and leaned towards Option D. (04:32:59) Commissioner Feller commented that she was unsure if original feedback was taken, and said it was unclear where the front door is (04:37:55). She liked Option C's windows (04:38:54) but didn't like the metal covering (04:39:10). Chair Luxembourg thought the pedestrian access was good and the wood on the first floor was good (04:41:34). She thought options C and D were improvements and they needed to get the metal off the windows. Commissioners agreed that the monolithic design is what they are objecting to, and felt it created a mass effect to the building. They said they loved the idea of the artist studios but the architecture was getting in the way of the use, and felt they needed to provide better light by not covering the windows. Takashi from the applicant team explained some of the reasoning behind the monolithic design, including the needs of artists for windowless spaces and using the design as a nod to the shipbuilding history of the area (05:03:40). He also said that high ceilings were in response to sea level rise (05:03:00). Max Hausseger, the client, said he felt the residential side at Varta Landing was pleasing to the eye (05:08:41). He said people didn't want food traffic, tourists or retail, they like light industrial (05:08:47). He said it was a conscious choice not to make it look like an office building (05:09:55). Chair Luxembourg reiterated they were objecting to the monolithic design, not the square footage (05:12:35). Commissioner Feller requested photos of built buildings using the screening mashrabiyah materials (05:15:34).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:26:51	8: COMMUNICATIONS	Chair Luxembourg notes that the meeting is starting at 3:00 PM. Commissioner Tsai confirms the time.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:26:57	9: ADJOURNMENT	The meeting is adjourned with the next meeting scheduled for Monday at 3 o'clock (05:26:58).	Motion to adjourn the meeting, seconded, and approved by all members. (05:27:00)	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

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Time	Speaker	Text
00:00:01.40	Chair Luxembourg	Very good.
00:00:01.42	Mr. Dixon	Very good.
00:00:02.95	Chair Luxembourg	Maria, I think we have everybody, including Brendan and Sergio. So do we wanna proceed with to start at 6.30? Are we all set?
00:00:18.20	Jenny Silva	Recording in progress.
00:00:20.06	Jenny Silva	Let me let the public in and
00:00:22.25	Jenny Silva	I hand it over to you guys.
00:00:24.31	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
00:00:25.45	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Marika.
00:00:42.98	Christina Fellock	Okay, the public is in.
00:00:44.94	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Maria. Welcome everybody. This is the January 25th, 2023 planning commission meeting. With that, can Brandon, can you do call to order?
00:00:57.66	Chair Luxenberg	Chair Luxenberg, certainly, thank you. And just some opening remarks before we begin. Good evening, planning commissioners and members of the public. This regular meeting is being held pursuant to government code section 54953, subsection B, and in light of the declared state of emergency, the regular meeting of the planning commission on January 25, 2023 will be conducted telephonically through Zoom and broadcast live on the city's website. With that, I will move to call roll.
00:01:25.00	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:01:25.15	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Hassan.
00:01:27.53	Michelle Dumont	Here?
00:01:29.23	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Kraft.
00:01:30.26	Michelle Dumont	Hal Hallstein, Here.
00:01:31.98	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner.
00:01:32.98	Chair Luxenberg	That's all right.
00:01:34.26	Michelle Dumont	Thank you.
00:01:34.28	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:01:35.38	Chair Luxenberg	Vice Chair Junius.
00:01:36.98	Chair Luxenberg	Present.
00:01:38.63	Chair Luxenberg	and Sherlockson.
00:01:39.98	Chair Luxenberg	here.
00:01:42.19	Chair Luxenberg	All commissioners are present.
00:01:45.65	Chair Luxembourg	Uh, thank you. Uh, next item is approval of the agenda.
00:01:51.96	Christina Fellock	I'll make a motion to approve.
00:01:54.33	Chair Luxembourg	Is there a second?
00:01:56.79	Christina Fellock	I'll second.
00:01:58.98	Chair Luxembourg	Good.
00:01:59.34	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:01:59.98	Chair Luxembourg	Can we call?
00:02:01.03	Chair Luxenberg	world.
00:02:02.00	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:02:02.17	Chair Luxenberg	Yes, thank you, Chair. Commissioner Saad.
00:02:05.08	Unknown	Yes.
00:02:05.97	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Graff.
00:02:07.13	Unknown	Yeah.
00:02:07.27	Unknown	Thank you.
00:02:08.26	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Feller.
00:02:09.40	Unknown	Yes.
00:02:10.42	Chair Luxenberg	Vice Chair Junius.
00:02:11.93	Chair Luxenberg	Yes.
00:02:13.01	Chair Luxenberg	Chair Luxenberg.
00:02:14.02	Chair Luxenberg	Yes.
00:02:14.96	Chair Luxenberg	Motion passes unanimously.
00:02:16.19	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
00:02:16.65	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you. We might move on to public comments on items not on the agenda.
00:02:23.20	Chair Luxembourg	Director Phipps, can you give instructions to the public, please?
00:02:26.94	Chair Luxenberg	Yes, thank you, Chair.
00:02:28.28	Chair Luxenberg	This is the time for the Planning Commission to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. Except in very limited situations, state law precludes the Planning Commission from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the Planning Commission may refer matters not on the agenda to staff or direct the subject to be agendized at a future meeting. Video or public comment participation is limited to two minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application, and you will be called upon when it is your time to speak. To raise your hand from a frown, press star nine. Each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed. And just for the record, if we can reduce the timer from three minutes to two minutes, that would be appreciated.
00:03:15.63	Chair Luxenberg	Worst case scenario, we can stop members of the public at one minute. Okay, thank you for that, Maria.
00:03:24.93	Chair Luxembourg	I'm not seeing any members, are you seeing anybody?
00:03:29.65	Chair Luxembourg	Sorry, I...
00:03:29.70	Antonella Olivia	Thank you.
00:03:30.55	Antonella Olivia	Thank you.
00:03:30.78	Antonella Olivia	We don't see the hand here on our side, but it's the question also regarding the tree.
00:03:37.80	Antonella Olivia	Buchanan or this is a separate, you're taking separate comments on that tree.
00:03:42.66	Chair Luxembourg	Uh, and to know we're taking comments, uh, for items, not on the agenda. That item is on the agenda. So we'll have an opportunity to speak at that time.
00:03:47.24	Antonella Olivia	Okay.
00:03:48.91	Antonella Olivia	Okay. Thank you.
00:03:51.91	Antonella Olivia	Thank you very much.
00:03:53.09	Chair Luxembourg	Seeing none, Chair Lester.
00:03:55.10	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you. Let's move on to item four, the Planning Commission Minutes. I believe that those are going to be available for our next meeting. Is that correct?
00:04:06.17	Chair Luxenberg	Yeah, correct. Based on lack of staff availability of the particular staffer who generally puts together these minutes, we do not have them before you this evening, but the minutes from the previous meeting, in addition to the minutes from this meeting, will be provided at the following meeting for you to vote.
00:04:25.19	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah, so I could request that that be at the next regular meeting of the Planning Commission and not the joint meeting that will occur on Monday.
00:04:34.28	Chair Luxembourg	Certainly. Thank you, Chair.
00:04:35.13	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:04:35.75	Chair Luxenberg	you
00:04:35.77	Chair Luxembourg	you
00:04:36.85	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, we're now gonna move on to new business. Before we start any business this evening, I would like to have planning commissioners know any ex parte communications for any item on the agenda this evening. I'll go to commissioner Fellock.
00:04:55.26	Christina Fellock	Thank you, Chair Luxembourg. I just want to report that I did drive by several of the properties, including Buchanan Avenue.
00:05:05.45	Christina Fellock	the South Slito Boulevard,
00:05:07.98	Christina Fellock	And also Santa Rosa, although I did not speak to anybody and I did not see any of the owners. It was just my own.
00:05:15.48	Christina Fellock	doing my own homework,
00:05:17.89	Christina Fellock	I would also like to declare that regarding item 5C this evening,
00:05:23.88	Christina Fellock	I am within, I'm not within 500 feet of any of the subject properties, but I am within a thousand feet.
00:05:33.13	Christina Fellock	of sites 202 to 206 also known as 125 Bulkley
00:05:39.67	Christina Fellock	and also within sites 207 to
00:05:42.61	Christina Fellock	TO 10.
00:05:44.31	Christina Fellock	which are 911 to 917 Bridgeway, 931 to 933 Bridgeway,
00:05:51.20	Christina Fellock	and 927 Bridgeway.
00:05:53.98	Christina Fellock	I'm also within a thousand feet of item 6C 145 Santa Rosa Avenue.
00:06:02.07	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
00:06:03.11	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Feller. Commissioner Tsai.
00:06:09.20	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you, Chair.
00:06:11.77	Commissioner Tsai	Luxembourg, I did the same separately as Christina, but the same practice, I went by myself. I did not speak with the property owners, but I visited
00:06:20.76	Commissioner Tsai	Buchanan, Saucedo Boulevard,
00:06:24.00	Commissioner Tsai	Santa Rosa and had one more look down at
00:06:28.53	Commissioner Tsai	Gate 5.
00:06:29.79	Commissioner Tsai	I did not engage in any correspondence.
00:06:33.50	Commissioner Tsai	I also am within regarding item 5C I am within 500 feet of site 52 and I am also within 1000 feet of site 47 which is 300 locust.
00:06:49.42	Commissioner Tsai	And, um,
00:06:52.07	Commissioner Tsai	That is all I have to declare at this moment.
00:06:54.58	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Saad. Commissioner Grapp.
00:06:58.58	Commissioner Graff	No ex parte communications.
00:07:02.38	Commissioner Graff	Um,
00:07:03.43	Commissioner Graff	I am within 500 feet of
00:07:07.09	Commissioner Graff	site 52 city hall and site 47 on bridgeway nearby
00:07:12.27	Commissioner Graff	So those two items, I will recuse myself.
00:07:15.51	Commissioner Graff	during discussion of those.
00:07:18.24	Commissioner Graff	um
00:07:19.56	Commissioner Graff	Other than that, nothing else to declare.
00:07:22.14	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Graff. Vice Chair Juniors.
00:07:27.07	Vice Chair Junius	No ex parte communications and thankfully I'm not within the thousand foot radius of any of these properties.
00:07:33.65	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Vice Chair Junius. I myself looked at 145 Santa Rosa Boulevard, and the property owner, Peter Johnson, allowed me access to his backyard, but I had no ex parte communications. I did go to look at the 118-120 Buchanan, and I was given access from the property owner Antonella at 127 Tomales, but I didn't have any ex parte communications. And I also looked at the
00:08:09.42	Chair Luxembourg	other side on the agenda.
00:08:11.89	Chair Luxembourg	I'm sorry, let me just scroll down.
00:08:14.84	Chair Luxembourg	Oh.
00:08:16.92	Chair Luxembourg	The one
00:08:18.91	Chair Luxembourg	215 Sausalito Boulevard. I went by, but there obviously is a vacant lot, so did not talk to anybody, so there were no ex-parte communications there. And I also went by again, 265 Gate 5 Road and had no ex-parte.
00:08:34.20	Chair Luxembourg	I just looked at the site.
00:08:36.73	Chair Luxembourg	And I'm not within a thousand feet of any of the opportunity sites on the agenda this evening.
00:08:43.60	Chair Luxembourg	With that, that concludes the expert discussion. We're going to move on to 5A Zoom meetings. I put this on the agenda. This came out at the end of last meeting. The plan has been and continues to be, as long as we're legally allowed to provide Zoom meetings, we have been doing them. We're subject to both state emergency action and the city council to be able to hold Zoom meetings. I think in our case, given materials, doing a hybrid meeting of some in city hall and some on Zoom makes it hard to see some of the materials. So my recommendation would be to continue Zoom meetings till we can't and then go in person when we're required to but not to attempt to do hybrid meetings but i'd like to survey uh commissioners on their preference as well but my permission uh we're going to get to a discussion of permanent meetings in a minute, but before we do that, your preferences on given three choices, either Zoom meetings, hybrid meetings, or in-person meetings while we're allowed to do virtual meetings, what is your preference? So I'll start with Commissioner Saad.
00:10:07.13	Commissioner Tsai	At this point, I would prefer to stick with a Zoom meeting and agree that a hybrid meeting would be a bit
00:10:15.46	Commissioner Tsai	distracting. So I prefer to sit with a Zoom meeting until further notice.
00:10:20.86	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you, Commissioner Saad, Commissioner Feller.
00:10:24.68	Christina Fellock	Thank you chair, I would prefer zoom meetings at this time I believe the hybrid format is is a little bit disruptive and it's very difficult. Particularly during public comment to either see exhibits or understand folks in in the city hall hearing room, so I think we need to stick with zoom for now.
00:10:47.85	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you very much. Commissioner Grapp.
00:10:50.73	Commissioner Graff	I concur. I think we should stick with the Zoom meetings.
00:10:56.71	Commissioner Graff	until we can all meet in person. And then I think we should do that.
00:11:00.67	Commissioner Graff	So yeah.
00:11:01.11	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
00:11:01.80	Commissioner Graff	Stay with us.
00:11:03.17	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Graff, Commissioner Junius.
00:11:06.22	Vice Chair Junius	I concur. Let's stick with the Zoom meetings until we should be all meeting in person.
00:11:11.34	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you. With that consensus, we'll continue to do that. I do need to make everybody aware of the following.
00:11:18.91	Chair Luxembourg	The Zoom meetings are a result of AB 360, which was adopted in 2021 under an emergency order both from the legislature and emergency order by Governor Newsom due to the COVID outbreak, which allowed virtual meetings so as not to spread the disease. That order is slated to end at the end of February, 2023, although that could change depending on the conditions at the end of February.
00:11:47.01	Chair Luxembourg	However, in anticipation of that, the California legislature adopted AB 2449, which took effect on January 1st, 2023. So just a few weeks ago, beginning with January 1st, 2023, AB 2449 allows individual board members to participate in meetings remotely only during quote unquote emergency circumstances, such as a physical or family emergency or for just cause, including child care, caregiver needs, contagious illness, a disability, or travel on an official agency business. This is an additional way in addition to the teleconference rules that were in effect under government code section 54.953, and those exist as well, but if you work remotely, you have to post that at your remote location, allow the public to access your remote location
00:12:52.30	Chair Luxembourg	location. The intent of this new law is to make those things a little bit simpler. However, it has a number of new rules, and I'll quickly run through them, and you all can, at your leisure, look up 2449. You have to have at least a quorum of the board to participate in the meeting in a single physical location. In our case, that would be City city hall the agenda must have an option for members of the public to participate in the meeting remotely by phone or internet in addition to public participation at city hall so the public will still be able to go through zoom but members will have to we'll have to have at least three members there uh commission members using AB 2449 must notify the city at the earliest opportunity, even at the start of the meeting as possible. A separate request and disclosure is required for each meeting. The disclosure must include a general description of the need to participate remotely, provided they don't need to disclose any medical diagnosis or disability or personal medical information. At the meeting before any action is taken, the board member must publicly disclose whether there are any adults present in the room with the board member and the general nature of that person's relationship to the board member.
00:14:15.71	Chair Luxembourg	The board member must participate remotely by audio and video if you're using AB 2449. A board member may only participate remotely for just cause for two meetings per calendar year, so a maximum of two meetings. In addition, you can't participate under that statute for more than three consecutive months. And if the broadcast of the meeting is interrupted for any reason, and so call-in or internet options are not available, we cannot take any further action. So those are the new rules. Once we're meeting in person, again, we're still under the Zoom meeting, but I wanted you to all be aware of this new law, just cause it will affect the next item on the agenda. So as you look at the proposed meeting calendar, realize that if you have to do a meeting remotely, it's a maximum of two for just cause, and you can combine that with the emergency thing, but I mean, just practically speaking, just keep that in mind.
00:15:25.09	Chair Luxembourg	With that, I don't think we need a vote. We're doing Zoom meetings, we'll continue to do that. So I don't think we need to have a vote to do that. Let me just ask questions, Sergio. One, I don't think we need a vote because that's where we're at and we're not changing anything. And number two, I should pick public comments on this item, is that correct?
00:15:47.26	Sergio	Yes, you should take public comment. And no, I don't believe you need a vote to continue Zoom meetings.
00:15:51.85	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you very much. With that, I would like to open it up for public comment. If you can raise your hand in the Zoom application.
00:16:00.62	Chair Luxembourg	Oh.
00:16:02.29	Chair Luxembourg	I'll scram through this. I'm seeing one hand.
00:16:06.85	Chair Luxembourg	Sandra Bushmaker, the floor is yours for up to three minutes. Thank you.
00:16:14.76	Sandra Bushmaker	Well, I'm not going to take all that time. Good evening, Commissioners. I'm relieved to find out that you're going to still have Zoom meetings for the public.
00:16:22.27	Sandra Bushmaker	even after the end of February. So I'm very relieved because that gives the public an opportunity to participate
00:16:31.13	Sandra Bushmaker	more easily than
00:16:33.12	Sandra Bushmaker	than before when it was all required to be in person.
00:16:36.45	Sandra Bushmaker	So I'd really encourage that. I'm glad to hear it.
00:16:39.79	Sandra Bushmaker	And I thank you for allowing that to proceed. Thank you.
00:16:45.31	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you for your comments this evening.
00:16:48.01	Chair Luxembourg	With that, we will move on to item 5B, the proposed meeting calendar for 2023. I will turn it over to
00:16:57.81	Chair Luxembourg	Director Phipps to share his screen and show that schedule.
00:17:02.91	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you chair. Give me one moment to share screen.
00:17:06.67	Commissioner Saad	Mm-hmm.
00:17:10.25	Chair Luxenberg	And here we are. This is the proposed planning commission meeting schedule as recommended by staff. I'm not sure, Chair Luxburg, if there was any particular method with which you wanted to review this. You know, the largest summary that we can get is this sheet here.
00:17:32.14	Chair Luxembourg	uh that that would be great i want to flag for the commissioners that normally we were meeting first and third uh wednesdays of the month but the city councils decided to meet first and third tuesdays of the month depending on the month so we've uh the general rule was we're not going to meet in the same week as they are unless uh for another you know this week we are but and if we can avoid it, we're trying to avoid that. So the calendar has been set up to do that. And the other highlight was one meeting in December, no meetings in August, that's the same as 2022. And then certain months, the first Tuesday and the first Wednesday are in different weeks. So we had to adjust to that. So if anybody wants to go back to any particular dates or any, we also have, we're suggesting three meetings in March because we were doing them every two weeks. So we could take out the March 29th if people felt that was too much for March.
00:18:37.80	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
00:18:38.10	Chair Luxembourg	But with that, I will open it up for any questions of any commissioner, actually just a show of hands rather than going around on this.
00:18:48.68	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
00:18:49.19	Christina Fellock	The guy said he didn't know.
00:18:50.83	Christina Fellock	So I have my hand up here, Chair Luxembourg.
00:18:53.64	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you. I didn't see that. Commissioner Fallon.
00:18:57.44	Christina Fellock	I would be ready to make a motion to approve the schedule. I just want to make a quick comment.
00:19:03.53	Christina Fellock	and something for consideration of
00:19:06.13	Christina Fellock	my fellow commissioners but also the staff and that is
00:19:09.76	Christina Fellock	Even on the heels of submitting the housing element to the state, there's a lot of additional work coming up for the Planning Commission and City Council this calendar year. And so we should look and try to reserve some joint hearings and meetings and special meetings with them to discuss issues regarding ordinances. Because that's going to be a very heavy lift and we should try to reserve that time early rather than last minute. Otherwise, I'm ready to make a motion to approve.
00:19:41.16	Chair Luxembourg	Uh, commissioner follow that comment as well. Appreciate it. And you should allow for as we're doing next week, but we will need, we will need some other meetings as well. You are correct. So that's a good comment. I will entertain a motion. That would be helpful.
00:19:47.20	Mr. Dixon	That's where
00:19:56.86	Sergio	And chair, if I may interject here,
00:19:59.30	Unknown	I'm not.
00:20:00.28	Sergio	So as I understand it, one of the
00:20:02.63	Sergio	precipitating factors in the planning commission schedule.
00:20:06.66	Sergio	was the City Council changing schedule the first and third Tuesday of
00:20:10.88	Sergio	as it's regular meeting time.
00:20:13.29	Sergio	Unfortunately, I have a conflict with that meeting schedule. So I will be requesting the City Council change those times.
00:20:20.04	Sergio	So,
00:20:21.92	Sergio	you know, as a,
00:20:23.06	Sergio	practical matter, that will be something that will probably be coming before the Council.
00:20:27.97	Sergio	sometime in the next week or two.
00:20:33.12	Sergio	TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO ADOPT THE SCHEDULE NOW, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU FOLKS KNOW THAT YOU MAY NEED TO REVISE IT AT A FUTURE DATE.
00:20:39.38	Chair Luxembourg	Right.
00:20:42.44	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Sergio. I guess until they do change it, we're sort of at their mercy, so to speak. So I would suggest we adopt the schedule and then if we need to, we'll agendize and adjust accordingly, as we've had to for this month anyway.
00:21:01.13	Chair Luxembourg	Let's see how it goes.
00:21:04.24	Chair Luxembourg	All right.
00:21:05.39	Christina Fellock	So I'm happy to make a motion to approve the calendar as published here. Of course, taking into account this might change due to what Sergio has just mentioned, but I think we should go ahead and approve this tonight.
00:21:18.67	Christina Fellock	Uh,
00:21:18.68	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Chair Feller. Is there a second?
00:21:21.67	Unknown	How do we answer?
00:21:23.44	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
00:21:23.54	Unknown	Bye.
00:21:23.69	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
00:21:24.22	Unknown	We looked at the city council work.
00:21:26.53	Unknown	Yeah.
00:21:26.88	Christina Fellock	Well,
00:21:27.66	Christina Fellock	Maria?
00:21:29.60	Christina Fellock	Maria?
00:21:29.90	Vice Chair Junius	Yeah.
00:21:31.31	Christina Fellock	Maria, we can hear you.
00:21:34.34	Chair Luxembourg	Second.
00:21:36.42	Chair Luxembourg	Wait, who seconded?
00:21:38.68	Commissioner Tsai	I seconded originally if you guys heard me after.
00:21:41.60	Chair Luxembourg	Okay.
00:21:42.14	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
00:21:42.26	Commissioner Tsai	Commissioner Fowler.
00:21:43.54	Chair Luxembourg	All right, I didn't hear you, but I now hear you. So let's go back to yours since it was first. Can you take a roll call, Director Phipps?
00:21:54.63	Chair Luxenberg	Certainly, thank you, Chair. Commissioner Saad.
00:21:57.60	Commissioner Saad	Yeah.
00:21:57.95	Unknown	Thank you.
00:21:58.78	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Grapp? Yes. Commissioner Feller?
00:22:02.09	Ms. Hensley	Yes.
00:22:03.32	Chair Luxenberg	Vice Chair Juniors.
00:22:05.83	Chair Luxenberg	Chair Luxenberg? Yes. Motion passes. Thank you.
00:22:09.56	Chair Luxembourg	All right, next item on the agenda is review of the housing element, recommendation on element and the CEQA exemption. For this, I'm going to outline what the process is going to be this evening so that the public's aware and the commissioner's aware. We're going to get a report from both Beth Thompson from DeNovo, who's our consultant on the housing element, and our own working group of Commissioner Feller and Commissioner Saad. and then after that, we're going to get a motion to put a recommendation. Tonight we are giving a recommendation to the city council and then we all are meeting jointly with them onERS. IF NEEDED, IF WE START TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC SITES, WE WILL NEED TO SEGMENT THE MOTION AND INDIVIDUALLY DISCUSS SITES, IF WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON SITES, IF THAT'S NEEDED. WE WILL THEN, ONCE IT'S CLEAR, I will open it for public comment and we will allow people to comment for up to two minutes. I will encourage speakers that if something hasIC COMMENT. BASED ON THE COMMENT WE'LL on the comment, we'll entertain additional amendments or discussion from the commission. And if it relates to specific sites, we may have to segment that. But hopefully we've accomplished that before that point in time. And then we will vote on our recommendation of the city council. And then on Monday, we will have a joint meeting with the City Council regarding adoption of the housing element. So with that, I don't know if Director Phipps, you have any further comments or should I just turn it over to Ms. Thompson and our working group?
00:24:31.08	Chair Luxenberg	Chair Luxembourg, that was wonderful. I think that, yeah, that's all that we need to do. Beth, I will let you take it away. Or excuse me, actually, Commissioner Feller and Commissioner Saab, I'll let you take it away.
00:24:45.71	Christina Fellock	Thank you, Director Phipps. Thank you, Chair Luxembourg.
00:24:49.49	Christina Fellock	Um,
00:24:50.50	Christina Fellock	We have about 20 slides or so to go over this evening. So we're gonna walk everybody through
00:24:56.39	Christina Fellock	where we are, how we started, how we got to where we are. So Beth has been kind enough to share her screen here. So I'll ask her to move on to the first slide.
00:25:07.34	Christina Fellock	and level set everybody in terms of the purpose of this agenda item.
00:25:12.67	Christina Fellock	And I'm gonna read some of this into the record. The purpose of this is for the Planning Commission
00:25:20.89	Christina Fellock	to endorse a comprehensive housing element plan
00:25:25.82	Christina Fellock	that refines the draft October 27, 2022
00:25:30.83	Christina Fellock	document that was issued to HCD, which is the state housing
00:25:34.96	Christina Fellock	that is responsive to the preliminary state feedback, which we received orally only.
00:25:40.97	Christina Fellock	And there are a couple of slides on that later on. So we'll get to that.
00:25:44.36	Christina Fellock	We want it to be reflective of the Saucydo general plan, the state legislation and mandates,
00:25:50.24	Christina Fellock	public comment consideration, and industry best practice considerations of urban planning, master planning principles for the built environment,
00:25:58.42	Christina Fellock	for the City Council to approve and adopt to issue to the state HCD no later than the statutory state HCD deadline.
00:26:05.85	Christina Fellock	I just want to add in here that
00:26:09.12	Christina Fellock	Sausalito has not formally received written comment from the state as of this evening.
00:26:15.75	Christina Fellock	So we are anticipating additional comment from the state.
00:26:20.83	Christina Fellock	But tonight, again, back to the purpose, we'll receive public input and comment to provide revisions to staff.
00:26:26.70	Christina Fellock	and to the consultant to draft adoption
00:26:29.56	Christina Fellock	Draft housing element that would be considered for recommendation to the City Council by the planning committed Commission at a notice public hearing on January 30th. 2023 so that's Monday this coming Monday and our hearing starts at 3pm and it has been formally noticed, so if we can move on to the next slide back.
00:26:54.09	Christina Fellock	I want to just give a little bit of background so everybody understands sort of how we got to where we are.
00:27:00.28	Christina Fellock	back in February, March 2021.
00:27:04.00	Christina Fellock	is when the Housing Element Working Group was actually established. And that was comprised of two City Council members and two Planning Commissioners.
00:27:14.42	Christina Fellock	And
00:27:15.61	Christina Fellock	Those four individuals, I was one of them. I still am one of them.
00:27:21.11	Christina Fellock	Um,
00:27:22.83	Christina Fellock	The City Council and the Planning Commissioner are the two bodies that have to weigh in and formally approved and also City Council has to ratify and send to the state. So that is the reason that there are two City Council members and two Planning Commissioners.
00:27:37.22	Christina Fellock	Um,
00:27:38.17	Christina Fellock	At that time, we started to develop an RFP for procurement to find a consultant, and we have DeNovo consultants with us tonight. And throughout this whole process, we have had them. So that was one of the reasons that this working group was put together. We scoped that.
00:27:59.70	Christina Fellock	In addition to that, we also queried the public
00:28:05.00	Christina Fellock	and asked members of the public to volunteer
00:28:08.44	Christina Fellock	and to become a member of what ultimately became the Housing Element Advisory Committee or HIAC as we call it.
00:28:17.08	Christina Fellock	there are
00:28:19.77	Christina Fellock	10 MEMBERS WITH AN ALTERNATE THAT DEVELOPED THE DRAFT PLAN.
00:28:27.31	Christina Fellock	that was issued in October.
00:28:29.76	Christina Fellock	Um,
00:28:31.02	Christina Fellock	We had a number of different meetings. I have them all listed here, including three town halls and 10 different
00:28:38.14	Christina Fellock	HEAC meetings. These were all Brown Act publicly noticed meetings
00:28:42.63	Christina Fellock	And we received an enormous amount of public input and public comment and participation.
00:28:50.63	Christina Fellock	And I was...
00:28:53.60	Christina Fellock	We went back through the working group went back through a lot of those comments.
00:28:57.97	Christina Fellock	And Commissioner Saad and I, I think we counted over 850 written comments that doesn't even include
00:29:04.25	Christina Fellock	the oral comments. So I think that's an incredible amount of public participation.
00:29:10.51	Christina Fellock	and more to come.
00:29:12.40	Christina Fellock	There are some additional noticed housing element
00:29:16.25	Christina Fellock	which includes the meeting that we're in this evening, a regular planning commission meeting, and also the special joint session
00:29:24.13	Christina Fellock	scheduled for Monday the 30th that I mentioned.
00:29:27.40	Christina Fellock	I will
00:29:28.82	Christina Fellock	also mention that the state changed some of their deadlines midstream.
00:29:34.54	Christina Fellock	as we were developing this housing element. And due to that fact, it was the recommendation of the CDD director, the consultant, myself as chair, Commissioner Saad, and one of the city council members to actually engage the working group again to work in parallel and more invasively with the consultant to develop the final opportunity sites. That was a scheduled recovery and acceleration strategy that we felt was reasonable since the working group was still technically in existence as well as the HIAC. That did not get passed through City Council, unfortunately, but the two City Council members assigned did spend more time working with the consultant to develop the ultimate opportunity list and help develop the draft. So that's just a little bit of background to give you some color how we got here today. So let's move on, Beth, if we could to the next slide here.
00:30:45.19	Christina Fellock	We talked a little bit about the public input and I want to
00:30:49.46	Christina Fellock	Um,
00:30:50.32	Christina Fellock	just again reiterate that we got a lot of written comment. We got a lot of comment and responses from surveys and mailers.
00:31:00.04	Christina Fellock	There was oral comment at notice meetings in addition to the town halls. And if those of you who are part of the town halls, there was a lot of interactive
00:31:09.51	Christina Fellock	questionnaires within those town halls.
00:31:12.79	Christina Fellock	And there was also outreach workshops to focus groups here in Sausalito, employers, property owners, et cetera.
00:31:23.05	Christina Fellock	We developed a virtual binder
00:31:26.00	Christina Fellock	that is still in existence on the city website and continue to populate that and are continuing to populate that as we move forward.
00:31:35.01	Christina Fellock	It's important that there's so much information and so much
00:31:38.55	Christina Fellock	legislation, it gets confusing very easily and it's really important that we're all looking
00:31:43.43	Christina Fellock	at the same information so we all have the same baseline.
00:31:47.65	Christina Fellock	So let's keep going, Beth.
00:31:51.26	Christina Fellock	Okay.
00:31:52.24	Christina Fellock	There are a lot of different elements that are part of the housing element programs,
00:31:57.69	Christina Fellock	are part of them. There are 31 of them.
00:32:00.49	Christina Fellock	We're going to go through them very quickly here. We're going to really report by exception only.
00:32:07.73	Christina Fellock	And in addition to that, we've got opportunity sites.
00:32:11.71	Christina Fellock	We have to look at units per acre and a number of other things. So we're going to go through each one of these. So the first seven programs here, as you can see, there's really no further comment on most of them.
00:32:25.06	Christina Fellock	and just some small comments here which I'm not going to read out or anything like that but these are the comments that Commissioner Assad and I are recommending that we amend in the draft October document let's move on to the next next grouping graph
00:32:43.20	Christina Fellock	Um,
00:32:44.69	Christina Fellock	I just wanted to point out in particular program nine because there was a lot of discussion in our general plan as we were updating the general plan.
00:32:53.36	Christina Fellock	about water-based housing.
00:32:55.23	Christina Fellock	And also, you know, how to outreach and work more with BCDC, who ultimately is the authority over water-based development. So I just think that it's important to be clear with that because we did identify water-based housing as an option in our public policy document.
00:33:15.72	Christina Fellock	As you can read the rest of these, we're just including additional
00:33:20.21	Christina Fellock	groups within the city that need to be take primary responsibility for some of these programs mainly because they deal with
00:33:28.81	Christina Fellock	funds and how to assist with housing and so on and so forth. So let's keep going, Beth, through the rest of these. As you can see, include finance department, et cetera. And then program 17, we're looking at sort of the density in terms of affordable. Let's keep going on here.
00:33:53.81	Christina Fellock	Okay.
00:33:56.45	Christina Fellock	Additional comments about how to handle the displacement protection
00:34:02.14	Christina Fellock	and how we should be partnering with South Florida Village and so on on senior housing. There have been comments on looking at program 26 about universal design and accessibility
00:34:16.62	Christina Fellock	I want to clarify and be clear
00:34:19.88	Christina Fellock	that California Building Code, the CBC, and the Salcedo Municipal Code, the SMC,
00:34:26.61	Christina Fellock	are both pretty clear on that and the California Building Code really is the
00:34:33.73	Christina Fellock	authority over accessibility throughout the state and we follow that as well.
00:34:41.24	Christina Fellock	And then pretty much no further comment for the most part in terms of the programs. I think next we will go into the sites.
00:34:52.63	Christina Fellock	Um,
00:34:54.59	Christina Fellock	I think I'm going to hand that
00:34:56.60	Christina Fellock	Over to you, Beth.
00:34:58.40	Christina Fellock	The one thing I just want to mention is that we also referenced what's called Appendix C, which is a site suitability criteria. And Beth can expand on this a little bit more, but it's a point and rating system for
00:35:13.61	Christina Fellock	on the criteria and desirability of sites. And so I'll hand that over to you, Beth.
00:35:21.37	Beth	All right, thank you, Commissioner Fowler. So in looking at how the housing element accommodates the regional housing need allocation or arena, we have identified several
00:35:30.99	Beth	modifications to the housing element to continue to accommodate the arena, but to refine the approach to
00:35:36.95	Beth	calculating the units per site and then to modify some of the sites included in the arena. And I won't go through all the details, but
00:35:43.98	Beth	160 units total would be added by the sites recommended to be added. And then there's some sites identified for removal or modification, and those would reduce the potential units by about 210. And these unit counts are based on the
00:35:58.82	Beth	realistic capacity, which is the reduced unit count that's calculated based on some reductions. It's not the total units allowed under zoning, and it definitely isn't the units that would be accommodated with a density bonus.
00:36:12.10	Beth	So,
00:36:13.18	Beth	And going through the approach to modifying the opportunity site overlays, as you'll recall, there are three types of opportunity site overlays. There's the opportunity site multifamily 49, and that overlay would allow densities of up to 49 units per acre.
00:36:28.45	Beth	And we would establish a minimum density of 43 units per acre. So sites that have this opportunity site overlay would have to develop with a minimum of 43 units per acre. This allows the city to get more credit, more units per site than would otherwise be counted under the realistic capacity assumption, which would only be 39 units per acre. So this helps the city get some more credit per site.
00:36:51.11	Beth	Similarly, the Opportunity Site Mixed Use Overlay, which is also the 49 unit per acre overlay,
00:36:57.64	Beth	would establish a minimum density of 43 units per acre. And when we also make an assumption that there would be 85% of the site used for residential uses, that would allow us to use a minimum density of 36.5 units per acre in the calculations, as opposed to the 24.5
00:37:13.51	Mr. Dixon	in the city.
00:37:17.10	Beth	units per acre used for the realistic capacity assumption. So by establishing these baseline requirements,
00:37:22.84	Beth	The city will ensure that the sites are developed to a higher use and then also that the city is getting more credit per site in the inventory and it reduces the total number of sites that the city needs to identify. And then we've also made some adjustments to the income assumptions and particularly for privately owned sites, we've increased the number of the assumed above moderate income units.
00:37:44.23	Beth	As you may recall, when the inventory was initially prepared, there was a shortage of above-moderate income units, and we had anticipated that as we received HCD comments and that sites were adjusted,
00:37:54.70	Beth	Some of the sites would convert to above moderate or we would have to make higher above moderate assumptions. So we've in advance of getting the HCD comments, we have adjusted the above moderate unit counts for some sites.
00:38:07.39	Beth	So now I'll go through the sites site by site with the recommendations for removal and modification. And there are some commissioners with,
00:38:16.62	Beth	with potential conflicts. And I don't know if at this point in the presentation you want to recuse yourself or if you want to wait until there's discussion. So I'll pause for a moment.
00:38:25.71	Christina Fellock	Beth, if you can just continue with the whole thing. Beth, right.
00:38:27.60	Beth	go through all of that, okay.
00:38:29.27	Beth	So-
00:38:30.35	Beth	Lisa Wittmann, site 52, which is the city hall site located at 420 lethal is recommended for removal, and this would reduce the city's. Lisa Wittmann, potential units by 37 units and basically the justification for this is that the city hall site is needed to support you know to provide city services to the city's residents and the existing population and units that would result from the arena so.
00:38:54.03	Beth	rather than developing the city hall site, maintain that as a governmental site to continue to provide services to the community. And it was also noted that there was an error in what was submitted to the state and that the city council had voted to only look at the parking lot.
00:39:01.03	Mr. Dixon	and it was awesome.
00:39:08.83	Beth	And regarding that, I will note that the 37 units could be placed just on the parking lot, but the housing element did not clarify that.
00:39:17.35	Beth	Next, there's site 47, which is located at 300 Locust Street. And this site is below the minimum acreage required to be a lower income site. So we're just recommending that the unit count be adjusted to moderate and above moderate income units. So there's no change to the net development potential on this site.
00:39:36.91	Beth	And it's just adjusting how the units are counted in terms of income levels.
00:39:42.82	Beth	There's some new sites that are identified to be added. So sites 207 through 210 are located at 911 to 917 Bridgeway.
00:39:51.52	Beth	931 to 933 Bridgeway, 925 Bridgeway and 927 Bridgeway. And 925 Bridgeway is already in the inventory. So this grouping of sites would be added
00:40:01.99	Beth	to accommodate some additional growth. This would accommodate about 14 additional units, six
00:40:07.30	Beth	moderate and eight above moderate.
00:40:10.14	Beth	And the owner is interested, the owner of three of the parcels. Three of the parcels are contiguous or close to one another. And the owner of those three parcels has expressed interest in development. There's one additional parcel kind of
00:40:21.32	Beth	right in there. And so that's also been included just to provide more potential for development as a block of parcels.
00:40:29.19	Beth	Site 202 through 206 is the Altamira site, and this is currently the Altamira facility. And this includes the, this site is an unusual site in that it looks like a single parcel, but it's actually six separate parcels. And so this would take five of the parcels, so the hotel site would not be included, but it would take the three parking parcels and two of the other parcels on the lot and designate those as opportunity sites. And the owner has expressed interest in developing five of the six parcels. The site is currently leased and there's an option this year coming up to extend the lease for another five years.
00:41:05.87	Beth	but it's anticipated by the owner that the site would be available during the planning period.
00:41:10.14	Beth	that they are interested in developing the site. So this would give the site an additional 64 units.
00:41:15.54	Beth	With 27 very low, eight low, six moderate, and 23 above moderate income units.
00:41:23.83	Beth	There are also some additional sites that are being recommended for inclusion. Site 211 is located at 2660 Bridgeway. And this site is immediately adjacent to the Avatar site that's also been discussed. This would add about nine of the capacity for about nine units.
00:41:39.37	Beth	Site 201, the real Napa parking lot,
00:41:42.51	Beth	has also been identified to be added and the owner is interested in development
00:41:46.49	Beth	And this site would have capacity for about 20 units. And it's not anticipated that it would replace the real Napa use, but that the parking lot would accommodate some residential uses.
00:41:55.77	Beth	And then there's a lot on, it's actually not an existing lot, but there's Caltrans right of way along Ebtide,
00:42:02.98	Beth	That is part of, it appears to be the old right-of-way
00:42:06.32	Beth	when it actually went through town. And so it's owned by Caltrans, but it's no longer
00:42:11.67	Beth	being used as part of the right of way.
00:42:14.08	Beth	working with the state to have that declared surplus property, and that would yield about 25 units. And that's designated already in the inventory as a backup site. So it would just be converted to being an active opportunity site.
00:42:26.79	Beth	as the site at 330 Ebtide, which is also an existing backup site
00:42:33.12	Beth	that has about two units on it.
00:42:35.12	Beth	converting that also to an opportunity site so that it's an active site and that would accommodate about 29 units. There's also a vacant lot along Sausalito Boulevard just north of Sunshine and so that site
00:42:47.16	Beth	was identified as an inventory site
00:42:49.86	Beth	And converting that since it's a vacant lot to an opportunity site would also yield
00:42:54.40	Beth	and additional unit in capacity.
00:42:58.03	Beth	then going through some of the sites recommended for removal or modification.
00:43:02.78	Beth	Site 14.
00:43:04.55	Beth	is located at 300 Spencer. That's the old fire station site in the city. And that's recommended for removal due to the disproportionate fire risk and some deed restrictions and concerns with the actual availability of the site to be developed.
00:43:19.81	Beth	circulation concerns and evacuation concerns. So that's been identified for removal.
00:43:25.13	Beth	Site 100, located at 66 Marion,
00:43:28.06	Beth	is also identified for removal from the inventory and it would be noted
00:43:32.62	Beth	that the site does have the potential to develop under the existing zoning as an underutilized site.
00:43:38.44	Beth	the ability to develop under the current zoning wouldn't be removed. It would just no longer be identified.
00:43:43.42	Beth	as an opportunity site and wouldn't be counted toward the inventory.
00:43:48.06	Beth	Site 84 located at 100 Eptide, the MLK site, is also identified for some modification. And this site would have an increase in a total of 12 additional units. So to accommodate some of the shifts for the other sites, this site would increase by 12 units.
00:44:04.88	Beth	And there were also, when we had looked at this site, there were three different sub areas identified within the site.
00:44:10.32	Beth	And so it's recommended only that the sub area one within the site be developed and that would be the site
00:44:16.11	Beth	with the tennis courts and adjacent uses so that
00:44:18.70	Beth	that only that portion would be considered for development.
00:44:23.04	Beth	And there's some adjustments to increase the very low and low income units, decrease the moderate and increase the above moderate income units on that site.
00:44:31.73	Beth	And then site 67 and 68, which are adjacent to one another, and they're both located in the Marin ship.
00:44:37.82	Beth	are identified for removal. Site 67 is a vacant site.
00:44:41.49	Beth	It would accommodate about 47 units.
00:44:44.10	Beth	And it has the existing office designations and the reason reasoning for removing this would to be to maintain the site for the city's maritime activities to.
00:44:54.90	Beth	provide more economic development, economic growth for the community, and then also to recognize that the site is designated for industrial uses. And so it's less
00:45:03.86	Beth	less appropriate for the city to consider residential development on this. And similarly, site 68 also located in the Marin ship. It's the site that's developed with the two existing office buildings.
00:45:15.17	Beth	also designated industrial workers.
00:45:17.18	Beth	and recommended for removal similar to Site 67.
00:45:21.11	Beth	that would remove or reduce the inventory by about 106 units.
00:45:26.73	Beth	And so with that, let's see, I'll also go through the city has recently reviewed its approved projects. And so currently the city has approvals for about seven accessory dwelling units and two single family dwelling units.
00:45:39.30	Beth	So nine total units that can be counted toward the inventory. And we are working with the planning department to
00:45:45.14	Beth	review all of the building permits issued since June approvals and make sure that we've
00:45:49.96	Beth	adjusted the inventory accordingly prior to submittal to the state and getting as much credit as possible for all of the approved units in the city.
00:46:00.26	Beth	So with all of those discussed changes, the net result of those modifications to the sites would be to continue to provide a surplus of units. So the city has a regional housing need allocation of 724 units.
00:46:13.20	Beth	With these adjustments, the city would exceed the
00:46:16.42	Beth	very low allocation by about 21 units, the low income allocation by 32 units, the moderate by 40 units, and the above moderate by 3 units. So you would have a total buffer of about 94 units. So you would still have capacity to meet your allocation and some potential to exceed it, which would give the city some capacity to make adjustments to the sites in the future if needed.
00:46:41.40	Beth	And with that, I will turn it back over to Commissioner Fowler.
00:46:45.30	Christina Fellock	Oh, thank you, Beth. And just a quick note on your last slide. The buffer of 94 doesn't include consideration.
00:46:54.49	Christina Fellock	of the nine units that already count towards the 724. So in other words, you'd really have
00:47:01.75	Christina Fellock	more than 94 units.
00:47:04.94	Christina Fellock	you'd have 103.
00:47:06.59	Beth	Right. And we do have to just double check that those haven't already been counted as pending projects. So we're confirming that.
00:47:13.45	Christina Fellock	Okay, great.
00:47:15.47	Christina Fellock	All right, so let's keep going and let's go through, let's go through some of these, the verbal comments that you received from HCD so far.
00:47:25.54	Christina Fellock	And if you want to explain any of these, since you were part of the conversation with Director Phipps, that's fine. The Planning Commission Working Group has...
00:47:35.94	Christina Fellock	provided some some comment and input here that we can go over as well.
00:47:41.29	Beth	All right, well, so I'll start off. The state did mention that the city should include a general program in the housing plan to address infrastructure to ensure that the city's addressing the additional demand that would occur with the 724 units to ensure that master plans are updated to address the sites, prioritizing high-density, low-income sites, and then also to seek funding to expedite improvements, and there are a number of
00:48:04.42	Beth	funding sources, the SB2 REAP and LEAP funding sources, as well as the state's infrastructure infill grant program.
00:48:11.56	Beth	Yeah.
00:48:12.17	Beth	the
00:48:12.88	Beth	The Planning Commission, you know, feedback here, direction to the consultant is recommended to be that the infrastructure is addressed throughout the 2021 general plan update.
00:48:22.23	Beth	and that we should include that and that assessment and the housing element
00:48:26.28	Beth	And we should add the program to address updating the water and sewer master plans to ensure consistency with the housing element and general plan.
00:48:33.35	Beth	as well as ensuring the city coordinates with Marin Water and the Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District to address that increase in growth associated with the arena and recognizing that those entities aren't only affected by Sausalito's arena, but that they're affected by the other areas they serve outside of the city as well. So they'll be seeing some increase in demand beyond just the city.
00:48:53.29	Beth	Regarding program four, which was this program that identifies the rezoning
00:48:57.99	Beth	of the sites and it includes the need for an election for
00:49:01.39	Beth	sites that are affected by the fair traffic initiative, as well as an ordinance in the city restricting modifications to certain city owned sites.
00:49:08.78	Beth	The state recommended that we look at the city of Yorba Linda and city of Newport Beach special elections programs.
00:49:15.43	Beth	direction from the planning commission there can just recommend that we revise that program to address this comment. And we have reviewed those programs and they really don't involve significant changes, but mainly outlining a timeline for the special election.
00:49:29.10	Beth	And,
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00:49:46.16	Christina Fellock	Right.
00:49:49.24	Christina Fellock	Great, let's keep going.
00:49:57.59	Chair Luxenberg	Excuse me, Beth, I think you're on mute.
00:50:01.76	Beth	Sorry about that. So table 45 of the background report. I'm requesting that the city address development standards by zone, including for the historic overlay and Marin ship specific plan.
00:50:12.03	Beth	And then also addressing weather development standards will be superseded by the odds
00:50:16.32	Beth	So the recommendation here would be that we clarify the historic district standards and requirements. We revise the housing elements reflect that the membership specific plan was incorporated into the 2021 general plan.
00:50:28.57	Beth	And it's anticipated to have limited applicability in the future, following revisions to the housing element and then having the zoning ordinance updated to reflect the
00:50:38.46	Beth	of the MSP into the general plan.
00:50:42.24	Beth	And also to clarify that the odds will
00:50:44.62	Beth	initially be a parallel code to the zoning ordinance, but it will ultimately supersede the zoning provisions in the municipal code as they relate to the specific housing types addressed by the odds.
00:50:55.81	Christina Fellock	Sorry Beth to interject here, but I just think it's important for everybody, the public listening in as well as the commission,
00:50:55.82	Beth	Yeah.
00:51:04.80	Christina Fellock	Just to reiterate that the objective design and development standards that we have, that the city council heard last night, that we are finalizing for their ratification is specifically for multifamily.
00:51:18.49	Christina Fellock	And that's why it will initially be a parallel
00:51:22.01	Christina Fellock	code until such time as we can
00:51:25.66	Christina Fellock	update and meld together the existing Sausalito Municipal Code with the objective standards into actually one code. So I just want that to be clear to everybody how we're doing that.
00:51:42.40	Beth	Thank you.
00:51:43.97	Beth	Regarding residential care facilities, the state asked that the housing element analyze the approval findings to clarify whether
00:51:52.68	Beth	approvals were discretionary or non-discretionary, and then whether there are any unique requirements, such as the requirement for a conditional use permit,
00:52:00.32	Beth	for group homes that serve seven or more residents or clients. And so we did note to the state, we understand that the element has to ensure that there are no discrimination or constraints for group homes.
00:52:10.56	Beth	And so just revising the housing element to address that comment, provide that clarification.
00:52:15.56	Beth	Um,
00:52:16.52	Beth	The state also asked for more detail regarding the city's reasonable accommodation process, including identifying the findings of the process.
00:52:23.56	Beth	So the housing element needs to include some additional information regarding the city's findings for the reasonable accommodation process. And the state does have a model ordinance that they.
00:52:32.79	Beth	like cities to mirror. So looking at that in terms of the findings and whether the city's findings have discretion or subjective nature to them that would
00:52:41.78	Beth	potentially constrain a reasonable accommodation requests.
00:52:46.25	Beth	The state also asked that the city ensure that the potential flooding and sea level rise issues regarding existing slips and permanent housing opportunities be addressed. And Director Phipps mentioned that we should reference Galilee Harbor specifically since looking at a permitably furthering fair housing plan.
00:53:03.85	Beth	concerns and that is one of the affordable housing projects and specifically our residential community
00:53:10.05	Beth	along the waterfront. So ensuring that we reference those findings and reference how that would affect housing, including permanent housing along the waterfront.
00:53:21.94	Christina Fellock	I think that, you know, we have a very capable sea level rise and subsidence task force that has already presented and done a lot of mapping with the city council.
00:53:34.31	Christina Fellock	And there's a lot of reference throughout the 2021 general plan about sea level rise.
00:53:41.49	Christina Fellock	about subsidence, about sustainability and resiliency.
00:53:45.80	Christina Fellock	Um, uh, so I, I, I think this is a well-founded comment to reference that, um, um, in, in this housing element portion of the general plan.
00:53:56.25	Beth	And yeah, that definitely makes sense to include all that effort that the city's put in.
00:54:03.09	Beth	And then going back to the proposed amendments and comment, did you want to cover these Commissioner Fowler?
00:54:09.24	Christina Fellock	I think we can cover these together. I mean, I think we've sort of outlined throughout this presentation what the proposed amendments are.
00:54:16.82	Christina Fellock	We know that there's already the exemption that's being prepared for the environmental impact report.
00:54:24.31	Christina Fellock	and that we want to focus on the preparation of an EIR that's specific and targeted to any ballot measure.
00:54:31.37	Christina Fellock	The Planning Commission recommends the approval of the objective design and development standards to be considered separately. We've already
00:54:39.77	Christina Fellock	touched on that a little bit.
00:54:41.73	Christina Fellock	And that we will also separately develop SB 9, which is for single family objective design and development centers beyond what is already in the ordinance.
00:54:52.26	Christina Fellock	that was recommended by the Planning Commission Legislative Committee
00:54:56.31	Christina Fellock	to the city council and the city council ratified.
00:54:59.48	Christina Fellock	But we will take that further.
00:55:01.96	Christina Fellock	We have amendments to the proposed site inventory list and to achieve equal or net gain to those numbers. And then we're also reducing the critical mass of sites within some of the northern neighborhoods to increase the probability of approval of these voter initiatives and the fair traffic initiative in particular. So we want to achieve those sustainable resilient neighborhoods and we want to thoughtfully incorporate housing opportunity sites throughout the city
00:55:40.66	Christina Fellock	in a manner that will not inadvertently create issues further down the road. We've gone through the 31 recommendations. Those sort of stand as we've explained them.
00:55:54.95	Christina Fellock	And, you know, we would just want to ask one more time that we would like funding for a citywide master plan. It's critical for any of the future projects.
00:56:05.07	Christina Fellock	moves that we're making here. What is not on this slide is what Beth referenced earlier, and that is an additional proposed amendment to the units per acre, which really helps us achieve a very thoughtful, viable, justifiable proposed amendment to the October 27th draft HCD plan. And so that sort of, I think, summarizes most of this, unless Beth, you have anything to add or Commissioner Saad, you have anything to add?
00:56:42.44	Christina Fellock	I don't.
00:56:44.68	Commissioner Tsai	Nothing to add, thank you both for presenting our thoughts so eloquently.
00:56:49.98	Christina Fellock	So let's move on to the next slide then, which is really the draft direction.
00:56:54.49	Christina Fellock	Um,
00:56:55.99	Christina Fellock	So the Planning Commission requests that the staff and the consultant, Beth, that's you DeNovo and your team,
00:57:01.24	Christina Fellock	prepare an adoption draft housing element that addresses the identified revisions and provides the adoption draft housing element to the planning commission
00:57:09.35	Christina Fellock	and city council as soon as possible and prior to our Monday
00:57:13.77	Christina Fellock	joint hearing meeting, which is January 30th. And to the extent feasible, the adoption draft housing element should also address comments received by HCD anticipated
00:57:25.86	Christina Fellock	tomorrow, close of business.
00:57:28.32	Christina Fellock	So that's really where we are here. And based on how Chair Luxenberg has laid this out,
00:57:35.17	Christina Fellock	I would like to put a motion on the floor to approve the plan
00:57:39.46	Christina Fellock	the comprehensive plan as we walked you through
00:57:42.41	Christina Fellock	this evening here.
00:57:44.91	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Chair Feller. I will second that motion.
00:57:47.98	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
00:57:48.05	Chair Luxembourg	And so I understand that the program changes that are outlined, the opportunity and the density changes that you outlined, the opportunity site changes and the comments that Beth has addressed so far for HTC are all part of our recommendation that's going to this recommended to go to the city council on Monday. with a motion on the floor at this point. First of all, I want to thank THANK BETH FOR ALL OF HER WORK ON THIS, AS WELL AS HER WORK WITH HCD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE NOT ONLY A CRITICAL PART NOW, BUT AS GOING FORWARD TO GET THIS RATIFIED, AND THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. I WANT TO THANK THE HEAC PUBLIC MEMBERS WHO VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME THROUGH THIS LONG PROCESS. I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONERS FELLER AND SOD FOR NOT ONLY HELPING WITH THIS PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT FOR SPENDING ALMOST TWO YEARS ON THIS EFFORT WITH BOTH AS A WORKING GROUP AND PART OF THE HEAC. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE, we have a motion on the floor. And at this point, I'm gonna open it up for other commissioners other than the working group, because I'm assuming you're Commissioner Feller and Commissioner Saad, this is your recommendation. If people have comments or questions regarding what our recommendation is to the city council, we will, or questions of Beth or our working group, we will take those. If we get into a discussion of opportunity sites, we will have to segment this and do some recusals. And so I'm making commissioners aware of that. So at this point, if we could, I guess, stop sharing screen and I will go to commissioner Graff, if you have any questions or comments or amendments.
00:59:48.09	Chair Luxembourg	You're muted.
00:59:55.32	Chair Luxembourg	You're muted. Richard, Richard, you're muted.
01:00:02.25	Chair Luxembourg	Zoom team, can we help Richard?
01:00:10.08	Chair Luxembourg	Is Richard unmuted on the Zoom team?
01:00:15.87	Chair Luxembourg	There we go.
01:00:16.78	Chair Luxembourg	Richard, try again. Okay, thank you.
01:00:19.28	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
01:00:19.82	Commissioner Graff	I couldn't do it. It wouldn't let me do it.
01:00:21.89	Chair Luxembourg	I know, that's why I told the Zoom team to do it.
01:00:24.28	Commissioner Graff	Yeah.
01:00:25.39	Commissioner Graff	Um,
01:00:26.81	Commissioner Graff	I just want to thank everybody for putting that presentation together. That was very helpful.
01:00:32.63	Commissioner Graff	and getting a
01:00:34.92	Commissioner Graff	a bad picture.
01:00:37.86	Commissioner Graff	I don't have many comments on
01:00:41.03	Commissioner Graff	they, um,
01:00:44.37	Commissioner Graff	on the proposed
01:00:46.09	Commissioner Graff	Um,
01:00:47.14	Commissioner Graff	um,
01:00:48.41	Commissioner Graff	draft, but
01:00:49.67	Commissioner Graff	I did have a question in one of these programs.
01:00:55.78	Commissioner Graff	What is meant by reasonable accommodation?
01:00:59.54	Commissioner Graff	I've seen that mentioned several times and I
01:01:03.43	Commissioner Graff	don't know what it means and that would help me understand that.
01:01:08.07	Commissioner Graff	Can somebody explain?
01:01:09.43	Chair Luxembourg	Sure.
01:01:11.32	Beth	Reasonable accommodation means that a person with a disability can come and ask the city to waive or modify standards and regulations in order to accommodate their disability. This allows for a more straightforward process than coming in and requesting a variance or a use permit or some other more formal and lengthy process. So it's a straightforward process for someone to be accommodated who has a disability.
01:01:21.38	Mr. Dixon	ordering.
01:01:37.39	Sergio	And separately, it's required by law to accommodate folks with disabilities in its zoning and change its zoning to the extent required.
01:01:45.24	Sergio	to do so.
01:01:47.45	Commissioner Graff	Okay, thank you for that. Excellent. I definitely support that.
01:01:51.52	Commissioner Graff	Um,
01:01:52.72	Commissioner Graff	I don't have any
01:01:54.34	Commissioner Graff	Further comments right at this time, as I mentioned before, if we discussed
01:02:00.61	Commissioner Graff	specifically site 47 or 52, I'll have to shut down.
01:02:07.01	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you, Commissioner Graff.
01:02:10.96	Chair Luxembourg	Vice Chair of Juniors.
01:02:13.59	Vice Chair Junius	Thank you, Chair Luxembourg. And I'd also like to echo your kind words to Commissioners Fell and Saad. Incredible work.
01:02:22.72	Vice Chair Junius	Beth Thompson, you've done an incredible job to get us here.
01:02:26.45	Vice Chair Junius	It's an impressive document. I'm very happy with it for the most part.
01:02:32.98	Vice Chair Junius	But I do, I am concerned that we're taking sites off at this late date.
01:02:38.97	Vice Chair Junius	I don't really don't have a problem with the City Hall coming off that. There's some very special reasons why that.
01:02:45.16	Vice Chair Junius	probably makes some sense.
01:02:47.53	Vice Chair Junius	But the other sites are relatively high density, large sites. And I, you know, I would have thought that
01:02:53.57	Vice Chair Junius	to the extent that the fire danger up on Spencer or
01:02:57.75	Vice Chair Junius	The other.
01:02:58.99	Vice Chair Junius	comments made with respect to the two marine ship sites.
01:03:03.05	Vice Chair Junius	you know, that would have been debated a while back.
01:03:06.98	Vice Chair Junius	I mean, this is where we're, this is a housing plan. We need as much housing as we can. This is a long-term plan. 94 units of cushion, I don't think,
01:03:15.66	Vice Chair Junius	is nearly enough to accommodate the
01:03:19.22	Vice Chair Junius	you know, ups and downs of real estate development, the various permitting challenges,
01:03:23.77	Vice Chair Junius	labor challenges,
01:03:25.63	Vice Chair Junius	economic challenges, interest rates. It's a crazy world out there. It's gonna be tough to build anything.
01:03:31.81	Vice Chair Junius	And in my opinion, we should be looking
01:03:34.51	Vice Chair Junius	at every site.
01:03:35.72	Vice Chair Junius	and overdoing it by a big
01:03:37.73	Vice Chair Junius	margin in order to
01:03:40.21	Vice Chair Junius	Make sure we even get come close because it's very difficult to develop out there.
01:03:45.24	Vice Chair Junius	I, I'm not sure I agree with the,
01:03:47.89	Vice Chair Junius	the comment that we need more office or that the office buildings that don't seem to be very heavily utilized down
01:03:53.15	Vice Chair Junius	on the east side of Bridgeway.
01:03:55.35	Vice Chair Junius	need to be office buildings anymore. You know, this is a big deal.
01:03:59.21	Vice Chair Junius	We live in a tourist town, there's certainly marine activity.
01:04:03.19	Vice Chair Junius	But...
01:04:04.26	Vice Chair Junius	The office buildings are I think past their prime. I don't see a huge future as South Salido as an office site.
01:04:11.39	Vice Chair Junius	There's tens of millions of square feet of office space that's vacant right now in downtown San Francisco.
01:04:16.34	Vice Chair Junius	But I think my main comment is I would just
01:04:19.26	Vice Chair Junius	like to hear a little bit more or
01:04:22.33	Vice Chair Junius	again, offer up.
01:04:23.63	Vice Chair Junius	not taking those larger removed sites off the list.
01:04:27.80	Vice Chair Junius	So those are my comments. Thank you.
01:04:29.64	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Vice-Chair Junius.
01:04:32.69	Chair Luxembourg	At this point, I appreciate your comments at this point.
01:04:38.24	Chair Luxembourg	I think maybe unless Commissioner Feller and Commissioner Steyer have additional comments at this time, we might want to open up for public comment and then come back for further discussion. At that point, we decide if we have to segment this. Does that make the commission good with that approach?
01:04:55.61	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
01:04:55.62	Unknown	Thank you.
01:04:55.64	Christina Fellock	Yes.
01:04:56.69	Christina Fellock	comments.
01:04:57.46	Chair Luxembourg	All right, at this point, I would like Director Phipps, if you could inform the public how to raise your hand in Zoom yet again. And then we were going to have a, I believe you had indicated a two-minute time for public comment for people that want to do that. Director Phipps, I'll turn it over to you for the description of how to raise your hand. Thank you.
01:05:24.18	Chair Luxenberg	Thanks very much, Chair. Video or audio public comment participation is limited to two minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application. You'll be called upon when it is your time to speak. To raise your hand from a phone, press star nine. Each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed. Thank you. And at current Chair Luxembourg. I am seeing three raised hands. The first one that I saw is from Keith Diggs. And I request Keith that you unmute yourself. And you can, we'll start your time.
01:05:24.19	Chair Luxembourg	Thanks very much.
01:06:01.57	Chair Luxenberg	So Mr. Dix, the board of directors
01:06:03.83	Chair Luxembourg	The floor is yours.
01:06:05.37	Keith Diggs	Okay, sounds good. Hello, everyone. I'm Keith Diggs. I'm an attorney with EMB Law. I am deeply concerned that the city is planning to remove site capacity amidst a housing crisis. I don't think this is funny. I got priced out of Arizona because my rent went up 30% because some of the Californians had to move into my state because it was impossible to find a place to live in the Bay Area.
01:06:26.83	Keith Diggs	And there's a large movement that's going to keep advocating for more housing until we get it. So you can get with the program now or later.
01:06:34.95	Keith Diggs	I have some specific concerns I want to raise your attention because we are considering litigation about these issues. Number one, the city of Sausalito has yet to receive comment from ACD, as I understand
01:06:48.32	Keith Diggs	Section 65585, subdivision B of the government code.
01:06:53.97	Keith Diggs	has some specific requirements around the adoption of revised draft housing elements.
01:06:59.10	Keith Diggs	One of them is that you have to let a, sorry, I'm busy right now.
01:07:03.20	Unknown	I've been.
01:07:04.55	Keith Diggs	One of them is that you have to allow a subsequent draft housing to be open for public comment for seven days before submission to HCD.
01:07:13.56	Keith Diggs	After that, HCD has to be given 60 days to comment on it. Now, I understand that a lot of cities are planning to take the self-certification route under subdivision F.
01:07:23.72	Keith Diggs	That has some problems with it too. Subdivision F allows you to either change a housing element in response to a rejection from ACD, which requires going through all the procedures.
01:07:34.55	Keith Diggs	or you can adopt the current draft without changes with findings as to why you think HCD is wrong
01:07:41.54	Keith Diggs	that your housing element is out of compliance. I do not think any of those possibilities will go well for you. And I would strongly encourage the city to take its time and get the housing element right
01:07:54.03	Keith Diggs	before adopting. Thank you.
01:07:57.39	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Diggs, thank you for your comments. Next speaker, Director Fitzhith, Jenny Silva, is that correct?
01:08:06.03	Chair Luxenberg	Bye.
01:08:06.21	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
01:08:06.24	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
01:08:07.73	Chair Luxenberg	I'm seeing that as well, Chair Luxembourg, and I'm going to request that Jenny Silva begin speaking and we'll start your time.
01:08:16.89	Chair Luxenberg	Ms. Silva, the floor is yours.
01:08:19.26	Jenny Silva	Hi, thanks.
01:08:23.20	Jenny Silva	I will do my best. I'm actually quite upset seeing all this as,
01:08:28.45	Jenny Silva	Keith Diggs mentioned there's a problem with the process that Sausalito is undertaking. I will not repeat that, but I will
01:08:35.34	Jenny Silva	say, I find it a bit offensive,
01:08:38.69	Jenny Silva	And I find it really problematic what is being proposed tonight. The revisions to the site inventory are substantial.
01:08:45.55	Jenny Silva	and the timing of changing the site
01:08:47.89	Jenny Silva	inventory is questionable at best.
01:08:50.41	Jenny Silva	We have not yet received the EIR or the comments from the state.
01:08:54.24	Jenny Silva	And these revisions are swapping out over 10% of the sites and are proposing a major reduction
01:09:00.19	Jenny Silva	in the previous buffer, which wasn't
01:09:02.62	Jenny Silva	extensive as it was.
01:09:04.43	Jenny Silva	There is no new information that you have today that justifies these changes.
01:09:09.43	Jenny Silva	The number of people being served by city hall hasn't changed.
01:09:12.56	Jenny Silva	The noise levels in the marine ship haven't changed.
01:09:15.90	Jenny Silva	These changes were not announced to HIAC or those who commented on the housing elements.
01:09:21.15	Jenny Silva	which is really upsetting, frankly.
01:09:24.14	Jenny Silva	The previous site inventory went through an extensive process. This new one has not. I've sat through many housing element meetings for many jurisdictions, and I've never seen a jurisdiction make this many changes
01:09:35.14	Jenny Silva	this late in the stage,
01:09:36.66	Jenny Silva	without a good process.
01:09:38.52	Jenny Silva	Um,
01:09:39.26	Jenny Silva	This is also not what was submitted to HCD. The comments that you're getting tomorrow is gonna be on a different site inventory. So they're not valid to this one.
01:09:47.73	Jenny Silva	Lastly, thanking the HIAC feels like a joke. It honestly feels like a slap in the face.
01:09:53.33	Jenny Silva	Um,
01:09:54.40	Jenny Silva	Commissioner Syed and Feller tried over and over again to remove city hall and these other sites and they could never get the support of the HEAC to do so.
01:10:03.37	Jenny Silva	So now they are taking this back route
01:10:06.23	Jenny Silva	process that was not announced to people in the HAC to try and do it.
01:10:10.83	Jenny Silva	um
01:10:11.83	Jenny Silva	in a process that's not compliant with the state.
01:10:14.97	Jenny Silva	Frankly, it makes me feel like I wasted hours and hours and hours of my time.
01:10:20.67	Jenny Silva	Thanks.
01:10:23.10	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Ms. Silva. The next comment I have, I'm seeing is Chris S. Is Commissioner Phipps, you concur with him?
01:10:34.36	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
01:10:34.37	Chair Luxenberg	Yes, thank you, Chair. I'm going to request that
01:10:37.46	Chair Luxenberg	Chris unmute themselves and we'll start your time.
01:10:41.17	Chris Sullivan	Hello Chris Sullivan here, a resident of Sausalito.
01:10:47.48	Chris Sullivan	I think I would.
01:10:49.26	Chris Sullivan	First of all, congratulations for all of that work, giving 885 comments.
01:10:57.44	Chris Sullivan	It's a vast task and I know it must have been
01:11:02.39	Chris Sullivan	a lot of work for all the people involved, Brandon and all the commissioners.
01:11:09.49	Chris Sullivan	It's a monumental project, my experience in planning and
01:11:16.97	Chris Sullivan	and planning.
01:11:19.45	Chris Sullivan	But I have a question which addressed to the chair, most likely would go to Sergio Rudin. A number of people that I'm in contact with in the community in Sausalito also shared these thoughts that having put such a huge and good effort into
01:11:43.10	Chris Sullivan	this rezoning effectively of the city to accommodate the requirements. I have a question, please.
01:11:53.99	Chris Sullivan	Section 65585, Section 1, says that for any subsequent draft revision, the local government shall post the draft revision and email the link
01:12:11.51	Chris Sullivan	at least seven days before submitting the draft revision to the department.
01:12:18.46	Chris Sullivan	i.e., of course, it's a democratic process.
01:12:26.49	Chris Sullivan	be one that was
01:12:28.40	Chris Sullivan	The
01:12:28.43	Unknown	Bye.
01:12:29.68	Chris Sullivan	Two, the planning agency staff shall collect and compile the public comments
01:12:37.68	Chris Sullivan	this is a follow-on from one, regarding the housing elements received by the city
01:12:44.12	Chris Sullivan	and provide these comments to each member of the legislative body before it adopts the housing element.
01:12:56.16	Chair Luxenberg	Mr. Sullivan, if I may, your time has elapsed. If you could please finish up your public comment, and we would appreciate it.
01:13:11.60	Chair Luxembourg	Is Mr. Sullivan muted by the Zoom team have to unmute again?
01:13:17.69	Chair Luxenberg	Yeah, Zoom team, can we just unmute Chris Sullivan briefly to let him finish his statement?
01:13:22.95	Chris Sullivan	Thanks, Martin.
01:13:23.98	Chair Luxenberg	.
01:13:24.27	Chris Sullivan	Yeah.
01:13:24.93	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
01:13:25.44	Chris Sullivan	So B1 and B2, these comments will be provided over seven days from the public.
01:13:33.55	Chris Sullivan	then considered
01:13:35.78	Chris Sullivan	by the officials and electeds.
01:13:38.60	Chris Sullivan	and then adopt it.
01:13:40.03	Chris Sullivan	So there's a minimum seven day period
01:13:43.80	Chris Sullivan	during which time
01:13:46.33	Chris Sullivan	residents and other interested parties can comment.
01:13:49.79	Chris Sullivan	My fear is, and I have
01:13:53.24	Chris Sullivan	a horse in both races on the housing element.
01:13:56.94	Chris Sullivan	rezoning. Some would possibly advantage me, others would seriously disadvantage me, but that's what it is.
01:14:05.63	Chris Sullivan	But the thought that
01:14:07.76	Chris Sullivan	applications that are put in
01:14:10.34	Chris Sullivan	under the new rules.
01:14:12.84	Chris Sullivan	could be taken down by the court because the housing element
01:14:18.17	Chris Sullivan	was not effectively adopted or legally adopted
01:14:23.37	Chris Sullivan	would create, in my opinion,
01:14:26.57	Chris Sullivan	hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuits
01:14:29.68	Chris Sullivan	Folks, you've come this far.
01:14:32.75	Chris Sullivan	just
01:14:33.61	Chris Sullivan	follow the end of the process so it's done forever.
01:14:38.00	Chris Sullivan	Mr. Sullivan, thank you very much for your comments. Those are my comments. Thank you.
01:14:38.08	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Silliman, thank you very much for your comment.
01:14:41.19	Chris Sullivan	Thank you.
01:14:41.22	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Sullivan for your comments. We'll move on to let's see what was
01:14:48.90	Chair Luxembourg	Ms. Sibyl
01:14:51.97	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
01:14:52.14	Chair Luxembourg	Help me with the pronunciation, Brandon. I believe Sybil Boutier.
01:14:56.27	Unknown	I believe so.
01:14:58.27	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
01:14:59.24	Chair Luxembourg	I apologize for not getting the name right. Sybil, the floor is yours, thank you.
01:15:07.21	Chair Luxembourg	You're muted still.
01:15:11.75	Chair Luxembourg	Several years still muted.
01:15:15.78	Sybil Boutier	There we go.
01:15:17.55	Sybil Boutier	Can you hear me now?
01:15:18.62	Chair Luxembourg	Now we can. Thank you so much.
01:15:21.03	Sybil Boutier	Can you hear me now?
01:15:23.10	Sybil Boutier	Yeah.
01:15:23.14	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
01:15:24.42	Sybil Boutier	Yes, okay.
01:15:25.48	Sybil Boutier	Sorry about that.
01:15:26.61	Sybil Boutier	Um,
01:15:28.30	Sybil Boutier	First of all, I just want to say something about my role here. I am Chair of Age Friendly Salcedo.
01:15:34.14	Sybil Boutier	And I'm chair of the Marin County Commission on Aging's Equity
01:15:38.90	Sybil Boutier	I'm the equity chair for the Marine Commission on Aging. And so I have my primary mandate, as most of you know,
01:15:46.39	Sybil Boutier	is really to advocate for seniors. And that's what I try to do the best of my ability.
01:15:52.85	Sybil Boutier	And,
01:15:54.24	Sybil Boutier	So,
01:15:56.16	Sybil Boutier	I don't, you know, I think it's kind of exciting to have the opportunity, you know, to have the author on.
01:16:04.26	Sybil Boutier	one of our landlords to look at the possibility of doing a continuing care community.
01:16:12.09	Sybil Boutier	Yeah.
01:16:13.02	Sybil Boutier	facility in our community is so needed.
01:16:18.76	Sybil Boutier	I would just add that
01:16:21.68	Sybil Boutier	42% of the population of South Salido is over 60. 34% of the population of Marin is over 65. And 73% of people over 65 in Marin live alone.
01:16:35.11	Sybil Boutier	So these are people
01:16:37.14	Sybil Boutier	many of them
01:16:38.59	Sybil Boutier	will eventually be looking for something other than single
01:16:44.43	Sybil Boutier	You know, living alone in a home, you know, a full house, or having to have some kind of community support around them.
01:16:54.40	Sybil Boutier	So I just think it's a great idea and I want to say that.
01:16:57.79	Sybil Boutier	But beyond that,
01:17:00.31	Sybil Boutier	Um,
01:17:01.47	Sybil Boutier	Just one thing, I don't quite understand the comments about the noise because there's actually a very serene
01:17:08.81	Sybil Boutier	place down there, I go personally to sit under this, there's this knoll with this beautiful big tree and a, and a bench, and I sit there to look at the bay when I'm not actually going out in my small boat that I keep right there at the, um,
01:17:24.40	Sybil Boutier	at the model. But I just want to say two other things. I'm really glad HBR mentioned the comment 63, because the law did change about group homes, residential facilities to go beyond six beds, seven and more. And so that was an important change. And also in regards to the reasonable accommodation,
01:17:50.46	Sybil Boutier	Um,
01:17:51.50	Sybil Boutier	I think it'd be really great to make sure that we continue to highlight our building permit waiver process, which makes it more affordable.
01:18:03.20	Sybil Boutier	for landlords of a multi-unit facility, for example, as well as homeowners to make accommodations to their homes. Thank you very much.
01:18:12.31	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you very much for your comment. We appreciate it.
01:18:15.30	Chair Luxembourg	I know.
01:18:15.60	Sybil Boutier	They're building.
01:18:17.52	Chair Luxembourg	Sybil, thank you so much for your comments. We need to move on and we'll really appreciate your comments. At this point, Peter McGuire, Mr. McGuire, if we could bring Mr. McGuire up, Zoom team, that would be good.
01:18:32.85	Chair Luxembourg	of the
01:18:32.91	Peter McGuire	Bye.
01:18:32.93	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
01:18:32.97	Peter McGuire	Okay.
01:18:33.08	Chair Luxembourg	Hey, can you hear me?
01:18:34.45	Chair Luxembourg	Yes, we can hear you.
01:18:36.26	Peter McGuire	Well, let me take a little different tack with the planning commission.
01:18:40.31	Peter McGuire	And I want to focus on a relatively small site
01:18:43.65	Peter McGuire	At 66 Marion.
01:18:46.01	Peter McGuire	I represent
01:18:47.65	Peter McGuire	the homeowners of that area.
01:18:51.14	Peter McGuire	And many of these residents, we've opposed the inclusion of 66 Marion as an opportunity site.
01:18:57.96	Peter McGuire	but dead rezoning for quite some time.
01:19:01.21	Peter McGuire	The reasons that we did this are pretty obvious.
01:19:04.54	Peter McGuire	It's bisected by a GGNRR creek.
01:19:08.56	Peter McGuire	that reduces its buildable size and all sorts of soil conditions.
01:19:13.70	Peter McGuire	It's on a narrow, dead-end street representing a hazard to public safety. I could go on and on.
01:19:20.06	Peter McGuire	We trusted the planning commission
01:19:22.97	Peter McGuire	would sooner or later take a close look at this site
01:19:26.88	Peter McGuire	And with its expertise,
01:19:29.12	Peter McGuire	conclude that 66th Marion, site 100th,
01:19:32.52	Peter McGuire	is a terrible choice as an opportunity site.
01:19:36.62	Peter McGuire	You did not disappoint us.
01:19:39.08	Peter McGuire	Thank you very much.
01:19:42.76	Chair Luxembourg	Uh, Mr. McGuire, thank you for your comments. Next on the list, Ms. Buschmaker, welcome back. Uh, can we unmute Ms. Buschmaker and the floor is yours.
01:19:54.86	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you very much.
01:19:56.07	Sandra Bushmaker	I want to tell you how much I appreciate all the work that has gone into the program tonight and trying to meet the deadline, which has always been January 31st, 2023.
01:20:07.94	Sandra Bushmaker	And so I appreciate the push, the effort to get this done, because the consequences are so huge.
01:20:14.06	Sandra Bushmaker	for Sausalito and Sausalito will lose local control unless we get this thing adopted.
01:20:20.48	Sandra Bushmaker	I submitted a letter today
01:20:23.58	Sandra Bushmaker	basically taking the position that there should be no housing south of Harbor Drive in the Marin ship.
01:20:29.62	Sandra Bushmaker	for the reasons stated in the letter. And I will not go over them because I'm going to stay within my two minutes, which I hope everybody else does too.
01:20:37.35	Sandra Bushmaker	Um,
01:20:38.72	Sandra Bushmaker	There's plenty of opportunity for housing in the north.
01:20:41.57	Sandra Bushmaker	part of Bridgeway and we can talk about that sometime if you
01:20:46.09	Sandra Bushmaker	You've already identified some.
01:20:48.30	Sandra Bushmaker	With regard to
01:20:50.36	Sandra Bushmaker	the amount of mail that was received in the public record. I just want to bring to your attention that my letter of September 13, 2022, did not make it to the public record. And it was addressed to HIEC and it was addressed to our consultant.
01:21:06.41	Sandra Bushmaker	I know of another instance where letters did not make it to the public record. So I just want to say that I think we can do better in the future.
01:21:14.83	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
01:21:15.00	Sandra Bushmaker	with making sure our public comment gets into the public record.
01:21:19.93	Sandra Bushmaker	And lastly,
01:21:23.69	Sandra Bushmaker	I kind of had to laugh at HCD wanting us to do infrastructure and sea level rise and everything on top of the 724 units. I think they're being completely unrealistic and it's going to cause some serious problems in our culture.
01:21:39.70	Sandra Bushmaker	With regard to the clarification of the date changes, I would like to hear them. This is the first time I've heard that there were date changes by HCD.
01:21:48.66	Sandra Bushmaker	And I'd be curious to know what those were. Thank you very much.
01:21:52.53	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Bookmaker, thanks. Thank you for your comments.
01:21:56.58	Chair Luxembourg	Next on the list that I have, Director Phipps is John.
01:22:02.79	Chair Luxembourg	John, if you can identify your name and address for the record, because you don't have your full name there, but the floor is yours.
01:22:10.77	John DeRay	Thank you, my name is John DeRay. I am a member of the Saucerito Working Waterfront Coalition. We submitted an email that we had submitted in the past, and we included more signatures about some of the sites in the Marinship. I won't go over that again because it is in the email. I wanted to thank the planning commission for the work that they did. And I understand that the HIAC did a lot of work but the HIAC is the housing element committee is 10 people and we represent over 1,000 people. We included 277 signatures on our open letter to city council that we forwarded to you.
01:23:05.33	John DeRay	We have many others that we're compiling and we'll get to City Council.
01:23:09.98	John DeRay	Um,
01:23:10.90	John DeRay	And
01:23:11.72	John DeRay	I also wanted to make a comment that
01:23:14.85	John DeRay	Um,
01:23:15.74	John DeRay	I have heard from some property owners
01:23:20.28	John DeRay	in the last week that they had never been contacted by DeNovo and that they are interested in housing on their property. And it doesn't look to me like they were included yet in this discussion.
01:23:37.66	John DeRay	list of housing. So I advise them to talk to the city.
01:23:42.15	John DeRay	and City Council. So hopefully they'll do that.
01:23:44.73	John DeRay	Um,
01:23:46.33	John DeRay	And the last thing I wanted to say is there was a comment from HCD related to Galilee and sea level rise.
01:23:52.14	John DeRay	I just wanted to, and I could be wrong, but I wanted to make sure HCD understands that Galilee Harbor is a floating home community and key level rise does not affect Galilee at all. Thank you.
01:24:00.24	Mr. Dixon	Bye.
01:24:00.26	Chair Luxembourg	And he's.
01:24:07.18	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you for your comments. I'm not seeing any additional hands raised. Director Phipps.
01:24:17.30	Chair Luxembourg	I see one now. I've seen two more now. Yes, thank you. They were just there, so that's fine. The first one I see is CB. If you could identify your name and address for the record, and the floor is yours.
01:24:18.77	Chair Luxenberg	I'm seeing two of the actual applications.
01:24:36.00	Carlito Berg	Well, everybody.
01:24:36.98	Carlito Berg	Carlito Berg, representative of sites 67 and 68.
01:24:40.42	Carlito Berg	Thank you guys very much for having this meeting.
01:24:43.27	Carlito Berg	Um,
01:24:46.32	Carlito Berg	I think a lot.
01:24:47.39	Carlito Berg	has been said about
01:24:49.26	Carlito Berg	Um,
01:24:50.68	Carlito Berg	the legal inadequacy of
01:24:53.09	Carlito Berg	uh,
01:24:53.80	Carlito Berg	of the process as it sits.
01:24:55.71	Carlito Berg	Um,
01:24:56.57	Carlito Berg	But I.
01:24:57.53	Carlito Berg	I really don't wanna talk about that. What I really would like to talk about
01:25:01.80	Carlito Berg	is
01:25:03.27	Carlito Berg	is something that's close and personal to me.
01:25:05.34	Carlito Berg	which is
01:25:06.79	Carlito Berg	On on this day a year ago, my
01:25:08.94	Carlito Berg	My father passed away from Alzheimer's dementia.
01:25:11.81	Carlito Berg	And he passed away in a facility, a memory care facility in Santa Rosa.
01:25:17.02	Carlito Berg	And he passed away in that facility.
01:25:19.55	Carlito Berg	because there are
01:25:20.72	Carlito Berg	Almost no options.
01:25:22.49	Carlito Berg	that.
01:25:22.84	Carlito Berg	I'm coming.
01:25:24.04	Carlito Berg	We took care of him at home for two years.
01:25:26.89	Carlito Berg	But when his condition got sufficiently advanced,
01:25:30.30	Carlito Berg	It wasn't possible to do that.
01:25:33.73	Carlito Berg	The reality is,
01:25:35.52	Carlito Berg	You know, we're all going to get old and die.
01:25:38.11	Carlito Berg	And
01:25:38.70	Carlito Berg	in the time on this earth that we have.
01:25:41.64	Carlito Berg	It's.
01:25:42.20	Carlito Berg	there's nothing more important than being together with the ones that we love.
01:25:45.17	Carlito Berg	There's nothing else that matters more than
01:25:47.41	Carlito Berg	being with each other.
01:25:48.66	Carlito Berg	and the built environment
01:25:49.89	Carlito Berg	facilitates that.
01:25:51.73	Carlito Berg	10% of all people are going to have memory issues or Alzheimer's dementia.
01:25:56.49	Carlito Berg	And if you look at the demographics
01:25:58.89	Carlito Berg	Sausalito.
01:26:00.27	Carlito Berg	By any metric, that means several hundred people.
01:26:03.11	Carlito Berg	Um,
01:26:03.66	Carlito Berg	of our substantial senior community.
01:26:05.86	Carlito Berg	are going to be afflicted with that condition.
01:26:08.10	Carlito Berg	Currently,
01:26:08.84	Carlito Berg	Most of those folks are living in single family homes.
01:26:11.48	Carlito Berg	on the hills.
01:26:13.65	Carlito Berg	win 40% grades.
01:26:15.61	Commissioner Saad	There's a lot of
01:26:16.15	Carlito Berg	disaster or something else of that nature.
01:26:18.58	Carlito Berg	Um,
01:26:20.10	Carlito Berg	tragedy would be terrible.
01:26:22.38	Carlito Berg	There's opportunities
01:26:24.40	Carlito Berg	to
01:26:25.55	Carlito Berg	with our site and with other sites.
01:26:27.73	Carlito Berg	to not.
01:26:28.72	Carlito Berg	go forward and
01:26:30.07	Carlito Berg	do that and to look at some
01:26:32.28	Carlito Berg	Um,
01:26:32.96	Carlito Berg	beautiful, beneficial things for the city.
01:26:35.49	Carlito Berg	I hope.
01:26:36.25	Carlito Berg	that
01:26:36.82	Carlito Berg	It's possible.
01:26:38.29	Carlito Berg	to maintain our sites and keep them in.
01:26:40.99	Carlito Berg	Um,
01:26:41.99	Carlito Berg	for no other reason.
01:26:43.30	Carlito Berg	than the seniors of the city needed.
01:26:45.56	Carlito Berg	Thank you.
01:26:46.83	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Mr. Broderick.
01:26:48.08	Chair Luxembourg	Next on the list here is Craig Morales. I hope I pronounced it correctly.
01:26:57.73	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Morelle.
01:27:00.73	Craig Merrilees	Hi, this is Craig Merrilees. I work with the
01:27:03.76	Chair Luxembourg	with the sauce.
01:27:06.15	Craig Merrilees	Go ahead.
01:27:07.45	Craig Merrilees	Thank you.
01:27:08.40	Craig Merrilees	Um,
01:27:09.78	Craig Merrilees	I want to thank
01:27:11.33	Craig Merrilees	everyone involved tonight, including the members of the Commission for slogging through a long and difficult process to try and
01:27:20.71	Craig Merrilees	come up with a way to try and address our housing needs.
01:27:24.93	Craig Merrilees	Um,
01:27:26.98	Craig Merrilees	So these needs are gonna be addressed
01:27:29.69	Craig Merrilees	myself and others will continue to push for senior housing.
01:27:34.11	Craig Merrilees	on city sites where more of it can be built that's affordable than on private sites.
01:27:39.95	Craig Merrilees	Um,
01:27:41.52	Craig Merrilees	And I want to remind
01:27:43.14	Craig Merrilees	that we're not going to
01:27:45.00	Craig Merrilees	The last time we took a major survey of seniors and their preferences, most of them wanted to stay in their own homes.
01:27:52.57	Craig Merrilees	Um,
01:27:53.65	Craig Merrilees	Sometimes we
01:27:55.43	Craig Merrilees	We hear other ideas, but that's a pretty sobering fact.
01:27:59.63	Craig Merrilees	We've heard threats of lawsuits tonight.
01:28:04.76	Craig Merrilees	disappointment from people who served on the housing advisory committee, but it was an advisory committee and the democratic processes
01:28:13.23	Craig Merrilees	is before us here, the Planning Commission is weighing in the City Council weighing in, I don't know what's going to happen.
01:28:19.64	Craig Merrilees	It will be a process that tried to look at all these sites and come up with
01:28:24.86	Craig Merrilees	where the best place for the best sites in the city can be. And some people will agree and disagree, but,
01:28:31.67	Craig Merrilees	It's it's a difficult call.
01:28:35.42	Craig Merrilees	I will say that we have over 100 additional sites
01:28:39.59	Craig Merrilees	beyond the 724.
01:28:42.32	Craig Merrilees	which was probably an unfair number to begin with, but we have over a hundred additional ones.
01:28:48.21	Craig Merrilees	Um,
01:28:49.02	Craig Merrilees	you know, kudos to people who...
01:28:52.56	Craig Merrilees	took this challenge and made the hard decisions.
01:28:56.29	Craig Merrilees	tried to deal with all the complications and came up with their best judgment.
01:29:01.17	Craig Merrilees	So thank you to the
01:29:02.77	Craig Merrilees	to the Planning Commission for
01:29:04.49	Craig Merrilees	doing your best with a difficult situation.
01:29:08.21	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you very much for your comments.
01:29:10.82	Chair Luxembourg	uh let me see uh i'm uh director footsteps i'm not seeing additional numbers at this point are you seeing anybody else
01:29:20.78	Chair Luxembourg	Chair Leisenberg, seeing none. Thank you. Okay, so at this point, I'm going to close public comment on this item. And I want to bring us back to what are we doing here tonight? We have a motion on the floor, which has been seconded. And our job as part of this housing element process is after the committee process and after the work of the HIAC and also our working group and the members of the council was to bring it back to this planning commission and give the city council a recommendation. So what we're doing this evening, this isn't the final step, but we are making a recommendation to the city council. And so at this point, we have a motion on the floor, which has been seconded and I will open it up to the commissioners if anybody wants any changes or amendments to the motion on the floor. If we get into individual sites, we will need to segment this conversation, but before seeing if we even have comments on, we'll wait to figure out how to do that process if it's even needed. So at this point, I'm gonna ask the two commissioners that were not in the working group. First, Commissioner Graff, do you have any questions, additional questions or comments or recommended amendments?
01:30:38.54	Commissioner Graff	Um,
01:30:40.14	Commissioner Graff	Not much.
01:30:42.54	Commissioner Graff	I'm seeing the process working here.
01:30:46.13	Commissioner Graff	Um,
01:30:46.72	Commissioner Graff	I did have a question.
01:30:50.45	Commissioner Graff	there was mention
01:30:52.19	Commissioner Graff	in the reports, I forgot where it was.
01:30:56.06	Unknown	I mean,
01:30:56.38	Commissioner Graff	AND THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT
01:30:58.22	Commissioner Graff	that reference
01:30:59.87	Commissioner Graff	parking sites.
01:31:01.98	Commissioner Graff	And I'm not quite sure what is meant by that, but
01:31:06.11	Commissioner Graff	if one were to turn a parking lot or a parking site into housing,
01:31:11.09	Commissioner Graff	where would people park?
01:31:12.83	Commissioner Graff	It's just, it may be a rhetorical question,
01:31:16.19	Commissioner Graff	it did sort of
01:31:19.12	Commissioner Graff	jog me a little bit and I didn't understand it.
01:31:22.31	Commissioner Graff	So if I could get a quick explanation.
01:31:25.00	Commissioner Graff	That would be great.
01:31:26.47	Commissioner Graff	Um,
01:31:27.44	Commissioner Graff	Otherwise, I want to...
01:31:31.68	Commissioner Graff	reiterate and support any efforts and
01:31:36.89	Commissioner Graff	everything for senior housing. I think it's really vital for our community. So I want to support every
01:31:46.58	Commissioner Graff	aspect of the plan that supports that.
01:31:51.00	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you, Commissioner Graff. I don't know if that was a question for Beth or Commissioner, was that related to the city hall parking lot or is that related to the city hall parking lot?
01:32:01.87	Commissioner Graff	Well,
01:32:03.30	Commissioner Graff	um, well, no, that's, that's an obvious one, but I, I did notice that, uh, uh,
01:32:09.73	Commissioner Graff	parking sites
01:32:11.94	Commissioner Graff	were mentioned that
01:32:13.88	Commissioner Graff	Two or three.
01:32:15.28	Commissioner Graff	And I didn't write them down which
01:32:20.47	Commissioner Graff	which sites they were, but I was just unclear as to the meaning of it.
01:32:26.42	Commissioner Graff	and what the implications might be.
01:32:29.34	Beth	I'm happy to chime in. So there are two contexts for discussing parking and the housing element. And one is there are sites that have existing parking, such as the Altamira site, that are anticipated for redevelopment.
01:32:41.19	Beth	And it's expected that if housing was developed there, it would incorporate parking.
01:32:46.08	Beth	There is a separate component of state law, AB 2011, that allows sites that are retail, office, and parking uses to be redeveloped with residential uses. And that's a mandate of state law. Eligible projects have to be accommodated.
01:33:03.50	Beth	the parking there could be lost conceivably. And so, yes, your rhetorical question of where would the parking go is a good one, but one that the state did not fully address in AB 2011.
01:33:16.20	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you. Commissioner Graft, that was a good question. Is that helpful?
01:33:23.29	Chair Luxembourg	Do you have any other questions at this time?
01:33:26.36	Commissioner Graff	Oh, um.
01:33:32.60	Commissioner Graff	No, I just am amazed that
01:33:37.69	Commissioner Graff	this group, the HIAC, and everybody was able to come up with a plan and a surplus
01:33:45.68	Commissioner Graff	under the circumstances and I just can't say
01:33:50.93	Commissioner Graff	how much I appreciate what they've done.
01:33:53.87	Commissioner Graff	Thank you.
01:33:54.90	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Graff. Vice Chair Junius, any questions, amendments, comments at this point?
01:34:08.24	Vice Chair Junius	I don't think so. I think
01:34:11.13	Vice Chair Junius	the public comment was very interesting and I,
01:34:14.40	Vice Chair Junius	Um,
01:34:15.64	Vice Chair Junius	Still.
01:34:16.45	Vice Chair Junius	I'm wondering if any of the commissioners would engage in a dialogue about
01:34:19.97	Vice Chair Junius	putting these removed sites back on.
01:34:22.02	Vice Chair Junius	Uh,
01:34:22.51	Vice Chair Junius	as they were taken off at a late date, but if that's
01:34:25.58	Vice Chair Junius	If that's not in the cards, I don't have any further questions.
01:34:30.22	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, Commissioner Saad, any additional comments, questions? Thank you. Your floor is yours.
01:34:40.48	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
01:34:40.49	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
01:34:40.51	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
01:34:42.18	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you. Can you hear me?
01:34:43.68	Chair Luxembourg	Yes, we can.
01:34:44.31	Commissioner Tsai	No, I wanted to say thank you to the public. It's all wonderful to hear from the oral to the written comment.
01:34:54.28	Commissioner Tsai	It is important to note if there is missing public comment, like we heard tonight, the virtual binder should be
01:35:01.79	Commissioner Tsai	Hopefully up to date. If there's anything missing, I'd be happy to help with that effort. As a member of HIAC, we should have received those emails.
01:35:10.43	Commissioner Tsai	UM,
01:35:11.24	Commissioner Tsai	to find them for public record. And I would hope that this presentation
01:35:16.23	Commissioner Tsai	be added to our virtual binder as well for the public to
01:35:20.72	Commissioner Tsai	continue to review.
01:35:22.16	Commissioner Tsai	You know, of course,
01:35:24.81	Commissioner Tsai	supportive of this presentation and I I just would like
01:35:30.36	Commissioner Tsai	to
01:35:31.96	Commissioner Tsai	I would like to note for the public that we are in this position. It is part of the planning commission remit to be able to
01:35:41.24	Commissioner Tsai	Make some changes again with also a recommendation. We have to look forward and note to what
01:35:49.46	Commissioner Tsai	HCD is going to say to us. And so there's still opportunity,
01:35:55.79	Commissioner Tsai	I don't have any further comments to add.
01:35:58.68	Commissioner Tsai	And I just really want to
01:36:01.32	Commissioner Tsai	thank DeNovo for their their assistance with us tonight.
01:36:06.05	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Saab. Commissioner Feller, any additional comments at this point?
01:36:11.59	Christina Fellock	Thank you chair Luxenberg I I appreciate.
01:36:15.79	Christina Fellock	that putting plans like this together that are citywide are always difficult.
01:36:21.52	Christina Fellock	And there is a lot of to-ing and fro-ing and you're going to make some people happy about some of it and some people not as happy about it. It affects all of us no matter where the housing is. So I just want to reaffirm that the site suitability criteria in Appendix C is a really critical piece of looking at sites.
01:36:45.17	Christina Fellock	and for the city,
01:36:49.60	Christina Fellock	Even if we get an approved housing plan from the state or when we get that approved housing plan from the state,
01:36:56.62	Christina Fellock	The work is not done.
01:36:58.75	Christina Fellock	We have to have a viable
01:37:02.21	Christina Fellock	bulletproof justifiable plan
01:37:05.40	Christina Fellock	that is actually achievable. So it's not a group of people just looking at where are all the blank sites around town. That is not what this exercise is about.
01:37:16.35	Christina Fellock	And the site suitability criteria is key to it.
01:37:20.40	Christina Fellock	And so I fully endorse this plan based on that and based on the viability of what we're putting forth to actually come to full fruition. With the city, so I have a motion on the floor and I still support it.
01:37:41.43	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Chair Keller. I mean, Commissioner Keller. Not useless, it's only about a couple of weeks. So again, we have a motion on the floor. I want to make one additional comment. It is subtly in some of the program elements, there is a lot of reporting requirements for CDD throughout. And one of the recommendations was including some others beyond CDD and the requirements that for some of those recording requirements, I would like to see as part of this plan, and it is in the items that are as part of this recommendation to the city council, that CDD's staff resources go to the creation of housing, greater than of senior housing, greater than affordable housing, and less so into lots of reporting requirements that are well maybe important or not as a major priority as the actual creation of housing.
01:37:49.22	Mr. Dixon	Oh.
01:38:41.32	Chair Luxembourg	And that was part of some of the programs that
01:38:43.91	Chair Luxembourg	we're commenting on and I just wanted to flag that for everyone.
01:38:47.95	Chair Luxembourg	With that, we have a motion on the floor and I'd ask the director Phipps to take role call vote.
01:38:54.87	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you, Chair Luxenberg. Regarding the motion on the floor, I will call roll.
01:39:00.94	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Hassan.
01:39:02.63	Unknown	Yes.
01:39:04.11	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Graham.
01:39:05.38	Unknown	Yeah.
01:39:05.72	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
01:39:06.83	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Feller.
01:39:08.23	Christina Fellock	Yes.
01:39:09.55	Chair Luxenberg	Vice Chair Juniors.
01:39:11.17	Vice Chair Junius	Yes.
01:39:13.13	Chair Luxenberg	Sure, Luxembourg.
01:39:14.36	Chair Luxenberg	Yes.
01:39:14.97	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
01:39:15.44	Chair Luxenberg	Motion carries unanimously. Thank you.
01:39:15.89	Chair Luxembourg	I'm sorry.
01:39:17.46	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you all and we will meet all of us again on Monday on this issue again, a joint meeting of the City Council. At this point in the meeting, I would like to excuse Andrew, who I know is not feeling so well. So we will still have a quorum and we will still continue, but Andrews, thank you for going through this item on the agenda.
01:39:39.60	Vice Chair Junius	Thank you, Chair Luxembourg, and we'll see everybody next week.
01:39:42.66	Christina Fellock	Thanks, Vice Chair.
01:39:44.23	Chair Luxembourg	With that let's move on to item six public hearing director Phipps if you could outline for the public, the way we do the steps in the public hearing and that would be appreciated and calling the first item as well.
01:39:59.68	Chair Luxenberg	Certainly. Thank you, Chair Luxenberg. So for regular hearings, generally we start with a staff presentation, followed by planning commission questions for staff, followed by an optional applicant presentation of 15 minutes per team. Planning commission will offer questions for the applicant. There will then be a public comment portion, an applicant rebuttal portion with a reserve time, if applicable, and then a Planning Commission discussion deliberation and ultimate decision.
01:39:59.78	Chair Luxembourg	Certainly.
01:40:36.42	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you so much for that. The first item is 118 to 120 Buchanan. And if you could introduce Chris.
01:40:47.03	Chair Luxenberg	Yeah.
01:40:48.50	Chair Luxenberg	Certainly, yeah, I think that this is one of the first opportunities that you had to work with Kristin Taiki. She is a member of our all-star planning staff, and we are very lucky to have her in CDD. Kristin, I will turn the floor over to you.
01:40:48.55	Chair Luxembourg	Certainly.
01:41:09.01	Kristin Taiki	Thank you. I do not have a PowerPoint presentation for you tonight.
01:41:15.22	Kristin Taiki	Since I'm working part-time, we're trying to manage my time in the most efficient way possible.
01:41:19.72	Kristin Taiki	So I'm going to give you verbal reports.
01:41:22.42	Kristin Taiki	I want to also acknowledge that we received three late mail items in response to this application. All three were submitted by Antonetta Olivia.
01:41:32.89	Kristin Taiki	on January 19th, the 23rd and the 25th of 2023.
01:41:37.31	Kristin Taiki	All three of these emails were forwarded to the commissioners and attached to the agenda on the city website.
01:41:45.68	Kristin Taiki	Commission should note that the information in these emails was not part of the record when the staff report was drafted. So if there's new information you want to consider
01:41:55.07	Kristin Taiki	Certainly, that's appropriate.
01:41:57.88	Kristin Taiki	The applicant,
01:41:59.63	Kristin Taiki	Steve Clements on behalf of Crandy Real Estate is requesting a tree removal permit
01:42:04.88	Kristin Taiki	to allow removal of one coast live oak located in the southeast rear corner of the property.
01:42:10.84	Kristin Taiki	The applicant has stated that the wish to remove a falling oak tree to proactively resolve the situation.
01:42:18.21	Kristin Taiki	An arborist report was prepared on behalf of this applicant and a certified arborist named Zach Svot
01:42:24.91	Kristin Taiki	The report confirms the tree in question is a single trunk, coast live oak, standing approximately 25 feet in height
01:42:32.27	Kristin Taiki	and 17.8 inches in diameter.
01:42:35.68	Kristin Taiki	The report further indicates the foliage of the tree
01:42:38.78	Kristin Taiki	Canopy, trunk, and branches are all in good condition, appear normal and healthy, and the tree is vigorous.
01:42:45.06	Kristin Taiki	The trees growing adjacent to a fence shared with 125, 127 tomalas
01:42:49.95	Kristin Taiki	And prior previous efforts have been made in the fence design to accommodate the trunk.
01:42:54.81	Kristin Taiki	Although the gaps in the fence construction were uneven on either side of the trunk, the arbors could not conclusively state the tree had shifted in this opening.
01:43:03.65	Kristin Taiki	or if the fence maybe had been built unevenly.
01:43:07.01	Kristin Taiki	However, if the tree were to fall, he estimates it will impact the fence and backyards of 125 and 127 tomales, which will result in minor to significant damage.
01:43:16.75	Kristin Taiki	The report also indicates that the arborist was informed that the soil at the bottom of the slope was prone to saturation
01:43:23.15	Kristin Taiki	However, this condition was not present during his inspections and he could not conclude the tree was
01:43:28.80	Kristin Taiki	in process of failure.
01:43:30.69	Kristin Taiki	The report provides the following conclusions. The coast live oak is a species with a large growth potential, and this tree is still young and has lots of growth left in it.
01:43:40.49	Kristin Taiki	The future growth would encroach further into the fence and damage the fence and may cause property damage or create management issues.
01:43:49.88	Kristin Taiki	The subject tree is poorly located near the property line and is a tree with questionable stability due to the possible change in its orientation with fence.
01:43:59.33	Kristin Taiki	Removal of the tree will have a negligible impact on neighboring vegetation or slope stability.
01:44:05.00	Kristin Taiki	To approve the removal of the protected tree, the planning commission is directed to consider the criteria for approval under 1112-03-OB of the South Slater Municipal Code.
01:44:15.53	Kristin Taiki	Based on the submitted harvest report,
01:44:18.04	Kristin Taiki	The tree was determined to be in good health and condition at the time of inspection in April of 2022 and the arborist did not identify any factors that would conclusively indicate the tree was in decline or in the process of failure.
01:44:31.15	Kristin Taiki	Therefore, staff was unable to identify any eminent health and safety issue regarding the tree.
01:44:37.11	Kristin Taiki	Further, the proposed tree removal is not necessary to accommodate new development.
01:44:41.97	Kristin Taiki	And because it's relatively small, it appears that the property below at 125, 127,
01:44:48.18	Kristin Taiki	Tamala says access to adequate sunlight and it doesn't impact a significant view.
01:44:53.23	Kristin Taiki	Although the tree does impact the design and placement of the fence separating 118, 120 Buchanan and 125, 127 Tomales,
01:45:01.63	Kristin Taiki	This is a common occurrence around Sausalito and is not meeting the criteria for removal.
01:45:07.87	Kristin Taiki	Lastly, there's no indication by the arborist or information provided in the application record demonstrated in the tree removal is necessary to ensure good professional practices of forestry or landscape design.
01:45:19.70	Kristin Taiki	However, since the drafting of the staff report, staff was informed by the property owners of 127 Tamales
01:45:25.96	Kristin Taiki	that there's a shared sewer lateral running through the rear yards of the lots above their property, which they believe is impacted by the trees.
01:45:34.30	Kristin Taiki	Staff checked with the Department of Public Works who confirmed there is a private six inch clay sewer line that runs through the area.
01:45:41.79	Kristin Taiki	DPW is unaware of any damage to the pipe as it is private and they have not been provided a current conditions assessment of this line.
01:45:51.93	Kristin Taiki	This assessment is typically only required when a property is being sold. So it's not something we just do routinely.
01:45:58.78	Kristin Taiki	Further is noted in the report,
01:46:04.51	Kristin Taiki	is currently experiencing above average rainfall. Healthy trees can fail due to oversaturated soil conditions.
01:46:11.69	Kristin Taiki	If the commission's concern regarding the stability of the trees or its possible impacts to the sewer line, it may be appropriate for the commission to continue the application and request either a more recent harvest report
01:46:25.68	Kristin Taiki	that evaluates the tree stability based on the site conditions today after all the rain.
01:46:30.78	Kristin Taiki	and an inspection of the current conditions assessment of the clay sewer pipe.
01:46:36.16	Kristin Taiki	Based on the available information in the records staff recommends the planning Commission deny the tree removal permit a draft resolution of denial was provided for your consideration.
01:46:46.44	Kristin Taiki	And that concludes my report.
01:46:50.00	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you. Thank you, Kristen. I want to thank you for a very thorough report. Also, I want to thank Director Phipps for now bringing staff reports back into the CBD department rather than having to use consultants for all of them. So I think that's an excellent thing and Kristen, we really appreciate your report. At this point, I want to ask other commissioners if we have questions of Kristen at this time before we get the applicant's presentation, rather than going through one at a time, if people can just raise a hand or either in June or physically.
01:47:25.57	Chair Luxembourg	Anybody have specific questions?
01:47:28.73	Chair Luxembourg	I'm not seeing any. Okay, with that, who is presenting, Kristen, who is presenting for the applicant, do you know?
01:47:39.11	Kristin Taiki	I'm not even sure if they're present. I can't see all the
01:47:43.93	Kristin Taiki	It's all here, let's see.
01:47:44.30	Chair Luxembourg	If the applicant is in the Zoom, if you could raise your hand through the Zoom, that would be appreciated.
01:47:57.55	Kristin Taiki	There we go. Antonella is the neighbor.
01:48:00.45	Kristin Taiki	Located below the property.
01:48:00.79	Unknown	Thank you.
01:48:00.81	Chair Luxembourg	Oh.
01:48:02.68	Chair Luxembourg	I do not see the
01:48:03.02	Kristin Taiki	I do not see the applicant.
01:48:06.80	Kristin Taiki	Chris Clements.
01:48:08.77	Kristin Taiki	in the audience.
01:48:10.70	Chair Luxembourg	Oh.
01:48:11.61	Chair Luxembourg	My understanding is that Antonella encouraged the submission of this. Should we allow them to speak under the thing or we would have to do that under public comment?
01:48:24.33	Christina Fellock	Public comment.
01:48:25.28	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, so what we will do is there is not an applicant here, so I will open it up for public comment. Let me check with Sergio. Are you still on?
01:48:43.43	Sergio	Yes, I'm here.
01:48:44.38	Chair Luxembourg	If we do not have an applicant presenting, do I just open it up for public comment? I just want to conclude.
01:48:52.72	Sergio	Yeah, I believe so. Hopefully the applicant the African office. So he still can have the opportunity to show up anytime before the close of the agenda item so.
01:49:01.93	Sergio	We can keep an eye out for them.
01:49:02.01	Chair Luxembourg	I'm waiting.
01:49:04.36	Chair Luxembourg	All right, with that, I'm going to open it up for public comment. If you want to make public comment, you can raise your hand in the Zoom application.
01:49:14.60	Chair Luxembourg	or go star nine on a telephone.
01:49:19.16	Chair Luxembourg	And Antonella, the floor is yours.
01:49:24.15	Antonella Olivia	So can I share a small presentation, just a few slides?
01:49:28.29	Chair Luxembourg	Yes, the zoom team, can you allow Antonella to be co-host so she can share her presentation or she can share her screen.
01:49:41.60	Chair Luxenberg	Oh.
01:49:41.72	Chair Luxembourg	There are...
01:49:42.02	Chair Luxenberg	I know.
01:49:44.13	Antonella Olivia	I think I shared it. Let me know if you can not see it.
01:49:48.05	Chair Luxenberg	Antonella, we can see your presentation. I just would like to make one brief comment. If you could attempt to keep your presentation under the three-minute public comment mark, that would be appreciated. Thank you.
01:49:59.34	Antonella Olivia	Sure, no problem.
01:50:00.25	Antonella Olivia	So here I have everybody from pretty much all the residents. So myself, my husband from 127 Tomales, I have Bob Gibran from 125. And I also have Marianne Ravnusen who lives, shares the fence with Bob.
01:50:16.69	Antonella Olivia	So we're all very worried about this, and that's why we are here as a community.
01:50:21.41	Antonella Olivia	for and hoping for a positive outcome.
01:50:24.08	Antonella Olivia	So, you know, I just want to make the same point I made in the email I sent out. We read your draft.
01:50:30.62	Antonella Olivia	And we read your requirements, the city requirements for grinding permits. So there are four points, A, B, C and D. So I would like to go over that. And we believe we meet all of them.
01:50:41.12	Antonella Olivia	And therefore, you should be able to grant the removal permit for this tree. Now, even the Arborist Report, if I read the conclusion based on plain English, and I'm outlining and redlining,
01:50:54.82	Antonella Olivia	are the key conclusions. He says that the tree has questionable stability due to the change of orientation with the fence. And for this reason, it is my opinion that removing the tree is a reasonable action. This is the arbores concluding this, right?
01:51:11.49	Antonella Olivia	And then he's also saying that removing the tree is not a big deal. You know, the vegetation is not going to impact the vegetation or the slope stability. So again, these are conclusions from the arbors, which is supporting removing the tree.
01:51:24.45	Antonella Olivia	Now, you know, back to the four points, four requirements from the seating. A is that the tree could pose an hazard to the property or the people or proximity structures or its near utilities or sewers. So number one, if you just look at one of the pictures below, right, you can see the tree leaning towards 125, but also partially towards 127. the bedrooms, the windows you see upstairs here, these are our bedrooms. the tree leaning towards 125, but also partially towards 127. The bedrooms, the windows you see upstairs here, these are our bedrooms. That's where we sleep.
01:51:56.06	Antonella Olivia	Okay, and if the tree, the tree is actually more than 25 feet, it's 35, 40 feet, we estimate. If it falls, it's going to fall on the roofs. I mean, you can also see from this picture, it's a fairly
01:52:06.15	Antonella Olivia	Simple to see.
01:52:07.72	Antonella Olivia	And also you can see the tree in question here on the rightmost picture. It's in a very tiny alley. It's about 10 feet wide near the sewer line. I think Kristen also mentioned that.
01:52:20.58	Antonella Olivia	It's really good.
01:52:21.10	Bob Gibran	And so...
01:52:22.76	Antonella Olivia	And it's leaning, exactly.
01:52:24.18	Bob Gibran	to an extreme angle.
01:52:26.56	Antonella Olivia	Right, exactly.
01:52:27.85	Antonella Olivia	So anyway, so we believe this tree meets your A,
01:52:31.62	Antonella Olivia	Condition.
01:52:32.93	Antonella Olivia	unless I don't know how to read English.
01:52:37.05	Antonella Olivia	The other one is sun exposure and mental distress.
01:52:42.32	Antonella Olivia	Also, the requirement is that doesn't allow the enjoyment of the property, including sunlight and the right to develop the property. Well, number one, our backyard, so the 127th.
01:52:53.59	Antonella Olivia	is constantly in the shade of that tree. And I've attached some pictures. I can send this presentation to you. So you can see here, this is the tree.
01:53:02.50	Antonella Olivia	This is our backyard here at 11 a.m.
01:53:05.47	Antonella Olivia	in the shade from downstairs, also the bedrooms upstairs. You can see Bob's backyard in the sun because it doesn't have the tree. We are in the shade.
01:53:14.78	Antonella Olivia	Same is happening later in the day around 2pm.
01:53:17.99	Antonella Olivia	We are also in the 60s, mid 70s. We have a lot of mental stress coming from the risk that this tree may fall during a storm.
01:53:27.49	Antonella Olivia	We were pretty much up all night during the atmospheric fever of the past
01:53:32.01	Christina Fellock	the bugs.
01:53:32.48	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
01:53:34.46	Antonella Olivia	I'm sorry?
01:53:35.69	Christina Fellock	I think we're out of time.
01:53:37.41	Antonella Olivia	Yeah. So and then the other I think these are the main thing, right? So basically the sunlight
01:53:42.97	Antonella Olivia	Also in the ability of solar, right, being able to install solar panels because of the shaking.
01:53:49.97	Antonella Olivia	And again, the mental distress, the views,
01:53:53.51	Antonella Olivia	Right? Back to reasonable views. We don't get any views of the sky. We only see that tree from our bedrooms.
01:54:00.55	Antonella Olivia	And then, you know, you talked about the landscape, right? And the forestry, the canopy is 60% our property.
01:54:09.73	Antonella Olivia	So we don't have access to the tree. We cannot do anything about it. So I'm not sure that, you know, we can, we are allowed to do any reasonable
01:54:18.23	Antonella Olivia	um
01:54:20.16	Antonella Olivia	So that's all we have to share. So in other words, we really hope that you can grant the removal of the tree.
01:54:26.60	Antonella Olivia	We also have a lot of coastal trees in the front yard that we are grooming and we really want to grow.
01:54:32.61	Antonella Olivia	And if the decision is negative, we want the city to take full responsibility.
01:54:39.98	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, and to now I think the Zoom team had turned off the muted,
01:54:47.55	Chair Luxembourg	your microphone because you've gone beyond the time.
01:54:50.85	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you for that presentation.
01:54:50.92	Antonella Olivia	Thank you for that.
01:54:52.56	Antonella Olivia	I will send you the presentation.
01:54:54.63	Chair Luxembourg	Yes, if you could send that to Kristen at City Hall, that would be helpful. At this point, are there other people that would, we're in public comment? Anybody else? Raise your hand in the Zoom application or star nine on your star, is it star nine or star six? What's the? Star nine, correct. Star nine.
01:55:20.57	Chair Luxembourg	Um,
01:55:23.05	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
01:55:23.07	Chair Luxembourg	I'm seeing Antonella once again with raised hands. I don't know if that gentleman is at your house or is that your neighbor?
01:55:37.18	Bob Gibran	The property that has the tree directly behind it.
01:55:37.19	Chair Luxembourg	The property that has the
01:55:42.39	Bob Gibran	And what I wanted to tell you was
01:55:44.77	Bob Gibran	is that I've lost two trees on that
01:55:48.62	Bob Gibran	on that slope already in the past 10 years.
01:55:52.63	Bob Gibran	This is the third one that I would be losing.
01:55:55.01	Bob Gibran	Yeah.
01:55:55.05	Chair Luxembourg	I watch
01:55:55.62	Chair Luxembourg	what's your name and address?
01:55:57.04	Bob Gibran	for the record. My name is Bob Gibran.
01:55:57.58	Chair Luxembourg	Oh, yeah.
01:55:59.53	Bob Gibran	G-E-B-R-O-N, and I'm the homeowner of 125 Tomales.
01:55:59.75	Chair Luxembourg	G-E-B.
01:56:04.28	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, so you're a separate homeowner, so we'll give you three minutes also.
01:56:04.58	Bob Gibran	Thank you.
01:56:08.38	Bob Gibran	Yeah, I just want, I'll be quick. I just want you to realize that underneath, you know, our groundswell there, you know, in that, where I've terraced it in three different areas, because of the loss of those trees,
01:56:22.53	Bob Gibran	I've done as much as I could to
01:56:24.66	Bob Gibran	to protect my land.
01:56:27.46	Bob Gibran	But that tree
01:56:29.28	Bob Gibran	is leaning so far over
01:56:31.85	Bob Gibran	that is bound to, you know,
01:56:34.31	Bob Gibran	be coming down in the very near future. Secondly, underneath the groundswell, we've got
01:56:41.20	Bob Gibran	Incredible amount of really bad...
01:56:44.88	Bob Gibran	pipes.
01:56:46.14	Bob Gibran	The material that those pipes were made from have deteriorated. They no longer exist for the most part.
01:56:53.30	Bob Gibran	And no one's come in my yard and said, well, let me take a sample.
01:56:57.80	Bob Gibran	No one saw Saluda come to my yard and said, I'm gonna dig in and let's find out about this.
01:57:02.70	Bob Gibran	It hasn't been done.
01:57:04.50	Bob Gibran	And being a former property manager in San Francisco, I saw a great many pipes that were demolished because they just wore out. The pipes that are down there now were designed for 30 years, maybe. And they've been down there twice that long.
01:57:22.69	Ms. Hensley	See, we're in a lawsuit.
01:57:24.08	Bob Gibran	So, you know, and we've had to file a lawsuit, you know, eight years ago to try and get the city to look at these, you know, these pipes and look at the damage. Because we had an incredible amount of sewage come up from the ground and, you know, come all over our yards. Cause a lot of mold, cause a lot of problems.
01:57:44.75	Bob Gibran	We just want what's fair.
01:57:46.56	Bob Gibran	All right, when I'm not asking the city to go broke, I'm just, we're trying to get the city to do the right thing.
01:57:53.86	Bob Gibran	Because if these trees, if this tree were to fall over,
01:57:57.64	Bob Gibran	Who's going to be in charge of that?
01:58:00.66	Bob Gibran	Who's going to be the one who has to make the payments for that?
01:58:04.54	Bob Gibran	We don't want to cause the city anymore
01:58:07.41	Bob Gibran	funds to go out than necessary.
01:58:11.01	Bob Gibran	We just want what's fair.
01:58:12.88	Bob Gibran	that were
01:58:13.82	Bob Gibran	We love our city. We don't want, you know, you guys to take a bum rap, but...
01:58:18.33	Bob Gibran	This is beyond the pale.
01:58:20.03	Bob Gibran	Someone's got to do something about this.
01:58:23.33	Bob Gibran	And being a 75-year-old man,
01:58:26.57	Bob Gibran	Living alone.
01:58:28.34	Bob Gibran	you know, and seeing that tree looming over us every day.
01:58:31.78	Bob Gibran	It's not easy. It's not conducive to pleasant living. I don't go in my backyard anymore.
01:58:36.93	Commissioner Saad	Thank you.
01:58:37.99	Bob Gibran	You know? And I like to plant and do all that stuff in the backyard and all, but
01:58:42.88	Bob Gibran	Man, it's dangerous back there.
01:58:45.36	Unknown	Thank you.
01:58:45.69	Bob Gibran	Just look at the tree. Look at the side. Look at this angle that it is on.
01:58:49.57	Bob Gibran	It's coming down soon. I don't know when.
01:58:52.08	Bob Gibran	You know, if I had my choice, you know, I would say, I hope it never comes down. I love trees. But this has put us, both me and both my neighbors, you know, in a precarious situation. It just needs to be, you know, something needs to be done about it.
01:59:08.84	Bob Gibran	You know, we just want peace of mind and we want what's fair.
01:59:11.96	Bob Gibran	Okay.
01:59:12.03	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, three minutes is up, but I thank you for your comments. I don't see any additional public comments, so I'll close public comment at this time and bring it back up to the dais. At this point, I'm looking for recommendations from the commission, I'll start with the commissioner fellow.
01:59:36.73	Christina Fellock	Well, I think, thank you chair. I think it's a little unfortunate that the actual applicant is not here.
01:59:45.14	Christina Fellock	So I'm not, I'm not
01:59:48.06	Christina Fellock	and staff has recommended this for denial, we have an arborist report that
01:59:54.25	Christina Fellock	reports this tree to be healthy,
01:59:56.75	Christina Fellock	heritage oak trees
02:00:00.05	Christina Fellock	or live coastal oak.
02:00:02.67	Christina Fellock	you know,
02:00:03.88	Christina Fellock	are part of Sausalito. They're everywhere. It's part of what defines the character.
02:00:09.00	Christina Fellock	I'm not sure.
02:00:11.12	Christina Fellock	that where the fear of going outside is and based on some of the photos I saw there's quite a lot of blue sky so I would make a motion to support the staff report and deny this project or the request for removal.
02:00:28.81	Chair Luxembourg	Is there a second?
02:00:36.37	Chair Luxembourg	uh,
02:00:37.28	Chair Luxembourg	And Sasha, you're muted. If you were saying, you look like you're saying something, but you're muted.
02:00:42.92	Commissioner Tsai	I was going to just echo Commissioner Fowler.
02:00:49.01	Commissioner Tsai	Best, of course, if the applicant was here,
02:00:51.42	Commissioner Tsai	Um,
02:00:52.72	Commissioner Tsai	I do understand what the neighbors are saying and I'm sympathetic to their
02:00:57.40	Commissioner Tsai	but I do think that the arborist report is
02:01:02.00	Commissioner Tsai	is weak at best given that this is a
02:01:06.03	Commissioner Tsai	heritage,
02:01:07.86	Commissioner Tsai	coastal live oak, protected tree,
02:01:10.34	Commissioner Tsai	and would
02:01:13.06	Commissioner Tsai	support a motion
02:01:15.77	Commissioner Tsai	for a continue.
02:01:17.05	Commissioner Tsai	and continuance.
02:01:19.06	Commissioner Tsai	based on what staff had mentioned at the beginning, getting that late mail. I did not have a chance to read it until now. So I appreciated the neighbors' feedback
02:01:28.88	Commissioner Tsai	presentation to bring me up to speed on their concerns. But with
02:01:33.47	Commissioner Tsai	With that in mind, I would support a continuance to either to get a more recent report
02:01:39.65	Commissioner Tsai	Understanding that we did have a very big storm
02:01:42.57	Commissioner Tsai	It was worrisome.
02:01:44.56	Commissioner Tsai	perhaps
02:01:45.69	Commissioner Tsai	those soil changes have shifted. I'm not an arborist and I don't want to speak
02:01:51.58	Commissioner Tsai	for them, but it would be worth an updated report. And I'd rather consider an updated report given our weather events. So I would support a continuance with an updated arborist report.
02:02:05.03	Chair Luxembourg	OK, thank you, Commissioner Saab. Commissioner Grell?
02:02:09.23	Commissioner Graff	Um,
02:02:11.83	Commissioner Graff	Thank you. Yes, I concur with Commissioner Saad.
02:02:18.73	Commissioner Graff	initially was inclined to lean towards a denial, but
02:02:24.49	Commissioner Graff	I think there are circumstances that really need to be looked at
02:02:29.01	Commissioner Graff	And I'm not,
02:02:29.95	Commissioner Graff	comfortable making a decision at this point.
02:02:33.16	Commissioner Graff	I support a
02:02:35.34	Commissioner Graff	Um,
02:02:36.22	Commissioner Graff	continuance.
02:02:37.87	Commissioner Graff	I think, um,
02:02:39.47	Commissioner Graff	Commissioner Saad outlined
02:02:41.94	Commissioner Graff	what we would be looking for.
02:02:44.23	Commissioner Graff	I might add to that a further
02:02:48.45	Commissioner Graff	investigation into the pipes and sewer condition that may or may not be affected by this tree.
02:02:59.30	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Graff.
02:03:03.18	Chair Luxembourg	I echo Commissioner Feller's comment about it would be helpful if the arborist or the applicant was here because the words minor to significant did concern me because I did go out and see the tree personally and it is leaning. But if it's totally healthy and it's never going to come down, coastal oaks tend lean, but definitely if it leans, it hits the roof and it hits the house. So I understand the concerns, but I understand in order to make the findings that we have to, that we can't do it with a healthy tree and this arborist report is not very detailed. So, so with that, I, I'll look, I heard a motion to support the staff report and I heard a motion for continuance. So what, what, what do we prefer to do here, commissioner Phillip?
02:04:03.32	Christina Fellock	So I'm willing to rescind my motion, but I think I'd like to add to some of the conditions that we have to hear.
02:04:12.55	Christina Fellock	I mean if if there's concern about all these pipes that are private pipes, then the onus is on the applicant or the neighbors to to actually come back with some information about their pipes. They don't appear to be city pipes, as mentioned by staff.
02:04:30.29	Christina Fellock	So I think that that's important. I'd also want to understand
02:04:34.91	Christina Fellock	you know, who is maintaining this tree and what is the regular maintenance of it? I mean, like many trees, it likes to be, you know, species like this like to be
02:04:46.14	Christina Fellock	trims, maybe not
02:04:47.72	Christina Fellock	topped, but trimmed. They like to, they like that. They, they thrive in that,
02:04:52.72	Christina Fellock	And again, this species is all over Saucelito. It's part of what makes a lovely landscape around here. So this is not an unusual or unique situation. And I worry that this is not being taken seriously if the arborist and the applicant is not even here.
02:05:14.00	Chair Luxembourg	uh thank you commissioner are you suggesting that maybe in order to increase the light for the abutting residences i mean the problem here is that this tree affects the abutters more than it affects the applicant that's probably why they're not here but and then and my understanding is the the abutters ask the applicant to submit this uh if the if this tree were topped or trimmed do do you think it might help with the light and keep the danger if it were to fall not to hit the houses? Do you think it could be trimmed enough to do that?
02:05:48.51	Christina Fellock	I mean, I am not an arborist like like Commissioner Assad. We are not arborist, but, you know, having this species, you know, in on my property and around my property, I know that they do enjoy that.
02:05:52.56	Chair Luxembourg	Right.
02:06:01.80	Christina Fellock	So what I would just ask is if we're going to continue this anyway, which I
02:06:08.01	Christina Fellock	can support. I want it to be clear
02:06:10.48	Christina Fellock	you know what some of these caveats are. I mean if the tree is just never maintained well maybe some maintenance will will help the situation. You know, removing a healthy tree is a is an absolute last resort, particularly when there is no no development going in its place.
02:06:28.75	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you, Commissioner Feller. At this point, I would, I'm hearing that we would like somebody to make a motion to the effect of as much as I try to avoid continuances. In this case, we would continue this to a date uncertain and request that
02:06:50.37	Chair Luxembourg	Chris, I'll get you in a second. Let me just put the concept out there and then I'm guessing there's some technical reason why that's an issue. We would continue to date uncertain and ask for the arborist to determine whether this tree could be trimmed in order to address any safety or other issues and address the issue about the potential damage it's doing to the sewer line.
02:07:26.70	Chair Luxembourg	Let me, before I go to Commissioner Saag, Kristen, is there a technical issue here?
02:07:33.89	Chair Luxembourg	or something?
02:07:34.41	Kristin Taiki	Well, first I see a Chris Sullivan in the audience.
02:07:37.67	Kristin Taiki	And if this is the Chris Sullivan, who is our applicant, we may want to ask him to speak.
02:07:42.33	Unknown	Okay.
02:07:42.43	Kristin Taiki	to see if there's anything he wants to say or agree to.
02:07:45.79	Kristin Taiki	Secondly,
02:07:47.39	Kristin Taiki	I neglected to discuss this with the city attorney, but I,
02:07:51.73	Kristin Taiki	I typically consider all discretionary permits to be subject to the permit streamlining act.
02:07:57.23	Kristin Taiki	And if that's the case, the applicant should grant us the one time 90 day extension of the processing time limit.
02:08:03.76	Kristin Taiki	in order to be sure they have time to get these things done that you're asking for.
02:08:08.92	Chair Luxembourg	Okay. Who do we think is the applicant?
02:08:13.34	Kristin Taiki	Chris Sullivan.
02:08:14.52	Chair Luxembourg	I agree.
02:08:15.15	Unknown	No.
02:08:15.60	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:08:16.28	Kristin Taiki	Oh, I'm sorry. That's the next application. No.
02:08:19.96	Kristin Taiki	Steve Clement.
02:08:21.51	Christina Fellock	I'm speaking for Steve Clements.
02:08:24.21	Christina Fellock	Maybe Sergio can weigh in on that legal issue you've raised Kristen real quick so we can move this along.
02:08:31.11	Sergio	I don't think we need to worry about the permit streamlining act at this moment. Absolutely. Applicant trying to invoke remedies.
02:08:34.74	Christina Fellock	Yeah.
02:08:37.95	Sergio	So let's let's move this along without that at this point.
02:08:43.69	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, I'll entertain a motion to the effect of what I just described or some other motion.
02:08:55.97	Christina Fellock	I'll make a motion to continue this item to a date uncertain.
02:09:00.69	Christina Fellock	and ask for additional information from the arborist, including any history of maintenance to the tree,
02:09:09.57	Christina Fellock	including any information that any
02:09:13.57	Christina Fellock	or a butter has on their
02:09:18.21	Christina Fellock	an underground piping or sewer lines that they can provide that might support this application request.
02:09:26.66	Christina Fellock	um
02:09:28.03	Christina Fellock	And Commissioner Sodom, I'm missing anything.
02:09:31.19	Commissioner Tsai	No, thank you. I was going to add the history of maintenance.
02:09:35.88	Commissioner Tsai	I,
02:09:36.86	Commissioner Tsai	I would be interested to know if we'd agree to an updated arborist report
02:09:44.16	Commissioner Tsai	from
02:09:45.31	Commissioner Tsai	Is that the intention?
02:09:47.32	Christina Fellock	Yeah, we're looking for additional information. So yeah, it has to be.
02:09:49.94	Commissioner Tsai	It has been.
02:09:50.63	Commissioner Tsai	It has to be. Okay, I just wanted to clarify that. Okay, yes. No, I don't think you're missing anything and I would second that.
02:09:56.65	Commissioner Graff	Right.
02:09:56.96	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, we have a motion on the floor and a second. Commissioner Drell.
02:10:00.36	Commissioner Graff	I just wanted to add to the, um,
02:10:03.71	Commissioner Graff	request for continuance that
02:10:07.40	Commissioner Graff	Yeah.
02:10:08.68	Commissioner Graff	a new arborist report might
02:10:12.67	Commissioner Graff	if it was appropriate, make recommendations of
02:10:17.83	Commissioner Graff	what might be done
02:10:19.62	Commissioner Graff	to prevent any damage
02:10:22.54	Commissioner Graff	from the tree or to
02:10:24.65	Commissioner Graff	to make the tree better, you know, to, to, uh,
02:10:29.80	Commissioner Graff	Whatever it might, things might be done to mitigate the circumstances.
02:10:35.23	Chair Luxembourg	Such as trimming the tree or something.
02:10:35.24	Commissioner Graff	Perfect.
02:10:37.73	Commissioner Graff	Whatever.
02:10:38.37	Commissioner Graff	Yeah.
02:10:38.44	Chair Luxembourg	you.
02:10:38.48	Commissioner Graff	Right.
02:10:39.52	Commissioner Graff	Thank you.
02:10:39.53	Chair Luxembourg	I'm willing to accept that amendment.
02:10:39.55	Christina Fellock	I remember
02:10:42.82	Christina Fellock	willing to accept
02:10:44.09	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you.
02:10:46.15	Chair Luxembourg	All right, we have a motion on the floor. We have a second. Commissioner, Director, can you take the roll?
02:10:53.23	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:10:53.25	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you, Chair.
02:10:53.93	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:10:54.45	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:10:54.52	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Son.
02:10:55.66	Commissioner Tsai	Yes.
02:10:57.17	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Graff.
02:10:58.43	Unknown	Yeah.
02:10:59.90	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Feller.
02:11:01.08	Unknown	Yes.
02:11:02.65	Chair Luxenberg	Chair Luxenberg.
02:11:05.28	Chair Luxenberg	Motion carries.
02:11:07.10	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you. Moving on. 615 Sausalito Boulevard. Is that Kristen also?
02:11:20.12	Kristin Taiki	Yes, all three of these will be me tonight.
02:11:22.51	Chair Luxembourg	Okay.
02:11:23.17	Chair Luxembourg	Kristen, the floor is yours. Thank you so much.
02:11:26.34	Kristin Taiki	Do you see this screen here with the civil plan?
02:11:29.43	Chair Luxembourg	you
02:11:29.45	Unknown	Yeah.
02:11:29.82	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:11:30.12	Unknown	Yes.
02:11:30.53	Kristin Taiki	Okay.
02:11:32.42	Unknown	All right.
02:11:34.00	Kristin Taiki	I'd like to acknowledge again that we have received five late mail communications on this property.
02:11:40.77	Kristin Taiki	All of these late mail communications were attached to the agenda and we're forwarded to the commission.
02:11:47.77	Kristin Taiki	Um,
02:11:48.72	Kristin Taiki	The project applicant is required
02:11:50.85	Kristin Taiki	Question.
02:11:54.34	Kristin Taiki	of tree removal permits, design review, and an encroachment agreement to support their plan
02:12:00.56	Kristin Taiki	to remove 23 trees located in the Sausalito and Marion Avenue rights-of-way
02:12:06.12	Kristin Taiki	and on site.
02:12:07.38	Kristin Taiki	of which seven are unprotected and 16 are protected trees.
02:12:11.96	Kristin Taiki	And one additional tree, number 24, is located on 107, 109 Marion Avenue.
02:12:18.10	Kristin Taiki	And it's also proposed for removal due to its proximity to grading and retaining wall construction.
02:12:24.09	Kristin Taiki	They've also proposed to grade the street footage in the site and construct retaining walls to support the driveway entry and future building paths.
02:12:32.00	Kristin Taiki	No residential structures proposed under this permit.
02:12:35.14	Kristin Taiki	Based on the civil plans,
02:12:36.97	Kristin Taiki	The work proposed includes 1840 cubic yards of cut and 155 cubic yards of film.
02:12:44.26	Kristin Taiki	The retaining wall design includes stacked walls in the Sausalito Boulevard right-of-way separated by approximately one foot.
02:12:52.40	Kristin Taiki	Each wall will range in height from 6 to 10 feet for an overall combined height of approximately 20 feet at the highest points.
02:12:60.00	Kristin Taiki	A stacked wall system is also proposed in the rear yard.
02:13:04.23	Kristin Taiki	And the combined wall heights would reach approximately 14 feet.
02:13:09.95	Kristin Taiki	The project sites and undeveloped heavily vegetated steeply sloping parcel with an average grade of about 60 to 70%.
02:13:17.78	Kristin Taiki	The total land area is 5,622 square feet.
02:13:22.10	Kristin Taiki	The lot was previously a portion of 109-111 Marion Avenue
02:13:27.32	Kristin Taiki	And the subdivision map separating this lot was recorded in, I believe, 2016.
02:13:33.83	Kristin Taiki	As the paved right-of-way does not match the full width of the real right-of-way that is Sausalito Boulevard, the lot is separated from the improved roadway by about 26 feet of unimproved right-of-way that's steeply sloping.
02:13:49.39	Kristin Taiki	As discussed in the staff report, the subject application in civil design was deemed incomplete by the city departments, including planning fire and public works.
02:13:58.37	Kristin Taiki	However, the applicant noted that the provided some comments after the 30 day
02:14:03.35	Kristin Taiki	review period required under government code and required that we continue with the public hearing process on this application. So this is why this application before you even though it's not complete.
02:14:16.44	Kristin Taiki	I'm gonna move to the second page just so you can see the design better
02:14:23.36	Kristin Taiki	The subject application proposes to construct accessory structures in the form of a driveway in support of retaining walls, but has admitted a proposed primary use so permitted use.
02:14:33.44	Kristin Taiki	for which these walls and driveway would support.
02:14:36.79	Kristin Taiki	The applicant's been informed that the proposed success for use is not permitted unless there is a primary use or primary use proposed for the site.
02:14:45.64	Kristin Taiki	In order for the planning commission to approve the proposed application, the Sausalito municipal code requires a series of findings under the design review chapter.
02:14:55.37	Kristin Taiki	Staff finds the scope of the proposed work would circumvent the whole purpose of the design review process.
02:15:01.55	Kristin Taiki	Planning Commission charges to consider an entire development
02:15:05.72	Kristin Taiki	that ensures
02:15:07.32	Kristin Taiki	that both the residential development and supportive features
02:15:10.34	Kristin Taiki	including the driveway access and finished grades of the proposed building pad.
02:15:14.81	Kristin Taiki	are best suited to the site, minimize impacts on the neighbors' views, etc.
02:15:19.35	Kristin Taiki	To make findings of approval of the design view permit, all of the design elements, including a residential development, should be included in this application.
02:15:28.94	Kristin Taiki	More specific to the project is filed. The project's not consistent with the Sausalito General Plan as required under finding one.
02:15:35.92	Kristin Taiki	Has the applicants not proposed a permitted use
02:15:38.76	Kristin Taiki	and consistent with the general plan designation.
02:15:41.69	Kristin Taiki	In addition,
02:15:43.35	Kristin Taiki	Project design was determined to be deficient by fire department.
02:15:47.18	Kristin Taiki	required correction.
02:15:49.51	Kristin Taiki	and clarification regarding the driveway grade and width.
02:15:53.10	Kristin Taiki	Therefore, the applicants failed to comply with finding 10 and that the details and configuration of the proposed driveway design
02:16:00.46	Kristin Taiki	will not provide an appropriate level of traffic safety and emergency access to the site.
02:16:05.73	Kristin Taiki	Yep.
02:16:06.47	Kristin Taiki	proposed the removal of 24 trees and grading excess of 1840 cubic yards.
02:16:12.85	Kristin Taiki	in the right of way and on the site, which has an average grade of 60 to 70%, but has not applied for the necessary grading permits and provided supportive geotech reports to demonstrate the site conditions can adequately support the design.
02:16:28.27	Kristin Taiki	Therefore the proposed project does not meet the findings of conditions. Number 11 or the binding number 11.
02:16:35.42	Kristin Taiki	and that the evidence is not provided to demonstrate the proposed design preserves protected trees
02:16:40.99	Kristin Taiki	and the natural features of the site to a reasonable extent.
02:16:44.37	Kristin Taiki	or minimizes site degradation due to construction activities.
02:16:48.54	Kristin Taiki	Lastly, the applicants failed to provide evidence that the property owner at 10911 Marion Avenue has supported the proposed removal of tree 24.
02:16:57.41	Kristin Taiki	In evaluating the findings required to recommend approval of an encroachment agreement, staff finds that the subject application does not meet the criteria B or C.
02:17:07.13	Kristin Taiki	Based on the project record, approval of an encroachment permit for construction of an accessory structure or use absent of proposed permitted primary structure or use,
02:17:16.87	Kristin Taiki	And without completion of a design review application to fully evaluate the project, would establish an undesirable land use precedent.
02:17:24.95	Kristin Taiki	Further, there's no evidence in the record to demonstrate that the proposed encroachment in both Sausalito Boulevard and Marion Avenue is reasonable.
02:17:33.02	Kristin Taiki	or necessary to enjoy reasonable use of the property.
02:17:37.49	Kristin Taiki	to determine that the extent of the request encroachment is justifiable or with regard to the required findings for tree removal permits based on the project record, the applicant does not meet SMC 1112-030-D1A.
02:17:52.12	Kristin Taiki	As the submitted Arborist report indicates that the majority of the trees, the protected trees are in fairly good condition.
02:17:58.70	Kristin Taiki	And there's no indication that removal is necessary to ensure the public safety.
02:18:03.55	Kristin Taiki	Further, the application does not comply with finding 1112030B3A,
02:18:09.05	Kristin Taiki	as the removal of healthy trees may be avoided with redesign of the proposed driveway.
02:18:14.04	Kristin Taiki	access and modification of the building pad in support of retaining walls.
02:18:18.65	Kristin Taiki	None of this can be determined because we don't have adequate information.
02:18:18.73	Mr. Dixon	None of this.
02:18:22.73	Kristin Taiki	or 1112-03-03-03-D as the value of the tree in the neighborhood is greater than the inconvenience to the owner.
02:18:30.04	Kristin Taiki	Lastly, there's no evidence in the record that the property owners of 109 111 Marion Avenue authorized removal of their.
02:18:38.38	Kristin Taiki	Staff recommends the project be denied as demonstrated in the staff report, and we have provided you with a resolution of denial for your consideration.
02:18:50.07	Chair Luxembourg	CHRISTIAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO SAY YOUR ONE NEW STAFF REPORT WAS EXTREMELY THOROUGH AND ALSO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE SOSAWITO MINISIMAL CODE. SO THAT IS WELL APPRECIATED.
02:19:06.25	Chair Luxembourg	AT THIS POINT I HAVE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OF THE STAFF REPORT. I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER FELLER.
02:19:16.21	Christina Fellock	Thank you, Chair. I do not have any further questions for staff at this time.
02:19:21.76	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Saad.
02:19:24.33	Commissioner Tsai	I just had one question I wanted to echo that was an excellent report. Thank you very much. Did, did staff receive any further correspondence or updates to the notice of incomplete or, or from anything more submitted from fire, any response to any
02:19:41.81	Commissioner Tsai	the concerns that were raised by the various departments
02:19:46.21	Kristin Taiki	To my knowledge, I have no new information provided. They did not respond to our email inquiries.
02:19:52.44	Kristin Taiki	as to whether they'd like to
02:19:53.00	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
02:19:54.57	Kristin Taiki	Take a different tactic.
02:19:56.36	Commissioner Tsai	Okay, thank you. That's my only question. Thank you.
02:19:59.21	Commissioner Tsai	um,
02:20:00.41	Commissioner Tsai	Chair Luxembourg.
02:20:02.16	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Saad. Commissioner Grau.
02:20:05.77	Commissioner Graff	And
02:20:06.85	Commissioner Graff	No questions.
02:20:08.44	Chair Luxembourg	OK, thank you.
02:20:10.53	Chair Luxembourg	I don't have any questions either. I do want to make a just a comment on public mail comments. Some of them ones are coming in with an Adobe problem, and then they got reposted and whatever.
02:20:23.10	Chair Luxembourg	I don't know if that's coming from
02:20:25.11	Chair Luxembourg	outside of city hall or something in city hall, but, um,
02:20:28.82	Chair Luxembourg	Even some of the stuff that got posted
02:20:31.29	Chair Luxembourg	not necessarily on this one, but had this weird Adobe thing, and that might have been my computer versus the posting, but I had it happen on both my phone and on my computer. So I just flagged that for you to check, you know, with another computer, just in case. With this, do you know who for the applicant is here this evening, Kristen?
02:20:54.08	Kristin Taiki	I saw Mr. Sullivan.
02:20:56.80	Kristin Taiki	In the list of attendees.
02:20:57.31	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:20:59.35	Chair Luxembourg	Okay.
02:21:00.94	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Sullivan, you'll have a 15 minute window to provide your presentation. You do not necessarily have to take all of that at the first part. We will then open it up for public comments. And if you reserve some of your time, you could also make those comments. You can make additional comments. So with that, the Zoom team can set a timer to 15 minutes. Mr. Sullivan, do you need to share your screen?
02:21:34.45	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Sullivan needs to be unmuted. Zoom team, if you could help with that.
02:21:39.48	Chris Sullivan	Yes, I do. I do need to share a screen, please.
02:21:42.26	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, you've been made co-host, so you can share your screen. The floor is yours.
02:21:47.44	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:21:47.50	Chris Sullivan	I'm not familiar with the way you folks may use Zoom so I have my
02:21:52.54	Chair Luxembourg	There should be on the bottom a green thing that says share screen.
02:21:56.44	Chris Sullivan	Yeah.
02:21:56.69	Unknown	Okay.
02:21:59.12	Unknown	Thank you.
02:22:03.73	Unknown	you
02:22:03.75	Chris Sullivan	Yep, on my Zoom it's not there, but it's gonna share anyway.
02:22:07.22	Chris Sullivan	Thank you.
02:22:07.29	Chair Luxembourg	All right.
02:22:07.41	Chris Sullivan	Thank you anyway.
02:22:07.81	Chair Luxembourg	But thank you anyway. We can see it.
02:22:09.74	Chris Sullivan	Yeah, you just see the screen?
02:22:14.63	Chris Sullivan	Do you see a screen that says one new home to a family? Yes. Just one screen or more than one screen?
02:22:19.02	Christina Fellock	Yeah.
02:22:19.41	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:22:19.44	Christina Fellock	Yeah.
02:22:19.56	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:22:19.59	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
02:22:22.65	Christina Fellock	Just one.
02:22:23.64	Chris Sullivan	Okay, great.
02:22:26.16	Chris Sullivan	Well, thank you, Commissioners, for the opportunity to make a presentation, very important to me for my new home at 215 Sosolito Boulevard.
02:22:41.66	Chris Sullivan	The proposed agenda background, our application, the process as it's happened so far in the city, Sosilito Municipal Code and other texts, followed by comment, no doubt,
02:22:57.09	Chris Sullivan	Is my screen showing well?
02:23:00.21	Chris Sullivan	Yeah.
02:23:00.99	Chris Sullivan	Right.
02:23:01.96	Chris Sullivan	So background, I think some of you are familiar. The lot was created by a minor subdivision action in 2016. The lot's in the R2 2.5 zone, essentially medium to high density. There was a planning permit issued to the prior owner,
02:23:08.82	Unknown	Um,
02:23:25.81	Chris Sullivan	for ostensibly a single family home or was a dual family. That permit was extended through to about 2020. A mitigated negative declaration was recorded in the registry for the site and the home in December 2009 when the prior applicants started the press. for the site and the home in December 2009, when the prior applicants started the process, and
02:23:59.14	Chris Sullivan	As the lady who presented, who I think I met briefly one time for a couple of minutes in the city office, is correct at 5,622. Of course, as we all know, the majority, over 50%, much more, of available residential lots in Sosilita are steep slopes.
02:24:22.20	Chris Sullivan	Our application is to build a home, homes, whether they be dual family plus an ADU or a single family plus two small ADUs.
02:24:31.72	Chris Sullivan	Thank you.
02:24:31.74	Unknown	Thank you.
02:24:31.76	Chris Sullivan	Bye.
02:24:31.77	Unknown	I'm sorry.
02:24:32.03	Chris Sullivan	We entered into a lot purchase agreement with the prior owner in June 2018.
02:24:32.09	Unknown	Bye.
02:24:39.62	Chris Sullivan	some time ago.
02:24:41.31	Chris Sullivan	Um,
02:24:42.18	Chris Sullivan	Our family moved in April 20. I moved my office here from where I'm speaking to Sausalito on Bridgeway. And after some time during the pandemic, we got our sons into local schools. The family's objective is to create stability. We've moved a bit before now.
02:25:05.03	Chris Sullivan	but so that we could have one stable home location through the school years of our children.
02:25:09.05	Unknown	Fun.
02:25:10.99	Chris Sullivan	The Duff family.
02:25:13.66	Chris Sullivan	to occupy the other part of the dual family. A little bit of history, which will be relevant to the participants. We couldn't close until the adjacent lot, when our Nymarian above us had its mortgage balance paid. So a year ago, Mr. Tan bought that home and lot. On the same day, at the same hour, we closed on 215 Sustentable Boulevard, which is further
02:25:49.72	Chris Sullivan	off Sausalito Boulevard. So we had to close together. Everyone knew about the previous planning permits and proposed construction. We mutually assisted each other. Mr. Dixon, who I see as written comments, was the agent for that transaction, at least Mr. Tan's side, was well aware of all of the things going on. At least I hope it was because he could have probably told the owner. Sure he did. The new owner. So we think it will driveway and a home with ADUs or a single family, dual family and one ADU.
02:26:28.77	Chris Sullivan	Um,
02:26:30.73	Chris Sullivan	As advised and required, it seems, to go through this process, we, and we wanted to, we sent a letter to all neighbours last April, within 300 feet, which is actually quite a lot of people, in fact, the great majority of the feedback we received, which the majority I had in writing, was...
02:27:02.32	Chris Sullivan	I have to say, almost overwhelmingly about not adding parking on Sosilita Boulevard.
02:27:08.07	Chris Sullivan	as there are three or four parking spaces, and those are all right up against an unprotected drop
02:27:14.55	Chris Sullivan	And at any one day it seems 10 or 12 cars coming and going and needing
02:27:20.93	Chris Sullivan	It's a part.
02:27:22.28	Chris Sullivan	So we took those comments very much to...
02:27:26.31	Chris Sullivan	to heart because we had considered an underground garage. We had considered a mechanized device to get up 30 feet, maybe. That was going to be about half a million dollars, I think. We continued on. David Solmaz, who is to our east on Sausalito Boulevard at that time said he will support the driveway, we haven't heard anything different
02:28:01.61	Chris Sullivan	but he wants to report
02:28:02.96	Chris Sullivan	a small retaining wall placed between his house
02:28:06.81	Chris Sullivan	and the driveway side, which is about 25 feet away approximately. And we agree to that, given there might possibly be a disturbance from the build activities. We met lovely Hancocks, hello, and received a letter of support. But I do note, and I'm sure importantly, that following discussions with absolute neighbours, and maybe, of course, very much has his own mind, decided that the driveway, in his opinion, was not such a good idea, subject to his comments.
02:28:51.02	Chris Sullivan	We received feedback from our, we have two
02:28:56.10	Chris Sullivan	neighbors above us, Mr. Tan and the Jeffrey Michelle of the Dumont family,
02:29:02.19	Chris Sullivan	Mr. Tadd asked that we pay his architect and engineering fees to provide all feedback and a guarantee and bond that if anything went wrong, that we would pay him forthwith. Jeffrey and Michelle had at that time many questions, and we did a Zoom meeting spanning really across the whole range, architectural, structural, civil, geotechnical. Stacey Cray, I will not speak for her she's And we did a Zoom meeting spanning really across the whole range, architectural, structural, civil, geotechnical. Stacey Cray, I will not speak for her. She's at the next house, Pastor Du Mons. Was mildly supportive, subject to view confirmation discussion. And we have our own volition installed some story polls to help with that discussion.
02:29:49.23	Chris Sullivan	We'll come back to this, but a driveway, which is the principal complaint of Ms. Tiki, I believe. She says she's our planner, but we've never spoken with her.
02:30:05.34	Chris Sullivan	The first substantive communication or any communication we had was something we found on the City website with a denial drafted for the commissioners to approve.
02:30:16.17	Chris Sullivan	Yes, indeed. Our home, and we have not heard from the planner for four months,
02:30:23.47	Chris Sullivan	And at all.
02:30:25.81	Chris Sullivan	How does that work?
02:30:27.62	Chris Sullivan	Anyway.
02:30:28.78	Chris Sullivan	Strange things happen.
02:30:30.75	Chris Sullivan	Well, we could have discussed all of this prior to this meeting,
02:30:36.69	Chris Sullivan	A driveway is not an accessory use nor an accessory structure, including specifically in Sausalito, California.
02:30:44.32	Chris Sullivan	I'll say more about that. It's important, but it's obviously a threshold subject.
02:30:48.90	Chris Sullivan	in the opinion of the people who have presented to you from the city side,
02:30:52.96	Chris Sullivan	So it will be time consuming and significantly reduce the time that I have to explain our application.
02:30:58.19	Unknown	you
02:31:09.08	Unknown	So that's a large file, so I'm going to open it
02:31:13.70	Unknown	elsewhere.
02:31:21.72	Unknown	Quanto.
02:31:21.97	Chris Sullivan	Quite simply, we need to have access to our lock. Can people see the civil plans? Yes, yes, we can. We need to have access to our lock. We currently repel, a reverse repel, up the side of the slope to get to it.
02:31:41.14	Chris Sullivan	Um,
02:31:43.13	Chris Sullivan	And that obviously doesn't work. Sorry, I'm having a technical issue here.
02:31:51.30	Chris Sullivan	There's the civil plan once again, Francis. Yes, it is.
02:31:51.38	Unknown	is this
02:31:52.94	Unknown	Yes, she is.
02:31:55.40	Chris Sullivan	So,
02:31:57.19	Chris Sullivan	Standing at Sausalito Boulevard, which is pretty narrow at this point,
02:32:04.02	Chris Sullivan	It just about allows for a car to park and one to pass with about
02:32:12.41	Chris Sullivan	six inches spare.
02:32:14.01	Chris Sullivan	maybe a little more depending on the exact spot.
02:32:16.46	Chris Sullivan	So standing here at Sas Egulevat, looking up at the hill,
02:32:21.52	Chris Sullivan	It seems clear, and for reasons I will go into, that a driveway to get up to, we propose, a 165 elevation would be sensible, common sense, and part of any...
02:32:37.66	Chris Sullivan	good design to access this lot. There are a number of subjects. One is we don't actually front onto the graded Sausalito Boulevard, so we have to get over and up to the lot.
02:32:54.80	Chris Sullivan	An important subject also is that
02:32:57.65	Chris Sullivan	the further this way that we move the house, which is proposed to be here in the dotted line, in the dashed line, the closer that we move in this direction,
02:33:18.61	Chris Sullivan	the more it presents itself for the two homes of the Dumonts, Geoffrey and Michelle and Stacey Cray over to this side, because their view is out through here.
02:33:34.81	Chris Sullivan	The more we move it just to create space and attempt to keep excavation somehow reasonable or reasonable is a related subject. So in our proposal, we have conceived a 13 percent driveway grade up to 165 and to essentially start with a corner of the lot. if we were to have a driveway come up to 165 and to essentially stop at the corner of the lot. If we were to have a driveway coming up into the lot, we would lose essentially all of the – a good portion of the limited building space. This width is – with the setbacks is about 35 feet.
02:34:21.03	Unknown	only.
02:34:31.34	Chair Luxembourg	I can't see a clock because I
02:34:32.71	Chris Sullivan	I have so many screens at the time.
02:34:32.94	Chair Luxembourg	You have three minutes and seven seconds left. I'm at 10 minutes. Three minutes, three minutes left.
02:34:37.03	Chris Sullivan	I'll see you next time.
02:34:37.08	Commissioner Saad	Thank you.
02:34:40.98	Chair Luxembourg	Figures that, okay.
02:34:57.26	Unknown	Thank you.
02:34:57.28	Chris Sullivan	So the average grade calculation is 180, the points below the proposed structure.
02:35:05.43	Chris Sullivan	That takes us up 32 feet to 212 feet.
02:35:09.87	Chris Sullivan	The Demonts here are at 225 foot on this survey, certainly pretty close. Mr Tan is here and his views really go east and north across the bay.
02:35:24.25	Chris Sullivan	This goes back into the hill, essentially up here, which is where any of the heights would be around this area here.
02:35:34.88	Chris Sullivan	Folks, it's impossible to turn into and out of a garage on Sausalito Boulevard. It simply couldn't be done.
02:35:43.68	Chris Sullivan	There will be no sight line and
02:35:47.85	Chris Sullivan	We found no engineer prepared to propose it.
02:35:52.73	Chris Sullivan	This driveway design is good for any house. It doesn't impinge on the lot.
02:35:59.08	Chris Sullivan	really at all.
02:36:00.63	Chris Sullivan	the driveway can
02:36:04.27	Chris Sullivan	and accommodate.
02:36:05.67	Chris Sullivan	any of the future house designs that you would care to comment on?
02:36:09.86	Chris Sullivan	So far, we had a pre-application meeting with Rosalind Thompson, neighbor engagement we submitted. We advised that day that our investors will need to comply with the PSA.
02:36:23.21	Chris Sullivan	We have not been able to reach a planner. We've had some occasional very useful communication with Brandon Phipps helpful. His central message was about accessory uses, but he took an incinerating and helpful tone in general. Yeah.
02:36:44.40	Chris Sullivan	We submitted, we booked to have a meeting for intake with a planner, but no planner showed up. We wrote multiple emails. I wrote to Mystique on November the 8th to follow up on a
02:36:59.72	Chris Sullivan	meeting that we've had for about three minutes where she said she was busy.
02:37:03.98	Chris Sullivan	We saw the application of being assigned to Adrian Masqueral.
02:37:10.22	Chris Sullivan	In utter exasperation, we asked for an agenda item in the council meeting. That was the first time we heard from a planner that,
02:37:17.49	Chris Sullivan	So we'd had three months of silence. And as we all know, the city offices are only open for three hours a week.
02:37:26.69	Chris Sullivan	As to the law, in the Code of the City, the accessory structure means a detached building on the same lot. So the Drafted Staff Report in denial, which I sincerely hope they're not paying for, had to put that in, which goes to accessory uses, is incorrect. The accessory uses are listed here, second column.
02:37:54.21	Chris Sullivan	If indeed the driveway were an accessory use or an accessory structure, it would be listed above and it's not.
02:38:03.65	Chris Sullivan	I like to use Williams for accessory uses. He's got a compendium of all active cases and appealed cases.
02:38:14.45	Unknown	Thank you.
02:38:14.61	Chris Sullivan	These are the five, I would have thought,
02:38:14.68	Unknown	I'm just going to go.
02:38:18.41	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Sullivan, if you can just wrap up, you've gone through your full 15 minutes.
02:38:18.44	Chris Sullivan	Mr. Sullivan.
02:38:20.74	Chris Sullivan	Yeah.
02:38:22.83	Chris Sullivan	They must be located on the same lot. They must be customarily incidental, which of course a driveway can never be.
02:38:31.25	Chris Sullivan	Here's the problem we have, folks. My sons are seven and eight. This is a tabulation of the single-family dual families approved.
02:38:43.10	Chris Sullivan	in Sausalito. It's circulating around at the moment. I've personally checked each one.
02:38:52.40	Chris Sullivan	The average permitting time for a single family in the city of Sausalito is 6.8 years.
02:39:00.67	Chris Sullivan	My sons will be 17 and 18 by that time that we would finish development, which we approximate to be two years and two months for certificate of occupancy.
02:39:13.34	Chris Sullivan	Maddox goes to the same school as the daughter of the owner of the large developments just up Bridgeway, Valhalla.
02:39:26.37	Christina Fellock	Chair Luxembourg.
02:39:26.98	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, yeah, yes. Mr. Sullivan, you're getting off subject. All right, I'll start on subject. You're concerned about building your house and getting your children in it before they go to university. That's very clear. But at this point, I think we're gonna wrap up.
02:39:31.28	Christina Fellock	All right.
02:39:31.77	Chris Sullivan	I was like,
02:39:32.04	Commissioner Saad	I'll stop it.
02:39:32.54	Christina Fellock	It's all.
02:39:32.78	Commissioner Saad	Thank you.
02:39:37.76	Commissioner Saad	you
02:39:37.77	Chris Sullivan	Bye.
02:39:37.96	Commissioner Saad	Thank you.
02:39:37.98	Chris Sullivan	Bye.
02:39:38.43	Commissioner Saad	Thank you.
02:39:41.69	Chris Sullivan	That's it. I have finished, so I'm asking for the assistance of the planning.
02:39:46.77	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, so at this point, if you can stop sharing your screen and come back to your video, we will, there we go. So basically, we're going to have, this will be the time for questions from commission members. I'm going to take the opportunity here before I go around to ask a couple questions myself. it is clear you want to build a house or a duplex or a house in a duplex in an ADU or something like that. If in order to answer questions like does it create a shadowing effect or how you turn around or you know you need a geotechnical. All of these things are needed. Traditionally, we need to see what you're proposing. This is a driveway to nothing at the moment. We need to see not just the dotted line of where a house might go, but what the house is. And without that, we don't have a complete application. So I guess my question to you, because you do want to get this bill for your children is when when will you have the plans for house.
02:41:02.71	Chair Luxembourg	You're muted. Can Zoom team, can we unmute Mr. Sullivan?
02:41:08.98	Chair Luxembourg	Hold on one second.
02:41:09.14	Chris Sullivan	Hold on one second.
02:41:09.83	Chris Sullivan	Thank you for the empathic statement about our family's home. It's the first one I've heard since we started this process, though Brandon has been helpful.
02:41:26.09	Chris Sullivan	because
02:41:30.64	Unknown	Thank you.
02:41:30.65	Chris Sullivan	The proposal for a house involves so much elapsed time
02:41:41.30	Chris Sullivan	And because the city code does not disallow it,
02:41:46.50	Chris Sullivan	We wish...
02:41:48.77	Chris Sullivan	to build the access to our future home.
02:41:54.70	Chris Sullivan	Our plans to submit, and we'll commit to this, for a home or homes on the side, we will do in the next couple of months. And I'm prepared to...
02:42:07.47	Chris Sullivan	where affirm our attempt and for you to condition
02:42:14.85	Chris Sullivan	this on that use and submission.
02:42:21.92	Chris Sullivan	But I'm very scared that as we go into this,
02:42:27.52	Chris Sullivan	And there are other documents now
02:42:30.24	Chris Sullivan	talk about
02:42:32.63	Chris Sullivan	Architects not receiving for single families, including on this street,
02:42:37.19	Chris Sullivan	right around the corner.
02:42:39.22	Chris Sullivan	any responses from city planning for five months
02:42:44.04	Chris Sullivan	and others going on for so many years
02:42:48.21	Unknown	Bye.
02:42:49.00	Chris Sullivan	that we ask for your assistance. And clearly that's partly because of the process of going back and forth with
02:42:57.03	Chris Sullivan	all constituents
02:42:59.18	Chris Sullivan	and the time and effort required to draft documents and explain them in a meaningful way.
02:43:06.00	Chris Sullivan	is that because the code does allow it and because of the historical enormously long times to get a house building permit,
02:43:16.96	Chris Sullivan	that we be allowed to at least start the access for our homes.
02:43:24.07	Chair Luxembourg	I understand what you're asking. I will tell you that there have been examples where somebody starts to take out part of a hill, builds construction of driveways, and then can't get funding for their house, and it destabilizes the environment. Traditionally, if you were to come in with a complete application, we would process it forthwith. And in doing so, we would approve, tell you that you can't start demolition on the driveway until you're ready to go with the house. Because we don't want a situation where it's half built. So quite honestly, the issue here, I mean, you can give examples and, you know, I can apologize on behalf of the city for some staff turnover that we had in CDD, but we're, but that is, we're moving forward now. And so, but without knowing what you're going to put there, it would be very difficult to approve this. And about three quarters of what you're asking to build is not on land you own. It's in the city right away. So we need to know what the house is going to be, quite honestly, in order to approve this. And if you have us, you know, you don't want, I wouldn't even think you'd want to build a driveway to nothing without having the approval of your house. So I don't know. With that, I'm going to open up other questions of commissioners. I'll start with Commissioner Graff.
02:45:05.76	Chair Luxembourg	Oh, um.
02:45:06.74	Commissioner Graff	And
02:45:09.44	Commissioner Graff	Thank you.
02:45:11.70	Commissioner Graff	Ah.
02:45:14.18	Commissioner Graff	Well,
02:45:15.95	Commissioner Graff	It seems clear to me that
02:45:18.85	Commissioner Graff	The whole process is just not being followed correctly.
02:45:22.72	Commissioner Graff	Um,
02:45:23.58	Commissioner Graff	There are just too many
02:45:27.00	Commissioner Graff	too many unknowns in the project. I just can't imagine approving
02:45:33.36	Commissioner Graff	this particular effort
02:45:35.76	Commissioner Graff	Um,
02:45:36.66	Commissioner Graff	uh,
02:45:37.75	Commissioner Graff	I think that the territory has been pretty well covered. I just simply think that
02:45:43.47	Commissioner Graff	and
02:45:44.18	Commissioner Graff	Well.
02:45:45.28	Commissioner Graff	We need to see the whole project.
02:45:47.03	Commissioner Graff	and that's all there is to it.
02:45:51.02	Commissioner Graff	That's all I have to say.
02:45:52.45	Chair Luxembourg	Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Greff. Commissioner Feller.
02:45:56.05	Christina Fellock	Thank you chair Luxenberg and thank you Mr. Sullivan for your presentation. It's clear what you intend to do here. I think you need to focus on your project and not anybody else's project and what's happened on their projects. There's always a lot of reasons why things are delayed.
02:46:15.01	Christina Fellock	Sometimes those are on property owners. Sometimes it's on funding. Sometimes that's a combination of a multitude of things. But let's focus only on your project.
02:46:25.80	Christina Fellock	And I would love to see something built here.
02:46:29.44	Christina Fellock	The problem that we face and the risk that's involved
02:46:36.06	Christina Fellock	is and this is meant to sort of help inform maybe a process that we can get through with you
02:46:42.45	Christina Fellock	is you're asking for quite a lot of excavation
02:46:46.42	Christina Fellock	you're looking for removal of a substantial amount of trees that
02:46:51.53	Christina Fellock	that should be looked at almost collectively, not singularly.
02:46:55.66	Christina Fellock	because it's a whole habitat.
02:46:57.84	Christina Fellock	And this commission has to make a recommendation to the city council
02:47:03.53	Christina Fellock	to approve easements and so on and encroachments into city property.
02:47:10.33	Christina Fellock	We cannot make those informed decisions. We cannot make those recommendations.
02:47:17.42	Christina Fellock	to the city council without the proper information in front of us.
02:47:21.20	Christina Fellock	And this commission has that that you're in front of tonight.
02:47:25.38	Christina Fellock	and our vice chair who is not with us due to an illness right now
02:47:30.78	Christina Fellock	we've,
02:47:31.84	Christina Fellock	very commonly
02:47:34.09	Christina Fellock	condition approvals as the chair was saying,
02:47:39.44	Christina Fellock	where you will not achieve a demo permit until you achieve a building permit.
02:47:45.31	Christina Fellock	That is particularly important on this site. It is, I believe, subject to the heightened design review standards, which are higher standards than design review.
02:47:54.41	Christina Fellock	And you've got substantial slope.
02:47:56.72	Christina Fellock	in a city that has a number of findings based on the landside task force in how to handle these types of situations. So engineering is quite key.
02:48:07.28	Christina Fellock	So,
02:48:08.02	Christina Fellock	So what we have in front of us tonight
02:48:11.87	Christina Fellock	Um,
02:48:12.92	Christina Fellock	I don't believe that we can make any motion to approve because it's incomplete. So I hope that what I've described to you will help inform
02:48:23.13	Christina Fellock	a process and what we're looking for and why. And so when you come back to us, you'll have that information and we can have those discussions and talk through how you're actually going to achieve your family home.
02:48:40.66	Christina Fellock	And we will all advocate for that, you know, obviously within the confines of the Sausalito Municipal Code and ordinances and
02:48:47.71	Christina Fellock	and all of those sorts of things. But, you know, we're looking forward to seeing what you envision on this property.
02:48:59.19	Christina Fellock	So I would not be in a position to move forward with what you presented to us tonight, but I am looking forward to what you come to us with in a complete package.
02:49:14.34	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Fowler. Commissioner Saad, any other questions?
02:49:21.28	Commissioner Tsai	I just would like to echo everything Commissioner Feller just said. I'm in complete agreement with her comments and I wanna make sure that the applicant hopefully does understand those. The only question that I had
02:49:34.04	Commissioner Tsai	was in relation, and I'm sorry, because I'm having a lot of lag time on my
02:49:38.91	Commissioner Tsai	end of my laptop, but
02:49:41.26	Commissioner Tsai	For one, the fire
02:49:45.09	Commissioner Tsai	prevention,
02:49:47.35	Commissioner Tsai	conversation, I believe,
02:49:52.30	Commissioner Tsai	It is, I'm not confident of what attachment it is, but it is part of the packet from November 22nd. If they've had a chance to review and digest
02:50:01.19	Commissioner Tsai	and any response to those that they're either prepared for tonight
02:50:05.49	Commissioner Tsai	or hopefully in the future,
02:50:07.82	Commissioner Tsai	Um,
02:50:09.10	Commissioner Tsai	I'd ask out of Mr. Sullivan if he's had a
02:50:12.04	Commissioner Tsai	receive those and
02:50:14.22	Commissioner Tsai	understands what the fire, um,
02:50:17.52	Commissioner Tsai	forces asking for and if there any concerns around
02:50:22.05	Commissioner Tsai	how they're deeming it incomplete,
02:50:24.85	Commissioner Tsai	Did you have a response there?
02:50:31.28	Commissioner Tsai	I think Mr. Sullivan might need unmuting again.
02:50:34.99	Commissioner Tsai	We'll be right back.
02:50:35.04	Christina Fellock	week.
02:50:35.80	Christina Fellock	There you go.
02:50:37.08	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
02:50:37.11	Unknown	Yeah.
02:50:37.13	Christina Fellock	My friend.
02:50:37.32	Chris Sullivan	Yeah.
02:50:37.52	Christina Fellock	Yeah.
02:50:39.34	Chris Sullivan	Yes, on the FHIR, you joined along with FHIR. The application is complete.
02:50:49.85	Chris Sullivan	By law, it's complete. Now, it can be subject to further information requests
02:50:57.70	Chris Sullivan	Bye.
02:50:59.14	Chris Sullivan	Um,
02:51:00.30	Chris Sullivan	the city to amplify
02:51:02.93	Chris Sullivan	and clarify and I received none of those requests.
02:51:06.75	Chris Sullivan	But under the Permit Streamlining Act, the application
02:51:11.00	Chris Sullivan	is complete.
02:51:14.26	Chris Sullivan	There's a difference, of course, between completeness and, as it were, corrections.
02:51:19.99	Chris Sullivan	As to the fire subject,
02:51:22.48	Chris Sullivan	In my conversations with Southern Marin, they will accept a 14 foot width because the truck will be able to ascend on the basis that the 17 foot width higher up of the plan I'm looking at now
02:51:38.34	Chris Sullivan	will allow the fire doors to open
02:51:41.83	Chris Sullivan	So,
02:51:42.86	Chris Sullivan	Clearly, there are many, many, many existing lots that don't really are not able to conform to every provision. So therefore, as is the case here, the fire department has noted the exceptions that they will be prepared to make.
02:52:06.67	Chris Sullivan	on the point of geotechnical
02:52:09.35	Chris Sullivan	The geotechnical report has been on file with the city of Sausalito since 2009.
02:52:16.07	Chris Sullivan	And upon a check that I made a few days ago, it remains on file.
02:52:21.89	Chris Sullivan	And Mr. Jane Nelson, geotechnical engineer,
02:52:25.35	Chris Sullivan	has stated that of the 800 sites that he has surveyed in Marin and over 100 in Sausalito, that this is in the top two stable sites in the entire city of Sausalito. There's rock, it's very stable. We proposed a drainage plan.
02:52:50.21	Chris Sullivan	That's my answer to your questions.
02:52:54.78	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Mr. Sullivan. Additional questions, Commissioner South?
02:52:59.56	Commissioner Tsai	I do not have additional questions.
02:53:01.18	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:53:01.97	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
02:53:03.39	Chair Luxembourg	So, for example, you're going to drive up this driveway. How are cars getting down the driveway? Are they going to turn around? Are they going into a garage? What are your intent?
02:53:13.58	Chris Sullivan	We could go into a garage and turn around, sure.
02:53:17.39	Chris Sullivan	Thank you.
02:53:17.41	Chair Luxembourg	Well, see, this is the issue that we're having, that you could, but are you? So we need to see, you know, I mean, we need to see what you want to propose for this site. You can't build a, you know, 12-foot structure to get to no place. I mean, you've got to, if you're going to turn around in the garage or you're going to turn around before the garage, how far is the garage set back? How high does the building go? Some of the, I don't know the specific examples you said about other things taking so long, but part of the problem we've had is somebody comes in without a plan of whatever, of what they're actually going to build and doesn't have all the information that's needed in order for it to be reviewed so we can make the findings. So we want to help you build your house, but we need you to come in with a set of plans that says what that house is, and then this driveway gets you to your house, and then we can figure out the encroachment permit you need from the city council. But without knowing what it's going to, you know, it's an accessory use to a house that hasn't been submitted, basically. And I don't know how, we're trying to help you. It's not an accessory use. So it's a parking lot. In essence, what you're doing is you're building a parking area.
02:54:27.85	Unknown	and then,
02:54:30.65	Chris Sullivan	It's not an insensual.
02:54:38.34	Chris Sullivan	Wow.
02:54:39.03	Chris Sullivan	I'm building a driveway. We can't...
02:54:39.07	Chair Luxembourg	I'm building a driveway. We can't- A driveway is a parking area.
02:54:43.29	Chris Sullivan	I look for examples in Northern California of debates over terms.
02:54:54.14	Chris Sullivan	and what the Appeals Court decided.
02:54:57.90	Chris Sullivan	And do you know what? The one that came up was the city of Sosileta.
02:55:05.36	Chris Sullivan	And the judge in San Rafael ruled that you cannot ask me, city of San Sosolito, to
02:55:14.64	Chris Sullivan	Give meaning to your code or define words.
02:55:19.08	Chris Sullivan	They're obviously either defined in the code or in general planning convention.
02:55:24.65	Chris Sullivan	And this is another example. And the city's
02:55:28.68	Chris Sullivan	Defence was struck down.
02:55:31.90	Chris Sullivan	Accessory structure and use are defined in the Sausalito Municipal Code.
02:55:38.15	Chris Sullivan	And we can't rewrite that.
02:55:41.52	Chris Sullivan	I will need you to point out
02:55:43.68	Chris Sullivan	what it is in the City Co that does not allow you to make findings.
02:55:49.22	Chair Luxembourg	I think the staff report is done now. I'm going to go to Commissioner Saad who has another question. So I want to have her ask that. Commissioner Saad.
02:55:57.79	Commissioner Tsai	All right, I want a point of clarification, Chair Feller, if we're at a point of deliberation here, or are we asking, are we still having open conversation, I mean, open questions with the,
02:56:01.47	Chair Luxembourg	when
02:56:01.86	Unknown	Thank you.
02:56:10.34	Commissioner Tsai	Applicant.
02:56:10.61	Chair Luxembourg	Okay.
02:56:11.61	Chair Luxembourg	We're not deliberating, we're trying to ask questions. So I think we need to get back on asking questions, but I'm trying to figure out a way to help this applicant come in with what he needs to come in with. But I guess at this point, we're not going to get into, the staff report is fairly clear. So yeah, I think you are correct, Commissioner Saad. So do you have an additional question or-
02:56:38.83	Commissioner Tsai	I personally do not have any additional questions.
02:56:41.85	Chair Luxembourg	okay thank you any other commissioners have any additional questions before i open this up for public comments
02:56:47.72	Christina Fellock	No additional questions, thank you.
02:56:48.91	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, so we're going to now take public comment and then we will deliberate.
02:56:52.84	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Sullivan used this time, didn't reserve any time. So that's the plan of attack. At this point, I will look to my list here and see, I have one hand raised, Mrs. Bushmaker, welcome back.
02:57:11.87	Sandra Bushmaker	I can't seem to get enough, so I'm back.
02:57:14.76	Sandra Bushmaker	Good evening, everybody. Good evening, Chris Sullivan. I've met you before. I reside at 317. I'm the immediate next door neighbor on the same side of the street is 215. But there's nothing between us.
02:57:28.49	Sandra Bushmaker	Um,
02:57:29.71	Sandra Bushmaker	My concerns are about
02:57:31.97	Sandra Bushmaker	Traffic.
02:57:33.56	Sandra Bushmaker	The narrowness of the road.
02:57:35.78	Sandra Bushmaker	and the hill stability, because I do see quite a bit of chert in the road.
02:57:40.63	Sandra Bushmaker	when I walk by there daily with my dog,
02:57:43.26	Sandra Bushmaker	and the narrowness of the road.
02:57:46.43	Sandra Bushmaker	There are cars parked immediately across the street.
02:57:49.59	Sandra Bushmaker	from this residence or from this property.
02:57:53.54	Sandra Bushmaker	And so the road is indeed very narrow there.
02:57:56.78	Sandra Bushmaker	With regard to the trees, I just want to say I have a personal
02:58:01.33	Sandra Bushmaker	opinion that I think those trees could be, some of them could be removed and cleared up. There's a very dense foliage at this section of Sausalito Boulevard. And as I've said, it's on a very steep slope as you've already pointed this out, up to 60 some degrees.
02:58:18.88	Sandra Bushmaker	And I do know that the property I have observed
02:58:22.39	Sandra Bushmaker	the property at 119. Sausalito Boulevard has had
02:58:26.56	Sandra Bushmaker	a mini
02:58:28.64	Sandra Bushmaker	mudslide or landslide into their carport.
02:58:32.60	Sandra Bushmaker	from the adjacent property.
02:58:34.80	Sandra Bushmaker	So these are areas that are of concern to me. Obviously, I
02:58:39.74	Sandra Bushmaker	I'm not going to speak for or against the particular application. I just wanted to bring up these elements as a neighbor of this particular property.
02:58:49.34	Sandra Bushmaker	This street has plenty of traffic.
02:58:52.26	Sandra Bushmaker	And it is a little challenging for pedestrians and their dogs at all times. And so I just hope that we can take those kind of things into consideration. But I'd like to see another look-see at the trees. There's lots of.
02:59:06.84	Sandra Bushmaker	thick vegetation overgrowing Sausalito Boulevard at this site.
02:59:11.51	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
02:59:12.46	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, News Much Banker. You have a good one.
02:59:14.91	Chair Luxembourg	uh we're going to move on to mrs uh ms dumont uh if you uh the zoom team can uh unmute ms dumont uh we you'll have
02:59:27.33	Chair Luxembourg	Are we doing two minutes or three minutes, Director Phipps?
02:59:32.09	Chair Luxenberg	I think for these particular public hearing items, we've been doing three minutes, so let's stay consistent.
02:59:37.98	Chair Luxembourg	AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. DUMALO.
02:59:42.09	Chair Luxembourg	The floor is yours.
02:59:45.84	Chair Luxembourg	Oh.
02:59:45.94	Michelle Dumont	Hi.
02:59:47.61	Michelle Dumont	Thank you, Principal Planner Kristen.
02:59:50.56	Michelle Dumont	and the Planning Commission. Thank you for your time on this. My name is Michelle Dumont, and I live at 514 South Street.
02:59:59.59	Michelle Dumont	And my home is adjacent and uphill from 215 South Sluta Boulevard.
03:00:04.33	Michelle Dumont	I extensively annotated the civil plans that Chris provided, and I thank him for sending these to me. I won't go through them all, but I hope you have time to review them.
03:00:14.51	Michelle Dumont	Tonight, I'll keep my comments to three points based on the limited information that we have.
03:00:21.09	Michelle Dumont	Number one, it's been said the property is extremely steep at 65%. That's the slope.
03:00:28.25	Michelle Dumont	Half of my property is at the same slope and I've actually never set foot on it because it's unblockable. So even imagining construction on this site is really difficult without the full picture.
03:00:41.04	Michelle Dumont	The Hill cut calculations,
03:00:43.82	Michelle Dumont	are extravagant. I'm an architect. I design homes and we aim for equal cut and fill. It's really the right thing to do. It's minimal impact.
03:00:54.01	Michelle Dumont	It's not always possible, but it's always the goal. This project has 1,840 cubic yards and a tiny 115 cubic yards of fill.
03:01:05.41	Michelle Dumont	It's just not even close. The concern here is that this construction will or may destabilize the hill and the older homes all around it. We're on post and pier constructions, so stilts.
03:01:20.68	Michelle Dumont	And even though we are, I believe, on rock, I don't have a geotechnical report to prove that. The houses move, you know, when we walk around. It's older construction. They're not up to code.
03:01:35.10	Michelle Dumont	And then the last one is the driveway. It's huge. And I didn't even realize how much of the public way it's going into. And then all the retaining walls. So I included a sketch. I hope that perhaps Chris can consider parking off of Sausalito Boulevard with some excavation.
03:01:57.19	Michelle Dumont	and a retaining wall that could help stabilize the hill rather than destabilize it.
03:02:02.58	Michelle Dumont	and ultimately try to minimize unnecessary hillside excavation impacts.
03:02:10.24	Michelle Dumont	And that's it. Thank you so much for your time.
03:02:13.01	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Mr. Mon and your information was received. So, and that was the agenda. The next speaker is Hunter Hancock. Zoom team if we can unmute Mr. and Mrs. I'm not sure if Hunter,
03:02:30.91	Chair Luxembourg	Uh-huh.
03:02:33.19	Chair Luxembourg	Hunter Hancock, yes.
03:02:36.67	Chair Luxembourg	Are you unmuted?
03:02:38.77	Chair Luxembourg	Can you hear us? Yes, we can. Thank you.
03:02:42.11	Hunter Hancock	Hi there.
03:02:43.97	Hunter Hancock	Thanks for your opinion so far. We share
03:02:48.36	Hunter Hancock	A lot of the concerns about single project, you know, being able to assess the whole thing
03:02:53.57	Mr. Dixon	Tell them what it is.
03:02:53.84	Hunter Hancock	I know what I did.
03:02:54.70	Hunter Hancock	I will.
03:02:55.55	Hunter Hancock	We have sort of the opposite concern of Michelle. We live directly below the property. So we're at 244 Sausalito Boulevard.
03:03:04.85	Hunter Hancock	And, uh,
03:03:06.09	Hunter Hancock	If you go out our front door and look at 215, you look right into a green wall.
03:03:12.07	Hunter Hancock	and then upward.
03:03:13.49	Hunter Hancock	The 65 degree slope, that's an average slope, but it starts off at maybe 80 degrees.
03:03:19.97	Hunter Hancock	um,
03:03:21.84	Hunter Hancock	uh,
03:03:23.78	Hunter Hancock	Last, let me just sort of start with, I feel there's been a little bit of misrepresentation about our opinion. We met originally with Chris,
03:03:34.66	Hunter Hancock	he asked us to not write a letter of support, but to just write
03:03:39.31	Hunter Hancock	A note that clarified our concerns.
03:03:42.27	Hunter Hancock	And, uh,
03:03:43.86	Hunter Hancock	What we said in that note, I actually put in the note that I sent to the commission yesterday.
03:03:49.53	Hunter Hancock	Um,
03:03:50.54	Hunter Hancock	We were concerned with the aesthetics of
03:03:53.92	Hunter Hancock	of the site.
03:03:55.40	Hunter Hancock	because the wall all along Sausalito Boulevard is rock covered in foliage and we really didn't want
03:04:02.98	Hunter Hancock	a large retaining wall situation
03:04:05.53	Hunter Hancock	like I believe it's 37 and 39 Crescent Street.
03:04:09.55	Hunter Hancock	if you guys know that property. It's very artificial.
03:04:13.93	Hunter Hancock	We didn't want that. And so what we said to Chris in our note back last summer was
03:04:20.50	Hunter Hancock	Uh,
03:04:22.10	Hunter Hancock	A retaining wall in a driveway sounds like a lot. And let's see what that looks like and try to make it natural.
03:04:29.24	Hunter Hancock	Um,
03:04:31.38	Hunter Hancock	We haven't heard anything back.
03:04:33.98	Hunter Hancock	other than an original sort of
03:04:36.63	Hunter Hancock	friendly,
03:04:37.71	Hunter Hancock	Note.
03:04:38.65	Hunter Hancock	But we first saw the plans yesterday.
03:04:43.01	Hunter Hancock	And from a neighbor, not from Chris, from a neighbor.
03:04:47.14	Hunter Hancock	And
03:04:48.83	Hunter Hancock	you know, we didn't,
03:04:50.97	Hunter Hancock	quite the opposite of a letter of support. We felt like it was rather unresponsive to our concerns.
03:04:56.10	Hunter Hancock	because the driveway is even bigger.
03:05:00.68	Hunter Hancock	it's quite a large structure. And essentially between the driveway and the home,
03:05:04.74	Hunter Hancock	You're sort of paving the entire lot.
03:05:07.56	Hunter Hancock	Um,
03:05:08.98	Hunter Hancock	So, uh,
03:05:10.40	Hunter Hancock	You know, we're not against there being a home over there.
03:05:13.42	Hunter Hancock	We
03:05:14.51	Hunter Hancock	you know, we would point out that
03:05:17.85	Hunter Hancock	In Sausalito, there are many very nice homes that have difficult lots and that have stairs from the street
03:05:25.52	Hunter Hancock	that have, say, a garage on the street or sometimes just
03:05:29.30	Hunter Hancock	just parking on the street.
03:05:31.41	Unknown	and an elevator up. So a lot of people have elevators as well.
03:05:34.53	Hunter Hancock	Yeah, stairs or a hill elevator.
03:05:37.01	Hunter Hancock	I can point out a number of them. I'm sure you know a number of them.
03:05:40.79	Hunter Hancock	Thank you.
03:05:40.91	Hunter Hancock	And
03:05:43.84	Hunter Hancock	If I could just speak to Chris for a second, Chris,
03:05:46.52	Hunter Hancock	the
03:05:46.96	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Hancock, your three minutes is up, but also I don't want to get in a situation where you're really giving public comment and it's not a dialogue between you and Mr. Sullivan. But feel free to contact Mr. Sullivan offline for this.
03:05:53.71	Commissioner Graff	Why did you?
03:06:00.02	Commissioner Graff	Right.
03:06:04.31	Unknown	But I would like to say one thing as far as just the we are concerned about the hillside across if that came came down that comes right into our home we're right.
03:06:15.91	Unknown	there.
03:06:17.02	Unknown	and also the traffic, like Sandra mentioned,
03:06:20.93	Unknown	is worrisome because it's already very difficult. We have been hit before just pulling out of our own driveway. If there's more there, that also is a little worrisome to us.
03:06:31.02	Unknown	And so just want to make sure of that. And also I have a very
03:06:35.01	Unknown	Big love for the protracted trees. So that does worry me to take down all 16. There are a lot of junk trees, but the good trees are fine.
03:06:43.04	Unknown	I would love to see about saving some of those.
03:06:46.50	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you for your comments.
03:06:47.97	Peter McGuire	Thank you.
03:06:48.35	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:06:48.79	Chair Luxembourg	The next on my list here is Jeffrey Stafford. If Zoom team can unmute Mr. Stafford.
03:07:00.56	Jeffrey Stafford	Hello, can you guys hear me okay?
03:07:02.16	Chair Luxembourg	Yes, we can. Thank you.
03:07:04.34	Jeffrey Stafford	Thank you.
03:07:04.81	Jeffrey Stafford	Hi, my name is Jeffrey Stafford and I live at 514 South Street next door from 215 Sausalito Boulevard.
03:07:13.36	Jeffrey Stafford	And I would like to open just by thanking the commission
03:07:16.69	Jeffrey Stafford	agreeing with their assessment.
03:07:18.92	Jeffrey Stafford	I also want to say that I do welcome development on the property and
03:07:23.07	Jeffrey Stafford	but we respect the owner's right to develop it reasonably.
03:07:26.78	Jeffrey Stafford	I've reviewed materials of the application and have
03:07:29.63	Jeffrey Stafford	definitive concerns, mainly having to do with the application being split into two,
03:07:33.88	Jeffrey Stafford	was covered earlier because we really have no idea what
03:07:36.89	Jeffrey Stafford	being planned behind the scenes to go on those paths.
03:07:40.06	Jeffrey Stafford	and just the amount of excavation in part one, if you want to call it that.
03:07:43.54	Jeffrey Stafford	is extraordinary. So clearly there are investors involved
03:07:47.05	Jeffrey Stafford	in this development, so I'm naturally just a bit skeptical of what they might be up to, as anyone would be.
03:07:52.06	Jeffrey Stafford	I'm a practicing licensed architect, so I'm a bit baffled by the ambition of the project.
03:07:57.51	Jeffrey Stafford	You know, given how little due diligence has been put into something so extraordinary.
03:08:02.71	Jeffrey Stafford	After assessing the site plans and these plans
03:08:05.88	Jeffrey Stafford	I don't believe they really work together with the site in a way that feels also, you
03:08:10.45	Jeffrey Stafford	The approach to the design that I see is making the site into something that it isn't.
03:08:15.26	Jeffrey Stafford	It's not a flat site as has been covered. It's quite steep.
03:08:18.84	Jeffrey Stafford	about as steep as it can get. And so the idea of trying to bring a car up to this home is kind of baffling to me.
03:08:24.00	Jeffrey Stafford	especially given the history of landslides down the street.
03:08:26.96	Jeffrey Stafford	And what I see in the side plan looks like a suburban-style garage home on a flat site.
03:08:31.50	Jeffrey Stafford	Except that it's not.
03:08:32.73	Jeffrey Stafford	when you look at the heights and the driveway and everything else.
03:08:35.98	Jeffrey Stafford	layers of massive attaining well,
03:08:38.58	Jeffrey Stafford	I strongly believe there are other ways to get access to the home from the street.
03:08:42.50	Jeffrey Stafford	We can kind of parallel excavation,
03:08:44.98	Jeffrey Stafford	to get a couple of parking spaces there.
03:08:47.05	Jeffrey Stafford	We want him to develop something, but we have to look at the reality of what this hill is.
03:08:52.35	Jeffrey Stafford	something more appropriate to the hillside.
03:08:54.88	Jeffrey Stafford	Um,
03:08:56.15	Jeffrey Stafford	From what I could gather in the application materials, the site would go from totally stable, which we believe is, because our home is totally stable at the moment, to
03:09:03.93	Jeffrey Stafford	It's a home from 1964 and it's totally level.
03:09:06.92	Jeffrey Stafford	um
03:09:08.20	Jeffrey Stafford	And so we don't want it to be something that's blasted away and artificially propped up with freestanding retaining walls that are going all kinds of different directions all over the site.
03:09:15.27	Jeffrey Stafford	This is totally unnecessary.
03:09:16.94	Jeffrey Stafford	So Kenny walls should be used sparingly.
03:09:18.91	Jeffrey Stafford	retaining walls should be part of the home when it's built so that if those walls fail over time, that home
03:09:24.72	Jeffrey Stafford	is the thing that the owner would have to deal with before it starts affecting
03:09:28.43	Jeffrey Stafford	Uphill neighbor's
03:09:29.78	Jeffrey Stafford	You know, if it's a freestanding wall uphill, that thing starts to lean.
03:09:32.74	Jeffrey Stafford	It wouldn't affect his property, but it would affect people uphill.
03:09:35.92	Jeffrey Stafford	So basically in conclusion, you know, this site should be developed as a single project
03:09:40.04	Jeffrey Stafford	Excavation should be limited.
03:09:41.73	Jeffrey Stafford	The retaining wall should be used sparingly.
03:09:43.97	Jeffrey Stafford	find a different way to get up to the site.
03:09:46.28	Jeffrey Stafford	Um,
03:09:47.45	Jeffrey Stafford	use the garage area to basically flatten out the the home so it's not three levels bring it down to two
03:09:52.95	Jeffrey Stafford	But,
03:09:53.54	Jeffrey Stafford	Let's see what else. We haven't even seen the official plans. It's just some of the preliminary things that we saw.
03:09:58.11	Jeffrey Stafford	off the record from Chris.
03:10:00.06	Jeffrey Stafford	So the home can extend into that space and stay out of our view corridor.
03:10:04.54	Jeffrey Stafford	The home itself should be an essential part of obtaining law.
03:10:07.77	Jeffrey Stafford	And experts are needed in this process. This is not an amateur site.
03:10:11.65	Jeffrey Stafford	And there should be no...
03:10:12.00	Chair Luxembourg	Let's just stop here. You reach your three minutes, if you could just, your final thought, if you can.
03:10:19.14	Chair Luxembourg	Unmute.
03:10:23.55	Chair Luxembourg	Hold on one second. Can you unmute him before you can have his final thoughts?
03:10:27.22	Jeffrey Stafford	Sorry.
03:10:27.92	Jeffrey Stafford	But my last point, this will be quick, is that there should be no rush whatsoever to stick parts of this process at the detriment of others.
03:10:35.88	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you very much for your comments this evening. Next person is Stacey Cray. Ms. Cray, the floor is yours. The Zoom team can run.
03:10:46.26	Chair Luxembourg	But
03:10:47.74	Stacey Cray	Thank you. And my apologies, but I've been traveling, so I did miss some of this conversation. I came in about three speakers ago.
03:10:55.79	Stacey Cray	I live at 516 South Street.
03:10:58.92	Stacey Cray	So two houses away from, um,
03:11:02.12	Stacey Cray	from the project site. I have been in touch with Chris previously, and he was very kind and actually put up some sort of faux story polls for me. One of my main concerns is views. But I have not seen the plans. I just got I mean, I got the notice that you all sent out, but I've been traveling, so I haven't had a chance to do a deep dive.
03:11:28.18	Stacey Cray	And my apologies, but I didn't submit written comments, so I'll be following up with you afterwards to see if you might take late comments from me. In the meantime, I just wanted to support
03:11:37.02	Stacey Cray	And what the previous neighbors have said, I've lived directly and look at Michelle and Jeff's home, and I am concerned that any hillside movement over there, significant hillside movement, is going to be a threat to their home, and it's worrisome to me.
03:11:53.45	Stacey Cray	That site is absolutely almost vertical.
03:11:57.18	Stacey Cray	There's rope ladder there. You can hardly get up it. I would advocate for the commission to come out and do a site visit and see how steep it is, because I think it's impossible to tell.
03:12:06.94	Stacey Cray	just from even from photos.
03:12:09.52	Stacey Cray	Um,
03:12:10.74	Stacey Cray	I agree there could be a hillivator put there and not a large driveway. We have a hillivator at our house, and so does 514, if that's going to be a less impactful way.
03:12:21.69	Stacey Cray	I'm also very concerned about loud slides for obvious reasons that don't need to be explained to the Commission, I think. And then this is a very bizarre way. I've never seen a house done this way. And, you know, I'm not a planner or anything.
03:12:35.44	Stacey Cray	If we're going to have a house there, let's see the plans for the house. Let's do it all at once. I don't understand why it's being split into and I do have a lot of concerns about
03:12:43.32	Stacey Cray	this being a halfway done project where we just, what we get is a bunch of scarring and,
03:12:48.08	Stacey Cray	potential erosion and, you know, a site that's not completed because it's not economically feasible to build on it. So we're left with something that's
03:12:57.63	Stacey Cray	have done.
03:12:59.15	Stacey Cray	Thank you.
03:13:01.07	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you very much for your comments this evening. Next speaker, Mr. Dixon. Can Zoom team unmute Mr. Dixon.
03:13:15.96	Mr. Dixon	Oh, hello.
03:13:17.16	Mr. Dixon	the afternoon. Thank you for you guys having this so we guys can
03:13:21.05	Mr. Dixon	talk about this in discussion.
03:13:23.74	Mr. Dixon	I live at 111 Marion. I am directly impacted by
03:13:28.73	Mr. Dixon	whatever the Sullivan's wish to
03:13:32.41	Mr. Dixon	Design, I definitely put in a letter
03:13:35.63	Mr. Dixon	to you guys stating it. How am I concerned so I wouldn't go over?
03:13:40.43	Mr. Dixon	on these three minutes, but
03:13:42.79	Mr. Dixon	the thing.
03:13:43.83	Mr. Dixon	that's really,
03:13:46.85	Mr. Dixon	hurts is that the minimal
03:13:49.08	Mr. Dixon	impact to the urban fabric.
03:13:51.38	Mr. Dixon	I did go to school for architecture as well.
03:13:55.34	Mr. Dixon	I am a real estate broker.
03:13:57.52	Mr. Dixon	just the minimalizing the
03:14:01.67	Mr. Dixon	the whole
03:14:03.19	Mr. Dixon	construction.
03:14:06.77	Mr. Dixon	delicate
03:14:08.66	Mr. Dixon	habitat there that it needs to be not just
03:14:12.40	Mr. Dixon	thrown under the rug for
03:14:14.70	Mr. Dixon	concrete, but at the same exact time,
03:14:17.87	Mr. Dixon	being considered of the rest of the Sausalito homes, the stairs, there's a different way of doing things that make sense.
03:14:25.25	Mr. Dixon	And one other thing I do agree with the commission and their decision.
03:14:29.78	Mr. Dixon	Um,
03:14:31.12	Mr. Dixon	on Chris's Sullivan site civic plan.
03:14:35.05	Mr. Dixon	It says that we're five feet
03:14:37.28	Mr. Dixon	away on this property line when in fact it should be 15 foot minimalized, you know, at least.
03:14:43.59	Mr. Dixon	people who live here who want to have privacy, who want to have
03:14:47.69	Mr. Dixon	you know, just a mental stabilization of not being so close and you know, just
03:14:55.13	Mr. Dixon	just being at peace with where they live at without having to
03:14:58.79	Mr. Dixon	be affected by
03:15:00.30	Mr. Dixon	their views and what they're trying to
03:15:03.03	Mr. Dixon	the push and you know, it doesn't really
03:15:05.65	Mr. Dixon	have to have all this impact to the land
03:15:08.87	Mr. Dixon	I'm just thinking about the urban fabric in general and just the way that
03:15:13.49	Mr. Dixon	It can just be not
03:15:15.70	Mr. Dixon	harmed,
03:15:17.03	Mr. Dixon	just for the sake of a driveway and don't even have a home to
03:15:21.98	Mr. Dixon	put
03:15:22.79	Mr. Dixon	on it.
03:15:24.26	Mr. Dixon	But the setbacks
03:15:27.09	Mr. Dixon	should be looked at again.
03:15:29.24	Mr. Dixon	The back of his house is the back of ours. So that's 15 feet minimum. He has five feet on his. That's all. Thank you guys. Have a good night.
03:15:36.56	Mr. Dixon	Um,
03:15:36.97	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Dixon, thank you for your comments this evening. With that, I do not see any additional comments. Director Phipps, do you concur with that?
03:15:47.63	Chair Luxembourg	I concur. Thank you. With that, I will close public comment. I will bring it back up to the diodes. So at this point, what I would like to do is I'd like to entertain a motion to support the staff recommendation at this time, and then we can have a discussion deliberation. Is somebody willing to make a motion?
03:15:47.88	Chair Luxenberg	I concur.
03:16:07.49	Christina Fellock	So moved. I'll make that motion, Chair. Thank you.
03:16:09.25	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you. Is there a second?
03:16:11.42	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
03:16:12.30	Chair Luxembourg	OK, I'll give you a second.
03:16:13.09	Sergio	I'm careful with
03:16:14.53	Sergio	Before you guys have a vote, I do recommend that you allow the applicant
03:16:18.63	Sergio	a minute or two to respond to any new issues raised in public comment. That is a due process requirement.
03:16:25.23	Sergio	regardless of whether or not they've run out of time.
03:16:25.65	Chair Luxembourg	listen.
03:16:28.00	Chair Luxembourg	Well, they ran out of time and used an extra few minutes, but I will turn it over to Mr. Sullivan pursuant to your suggestion and allow Mr. Sullivan to
03:16:38.34	Chair Luxembourg	Can we bring up the clock, the director Phipps?
03:16:44.65	Chair Luxenberg	Yes, I requested the zoom team. Two minutes.
03:16:49.81	Chair Luxembourg	So Mr. Sullivan, you've got two minutes to respond to anything you heard in public comment.
03:16:56.09	Chris Sullivan	I'd like to pull up a screen again if you could see that.
03:17:01.71	Chris Sullivan	Longwood.
03:17:01.76	Chair Luxembourg	Longwood.
03:17:02.79	Chair Luxembourg	We'll make sure Mr. Sullivan has co-host functions so we can pull up a screen, but we are going to keep you to two minutes though this time.
03:17:11.09	Chris Sullivan	Thank you.
03:17:11.57	Unknown	I don't.
03:17:13.67	Chris Sullivan	The screen has long water trust at the bottom. It's a text type
03:17:18.53	Chris Sullivan	Could you see that?
03:17:20.41	Chair Luxembourg	No, we don't see anything at this point.
03:17:23.02	Chair Luxembourg	you
03:17:23.06	Commissioner Saad	Thank you.
03:17:33.30	Chair Luxenberg	Okay.
03:17:34.18	Chair Luxenberg	I know.
03:17:34.23	Chris Sullivan	Bye.
03:17:34.33	Chair Luxenberg	Oh, man.
03:17:34.40	Unknown	Okay.
03:17:34.48	Unknown	Okay.
03:17:35.56	Chair Luxenberg	So when we see a word document, is that your intent?
03:17:38.51	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
03:17:38.55	Chris Sullivan	Yeah.
03:17:38.77	Chair Luxenberg	Yes, it is.
03:17:39.04	Chris Sullivan	time.
03:17:39.33	Chair Luxenberg	you know,
03:17:40.20	Chris Sullivan	Hello.
03:17:40.25	Chair Luxenberg	Fantastic.
03:17:41.96	Chris Sullivan	I strongly believe the findings can be made, which go back to a discussion with Rosalind Thompson in February of last year, who encouraged us to make this application. Then we bounced around a bit with
03:18:00.44	Chris Sullivan	I think Mr Moore took over, Mr Hota took over, and now a full time position, fortunately, with Brandon Phipps. But these are the findings we discussed. It maintains the prevailing design character of the neighborhood. It's consistent with the general plan and its land use.
03:18:22.02	Chris Sullivan	It creates access to a buildable lot. General plans and tents have a mix of single and two-family structures in this zone. In fact, neighbors, the view is improving from the upper lots because...
03:18:41.92	Chris Sullivan	As commented, there are a very large number of trees and vegetation that in fact block views at the moment and that cannot be removed until a construction permit is granted. That's the city code.
03:18:57.86	Chris Sullivan	and so on and so on.
03:18:59.65	Chris Sullivan	It's our proposal that you can make the findings to build a
03:19:04.88	Chris Sullivan	So absent a prevention in the city code from doing so, we ask that our application be continued on.
03:19:13.10	Chris Sullivan	Point of note, if I could, there was a big discussion in Mill Valley as to whether a significant, much more significant driveway and retaining walls could be built just opposite the small Whole Foods. And to quote the city of Mill Valley, the city attorney could find nothing in the Mill Valley Building Code to prevent the permitting and building
03:19:40.45	Chris Sullivan	of minor subdivision infrastructure
03:19:43.02	Chris Sullivan	prior to the problem.
03:19:43.90	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Sullivan, your two extra minutes, which was in addition to probably about 10 minutes we gave you.
03:19:49.75	Chris Sullivan	Yeah.
03:19:51.35	Chair Luxembourg	So we're going to bring it back up to the dais at this point. And if we could stop Mr. Sullivan sharing his screen. At this point, we have a motion on the floor and a second. I will ask other commissioners if they have any additional comments before I give any of mine. Or anybody else want to raise your hand if you have any additional comments, Commissioner Feller.
03:20:19.67	Christina Fellock	I'm just really looking forward to seeing this applicants
03:20:26.61	Christina Fellock	submission of a full project. We, I'm very excited about it and you know, I'm sure that
03:20:36.70	Christina Fellock	that whatever you design will be lovely, but I'm really eager and excited to see a full application.
03:20:45.84	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Fowler, Commissioner Sutter, Commissioner Graff, any additional comments?
03:20:51.77	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
03:20:51.78	Commissioner Tsai	Nothing more to add.
03:20:53.39	Chair Luxembourg	Oh.
03:20:54.16	Chair Luxembourg	I'm sorry, just yourself?
03:20:56.41	Chair Luxembourg	Hello?
03:20:57.13	Chair Luxembourg	Yes, Commissioner Graham.
03:20:58.77	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:20:58.79	Commissioner Graff	Thanks.
03:21:00.93	Commissioner Graff	Um,
03:21:02.53	Commissioner Graff	Just another thing, I was looking at the plans, just a little
03:21:07.38	Commissioner Graff	a few minutes ago.
03:21:09.44	Commissioner Graff	And again, this driveway, if you look at the site plan,
03:21:14.80	Commissioner Graff	The site was really quite small and the driveway itself
03:21:19.31	Commissioner Graff	extends way out beyond the edge of the site.
03:21:25.40	Commissioner Graff	I'm not quite sure how that
03:21:27.41	Commissioner Graff	is handled in terms of encroachment and all that, but it was really kind of shocking to see
03:21:33.48	Commissioner Graff	how much space outside the property line is,
03:21:37.16	Commissioner Graff	just the driveway was taking.
03:21:40.27	Commissioner Graff	In any event, I think I concur with everybody else that this medal is incomplete, and there's some real issues with losing a bunch of trees.
03:21:53.18	Commissioner Graff	Um,
03:21:53.83	Commissioner Graff	I would support a continuance
03:21:59.12	Commissioner Graff	And I think that we should
03:22:02.22	Commissioner Graff	expect a fully complete
03:22:05.80	Commissioner Graff	site plan, landscape plan,
03:22:09.11	Commissioner Graff	house plan access,
03:22:11.92	Commissioner Graff	all of the above.
03:22:13.61	Commissioner Graff	so that we can look at everything all together.
03:22:17.56	Chair Luxembourg	Commissioner, I saw your hand up. I'll go to you in a second. Commissioner Graff, we're talking about an approval of the staff recommendation of denial because this is not a continuance because there is no house. So we would need to deny this and they would come in with a full package.
03:22:37.73	Commissioner Graff	Okay, thank you.
03:22:37.93	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you.
03:22:39.48	Commissioner Graff	Thank you for clarifying. Yeah, so I would support the denial, of course.
03:22:44.41	Chair Luxembourg	All right, thank you. Commissioner Feller, additional questions?
03:22:48.51	Christina Fellock	I'm sure.
03:22:49.52	Christina Fellock	Just one more comment, and it's helped to guide this moving forward, is that this is a great
03:22:55.44	Christina Fellock	project or property. Let's hope there's a project on it for a study session as well, which always greatly benefits.
03:23:03.80	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
03:23:04.17	Christina Fellock	an applicant, the community, neighbors, all that kind of stuff, and the commission. So I just want to put that out there as an option
03:23:11.68	Christina Fellock	available to this applicant in the future,
03:23:15.44	Christina Fellock	I stand by the motion that I made and ready to take a vote when you are.
03:23:22.14	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Feller. So I want to concur with Commissioner Feller on that. I'm looking forward to the full application as well. I just want to tell you, we cannot evaluate, you know, shadows, height, bulk, all those things that are needed. And also, if you build this driveway and then decide to change the design of the house, and then you have to change the design of the driveway because you reorient the house a different way it's just cost that you're you know which don't make any sense for you so encourage you to do a full application and i would second uh uh commissioner feller's recommendation if you want to come up with a development of a plan without without the full the absolute design with some sketches or whatever we would be as commission be willing to entertain you to come before us and we'll give you a reaction to what it is so you don't spend you know a month or two designing it and then find out you know we were you know we would suggest you go in a different direction. So we would encourage you to get your, get your, hire an architect if you don't have one and come in with a full package of what it is that you're proposing. And we'd be happy to look at it without it all, you know, all hard lined if you want us to do that. But at this point, we're gonna take a vote on the motion that's on the floor. Director Fitz, can you take the role?
03:24:49.96	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you, Chair.
03:24:51.24	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Sun.
03:24:52.51	Unknown	Yes.
03:24:53.94	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Kraft.
03:24:54.97	Unknown	Yeah.
03:24:55.07	Chair Luxenberg	Yeah.
03:24:56.32	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Feller.
03:24:57.52	Unknown	Yes.
03:24:58.68	Chair Luxenberg	Chair Luxenberg,
03:24:59.81	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
03:24:59.95	Chair Luxenberg	So...
03:25:00.02	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:25:00.13	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
03:25:00.18	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:25:00.84	Chair Luxenberg	Motion carries.
03:25:00.86	Chair Luxembourg	Motion carries.
03:25:01.60	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:25:01.99	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you very much. We're going to move on to the next item on the agenda, which is 145 Santa Rosa Boulevard. And Kristen, that one is yours as well.
03:25:14.04	Christina Fellock	Sorry.
03:25:14.55	Chair Luxembourg	Sorry.
03:25:15.03	Unknown	Thank you.
03:25:15.12	Chair Luxembourg	Yes.
03:25:15.76	Christina Fellock	Sorry, Chair, before you start and forgive my interjection.
03:25:18.09	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:25:18.19	Unknown	Oh, I know.
03:25:19.94	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
03:25:19.96	Unknown	Yeah.
03:25:20.17	Christina Fellock	As I stated at the beginning of this hearing, I'm not within 500 feet of this property, but I am within a thousand feet.
03:25:20.18	Unknown	Absolutely.
03:25:26.83	Christina Fellock	And because there is no
03:25:29.58	Christina Fellock	Dwelling that is being proposed here is just a tree removal. I do not see any conflicts whatsoever under the FBPC so I will not recuse.
03:25:39.76	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Feller, and that's noted for the record.
03:25:43.96	Chair Luxembourg	No.
03:25:45.09	Chair Luxembourg	Kristen, the floor is yours.
03:25:47.94	Kristin Taiki	Thank you very much.
03:25:49.51	Kristin Taiki	The applicant, Mr. Peter Johnson, on behalf of Heather Hensley,
03:25:54.03	Kristin Taiki	has applied for removal of five heritage trees, three coasts live oaks,
03:25:59.62	Kristin Taiki	one Toyon and one California Bay Laurel. The subject trees are located on the southwest and southeast rear corners of the property at 145 Santa Rosa Avenue.
03:26:10.60	Kristin Taiki	The applicant has stated in the application form they wish to remove the five trees due to two trees leaning over the neighbor's house.
03:26:19.21	Kristin Taiki	and three trees are within a future ADU building footprint.
03:26:24.44	Kristin Taiki	The arborist report was prepared October 11th, 2022 by certified arborist, Zach Vaught, who seems to get a lot of business here.
03:26:32.96	Kristin Taiki	which provides a summary of the health and condition of the subject trees.
03:26:36.98	Kristin Taiki	Generally all trees
03:26:39.34	Kristin Taiki	were found to be in fair to good to condition. However, the arbiters acknowledged the following.
03:26:44.07	Kristin Taiki	Tree one exhibit symptoms of fungal damage and decay in the lower trunk and it's not likely to thrive long.
03:26:51.93	Kristin Taiki	3.2 is oriented completely over the property line, and these are two sizable necrotic areas on the lower trunk.
03:26:59.80	Kristin Taiki	It is the arborist opinion that tree one and two, as it's a reasonable management decision to remove these trees due to the problems exhibited in both of their trunks.
03:27:10.26	Kristin Taiki	Trees three through five are healthy, but he has recommended their removal due to their being in the footprint of a future ADU.
03:27:18.98	Kristin Taiki	The Johnsons are prepared to plant replacement trees for the trees that they are removing. Generally staff supports the request to remove trees one and two due to the structural issues identified in the Arborist Report.
03:27:30.47	Kristin Taiki	However, as there is no application filed for an ADU, the applicant is currently in the process of filing and going through the review process for extensive renovation to the home.
03:27:41.32	Kristin Taiki	It doesn't appear, there is no evidence here that we have any eminent application forthcoming for the ADU.
03:27:48.60	Kristin Taiki	So we have not recommended approval of the three trees.
03:27:51.92	Kristin Taiki	and the ADU footprint.
03:27:53.84	Kristin Taiki	If and when the applicant is prepared to file for an ADU application, staff will have to ministerially process this in any event.
03:28:01.83	Kristin Taiki	in order to
03:28:04.12	Kristin Taiki	to comply with state law and the ADU.
03:28:06.91	Kristin Taiki	So we can deal with it at that time, even when the applicants prepared to construct the ADU in the future.
03:28:13.39	Kristin Taiki	So staff has recommended in a resolution that we remove trees one and two and preserve trees three, four.
03:28:22.74	Chair Luxembourg	Oh, thank you for your presentation. At this point, questions for staff. Given the lateness of the hour, just raise your hands if you have a question.
03:28:23.11	Unknown	I WANT TO SOME THINGS.
03:28:23.73	Kristin Taiki	My research.
03:28:23.97	Unknown	Of course.
03:28:37.79	Chair Luxembourg	No? OK. So is the applicant here, Kristen? We'll move on to the applicant person.
03:28:42.56	Kristin Taiki	I see Ms. Hensley right here on our
03:28:46.06	Chair Luxembourg	I see her now.
03:28:49.23	Chair Luxembourg	cut off on the bottom of my screen. I see her now. Can we unmute Ms. Hensley so she can make the presentation?
03:28:56.92	Ms. Hensley	Hi, good evening.
03:29:00.62	Ms. Hensley	I just wanted to reserve my time to address any public comments. I don't need to speak.
03:29:08.53	Ms. Hensley	to say too much, especially given how late it is. I just wanted to say that we,
03:29:14.80	Ms. Hensley	We were not aware that we need to submit our ADU application with the tree removal application.
03:29:21.09	Ms. Hensley	We wanted to
03:29:23.60	Ms. Hensley	see whether the committee would
03:29:25.48	Ms. Hensley	approved the trees before we went through the process of submitting the ADU application, but
03:29:30.08	Ms. Hensley	Believe me, this call has made it very clear to me that you should do them.
03:29:34.42	Ms. Hensley	together.
03:29:35.38	Ms. Hensley	So I don't know if you had any questions about that.
03:29:40.88	Ms. Hensley	future application of the ADU, our architect is on the line if you had any questions about that and he could address those. But otherwise, I will reserve my time unless anyone has any questions for me.
03:29:53.86	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Ms. Hensley. Before I open it up to commissioners, questions from the commissioners, when do you anticipate submitting on the ADU?
03:30:08.96	Ms. Hensley	Um,
03:30:10.38	Ms. Hensley	Our architect Tom could give a timeline, but we may have already done so or
03:30:16.20	Ms. Hensley	or doing so as soon as possible.
03:30:21.25	Chair Luxembourg	Mr. Akalvar, when do you anticipate the application coming?
03:30:27.04	Tom Akalvar	So I applied or I should say I signed up for an intake meeting on Thursday, February 9.
03:30:34.82	Tom Akalvar	Okay.
03:30:35.74	Tom Akalvar	Yeah.
03:30:36.92	Tom Akalvar	We
03:30:37.03	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:30:38.21	Tom Akalvar	Yeah, so the design has has been developed over the past couple of years for the ADU and
03:30:44.08	Tom Akalvar	the entire
03:30:45.68	Tom Akalvar	proper project.
03:30:48.35	Tom Akalvar	in conjunction with the main house alteration.
03:30:52.42	Tom Akalvar	we've corresponded with
03:30:55.34	Tom Akalvar	planners.
03:30:56.48	Tom Akalvar	for a couple of years now about that.
03:30:58.86	Tom Akalvar	where we're ready to submit that.
03:31:01.19	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, and you're indicating that all of the trees, given the current design, is involved
03:31:08.72	Chair Luxembourg	Still all three trees need to come out to make that work.
03:31:12.14	Chair Luxembourg	That's correct.
03:31:13.70	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:31:14.39	Chair Luxembourg	With that, I'll open up the questions of commissioners just to show hands, if you could.
03:31:20.24	Chair Luxembourg	uh any questions
03:31:22.77	Chair Luxembourg	No questions at all?
03:31:25.68	Chair Luxembourg	No, I'm speaking about it. Commissioner saw it.
03:31:28.24	Commissioner Tsai	I had one question about the trees, not in relation to the ADU, but I believe the staff report mentions that there's going to be an egregious
03:31:35.58	Commissioner Tsai	um,
03:31:36.85	Commissioner Tsai	significant expansion and development of the site.
03:31:39.60	Commissioner Tsai	Do these trees have any impact on those plans? I know that's not in part of the scope and we don't have them,
03:31:46.65	Commissioner Tsai	just trying to understand if the tree removal has anything to do with the current existing plans.
03:31:52.31	Commissioner Tsai	Bye.
03:31:52.34	Ms. Hensley	No, no, they don't. It may provide easier access, but they don't have anything to do with it. It's all based on what our RRB said about
03:31:52.37	Commissioner Tsai	No.
03:32:02.84	Ms. Hensley	that
03:32:04.07	Ms. Hensley	the health of the trees.
03:32:06.67	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you. That was the only question that I had. Thank you.
03:32:08.93	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Saad, Commissioner Feller.
03:32:11.41	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
03:32:11.42	Christina Fellock	Yeah, I just wanted to ask what you're comfortable or if you have a desired tree species that you want to replace the removed trees with.
03:32:25.85	Ms. Hensley	I don't think we had selected those yet. We would work with SAC to...
03:32:31.19	Ms. Hensley	come up with the best option for the area, but we didn't have, um,
03:32:36.64	Ms. Hensley	any,
03:32:38.10	Ms. Hensley	one specific one in mind other than I've
03:32:41.46	Ms. Hensley	think that he might have indicated it was something similar to what we were removing on the application.
03:32:49.48	Christina Fellock	Okay, this that was one thing I didn't really see was the recommendation of a species type for replacement. So I just wanted to see if you had put some thought into that. Thank you.
03:32:56.31	Kristin Taiki	or,
03:33:02.54	Kristin Taiki	I believe the Yarkers did make a recommendation that's in the report.
03:33:02.91	Christina Fellock	Absolutely.
03:33:06.30	Christina Fellock	it.
03:33:07.45	Christina Fellock	Oh, I'm sorry, Kristen. I must have missed it. I must have missed it. I will look right now.
03:33:16.23	Chair Luxembourg	Kristen, can you remind us,
03:33:18.84	Chair Luxembourg	since we're sort of bifurricating this in a way,
03:33:22.76	Chair Luxembourg	If they're taking out the two trees, they're going to replace those two trees and then later replace the other three trees. What do you just remind me what the recommendation on that regard is?
03:33:33.81	Kristin Taiki	Well, it depends on how this is handled. If we only approve two trees today,
03:33:40.59	Kristin Taiki	as recommended.
03:33:42.33	Kristin Taiki	then you can require replacement trees for those.
03:33:45.77	Kristin Taiki	But in the future, when they file for their ADU, because of the state law requirements,
03:33:50.78	Kristin Taiki	We will have to ministerially approve the tree removals that need to go in order to accommodate the ADU.
03:33:57.92	Kristin Taiki	That's my understanding.
03:33:59.69	Kristin Taiki	So I'm not sure we can require treatment placement.
03:34:03.66	Chair Luxembourg	You're not sure you can require a tree or replacements under a ministerial review? Is that what you're saying?
03:34:09.64	Kristin Taiki	Yes.
03:34:10.90	Kristin Taiki	That might be a question for our city attorney.
03:34:14.24	Kristin Taiki	with the state law requirements governing ADUs,
03:34:17.48	Kristin Taiki	It's been very, we've been very tentative about how we handle that.
03:34:22.65	Chair Luxembourg	Can we bring Sergio up and ask Sergio, even if it's ministerial approval of a tree removal, can they require replacement of the trees, which is what the code requires when they do the ministerial review?
03:34:36.13	Commissioner Saad	Right.
03:34:42.69	Sergio	I don't know the answer to that particular question and I have not looked into it, so I'm not prepared to give an answer.
03:34:50.69	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you.
03:34:52.31	Chair Luxembourg	Oh, oh.
03:34:54.18	Christina Fellock	Forgive me, Chair, but Sergio, as you look into that, could you also see
03:34:59.13	Christina Fellock	if our tree fund in lieu of a replacement would also be applicable in the case that a replacement might not be?
03:35:10.13	Sergio	Yes.
03:35:10.50	Chair Luxembourg	you
03:35:11.35	Christina Fellock	Yeah.
03:35:11.57	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
03:35:11.58	Chair Luxembourg	Chris, and back to the question, if we were, what was the, can you remind me of the staff recommendation on the replacement of the two trees? If we go with your staff recommendation?
03:35:26.62	Kristin Taiki	The arborist recommended Island Oak, Corcus tomentella, or Coast Live Oak, Corcus agorifolia.
03:35:34.09	Chair Luxembourg	And is the recommendation for two trees to replace the two trees you're recommending removal of?
03:35:43.26	Kristin Taiki	That's what I'm saying.
03:35:43.48	Commissioner Saad	So,
03:35:43.54	Unknown	Sure.
03:35:43.93	Commissioner Saad	.
03:35:44.74	Kristin Taiki	I didn't recommend a specific number.
03:35:47.26	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you. Commissioner Gray.
03:35:51.42	Commissioner Graff	Yeah.
03:35:53.52	Commissioner Graff	like to change the subject just slightly and get some clarification
03:35:57.87	Commissioner Graff	on.
03:35:58.85	Commissioner Graff	Um,
03:36:00.60	Commissioner Graff	When the ADU
03:36:03.56	Commissioner Graff	plans are submitted.
03:36:05.90	Commissioner Graff	for design review.
03:36:07.93	Commissioner Graff	or commission review.
03:36:11.69	Commissioner Graff	Why wouldn't we also be evaluating the
03:36:16.97	Commissioner Graff	tree removal
03:36:18.86	Commissioner Graff	and replacement.
03:36:20.58	Commissioner Graff	at that time.
03:36:21.87	Commissioner Graff	And I don't understand why that would be done ministerially.
03:36:26.09	Commissioner Graff	instead of by the commission.
03:36:26.68	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:36:29.16	Chair Luxembourg	If my understanding, and Sergio and Director Phipps can correct me if I'm incorrect in the way I state this,
03:36:37.33	Chair Luxembourg	Basically that if they're coming in solely for the ADU,
03:36:41.04	Chair Luxembourg	and there aren't any triggers for design review, the ADU under state law has to be done ministerially, and therefore our TREE ordinance might be in conflict with the state law and ADU's meet, and if there is a conflict, the ADU law will prevail.
03:36:59.18	Chair Luxembourg	I don't know if I described that correctly.
03:37:01.83	Sergio	That's a pretty good summation, yes.
03:37:04.06	Sergio	Okay.
03:37:04.21	Chair Luxembourg	Great.
03:37:04.75	Commissioner Graff	Thank you.
03:37:05.93	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:37:05.94	Commissioner Graff	Absolutely.
03:37:06.03	Chair Luxembourg	Thanks for that.
03:37:07.41	Chair Luxembourg	So in some respects, it might be better to approve the removal of all five trees and specify their replacement now if this is imminent. But the question would then be if for some reason the ADU design changed and it only required removal of two trees rather than three, then we're jumping the gun, I think. But at this point, we're still asking questions to the applicant. We still have to open this up for public comment. Are there other questions of the applicant from any of the commissioners?
03:37:44.13	Christina Fellock	No.
03:37:45.28	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, with that, let's open it up for public comment. If you wanna provide public comment on this item, please raise your hand in the Zoom application or star, is it star nine? Star nine. Star nine on your cell phone. I see one person, the last name is DeVville, I guess. The floor is yours. We have three minutes to come.
03:38:02.56	Unknown	Vice Chair, we're going to...
03:38:14.25	Jerome Levine Derbien	Uh-huh.
03:38:17.90	Jerome Levine Derbien	Good at times. My name is Jerome Levine Derbien. We are the neighbors.
03:38:22.42	Jerome Levine Derbien	At 136 Spencer, just above property at 145 Santa Rosa.
03:38:28.67	Jerome Levine Derbien	And I just wanted to say we agree with the recommendation to delay the approval of the tree removal until we understand
03:38:37.00	Jerome Levine Derbien	the construction project that's justifying it. Currently there's a project application for a main house major construction, but we haven't seen the ADU application. Overall we feel that this application is part of a much larger project that seems to be handled through separate applications and permit requests. So our hope and our request to the commission is that these applications be reviewed together so that we can understand the impact of the entirety of the project on the neighborhood, the city, and ourselves. Thank you.
03:39:16.37	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you for your comments this evening.
03:39:18.89	Chair Luxembourg	uh are there any other comments uh for the public on this particular item
03:39:24.98	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:39:25.15	Chair Luxembourg	I'm not seeing any director Phipps,
03:39:28.94	Chair Luxembourg	Dementor.
03:39:29.96	Chair Luxembourg	OK, so we'll close public comment and we'll bring it
03:39:33.47	Chair Luxembourg	back up to the dais. But before we do that, if the applicant wants to respond to public comment or any additional
03:39:42.24	Chair Luxembourg	comments i forgot how many minutes you have left but uh feel free to do that uh miss hensley
03:39:50.48	Unknown	Um, no, I, I,
03:39:52.96	Unknown	Do not wish to make any further comment. Thank you.
03:39:55.32	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you.
03:39:56.40	Chair Luxembourg	I'll bring it back up to the dais. Let me ask, I have another question of Kristen is, is the house renovation triggering any design review? Is it more than 50% of the walls or any of that?
03:40:10.41	Chair Luxembourg	Or is the
03:40:13.09	Kristin Taiki	The house renovation is extensive.
03:40:16.43	Kristin Taiki	But.
03:40:17.05	Kristin Taiki	I don't want to give you a preview of the plans yet because I don't want to bias anything, but
03:40:22.62	Kristin Taiki	It's pretty extensive.
03:40:24.92	Kristin Taiki	And with additions and renovation interior and exterior. So it will trigger design review and other permits.
03:40:32.00	Chair Luxembourg	Oh, it will trigger, okay.
03:40:32.87	Kristin Taiki	We have an application filed for the house renovation.
03:40:36.88	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, so they're going to be coming in at that time and the
03:40:42.32	Chair Luxembourg	TRADE permit could be reviewed as part of the HOSA application, possibly at the same time.
03:40:49.91	Chair Luxembourg	Uh,
03:40:50.64	Kristin Taiki	Well, the trees are separate from the house. They're in the rear yard and
03:40:50.67	Chair Luxembourg	Well, the
03:40:55.99	Kristin Taiki	their removal is not related to the house renovation itself.
03:41:00.00	Chair Luxembourg	Okay.
03:41:01.50	Chair Luxembourg	All right, so yeah, the more we could put everything together so we see everything at once, like the ABU, the tree removal, the house would be good, but keep that in mind as you review that application. What's on the agenda this evening is this one application. So with that, I'll look for the Commission to put a motion on the floor.
03:41:27.42	Chair Luxembourg	Until then.
03:41:29.14	Christina Fellock	OK, I'll
03:41:32.08	Christina Fellock	Um, uh, I'd like to, uh, make a motion to, um,
03:41:39.34	Christina Fellock	Uh,
03:41:42.20	Christina Fellock	to accept the staff report recommendations to allow the removal of Tree 1 and Tree 2.
03:41:51.22	Christina Fellock	and identify their replacement and
03:41:57.34	Christina Fellock	and planting at a suitable time.
03:42:00.63	Christina Fellock	where it is not going to interfere with any other construction on the site so they can thrive and be successful.
03:42:09.78	Christina Fellock	that those the replacement trees be um the a larger like 25 gallon or larger type um
03:42:22.42	Christina Fellock	specimen and not a tiny sapling. And then deny the other three trees until such time as we understand what is being built on the footprint where those trees exist.
03:42:40.91	Chair Luxembourg	Is there a second?
03:42:42.94	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you. Is there any comment or discussion?
03:42:47.82	Chair Luxenberg	Chair, may I just make a brief comment or maybe question to commissioners? I'd just like to be clear on how many trees we're recommending for replacement. My understanding is two. Was that the will of commissioners in the motion?
03:42:47.98	Chair Luxembourg	Chairman,
03:43:05.40	Christina Fellock	I believe that is in line with the staff recommendation.
03:43:09.57	Christina Fellock	Yes.
03:43:13.04	Chair Luxembourg	Fantastic, thank you.
03:43:13.65	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
03:43:13.67	Unknown	you
03:43:13.70	Christina Fellock	I'm sorry.
03:43:13.72	Unknown	Fantastic.
03:43:14.97	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you. So we're gonna replace with two trees to pick up two trees, replace with two trees.
03:43:20.84	Chair Luxembourg	Uh, that's the motion. Any further comments? So commissioner Grapp.
03:43:25.26	Commissioner Graff	Yeah, in regard to the other trees,
03:43:30.39	Commissioner Graff	tying those trees into this motion
03:43:35.33	Commissioner Graff	doesn't seem to
03:43:37.73	Commissioner Graff	make sense with the fact that
03:43:39.39	Commissioner Graff	They're going to be handled
03:43:41.19	Commissioner Graff	ministerially as part of the ADU
03:43:44.77	Commissioner Graff	application.
03:43:46.54	Commissioner Graff	Where do we stand with that?
03:43:50.93	Chair Luxembourg	I think we stand. Well, I mean, we don't know because it depends on what the house renovation is and whether the ADU ends up coming in with the house or separately. We encourage everything to come in together as best it can, but let Sergio chime in on this.
03:44:07.80	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:44:07.82	Sergio	So the motion on the floor,
03:44:07.84	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
03:44:10.99	Sergio	And I can't recall whether it got a second, but the motion on the floor is to approve
03:44:15.85	Sergio	The removal of two trees with two
03:44:19.19	Sergio	replacement trees as required by the city code and deny the removal of the three trees in the
03:44:24.85	Sergio	alleged ADU footprint.
03:44:27.70	Sergio	which would be without prejudice. The applicant could reapply for those true removals.
03:44:33.88	Sergio	when that ADU application is submitted.
03:44:33.98	Commissioner Graff	one.
03:44:37.45	Unknown	Okay.
03:44:39.09	Commissioner Graff	All right.
03:44:39.12	Chair Luxembourg	All right.
03:44:39.16	Commissioner Graff	Thank you.
03:44:39.44	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:44:41.10	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, we have a motion, we have a second. Do we have any other comments? Seeing none, Director Phipps, could you take the roll please?
03:44:51.97	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
03:44:52.03	Chair Luxenberg	Yes, thank you, Chair.
03:44:53.70	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Saad.
03:44:55.12	Unknown	Yes.
03:44:56.17	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Graff.
03:44:57.60	Unknown	Thank you.
03:44:57.64	Chair Luxenberg	Yeah.
03:44:57.68	Unknown	Yeah.
03:44:57.92	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
03:44:58.90	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioner Haller.
03:45:00.07	Unknown	it's,
03:45:00.13	Chair Luxenberg	Yes.
03:45:01.06	Chair Luxenberg	Chair Luxenberg.
03:45:02.17	Chair Luxembourg	Yes.
03:45:03.15	Chair Luxembourg	MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS OUR STUDY SESSION ON 265 GATE 5 ROAD. THIS IS A STUDY SESSION. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. THE INTENT OF THIS SESSION IS TO LOOK AT IDEAS. NONE OF THIS STUFF HAS TO BE HARDLINED.
03:45:25.82	Chair Luxembourg	for 265 Gate 5 Road. And at this point I will turn it over to Cecilia, I believe, Director Fitz, is that correct?
03:45:38.64	Chair Luxembourg	That's my understanding as well, Chair. Thank you. Okay. Cecilia, welcome. Nice to see you again. I will let you do your presentation.
03:45:47.32	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Thank you chair Luxenberg it's good to be here with your permission, I would like to share my screen.
03:45:54.22	Chair Luxembourg	Permission granted.
03:46:01.27	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Can everybody see that?
03:46:02.81	Chair Luxembourg	Yes.
03:46:04.33	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Great.
03:46:05.08	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	My name is Cecilia Jaroslavsky. I am the contract planner for this project. The project before you is located at 265
03:46:13.59	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Gate 5 Road.
03:46:16.54	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	The project site is owned industrial marine ship and the area contains residential uses and houseboats along the shoreline and large industrial commercial uses along gate five road.
03:46:27.49	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	A variety of retail uses are within the project area.
03:46:32.37	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	The project was before the planning commission on September 21st, 20,
03:46:36.94	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	22.
03:46:37.81	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	to review the requested discretionary review permit
03:46:40.94	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	where in the commission requested corrections and clarifications related to project
03:46:45.62	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	compliance with general plan and marineship specific plan policies,
03:46:50.31	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	and goals and a minimum of one additional plan option.
03:46:56.42	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	While the applicant has submitted three additional design options, I will only be presenting floor plans and the applicant will go into more detail.
03:47:04.65	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	regarding the designs and materials of their design concepts.
03:47:08.47	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	The commission may remember this was the originally proposed site plan.
03:47:12.30	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	consisting of four detached structures on the first level and one larger structure on the second level connecting all first floor structures.
03:47:20.43	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	for a project total of 10,000 square feet.
03:47:25.95	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	The roof line of the second level originally included three
03:47:30.35	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	open areas to the ground level.
03:47:35.50	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Newly submitted plan option B included a more consolidated service score as does option C.
03:47:43.38	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	and eliminates open space on level two.
03:47:46.67	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	reduces the east-west wing
03:47:49.67	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	by five feet.
03:47:51.62	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	and reduces the overhang parking lot by five feet.
03:47:58.72	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Plan option C also included more consolidated surface core removal of some open space on level two.
03:48:05.89	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Also the reduction of the east-west width by five feet
03:48:10.16	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	screened deck area and reduced square footage of approximately 260 square feet.
03:48:21.20	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Plan option D.
03:48:23.12	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Also includes consolidated service core removal of open spaces on level two.
03:48:28.74	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	and reduces level two by approximately 600.
03:48:36.33	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	All submitted plan options meet zoning ordinance requirements and would only meet the approval of a design review permit
03:48:44.20	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	This is a rendering demonstration of all four
03:48:47.35	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	option plans.
03:48:53.21	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Thank you, commissioners.
03:48:54.88	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Please note applicants, Matt, Bryn and Takahashi have requested that they be unmuted simultaneously to better present their design concepts and to address the Commission's questions.
03:49:06.68	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	That concludes my presentation.
03:49:07.01	Chair Luxembourg	That's great.
03:49:08.72	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Cecilia. What I'd like to do is do this a little differently. This is not a public hearing. We'll see if any commissioners have questions of your staff report, but I think what I want to do is allow the applicant to do a presentation, not necessarily with a clock, but to allow commissioners to interrupt and ask questions during the presentation so that it's a working session as opposed to taking a vote on anything. And at the end of this, we're not going to take a vote. We might want to summarize what our recommendations or suggestions are, but I want commissioners to feel free to ask questions as they're presenting options as opposed to doing a whole presentation and waiting until the end.
03:49:52.71	Chair Luxembourg	With that, anybody have any questions at the moment for Cecilia on this?
03:49:59.82	Chair Luxembourg	No, so let's unmute both of them simultaneously, and they can allow them to co-host and Zoom team, if you can allow them to co-host and share the screen.
03:50:12.40	Chair Luxembourg	And who's going for a matter you're going first?
03:50:16.54	Matt	Yes, I'll be presenting first and then Takashi from our architecture team and Max Hausseger, our client, would also like to be unmuted if possible.
03:50:26.00	Chair Luxembourg	Yes, I was in the zoom team if you could accomplish that that would be helpful.
03:50:32.06	Bryn	OK, great. And then I will be showing my screen. Are you able to view the
03:50:39.03	Unknown	Yeah.
03:50:39.22	Bryn	PDF that I have up here.
03:50:41.92	Bryn	Are you going to set it to
03:50:43.45	Unknown	Thank you.
03:50:47.56	Unknown	Thanks.
03:50:51.59	Matt	Great, okay. So we'll begin our presentation here for 265 Gate 5 Road.
03:50:58.25	Matt	We wanted to begin by discussing some of the items that we discussed at the previous planning hearing back in September. Today, we'll be responding to the general plan and Marinsha specific plan points addressed at that previous hearing. We have met with the sea level rise task force and received approval based on this proposal as of October.
03:51:17.39	Matt	We will be justifying our two level building and our material choice during the presentation, but we did submit a hard copy material board in October to the planning department. Hopefully some of the commissioners had a chance to review that.
03:51:30.42	Matt	It's the same sharp.
03:51:31.72	Chair Luxembourg	Can I ask you a question on that? So I didn't see a board, I saw some materials in a bag.
03:51:34.64	Matt	And
03:51:39.95	Chair Luxembourg	Is that what you're referring to? There was not a board per se.
03:51:43.36	Matt	Thank you.
03:51:43.38	Chair Luxembourg	Uh,
03:51:43.70	Matt	Yeah.
03:51:43.82	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
03:51:44.03	Matt	All right, that's correct.
03:51:44.96	Chair Luxembourg	not a physical void. Okay. I just want to make sure I saw what you're intending. Okay. Thank you.
03:51:49.91	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
03:51:49.92	Matt	Thank you.
03:51:51.29	Matt	And just wanted to note that that shardwood that was in that sample board or sample bag, we'll call it, is the same shardwood that was approved by Commissioner Stott and Graff for 52.
03:52:02.48	Matt	part of my ending
03:52:04.27	Matt	We no longer show any gravel in our landscaping plans.
03:52:08.28	Matt	We'll be demonstrating clear pedestrian accessibility in this presentation, and we'd be happy to discuss affordability at the end of our presentation.
03:52:17.50	Matt	Just as a reminder, where this triangular shaped lot in the friendship on Gate 5 Road in between where Coloma hits Gate 5 and Varda Landing hits Gate 5.
03:52:27.67	Matt	And currently on site we have Marin Ship Studios. Marin Ship Studios is an open studio. It's collaborative. It's made up of multiple artists working in different mediums at different scales.
03:52:39.98	Matt	They're housed within this one warehouse building, what has been subdivided into individual studios.
03:52:46.98	Matt	There's also a number of accessory structures. And then most of the site is taken up by a large gravel parking lot. This parking lot is utilized currently by the artist extensively to work outside on larger pieces.
03:53:02.15	Matt	We wanted to begin by discussing a number of the general plan points that came up with the previous hearing.
03:53:08.27	Matt	The first one being this sense of place and recognizing the aesthetic and social value of small scale individual activities within the Marinship.
03:53:16.75	Matt	You know, the MarinShip is this celebrated neighborhood,
03:53:20.10	Matt	You know, originally for shipbuilding,
03:53:22.58	Matt	down the line for beatniks and hippies and artists, and now for many industrial workers and artists housed within varying shapes and sizes of different buildings. But it's all about that creation, and that's exactly what has driven our client to this site. And it's exactly what Marin Ship Studios is, where this collective of artists working in different mediums on different scales of projects, but all kind of collaborating and influencing each other. The building currently cannot house all the artists that want to work within Marinship Studios. There's a long wait list. The building currently floods and this proposal is really meant to provide a space for Marinship Studios to thrive in the future.
03:54:05.26	Matt	We are trying to promote the industrial development within Marinship. You know, the Marinship is this celebrated neighborhood of industrial workers, artists, and makers. And that's exactly what this building is designed for. This is an art studio building designed for artists. We have a large freight elevator. We have a number of ramps. We have a number of forklift clearances, large roll of doors, large door openings to move industrial and artistic pieces in and out.
03:54:35.82	Matt	We have a number of using durable materials. We're creating a large subdivisible space that can be divided based on artists needs. This is a building exclusively for artists and industrial workers.
03:54:50.39	Matt	Another point talks about scale and architectural diversity, promoting architectural quality and innovative solutions rather than conformity while honoring distinctive neighborhood characteristics density and mass. You know, the friendship is made up of one, two, and even three story buildings, most of them are simple in form and simple materials cloud and wood corrugated metal and concrete.
03:55:10.62	Matt	And another characteristic of the Marin Ships is that it floods often. It flooded on the most recent storm. It's only going to flood more in the future.
03:55:18.53	Matt	So what we're proposing here is a two story art studio building.
03:55:22.57	Matt	clad in wood and corrugated metal.
03:55:25.37	Matt	And we're providing the FEMA required 11 foot finished floor level above sea level.
03:55:31.36	Matt	which many of the buildings in Rinship do not. And then you'll hear about it more later, but we're providing an idea or a way for the floors to be raised in the future to keep this building usable for as long as possible.
03:55:45.53	Matt	Another design guideline points out that the friendship is urban rather than suburban in character.
03:55:50.95	Matt	Many of the buildings immediately surrounding our building, our proposal are two and three stories. Again, simple in form, clad in simple materials and meant to house these industrial workers and artists. That's exactly what we are proposing as well. This is a simply shaped, shardwood and corrugated metal building meant to house artists that are already on site and offer additional space for more artists to join the friendship studios fold.
03:56:20.78	Matt	Another point points out that we're meant to encourage the creation enhancement of sustainable beautiful and well cared for public realm much of the friendship is made up of simple.
03:56:31.20	Matt	I'll be at beat up sidewalks, minimal landscaping, and many of the lots, including our own and our neighbor here, have no sidewalk and no landscaping.
03:56:42.52	Matt	Our new proposal seeks to add a five foot sidewalk that would connect with existing sidewalks.
03:56:47.94	Matt	We're adding a line of landscaping that would be native and drought tolerant.
03:56:53.18	Matt	We're adding seating and we're adding this clear connected pathway through the building towards the bay and between the streets.
03:57:02.20	Matt	Another item in the general plan is for sea level rise and that the shoreline is changing and will continue to change in the future. This is a recent photo from January 5th of the large stars we've been having.
03:57:14.26	Matt	Our site was completely flooded. It flooded the entirety of the art studio building. All the artists have to be moved out. Rent will have to be prorated. And this is something our client really desperately seeking to avoid in the future.
03:57:28.12	Matt	That's why we're providing this FEMA required 11 foot finished floor level above sea level.
03:57:33.80	Matt	That will be 30 and even 36 inches above the existing grade at points, but it is the FEMA requirement.
03:57:41.26	Matt	On top of that, we're seeking to provide fully submersible lower level walls. And the idea with that is that in the future, if sea level rise brings waters above our proposed floor plane, we can actually raise the level one future floor up to three foot six in height, still provide an eight foot six lower level and keep this building usable well into the future.
03:58:08.68	Matt	The last point here is this neighborhood character of the Marinship, just underscoring that we and all of Sausalito loves the Marinship. We love that it's quirky and artistic and industrial and a space where things get built and done and make Sausalito the special city it is. And that's exactly what we are trying to continue. Marinship Studios is already this active, creative community of artists, and we're trying to provide a space to allow us to continue. Marinship Studios is already this active, creative community of artists. And we're trying to provide a space to allow us to succeed in the future.
03:58:42.06	Matt	So zooming back to our proposal, this is the existing plan. There's a large subdivided one-story warehouse that houses a number of art studios, number of accessory structures around the site, and then a large gravel area that's both artist workspace and parking. And in all the design options you'll see today, we're proposing to maintain this as the main parking entry and parking area.
03:59:07.12	Matt	We're keeping, we're adding new landscaping around the site. We're maintaining lots of covered and uncovered outdoor workspace. And then we're providing this new two-story art studio building.
03:59:19.10	Matt	So we have four design options today. They're all riffs on what we presented at the previous planning hearing. This first option, option A, the pedestrian connection. We're adding this new clear pedestrian path from Gate 5 Road through the building and up to Barra Landing Road. You can see in plan that ties both literally for access and figuratively for views out towards the day.
03:59:42.97	Matt	and connects across our
03:59:45.78	Matt	covered and uncovered outdoor workspaces. We're also providing three larger art studio spaces,
03:59:53.17	Matt	And then a number of service cores. This one is a kitchen for artists. And this one is an electrical room in our freight elevator.
04:00:01.22	Matt	And those are again connected by these outdoor decks, which are meant to be workspaces for the artists in the studios. Jumping up to the second level, we have this corrugated metal volume.
04:00:13.39	Matt	And within that volume, there's one large art studio space that's meant to be subdivided into individual spaces. And the idea is that this way we can provide the most flexibility and the space for the most artists, depending on the scale of room they needed and also their financial ability.
04:00:33.15	Matt	We're also providing an additional art studio here, great elevator, and then outdoor workspaces for the individual studios.
04:00:42.33	Matt	On the upper level, we're providing ample space for solar panels. These solar panels will be flat and below the level of the roof carpet.
04:00:49.32	Matt	And we're providing skylights for daylighting for the studios below.
04:00:55.75	Matt	Looking at the renderings of this option A,
04:00:58.51	Matt	You can see the building is simple in form. It's a charred wood lower level with a corrugated metal upper level that ties in with the scale of other buildings nearby.
04:01:10.46	Matt	We are calling out this metal as perforated and the idea is that lets light and air into these windows while tying them into the mass. And we're also providing extensive windows on the lower level for daylighting of the studio spaces.
04:01:27.22	Matt	Looking here at an image of the entry from the parking lot, you can see that it's covered, provides access to the three studios at the lower level, the outdoor workspace and the circulation corridor. And that circulation corridor has been modified in the scheme to provide clear access through the building connecting Gate 5 Road with Vardo Landing Road and the bay beyond.
04:01:51.82	Matt	You can see in this image looking the opposite direction from Barra Lining Road to Gate 5, that clear connection, while providing again ramps and clearance for forklifts, freight elevator, large roll-up doors for art pieces, and covered and uncovered workspace for artists' work and for occasional events. And you can see in this aerial image that we're providing these two simple masses of charred wood and corrugated metal, which tie into other masses of larger buildings in the neighborhood.
04:02:23.70	Matt	while providing those
04:02:26.05	Matt	the permeability through the building for pedestrian access.
04:02:32.54	Matt	So jumping to our next scheme, this is option B, thin bar. So with this scheme, we've reduced the overhang along Varda Landing Road by five feet and reduced the overhang along the parking by five feet to reduce the mass of the second level volume.
04:02:47.53	Matt	We're also adding more clear window breaks to break up the fuel volume we've consolidated the service core. We filled in some of the void space and this all amounts to a 7% reduction in the level two interior floor area and a 13% reduction of the perimeter of level two.
04:03:08.33	Matt	So looking here, we have the new proposed scheme with the previous scheme overlayed red.
04:03:13.95	Matt	So you can see that we've consolidated the service core. We've added this one with the freight elevator at the corner along the circulation corridor. We're still providing three larger art studio spaces, and we're still providing this covered and uncovered outdoor workspace for the artists and studios. And we've also shrank the hallway seven feet to kind of condense the building.
04:03:37.59	Matt	It should be noted in the next three schemes that we've moved 500 square feet from the upper level down to the lower level. That's 7%.
04:03:48.93	Matt	So here you can see we've.
04:03:51.09	Christina Fellock	Would you
04:03:52.83	Christina Fellock	Sorry to interrupt you. I just had a quick question for you as you're going through all of these quickly. Is this...
04:04:01.30	Christina Fellock	sort of what you're referring to as the corridor
04:04:04.92	Christina Fellock	Um,
04:04:05.12	Unknown	Uh,
04:04:06.26	Christina Fellock	you know, sort of between these artists studios, does that, is that always in the same location?
04:04:12.91	Unknown	It is an interesting.
04:04:15.02	Matt	you
04:04:15.67	Christina Fellock	Okay, all right, thank you.
04:04:19.11	Matt	Yeah, so again, the thin bar scheme, we've reduced the overhang by five feet along Varda Laning Road and five feet along the parking.
04:04:27.29	Matt	We filled in what used to be board space and made this upper volume more efficient. And then we're still providing this subdivisible larger space and an individual art studio over here with outdoor workspace for those studios.
04:04:43.90	Matt	Looking at the renderings, you can see there's a significant effect by removing five for the building on each side on the overhang.
04:04:51.46	Matt	That allows the building to appear less massive from each end of gate five road.
04:04:57.63	Matt	Um,
04:04:57.82	Chair Luxembourg	Can you explain what can you I'm I'm very unclear what these windows are doing is is the coordinated thing over them or not over them on this?
04:04:57.87	Matt	Can you explain?
04:05:07.40	Chair Luxembourg	to you.
04:05:08.05	Matt	Yeah, so it does vary by scheme, but with this scheme we're showing solid corrugated metal where there are no windows and then a perforated corrugated metal over the window openings.
04:05:21.63	Matt	Why?
04:05:23.33	Matt	I think that we're trying to define the volume as this industrial corrugated piece, but we're trying to peel away that to allow light and air into the building.
04:05:36.60	Matt	And so...
04:05:36.97	Chair Luxembourg	And so...
04:05:38.00	Chair Luxembourg	wrong.
04:05:38.54	Chair Luxembourg	the
04:05:40.43	Matt	It feels like we have a head.
04:05:40.56	Chair Luxembourg	Why not have the windows open?
04:05:42.77	Matt	We have removed the perforated corrugated metal on other options. You'll see it in the next option. In this option, we are exploring leaving it perforated. And it's kind of a design trade off between feeling continuous with
04:05:49.91	John DeRay	Okay.
04:05:50.45	Chris Sullivan	Yeah.
04:05:50.49	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
04:06:00.14	Matt	I don't know, an underscored break by leaving it perforated, or a very clear punch out of that corrugated volume
04:06:07.76	Chair Luxembourg	All right, keep going. I'll see them on the next two options, I guess.
04:06:11.12	Matt	OK, yeah, so this option is a little more subtle with the perforated strips. We'll see a different option later and then we're still providing these large glazing areas for the studious within.
04:06:23.66	Matt	Looking from Varda Landing Road into Gate 5 Road, you can see that permeability both in the window openings and in the circulation corridor.
04:06:33.92	Matt	And we're still providing freight elevator forklift space, roll up doors and everything that our artists need for their larger art studio pieces.
04:06:43.61	Matt	Here in the aerial, you can again see how that reduction in overhanging along part of landing road and along the parking reduces the feel of that mass. The vertical strips break up the mass and the building better ties in with the general context.
04:07:02.36	Matt	So for option C, two sliding bars, the concept here is that instead of thinking of our level two as one singular corrugated metal bar, we're splitting it into two and we're pushing and pulling those bars to open up the corners and reduce the feel of mass at the edges. We're also consolidating the service corridor again. We're filling in void space. And that all amounts to, again, a 7% reduction in interior floor area of Level 2 and a 15% reduction of the perimeter area.
04:07:34.94	Matt	So we have these overlays. The plan is shown in gray, previous plan is shown in red. We're consolidating that service corridor. We have this great elevator. We're providing three art studio spaces and then an extensive space for work, both covered and uncovered.
04:07:53.01	Matt	Looking at level two, we've reduced the overhang in this scheme along Bar to Landing Road, but we're maintaining the overhang along the parking area. And that's all to make an area for pushing and pulling these bars. The bar around Gate 5 Road pushes left. The bar facing Bar to Landing pushes right. That opens up a deck and demassing on this corner. And it also allows the face at the north corner of Bar to Landing Road to appear thinner from the street and less massive.
04:08:21.62	Matt	We're still providing the subdivisible art studio space here.
04:08:25.42	Matt	and a larger art studio here with outdoor work areas to serve those studios.
04:08:31.24	Christina Fellock	Matt, what are these on the VARTA landing side through
04:08:36.40	Christina Fellock	through this corridor area. What is that?
04:08:40.62	Matt	So these are, so Vardalining Road is technically a private road. It's owned by the Clipper Yacht Harbor, and it's part of their parcel. And so they have these two existing, I think you see them here.
04:08:47.71	Unknown	Right.
04:08:53.48	Matt	kind of shotgun style buildings that we actually our client currently leases as art studios. And so it's not part of this proposal and we're not showing it in any of our drawings. But the hope is that once this building is built, we'll be able to demolish these buildings in collaboration with the Clipper Yall Harbor. We have that as kind of like a verbal
04:09:19.40	Matt	agreement with them. But it's again, it's not in this plan. That's an idea down the road.
04:09:24.53	Christina Fellock	So, and there's no, I mean, have you checked on historic context of them? I don't pretend to know that they have any, but...
04:09:33.40	Christina Fellock	Because I'm just curious why this whole corridor
04:09:37.86	Christina Fellock	why you would want this open corridor and it looks straight at that.
04:09:42.33	Matt	So we have HREs for these,
04:09:48.03	Matt	These two buildings, we have not gained historical preservation committee approval that they're historically insignificant, but the HREs lead us to believe that they will be.
04:09:57.92	Matt	The reason that it's held here
04:10:00.27	Chair Luxembourg	Matt, can you tell me what HRE is?
04:10:03.90	Matt	Yeah, historical resource evaluation.
04:10:06.55	Matt	Thank you.
04:10:06.58	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you.
04:10:07.44	Matt	Um,
04:10:08.13	Matt	Yeah. And so the reason that we're holding this cut here is it actually aligns with the entry into 52 and 60 bar landing. And so it ties into the overall context of the neighborhood.
04:10:24.81	Christina Fellock	It would be, I mean, if that's part of
04:10:27.73	Christina Fellock	sort of the
04:10:29.06	Christina Fellock	your design, what, you know, the cornerstones of your design, it would be really,
04:10:34.31	Christina Fellock	Heartful.
04:10:35.60	Christina Fellock	to see what you're envisioning. I'm not sure that I'm
04:10:39.79	Christina Fellock	on the same page as you. And that's,
04:10:43.00	Christina Fellock	probably more on me than it is on you, but
04:10:46.57	Christina Fellock	But I just I'm not really clear why you would want to align your your walk that walkway that corridor
04:10:55.06	Christina Fellock	with the side of that building.
04:10:59.75	Matt	So in terms so again, we're hoping to demolish this and we have the interest but not HPC approval. But in the greater context of
04:11:10.03	Matt	And let me try to jump up.
04:11:12.95	Matt	to our site plan.
04:11:13.96	Chair Luxembourg	Let me just interrupt you for a second. If you demolish it, what would you put there? Nothing?
04:11:20.07	Chair Luxembourg	you
04:11:20.21	Matt	So that's a great question. It's kind of needs to be determined with the Clipper Yacht Harbor. I think the hope would be that we would have some sort of landscaping abutting Barter Landing Road.
04:11:34.36	Matt	But the idea, the reason that we're adding the access here, as you can see in the greater context, with this building removed, we're looking straight down the entry and driveway of 60 Bar to Landing out towards the bay. It's the clearest, I guess, possibility of a view that we have from Gate 5 Road. And so we feel that it's really the best location for this corridor facing straight out here because it allows to see the bay whereas if we moved it to here we're looking at shipping containers removing it here we're looking at taller buildings um this is really the clearest view towards the bay
04:12:11.17	Christina Fellock	You know, I'm sure that
04:12:11.34	Matt	Okay.
04:12:14.10	Christina Fellock	I mean, you've obviously spent many, many hours pouring over exactly where to place that.
04:12:21.26	Christina Fellock	So I believe what you're saying, it would just be really helpful to
04:12:26.74	Christina Fellock	see that view corridor or render that view corridor so there's some clear understanding
04:12:32.41	Christina Fellock	of what you're trying to achieve with that.
04:12:35.84	Christina Fellock	And even though
04:12:37.85	Christina Fellock	CLIPPER owns that, the building there, I mean,
04:12:42.86	Christina Fellock	Are they pursuing or are you assisting them to pursue an HPC ruling on this?
04:12:50.12	Matt	We are assisting them, yes. We haven't directly scheduled an HPC hearing.
04:12:58.49	Matt	But we do have the HRE and are moving in that direction.
04:12:58.94	Christina Fellock	We do have the...
04:13:01.52	Christina Fellock	Okay, because I mean, if it's, I mean, maybe your design can stand with or without that. I mean, that would be useful to
04:13:10.50	Christina Fellock	know that from you.
04:13:14.67	Christina Fellock	If this is
04:13:16.78	Christina Fellock	If getting that removed is a key part to the design, then we'd also need to understand that as well.
04:13:24.71	Matt	It will it has been designed to function with this building in place.
04:13:28.71	Matt	Um,
04:13:29.64	Unknown	OK.
04:13:29.91	Matt	There's still six feet of pathway. This is currently all gravel fill on Clipper Yawkeras land.
04:13:36.76	Matt	and there would still be access around the building. And in theory, if the building was still there and still occupied by Marineship Studios, it would kind of function as an extension of this new building.
04:13:47.49	Matt	Yeah, but the the end goal is to get that removed.
04:13:51.19	Christina Fellock	Okay, I guess just maybe explain the context a little bit better, since this is just a study session.
04:13:58.97	Christina Fellock	it's meant just to be some helpful sort of feedback and,
04:14:03.44	Christina Fellock	You've been looking at these drawings for so long, and we haven't seen them in a while, so
04:14:08.75	Christina Fellock	It's a fresh set of eyes on them. So that would be really helpful.
04:14:12.85	Matt	Yeah, thank you. I think that's a good suggestion.
04:14:16.82	Matt	I'm circling back to this option C two sliding bar option.
04:14:23.33	Matt	We talked about how we're pushing and pulling to open up the corners.
04:14:28.09	Matt	And so you can begin to see that from the renderings. We're providing this opening from the south end of gate five road, where there used to be just solid face. And we're reducing the width significantly that you see from the north end here to kind of downplay the feel of mass from both these angles. You can see how that opening provides light and openness, how we're providing.
04:14:52.65	Matt	Or we're designing for fully open windows in this team, no perforated metal over them, so very clear breaks in that mess.
04:15:01.13	Matt	That reduction of face facing north. And then again, the large windows to bring daylight into the studio's glow.
04:15:10.90	Matt	Looking from Varda Landing Road through to Gate 5, you can see how that pushing and pulling opens up the overhang here, allowing for kind of a reduced skill of mass through this connected pathway, while still providing the large industrial roll-up doors, freight elevator, forklift clearance, and covered and uncovered workspace. And then looking again here at the aerial, you can see that reduced width at the north end, much more open south end, opens up the, I guess, reduces the feel of mass from those corners and how this new mass ties in with other surrounding buildings.
04:15:58.22	Matt	And then our last game for tonight is option D, the reduced upper volume scheme. Here is kind of our most significant move. We're cutting out an extensive piece of the level two maps here on the corner, what we feel is the most prominent corner. We're allowing the art studio below to extend beyond that second floor level. And this is actually much needed. A lot of our current artists are really desiring taller spaces to work within. And so this adds kind of an additional height space for the start to below. We are playing with the idea here of some
04:16:36.39	Matt	some strong vertical window openings, but then also allowing a lot of the gate five road facade to be just pure industrial corrugated metal, no openings, no perforation, nothing fancy, just very straightforward.
04:16:50.33	Matt	And this all amounts to a 7% reduction in level two interior floor area and a 21% reduction in the perimeter of level two.
04:17:00.29	Matt	So looking at floor plans, much of the same with this consolidated service core with the freight elevator here. Three large art studios and covered and uncovered workspace. The only difference being this double height space, or not double height, but I should say extended height space of this art studio here.
04:17:21.28	Chair Luxembourg	Why would... okay.
04:17:21.31	Matt	Amen.
04:17:25.33	Chair Luxembourg	I was in the prior, I thought you were showing the upper level and you had gotten rid of the
04:17:33.94	Chair Luxembourg	subunits, but that's this is lower level plan.
04:17:37.53	Matt	Exactly. Yeah. So I see it. Never mind. Yeah, this this exchange. So there is that taller space for just a small portion of our level. And then looking at level two, we've cut out this large piece of level two. We're allowing a small piece of level one to extend slightly higher than it had previously. we're still providing this subdivided art studio space with another private art studio here and then we're providing workspaces outdoor for those studios.
04:18:16.36	Matt	So looking at the-
04:18:16.60	Chair Luxembourg	All of these spaces, you don't have doors. Don't people need lockable, secure spaces?
04:18:24.73	Chair Luxembourg	There's no doors in any of this.
04:18:26.40	Matt	Yeah, it could depend on the use and needs of the individual artists, but doors can easily be installed.
04:18:33.71	Matt	I know we...
04:18:33.89	Chair Luxembourg	I know we plan is to have no door.
04:18:37.56	Matt	I think that the philosophy of Marinship Studios is that it's collaborative and open. But if the individual artists wanted a door, we could easily add it. I know we had spoken last time, I think Commissioner Graff pointed out noise issues between individual studios. So that could be a good point that maybe it would be best to have doors to allow noisy activities to be shut behind.
04:19:04.18	Chair Luxembourg	Are these four walls or these half walls?
04:19:09.11	Matt	So the intent is that they would be partial height and then if sound or security was an issue we could add
04:19:16.77	Matt	like a glass upper part to kind of allow borrowed light to come through into each studio.
04:19:23.41	Chair Luxembourg	I see.
04:19:27.62	Matt	But then looking at the renderings here for option D, you can see we've cut out this large swap of level two to reduce the field volume from this angle. It's also reducing the mass from this angle
04:19:41.09	Matt	And as we jump down here, you can see how that
04:19:43.92	Matt	Thank you.
04:19:43.98	Matt	large cut pans out at this most visible corner, how the lower level art studio extends beyond to give additional height as needed for this art studio. But then how we're exploring just leaving this space completely industrial and corrugated as opposed to
04:20:03.31	Matt	adding some sort of perforation or opening to allow us to feel more industrial.
04:20:08.26	Christina Fellock	So Matt, if you can go back to that,
04:20:11.62	Christina Fellock	So on the top rendering here, that sort of double height studio space,
04:20:18.42	Christina Fellock	where is the floor, the finished floor level of that space compared to the corrugated
04:20:25.69	Christina Fellock	that exterior siding.
04:20:25.72	Matt	Yeah.
04:20:27.77	Matt	So the finished floor for this whole glass volume would be the level one finished floor, that 11 foot FEMA required area.
04:20:36.56	Matt	Um,
04:20:37.74	Matt	that
04:20:38.65	Matt	as is before we raise the floor in the future, like we're planning to be able to do. This is a 12 foot ceiling.
04:20:45.60	Unknown	Okay.
04:20:46.14	Matt	So then beyond that, this would actually be a 16 foot ceiling.
04:20:50.93	Christina Fellock	Okay.
04:20:51.69	Matt	for that lower level studio.
04:20:53.47	Christina Fellock	And did you do any studies or any
04:20:58.14	Christina Fellock	you know, perspectives or renderings
04:21:00.47	Christina Fellock	sort of further up the road as you come to gate five. So I guess it's Coloma,
04:21:06.61	Christina Fellock	if you are coming towards that intersection
04:21:06.73	Mr. Dixon	if,
04:21:07.56	Mr. Dixon	Thank you.
04:21:07.57	Unknown	you
04:21:07.66	Unknown	Thank you.
04:21:11.51	Christina Fellock	Because, you know, this corner that we're looking at sort of in the top rendering and how you
04:21:19.25	Christina Fellock	jog, I think, into the parking lot is really an important intersection.
04:21:26.37	Christina Fellock	in that ingress and egress of the parking
04:21:29.70	Christina Fellock	and the intersection of Gate 5 and Cloma.
04:21:33.31	Christina Fellock	So I have a look at that.
04:21:33.38	Matt	So, I mean,
04:21:35.47	Christina Fellock	Have you actually rendered that or
04:21:38.35	Matt	We have, and I apologize for not having it in this presentation. We were just trying to cut down on our number of slides, because we have a lot.
04:21:45.49	Unknown	Thank you.
04:21:45.54	Matt	Thank you.
04:21:45.56	Unknown	Yeah.
04:21:45.64	Matt	This view is taken from the perspective and size is kind of small, but from the intersection of Coloma and Gate 5.
04:21:53.34	Matt	But I agree that further down Coloma is also an important perspective. So we can make sure to include that in our next presentation or study it further.
04:22:03.25	Christina Fellock	Yeah, I mean, one of the wonderful things about all these options that you're showing us is that
04:22:08.32	Christina Fellock	the how you treat
04:22:11.63	Christina Fellock	Um,
04:22:13.37	Christina Fellock	you know, this sort of, I guess I'll just call it the southern corner where you enter into the
04:22:19.48	Christina Fellock	into your parking area, I mean, that's really the beacon
04:22:22.92	Christina Fellock	And you're fortunate because there's not much else
04:22:28.07	Christina Fellock	around it that is competing with it.
04:22:31.76	Christina Fellock	And so it's a really wonderful opportunity to make whatever statement it is you're trying to make. And you've given us a lot of different options here,
04:22:39.42	Christina Fellock	Just something to think about.
04:22:42.16	Christina Fellock	because
04:22:43.68	Christina Fellock	you know, that whole going back to creating a sense of place and some of the general plan requirements that we're looking for
04:22:51.88	Christina Fellock	and how you announce this building or the use of the building and all those sorts of things.
04:22:57.82	Christina Fellock	You've got literally a blank canvas here. And I'm curious how you want to treat it.
04:23:10.15	Carlito Berg	Amen.
04:23:13.02	Matt	Yeah, I think it is something we have studied and tried to focus on and it's a little bit of the play of this overhang. I know in the original proposal that overhang was pretty significant.
04:23:26.42	Matt	And it was something that was architecturally exciting to us, but maybe was interpreted by the commissioners as
04:23:33.07	Peter McGuire	to,
04:23:33.26	Matt	Thank you.
04:23:35.79	Matt	Lashy or modern or not fitting with the neighborhood so in studying these different options I think we've been trying to play around with how different levels of that overhead feel and what that does kind of announcing the building at this corner.
04:23:50.86	Christina Fellock	Yeah.
04:23:51.55	Christina Fellock	Okay.
04:23:56.21	Matt	So we have that angle and then just wrapping up on the last slide.
04:24:00.61	Matt	But
04:24:01.35	Matt	Looking at this option D with the large remove corner along Gate 5 in Coloma, we're looking back from Varda Landing towards Gate 5. We're keeping that removal of this corner as well to open up the feel of this connected pathway, while still providing all the industrial art pieces we've been talking about with forklifts, freight elevators, rolled doors, whatnot.
04:24:26.08	Matt	And then looking at the aerial perspective, you can see the effect of that large cut and box extending beyond Kazoo come from Coloma.
04:24:36.57	Matt	the reduced face here at the north end, and then still allowing that porosity through the building view to the bay and how all those moves tie into the greater context here.
04:24:53.08	Matt	So that was the end of our slides as we have them.
04:24:55.86	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, do you have a summary slide that, or maybe Cecilia can put up that summary slide that showed all four at once?
04:25:05.04	Chair Luxembourg	Do you have one that's all four at once?
04:25:07.69	Matt	I do not, unfortunately.
04:25:10.27	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	I'm happy to pull that one up, Chair.
04:25:11.84	Unknown	I'm sorry.
04:25:11.87	Matt	Yeah.
04:25:12.02	Unknown	I will stop there.
04:25:14.91	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Thank you.
04:25:15.49	Unknown	Thank you.
04:25:20.23	Unknown	Right.
04:25:22.64	Chair Luxembourg	So I guess I'd like to do at this point is ask each of the commissioners, there's, what happened?
04:25:35.06	Chair Luxembourg	Hey, there it is, okay.
04:25:37.08	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	They disappear sometimes.
04:25:40.07	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
04:25:41.08	Chair Luxembourg	I don't know. There we go.
04:25:42.62	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	There we go. There we go, yeah.
04:25:44.32	Chair Luxembourg	Why is it disappearing?
04:25:46.26	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Well,
04:25:48.16	Chair Luxembourg	Is it part of a...
04:25:48.44	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Let me stop sharing and bring it back up.
04:25:52.39	Chair Luxembourg	Okay.
04:25:54.01	Commissioner Tsai	Can I ask?
04:25:54.94	Commissioner Tsai	Question while that's happening.
04:25:56.96	Unknown	Yeah.
04:25:57.47	Commissioner Tsai	I just was unclear. I'm just going back to our from the agenda.
04:26:03.82	Commissioner Tsai	Attachment nine.
04:26:05.99	Commissioner Tsai	Um,
04:26:07.38	Commissioner Tsai	GP MSP compliance matrix.
04:26:11.65	Commissioner Tsai	It has a date, first of all, study session, January,
04:26:15.80	Commissioner Tsai	14th, 2023, but I'm just not clear who filled that out. Is that staff or is that the applicant?
04:26:26.51	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	I'm sorry, commissioner. What was your question about the major?
04:26:30.41	Commissioner Tsai	No worries, I'm looking at attachment nine. Oh yes.
04:26:33.23	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Oh, yes.
04:26:34.12	Unknown	Bye.
04:26:35.25	Commissioner Tsai	Was that you, Cecilia? Who filled that out? Okay.
04:26:37.33	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Absolutely.
04:26:37.50	Unknown	Bye.
04:26:37.53	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Yeah.
04:26:37.73	Unknown	Yeah.
04:26:37.78	Cecilia Jaroslavsky	Thank you.
04:26:39.50	Commissioner Tsai	Okay, thank you. I was just unclear.
04:26:42.00	Commissioner Tsai	Um,
04:26:43.71	Commissioner Tsai	on that so.
04:26:46.48	Commissioner Tsai	I'm sorry.
04:26:48.08	Commissioner Tsai	Oh,
04:26:48.62	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
04:26:48.64	Unknown	Thank you.
04:26:48.67	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
04:26:48.79	Unknown	I'm not.
04:26:48.85	Chair Luxembourg	Oh.
04:26:48.94	Unknown	Thank you.
04:26:48.97	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
04:26:53.06	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, so I have some thoughts. Others probably have some thoughts. I guess the best thing to do is to go around and people can give you ideas. All of our ideas collectively might be in conflict with one another, but we could give you thoughts on it. But I guess I'll start with Commissioner Graff, if you don't mind.
04:27:17.32	Commissioner Graff	I don't mind. Thank you.
04:27:20.38	Commissioner Graff	Chair Luxembourg.
04:27:22.98	Commissioner Graff	Well,
04:27:26.32	Commissioner Graff	Let me first say that
04:27:30.38	Commissioner Graff	I was expecting
04:27:32.53	Commissioner Graff	some
04:27:33.49	Commissioner Graff	to see some
04:27:35.78	Commissioner Graff	different approaches.
04:27:37.94	Commissioner Graff	Um,
04:27:39.34	Commissioner Graff	but
04:27:40.29	Commissioner Graff	That's not what we got. We still have the same aesthetic.
04:27:44.69	Commissioner Graff	So, um,
04:27:47.24	Commissioner Graff	But going with that, I have to say that the option D
04:27:54.83	Commissioner Graff	that you presented.
04:27:56.96	Commissioner Graff	to me is
04:27:58.92	Commissioner Graff	clearly the best
04:28:02.16	Commissioner Graff	solution that I've seen, it has much of our interest
04:28:07.88	Commissioner Graff	and the way the forms are expressed and the scale
04:28:11.73	Commissioner Graff	one part to another.
04:28:13.92	Commissioner Graff	It has been a lot of
04:28:17.19	Commissioner Graff	I like the fact that a large one singular form has been
04:28:22.70	Commissioner Graff	kind of
04:28:23.96	Commissioner Graff	deconstructed.
04:28:25.57	Commissioner Graff	into something that's a little more,
04:28:31.93	Commissioner Graff	Well, it's a little more fitting to the surroundings. And I have to say that I'm beginning with this new
04:28:42.83	Commissioner Graff	more
04:28:44.04	Commissioner Graff	more articulated
04:28:45.68	Commissioner Graff	solution
04:28:47.70	Commissioner Graff	I'm getting a little more amenable to the aesthetic that you have here. It's looking a little less corporate and, uh,
04:29:00.51	Commissioner Graff	And look at me and it's looking a little bit more purposeful.
04:29:04.34	Commissioner Graff	And I like that.
04:29:05.71	Commissioner Graff	I like the fact that some of these volumes have been reduced
04:29:11.33	Commissioner Graff	I like the fact that in the
04:29:14.64	Commissioner Graff	perspective from
04:29:16.76	Commissioner Graff	the south end of it, where you see the overhang and you can
04:29:23.29	Commissioner Graff	really see the impact of the high studio space at the corner.
04:29:31.48	Commissioner Graff	I think that whole view has really softened the approach.
04:29:36.96	Commissioner Graff	to the building.
04:29:38.18	Commissioner Graff	It's much improved.
04:29:40.10	Commissioner Graff	I'm still a little uncomfortable with the
04:29:44.35	Commissioner Graff	amount of overhang there. I think that's
04:29:47.38	Commissioner Graff	maybe still a little bit radical,
04:29:49.99	Commissioner Graff	All in all, I think that
04:29:52.86	Commissioner Graff	that option B is really moving in the right direction.
04:29:59.39	Commissioner Graff	Um,
04:30:00.72	Commissioner Graff	I would question
04:30:02.87	Commissioner Graff	the
04:30:05.33	Commissioner Graff	the opacity of the
04:30:09.18	Commissioner Graff	walls, the upper walls,
04:30:11.83	Commissioner Graff	along Gate 5 Road. I understand
04:30:14.42	Commissioner Graff	Uh,
04:30:15.62	Commissioner Graff	the intent there is to define them, you know,
04:30:21.33	Commissioner Graff	you know,
04:30:22.76	Commissioner Graff	pretty clearly.
04:30:24.52	Commissioner Graff	I'm concerned that
04:30:27.08	Commissioner Graff	that, um,
04:30:29.58	Commissioner Graff	It would be nice to see some sort of window pattern in there that doesn't disrupt the shape, but allows light into the studios. I know there are skylights in there
04:30:42.96	Commissioner Graff	But I'm thinking, you know,
04:30:46.98	Commissioner Graff	with the use of the perforated
04:30:51.31	Commissioner Graff	Um,
04:30:52.46	Commissioner Graff	metal
04:30:53.71	Commissioner Graff	Um,
04:30:55.52	Commissioner Graff	and that play of the perforated and the opaque
04:31:00.59	Commissioner Graff	metals might
04:31:02.40	Commissioner Graff	my, you know,
04:31:03.46	Commissioner Graff	more opportunity for some light coming in
04:31:07.04	Commissioner Graff	from that side of the building.
04:31:09.79	Commissioner Graff	or our windows
04:31:11.77	Commissioner Graff	and some of the other
04:31:13.27	Commissioner Graff	solutions and I think
04:31:15.77	Commissioner Graff	from my standpoint,
04:31:19.29	Commissioner Graff	that
04:31:21.25	Commissioner Graff	uh,
04:31:22.65	Commissioner Graff	this concept.
04:31:24.07	Commissioner Graff	CONCORD.
04:31:25.10	Commissioner Graff	Good.
04:31:26.45	Commissioner Graff	handle windows pretty nicely. Yeah, I like the way it's going. I'm getting more used to the
04:31:38.67	Commissioner Graff	to the kind of aesthetic that's going on. The materials actually I do like a lot.
04:31:42.61	Mr. Dixon	I'm not sure.
04:31:45.25	Commissioner Graff	all in all.
04:31:48.17	Commissioner Graff	Anyway, I think this is a good move.
04:31:50.97	Commissioner Graff	Um,
04:31:52.10	Commissioner Graff	Thank you.
04:31:52.23	Commissioner Graff	but we could
04:31:53.08	Commissioner Graff	Talk about it.
04:31:54.17	Commissioner Graff	more and
04:31:55.71	Commissioner Graff	and I would be interested to hear
04:31:59.56	Commissioner Graff	some of the other commissioners' response and also
04:32:04.79	Commissioner Graff	the architect's response, but,
04:32:10.75	Commissioner Graff	I would say those are my thoughts and my concerns.
04:32:17.63	Commissioner Graff	So yeah.
04:32:20.11	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner.
04:32:20.57	Commissioner Graff	I'll pass it on to somebody else.
04:32:22.30	Chair Luxembourg	So let's call on Commissioner Saad.
04:32:28.13	Commissioner Tsai	Um, thank you, Chet Luxenberg. Um, nice to see you, Matt. And, uh, I think, you know, you guys are, you guys are trying really hard here. Um,
04:32:37.75	Commissioner Tsai	And I think you're also trying to do something in concept that's really interesting to support that area and community
04:32:44.38	Commissioner Tsai	Um,
04:32:45.61	Commissioner Tsai	Sticking with what Commissioner Graff just said, I thought
04:32:50.11	Commissioner Tsai	We have provided a little bit more clear direction last time that
04:32:55.06	Commissioner Tsai	that the mass of the scale was a little bit uncomfortable.
04:33:02.99	Commissioner Tsai	I do think that you are headed in the right direction. I am wondering, of course, I'm not a structural engineer here, but to Commissioner Graff's point, I too am leaning towards option D
04:33:16.35	Commissioner Tsai	as the options are presented.
04:33:18.41	Commissioner Tsai	But, you know, with
04:33:21.03	Commissioner Tsai	the concept around
04:33:22.97	Commissioner Tsai	What you have and I believe both the original plan and I believe option B if I'm seeing correctly
04:33:29.23	Commissioner Tsai	some of those perforation or something to just break up that mass, I still find it,
04:33:38.24	Commissioner Tsai	a little bit
04:33:41.51	Commissioner Tsai	jarring in scale, even though it's an acceptable scale, just my personal opinion, but in the essence of light,
04:33:51.34	Commissioner Tsai	It was.
04:33:52.06	Commissioner Tsai	I'd be curious to know if there's a sort of pick and choose type approach to
04:33:57.26	Commissioner Tsai	Because I think each plan has something that's great about it. I lean towards option D, but I do think
04:34:03.76	Commissioner Tsai	you know, having that concept of that window, I see an option C, I'm not saying to replicate that over to option D, but the concept of having that
04:34:11.81	Commissioner Tsai	visual to the eye and in the interest of light, I think would be an interesting approach that would make,
04:34:20.12	Commissioner Tsai	you know, a little bit more
04:34:22.34	Commissioner Tsai	warm up to the design that is here.
04:34:27.10	Commissioner Tsai	I like that plan of that corridor and I understand Commissioner
04:34:32.09	Commissioner Tsai	Feller's point.
04:34:34.55	Commissioner Tsai	But as long as
04:34:36.85	Commissioner Tsai	what she said made sense to me, you know, to explain its use.
04:34:40.54	Commissioner Tsai	It seems like there's a good use throughout the
04:34:44.07	Commissioner Tsai	project for it, but if your intention really is to clear that additional building,
04:34:52.85	Commissioner Tsai	Just be clear about that so we can also
04:34:56.76	Commissioner Tsai	have the full concept in mind when we move forward. Appreciate you taking that comment on the gravel and I think the landscaping is also coming into play.
04:35:07.09	Commissioner Tsai	I think if I understood correctly, option D is taking out
04:35:12.52	Commissioner Tsai	650 square feet, is that correct?
04:35:15.66	Commissioner Tsai	Um,
04:35:17.28	Commissioner Tsai	I think that was from Cecilia, but I think you have percentages, but am I clear? Let me word it this way. Option D is the greatest reduction. Is that a fair, correct? Correct.
04:35:17.52	Mr. Dixon	Yeah.
04:35:27.32	Matt	So to be clear,
04:35:28.18	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
04:35:29.01	Commissioner Tsai	Yeah.
04:35:29.82	Matt	Each option actually provides the same overall interior square footage.
04:35:34.90	Matt	Um.
04:35:35.10	Commissioner Saad	I'm not.
04:35:35.98	Matt	Option D options B, C and D take
04:35:40.38	Matt	essentially 500 square feet from level two and put it on the level one.
04:35:45.73	Unknown	Okay.
04:35:46.15	Matt	And what we are really
04:35:48.06	Matt	Pushing and pulling instead was kind of how this mass feels and appears.
04:35:53.60	Matt	in these options.
04:35:54.76	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
04:35:55.25	Matt	So option D ends up with having the least
04:35:55.27	Unknown	Thank you.
04:35:58.90	Matt	perimeter of level two, if that makes sense.
04:36:01.76	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
04:36:02.39	Matt	what we feel like is the eventual feeling of that massiveness of level two.
04:36:09.80	Commissioner Tsai	Yeah, okay, I think I understand that.
04:36:13.71	Commissioner Tsai	But yeah, I won't belabor it. I also know it's late and I want to let my other colleagues give some more feedback, but I would
04:36:21.69	Commissioner Tsai	Of all the options presented, I am most in favor of option D at this time.
04:36:29.27	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
04:36:31.40	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Your fellows imagine just like this.
04:36:31.73	Chair Luxembourg	there.
04:36:33.10	Chair Luxembourg	Bye.
04:36:34.23	Chair Luxembourg	Your fellow is about to just like,
04:36:35.94	Commissioner Tsai	It slips off my tongue, Chair.
04:36:37.34	Chair Luxembourg	Chair.
04:36:38.04	Commissioner Tsai	Mm-hmm.
04:36:38.33	Chair Luxembourg	I did it too twice tonight, so I understand fully. Commissioner Feller.
04:36:38.58	Commissioner Tsai	I,
04:36:41.05	Commissioner Tsai	I'm sorry.
04:36:41.06	Christina Fellock	Oh, I know.
04:36:44.64	Christina Fellock	Thank you, Chair Luxenberg.
04:36:47.61	Christina Fellock	Matt, thank you and the team for going back and developing some additional ideas here.
04:36:58.21	Christina Fellock	Um,
04:36:59.21	Christina Fellock	And I think there are a lot of intriguing pieces and parts to different ones here, and I don't
04:37:05.01	Christina Fellock	I don't want to get into the eeny, meeny, miny, moe, you have to choose one because I think maybe what
04:37:11.78	Christina Fellock	It might not be any single one of these. It could be a combination.
04:37:15.71	Christina Fellock	Um,
04:37:16.87	Christina Fellock	The.
04:37:17.74	Christina Fellock	the original feedback that we gave you
04:37:21.80	Christina Fellock	um
04:37:23.98	Christina Fellock	You know, I'm not sure that that was really
04:37:27.24	Christina Fellock	fully taken to heart, because I actually still think
04:37:31.54	Christina Fellock	There's a lot of mass here.
04:37:34.90	Christina Fellock	There are a couple of principled things that I would want to see or have explained a little bit better.
04:37:43.00	Christina Fellock	The first is if I'm
04:37:45.36	Christina Fellock	if I'm an artist,
04:37:47.84	Christina Fellock	And I'm coming to my studio here. Where do I enter? I'm assuming it's through like the parking lot area up those stairs.
04:37:55.65	Christina Fellock	But if I'm a visitor and I'm coming to an open studio here,
04:38:00.06	Christina Fellock	Where's the front door? It's very unclear
04:38:03.40	Christina Fellock	And of course, you've got this interesting sort of challenging site in some ways. In some ways, it's actually a really cool site.
04:38:11.28	Christina Fellock	But that's very, very long.
04:38:13.91	Christina Fellock	But I think basic things like that just to, you know, how approachable is
04:38:19.11	Christina Fellock	is this building or any building and that that's always a really important consideration particularly
04:38:25.34	Christina Fellock	I will say, and this is my own opinion,
04:38:28.41	Christina Fellock	in the Marin ship where
04:38:30.43	Christina Fellock	you know, you,
04:38:31.36	Christina Fellock	unless you really know where you're going or where somebody is, it's not what I'd call a pedestrian friendly.
04:38:38.43	Christina Fellock	area yet or parts of it are but parts of it aren't.
04:38:42.65	Christina Fellock	you're creating a very pedestrian friendly area. And I applaud that.
04:38:46.51	Christina Fellock	But it's a little unclear how to navigate where to go, I think, based on renderings here.
04:38:54.04	Christina Fellock	I like the idea of option C
04:38:57.62	Christina Fellock	from the standpoint of the windows. I'm not a huge, I'm not really in favor of this marshabiah over the windows.
04:39:10.76	Christina Fellock	it makes the building look
04:39:15.29	Christina Fellock	far too massive.
04:39:17.43	Christina Fellock	far too top heavy.
04:39:19.22	Christina Fellock	And I know that this sounds like a small little nitpicky thing, but it actually really isn't.
04:39:24.40	Christina Fellock	You know, birds tend to nest in those types of metal, there should be a coverings.
04:39:32.74	Christina Fellock	And you're right on the water. We have nothing but birds.
04:39:36.60	Christina Fellock	So you need to think about that. And I know that sounds like a small
04:39:41.97	Christina Fellock	little
04:39:43.08	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
04:39:43.31	Christina Fellock	thing, but you will end up having a gigantic bird's nest in this thing if you're not careful.
04:39:49.00	Christina Fellock	So I'd like to understand
04:39:50.88	Christina Fellock	A little more about that.
04:39:52.65	Christina Fellock	I'm
04:39:53.73	Christina Fellock	In option D, you have a really interesting large...
04:39:58.45	Christina Fellock	studio at the corner by the driveway onto this property.
04:40:05.34	Christina Fellock	Um,
04:40:06.30	Christina Fellock	which I think could be a really, really exciting space.
04:40:09.78	Christina Fellock	But the one thing about artists that we have to design for them for
04:40:16.04	Christina Fellock	is they have a lot of materials.
04:40:18.96	Christina Fellock	And it's messy usually. And it's everywhere.
04:40:24.66	Christina Fellock	What is that first impression of that main corner entry off that intersection if that's going to be
04:40:32.81	Christina Fellock	you know, a gigantic glass house.
04:40:32.98	Ms. Hensley	No.
04:40:33.08	Mr. Dixon	What?
04:40:36.51	Christina Fellock	And do artists want, you know,
04:40:41.80	Christina Fellock	want a little bit more privacy so they can work on something until they perfect it
04:40:47.56	Christina Fellock	and have a large unveiling. I don't know. I am not an artist.
04:40:52.06	Christina Fellock	But I know artists and some like that, some don't. So I, you know, who knows?
04:40:59.00	Christina Fellock	But, um,
04:41:01.08	Christina Fellock	Overall, I
04:41:02.41	Christina Fellock	I see where you're developing different ideas but on the same concept and I think what we had asked for are different types of concepts. And I think that, again, you've got some really interesting things here, but I'm not sure we're quite there yet.
04:41:23.45	Christina Fellock	I'll let my other commissioner colleagues talk a little more too.
04:41:30.32	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Feller. All right.
04:41:34.81	Chair Luxembourg	I'll start with the good things. The good things, I think the pedestrian access, if that building goes away is a good thing.
04:41:42.15	Chair Luxembourg	I think the first floor, the wood on the first floor is a good thing.
04:41:46.42	Chair Luxembourg	I agree with, I mean, the other commissioners are dancing around with it. I'll be more blunt.
04:41:51.55	Chair Luxembourg	We expected other options, not variations of the same option. These are all options of the same basic concept. Contrary to, you indicated that this ties in with the scale of the neighborhood. It does not tie in with the scale of the neighborhood. It is extremely massive. And so I think option C and D are improvements in the correct direction. I definitely think you should get the metal off the windows so you can see windows. I think the boxes are just way too big. This is a wonderful concept. This whole artist idea is a wonderful concept. And I understand you need these high ceilings. And so you need this height to in order to accomplish the use. But taking the height and putting corrugated metal around it makes it extremely bulky and massive. I mean, everybody's dancing around that. But that's where my head is at right now. And I think if you break up that mass, you can still have your height and it just won't look as high as it does. I think if you break up that mass, you can still have your height and it just won't look as high as it does. I think the option C windows help. The front part in option D helps. But I mean, the corrugated is used in the other buildings, but it's not this high and it doesn't cover the windows. So you had a couple examples of corrugated on Gate 5 Road, but they don't jump out at you as this huge box on top. I think the pedestrian level works pretty well.
04:43:30.60	Chair Luxembourg	Um,
04:43:31.79	Chair Luxembourg	I THINK THAT
04:43:35.30	Chair Luxembourg	You know, the
04:43:36.76	Chair Luxembourg	I mean, I just, I think some use of other materials or something to break up this huge amount of corrugated
04:43:46.62	Chair Luxembourg	And again, I can't stress enough
04:43:49.22	Chair Luxembourg	I love the idea of these artist studios, and I think the architecture, I hate to be blunt, is getting in the way of what the use needs to be. So I think it's more about the artist studios and less about, you know, the architecture. And you need to give the you need to give better light inside by, you know, not covering up the windows and stuff. So anyway, I think I agree with the other, I agree with the commissioner Sada on the,
04:44:19.76	Chair Luxembourg	The pedestrian through I agree with,
04:44:24.12	Chair Luxembourg	Commissioner, a graph on the front part of option D. I agree with, I think it's Commissioner Feller on taking the corrugated off the windows in option C. Anyways, the question is next steps. I mean, we had hoped you were going to come up with, you know, what we expected here was sketches, not hard lined whatever. We expected different options with different materials, not the same materials just sort of moving. WE EXPECTED HERE WAS SKETCHES, NOT HARD LINED, WHATEVER. WE EXPECTED DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH DIFFERENT MATERIALS, NOT THE SAME MATERIALS, JUST SORT OF MOVING IT ALL AROUND. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, BUT WE NEED TO GET THE SCALE OF THIS THING DOWN, EVEN IF WE KEEP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THE SAME WAY IT IS. LET ME GO BACK TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, COMMISSIONER GRAFF, COMMISSIONER FELLER, COMMISSIONER SAID.
04:45:14.76	Christina Fellock	Not that, I mean, I already mentioned the piece about HPC knowing full well that's on Clipper property, but I mean, I think it's a really...
04:45:23.24	Christina Fellock	What you described, Matt, with that view corridor, I think is really fascinating. And I think
04:45:31.09	Christina Fellock	like to know more about it and see what you're seeing through that. I think that's great.
04:45:38.26	Christina Fellock	You know, I would also want to ask if you fully understand sort of the direction and comments that you're hearing from the four of us tonight, and if you have questions about it.
04:45:56.22	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
04:45:57.20	Matt	Yeah, first of all, I really appreciate all the feedback. I know it's super late and we're throwing 50 slides at you and four different options.
04:46:05.80	Matt	And I think it's all really valid feedback.
04:46:08.64	Matt	I think we
04:46:10.90	Matt	We understand
04:46:12.76	Matt	The points then
04:46:14.19	Matt	I think
04:46:14.92	Matt	You know, we're trying to
04:46:16.92	Matt	play with the volume and push and pull to reduce that mass while still providing
04:46:22.09	Matt	you know, the building and the spaces that our client is asking for and trying to balance that. But I think that your comments are on point and I would hope that the next steps would really be that we can take the comments, take the pieces that were successful here from the different schemes, create, you know, a hybrid of all those pieces and move towards an actual planning hearing
04:46:47.69	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
04:46:49.88	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah, I think if I want to be careful that we, you know, Campbell is a resource designed by committee. So I want to be careful that you don't do that. But I would encourage you, you know, to explore some other materials that break up the mass. Because, you know, this is basically the kind of the original plan hasn't really changed in materials. Materials are the same. So I'm not sure that these, I'm not sure that the corrugated metal doesn't make the mass bigger. And so if you want to, you know, again, the artist studios, the size of the walls, all that I I think, is needed by your use and can work. But you're breaking it up a little bit in D and C. But again, the driving force that makes this so bulky is that corrugated metal. And I'm not saying it's not an appropriate use for Gate 5 Road, it is. But the way you're using it makes the mass worse, not better, if I can describe it that way.
04:48:05.06	Commissioner Graff	Could we look at the slide that looks at the building from the south end of Gate 5 Road again?
04:48:14.78	Commissioner Graff	Can we pull that slide up?
04:48:20.60	Unknown	Yeah.
04:48:20.97	Bryn	Yeah.
04:48:21.02	Matt	Let me reshare here. And unfortunately, I don't have it set up the way Sicily did with all four options.
04:48:28.69	Matt	But I could flip through options. This is option D, so that's that.
04:48:31.57	Commissioner Graff	You suggest that? That's the one that I wanted to look at.
04:48:35.15	Matt	Amen.
04:48:35.27	Commissioner Graff	Um,
04:48:35.30	Matt	Yeah.
04:48:35.40	Matt	Bye.
04:48:36.13	Commissioner Graff	me.
04:48:38.00	Commissioner Graff	Yeah, because that's kind of like one of the main views you get as you approach the building and
04:48:45.00	Commissioner Graff	I'm noticing that you've got a stripe on the end. Is that the perforated material? Is that what the idea there is?
04:48:54.96	Commissioner Graff	Thank you.
04:48:54.98	Matt	That is, yes.
04:48:54.99	Commissioner Graff	Bye.
04:48:55.04	Commissioner Graff	That is, yes.
04:48:56.16	Commissioner Graff	Uh-huh.
04:48:58.03	Commissioner Graff	but that doesn't appear anywhere else except maybe in the corner
04:49:03.28	Commissioner Graff	Um,
04:49:04.19	Commissioner Graff	I'm just thinking that
04:49:06.79	Commissioner Graff	Um,
04:49:08.58	Commissioner Graff	that's a kind of clever way to, uh,
04:49:12.56	Commissioner Graff	to mitigate the mass
04:49:15.83	Commissioner Graff	without
04:49:17.91	Commissioner Graff	taking it without destroying it.
04:49:20.91	Commissioner Graff	but with just giving it some relief.
04:49:23.97	Commissioner Graff	So anyway, so in this perspective here,
04:49:30.03	Commissioner Graff	um what I guess I one of the things I'm reacting to is is that overhang if that were a little shorter
04:49:37.79	Commissioner Graff	without
04:49:38.72	Commissioner Graff	you know, maybe you'd have to squish something around inside
04:49:43.26	Commissioner Graff	to take a little bit away there. Maybe that's
04:49:46.46	Commissioner Graff	PICKING NETS, BUT,
04:49:49.60	Commissioner Graff	But I think the view from this viewpoint is, you know, really moving in the right way because it doesn't appear all as one giant mass. So I think, I think.
04:50:05.92	Commissioner Graff	Thank you.
04:50:05.97	Commissioner Graff	Thank you.
04:50:06.17	Commissioner Graff	whatever you could do to
04:50:09.46	Commissioner Graff	to lighten the load on that upper form.
04:50:14.12	Commissioner Graff	quite understood
04:50:15.60	Commissioner Graff	why you had to
04:50:17.54	Commissioner Graff	clad that hall.
04:50:19.69	Commissioner Graff	upper level and put a curtain around it.
04:50:24.82	Commissioner Graff	And I was just sort of wondering what would happen if that went away.
04:50:34.24	Commissioner Graff	just had your walls and your windows and your roof
04:50:38.56	Commissioner Graff	Is.
04:50:39.10	Commissioner Graff	Okay.
04:50:40.92	Commissioner Graff	or I'm not sure anymore if this is a wall or if it's a facade.
04:50:46.45	Commissioner Graff	and
04:50:47.26	Commissioner Graff	And
04:50:49.34	Commissioner Graff	Anyway, I'm just kind of winging it here.
04:50:53.30	Commissioner Graff	But...
04:50:54.53	Commissioner Graff	Um,
04:50:56.10	Commissioner Graff	Anyway.
04:50:57.29	Chair Luxembourg	Go back a slide you just showed a second ago when you were getting to this one, and it had the other side and had a big window. Yeah, so you see the big window, you know, how that's all, you know, that really breaks up that corrugated, the window that's in the top, in the middle, on the top of the middle picture. And yeah, that one. And if you go back to the slide that we were just at, if. on the top of the middle picture. And yeah, that one. And if you go back to the slide that we were just at, if you could do that a little bit on this end, instead of that corrugated, if you did, you open this window up, then the corrugated isn't gonna seem as heavy.
04:51:37.77	Chair Luxembourg	And then if you can do it on the other, you know, both on the end, but also in the middle, if there are windows down there a little bit,
04:51:47.13	Chair Luxembourg	And that'll tie in with this 16 foot area windows.
04:51:51.19	Chair Luxembourg	And then the top part looks like it's just on top of the other part and it's like crushing it.
04:51:58.02	Chair Luxembourg	And it just seems too massive.
04:52:01.26	Chair Luxembourg	If you could break it up and tie the two floors together, I think the ground floor looks pretty good.
04:52:06.90	Christina Fellock	Well, I think that the top rendering here, I mean, one of the things I think we struggled with before, and I think we are all
04:52:14.29	Christina Fellock	in different ways struggling with here.
04:52:16.99	Christina Fellock	Is it this top floor and the lighter
04:52:20.60	Christina Fellock	color in your rendering, it's so monolithic.
04:52:24.67	Christina Fellock	And it looks so solid.
04:52:29.17	Christina Fellock	And so it's heavy, it's brutalistic, it's, you know, it is not...
04:52:36.97	Christina Fellock	I'm sorry.
04:52:37.30	Christina Fellock	I don't know if it's the rendering or, or, or if it's accurate with what you're trying to convey, but I think that's the problem. So I think what,
04:52:45.49	Christina Fellock	what Chair Luxenberg is talking about is actually the VARTA landing side
04:52:50.04	Christina Fellock	is more pleasing to the eye
04:52:52.27	Christina Fellock	than your gate five frontage.
04:52:56.56	Christina Fellock	And I'm assuming that in any of these options, there's no impact or effect on parking and parking count.
04:53:04.56	Christina Fellock	like the different overhangs or jutting out does not affect the parking?
04:53:09.42	Matt	That's correct. The parking is the same in each theme.
04:53:13.65	Christina Fellock	Okay.
04:53:14.51	Christina Fellock	But I mean, even if you go up to your aerial photos or the aerial renderings, I mean, look at the bottom one. It is so monolithic.
04:53:24.67	Christina Fellock	And it's so top heavy compared to the base of it.
04:53:29.92	Christina Fellock	And I know that we're not all flying up in the air, you know, looking at it like this, but it's a useful perspective.
04:53:38.12	Christina Fellock	to demonstrate what we also see from your ground view. It's incredibly monolithic.
04:53:46.90	Commissioner Graff	Um, um,
04:53:49.31	Commissioner Graff	COMMISSIONER FELLER'S COMMENT I THINK IS WELL TAKEN. LOOKING AT THIS KIND OF BIRDS EYE
04:53:58.08	Commissioner Graff	where the pass-through is, where
04:54:04.90	Commissioner Graff	It almost looks like a separation of those two volumes in between, you know, like that darkened area
04:54:15.69	Commissioner Graff	I'm not quite sure.
04:54:17.73	Commissioner Graff	what yeah that I'm not quite sure what that means
04:54:21.51	Commissioner Graff	uh it it suggests a separation of those two volumes which
04:54:27.21	Commissioner Graff	probably is a good thing.
04:54:29.27	Commissioner Graff	So I'm a little unclear about how that works.
04:54:33.08	Commissioner Graff	But
04:54:34.94	Commissioner Graff	Uh,
04:54:35.95	Commissioner Graff	if that's a true space between
04:54:40.26	Commissioner Graff	those volumes or if there's a
04:54:43.31	Commissioner Graff	niche or something there that really offsets, then you, yeah.
04:54:49.47	Commissioner Graff	Right.
04:54:51.51	Commissioner Graff	then that would do a lot to mitigate that volume. And also I think, you know, maybe some kind of nice, you know, clever
04:54:51.60	Mr. Dixon	And now we're going to...
04:55:01.21	Commissioner Graff	a horizontal row of
04:55:03.69	Commissioner Graff	windows along the sides there, which would
04:55:07.05	Commissioner Graff	be welcome in the studios, I would think.
04:55:10.53	Commissioner Graff	Mike.
04:55:11.61	Commissioner Graff	really helped break that
04:55:13.82	Commissioner Graff	Oh,
04:55:14.24	Commissioner Graff	And also
04:55:16.92	Commissioner Graff	give it some rhythm or something.
04:55:21.21	Commissioner Graff	So I think there's a way to interject
04:55:23.89	Commissioner Graff	windows along the surfaces there that would
04:55:29.46	Commissioner Graff	go a long way to
04:55:31.59	Commissioner Graff	sort of lighten them up.
04:55:35.71	Commissioner Graff	corrugated
04:55:39.03	Commissioner Graff	Well, you know,
04:55:42.22	Commissioner Graff	What's an option? I don't see, I think that's a pretty good option actually. But I'm interested, I'm intrigued by the
04:55:53.61	Commissioner Graff	the perforated
04:55:55.97	Commissioner Graff	material.
04:55:57.12	Commissioner Graff	as well. It's kind of an interesting, it gives another richness to the surface. So it's, I don't see any of that happening here except maybe at the end.
04:56:11.45	Commissioner Graff	Anyway, I think there are some opportunities to fuss with this and
04:56:11.57	Mr. Dixon	Anyway.
04:56:20.44	Commissioner Graff	you know, take the onus off of the weight of that upper level. It's still
04:56:27.12	Commissioner Graff	Still kind of heavy, but
04:56:30.72	Commissioner Graff	But I get it.
04:56:35.33	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner Grant. Commissioner Feller's comment about
04:56:41.72	Chair Luxembourg	the view from Varta Landing is much more pleasing and not as heavy. So, you know, so that is interesting. And then I don't know exactly what's happening between those two
04:56:57.10	Chair Luxembourg	masses, but if you need a connection rather than metal or whatever,
04:57:02.21	Chair Luxembourg	put glass in, like it'd be a glass connection between the two boxes or whatever. So you could see through to the, you can see right through the water. If you're in a building or you're up on the hill or somewhat, you look through the buildings between them or something rather than having anything blocking that view. Because I think there, I'm assuming there's a connection on the second floor.
04:57:25.70	Chair Luxembourg	between there. So you have to have something, but, but it could be glass, it could be open or whatever. It doesn't have to be metal. So.
04:57:33.93	Chair Luxembourg	anyways uh are there any final comments uh we've gotten the hours getting late and we still have another agenda but uh commissioner sade
04:57:42.17	Commissioner Tsai	I just wanted to not to throw everything on its head, but just looking at this bottom picture here below,
04:57:50.44	Commissioner Tsai	Do you see how the surrounding properties have some angling to their
04:57:56.24	Commissioner Tsai	roof,
04:57:57.54	Commissioner Tsai	So I'm just wondering, and it's not anything to answer now, but if you'd be open to considering
04:58:04.22	Commissioner Tsai	some slight angles. And I feel like that might also help
04:58:10.10	Commissioner Tsai	make it less,
04:58:12.02	Commissioner Tsai	massive
04:58:13.74	Commissioner Tsai	in its
04:58:15.36	Commissioner Tsai	at its face.
04:58:16.53	Commissioner Tsai	It looks like a big...
04:58:20.61	Commissioner Tsai	block. I mean, to me, with the corrugated metal especially,
04:58:25.20	Commissioner Tsai	It looks like almost like a shipping container, which I also I find almost interesting just given its proximity and
04:58:31.71	Commissioner Tsai	you know, what the intent is,
04:58:33.67	Commissioner Tsai	Um,
04:58:34.68	Commissioner Tsai	but if you'd be open to potentially
04:58:37.75	Commissioner Tsai	softening some of those corners. I feel like that might just,
04:58:42.24	Commissioner Tsai	aesthetically,
04:58:43.83	Commissioner Tsai	bring it in line with its surroundings as well as just breaking up that that more
04:58:50.71	Commissioner Tsai	Top heavy box feelings.
04:58:52.81	Commissioner Tsai	would be
04:58:53.55	Commissioner Tsai	just an opinion.
04:58:57.04	Commissioner Tsai	That would be my final comment.
04:59:00.28	Christina Fellock	Yeah.
04:59:00.99	Christina Fellock	I just want to
04:59:03.03	Christina Fellock	You know, we we I think chair Luxembourg said it once tonight. I know we've said it in other in another hearing, but
04:59:10.12	Christina Fellock	the whole
04:59:11.84	Christina Fellock	idea behind this development being an artist village and co-op is incredible and I can't wait to see it built.
04:59:22.03	Christina Fellock	Bravo in terms of the whole
04:59:25.02	Christina Fellock	idea behind this development.
04:59:27.33	Christina Fellock	But.
04:59:28.14	Christina Fellock	The fact that you that
04:59:30.34	Christina Fellock	that the
04:59:31.31	Christina Fellock	The idea is to develop or build
04:59:34.15	Christina Fellock	Um,
04:59:36.21	Christina Fellock	you know, an artist village,
04:59:37.91	Christina Fellock	Let it feel like a village. That's why I think we're so, our eye is probably drawn more to the top image than the bottom image.
04:59:46.15	Christina Fellock	is that
04:59:47.47	Christina Fellock	the top image is
04:59:49.96	Christina Fellock	more
04:59:51.29	Christina Fellock	digestible. It has intricacies. It's not monolithic or it doesn't look like
04:59:59.97	Christina Fellock	just a gigantic warehouse or shipping container as Commissioner Saad's reference.
05:00:05.91	Christina Fellock	I don't want to keep saying the same thing over and over again, but I'm saying it in different ways to make sure
05:00:11.93	Christina Fellock	that Matt, you and your team
05:00:15.73	Christina Fellock	Um,
05:00:17.22	Christina Fellock	appreciate or understand the context of our comments or
05:00:21.60	Christina Fellock	what we're really trying to get at and we don't want to get
05:00:25.81	Christina Fellock	into designing anything from the dais ever. You're the professional here to do that.
05:00:30.99	Christina Fellock	But
05:00:32.28	Christina Fellock	Do you have any questions back to any of us?
05:00:39.88	Commissioner Saad	Thank you.
05:00:39.91	Matt	All right.
05:00:39.95	Christina Fellock	Um.
05:00:39.96	Matt	Um...
05:00:40.55	Bryn	Thank you.
05:00:41.62	Bryn	Thank you.
05:00:41.63	Matt	Given given the time of the night and time that we spent on this not not necessarily I think I think your comments are clear and. I think I really appreciated this study session where it's a little more informal and you're able to point to individual items that were successful or areas where we can improve, so I think. That feedbacks been clear and pretty helpful.
05:01:05.53	Takashi	Commissioners, this is Takashi, I have not said anything
05:01:08.95	Takashi	And I know it is late, but I would like to
05:01:11.81	Takashi	just add a couple comments.
05:01:15.15	Takashi	Commissioner Feller, I really do appreciate your several questions and comments.
05:01:20.58	Takashi	Um,
05:01:21.69	Takashi	Because I think part of maybe...
05:01:25.36	Takashi	um,
05:01:26.71	Takashi	The hurdle for the design team actually is a matter of
05:01:30.71	Takashi	Um,
05:01:31.77	Takashi	presentation. I think there are certain reasons why
05:01:35.40	Takashi	We've designed things.
05:01:37.54	Takashi	And some of those things are not maybe the aesthetic
05:01:41.54	Takashi	choices that some of you commissioners would make, but for instance,
05:01:46.08	Takashi	the monolithic quality
05:01:48.88	Takashi	I wouldn't say heaviness, but the tall spaces being on top,
05:01:53.79	Takashi	is in response to this idea of this artist village and trying to create these studios that
05:01:59.17	Takashi	are maximizing
05:02:00.81	Takashi	walls for creating art. If you go to, for example, Minnesota Street Projects,
05:02:06.48	Takashi	in the dog patch.
05:02:08.35	Takashi	Those are largely windowless spaces.
05:02:11.12	Takashi	for the display of art that are top lit, and they're extremely effective. And I too am not an artist, but I have many artist friends
05:02:19.49	Takashi	And those oftentimes, not always,
05:02:22.33	Takashi	are the kinds of spaces that they want
05:02:25.23	Takashi	We have, however,
05:02:26.93	Takashi	And this is in response to the beautiful view that we also have in Marinship, provided some art spaces, as you point out, on the backsides.
05:02:36.38	Takashi	So,
05:02:37.23	Takashi	That is a, we're creating a variety of spaces, but we're also creating spaces that take advantage of the view. They're doing double duty. And so windows on,
05:02:46.73	Takashi	the street side, the front side would be less effective in that regard. So we were trying to create a variety of art spaces.
05:02:55.15	Takashi	And we were trying to make the upper volumes, we're trying to maximize, say the upper volume,
05:03:00.90	Takashi	That is partially in response to sea level rise.
05:03:04.67	Takashi	So as Matt pointed out, the ceiling heights on the ground level
05:03:08.19	Takashi	are more than adequate today.
05:03:11.13	Takashi	And eventually they will be lower and we're still,
05:03:14.72	Takashi	you know, accomplishing worst case scenario 86,
05:03:18.01	Takashi	those are perfectly habitable spaces.
05:03:21.03	Takashi	But what we're trying to do is
05:03:23.21	Takashi	Um,
05:03:23.77	Takashi	accommodate higher ceilings on the upper floors that would not be
05:03:28.36	Takashi	impacted by sea over ice.
05:03:31.55	Takashi	And, you know, I think part of the massiveness or the monolithic quality that was
05:03:37.22	Takashi	You know, that was intentional, frankly, that we were
05:03:40.86	Takashi	it was sort of a nod and not a literal nod, but sort of a conceptual nod to both the scale of some of the industrial buildings in the area,
05:03:50.18	Takashi	the shipbuilding history of the Marine ship,
05:03:53.01	Takashi	the boathouse history of the friendship, not to say that that floating volume was
05:03:58.50	Takashi	a direct sort of
05:04:00.61	Takashi	imitation or literal sort of mimicry of any of those.
05:04:04.76	Takashi	but they were sort of,
05:04:06.09	Takashi	It was a singular
05:04:08.30	Takashi	more monolithic,
05:04:10.19	Takashi	Um,
05:04:11.22	Takashi	move that was
05:04:13.04	Takashi	sort of a conceptual nod to that history.
05:04:16.52	Takashi	And that's also the reason why we chose to corrugate it.
05:04:19.98	Takashi	in my mind.
05:04:22.34	Takashi	Um,
05:04:23.30	Takashi	It's not, I can understand the brutalist comment in terms of,
05:04:28.10	Takashi	like the sheer sort of singular move
05:04:31.17	Takashi	but it was not meant at all to be a heavy material.
05:04:35.27	Takashi	and perhaps it
05:04:36.85	Takashi	Perhaps we're wrong, perhaps it is the quality of the renderings
05:04:40.60	Takashi	Um,
05:04:41.53	Takashi	But I just wanted to add some of those things.
05:04:45.09	Takashi	And I think the option D, which I think it does in, in,
05:04:50.35	Takashi	a lot of ways successfully sort of
05:04:52.88	Takashi	navigate this balance that we had
05:04:55.91	Takashi	for this desire of a more singular move on the top floor with this desire to create a little bit more interest, create a little bit more nuance,
05:05:06.89	Takashi	create a little bit more
05:05:08.70	Takashi	subtlety in response to the scale of some of the other buildings in the friendship. And,
05:05:14.89	Takashi	what we actually like about it, and there was a comment about whether
05:05:19.31	Takashi	It's great to have an artist space in a glass box. I think it could be. It's not for every artist, but it could be a great selling point for the Marinship to show that there's great art being created.
05:05:30.08	Takashi	made in this facility. So I was going to say one of the
05:05:33.50	Takashi	you know, um,
05:05:34.87	Takashi	silver linings of coming up with this game was like discovering that, oh, we could have a great space.
05:05:40.30	Takashi	on the ground space as a beacon
05:05:42.29	Takashi	with a tall ceiling.
05:05:44.07	Takashi	and create another sort of variation on the,
05:05:47.44	Takashi	variety of art spaces that we're creating.
05:05:50.77	Takashi	And the last...
05:05:52.03	Takashi	I was sort of compelled not to speak,
05:05:55.53	Takashi	the reason why I was really compelled to speak
05:05:57.85	Takashi	Commissioner Fowler, what's your last comment about
05:06:00.55	Takashi	the village-like
05:06:02.56	Takashi	community like aspect of the interior of the project.
05:06:06.17	Takashi	And that,
05:06:07.07	Takashi	I really appreciated that comment because that is exactly what we're going for.
05:06:11.32	Takashi	So we wanted to create something on this side that was in response to the history
05:06:16.10	Takashi	It was a bold move, a strong move. I think it is better now that it is broken down. But we actually like that it is fairly monolithic and fairly blank.
05:06:24.90	Takashi	And it's a little bit of a mystery, but once you enter the compound,
05:06:29.39	Takashi	that you discover that there is this vibrant
05:06:32.33	Takashi	active village that is not
05:06:35.30	Takashi	that is that is in
05:06:36.97	Takashi	direct contrast, say,
05:06:38.79	Takashi	to that more blank facade that is happening on the street side.
05:06:43.69	Takashi	So I don't know if any of those ideas resonate or any of those reasons.
05:06:47.87	Takashi	make some of our decisions make more sense. I hope they do.
05:06:52.53	Takashi	But we also very much appreciate all these comments that you all have made this evening.
05:06:57.91	Takashi	We'll take them all into consideration.
05:07:00.61	Takashi	And hopefully we'll arrive at something that everyone one day will be proud of.
05:07:05.37	Takashi	to have in this community.
05:07:07.72	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Takashi. I don't think it's the renderings. I think the monolithic choice you made is something we're objecting to. So I strongly encourage you that option D needs further refinement and breakup. I think that
05:07:25.77	Chair Luxembourg	on the um if we're not saying you need windows we're saying if you need wind if you have windows you shouldn't cover them up and make it more monolithic if you don't have windows then you can break up the corrugated with another material or a different color of corrugated or something but i think that your concept of this monolithic thing is what pretty much uh eight months ago or whatever it was, we objected to it then, we're objecting to it now, and we're looking for you to come up with some other options that aren't as monolithic. So, you know, I think you've heard us tonight, so hopefully you're coming back and you're not just going to repackage option D and think it's okay, because it's not.
05:08:10.66	Christina Fellock	I do appreciate very, very much, Takashi, your comments back. And thank you for them. Thank you very much for them.
05:08:19.44	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
05:08:19.49	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:08:20.01	Takashi	Yeah.
05:08:20.04	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:08:20.70	Chair Luxembourg	With that, any commissioners have any additional comments before we move on to another item? Does Max want to say something or does...
05:08:36.31	Chair Luxembourg	Thanks.
05:08:37.73	Unknown	I,
05:08:37.98	Max Hausseger	Thank you.
05:08:38.37	Unknown	Thank you.
05:08:38.40	Max Hausseger	Yeah.
05:08:38.76	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:08:38.88	Max Hausseger	Um,
05:08:40.24	Max Hausseger	I don't know. I think
05:08:41.42	Max Hausseger	The residential side at Varta Landing is...
05:08:44.78	Max Hausseger	really pleasing to the eye right now.
05:08:47.30	Max Hausseger	Everyone lives in the Marin Ship doesn't want food traffic. They don't want tourists. They don't want retail. They like light industrial things. That's why they live there, but they live
05:08:55.43	Max Hausseger	on the eye pleasing side of it and our building has done an
05:08:59.50	Max Hausseger	Um,
05:09:00.73	Max Hausseger	keep giving artists the privacy that they need. You know, and we have people that are successful artists that have following.
05:09:09.72	Max Hausseger	They don't want to tell people where their studios are. They don't want studios in an artist village that a bunch of people are going to
05:09:12.10	Mr. Dixon	They don't want studios.
05:09:15.53	Max Hausseger	even if it's gated or something, they're going to try to walk up into
05:09:21.22	Max Hausseger	And
05:09:23.36	Max Hausseger	Yeah, I think...
05:09:24.40	Max Hausseger	I think the renders do, because you see the building all at once, do make the second floor feel more massive and more heavy. But that material actually does reflect what it's reflective. So
05:09:37.62	Max Hausseger	light conditions are.
05:09:39.62	Max Hausseger	the color of the sky that day. It's we actually chose the lightest material we could think of without doing something like
05:09:47.61	Max Hausseger	all glass or
05:09:49.50	Max Hausseger	uh,
05:09:50.42	Max Hausseger	some more reflective like mirror mirrored material.
05:09:55.27	Max Hausseger	because we're really, really, really conscious of not wanting to design something that looks like an office building, something that looks fancy, something that doesn't look like the Marin chip.
05:10:04.26	Max Hausseger	but still accomplishes all the things that we've been talking about over and over again, like sea level rise,
05:10:09.68	Max Hausseger	making
05:10:11.42	Max Hausseger	taking advantage of the inspiring views,
05:10:15.81	Max Hausseger	And
05:10:17.36	Max Hausseger	Yeah, I guess...
05:10:19.57	Max Hausseger	and
05:10:20.60	Max Hausseger	I'm glad that there are things that you liked about Option D. I also could see why that feels a little bit more like Marin.
05:10:28.70	Max Hausseger	But I also just...
05:10:30.91	Max Hausseger	I don't know, I live behind the building and feel like I know the friendship and
05:10:36.31	Max Hausseger	all the artists that are currently there, all the people that live around me and
05:10:41.10	Max Hausseger	Uh,
05:10:43.01	Max Hausseger	Yeah, there's a lot of different potential opinions on what is. It's light industrial. We designed something light industrial. And that's why you haven't seen the materials change to wood or something like you see in Mill Valley.
05:10:54.11	Max Hausseger	Um,
05:10:55.95	Max Hausseger	or some other fancy material like you see in downtown San Francisco.
05:10:59.51	Max Hausseger	um,
05:11:00.35	Max Hausseger	So,
05:11:01.25	Max Hausseger	Yeah, I guess...
05:11:03.36	Max Hausseger	the words I'd like to leave people with is
05:11:06.92	Max Hausseger	you know, if you design things with overhangs instead of eaves like buildings have in California since mid century.
05:11:13.03	Max Hausseger	and you design things with industrial materials that are sea level rise resistant.
05:11:18.31	Max Hausseger	Like, what is the future of marineship? What is light industrial?
05:11:23.49	Max Hausseger	And what kind of space do artists and innovators and makers want to live in are all questions that we need to be constantly thinking about.
05:11:31.79	Max Hausseger	Um,
05:11:33.09	Max Hausseger	And I, yeah, the more you add windows and glass and,
05:11:37.13	Max Hausseger	office building and expensive materials. Also, the smaller we make the building, the less affordable it's going to be because we'll have less space to rent to artists who are giving really subsidized rates. So we didn't even talk about affordability today. But
05:11:51.96	Max Hausseger	We're trying to make something robust and sizable that
05:11:55.67	Max Hausseger	works with our formula of renting to artists and makers and innovators.
05:11:59.82	Max Hausseger	Um,
05:12:00.58	Max Hausseger	That's all.
05:12:01.34	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:12:01.87	Chair Luxembourg	But the square footage is the same though, right? That's what Matt said, right?
05:12:07.10	Chair Luxembourg	I mean, you didn't reduce the score footage, right?
05:12:11.47	Max Hausseger	We did not reduce the square footage, but I think a lot of the feedback today was reduce, reduce, reduce.
05:12:17.86	Chair Luxembourg	No, I don't think we're saying reduce, reduce, reduce. I think we're saying break up the mass of the second floor with materials. We're not saying take away your square foot.
05:12:28.71	Chair Luxembourg	We're okay with your small footage and we love your concepts.
05:12:30.15	Commissioner Saad	Yeah.
05:12:32.44	Chair Luxembourg	I don't want you to get the wrong idea.
05:12:35.85	Chair Luxembourg	the monolithic thing of the corrugated metal. If it was different colors or something, we're not even saying you have glass. We're saying if you have glass, don't put materials over it, which just costs more money. I mean, we're saying let the glass breathe. But if you don't have glass, then-
05:12:41.44	Mr. Dixon	Thank you.
05:12:41.45	Unknown	Okay.
05:12:41.79	Mr. Dixon	Yeah.
05:12:54.97	Max Hausseger	Even if it.
05:12:55.54	Max Hausseger	Thank you.
05:12:55.97	Max Hausseger	Yeah.
05:12:57.28	Max Hausseger	I mean, just to be fully transparent, I did see options with more glass windows and it
05:13:03.49	Max Hausseger	you know,
05:13:04.59	Max Hausseger	we had an office building. It quickly starts to look more like an office building. And like I said, I live in the marineship
05:13:12.10	Max Hausseger	I have a, I feel like a passion for light. I think light industrial is really, really magical.
05:13:19.46	Max Hausseger	Zoning, which is why we bought the land in the first place.
05:13:24.01	Max Hausseger	So we're just
05:13:26.19	Max Hausseger	maybe we have different perspectives on what light industrial means and looks and feels like, but I understand we can try and make it feel less monolithic and less massive or lighter weight. But yeah, I just wanted to also say that
05:13:42.35	Max Hausseger	Yeah.
05:13:45.38	Max Hausseger	I was just echoing things that Takashi said, but from a
05:13:50.91	Max Hausseger	person who lives there perspective and also yeah just someone who really really lives in and loves the marineship and loves this idea of light industrial and so then thinking of things like
05:14:00.90	Max Hausseger	making it look like Mo Valley or making it look like downtown San Francisco. I'm just like,
05:14:05.29	Max Hausseger	I feel like we've spent five years on this plan.
05:14:07.96	Max Hausseger	during which time our building flooded for the first time.
05:14:10.79	Max Hausseger	even though we've spent a ton of time and blood and sweat and tears to get it to a point where it didn't flood like it used to. And so
05:14:20.38	Max Hausseger	Yeah.
05:14:21.00	Max Hausseger	I'm a little bit at a loss, to be honest, but I'm
05:14:24.02	Max Hausseger	EYRC sounds like they're confident they can
05:14:26.92	Max Hausseger	make more adjustments.
05:14:29.13	Max Hausseger	Yeah, I just,
05:14:30.62	Max Hausseger	I just wanted to put that out there.
05:14:32.44	Chair Luxembourg	I just suggest you had a slide with the heat placed on it and two other buildings. If you were to compare the scale of what you're proposing to that, it's not about light industrial. I think it's the scale. It's the massive scale and the bulk.
05:14:48.71	Chair Luxembourg	of the building, not the square footage, not the height.
05:14:51.15	Max Hausseger	Right. But we are materials.
05:14:54.11	Max Hausseger	We are looking at the future of the Mirren ship, which needs to be higher up. If you took the Heath building, if you took the building next to us and put it at the flood proof levels, it would be the same.
05:15:02.97	Chair Luxembourg	I'm going to say this again. We're not looking to cut your square footage or cut your height. We're looking for you to take the materials and in some way reduce the mass looking of it, not the actual size of it. We think it's too monolithic. Your architect had a concept to make it monolithic.
05:15:25.82	Chair Luxembourg	That's what we're objecting to, not the height, not the size, not the score. But
05:15:30.88	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:15:31.18	Christina Fellock	Chair Luxembourg.
05:15:31.57	Chair Luxembourg	some
05:15:32.19	Chair Luxembourg	OK.
05:15:34.54	Christina Fellock	If I could maybe make a request of Matt and Takashi and Max or maybe Cecilia, you can make a note of this.
05:15:45.59	Christina Fellock	is the material I know you've dropped materials off at City Hall.
05:15:51.47	Christina Fellock	But.
05:15:52.38	Christina Fellock	If you have actual photographs of
05:15:56.11	Christina Fellock	built buildings that use the same sort of screening Marshabilla materials that it's actually built. That might
05:16:05.10	Christina Fellock	help communicate better than the rendering.
05:16:08.39	Christina Fellock	of how
05:16:11.18	Christina Fellock	you know, what the frit is on the perforations.
05:16:15.95	Christina Fellock	I don't it would probably help
05:16:20.26	Christina Fellock	explain how you're using those materials, because how we're looking at them in a rendering, maybe that is part of the problem. But
05:16:29.65	Christina Fellock	I just think it might be useful if you've seen it somewhere else, which is where you're getting the idea or there's some application that
05:16:37.62	Christina Fellock	from the manufacturer that you're looking at
05:16:40.32	Christina Fellock	that we could actually see that, you know, daytime shot, nighttime shot,
05:16:44.93	Christina Fellock	that might be helpful when we all see each other again.
05:16:54.53	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, any final comments before we move on to the next commissioner Graham?
05:17:01.36	Commissioner Graff	Yeah.
05:17:04.08	Commissioner Graff	Everything being said,
05:17:09.28	Commissioner Graff	I'm going to trust the designers. I think they've listened to us.
05:17:14.78	Commissioner Graff	As far as the monolithic,
05:17:17.66	Commissioner Graff	Part of it goes, I think there's a danger of
05:17:22.40	Commissioner Graff	trying to deconstruct it too much.
05:17:25.31	Commissioner Graff	I think there's going to be a fine line
05:17:28.08	Commissioner Graff	to where
05:17:29.27	Commissioner Graff	Um,
05:17:30.37	Commissioner Graff	the form of the building
05:17:33.19	Commissioner Graff	might get lost and then you get a salad.
05:17:37.51	Commissioner Graff	So we don't want that to happen.
05:17:40.11	Commissioner Graff	It's just maybe some finessing somewhere that's going to take the edge off of the
05:17:46.84	Commissioner Graff	the monolithic.
05:17:49.05	Commissioner Graff	I was wondering what
05:17:51.04	Commissioner Graff	What was the finish? I looked at the corrugated material
05:17:57.03	Commissioner Graff	sample and it looked like a paint finish or a powder coat finish or something.
05:18:03.04	Commissioner Graff	What is your
05:18:04.95	Commissioner Graff	Is that the color you're looking at, that kind of putty color?
05:18:09.37	Commissioner Graff	Or what about like galvanized or zinc or something like that,
05:18:16.88	Commissioner Graff	you know, kind of has, we'll get a patina.
05:18:20.98	Commissioner Graff	Just a thought.
05:18:23.29	Commissioner Graff	No more to say.
05:18:25.58	Commissioner Graff	You guys are doing great.
05:18:29.26	Chair Luxembourg	All right, with that, hopefully you've got some guidance. Hopefully, you know, I would suggest you, maybe you bring in a preliminary to the CDD department who knows what we're looking for, has some idea of what we're looking for before you hardline it and all that, so that you're not, we're not sitting here in a public hearing going over this yet again. So why don't you, you know, touch base with CDD before you're,
05:18:59.13	Chair Luxembourg	you know, once you take all these comments in
05:19:02.76	Chair Luxembourg	they'll tell you, hopefully they can tell you you're heading in the right direction.
05:19:07.81	Chair Luxembourg	With that, if we don't further comments, let's move on. I think it's item eight.
05:19:15.52	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you, Commissioner.
05:19:15.64	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you, commissioners.
05:19:17.66	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
05:19:17.81	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the feedback. Thanks, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.
05:19:22.64	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
05:19:22.94	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:19:22.98	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
05:19:23.03	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:19:23.11	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
05:19:23.13	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:19:23.57	Chair Luxembourg	Item A, Brandon, do you have any staff updates at this late hour?
05:19:30.92	Chair Luxenberg	No, I'm going to keep it brief. Council meeting earlier this week, I presented an update on Parkletts. Next step is to follow up with the working group, and that is what I will do. Jeffrey, we've already had an opportunity to connect, and Christina, I think I mentioned that in our discussion earlier today. That'll do it.
05:19:46.58	Chair Luxembourg	and our...
05:19:47.16	Chair Luxembourg	discussion.
05:19:49.76	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you. Sergio, do you have any comments from legal?
05:19:56.17	Christina Fellock	I don't think he's here.
05:19:57.81	Chair Luxembourg	He's not here. Okay. Well, he doesn't have any comments then. We have our various groups. The odds was before the council yesterday. Do you have a director, do you have any update on odds on timeline or whatever? Thank you, Chair. Again, I'll keep it back.
05:20:18.80	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you, Chair. Again, I'll keep it brief. Update on odds is that Bob Brown is working on it, and we are going to bring a revised version of the odds to the Planning Commission. I believe at the earliest sometime in February.
05:20:34.76	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, thank you for that.
05:20:37.87	Christina Fellock	Hold on, there's more.
05:20:37.88	Chair Luxembourg	Hold on.
05:20:40.25	Unknown	Thank you.
05:20:40.26	Chair Luxembourg	Bye.
05:20:41.92	Christina Fellock	The city council has also requested that we develop
05:20:47.28	Christina Fellock	further more detailed odds for SB 9 or single family to include. So that will be a separate parallel
05:20:57.11	Christina Fellock	Effort.
05:20:58.96	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, yeah, that was mentioned earlier in the housing element presentation, I believe.
05:21:05.27	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, so now we're talking about February for odds, California housing legislation. Hopefully they haven't created any new laws given that everybody's trying to finish the housing elements.
05:21:17.31	Chair Luxembourg	Extendary conditions, we're going to do that sometime in March.
05:21:24.07	Chair Luxembourg	Ferry Landside Working Group, is that Commissioner Feller?
05:21:29.10	Christina Fellock	Yeah.
05:21:29.91	Christina Fellock	So we've requested that Director McGowan bring
05:21:34.20	Christina Fellock	the revised plan back to the planning commission
05:21:39.21	Christina Fellock	for planning commission review and approval. We've encouraged him to encourage his team to stay within the scope and not have a lot of scope creep. I think there's been a lot of scope creep
05:21:54.97	Christina Fellock	in what he's been trying to get done. And we gave him some options for circulation that would achieve everything. So at this point, I would just ask perhaps Director Phipps sent him a reminder to to bring that back to the Planning Commission.
05:22:14.22	Chair Luxembourg	old.
05:22:15.07	Chair Luxembourg	Director Fischer.
05:22:15.56	Chair Luxenberg	If I may, just briefly, director McGowan and I are very much in touch on that. Presentation should be pretty much ready to go from the perspective of DPW. So we should bring that to a planning commission agenda in short order. Looking at the calendar, you know, we could come before commissioners as early as the meeting on the 18th.
05:22:42.93	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah, I was going to say, because you were trying to do 70-74 on that one by itself. So yeah, that might be a good meeting. Yeah, I agree with you.
05:22:52.03	Chair Luxenberg	Yeah, I agree with you. A big compliment.
05:22:54.13	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:22:54.15	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
05:22:54.64	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah, that would be great.
05:22:56.56	Chair Luxembourg	He actually, that we already talked to it late tonight. Barclays, we've already talked about. Master Plan Working Group, Commissioner Feller, Commissioner Saad.
05:23:06.17	Christina Fellock	Well, we haven't actually met yet, have we, Commissioner Saad?
05:23:06.44	Chair Luxembourg	We have.
05:23:09.98	Chair Luxembourg	.
05:23:11.53	Commissioner Tsai	We are waiting to meet.
05:23:13.78	Christina Fellock	We're waiting to meet. We, I mean, we've gotten a little bit of obfuscation from the city manager on this, but
05:23:21.42	Christina Fellock	We're going to go ahead and meet and hopefully director Phipps, you can, you can meet with us when we do that. The purpose of,
05:23:28.09	Christina Fellock	of the meeting is to actually scope what a master plan scope would be for professional services and
05:23:35.65	Christina Fellock	and try to get some metrics in place for budgeting for that. So I think once we have our housing plan completed, let's put a date on the calendar for us to meet.
05:23:51.41	Chair Luxembourg	I think it would be good to get a, if we get, if you get a scope, then we can get an estimate and then we can
05:23:57.35	Chair Luxembourg	it would be hell yeah because they're just gonna say well what does this cost so i think the scope is critical so
05:24:05.30	Chair Luxembourg	All right, so that will put that on the agenda for not to put that in general plan for that to be happening probably more February March.
05:24:17.38	Chair Luxembourg	And then we can, when is the commissioner fellow, do you know when the budget,
05:24:23.06	Chair Luxembourg	When do they establish their budgets because I would have to be need funding.
05:24:27.47	Christina Fellock	I think they have a retreat
05:24:29.85	Christina Fellock	next month.
05:24:31.81	Christina Fellock	Yeah, I see Director Phipps shaking his head. They have a retreat and budget is on there.
05:24:38.44	Christina Fellock	I think we would be able to develop a reasonable range
05:24:43.18	Christina Fellock	And I'm sure we can pull some sample scopes of
05:24:47.25	Christina Fellock	you know, what that buys you in essence.
05:24:50.62	Christina Fellock	um,
05:24:51.60	Christina Fellock	I need to double check when that retreat is, but so I can report back at our next meeting.
05:24:57.83	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah, that would be great. And we can, if we have, we can target it so that we have a, we have an estimate with an outline of the scope, it's not the actual scope.
05:25:06.47	Chair Luxembourg	before they start to make budget decisions. But it's probably gonna be a tight year on money,
05:25:10.53	Takashi	on.
05:25:13.32	Chair Luxembourg	we might be able to get this going or at least get it in process or get an RFQ out or something like that. So.
05:25:21.54	Chair Luxenberg	Commissioners, the council retreat is scheduled for February 10th.
05:25:27.19	Christina Fellock	So we have one meeting before then, don't we?
05:25:29.81	Unknown	Mmmmm.
05:25:30.92	Christina Fellock	We don't need a planning commission meeting for
05:25:34.45	Christina Fellock	the working group to put a budget, you know, a budget request together.
05:25:38.82	Christina Fellock	I mean, that should come through staff anyway.
05:25:41.62	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah, we don't need a meeting for that. We just need a...
05:25:45.01	Christina Fellock	Is that right, Director Ferry?
05:25:46.19	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:25:47.53	Chair Luxenberg	I would have to speak with city manager Zapata as to how he would like the mid-year budget and the special council retreat to be coordinated. As far as my ability and willingness to attend a meeting with members of the working group, very much enthusiastic.
05:26:06.97	Christina Fellock	Thank you for that.
05:26:08.89	Chair Luxenberg	you
05:26:08.90	Chair Luxembourg	So it sounds good.
05:26:10.37	Chair Luxembourg	Are there any other items anybody has? And we're finishing before midnight.
05:26:17.58	Christina Fellock	Three minutes.
05:26:17.95	Chair Luxembourg	Which actually...
05:26:19.40	Chair Luxembourg	Hello.
05:26:19.84	Christina Fellock	Thank you.
05:26:19.86	Chair Luxembourg	It's not too bad given what we had to cover tonight. So I did tell Director Fibbs earlier today that he was saying, well, what time will this go to? I said, well, we did have one meeting, went to two in the morning. So hopefully it won't be that. So anyway, thank you all for your efforts, Commissioner Fowler and Commissioner Saad, especially on the housing element. And again, this has been a long night, but I think we got it done as best we can. We'll see all of you again on
05:26:23.47	Chair Luxenberg	Thank you.
05:26:35.58	Mr. Dixon	Thank you.
05:26:35.60	Unknown	Yeah.
05:26:35.90	Commissioner Saad	Thank you.
05:26:35.96	Unknown	Thank you.
05:26:35.97	Mr. Dixon	Yeah.
05:26:51.09	Chair Luxembourg	Monday night, Monday afternoon, actually. It's like 3.30, this meeting's at 3.00.
05:26:55.13	Commissioner Tsai	3 o'clock. 3 o'clock.
05:26:56.81	Chair Luxembourg	3 o'clock now.
05:26:56.83	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
05:26:57.08	Christina Fellock	Bye.
05:26:57.29	Commissioner Tsai	No.
05:26:58.20	Christina Fellock	Okay.
05:26:58.28	Chair Luxembourg	Okay, three o'clock on Monday, so.
05:27:00.27	Christina Fellock	Motion to adjourn.
05:27:01.96	Christina Fellock	Yeah, second.
05:27:01.99	Chair Luxembourg	Yeah.
05:27:03.43	Chair Luxembourg	All in favor.
05:27:04.78	Christina Fellock	Bye.
05:27:05.08	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you all. Have a good rest of you. Bye, guys. Good night. Bye.
05:27:05.69	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
05:27:06.80	Commissioner Tsai	Right.
05:27:06.84	Christina Fellock	Bye, guys. Good night.
05:27:07.97	Commissioner Tsai	Thank you.
05:27:09.55	Chair Luxembourg	Thank you.
05:27:09.76	Chair Luxembourg	Bye.