City Council May 10, 2022

May 10

City Council Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:00:09	None: None	The meeting is called to order. Serge indicates that the meeting will be conducted telephonically through Zoom and broadcast live on the city's website and cable TV channel 27 due to the declared state of emergency. There is some lighthearted banter among the council members about blue light glasses and playing the guitar.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:01:35	I: CALL TO ORDER IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 420 LITHO STREET - 5:30 PM	The meeting is called to order by Mayor Kellman. The roll is called, confirming the presence of all members, thus establishing a quorum (00:01:51). Mayor Kellman announces four items for closed session: D1, involving legal counsel and existing litigation related to Gordon versus Titus, McNair versus Caltrans, Rauda and Glass versus Caltrans, and Ashby and Johnson versus Caltrans (00:01:56-00:02:20); D2, concerning legal counsel and City of Sausalito versus California Affiliated Risk Management Authorities (00:02:18); D3, involving conference with labor negotiators (00:02:24); and D4, regarding legal counsel and real property negotiations concerning the MLK property (00:02:27-00:02:35). Public comment is opened for the closed session items, but no members of the public are present to comment (00:02:36-00:02:46), so public comment is closed and the council moves into closed session (00:02:48). Upon returning from closed session, there are no announcements (00:03:32). A motion is requested to approve the agenda (00:03:44).	Motion to approve the agenda (00:03:48)	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:03:51	II: OPEN SESSION IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 420 LITHO STREET - 7:00 PM	The meeting is called to order by Mayor Kellman, and the roll is called by Serge. Councilmember Sobieski, Councilmember Hoffman, and Vice Mayor Blausdein are all present.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:04:07	1: SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS / MAYOR’S ANNOUNCEMENTS - 7:05 PM	Mayor Kellman announces two special presentations for the evening. The first is from Planning Commission Chair, Christina Feller, and the second is an update from the Seal of the Rise Task Force. Serge is asked to ensure that Chair Feller, Cass Green, and Michelle Orr have co-host access (00:04:11).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:04:31	1.A: Planning Commission (Kristina Feller, Planning Commission Chair, 10 Minutes Presentation) 7:05 PM	Kristina Feller, Planning Commission Chair, presented an update on the Planning Commission's activities and priorities. She highlighted the commission's focus on proactive outreach, collaboration, and expediting sensitive developments (00:06:25). Feller mentioned a special meeting with the Historic Preservation Commission to expedite the Hotel Sausalito project (00:06:46). She noted the commission's involvement in various working groups and committees (00:07:39) and the encouragement of study sessions for applicants (00:08:25). Feller also discussed future initiatives, including coordinating with the Southern Marin Fire District on evacuation routes (00:09:24). Addressing the Community Development Department, she acknowledged past issues with project completeness (00:10:31) and stressed the importance of permanent staff who advocate for the community (00:12:00). She outlined six priority funding requests (00:14:21), including a citywide master plan, updates to the Sausalito Municipal Code (00:15:16), implementation of landslide task force recommendations (00:16:05), a citywide parking and circulation plan study (00:16:37), and enforcement of permits (00:17:05). She concluded by emphasizing the need for a joint session between the City Council and the Planning Commission (00:18:31) and offered to answer questions. The Vice Mayor thanked Chair Feller for her hard work and asked about diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts within the Planning Commission (00:20:16). Mayor Kellman inquired about work on parklets, SB9, and SB35 (00:22:01). Feller detailed the Planning Commission's work on the parklet program (00:22:39) and SB9 (00:26:29).	No Motion	2 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:27:45 Jeff Jacob was In Favor: Jeff Jacob thanked the Mayor and City, and commended Kristina Feller for taking responsibility and wanting local roots to decide, and not give it to consultants (00:28:34). Jacob was shocked at the $850,000 being spent for the housing element to a consultant (00:28:53), and would like to see that phased out. 00:29:09 Arthur Bruce was Neutral: Arthur Bruce cited an Independent Journal article on homelessness (00:29:12), and the city's budget problems stemming from poor pension fund management (00:29:27). Bruce wanted the city to expand explanations of the conditional use permit (00:29:48), and expand on permit to occupies.
00:30:34	1.B: Sea Level Rise Update (Mayor Kellman, 10 Minutes Presentation) 7:15 PM	Mayor Kellman, along with task force members Cass Green and Michelle Orr, presented an update on sea level rise. The presentation included a review of an interactive map created by Cass Green. The update addressed questions from the city, comparing the task force's recommendations to the general plan update, responding to questions about risk and probabilities, sharing survey results, updating the interactive map, and providing a funding overview. The presentation highlighted the increasing frequency of flooding in Sausalito, not just from king tides, but also from high tides (00:31:41). The Sea Level Rise Task Force provided a 20-page report with 17 recommendations in November 2021, and a specific page on the city's website has been created for sea level rise information (00:32:03). The presentation showed that each of the 17 recommendations in the report is supported by a general plan update element (00:32:59). The presentation addressed questions about probability and risk, providing data on expected sea level rise by 2030, 2050, and 2100. The survey results indicated that most people feel Sausalito is not prepared for sea level rise and believe the city needs to start preparing now (00:35:49). Cass Green then presented the interactive map, highlighting various layers such as pipelines, water infrastructure, building footprints, storm drains, and sea level rise scenarios. She explained the different scenarios, including near-term (2030), mid-term, and long-term (2100) projections, with and without 100-year storm events (00:44:33). Councilmember Hoffman asked where the map was hosted on the city's website (00:48:56), and Mayor Kellman said that the city manager is working on getting the ArcGIS passwords to Cass Green to manage the map (00:49:08).	No Motion	2 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:50:35 Jeff Jacob was In Favor: Jeff Jacob spoke about the proximity of Marin Chefs to sea level rise and suggested that boats would be needed. He emphasized the need to reduce carbon output to combat sea level rise. He proposed that council members and the city manager should disclose their carbon output and access to money from the bottom up and not just from the top down. 00:51:57 John DeRay was Neutral: John DeRay asked if the projected flooding includes subsidence and the rising of the water table. He said he understood if the questions could not be answered.
00:52:47	2: ACTION MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING - 7:25 PM	Mayor Kellman opened the floor for comments from council members regarding the action minutes of the previous meeting (00:52:47). Initially, there were no comments from the council, and the Mayor moved to public comment. A member of the public raised their hand (00:53:15), but seemed to have technical difficulties with unmuting and sharing video, so they were skipped and told to try again on a future item (00:53:26). Subsequently, the Mayor requested a motion and a second to approve the minutes (00:54:03) and called the roll for a vote (00:54:10).	Motion to approve the action minutes of the previous meeting. (00:54:03)	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:53:28 Cindy Egging was Unknown: Cindy Egging attempted to provide public comment but had technical difficulties with unmuting and sharing video. (00:53:28)
00:54:34	3: CONSENT CALENDAR - 7:30 PM	Mayor Kellman introduces the consent calendar, noting that it includes routine items expected to have unanimous support. The items are: 3A) CFS off-seater quarterly report, 3B) Library Q3 report, 3C) Fire season outlook and preparations, 3D) Resolution accepting the Gate Six intersection project, and 3E) November 8th election key dates. Councilmember Sobieski requests item 3E be removed from the consent calendar (00:55:42). Councilor Cleveland notes that the council hasn't heard a presentation from Chief Tubbs about the pre-fire season outlook in a while and encourages the council to invite him to speak (00:56:02). The City Manager states that Chief Tubbs was invited several months ago but was unable to attend, and suggests he could potentially join via video in the future (00:56:43).	Councilmember Hoffman motions to approve the consent agenda excluding item 3E (00:58:29). The motion passes unanimously.	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:57:16 Jeff Jacob was Neutral: Jeff states that Councilmember Sobieski wants to take 3E off the consent calendar and he is not sure why. He believes people should have a public voice on whether the initiative is the right way to go, and suggests an initiative on the ballot. He will ask Serge about the deadline and states they only need 10% of the signatures.
00:59:06	4: PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS - There are No Public Hearing Items	This agenda item acknowledges that there are no public hearing items to be discussed.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:59:08	5: BUSINESS ITEMS - 7:40 PM	Mayor Kellman announced the start of the business items, beginning with item 5A, the sixth cycle housing element update, and the consideration of forming a housing element working group. (00:59:12)	Motion passes. (00:59:09)	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:59:27	5.A): 6th Cycle (2023-2031) Housing Element Update and Consideration of Forming a Housing Element Working Group	Heidi Scoble provided an update on the 6th Cycle Housing Element, noting that the state requires updates every eight years. Sausalito must plan for 724 units, a significant increase, with specific allocations for different income levels. The city appealed this requirement but lost. A key challenge is Sausalito's limited vacant land and the state's requirement for confirmed development interest on non-vacant parcels. The presentation covered milestones, including the formation of the Housing Element Advisory Committee (HEAC) and the engagement of DeNovo Planning Group led by Beth Thompson. Delays have occurred due to staff turnover. A recent town hall with 111 participants discussed the housing element overview, housing needs, opportunity sites, and included interactive polling. Public comments from the town hall raised concerns about specific sites and suggested referencing a 'sensible housing Sausalito' document. The presentation also addressed the schedule, noting the city aims to adopt the housing element by January 2023 to avoid rezoning penalties. Scoble introduced the consideration of a working group, similar to one used for the general plan, to keep the housing element on track. The proposed group would include two council members and two planning commissioners, subject to the Brown Act. (01:01:38) There is a need to confirm development interest with property owners to count non-vacant parcels. (01:05:52) With current sites, 199 out of 724 units can be accounted for. The city needs to identify 6-11 acres for multifamily housing.	Councilmember Cleveland-Knowles made a motion to allow the Mayor and herself as liaisons to assist the consultant and staff, but the motion failed with a vote of 1-3 (02:27:30)	6 Total: 2 In Favor 2 Against 2 Neutral
02:08:47 Jeff Jacob was In Favor: Expressed concern about debating low-income housing and emphasizes the need for Sausalito to shift from a NIMBY to a YIMBY mindset. Notes that Sausalito and Marin City housed 50,000 people during wartime and that Sausalito is spending millions on very few people. He advocates for a vacancy tax and implementing a housing plan to address these concerns. 02:10:57 Shane Putnam was Against: Expressed concerns regarding the ethics of some HIAC members and believes that there is an outsized level of influence on the committee. Believes any HIAC member should be allowed to attend the working group to counter any impartiality. 02:13:08 Jeff Putman was Neutral: Made a few points: the working group should reflect the majority of City Council opinion, the town hall should have taken place a week before this meeting, and how it hadn't occurred to him that City Hall could be redeveloped. 02:15:16 Peter Van Meter was Against: Expressed concern that the HIAC working group would slow the entire process down and the work that has been done by the HIAC would be a waste. Also expresses concern that three to one vote from the working group could overturn the vote of 13-15 members on the GPAC. 02:16:56 Joan Cox was In Favor: Expressed two main points: 1) There is a risk to developing if not meeting RENA with inadequate sites in SB 35. Notes SB 35 doesn't allow secret analysis and removes requirements for discretionary entitlements. 2) The proposed working group did not start over. The GPAC working group analyzed many pages and implemented them in a page by page manner. The consultant should invite our HCD point person to Sausalito TO INSPECT. 02:22:44 Greg was Neutral: States the Housing Element Advisory Committee didn't understand the housing on the Marinship question. As such a letter was forwarded by 114 people calling to protect working water fronts in ways not yet understood. Also there's concerns that an individual on the committee is representing themselves as a resident of Sausalito, and is not. As such this should be investigated.
03:00:06	5.B: Receive the report and provide direction to staff on whether to proceed with implementing improvements to 429 ½ Johnson Street, formally Dorothy Gibson’s house, and authorizing budget for improvements to the site in an amount estimated to be $200,0	Director McGowan and Mike Wagner presented a report on the property located at 429 1/2 Johnson Street, bequeathed to the city in 2019 under the Dorothy Gibson Trust for low-income housing for city employees. The structure, dating back to the 1950s, requires significant upgrades, including roof and siding repairs, accessibility improvements, and electrical system updates. Staff recommended hiring an architect to develop biddable plans, estimating the project cost at $200,000, to be allocated from reserve funds. Mike Wagner clarified the restrictive covenant in the deed, mandating the property's use for moderate to low-income housing for city employees (03:05:56). Councilmember Hoffman inquired about the cost estimates, confirming the $200,000 budget includes the architect's fees (03:06:55). The Vice Mayor explored financing options, but Mike Wagner advised against loans due to high costs and deed restrictions (03:07:29). The City Manager suggested using the general fund reserve, considering the property a bargain for housing in Sausalito (03:09:14). Councilmember Hoffman mentioned outreach to community groups for support (03:16:19).	Councilmember Hoffman motioned to proceed with implementing improvements to 429 ½ Johnson Street, formally Dorothy Gibson’s house, and authorizing budget for improvements to the site in an amount estimated to be $200,0. The motion passed (03:18:42).	5 Total: 4 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
03:10:34 Kevin Carroll was Neutral: Kevin Carroll inquired about the number of city employees who would qualify for low to moderate income housing, considering different positions and pay scales. 03:11:28 Arthur Bruce was In Favor: Arthur Bruce offered assistance in finding funding for the repairs and emphasized making the property a permanent low-income housing option. He considered the $200,000 a good starting point and offered to do his due diligence to secure funding. 03:12:30 Jeff Putman was In Favor: Jeff Putman suggested targeting employees on an on-call basis, such as police, fire, or maintenance staff, to improve community response during disasters. He noted intangible benefits beyond recruitment and retention. 03:13:54 Vicky Nichols was In Favor: Vicky Nichols highlighted Dorothy Gibson's intention for the property to benefit public safety employees and suggested prioritizing full-time employees. She mentioned existing facilities at public safety buildings for overnight stays and supported the plan. 03:15:05 Karen Culligan was In Favor: Karen Culligan criticized the city's neglect of the property as an asset and supported spending the $200,000. She noted the relatively high-income limits for moderate income in Marin County and suggested exploring ADUs to improve the payback.
03:18:58	3.E: November 8, 2022 Consolidated Election Key Dates and Events	Councilmember Hoffman presented the election calendar, prepared by the city attorney's office, outlining key dates for the November 8th general election to help plan council actions. Councilmember Sobieski requested the item be pulled from consent, aiming to leverage a city satisfaction survey already in progress to include questions about ballot initiatives, particularly Measure O and potential cannabis issues, and proposed a working group to craft ballot measures effectively (03:20:13). Councilmember Cleveland supported the idea, emphasizing the value of understanding community sentiments, especially regarding potential changes to Measure O, but expressed concerns about the tight timeline (03:21:54). The Vice Mayor raised concerns about staff time and the necessity of including cannabis initiatives in the survey, given previous decisions. (03:23:50) Mayor Kellman echoed the concerns about staff time, noting that creating a working group was not agendized (03:27:31). Councilmember Hoffman clarified the item was informational, not actionable, and suggested using the existing Ferry land side improvements working group. (03:26:10) The City Manager supported including Measure O in the survey, citing its expiration in 2024 and the need for timely action (03:27:14). The discussion shifted to whether the council should be involved in framing survey questions, with concerns raised about potential campaigning. (03:32:35) Councilmember Hoffman reiterated that the item was the election schedule and the survey questions can be discussed with the finance committee. (03:34:21) Mayor Kellman and the council agreed to add the survey to a future agenda, potentially the Finance Committee agenda. (03:39:03) Councilmember Sobieski apologized for making anyone feel uncomfortable and was simply alerting everyone to that the city already paid for the survey.	No Motion	2 Total: 0 In Favor 1 Against 1 Neutral
03:37:06 Arthur Bruce was Neutral: Offered a free one-hour class to civil servants on how to avoid violating constitutional rights. 03:38:05 Sandra Bushmaker was Against: Expressed disturbance over the discussion, suggesting a hidden agenda and a lack of transparency. Appreciated the city attorney for shutting down the conversation.
03:40:21	6: COMMUNICATIONS - 8:55 PM	This agenda item is a time for the City Council to hear from citizens regarding matters not on the agenda. Mayor Kellman introduces the item, noting the council cannot take action on items not on the agenda. Two members of the public spoke: Sandra Bushmaker expressed concern over recent COVID-19 case increases in Marin County and urged the council to continue safe meeting practices. Arthur Bruce claimed the city is scapegoating the homeless camp and anchor out as the reason for the city's budget crisis, when he believes it is mismanagement of the pension funds.	No Motion	2 Total: 0 In Favor 1 Against 1 Neutral
03:40:53 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: Expressed concern over the rise in COVID-19 cases in Marin County, emphasizing the need for continued safe meeting practices for the council, staff, and public. 03:41:55 Arthur Bruce was Against: Argued that the city's budget crisis stems from mismanagement of pension funds, not from the homeless camp and anchor out, and requested that the city stop scapegoating the homeless.
03:43:08	7: COUNCILMEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS - 9:05 PM	Mayor Kellman opened item seven, Councilmember Committee Reports, and asked if any councilmembers had anything to share. She then opened the floor for public comment on the councilmember committee reports.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:43:30	8: CITY MANAGER REPORTS, CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS, OTHER COUNCIL BUSINESS	This agenda item includes city manager reports, city council appointments, and other council business. Mayor Kellman opens the item and asks for public comments, but there are none. The Vice Mayor reports out on the city of Sausalito recognizing Juneteenth as a national holiday (03:44:16). Abbott Chambers from the library has been working on programming around the celebration of Juneteenth, including a play performance about Brown v. Board of Education (03:44:27). The Vice Mayor thanks Abbott Chambers for his hard work (03:44:52). Mayor Kellman thanks the Vice Mayor for sharing and acknowledges Abbott's hard work (03:45:07).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:45:20	8A: PUBLIC COMMENT on Items 8B-8E - limited to 3 minutes/person - 9:15 PM	The City Manager mentioned this item as a segue from the Vice Mayor.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:45:23	8B: City Manager Information for Council - 9:20 PM	The City Manager reported that the Juneteenth activity was intentionally planned not to conflict with Marin City activities, but to complement them. The Urban Alchemist contract will expire on June 30th and will not be renewed. Mayor Kelman and Vice Mayor Blauskin will collaborate with staff to develop a transition plan for the temporary encampment at the Marine ship.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:46:02	8C: Appointments to Boards, Commissions and Committees - 9:25 PM	Mayor Kellman introduces the item, noting that interviews were conducted on April 30th for various boards and committees. He suggests voting on the appointments without council discussion, following past practice. However, Vice Mayor raises concerns about making appointments before the boards and commissions have had a chance to review their purpose and makeup, as outlined in a memo from the City Manager (03:46:52). She suggests waiting the 45 days to see what the boards and commissions propose (03:47:20). Council Member Hoffman agrees with the Vice Mayor, sensing the irony of conducting interviews and then reconsidering the boards' structure (03:47:58). The City Manager confirms that the memo is being finalized and will be sent out soon (03:48:20). Council Member Cleveland supports the delay and requests that the Clerk send thank-you emails to the interviewees, explaining the situation (03:48:55). Mayor Kellman apologizes to those on the call who interviewed, for not alerting them to the potential delay sooner (03:49:28).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:49:51	8D: Future Agenda Items - 9:35 PM	The council discussed potential future agenda items. Serge requested the council consider accepting resignations from EDAC and FBAC, which Mayor Kellman supported. Councilmember Hoffman suggested adding the joint planning and city council meeting, which has been discussed for a while, to a future agenda (03:51:09). Vice Mayor Bussi proposed a ferry service from Tiburon to Sausalito to the city, a report from the tunnel project between Marin City and Sausalito, an updated report from the Salcedo Community Boating Center, and a presentation from the County of Marin on their electrification for new building ordinance (03:51:33). Councilmember Crivenoso requested a revised budget calendar at the next budget item (03:52:42) and expressed reservations about a free-ranging joint meeting with the planning commission, suggesting focused issues would be more productive (03:53:38). Mayor Kellman mentioned reviewing the planning commission's priorities with the Vice Mayor to identify overlapping topics for discussion (03:55:01). Councilmember Hoffman suggested focusing on planning and ordinances affecting the housing element and the master plan for a joint meeting (03:55:29). Mayor Kellman proposed discussing a smart city app, the fishing pier, and an update on EV charging (03:55:59).	A motion was made and seconded to accept the resignations from EDAC and FBAC and was passed (03:50:18).	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:56:40	8E: Other reports of significance - 9:40 PM	Mayor Kellman opens the floor for any other reports of significance from the councilmembers. As no one speaks up, it is assumed there are no further reports.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:56:47	9: ADJOURNMENT - 9:45 PM	Mayor Kellman suggested adjourning the meeting and announced the next meeting would be on May 24th (03:56:49).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

City Council Meeting Transcript

Adrian Brinton

Time	Speaker	Text
00:00:09.72	Serge	We're still running here.
00:00:20.62	Serge	Madam Mayor, give us one more second.
00:00:24.74	Serge	We'll start in just a moment.
00:00:26.52	Mayor Kellman	And now you're just given time for Council Member Sobieski to put glasses on so he
00:00:30.17	Mayor Kellman	Looks as nerdy as we all do.
00:00:34.74	Ian	I'm sorry.
00:00:36.40	Vice Mayor	I'm going to bring over some blue light glasses for you, Ian. I have a couple extra pairs, so. I hear you. There you go.
00:00:41.14	Ian	I hear you. There we go.
00:00:44.43	Ian	There you go.
00:00:44.78	Vice Mayor	Yeah.
00:00:44.85	Hoffman	I'm not sure.
00:00:47.15	Vice Mayor	Thank you.
00:00:47.18	Hoffman	Thank you.
00:00:47.23	Ian	Thank you.
00:00:47.26	Hoffman	Wow.
00:00:47.30	Ian	I'm jealous.
00:00:49.10	Hoffman	Are you going to play the guitar during this?
00:00:51.26	Hoffman	Oh, I hope so. I think that'd be cool.
00:00:51.30	Ian	Oh, I'm sorry.
00:00:51.48	Sandra Bushmaker	I hope so.
00:00:53.86	Hoffman	I really hope so.
00:00:54.35	Sobieski	We hope so.
00:00:56.36	Hoffman	Thank you.
00:00:56.41	Vice Mayor	Thank you.
00:00:56.43	Hoffman	.
00:00:56.56	Sobieski	I actually
00:00:56.63	Ian	That really,
00:00:57.03	Vice Mayor	I'm really.
00:00:57.86	Vice Mayor	Thank you.
00:00:58.60	Sobieski	I really am going to do that sometime. It was very soothing.
00:01:01.96	Vice Mayor	It was so soothing. I loved it.
00:01:05.89	Sobieski	Thank you.
00:01:05.91	Serge	And met in there.
00:01:06.45	Vice Mayor	I was a part of the whole meeting.
00:01:07.46	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
00:01:08.86	Vice Mayor	Thank you.
00:01:08.88	Serge	Yes, sir, we're back. Madam Mayor, we're good to go now. And good afternoon, Mayor Kelman and council members. This meeting has been held pursuant to government code section 54953E. And in light of the declared state of emergency, the regular meeting of the city council for May 10th, 2022 will be conducted telephonically through Zoom and broadcast live on the city's website and cable TV channel 27.
00:01:35.93	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, Mr. City Clerk. Can you please call the roll?
00:01:38.50	Serge	Council member Silviazzi?
00:01:41.74	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:01:41.75	Sobieski	here.
00:01:42.92	Serge	Council member Hoffman.
00:01:45.13	Sobieski	Thank you.
00:01:45.14	Mayor Kellman	Here.
00:01:45.35	Sobieski	you
00:01:46.02	Serge	Vice Mayor Blausdien.
00:01:47.61	Sobieski	Thank you.
00:01:47.66	Mayor Kellman	here.
00:01:48.27	Serge	and Mayor Kelman.
00:01:49.62	Mayor Kellman	Here.
00:01:50.41	Mayor Kellman	be a mouth.
00:01:51.05	Serge	Members are present and there is a forum.
00:01:53.55	Mayor Kellman	Thank you. We have four items for closed session tonight.
00:01:56.84	Mayor Kellman	Item D1, Conference of Legal Counsel, Existing Litigation Pursuant to California Government Code Section 54956.9A, Gordon versus Titus, pardon me, Gordon and Titus versus Caltrans City of South Lido,
00:02:09.34	Mayor Kellman	McNair versus Caltrans City of Sausalito. Rauda and Glass versus Caltrans City of Sausalito. Ashby and Johnson versus the Caltrans and City of Sausalito.
00:02:18.29	Mayor Kellman	Item D2, Conference of Legal Counsel. That is City of Sausalito versus the California Affiliated Risk Management Authorities.
00:02:24.78	Mayor Kellman	NMT3 Conference with Labor Negotiators,
00:02:27.79	Mayor Kellman	Item D4, Convents of Legal Counsel, Real Property Negotiations, Pursuant to California Government Code.
00:02:32.65	Mayor Kellman	54956.8 and the property is the MLK property.
00:02:36.80	Mayor Kellman	I'll go ahead and open up the public comment for the first session items.
00:02:40.65	Mayor Kellman	any members of the public in here with us right now, so we can.
00:02:43.97	Serge	Madam Mayor, there are no members of the public
00:02:46.99	Serge	Amen.
00:02:48.04	Mayor Kellman	Okay, so then we will go ahead and close public comment and I will see you in closed session.
00:02:54.69	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:02:59.95	Serge	their audio sequence.
00:03:01.37	Mayor Kellman	I think we're all ready.
00:03:02.89	Serge	Okay?
00:03:07.85	Serge	where we're admitting all
00:03:10.18	Serge	Public?
00:03:11.90	Serge	Mm-hmm.
00:03:12.20	Ian	Thank you.
00:03:17.65	Serge	and we're alive now, all public has been admitted
00:03:22.68	Mayor Kellman	And do you see the city manager?
00:03:27.24	Mayor Kellman	There we go.
00:03:27.86	Serge	It's just joined, Madam Mayor.
00:03:29.79	Mayor Kellman	Great.
00:03:30.11	Serge	Great.
00:03:32.93	Mayor Kellman	All right, well, welcome everybody to the City Council meeting for May 10th, 2022. Coming back from closed session, we don't have any announcements for you all, but we'll go ahead and approve
00:03:44.16	Mayor Kellman	the agenda. Do we have a motion and a second?
00:03:48.52	Vice Mayor	So moved.
00:03:51.42	Mayor Kellman	I'm just like in.
00:03:52.43	Mayor Kellman	Again.
00:03:53.18	Mayor Kellman	Okay, great. Can you please call the roll, Serge?
00:03:56.26	Serge	Councilmember Sobieski?
00:03:59.50	Serge	And some of them are clearly known.
00:04:01.12	Mayor Kellman	Yeah.
00:04:02.44	Serge	Council member Hoffman.
00:04:03.81	Vice Mayor	Thank you.
00:04:03.82	Mayor Kellman	Yeah.
00:04:03.98	Vice Mayor	Yes.
00:04:04.25	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:04:04.85	Serge	Vice Mayor Blausdein.
00:04:06.78	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
00:04:07.59	Serge	Mayor Kellman.
00:04:08.63	Serge	Thank you.
00:04:08.67	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
00:04:08.89	Serge	Thanks.
00:04:09.09	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:04:10.13	Mayor Kellman	Ready to pass is five, zero.
00:04:11.91	Mayor Kellman	Well, tonight we actually have two special presentations. The first one, item 1A, is from our Planning Commission Chair, Christina Feller. And the second will be the Seal of the Rise update from our Seal of the Rise Task Force. Serge, can you please make sure that
00:04:25.66	Mayor Kellman	Chair Feller as well as Cass Green and Michelle Orr all have co-hosts.
00:04:31.33	Mayor Kellman	responsibilities.
00:04:34.27	Ian	Sure.
00:04:35.25	Mayor Kellman	Okay.
00:04:36.00	Mayor Kellman	Well, then I will turn it over to Chair Feller and welcome her and thank you for making the time and for her service. So welcome, Chair Feller. We look forward to hearing from you.
00:04:45.22	Kristina Feller	Great. Thank you so much.
00:04:48.86	Kristina Feller	Thank you, Mayor Kellman, members of the city council for inviting me here this evening, just to give a brief update on the planning commission.
00:04:57.55	Kristina Feller	I wanted to first acknowledge that I'm proud to also be representing the entire commission this evening. This includes Commissioner Graff,
00:05:05.18	Kristina Feller	Commissioner Saad.
00:05:06.58	Kristina Feller	Mr. Luxembourg and Vice Chair Junius. This is a very formidable commission with impressive experience, diversity in their experience and a very high professional ethic.
00:05:18.55	Kristina Feller	We work very hard to advocate both for the applicant and for the municipal codes, the zoning ordinances and best practices and planning principles.
00:05:29.63	Kristina Feller	Many times this requires negotiation and compromise, but in the end,
00:05:34.16	Kristina Feller	regardless of the findings, we're very committed to ensure that all members of the community
00:05:38.56	Kristina Feller	and the public are treated fairly and respectfully. And this is very, very important in every aspect of what we do.
00:05:46.39	Kristina Feller	I wanted to focus this evening just on three
00:05:49.92	Kristina Feller	three major areas, the Planning Commission, Outreach, Collaboration, and Proactive Efforts,
00:05:56.18	Kristina Feller	the community development department and planning department in our priority funding requests. So I'll try to try to keep my comments and and sort of my briefing to you in those three major areas and then
00:06:08.87	Kristina Feller	and make some concluding remarks.
00:06:11.86	Kristina Feller	So over the last year, the planning commission has worked to recalibrate itself, to focus more on proactive outreach
00:06:19.38	Kristina Feller	partnering and collaboration through initiatives and joint commission sessions to help expedite
00:06:25.57	Kristina Feller	sensitive developments in the interest of the city and community.
00:06:29.20	Kristina Feller	This should be happening anyway, but with coming out of COVID and any kind of economic release and recovery,
00:06:37.89	Kristina Feller	we have worked in every way that we can to ensure that we are expediting all the business in front of the planning commission as best we can.
00:06:46.40	Kristina Feller	For example, we convened a special meeting with the Historic Preservation Commission to expedite joint approvals in a single evening for the Hotel Sausalito project.
00:06:56.51	Kristina Feller	um and again that's in recognition of the importance of a viable business in this location
00:07:01.96	Kristina Feller	as well as to minimize any disruption at high tourist season. So it was really important to do everything that we could to pull resources together to do that.
00:07:12.54	Kristina Feller	But in addition, we've convened or been involved with or appointed to over 14 different working groups or committees or subcommittees over the last,
00:07:22.48	Kristina Feller	I would say approximately 18 months to provide timely and substantive input to streamline and expedite critical matters in the interest of the community.
00:07:32.79	Kristina Feller	This includes everything from parklet benchmarking to assigning enforcement liaisons to
00:07:39.91	Kristina Feller	appointing an ombudsman, you know, landslide task force, sea level rise task force. We objective design standards,
00:07:49.43	Kristina Feller	the SB9 working group, housing element working group and the housing element advisory committee
00:07:56.41	Kristina Feller	And then also tree fund ordinance
00:07:59.69	Kristina Feller	a general plan working group and things like that.
00:08:02.76	Kristina Feller	And we're finding that the more that we,
00:08:07.84	Kristina Feller	really focus on smaller working groups or task forces
00:08:11.38	Kristina Feller	the better we're expediting the work
00:08:14.70	Kristina Feller	and also being a little bit more thorough with what we're doing rather than a larger group. So it's been,
00:08:20.19	Kristina Feller	I think very fruitful for us and we're gonna continue to do that.
00:08:20.27	Greg	I think,
00:08:25.98	Kristina Feller	So over the last year or so, we've also encouraged study sessions for applicants prior to their design review hearings.
00:08:33.74	Kristina Feller	So this for us is resulting in significantly better results.
00:08:40.05	Kristina Feller	Definitely expedited approvals. And what I mean by that is not multiple continued sessions, but a more expedited approval.
00:08:49.10	Kristina Feller	and a better neighborhood outreach and communication with neighbors. And I think that should always be at the forefront of what we do and what the city can do to help our community.
00:09:01.84	Kristina Feller	We've also expanded mandatory EIR circulations to all boards, commissions, committees, institutions, NGOs. I mean, even if the council was not previously being automatically copied or circulated,
00:09:14.48	Kristina Feller	so I think that that is something pretty important and we're gonna see more and more of that.
00:09:19.91	Kristina Feller	here in the city and certainly in front of the planning commission
00:09:24.26	Kristina Feller	Some of our future initiatives and outreach include coordinating closer with the Southern Fire District.
00:09:31.20	Kristina Feller	specifically regarding evacuation routes and any considerations for potentially
00:09:37.44	Kristina Feller	heightened designer view or other consideration due to the routes for potentially looking at an incentive program
00:09:43.70	Kristina Feller	to remove high hazard vegetation along those routes.
00:09:47.60	Kristina Feller	Now, I say that we're not attempting to get into disaster preparedness, but
00:09:54.00	Kristina Feller	many of these projects in front of us are subject to a lot of Southern Wind fire
00:09:59.67	Kristina Feller	review and approval.
00:10:01.56	Kristina Feller	and obviously on those evacuation routes. So it's something that we wanna be very mindful of and do our part to make sure that we are
00:10:09.00	Kristina Feller	achieving and helping Southern Wind Fire attain their goals as well.
00:10:15.07	Kristina Feller	So moving on to the community development department and the planning department,
00:10:21.37	Kristina Feller	As you know, as no secret to anybody, there's been a lot of churn within this department and we're looking forward to it settling down.
00:10:31.87	Kristina Feller	In the past, most recently, we've had issues with completeness of a lot of projects. And of course that is gonna be subject to
00:10:40.08	Kristina Feller	the staff and leadership that we can retain within the department.
00:10:44.52	Kristina Feller	I want to definitely give praise where praises do as well. I think our younger planner, Adam East is outstanding.
00:10:53.68	Kristina Feller	He is thorough and he has incredible soft skills with applicants and their consultants and is working very well to bridge any gaps with issues on projects with his soft skills.
00:11:09.26	Kristina Feller	and having Heidi Scovel back in
00:11:09.39	Greg	HELLO.
00:11:09.56	Greg	THE FAMILY.
00:11:11.84	Kristina Feller	uh community development and in planning specifically has been really helpful particularly running point on key act but also helping with a lot of her institutional knowledge
00:11:23.03	Kristina Feller	as well as working with staff to cultivate our staff.
00:11:28.92	Kristina Feller	I think it's important, however, to note that
00:11:32.78	Kristina Feller	If we look solely to consultants in the community development department,
00:11:39.13	Kristina Feller	I think that that structure is fundamentally flawed. And the reason I think that respectfully
00:11:44.73	Kristina Feller	is consultants, like any consultant in any business, look to please their clients. And in this case, with community development and what it is intended to be,
00:11:57.73	Kristina Feller	the applicants aren't necessarily the client.
00:12:00.46	Kristina Feller	And I think community development, at least on the leadership part, needs to be permanent staff. And permanent staff that is really the advocate for the community.
00:12:10.41	Kristina Feller	And so we're looking forward to ensuring that we're doing our part to help secure that
00:12:15.63	Kristina Feller	And then consultants have a very important role
00:12:18.94	Kristina Feller	in the world of planning as well. They are particularly useful
00:12:23.07	Kristina Feller	when it comes to peaks in
00:12:26.36	Kristina Feller	applications and the ability to manage those
00:12:30.39	Kristina Feller	and process those in a timely fashion.
00:12:33.77	Kristina Feller	much of what the planning department community department development department does in order to get things in front of the planning commission many of them are very time sensitive
00:12:42.83	Kristina Feller	And so if you don't have the right staffing, then we could lose ministerial review
00:12:48.10	Kristina Feller	from the department or any sort of review from the planning commission. Of course, that's not the intention of this.
00:12:55.10	Kristina Feller	So we're looking forward to availing ourselves in any way we can. Again, you've got a very deep bench
00:13:01.73	Kristina Feller	with the planning commissioners themselves with a great diversity of experience.
00:13:06.61	Kristina Feller	TO HELP IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN,
00:13:08.85	Kristina Feller	to ensure that we have a healthy and solid community development department. We all depend on it.
00:13:16.01	Kristina Feller	And as long as we are able to
00:13:20.68	Kristina Feller	ensure quality control and quality assurance on what we see in front of the commission i'm hoping that that we can improve the output
00:13:29.22	Kristina Feller	The staff reporting that we are currently getting
00:13:32.76	Kristina Feller	we're not really getting enough staff time to be able to generate the reports needed.
00:13:39.45	Kristina Feller	that are defensible in front of the planning commission. So I'm hoping that we can talk a little bit more about that even perhaps in a joint session at an appropriate time.
00:13:50.75	Kristina Feller	And then the third part that I wanted to
00:13:55.29	Kristina Feller	brief you on and talk to you about a little bit and certainly field any questions you might have is on the priority funding requests.
00:14:03.16	Kristina Feller	and
00:14:04.47	Kristina Feller	These were issued to the city council, I believe at the end of April,
00:14:09.99	Kristina Feller	And the idea behind these is really focusing on getting back to basics.
00:14:16.64	Kristina Feller	and ensuring that the planning commission
00:14:20.81	Kristina Feller	I'm not.
00:14:21.48	Kristina Feller	has the proper tools in order to review, approve ordinances, zoning development and so on.
00:14:30.88	Kristina Feller	So there's a list
00:14:32.42	Kristina Feller	of six different items that we issued to you, including a citywide master plan, which is really the cornerstone of what we need
00:14:43.72	Kristina Feller	to be able to thoughtfully look at development here in the city.
00:14:48.77	Kristina Feller	It's a great time to do that because we now have a general plan update
00:14:54.74	Kristina Feller	And we are very, in very short order, we will have a housing element as part of that, as an amendment to that as well.
00:15:03.57	Kristina Feller	The Sausalito Municipal Code and Ordinance updates and revisions.
00:15:07.97	Kristina Feller	are really very critical. And believe it or not, as we are working on the objective design standards,
00:15:16.16	Kristina Feller	incorporate into the base, South State Municipal Code, we are uncovering more and more items for municipal code
00:15:25.12	Kristina Feller	that date back to about 2003.
00:15:28.54	Kristina Feller	And the issue with that is that many other jurisdictions here in California,
00:15:34.65	Kristina Feller	there are court rulings that deem some of those codes and ordinance requirements is not constitutional. So we need to be very careful
00:15:43.48	Kristina Feller	and mindful about maintaining
00:15:46.36	Kristina Feller	and updating that municipal code on a regular basis.
00:15:50.65	Kristina Feller	Part of that is the general plan update implementation plan.
00:15:54.75	Kristina Feller	Much of the general plan, the update, can inform the South Slater Municipal Code
00:16:01.64	Kristina Feller	And so these are very, very high on our list.
00:16:05.33	Kristina Feller	You've heard previously in many different city councils about the implementation of all the lands like task force recommendations.
00:16:14.00	Kristina Feller	Again, some of those are becoming more and more pressing, particularly when we're looking at high sloped lots. Much of the hill area is at a slope of 60% or more, which is pretty significant.
00:16:30.83	Kristina Feller	So we really do need to look at that.
00:16:34.83	Kristina Feller	We've also spoken to the
00:16:37.60	Kristina Feller	very openly about the need for citywide parking and circulation plan study. This really could be part of the master plan
00:16:46.74	Kristina Feller	but it really needs some focus and thought about, you know, overall transportation initiatives. And that's beyond just Sausalito.
00:16:55.45	Kristina Feller	Obviously that includes, you know, Caltrans and municipal
00:16:58.96	Kristina Feller	providers as well.
00:17:00.97	Kristina Feller	And then lastly, I just wanted to touch on enforcement.
00:17:05.78	Kristina Feller	and specifically enforcement of the conditional use permits, the ministerial use permits, and then, or minor use permit, or
00:17:14.01	Kristina Feller	or just building permits.
00:17:15.94	Kristina Feller	I recognize that the commission, this is outside of the remit or the jurisdiction of the commission,
00:17:24.14	Kristina Feller	but it's really important to us that whatever is approved is actually implemented.
00:17:31.65	Kristina Feller	Otherwise, it sort of negates the,
00:17:35.63	Kristina Feller	the body in some way of the commission and the city
00:17:39.49	Kristina Feller	And it really undermines the whole process. And so I know it's not within our remit in jurisdiction. And I certainly recognize
00:17:50.36	Kristina Feller	that there is a new enforcement officer that is part of the city part-time
00:17:55.64	Kristina Feller	but I really think that maybe a little bit more focus or scoping this in a clever way
00:18:02.61	Kristina Feller	is something that would be important and informative back to the planning commission because it can inform future
00:18:10.90	Kristina Feller	findings that we might need to make and make this all a little bit
00:18:15.79	Kristina Feller	a little bit smoother for everybody.
00:18:19.03	Kristina Feller	So in conclusion, we've put forth a lot of ideas and we're looking forward to continuing our outreach and collaboration with other bodies.
00:18:31.20	Kristina Feller	The city council and the planning commission have not had a joint session in I believe over two years. And we've been asking for that for some time.
00:18:39.79	Kristina Feller	There's quite a lot of legislation that is coming down from the state
00:18:43.84	Kristina Feller	that is really impactful to both of us. And I think that there's a lot of opportunities there
00:18:50.84	Kristina Feller	to work a little smarter if we work together on,
00:18:55.08	Kristina Feller	on discussing these items and the potential impact they have to our community.
00:19:01.59	Kristina Feller	and to the city if we could do that together.
00:19:04.39	Kristina Feller	I had sent a proposed agenda items. There was a list of about 10 items to the city manager and the mayor in January, just to start the conversation
00:19:13.79	Kristina Feller	Again.
00:19:14.97	Kristina Feller	And I think it would be worthwhile to really look at this and think about this.
00:19:20.36	Kristina Feller	So that's really in conclusion what I wanted to cover today and certainly available
00:19:27.92	Kristina Feller	to answer any questions and continue the dialogue with with everybody here so thank you very much for for the time this evening
00:19:35.31	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, Chair Feller, and thank you to you and fellow commissioners for all of your hard work. Councilor Cleveland-Knowles and I both know firsthand what it takes, so very much appreciate it.
00:19:47.85	Mayor Kellman	Long nights and some very interesting information. Any questions for Chair Feller?
00:19:54.51	Vice Mayor	Yes, Vice Mayor.
00:19:56.35	Vice Mayor	I agree. We have a very deep bench on the planning commission. So thank you chair Feller for your hard work of leading a great group of folks that we have serving there. We're really lucky to have such engaged volunteers in our community.
00:20:07.98	Vice Mayor	I wanted to ask because you mentioned so many
00:20:10.12	Vice Mayor	critical pieces that you're working on, whether it's from requesting a mapping or municipal codes,
00:20:16.19	Vice Mayor	And I wanted to ask about specifically as a member of the working group on diversity, equity, and inclusion, if you had taken any steps at the planning commission to have conversations around how that might be impacted through planning
00:20:26.96	Vice Mayor	I know you had some review of some language around the historic preservation statement, for instance, and I know it's a priority for everybody that's on screen here. So I just wanted to ask about that specifically.
00:20:39.06	Kristina Feller	That's a good question. So in both the general plan and the historic statement documents, there was a lot of language in there that the planning commission did comment upon.
00:20:51.68	Kristina Feller	And what we want to avoid actually is being
00:20:56.07	Kristina Feller	duplicative.
00:20:57.52	Kristina Feller	So the general plan I think is a really important document. We've also even addressed that in the housing element
00:21:05.13	Kristina Feller	that is really considered part of the planning commission.
00:21:10.57	Kristina Feller	i don't see why it needs to be duplicated in both documents considering that they are actually tied together
00:21:16.79	Kristina Feller	So what we're looking at in terms of public policy documents or in terms of
00:21:22.21	Kristina Feller	of approvals that come in front of us
00:21:24.96	Kristina Feller	the issue about diversity, equity, or inclusion
00:21:28.84	Kristina Feller	is not always specific to a design review application.
00:21:32.22	Kristina Feller	is more specific in public policy. And in public policy, we've already commented on that as a commission and approved a lot of that language.
00:21:43.40	Vice Mayor	Thanks again for your volunteer time and efforts and presenting to us this evening. Thank you.
00:21:49.58	Vice Mayor	Thank you.
00:21:53.43	Mayor Kellman	Any other questions for the chair?
00:21:57.50	Mayor Kellman	I actually had just two, you mentioned a couple of
00:22:01.71	Mayor Kellman	priority projects and I just think it would be helpful to let the full council and the public know just briefly if you if you can any work that you guys have done on the park list SB 9 SB 35 I know you have a number of subcommittees those seem to be some of the hot topics in town
00:22:16.94	Mayor Kellman	Can you just maybe touch on the work you guys have done? Since I know you've really organized the subcommittees very effectively.
00:22:23.87	Kristina Feller	Sure, well, let me start with the parklets because I believe it was the city council in October had requested staff.
00:22:31.68	Kristina Feller	to put a group together and to pull together
00:22:36.22	Kristina Feller	and proposed
00:22:38.16	Kristina Feller	Um,
00:22:39.11	Kristina Feller	program that could be either amended into the code or approved as a standing item by the city council for parklets.
00:22:49.27	Kristina Feller	the Planning Commission put together a group of two members, myself and Commissioner Luxembourg,
00:22:56.68	Kristina Feller	And we worked along with the community development department as well as the department of public works
00:23:02.70	Kristina Feller	And Sausalito Beautiful was interested in partaking in that part of it as it related to some of the landscape and softening, let's say the parklets,
00:23:13.64	Kristina Feller	around town.
00:23:15.58	Kristina Feller	And so that was a really, really effective working group. And I really need to,
00:23:21.55	Kristina Feller	applaud the work of engineer Ali Akbar with Department of Public Works who
00:23:28.38	Kristina Feller	is really, really terrific and well versed on our municipal code and how to tie a lot of this back
00:23:36.59	Kristina Feller	and really thinking through a lot of
00:23:39.93	Kristina Feller	the issues that we had to look at to really put a program together from scratch.
00:23:47.15	Kristina Feller	We also went out, the entire group together, to beta test what we were proposing as a program against existing parklets that were either pre-COVID or because of COVID and what it would take
00:24:01.63	Kristina Feller	to come up to speed with the program and come into compliance with the program.
00:24:09.10	Kristina Feller	And so everybody had a slightly different
00:24:12.44	Kristina Feller	and has a different perspective and view on it. And I think it was one of those really fruitful, very well-written,
00:24:21.96	Kristina Feller	articulated programs
00:24:24.85	Kristina Feller	We didn't take it so far as to propose where
00:24:29.51	Kristina Feller	in the municipal code, everything could be changed because
00:24:33.02	Kristina Feller	we wanted to pull back and make sure it was what the city council was looking for. And then we would make recommendations on how to amend the ordinance, but it was premature to do that. But we did take all of those things into consideration to make sure it was viable.
00:24:46.79	Kristina Feller	So that's as it relates to the parklets. And the precursor to that is
00:24:53.74	Kristina Feller	knowing that the city council was interested in this and having discussions with yourself and council member Sobieski,
00:25:02.23	Kristina Feller	as it related to EDAC
00:25:04.74	Kristina Feller	the Planning Commission sort of proactively looked at benchmarking
00:25:09.53	Kristina Feller	from other jurisdictions and we provided a report back
00:25:14.29	Kristina Feller	back to you about
00:25:16.59	Kristina Feller	which jurisdictions we thought had really good programs and why
00:25:20.15	Kristina Feller	and what the criteria was that we were looking for. So as much as possible, we were narrowing the focus to something that would be unique and special and responsive to what Sausalito needed.
00:25:31.72	Kristina Feller	So those were two different efforts at two different times.
00:25:36.89	Kristina Feller	Specific to SB9,
00:25:39.05	Kristina Feller	because it is such an important issue and really all of this legislation coming down from the state
00:25:46.17	Kristina Feller	is really critical.
00:25:48.99	Kristina Feller	the draft ordinance that we received from the city council
00:25:52.82	Kristina Feller	we really needed to take a very deep dive and look at that.
00:25:59.11	Kristina Feller	Vice Chair Junius and Commissioner Waksenberg
00:26:02.17	Kristina Feller	where the working group that could work together on that
00:26:06.57	Kristina Feller	and really troubleshoot that and work with our city attorney
00:26:11.70	Kristina Feller	Sergio Rudin to really
00:26:14.10	Kristina Feller	also helps sort of benchmark what other jurisdictions are doing and how that may or may not relate
00:26:19.40	Kristina Feller	to Sausalito and proposed language to actually simplify
00:26:24.49	Kristina Feller	and not overcomplicate
00:26:26.20	Ian	Thank you.
00:26:26.48	Kristina Feller	what that draft ordinance would be.
00:26:29.84	Kristina Feller	We did vote on that last week as a commission, the draft ordinance to send back to you. So that should be coming back to you any day now, I would expect.
00:26:40.98	Mayor Kellman	Great, well, I know those are two huge lifts amongst others that you have. So thank you, really thank you. And I just wanna make sure the whole council knew about that work.
00:26:50.33	Mayor Kellman	Any other questions before we take public comment?
00:26:54.46	Mayor Kellman	Okay, so Serge, we're gonna go ahead and open this up to public comment, as we do with all special presentations. If someone else wants to comment,
00:27:00.94	Mayor Kellman	specifically on the presentation from the chair of our planning commission, now would be the time. And Serge, if you could explain how to do that.
00:27:08.01	Serge	Sure. Video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application, and you will be called upon when it's your time to speak. To raise your hand from a phone, press start 9, and each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed.
00:27:28.50	Serge	And Mayor, I do see one hand raised and that's Arthur Bruce.
00:27:33.53	Serge	You've been unmuted and has to share your video.
00:27:36.80	Mayor Kellman	And we're gonna have two minutes tonight, please.
00:27:39.69	Serge	a minute.
00:27:40.57	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:27:41.41	Mayor Kellman	Okay. Mr. Bruce, looks like Mr. Jacobs.
00:27:45.32	Jeff Jacob	Yeah, thank you, Mayor Kelman. Yeah.
00:27:51.03	Jeff Jacob	Uh...
00:27:52.38	Jeff Jacob	Thank you, Mayor and City and
00:27:55.55	Jeff Jacob	Ja for providing it all for us.
00:27:59.50	Jeff Jacob	That this beautiful place that we live in, that we water protectors,
00:28:04.48	Jeff Jacob	and lawn protectors care about.
00:28:07.60	Jeff Jacob	was here before humans and there were stewards, they were called
00:28:11.77	Jeff Jacob	to Miwok.
00:28:13.81	Jeff Jacob	And some of the people on the water, some of the time,
00:28:17.84	Jeff Jacob	can feel that spirit and
00:28:19.83	Jeff Jacob	do our best to fulfill it.
00:28:22.65	Jeff Jacob	As far as a housing element, not just the one here in the tennis courts,
00:28:27.38	Jeff Jacob	over to my left,
00:28:27.41	Greg	over to my loft.
00:28:29.32	Jeff Jacob	I...
00:28:31.36	Jeff Jacob	want to commend Christina for
00:28:34.28	Jeff Jacob	saying that she's ready to take some of the responsibility and not give it to consultants.
00:28:39.66	Jeff Jacob	that the planning commission and the planning department have enough people there to decide with local roots.
00:28:46.48	Jeff Jacob	and it does not have to go to outside consultants.
00:28:49.53	Jeff Jacob	that I was a little shocked that $850,000
00:28:49.90	Ian	.
00:28:53.67	Jeff Jacob	for the housing element is being spent
00:28:56.72	Jeff Jacob	to a consultant. So I'd like
00:28:58.76	Jeff Jacob	to see that phased out.
00:29:00.91	Jeff Jacob	and I'd like to see democracy phased in.
00:29:03.39	Jeff Jacob	So thank you very much.
00:29:04.57	Arthur Bruce	And also that's also hearing from the same
00:29:09.60	Arthur Bruce	by
00:29:12.48	Arthur Bruce	The title on the Independent Journal today was,
00:29:18.20	Arthur Bruce	on the homeless crossroad, it appears that the city
00:29:22.05	Arthur Bruce	in spite of the
00:29:23.77	Arthur Bruce	the city's own admissions at the last city council meeting
00:29:27.08	Arthur Bruce	of why there's such a horrible budget problem with the city that's actually related to the poor management of the city's own pension fund.
00:29:36.46	Arthur Bruce	and why the city is scapegoating
00:29:39.21	Arthur Bruce	the homeless camp and the anchor outs for the, um,
00:29:43.03	Mayor Kellman	Mr. Bruce, this is a time to comment on the presentation from the Chair of the Planning Commission.
00:29:43.28	Arthur Bruce	Mr. Bruce, this is
00:29:48.02	Arthur Bruce	in regards to that let me tie it back to the housing and of course the conditional use permit which uh i think we all want to be um expanded we want the explanations of the conditional use
00:29:49.03	Jeff Jacob	THE FEDERAL IS
00:29:49.69	Mayor Kellman	How's it going?
00:29:50.08	Jeff Jacob	I'm sorry.
00:29:50.32	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:30:00.61	Arthur Bruce	permits expanded on. Permit to occupies.
00:30:01.74	Greg	Yeah.
00:30:01.89	Jeff Jacob	THE CITY IS A CITY IS A CITY
00:30:02.20	Mayor Kellman	permit to
00:30:02.99	Jeff Jacob	.
00:30:03.88	Arthur Bruce	as possible, you know,
00:30:05.93	Arthur Bruce	permit talking.
00:30:09.88	Arthur Bruce	Thank you.
00:30:10.30	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:30:10.84	Mayor Kellman	Thanks very much.
00:30:14.72	Mayor Kellman	Okay, any other public comments here?
00:30:17.27	Serge	Madam Mayor, it appears as we have no other hands raised.
00:30:19.97	Mayor Kellman	Okay, great. Thank you very much. Chair Fowler, thank you. Thank you to all the commissioners, again, for the excellent hard work. We appreciate everything.
00:30:27.49	Mayor Kellman	all the streamlining you were helping us to proceed with
00:30:31.44	Mayor Kellman	re-envision city hall so thank you
00:30:34.07	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:30:36.18	Mayor Kellman	Okay, we're gonna move on to our second special presentation, which just happens to be the sea level rise update. We have tonight two members of the task force along with myself, actually Chair Feller and Council Member Hoffman as well.
00:30:51.12	Mayor Kellman	So presenting with me tonight will be Cass Green and Michelle Orr. And in fact, Serge, Michelle will be handling the presentation.
00:31:00.87	Mayor Kellman	And as luck would have it, I have an unstable connection. So I will go quickly through the presentation and hopefully,
00:31:08.85	Mayor Kellman	It won't be too painful.
00:31:11.33	Mayor Kellman	Okay, so we are back after our November, 2021 meeting to respond to questions from the city.
00:31:18.18	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:31:19.82	Mayor Kellman	So it's a draw.
00:31:21.61	Mayor Kellman	CAST screen will provide a thorough review of the interactive map. And then Michelle Orr is on hand along with CAST to answer questions. So welcome.
00:31:32.46	Mayor Kellman	to the Seal of Rights Task Force update for May 10th. On the next slide,
00:31:41.52	Mayor Kellman	I also want to welcome you to Sausalito. So what we're seeing here is flooding, not just from king tides, but high tides. Now, of course, this is in the north part of town. You may have seen this during any number of high tide events. We're seeing more and more frequent flooding in all parts of Sausalito, but particularly towards the north off of gate five and gate six road.
00:32:00.96	Mayor Kellman	Next slide.
00:32:03.02	Mayor Kellman	So we gave our first presentation to everybody in November 16th, 2021. That was a 20 page report with 17 recommendations. We now have a specific page on the city's website, saucillo.gov forward slash C-level rise or SLR. And my apologies for not coming back to you sooner with responses to your questions. That was a heavy lift of that 20 page report. So we took a little break, but now we're back. So we had five follow-up questions presented by council members. We were asked to compare this to the general plan update to see where our recommendations dovetailed with that body of work. We were asked to respond to some questions about risk and probabilities. We had also embarked on a survey. We have results to share with you all. We made interactive map updates. And then because we had several asks, we came back to you with some funding overview, ideas and direction.
00:32:58.13	Mayor Kellman	Next slide, great.
00:32:59.37	Mayor Kellman	So in comparison to the general plan, this was, I think, Council Member of Cleveland Knowles' question. Each of the 17 recommendations in our 20th report is in fact supported by a general plan update element. So I've listed them out here along with the programs or policies. We were very careful as we went through the general plan update to bake sustainability and long-term resilience planning, including sea level rise into each and every one of the elements. So you see this throughout, whether it's land use that has three programs or environmental quality that has one policy and 12 programs, or even economic with one policy and two programs. We also attach to today's agenda, a thorough multi-page, I think it's probably almost 20 pages, analysis comparing our recommendations to the general plan. Huge gratitude to Michelle Orr for preparing that. But that is attached to the agenda for your review at your convenience.
00:33:54.70	Mayor Kellman	Next slide please.
00:33:58.08	Mayor Kellman	Okay, we also received some questions around probability and risk. And so these numbers are from both the county as well as numbers that we see from the state. So, you know, it's also we can expect the following amount of sea level rise by 2030, 2050, and 2100.
00:34:17.08	Mayor Kellman	And the bottom end of the range, low rise in sea level rise, has a higher probability of occurring than the upper end.
00:34:22.93	Mayor Kellman	However, both the upper and lower ends of the range are immensely critical for decision-making. And also keep in mind that the one in 200 probability is common in flood protection planning, including used by federal agencies such as FEMA. So we've outlined here the lower end that's a 66% probability. And this is an instances where there's no threat to human life, where you're looking at something like a park might be inundated. In contrast, the upper end with a 0.5% probability
00:34:52.67	Mayor Kellman	is higher stakes, critical infrastructure, whether it's something involving a hospital or sewer infrastructure or utilities.
00:34:58.55	Mayor Kellman	And so one way and a significant way that the federal agencies and the county applies risk and probability is what they call an engineering approach. So I'm sure some of you are familiar with this, that when a bridge is being designed, the steel is not engineered just to meet the likely low requirements, but you start with the maximum and then add an additional factor of safety. And that's the way many communities, if not most, are starting to plan for the risk associated with ceiling red.
00:35:24.86	Mayor Kellman	Next slide.
00:35:27.83	Mayor Kellman	We also went ahead and created a survey. Again, massive thank you to Abbott Chambers, who worked very closely with Wilford Welch and Lisa Cholino, two members of the task force, in both developing and issuing the survey. We received 464 responses from the 6,500 citizens that we're aware of,
00:35:46.28	Mayor Kellman	This is the top three most responded to survey.
00:35:49.45	Mayor Kellman	And at the bottom there, we included some of the key percentages and key response rates that indicate an urgency to act. And interestingly, I think the takeaway here is that most people feel Salcedo is not prepared and they do believe we need to start preparing now, but there's also a disconnect that they don't believe that their property will be flooded or that it will impact them personally.
00:36:11.95	Mayor Kellman	I also want to point out that Sausaledans are so concerned about sea level rise that 25% of the respondents, which is 118 people, offered to engage more with the task force and provided their email addresses for subsequent contact.
00:36:26.37	Mayor Kellman	So again, this is a interesting to see the dynamic between an understanding, but maybe a little bit reticent to see how it applies in their own lives. In fact, only 88% of respondents said that they felt they would be impacted by sea level rise, while the Bay Wave report, which is the county sea level rise effort, indicates that all 7,000 plus sausage residents will be impacted in the short term.
00:36:50.34	Mayor Kellman	The next slide.
00:36:53.42	Mayor Kellman	This is just a teaser. This is the NOAA Sea Level Rise Viewer as the federal agency put this out. And what you see here is the high tide flooding.
00:37:04.02	Mayor Kellman	and
00:37:06.74	Mayor Kellman	Uh.
00:37:08.00	Mayor Kellman	is sort of the last 100 years, which is you would only see a massive flooding like this from a king tide. Now we're actually seeing it from high tides. And this is also interesting because it allows you to see the geologic and the hydrologic connection between the entire Richardson Bay area. So it's not just us, it's up the shoreline, Marin City, Tama Junction, all the way around into Belvedere and Tebron and certainly the lagoons. So you can see this is this is happening it is happening more frequently and it is happening from non-storm events which is again a massive deviation from past experiences. In a little bit Cass Green who as many of you know is a GIS and mapping expert who advises several federal advisory committees, including NOAA and NASA, will take us through the interactive map she created for Sausalito.
00:37:59.12	Mayor Kellman	Next slide, please.
00:38:01.61	Mayor Kellman	And then finally, funding. So we had a lot of lessons learned from working with another JPA or JPA in this area called One Shoreline, which is in San Mateo County, and working closely with their ED developed some funding opportunities. So last year, there was something called the Regional Climate Collaboratives Program, the Strategic Growth Council. There's still money available for that with a focus on under-resourced communities. But interestingly enough, a lot of that funding was for outreach, not for capital projects.
00:38:27.10	Ian	It's...
00:38:31.96	Mayor Kellman	This year, there's a large number of grants available, including Prop 68 and the California Coastal Conservancy.
00:38:39.45	Mayor Kellman	And then next year, and this is perhaps the most exciting bit, is that there is $3.3 billion for problems in the state budget for climate, up from $200 million. The task force made a request to McGuire and Levine for $4 million in coordination with Marin City for some shoreline planning in the new budget, which was well-received and a drop in the bucket when you consider $3.3 billion. There's also some new legislation coming down the line, SB 52,
00:39:07.48	Mayor Kellman	SB 989 that will increase funding for climate resiliency.
00:39:12.36	Mayor Kellman	And then finally, I just wanna signal to staff and the city manager who knows this already, that Cal OES is actually sitting on millions of dollars and cities must have an active local hazard mitigation plan to access that and we do. So there are some huge opportunities here. One of the recommendations we had made was that we hire a grant writer. And in fact, we hired three. So huge kudos to the city manager for facilitating that and acting on that immediately.
00:39:39.96	Mayor Kellman	I believe that is the last slide, one more perhaps.
00:39:46.02	Mayor Kellman	okay great yeah so immediate next steps this is an echo of what we saw in the 20 page report from november uh we need to find funding to complete the vulnerability assessment there are grants for that uh two weeks or maybe a week ago i sent a list of those grants i did some research on that and sent that over to one of the grant writers for their review and it was well received we need funding, there are grants for an adaptation strategy. Communities are now looking to incorporate sea level rise planning into zoning, both in terms of consistency and overlay zones. This is just in line with what we've done for many years now, the seismic risks, right? And so the massive difference right now between dealing with
00:40:30.55	Mayor Kellman	the predicted or probabilistic risk of a seismic event is that seismic events are built into our zoning and building codes, whereas we have no such safety mechanisms or any analysis built into our zoning and building codes for sea level rise.
00:40:46.03	Mayor Kellman	We should continue to update the interactive map, find more grants for community engagement and dovetailing with that, continue to look for ways to partner with Marin City on assessments and solutions and pursue a proactive opportunities for environmental justice and racial justice measures as they relate to long-term resiliency.
00:41:05.77	Mayor Kellman	So I'll just remind you all, there's several things that were attached to the agenda. If you want to dig in further, there is a further analysis on probability and risk. There is a lengthy analysis of the comparison to the general plan update. We also have analysis of all of the survey results and then a letter that we included for funding. So the rest of this presentation is some examples from around the Bay of sea level rise measures and projects that are being implemented. And I just included them here for your review at your convenience. So I will pause there. Thank you, Michelle, for running that. Let's hand it over to Cass, who can take us through the map.
00:41:46.73	Cass Green	Thank you, Mayor Kalman.
00:41:48.74	Cass Green	Here we go.
00:41:54.51	Mayor Kellman	So I'm hoping you can see my screen now.
00:41:57.19	Mayor Kellman	We see your home screen, but no map. Oops, sorry about that.
00:42:11.36	Cass Green	How about now?
00:42:13.68	Cass Green	There it is.
00:42:14.07	Mayor Kellman	you
00:42:14.52	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:42:14.54	Cass Green	Thank you.
00:42:14.57	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:42:14.72	Cass Green	Okay, thank you very much. And I'm keeping my video off because
00:42:15.03	Mayor Kellman	Thank you very much.
00:42:15.97	Mayor Kellman	And I don't know.
00:42:18.86	Cass Green	this map takes down a lot of bandwidth.
00:42:21.79	Cass Green	So one of the new things on the map is the disclaimer.
00:42:25.25	Cass Green	And to get rid of the disclaimer, you just have to turn it off, but that means that you accept the disclaimer. That's an important thing to do.
00:42:33.03	Cass Green	because again, this map is made of models and not
00:42:39.12	Cass Green	doesn't represent the world completely as we know it will be because we don't know it'll be in the future with sea level rise. So I'm going to take off the old disclaimer.
00:42:48.25	Cass Green	Here's the imagery that shows you Sausalito, and I'm gonna pull that off so we can just have a map.
00:42:54.36	Cass Green	Amen.
00:42:55.48	Cass Green	that guy off and turn off the imagery. Let's turn off that guy. Okay, so we got a map of Sausalito.
00:43:01.86	Cass Green	And I wanted to go over the different layers again that are available in this map. We've got Sausalito pipelines in purple.
00:43:10.29	Cass Green	city water infrastructure points and I'll talk a little bit about those but the blue ones are the ones you really want to think about because that's the pump stations
00:43:18.78	Cass Green	I WANT TO DO THAT.
00:43:19.64	Cass Green	Partial boundaries and coming up in yellow, a little faint to see on this. Building footprints.
00:43:25.58	Cass Green	locations of the storm drains. And then of course we have the scenarios, the sea level rise scenarios. So a little bit about these scenarios.
00:43:35.69	Cass Green	The levels themselves were generated by USGS using the models that they have for digital elevation models and diphymetry.
00:43:44.47	Cass Green	throughout the Bay Area.
00:43:46.66	Cass Green	The actual scenarios that are being shown were chosen by the county of Verin.
00:43:51.82	Cass Green	and they are in compliant with this the state's guidance for what the um the state what this uh state guides excuse me uh tells counties what likely changes are going to occur and mayor kelman showed those probabilities earlier but these are the ones that the county of
00:44:11.53	Cass Green	of Marin has chosen.
00:44:13.19	Unknown	I'm sorry.
00:44:13.25	Ian	in.
00:44:13.47	Unknown	Thank you.
00:44:13.54	Ian	Yeah.
00:44:13.69	Unknown	you
00:44:14.72	Cass Green	So we're gonna zoom in a little bit.
00:44:17.12	Cass Green	That's the wrong way, sorry.
00:44:17.49	Ian	Thank you.
00:44:20.19	Ian	There we go.
00:44:20.83	Cass Green	Thank you.
00:44:20.90	Cass Green	was doing a little bit.
00:44:23.26	Cass Green	You've got the ferry terminal, my favorite place, of course, the end above tide and other areas. And we'll get rid of the low resources thing, which is why my video is not on.
00:44:33.64	Cass Green	And so we're gonna go through the different scenarios. Again, these are the county scenarios based on USGS modeling. Near term is considered to be 2030.
00:44:43.97	Cass Green	and they're two
00:44:45.33	Cass Green	scenarios for 2030 what is with no storm and the second is with
00:44:51.68	Cass Green	a 100-year storm.
00:44:53.08	Cass Green	So what is a 100-year storm?
00:44:55.83	Cass Green	And every year there's a 1% chance that a 100-year storm
00:45:01.13	Cass Green	will occur
00:45:02.31	Cass Green	And unfortunately we've been having lots of hundred year storms over the last two decades. So they're starting to occur more often.
00:45:09.58	Cass Green	So we've got without the 100-year storm, and then we'll add in the 100-year storm.
00:45:14.58	Cass Green	We go to midterm, that's 2030.
00:45:18.14	Cass Green	a 20 inch drive width
00:45:21.06	Cass Green	the
00:45:22.44	Cass Green	the 100-year storm and, excuse me, turn that off for a minute, with the 100-year storm and then without and then with the 100-year storm.
00:45:30.64	Cass Green	I wanted to point out for the near term, that the whole 10 inches with a 100 year storm, we're experiencing floods.
00:45:38.08	Cass Green	at that, flooding at that level now, especially with our kingpies.
00:45:41.93	Cass Green	So this is not a rare event. It is something that does occur in Sausalito, and I'm sure all of you have experienced it in different areas of Sausalito.
00:45:51.23	Cass Green	And then we get to the longterm, which is considered to be 20,
00:45:55.06	Cass Green	100?
00:45:56.31	Cass Green	with no
00:45:57.59	Cass Green	storm and then
00:45:59.82	Cass Green	with the 100-year storm. And the flooding gets really extensive. Again, that's 2100 and 2100.
00:46:09.40	Cass Green	text.
00:46:10.33	Cass Green	you know so it's quite a ways out but not not far enough frankly from for me
00:46:15.06	Cass Green	If we look at some of the other areas of Sausalito, you can see that some of the,
00:46:22.85	Cass Green	rise gets a little bit more extreme because of the topography of the area.
00:46:28.20	Cass Green	So here's near Schoonmaker Beach. And you can, as I start to go each one of the scenarios, you can see the flooding increase.
00:46:41.01	Cass Green	And then we'll go back to
00:46:44.35	Cass Green	to go back to where everybody looks to, which is friendship,
00:46:48.98	Cass Green	And that's already experiencing flooding and I'll take off the layers and put it back on again. That's already experiencing flooding and will in the future.
00:47:02.91	Cass Green	Amen.
00:47:03.54	Cass Green	There's that place.
00:47:04.67	Ian	Thank you.
00:47:04.70	Cass Green	So here's no
00:47:08.52	Cass Green	I've got one on still. There.
00:47:10.34	Cass Green	Um...
00:47:11.81	Cass Green	no sea level rise and we're going 10 inches without a storm, 10 inches with a storm.
00:47:17.70	Cass Green	20 inches without a storm.
00:47:19.66	Cass Green	20 inches with the storm and then
00:47:22.93	Cass Green	2,100.
00:47:24.63	Cass Green	60 inches with no storm, 60 inches with the storm. So pretty significant flooding, even just in the short term, in the near term.
00:47:36.31	Cass Green	If you go back to the near term,
00:47:38.32	Cass Green	And you can see that there's gonna be significant impact. And again, we're all seeing that on a regular basis, especially with the king tide. And if you get a king tide in the storm,
00:47:48.82	Cass Green	the flooding is pretty horrendous. So we're already at this near term.
00:47:53.10	Cass Green	level.
00:47:54.45	Cass Green	several days a year
00:47:56.98	Cass Green	And we are continuing towards the higher levels
00:48:01.57	Cass Green	The scenarios that these are based on were a report that came out in 2017. The state's guidance came out in 2017. A new report is due out soon, and it'll be great to update the map for the new scenarios. I'm sure this county in Marin will come out with these scenarios then too.
00:48:20.54	Cass Green	So thank you very much, Mayor Kellman.
00:48:24.03	Mayor Kellman	anything else that we wanted to show off
00:48:26.70	Mayor Kellman	Incredible, Cass. You know, I love this map every time I see it because I'm blown away by your...
00:48:31.81	Mayor Kellman	by your skill set and talent. So thank you.
00:48:34.73	Mayor Kellman	Well, let's go ahead and see if any council members, if you want to stop sharing your screen and council members have questions for probably Cass or Michelle to respond.
00:48:39.03	Ian	Thank you.
00:48:49.77	Mayor Kellman	Okay, and not to cut anybody off, but not seeing any. So let's see if there's any, oh yeah. Casper Hoffman, please.
00:48:56.01	Hoffman	So where have we hung this map on our website? I know that we had talked about that. Is it, where are we at on that process?
00:49:03.94	Hoffman	members of the public or whoever can
00:49:06.12	Hoffman	Council members, whoever can check on it.
00:49:08.62	Mayor Kellman	City manager has promised me that he will work to get the ArcGIS passwords to CAS. CAS has very graciously offered to take care of managing the whole thing in terms of the GIS license and knows the people who own that software package. So city manager, I will circle back with you on the status of that. Thank you for that reminder.
00:49:31.60	Cass Green	Wonderful.
00:49:33.46	Mayor Kellman	Okay.
00:49:34.06	Mayor Kellman	And then I also saw that our housing consultant has popped on here. So we've offered to make this available to Beth as well. And we will make that available to the whole public.
00:49:43.82	Mayor Kellman	Serge, let's see if there are any members of the public who would like to comment or have a question.
00:49:50.77	Serge	Madam Mayor, as you know, and embrace at the moment.
00:49:54.18	Mayor Kellman	Okay, great.
00:49:55.41	Mayor Kellman	Well then I will just thank my fellow council members for
00:49:59.88	Mayor Kellman	and giving us the opportunity to come back to you.
00:50:03.68	Mayor Kellman	and we will move on then on the agenda.
00:50:06.58	Mayor Kellman	I'm not sure.
00:50:06.75	Serge	No.
00:50:07.68	Serge	Pardon me, Madam Mayor. It appears as we have two hands that are now raised, Arthur Bruce and John D.
00:50:15.49	Serge	I'm,
00:50:16.42	Mayor Kellman	Okay, let's keep the public comment again to two minutes. So Mr. Bruce, this is as to the presentation on sea level rise only.
00:50:25.68	Jeff Jacob	So,
00:50:25.97	Serge	Thank you.
00:50:26.02	Jeff Jacob	Thank you.
00:50:30.29	Serge	Rose, you are now unmuted and ask to share your video.
00:50:34.31	Jeff Jacob	Tell him you're Jeff.
00:50:35.35	Jeff Jacob	Okay, this is Jeff Jacob again. We're talking about sea level rise.
00:50:39.79	Jeff Jacob	We're not that far away here over at Marin Chefs.
00:50:44.01	Jeff Jacob	from the sea level rise, as we noticed after the storms when the leach field rose.
00:50:49.95	Jeff Jacob	And the one thing that will help
00:50:52.70	Jeff Jacob	Anybody wanting to deal with sea level rise is
00:50:56.36	Jeff Jacob	something called a boat.
00:50:59.11	Jeff Jacob	So the more goals
00:51:00.89	Jeff Jacob	that we have and the less impact
00:51:03.94	Jeff Jacob	that they have.
00:51:05.51	Jeff Jacob	with carbon output that
00:51:07.87	Jeff Jacob	directly leads to sea level rise.
00:51:11.09	Jeff Jacob	I think it's time
00:51:12.87	Jeff Jacob	Red.
00:51:13.49	Jeff Jacob	Council members and city managers especially.
00:51:18.44	Jeff Jacob	disclose the amount of carbon output they use in their lives.
00:51:22.45	Jeff Jacob	that the citizens
00:51:23.74	Jeff Jacob	can be inspired by that.
00:51:26.28	Jeff Jacob	And also become minimalists.
00:51:28.95	Jeff Jacob	without becoming nothing-ish.
00:51:33.15	Jeff Jacob	So money being the lifeblood,
00:51:35.51	Jeff Jacob	of the Council
00:51:37.39	Jeff Jacob	and of politics in a lot of ways.
00:51:39.82	Jeff Jacob	We need access to it from the bottom up and just not from the top down. Thank you very much.
00:51:47.66	Jeff Jacob	Thank you.
00:51:47.68	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, Mr. Jacobs.
00:51:49.35	Mayor Kellman	Okay, and the next public speaker, please search.
00:51:51.63	Serge	Our next speaker is John B. John, you're being unmuted and asked to share your video.
00:51:57.40	John DeRay	Well, thank you. I'm having bandwidth problems. It's John DeRay.
00:52:01.53	John DeRay	I just had a couple quick questions. I understand you can't answer the questions, but I'll bring them up anyway. Just wondering if this flooding, the projected flooding includes subsidence, settling of the Bay Phil and also the rising of the water table.
00:52:19.30	John DeRay	TO THE CITY.
00:52:20.62	John DeRay	Thank you.
00:52:22.05	Mayor Kellman	Great question, Sean. We'll connect with CASA. It's hard to pick subsidence if you don't have the right LiDAR data, but it does include some of the LiDAR data in the map.
00:52:31.28	Mayor Kellman	Okay, any other public comment on just the sea level virus presentation?
00:52:35.82	Serge	Madam Mayor, I see all their hands raised.
00:52:38.49	Mayor Kellman	Okay, well thank you again to fellow council members and we will
00:52:42.05	Mayor Kellman	then move on uh again this is available will be available online hopefully next week
00:52:47.72	Mayor Kellman	All right, onto item number two, which is the action minutes of the previous meeting. Any,
00:52:53.68	Mayor Kellman	comments from council members and then we'll have to public comment
00:52:59.67	Mayor Kellman	Okay, not seeing any surge, any public comment on the meeting minutes.
00:53:05.83	Serge	And a mayor, I see no hands-free for
00:53:08.70	Serge	a bit for all of the minutes.
00:53:10.42	Mayor Kellman	Okay, and then how about a motion to approve in a second?
00:53:14.86	Serge	I'm sorry.
00:53:15.48	Serge	It appears that we do have one member of the public that has just raised their hand.
00:53:21.66	Mayor Kellman	Okay, this is as to the meeting minutes only.
00:53:25.40	Serge	Okay, for two minutes.
00:53:26.18	Mayor Kellman	Two minutes.
00:53:28.36	Serge	Cindy Egging.
00:53:30.16	Serge	You didn't unmute it and ask if you shared your video.
00:53:39.51	Serge	Cindy, you're willing to unmute on your end.
00:53:45.65	Ian	you
00:53:50.58	Mayor Kellman	Bye.
00:53:51.04	Mayor Kellman	It may be that
00:53:53.26	Mayor Kellman	the speaker like others in town myself uh having bandwidth issues so uh we'll look for that hand again uh hopefully another item um okay thank you
00:54:03.37	Mayor Kellman	All right, so then I'm looking for a motion and a second on the meeting minutes.
00:54:07.83	Mayor Kellman	I'm going to open.
00:54:09.33	Mayor Kellman	Okay.
00:54:10.17	Mayor Kellman	Okay, great.
00:54:10.95	Mayor Kellman	Can you please call the roll?
00:54:13.40	Serge	Council member Sobieski.
00:54:21.99	Serge	Calum.
00:54:22.96	Serge	you
00:54:23.47	Serge	Great, for some reason your voice is not coming through, but I can see your mouth moving from you. Council member Cleveland Knowles.
00:54:31.77	Hoffman	Yes.
00:54:32.95	Serge	Council member Hoffman.
00:54:34.27	Hoffman	Yes.
00:54:35.11	Serge	Vice Mayor Blausdean.
00:54:36.73	Hoffman	ASSISTANT.
00:54:36.97	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:54:37.53	Serge	and Mayor Kelman.
00:54:38.79	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
00:54:40.38	Mayor Kellman	Very great. Thank you all. I'll move on to the consent calendar. So we have five items. As you know, matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial. Require no discussion or expected to have unanimous council support. It may be enacted by the council in one motion, but there will be no separate discussion of consent calendar items.
00:54:57.41	Mayor Kellman	However, before the council votes on a motion to adopt the consent calendar, members of the public or council members or staff may request that specific items be removed from the consent calendar for separate action. So let me just list the five items. 3A is the quarterly report developed for the CFS off-seater from the Southern Marin Fire Protection District.
00:55:16.44	Mayor Kellman	3B is library Q3 report for fiscal year 2021-22.
00:55:20.84	Mayor Kellman	3C is a fire season outlook and current preparations. 3D is adopting a resolution of the city council, the city of Sausalito accepting the gate six intersection modifications project as complete and direct the city engineer to file a notice of completion. And item 3E is a November 8th, 2022 consolidated election, key dates and events. Council member Sobieski.
00:55:42.48	Sobieski	I'd like to put 3E off the consent calendar, please.
00:55:46.36	Mayor Kellman	OK?
00:55:48.74	Mayor Kellman	Anybody else wish to make a comment? Councilor Cleveland, also.
00:55:51.20	Cleveland	Thank you.
00:55:51.61	Cleveland	Yeah, I don't want to pull anything off the consent calendar, but I did just want to make a comment that we used to have
00:55:57.92	Cleveland	Chief Tubbs gave some really excellent presentations on
00:56:02.49	Cleveland	pre-fire season. And I would just note that I don't think we've, we've had these on consent for about two years now.
00:56:08.89	Cleveland	and haven't heard from the chief. So whether it's something recorded and put out in occurrence or some other form, I think it's really important
00:56:19.79	Cleveland	As fire season rolls around to get this information out to the public.
00:56:25.41	Cleveland	He always gives a really thorough presentation.
00:56:28.28	Cleveland	and has some good
00:56:30.61	Cleveland	and has the ability to answer a lot of good questions so I would just note that we really haven't
00:56:35.42	Cleveland	invited him to speak in quite a while and encourage us to do something to promote the information in those items.
00:56:42.61	Cleveland	Thank you.
00:56:42.62	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:56:43.67	Cleveland	Thank you.
00:56:43.68	Mayor Kellman	Thank you. And city manager could tell us the last time, I do believe we invited him to speak several months ago, as you indicated, and he was unable to. So perhaps next time, if you cannot join a video, would be great, so great idea.
00:56:56.86	Mayor Kellman	Any other comments from council members?
00:57:01.82	Mayor Kellman	Okay, we'll bring up to public comment. I do see one hand raised.
00:57:08.46	Serge	Arthur, you've been unmuted and after you share your video.
00:57:17.16	Jeff Jacob	Okay, this is Jeff.
00:57:18.89	Jeff Jacob	for the final three minutes.
00:57:21.35	Jeff Jacob	of tonight.
00:57:23.39	Jeff Jacob	I'll talk about 3E, and 3E is initiative.
00:57:29.75	Jeff Jacob	that
00:57:31.10	Jeff Jacob	Council member Sobieski wanted to take that off the consent calendar. I'm not
00:57:35.00	Jeff Jacob	sure what his reasoning is
00:57:37.36	Jeff Jacob	But I think it's really important that people now
00:57:40.74	Jeff Jacob	with the amount of money that was disclosed today in the IJ and the amount of money that's being paid to consultants get a chance to have a public voice on whether they think this is the right way to go or not.
00:57:51.69	Jeff Jacob	And a tried and true way to do this, and not just for a parking lot.
00:57:57.36	Jeff Jacob	where the ferry landing is.
00:57:59.18	Jeff Jacob	or a park.
00:58:00.41	Jeff Jacob	Yes.
00:58:01.07	Jeff Jacob	to have an initiative
00:58:02.80	Jeff Jacob	on the ballot and so
00:58:04.57	Jeff Jacob	I'll go see Serge about this.
00:58:06.59	Jeff Jacob	and he'll tell me when the deadline is.
00:58:09.29	Jeff Jacob	We only have to have 10% of the signatures of the people.
00:58:12.67	Jeff Jacob	Thank you.
00:58:14.78	Mayor Kellman	Thanks very much.
00:58:16.34	Mayor Kellman	Any other public comment on consent?
00:58:19.20	Serge	Madam Mayor, I see no other hands raised.
00:58:21.59	Mayor Kellman	Okay.
00:58:22.25	Mayor Kellman	So who would like to make a motion taking into account Councilmember Sobieski's request?
00:58:29.81	Hoffman	I'll make a motion to approve the agenda except item E. That I believe that's the item that council member Sobieski was to remove from the agenda.
00:58:39.89	Hoffman	Okay.
00:58:41.20	Hoffman	Right?
00:58:42.35	Cleveland	And will we hear that immediately?
00:58:44.97	Mayor Kellman	CONSENT?
00:58:46.23	Mayor Kellman	No, I believe we'll hear that as item 5C, because we do have a fair amount of public here, I believe for probably the housing element item.
00:58:55.53	Mayor Kellman	So can you please call the roll, sir?
00:58:57.88	Serge	Council Member Zawieski.
00:58:59.12	Serge	Yes.
00:59:00.25	Serge	Councilmember Lenon.
00:59:01.89	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
00:59:02.84	Serge	Council member Hoffman.
00:59:04.05	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
00:59:04.78	Serge	Vice Mayor Blomstein.
00:59:06.51	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
00:59:07.26	Serge	May I come in?
00:59:08.32	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
00:59:09.77	Serge	Motion passes.
00:59:10.97	Mayor Kellman	OKAY, GREAT. THANKS VERY MUCH.
00:59:12.98	Mayor Kellman	We have no public hearing items tonight. So we'll move on to business items. And the first part of the first business item is item 5A, the six cycle housing element update and consideration of forming a housing element working group, Heidi Scobor, our community development
00:59:27.74	Mayor Kellman	uh,
00:59:28.47	Mayor Kellman	from the Community Development Department will be giving the presentation.
00:59:32.05	Mayor Kellman	Yeah.
00:59:32.45	Heidi Scoble	Thank you.
00:59:32.47	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
00:59:32.65	Heidi Scoble	Mayor Kellen and members of the city council. Thank you for the opportunity to provide an update on housing element. Let me pull up my presentation.
00:59:42.70	Heidi Scoble	I'll be providing a brief summary overview and we'll be able to field questions after this presentation. We also have Beth Thompson, our housing element consultant here with us this evening, and she can also help to field any questions that you may have. So the purpose of this item is really to provide a progress report on where the housing element is to date. And also to have council consideration regarding whether or not we should establish a housing element working group.
01:00:13.85	Heidi Scoble	So in this presentation, we'll quickly provide a brief background and chronology to date, a summary of the town hall that we had last night, a discussion on schedule and consideration of a working group, and then again, the field questions.
01:00:29.69	Heidi Scoble	So with that, as the council may know that the state of California requires all cities and counties to update their housing element every eight years.
01:00:37.94	Heidi Scoble	We're currently planning for our sixth housing cycle. Our last housing element was approved for the 2015 to 2023, and now we're planning for 2023 to 2031.
01:00:50.08	Heidi Scoble	We're planning for 724 units, which is the most amount, I mean the biggest amount that POSC LADAR has ever had to face. And we're planning for 200 very low income units, 115 low income units, 114 moderate units, and 295 above moderate units. I have a slide that can briefly summarize what this actually means relative to very low, low, moderate and above moderate rates.
01:01:14.46	Heidi Scoble	The city did appeal this regional housing needs allocation to a bag and MTC at this past August to September. And then October, the hearing was heard and unfortunately the city lost the appeal and we're having to plan for this amount of units. The challenge is that this housing element is
01:01:38.71	Heidi Scoble	requiring us to face is that softly there was a very dense community, relatively built out. There's little to no vacant land. And to add to that, the state is requiring that non-vacant parcels have to confirm development interest. That means that we have to plan for
01:01:57.66	Heidi Scoble	if we are going to count these non-vacant parcels, the property owner has to agree to a certain unit count for us to be able to count it.
01:02:07.62	Heidi Scoble	So in this next slide, you'll see the city's arena allocation and what it means to affordability. This presentation has been uploaded to the agenda and one can access it at any time, but you can basically see generally what those income rates
01:02:24.58	Heidi Scoble	Really too.
01:02:28.26	Heidi Scoble	So some housing element planning effort milestones that we have faced to date is that in February of 2021, the city council established an ad hoc committee to review proposals for the housing element to select a consultant and also to help develop the formation of a housing element advisory committee, which we refer to as the HEAC. In April of 2021, the city council adopted a resolution to form the HEAC. And in June, 2021, the city council approved Thank you. as the HEAC. In April of 2021, the city council adopted a resolution to form the HEAC. And in June, 2021, the city council approved a resolution to enter into a professional services agreement with DeNovo Planning Group. And that effort is led by Beth Thompson, the principal with DeNovo Planning Group.
01:03:09.55	Heidi Scoble	And in July, 2021, the city council made the appointments to the GIAC.
01:03:15.12	Heidi Scoble	And from October to present, the HEAC has conducted six public meetings. There have been two town halls, one of which was last night.
01:03:23.20	Heidi Scoble	We've issued two community surveys, a service provider and developer stakeholder survey and conducted two focus groups. Focus groups consisted of stakeholder service providers and community organizations and one regarding housing barriers and constraints.
01:03:42.54	Heidi Scoble	So some of the other challenges that we faced regarding these milestones is that it was originally envisioned that, you know, once the professional services agreement was de novo planning, was it approved in June, that the housing element would commence shortly thereafter once the P-Act members were appointed. but due to some staff turnover, we started the process in October and there have been some delays and hiccups throughout the way, again but due to some staff turnover, we started the process in October and there've been some delays and hiccups throughout the way, again, due to staff turnover.
01:04:15.88	Heidi Scoble	So the purpose of this slide is to provide a recap of the town hall that occurred last night. We had about 111 participants join this meeting. What was discussed was an overview of the housing element, how will Sausalito meet its housing needs? But there was a discussion on opportunity sites and there were some interactive polling activities and we did receive public comments.
01:04:42.31	Heidi Scoble	So regarding the discussion on the housing element overview, there was a discussion on what elements
01:04:50.48	Heidi Scoble	are included in the housing element and the graphic, the upper right of the slide kind of provides an overview of what the housing element will contain. And there was also a discussion on community engagement opportunities as part of the housing element update process. There are four,
01:05:09.06	Heidi Scoble	scheduled town hall meetings that will occur. There are still multiple HIAC meetings that are scheduled and there will be opportunities for the public to participate during the draft.
01:05:19.27	Heidi Scoble	housing element review process, the draft environmental impact review process, final environmental impact report process, and then also the final approvals.
01:05:31.75	Heidi Scoble	So though, regarding how softly it will meet its housing needs, there was a discussion on the regional housing needs allocation. There was a discussion on housing types and density and scale and what that might look like. There was a discussion on opportunity sites, what would be a suitable site criteria to meet the different affordability levels.
01:05:52.36	Heidi Scoble	there was a discussion on existing affordable housing and what capacity the city has with its current housing opportunities what was most interesting is that our housing consultant has identified to date that with our current sites whether they're vacant or you could add additional accessory dwelling units or sb9 units or projects that are in the queue and the city can count 199 sites towards its 724 units which means that we have 525 additional units to plan for and a little buffer that we also have to plan for with this effort the city also needs to identify 6 to 11 acres of land to be zoned for multi- multifamily mixed-use housing to be able to accommodate our low-income arena requirements. And then I already discussed that the polling activities, which was really fun. If you didn't participate, the video is available and you can see that when the housing opportunity sites were discussed in real time, you could enter in what you thought and you can see that when the housing opportunity sites were discussed in real time, you could enter in what you thought and you can see the different opinions regarding the different sites and what type of housing one could vision at those sites.
01:07:08.78	Heidi Scoble	And regarding the public comments at the end of the town hall, 17 public comments were received. Some of those comments included a request for in-person meetings. There were discussions regarding Cypress Ridge, the Marineship, individual lots, and there was a discussion on referring to a sensible housing Sausalito document that's been prepared.
01:07:31.82	Heidi Scoble	So onto schedule. So last night's town hall, this slide was presented to the community and it identifies the community engagement schedule.
01:07:41.45	Heidi Scoble	It identifies the different town hall workshops that are planned and the different opportunities to
01:07:48.04	Heidi Scoble	allow the public to be engaged during the different milestones.
01:07:52.09	Heidi Scoble	What's of concern regarding this community engagement schedule, and if you look to the far right, it identifies when the city council is expected to adopt the housing element document. And it looks like it is set to occur in February, 2023, where the city is trying to have this document approved in January, 2023.
01:08:17.64	Heidi Scoble	if the city doesn't adopt the housing element by january 2023 it just means that the city is going to be faced with a whole set of circumstances whereby we're going to need to rezone all of our sites to meet our housing element within a year whereas if we're able to meet our schedule then then we have three years to do the rezoning abbott chambers our director of communications sent me an article today that was really interesting that in southern california those cities and counties are on a different schedule and they were required to submit their housing elements um and ahead of time and i believe only six out of all the southern california communities were actually able to get their housing in time. So this is a systemic problem that both Southern California, Northern California municipalities and counties are facing. So this is a real problem and we need to have a discussion on what this means in terms of do we want to try to stay on schedule and what does that look like? And Beth can speak to that this evening, or do we just accept that we may not meet our schedule and we have to reel in the effects of that and then have a conversation as to what the consequences of missing our deadlines would be?
01:09:38.35	Heidi Scoble	So with this slide, it shows the schedule that was attached to the staff report as part of this agenda. As you can see, the schedule has kind of shifted a little bit, this has not been updated. So this slide does show or identify that we are on,
01:09:59.41	Heidi Scoble	on schedule, but we're now gonna have to shift everything a month or two forward.
01:10:09.58	Heidi Scoble	So with that, it does present an opportunity to talk about consideration of creating a working group. The purpose of this working group would keep the housing element on track should the council consider wanting to have this group. This group wouldn't necessarily supersede the HEAC, but it could be done to help focus and refine the process to date and allow things to move forward. And the working group would be similar to a working group that was established as part of the general plan in 2020. The recommendation if the council does consider pursuing this route would be that the council would have two members of the city council and two members of the planning commission act as part of this working group and the working group would be subject to the ground act so these meetings would be public meetings and agendized
01:11:07.63	Heidi Scoble	So with that, that concludes my update and both I and Beth are available to answer any questions you may have.
01:11:15.77	Mayor Kellman	Great, thank you, Heidi. I just wanna also thank you. I know you have been our common thread holding onto this through some iterations of the planning department and it's a huge lift. So just an enormous thank you to you for staying with us and helping us keep the consistency and really focused here. So much appreciated. Beth, thank you for joining tonight as well. I know that you guys have,
01:11:40.94	Mayor Kellman	really put a lot of effort into this. And last night's effort was one of those examples. So thank you. So let's open it up to council questions. Yeah, councilman Rottman.
01:11:51.41	Hoffman	So one of the things that I was wondering when I was reading through the staff report, which by the way, I thought was a great job and sort of
01:11:58.78	Hoffman	giving us a synopsis of where we're at and the challenges we have with our, with getting started with HIAC and the late start we got and then
01:12:07.40	Hoffman	kind of where we are in the schedule.
01:12:09.55	Hoffman	You know, the questions to Heidi and Beth are, you know, this proposal for a working group, what exactly would be the scope for the working group? And, you know, is it your recommendation, Beth and Heidi, that this is necessary and that we should move forward on that path?
01:12:33.98	Heidi Scoble	I'll defer this question to Beth as the expert.
01:12:37.17	Beth Thompson	I think it would be very helpful. The HIAC is a wonderful group of committed individuals, but it's also an unwieldy process to be nimble and responsive to. And so having a working group that could provide us focused input on sites, on public comments as we're going through this process would help us get to the HIAC with more focused information because right now we're giving them a lot to digest and a lot to discuss. So we're giving them huge amounts of sites. There's all types of constraints on the sites,
01:13:06.89	Greg	ON THE SCENE.
01:13:08.36	Beth Thompson	I feel like a working group would give us some local input
01:13:12.09	Beth Thompson	on a more regular basis where we can really have a focused discussion.
01:13:16.37	Beth Thompson	I typically consultants don't try to add additional groups and bodies into our schedules, but I feel like Sausalito is extremely unique. You have a limited number of sites. Almost all of your sites have one constraint or another on them. So there's really a huge balancing act and determining how and where to put the housing. So that was a really long answer to your question, but I would be heartily heartily embrace the working group.
01:13:42.07	Hoffman	Thank you. Thanks, Beth. I appreciate that.
01:13:44.81	Hoffman	Thank you.
01:13:44.82	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:13:44.84	Hoffman	Any other questions, Councilman Hoffman?
01:13:47.03	Hoffman	No, I'll probably have some follow-up, but go ahead and you can move on to the next council.
01:13:50.71	Mayor Kellman	Okay, great. Councilor Stephenals.
01:13:53.45	Cleveland	I actually wanted to kind of zoom out because I feel like
01:13:57.97	Cleveland	We have done a lot of work at the HEAC and haven't really had the chance for the full council to substantively engage. So I was really hoping that this focus of this presentation would be
01:14:08.80	Cleveland	more on the
01:14:11.23	Cleveland	the hard work that's going on right now. And I was hoping we would have had the draft opportunity sites
01:14:16.65	Cleveland	attachment attached to the agenda for tonight. So I guess my first question is why isn't that attached to our agenda? I think I had
01:14:26.68	Cleveland	emailed.
01:14:28.72	Cleveland	over the weekend about that. But also, you know, if other council members haven't really delved into that document, I would strongly recommend
01:14:37.32	Cleveland	that we do and perhaps Beth or Heidi could maybe summarize
01:14:41.83	Cleveland	the contents of that document and where we are in that process and when the council will be able to
01:14:48.51	Cleveland	um,
01:14:50.11	Cleveland	you know, when that document will be finalized.
01:14:53.78	Cleveland	Thanks.
01:14:54.22	Beth Thompson	I can just quickly summarize. So when we went to the town hall last evening, we did have a collective or a list of all of the sites. So we reorganized the sites based on all of the HEAC input as well as some input from staff and presented sites to the community on neighborhoods. So based on the neighborhoods of Sausalito identified in the general plan. So we do now have a single list of sites which had been a request of the HEAC. And so we have a single list of sites that can be reviewed. These will continue to be refined, and they may need to be added to because a number of the sites, of course, are constrained by requiring a voter initiative or a ballot measure to place housing on those sites. So we anticipate taking the town hall input back to the HIAC at the end of this month and hopefully getting a final list of sites. We would be happy to work with staff to also bring those to the council.
01:15:45.67	Beth Thompson	and the Planning Commission to get further feedback. The longer we take to finalize the sites, the longer it takes us to get the draft environmental impact and report underway. And that continues to extend our timeline
01:15:57.82	Beth Thompson	In terms of the adoption deadline, so the council has
01:16:02.44	Beth Thompson	from the the January 31st 2023 deadline if you have 120 days after that deadline to have a housing element that's certified before the one-year rezone penalty
01:16:13.80	Beth Thompson	KICKS IN.
01:16:14.91	Beth Thompson	And
01:16:16.19	Beth Thompson	The issue with all of the Southern California governments isn't that they haven't adopted housing elements is that their housing elements aren't being certified by the state so they're going through the review process they're making revisions they're making multiple revisions and they're still not being certified and so I do want to.
01:16:31.92	Beth Thompson	Just raise that as a concern that you even even if you adopt in January of 2023, you still may not have a housing element that's certified just based on everything we're seeing in Southern California.
01:16:45.45	Cleveland	Great, thanks. I mean, I guess I'm just, we're having this meeting tonight. We've got you here.
01:16:49.69	Cleveland	I wasn't actually suggesting that we add any time in the process, but we do have a draft list from our advisory committee
01:16:56.78	Cleveland	ready to go. And it does seem like before
01:17:00.85	Cleveland	I mean, I just was kind of thinking this meeting would be our meeting to comment on this. So we'd be rocking, be ready to go and give that feedback back to the HIAC
01:17:10.21	Cleveland	and not lose any time in our schedule.
01:17:12.67	Cleveland	So I just...
01:17:15.22	Cleveland	I think we should think carefully about how we organize our time
01:17:21.03	Cleveland	and the
01:17:22.82	Cleveland	the points where substantive counsel consideration
01:17:27.68	Cleveland	are needed before we get out ahead.
01:17:31.71	Cleveland	of ourselves. And as we all know, once we start the draft environmental review process,
01:17:36.87	Cleveland	If there are sites that aren't in there that we wanna add later, that's gonna add time.
01:17:41.95	Cleveland	to do additional environmental work.
01:17:44.42	Cleveland	So we need to make sure we have a complete list. And to your point, Beth, about needing...
01:17:44.57	Greg	.
01:17:44.62	Ian	Absolutely.
01:17:49.80	Cleveland	Yeah, we've got a lot of voter initiatives in Sausalito that restrict our ability to provide housing. So I don't think we're going to get a list at the end of the day that doesn't have some kind of
01:18:00.73	Cleveland	voter approval.
01:18:04.04	Cleveland	probably. So that's, I think, just a reality and even more important that we get to our
01:18:10.13	Cleveland	ability to rezone with a lot of extra time because we're going to need to
01:18:15.33	Cleveland	talk about community buy-in.
01:18:17.37	Cleveland	So anyway, if that list, if the drop that opportunity sites list isn't posted tonight, I think it should be posted to our agenda and sent.
01:18:26.06	Cleveland	to the council office.
01:18:27.33	Cleveland	Um,
01:18:28.51	Cleveland	for discussion.
01:18:30.94	Heidi Scoble	And just for clarification, are you looking for the list that would be updated that would include last night's town hall or just the list that we've been reviewing to date or those maps that we posted for the town hall?
01:18:48.00	Cleveland	So when I asked you if we had a list, you sent me a list.
01:18:51.76	Cleveland	It says draft opportunity sites with potential to increase capacity.
01:18:56.15	Cleveland	So...
01:18:57.16	Cleveland	I think whatever, if we need a map that goes with that, then obviously the map, if there was some different, if it's reiterated since the weekend,
01:19:05.72	Cleveland	then
01:19:07.36	Cleveland	whatever that is, but I think that's like the heart of what we're doing right now.
01:19:12.18	Cleveland	Amen.
01:19:13.31	Cleveland	And so if the rest of the council doesn't want to see this list before we march onward, that's fine. The mayor and I are on the HEAC.
01:19:21.65	Cleveland	and we're
01:19:23.49	Cleveland	having that discussion, but it does seem like a pretty important, so it's up to other council members.
01:19:29.75	Cleveland	opportunity to weigh in and so did the mayor.
01:19:32.43	Ian	Wow.
01:19:32.64	Cleveland	Um,
01:19:33.68	Cleveland	but
01:19:34.31	Cleveland	I just don't want, I mean, this does seem like
01:19:37.38	Cleveland	the fundamental task.
01:19:39.82	Cleveland	that we asked our advisory committee to do
01:19:42.88	Cleveland	and they are advisory to us. And so I'm just kind of, we need to have the point where they come
01:19:50.56	Cleveland	and we have the draft list,
01:19:52.48	Cleveland	So I think we should be
01:19:54.47	Cleveland	making sure this is a list we're comfortable with.
01:19:58.07	Heidi Scoble	And I'd like to apologize for not including that in there.
01:20:01.71	Heidi Scoble	since I've been picking up the pieces on this housing element project to date,
01:20:06.60	Heidi Scoble	It appears as though that there wasn't any reference for this to go back to the city council for review. And so that was my misunderstanding. So if the city, similar to what Beth had stated, if the city council would like us to come back with the list for the city council to vet, we'd be more than happy to do that. But it was my understanding that the HEAC would be doing the heavy lifting, identifying the sites that would be included in the environmental documents.
01:20:33.74	Mayor Kellman	You know, Heidi, let's thank you for that. And let's put a pin in that. Council Member McLevin-Nulls is making some really excellent points and I think we should discuss that it's not on the agenda for tonight to be able to review it and we don't have it.
01:20:44.98	Mayor Kellman	but we should talk about how that happens.
01:20:48.13	Mayor Kellman	So thank you for raising that.
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01:20:51.49	Mayor Kellman	OK, Vice Mayor, I see you have your hand up.
01:20:54.55	Vice Mayor	Yeah, and I would echo Councilmember Cleveland Knowles' concern about that. I was hoping to have an update on what sites have been looked at. And this was a really great timeline and overview of where we are. So, and I know Heidi, you're really picking up a lot of pieces on this and there's a lot on your plate with the housing elements. So thank you to you for
01:21:13.73	Vice Mayor	all of the exhaustive work you've done. Beth, I was wondering if you could explain
01:21:18.71	Vice Mayor	why the Southern California housing elements are not getting certified so that we might at least take that in stride and think about it as we move forward with our own housing element.
01:21:29.97	Beth Thompson	Sure. So similar to Sausalita's experience, you've received an unprecedented RENA. So your allocation is over 800% of your previous allocation. And so many of the Southern California jurisdictions have received enormous RENAs. They have many areas that are fully built out. And so a big change from the fifth cycle to the sixth cycle is when you have underutilized sites, there's a requirement to demonstrate if more than half of your sites are underutilized that there's a realistic expectation that they'll become available during the cycle. So from 2023 to 2031. So where we have sites with existing commercial development or residential development, we need to be able to demonstrate that it's realistic that those sites could be developed and we're not just using those as a placeholder in hopes that it could be developed, but not really any actual data to back that up. So we've put out a property owner survey to assist us in knowing which property owners are interested in developing their sites. So the requirement that,
01:22:29.54	Beth Thompson	that the underutilized sites be realistic is a new requirement for this cycle so that's held up a lot of the jurisdictions because hcd has sent back their inventories again and again to say hey you haven't provided enough information you haven't provided enough data these sites aren't adequate and what hcd doesn't do is they don't identify which specific sites in your inventory don't meet their requirements they just tell a a jurisdiction that your inventory doesn't work. And so you're sitting there looking at hundreds of sites and trying to figure out, okay, and you talk to your reviewer and they are...
01:23:03.47	Beth Thompson	they are overworked as well at hcd so they don't always have a lot of time to go over the individual sites with you so it's been a really difficult cycle so
01:23:11.69	Beth Thompson	Part of it is the actual sites and going through these new, new hurdles to identify sites. So that's one of the reasons. And another reason is there's a new requirement called affirmatively furthering fair housing.
01:23:22.79	Beth Thompson	So Sausalito has to demonstrate
01:23:24.89	Beth Thompson	What fair housing issues are present in Sausalito? How you compare to the region? What your capacity is to
01:23:29.88	Unknown	YOU'RE COMPETITION.
01:23:31.70	Beth Thompson	enforce and encourage fair housing and then how the sites you've identified affirmatively further fair housing and create additional fair housing opportunities and this has been an evolving requirement and so HCD's expectations for what is provided for this topic have changed throughout the cycle and have continued to just become
01:23:53.78	Beth Thompson	more and more strenuous. So we're preparing anywhere. We initially started off preparing about 10 maps that have demonstrated different affirmatively furthering fair housing factors. And now we're up to some, in some jurisdictions, we submit like 30 to 40 maps identifying all of these fair housing issues. And so there's just a ton of data that the state's looking for. They have a lot of boxes to be checked off.
01:24:13.06	Greg	OR THEY HAVE A LITTLE
01:24:15.60	Beth Thompson	And so they're just kicking, kicking elements back for a number of these topics. And so
01:24:21.11	Beth Thompson	We're really taking all of that input from the Southern California jurisdictions and using that to inform what we're preparing for Sausalito in the hopes that we can check off a lot of the things they're expecting in this round.
01:24:33.01	Vice Mayor	Yeah, I watched the town hall and it was very, was nice to see that you had already reached out to the property owners and had feedback on which ones were interested or not interested so you could eliminate or add sites. It sounds like,
01:24:45.50	Vice Mayor	it's quite difficult to get HCD to sign off on the housing element. And we obviously appealed our arena and were unsuccessful
01:24:51.79	Vice Mayor	Is there any, how do we best work with HCD or do we have any room, should they say your housing element is not
01:24:58.93	Vice Mayor	I just want to set us up for success as much as possible and understanding what our
01:25:03.99	Vice Mayor	were able to ask HCD for or not would be helpful.
01:25:07.74	Beth Thompson	Right. And so,
01:25:09.24	Beth Thompson	there's not a lot of room for negotiation per se with hcd they they provide a letter they they identify where you need to make revisions but one of the things we've started doing is when we're making the revisions in your final housing element and when you adopt the resolution to approve your housing element we go through each of the state's findings and we demonstrate how your housing element responds to hcd's comments and we're hoping that it
01:25:32.63	Beth Thompson	to put the burden back on the state to find that you're not in substantial compliance by demonstrating that you have complied. And so we see this working in some of our Southern California jurisdictions where we've received
01:25:44.48	Beth Thompson	compliance letters that once certain changes are adopted or made to the housing element, the HCD will then certify the housing element. So we're waiting on a few of those, but we're hoping that that's a tool to assist us in getting some buy-off from HCD. And so we do also, when they're reviewing the housing element, when they contact us, if they have minor issues, we try to be really nimble, make those revisions, send them to staff to just give a quick thumbs up, and then we send those to the state.
01:26:10.02	Beth Thompson	and get their preliminary review of those changes. So wherever we can, we do try to send as many
01:26:16.76	Beth Thompson	as much additional data to the state to address their comments during their review period so we can knock out items off of their their review list
01:26:25.55	Vice Mayor	And then another question I had was just, as we were looking at the sites last night at the town hall, for example, it seems like they're just sites on a, I mean, it's just an outline of a map. Have any of the organization, cities you've worked with done visualizations of what potential housing could look like in those locations beyond just an image
01:26:43.12	Vice Mayor	Not that those images weren't helpful.
01:26:45.97	Beth Thompson	RIGHT.
01:26:47.20	Beth Thompson	So some jurisdictions do, a lot of them don't because it's expensive. So we did have an item on our scope of work to do visualization of about six or seven sites and we ended up shifting that work to OptiCoast because they're preparing the objective design standards for the city, design and development standards, the odds.
01:27:06.07	Beth Thompson	And so
01:27:07.30	Beth Thompson	OptiCoast will be doing that visualization on about six sites so that you'll have an idea of what those sites would look like under the objective design and development standards. And so we will have an opportunity for some of that information.
01:27:20.39	Beth Thompson	And then in addition to that, ABAC is actually doing some visualization work as well. And so I think the city will have a couple of sites that they can do through the ABAC process.
01:27:33.08	Vice Mayor	And also just on the point of appointing a working group or not, I mean, are most of the communities you're working with also having additional smaller working groups or just working with the housing element group as a whole?
01:27:45.59	Beth Thompson	Most of the cities do not have a HEAC, so they just have staff that we work with directly. In some cases, we have a general plan update advisory group if a general plan is being prepared concurrently with their housing element.
01:27:56.86	Beth Thompson	So we don't typically have a smaller working group, but I think in order
01:28:01.50	Beth Thompson	because we're seeing housing elements get kicked back so frequently from the state
01:28:05.62	Beth Thompson	I think it would be nice to be able to get some quick response and ideas about the way we're proposing to either refine the element, address sites, and it would help us move a little bit more quickly since the timeline continues to shrink.
01:28:20.69	Vice Mayor	But are you having issues with responses for members of the HIAC now?
01:28:24.96	Beth Thompson	No, we're not having issues with responses, but in terms of going through the sites and adjusting them, you know, we meet with the HIAC monthly. And so when we have one month between meetings, it takes a while to get back to the HIAC with a refined list to get their input. And in some cases, I think we have a number of sites that if we had additional information that we were presenting to the HIAC, like at the last HIAC meeting, Council Member Cleveland Knowles had identified, you know, it would have been really nice if you had given us all of the sites Thank you. had additional information that we were presenting to the HEAC, like at the last HEAC meeting, Councilmember Cleveland Knowles had identified, you know, it would have been really nice if you had given us all of the sites in one graphic, if you had provided it in a single graphic. And if we'd had a working group where they'd said that, hey, when you get to the HEAC, if you provide it this way, it'll make it easier. I think things like that would help the HEAC be more effective.
01:29:08.01	Vice Mayor	What if we just had more frequent HIAC meetings? Just because we have such a great group of people involved in the HIAC. I mean, it's a really strong group of volunteers who are really engaged and actively responding. So if you were going to do the additional meetings for the working group,
01:29:21.29	Vice Mayor	Would you do additional meetings for the FUHIE Act?
01:29:23.09	Mayor Kellman	Yeah.
01:29:23.92	Vice Mayor	I'm just trying to.
01:29:24.00	Mayor Kellman	I'm just trying to.
01:29:24.80	Mayor Kellman	I have an idea about it I'd like to share with everybody. Yeah. Good.
01:29:28.68	Ian	Thank you.
01:29:30.30	Mayor Kellman	Well, because we've heard from the consultant that she's definitely
01:29:30.43	Ian	Oh, because we've got a lot of people.
01:29:32.86	Mayor Kellman	thinks it would be helpful. And so one of the ideas that Councilman Kavanaugh-Knowles and I had discussed
01:29:38.24	Mayor Kellman	is a working group to augment the work of the HIAC. So just to allay any fears or not,
01:29:43.56	Mayor Kellman	necessarily to do away with the public input
01:29:46.92	Mayor Kellman	But to be able to provide the consultant with the detailed analysis, and to your point, Vice Mayor, let's take,
01:29:53.30	Mayor Kellman	visuals as an example.
01:29:55.32	Mayor Kellman	I know what SB 35 is. Councilman Cleveland-Knowles knows what SB 35 is. We both know what it can do to a property and a project.
01:30:02.71	Mayor Kellman	We haven't discussed it at the GI.
01:30:05.16	Mayor Kellman	And so those types of density bonuses are things that you need a familiarity with to really be able to understand.
01:30:11.83	Mayor Kellman	I think I would go back to
01:30:13.67	Mayor Kellman	I think this council member Sobieski originally talked about driving for a vision and planning holistically and understanding.
01:30:21.31	Mayor Kellman	what we wanna do in this community, not what we're being
01:30:24.25	Mayor Kellman	forced to do, but what this community needs us to do
01:30:27.82	Mayor Kellman	And it's tough because we're not on the same page about questions around the machine shop, well, there's a deed restriction. SB35, we haven't talked about it. Infrastructure, what is positioned next to something else? Last night, somebody said, don't lose avatars. Or you could always move that parcel, you know, avatars to the street, and you could still use that parcel. There's a lot of, I think, more nuanced aspects. And Beth and her team spent a lot of time educating the HIAC and HIAC has done a tremendous at UMN's work trying to come up to speed but after we have had I think almost every meeting has been six hours which even beats our council meetings and consultants still doesn't have what she needs so I think the ideas could we augment to do a lot of the granular heavy lifting in between, continue to engage the public, and then continue to give, because I fear we're gonna miss our timeframes,
01:31:23.66	Mayor Kellman	because it's just such a heavy lift.
01:31:26.75	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
01:31:26.80	Vice Mayor	With all due respect, Mayor Kellman, I had asked the consultant a question about if it would be possible for her as a consultant if the HIAQ meetings met more frequently and then I didn't get a chance for her to answer. So can we just... Okay, yeah, sorry Bruce, ma'am. Yes.
01:31:37.28	Mayor Kellman	Okay, yeah, sorry, Vice Mayor.
01:31:39.78	Mayor Kellman	No problem with respect to you as well. Why don't we hand it back over to the consultant.
01:31:45.21	Beth Thompson	HIAC could meet more frequently however that means my team so I'm anticipating a working group we would not prepare significant materials for the HIAC we prepare pretty detailed materials and if the HIAC meets more frequently we're taking that time away from actually preparing the housing element document to really focus on preparing more materials specific to the HIAC so and when when we have the HIAC meetings there's
01:32:09.60	Beth Thompson	So we have a lot of members of the HIAC and for every item we go through each of the HIAC members. So we've had meetings where we've had, you know, a hundred sites and...
01:32:18.96	Beth Thompson	50 of those sites are commented on HIAC member by HIAC member, which is why we're getting to those six hour meetings. And so my concern is, is that we're going to grind the HIAC members through a lot of detail and have, you know, have really lengthy meetings and still not have
01:32:35.18	Beth Thompson	completed our housing element task because we're preparing materials after materials for the HIAQ. So that was that's really my thought and why I felt like having a smaller focus group that we can vet some information with before we bring it to the HIAQ would make the HIAQ's time
01:32:49.66	Beth Thompson	more meaningful and more focused. And so yet we're not anticipating taking away from the HIAC, but rather just giving them some better materials to work with.
01:33:01.54	Vice Mayor	And would you anticipate, I'm just trying to understand
01:33:05.08	Vice Mayor	I mean, I see that what you're saying about the extra work materials, but I think that the, for instance, the general plan working group,
01:33:12.59	Vice Mayor	I was not part of the general plan working group, but I served on the general plan advisory committee. And the general plan working group's materials were vast and expansive and pretty much the same as the general plan committee meeting. In fact, it was just as much work for our consultants and I think they would tell you that. And so I'm just trying to understand how this would be different given the requests of what would be the working group versus the HIAC as a whole. And knowing how passionate our group is about wanting to engage and converse on these issues.
01:33:39.00	Vice Mayor	I'm just trying to
01:33:40.79	Vice Mayor	I mean, are you planning to just have an open discussion where you don't,
01:33:44.65	Vice Mayor	don't have any materials. Because from my experience with the general plan working group and the general plan advisory committee, members of the advisory committee actually
01:33:53.43	Vice Mayor	didn't have as much of a chance to engage in or weigh in on the things that the working group did. And I just don't want to see that happen yet.
01:34:00.67	Beth Thompson	Interesting. So, you know, we had not anticipated having a working group that we prepared detailed HIAC level materials for, but rather that we discussed the approach. We have materials like we just went through with Town Hall so we could we could show those again to the working group, talk to them about how we're bringing things to the HIAC and really get some some feedback on that. So we weren't
01:34:20.95	Beth Thompson	and maybe I have this
01:34:22.88	Beth Thompson	misinterpreted what is expected of the working group because I anticipated it would be very very focused in kind of vetting information and sites with them and and different approaches to policies and then taking information to the HEAC that's kind of
01:34:37.86	Beth Thompson	Not removing the opportunity for the HEAC to provide input, but really giving them some more refined information so they're not just sending us back to do more research that we could have done before we got to them.
01:34:50.20	Vice Mayor	Yeah, I just don't want you to think that there won't be a substantial amount of research and work required of you for a working group as well, knowing how judicious and
01:34:59.04	Vice Mayor	and smart with their questions all of our members. So I wouldn't expect it to necessarily be a lighter,
01:35:05.01	Vice Mayor	given the questions at hand here and the materials that we'd wanna be prepared, which I imagine the members of the HEAC would wanna see as well. I think that's about,
01:35:13.45	Vice Mayor	If for my questions, I'll pass it over to other council members. Thank you very much, Beth, and thanks, Heidi, for preparing us.
01:35:19.52	Mayor Kellman	Right, okay, so guys, this is just the question time, not the debate time yet. So I see two council members already
01:35:28.64	Mayor Kellman	So I just want to remind everybody of that. I would love to ask a couple of questions, but let me hand it over to councilor Sobieski, who has not had the opportunity yet.
01:35:37.56	Sobieski	Okay, well, I was behind the...
01:35:39.86	Sobieski	Jill and Susan.
01:35:41.02	Mayor Kellman	Yes, that's okay. And they both have already gone. So let's give you an opportunity and we'll come back down.
01:35:45.58	Sobieski	So, um,
01:35:48.35	Sobieski	Yeah, when will the whole city council get to see all the sites to approve their advancement to the EIR stage?
01:35:57.93	Sobieski	What's this schedule going?
01:36:01.32	Beth Thompson	And I'll coordinate with Heidi on that, but we're planning to go back to the HIAC at their May meeting and hoping to get final direction from the HIAC
01:36:08.94	Beth Thompson	on the sites, in which case we could bring those then to the city council for direction in June.
01:36:15.47	Sobieski	Um,
01:36:16.75	Sobieski	I have a question about entitlements, about what it means for these sites to end up in the housing element. I've asked this question actually
01:36:25.73	Sobieski	several
01:36:27.11	Sobieski	several people who have gotten different answers so.
01:36:31.97	Sobieski	And it seems to me a very pivotal question. So the question is, when we put something into the housing element, say we go all the way to January,
01:36:40.63	Sobieski	and we include site A.
01:36:42.57	Sobieski	in the housing element as a potential building site.
01:36:45.98	Sobieski	it is along with putting it into the housing element, there's a plan
01:36:50.87	Sobieski	for how to actually get to construction on that site. It includes changing the zoning let's say and doing various other
01:36:58.53	Sobieski	activities associated with making that actually happen
01:37:03.43	Sobieski	for example,
01:37:04.52	Sobieski	the site may require a valid initiative.
01:37:06.88	Sobieski	that would have to be put on the ballot.
01:37:09.01	Sobieski	and pass.
01:37:10.77	Sobieski	So my question is,
01:37:12.28	Sobieski	If a site is put in the housing element,
01:37:15.88	Sobieski	that we send to HCD.
01:37:18.21	Sobieski	the
01:37:19.25	Sobieski	But
01:37:20.01	Sobieski	It is, does not
01:37:23.30	Sobieski	and say the ballot measure doesn't pass.
01:37:26.44	Ian	Thank you.
01:37:26.95	Sobieski	So is the site
01:37:29.18	Sobieski	Are there any vested rights?
01:37:31.32	Sobieski	from the property owner by the inclusion of the housing element and by the inclusion of the property in the housing element
01:37:37.46	Sobieski	even if there was no change in zoning,
01:37:39.60	Sobieski	and no other entitlements granted to the property.
01:37:43.23	Beth Thompson	So,
01:37:44.35	Beth Thompson	And for sites with the ballot measure, I'm not sure exactly how that would happen. So typically what we try to do with the housing element is we don't wanna have the exact number of sites identified for rezoning that would, so say your short 525 units,
01:38:00.53	Beth Thompson	We don't want to identify a reason program that only looks at sites that total 525 units because yes, if you're short, then there's a presumption that those sites that you've identified. Will have to accommodate housing at the anticipated densities so if we want to make sure that you aren't put in a situation where your sites are.
01:38:13.37	Greg	that.
01:38:20.53	Beth Thompson	considered to be reasoned by the state. So we'll identify additional sites so that say a ballot major doesn't pass, you have some backup sites that you could then use. So that's why when we've talked to the community, we told them we need to have a buffer of sites and that way you have some flexibility as a city. So if there are constraints that are outside of the city council's control, you have other sites you can look at.
01:38:42.36	Sobieski	Well, that wasn't exactly my question. I appreciate the answer though. The exact question is, look, let's just be frank about a concern.
01:38:50.97	Sobieski	concern is that the site in the Marin
01:38:53.52	Sobieski	is placed as a potential housing site.
01:38:56.98	Sobieski	in the housing element.
01:38:58.56	Sobieski	that would require a valid initiative. The amendment of the fair traffic initiative actually may happen.
01:39:05.09	Sobieski	um,
01:39:05.80	Sobieski	If that doesn't pass,
01:39:07.40	Sobieski	Does under SB 35 the property owner and the merchant have the ability to sue and use SB 35 to
01:39:16.43	Sobieski	ignore the vote of the people and simply build property.
01:39:20.45	Beth Thompson	I wouldn't say that they have the authority to just simply build the property, but state law does specifically identify what happens if you don't rezone the site.
01:39:33.06	Beth Thompson	The state law says that should you not rezone the sites, you may not disapprove a housing development project nor require a conditional use permit, plan unit development permit, or other locally imposed discretionary permit
01:39:46.25	Beth Thompson	or
01:39:47.23	Beth Thompson	Impose a condition that would render the project and feasible if the housing development project is proposed to be located on a site that was required to be rezoned in your housing element.
01:39:56.48	Beth Thompson	and complies with all of the applicable objective general plan and zoning standards and criteria so if the site otherwise complies with all of your general plan and zoning requirements it complies with the odds that will be the adopted by the city then yes if you haven't rezoned your sites you would be obligated to allow housing
01:40:16.07	Beth Thompson	on on those sites. And so I don't know when
01:40:19.73	Beth Thompson	I don't know how...
01:40:21.11	Beth Thompson	that works for the Marin ship because housing there is constrained
01:40:25.30	Beth Thompson	BY MEASURES OTHER THAN
01:40:27.66	Beth Thompson	other than the zoning density that's allowed. So that's where I'm not quite sure, but you could have that problem definitely on sites that aren't constrained by an initiative.
01:40:37.87	Sobieski	what if you added the extra burden of having a community development agreement on a property owner? So you would put site A on the housing element
01:40:42.70	Greg	Yeah.
01:40:46.93	Sobieski	and you would say that we are going to rezone that property if
01:40:51.68	Sobieski	the property owner and the city agree upon a certain set of quid pro quo, public benefits in exchange for the right to
01:40:59.59	Sobieski	have the property rezoned.
01:41:01.56	Sobieski	and the CDA and the property owner
01:41:04.64	Sobieski	to arrive at an agreement.
01:41:08.75	Beth Thompson	And you're saying that as part of the rezoning program or to address the requirement?
01:41:15.30	Beth Thompson	THAT THIS
01:41:15.35	Sobieski	It's a garden.
01:41:16.25	Sobieski	part of the rezoning effort.
01:41:18.85	Sobieski	Again, we put a site A on the map. We say that there's
01:41:22.68	Sobieski	We will rezone it if we can get a CDA agreement between the city and the property owner.
01:41:28.31	Sobieski	the city and the property owner can never reach that agreement
01:41:31.37	Sobieski	So we're not gonna rezone that property. Instead we're gonna go, as you pointed out, we will have been putting more sites on the map than we need. So we'll go to one of the other sites to meet our Reno number.
01:41:42.30	Sobieski	My question is,
01:41:44.53	Sobieski	In that case for that property that we did not arrive at an agreement on even that we are meeting our RENA numbers with other sites.
01:41:52.36	Sobieski	There's that property owner who failed to arrive at an agreement with the city under a CDA
01:41:58.05	Sobieski	have any buy right rights to develop his or her property.
01:42:01.93	Beth Thompson	No, not if you've completed the rezoning to accommodate your arena. So if you've completed it and you're using other sites to accommodate your arena, no, there's there are no entitlements given to that property owner just because they were included as a site to be considered for rezoning.
01:42:16.32	Sobieski	Okay, so just to reiterate that, that is a profound thing you're saying.
01:42:20.00	Sobieski	And I appreciate that you're speaking with authority, but I also want to emphasize that
01:42:24.23	Sobieski	I've asked this question of several people who have credible authority on the question and gotten kind of different answers. And to me, this is a pivotal question that changes how we would think about mapping out our actions between now
01:42:37.99	Sobieski	and January and then between January and when we are actually changing the zoning.
01:42:43.32	Sobieski	but to reiterate your answer,
01:42:45.50	Sobieski	a site could be put in the housing element
01:42:49.23	Sobieski	with the CDA.
01:42:50.95	Sobieski	So long as we're able to meet our RHNA numbers through other rezoning that site
01:42:55.96	Sobieski	would not have any rights to be developed.
01:42:59.47	Sobieski	um,
01:43:00.30	Sobieski	would it actually be removed from the housing element then in some revised future version or?
01:43:05.58	Sobieski	Is it simply
01:43:07.52	Sobieski	live in a limbo.
01:43:08.95	Beth Thompson	So it would live in a limbo, so to speak. However, it's not included in your inventory of sites. It would be included as a potential site to consider for rezoning. So after you rezone your sites, your inventory will be updated. And those are the sites you've identified to accommodate your arena. So any sites that aren't rezoned would not be placed on your inventory. So it would be in that program in the housing element, but it would never become a formal site that the city has endorsed and identified and established.
01:43:39.95	Sobieski	Okay, so let me just...
01:43:42.16	Sobieski	ask you a related question then you've talked about having
01:43:45.59	Sobieski	Google building a little bit of a buffer.
01:43:48.04	Sobieski	between the number of sites we need
01:43:50.84	Sobieski	and the number we're going to do identify because there may be some
01:43:54.84	Sobieski	perhaps I'll be a few of them.
01:43:56.74	Sobieski	Um,
01:43:57.69	Sobieski	Bye.
01:43:58.35	Sobieski	If we have, say we have three property owners who own parcel A, parcel B, and parcel C.
01:44:04.22	Sobieski	uh,
01:44:04.98	Sobieski	if you
01:44:06.41	Sobieski	Why did you try...
01:44:07.36	Sobieski	the public benefit and you only needed one of those three parcels.
01:44:10.90	Sobieski	if you wanted to maximize the flow,
01:44:12.44	Sobieski	Who is it?
01:44:13.55	Sobieski	for
01:44:15.05	Sobieski	uh,
01:44:16.00	Sobieski	by creating the windfall to those property owners by re-owning their property.
01:44:20.13	Sobieski	than
01:44:20.94	Sobieski	presumably you would like to go to each of those property owner put all three on the on the housing element
01:44:26.73	Sobieski	even though you only need one.
01:44:28.33	Sobieski	and negotiate with all three a cda to get the maximum public benefit
01:44:33.85	Sobieski	And.
01:44:34.65	Sobieski	go with the one that
01:44:36.13	Sobieski	gives the city and the people of Sausalito the best deal however we define it.
01:44:40.38	Sobieski	and move on from there.
01:44:42.61	Sobieski	So why would we limit our housing element selection to just a modest margin above
01:44:50.34	Sobieski	the number we need instead of being
01:44:53.98	Sobieski	designing a process
01:44:55.72	Sobieski	that has a different role.
01:44:56.90	Sobieski	and that is maximizing the public good not just meeting our renin and her
01:45:01.17	Sobieski	that has a second goal,
01:45:02.68	Sobieski	of maximizing
01:45:04.13	Sobieski	the benefit to Sausalito.
01:45:06.44	Sobieski	And we can define many benefits because there are small town character,
01:45:11.20	Sobieski	uh not just preserving but enhancing the working waterfront providing housing to service workers artists
01:45:18.15	Sobieski	studios to artists providing money or public benefits for public infrastructure
01:45:24.58	Sobieski	that would
01:45:25.61	Sobieski	be needed to both
01:45:27.62	Sobieski	service the housing but also perhaps for the broader community
01:45:30.45	Sobieski	a wide range of benefits that we could negotiate if we
01:45:34.03	Sobieski	broadened our process to capture the windfall that we're otherwise giving property owners who zoning change.
01:45:34.13	Ian	Right.
01:45:42.53	Beth Thompson	I'm not sure.
01:45:42.85	Beth Thompson	I have never seen a community a community have such a process and I don't know what HCD's comments would be if you had a reason to me that's kind of a rezoning plus process because it's not a straightforward reasoning but you're actually doing some negotiation. I don't should HCD be on board with that I don't see a problem with that but when we've contacted property owners we have not received you know we've received interest from some property owners but
01:46:11.02	Beth Thompson	even with those interested property owners, we still might have a hard time getting to that buffer.
01:46:17.63	Beth Thompson	You may
01:46:18.80	Beth Thompson	when we bring those to you, you'll see what the inventory looks like and kind of where those opportunities are. And maybe there might be some ideas where there could be further increases in density or additional sites that could be added.
01:46:30.51	Beth Thompson	I think...
01:46:31.44	Beth Thompson	you will be
01:46:32.97	Beth Thompson	having a fairly tight number of sites to get through.
01:46:37.14	Sobieski	Well, thank you for your answer. It's an exciting answer, what you just provided. So thank you very much.
01:46:43.55	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, Councilor Sobieski. I'd like to follow up on that.
01:46:46.81	Mayor Kellman	Following up on that, Councillor Sobieski, I think phrased it as, why would we limit
01:46:50.59	Mayor Kellman	our housing element selection.
01:46:53.21	Mayor Kellman	And I think if I heard you correctly about this because
01:46:56.45	Mayor Kellman	We could not avoid development if we were out of compliance with our renal quota.
01:47:01.15	Mayor Kellman	So to play the other side of this story,
01:47:04.77	Mayor Kellman	if we were to put
01:47:06.52	Mayor Kellman	sites on the list and then find that they're not feasible and they drop out
01:47:12.92	Mayor Kellman	and sites remain on the list that we might not have wanted.
01:47:16.76	Mayor Kellman	WE CANNOT AVOID
01:47:18.97	Mayor Kellman	pursuing development with
01:47:20.93	Mayor Kellman	if in fact we were out of our meeting of quota.
01:47:23.63	Mayor Kellman	What I understood you just said.
01:47:25.20	Beth Thompson	Correct. If you do not, and it's not the quota in terms of developing the units, but if you have not rezoned enough sites to accommodate the units in the timeframe mandated by state law, then yes, all of those sites that are identified as potential sites must be allowed pursuant to the specific requirements of state law.
01:47:44.88	Mayor Kellman	So in some ways you sort of roll the dice.
01:47:47.81	Mayor Kellman	with this strategy and you may find
01:47:50.66	Mayor Kellman	that you were presented with things that you can't deny and can't back out of
01:47:55.26	Mayor Kellman	um,
01:47:56.03	Mayor Kellman	in order to pursue a
01:47:58.28	Mayor Kellman	kind of boil the ocean type of scenarios.
01:48:03.32	Beth Thompson	It would really depend on how the negotiations with the property owners went.
01:48:07.73	Beth Thompson	I think you could,
01:48:09.56	Beth Thompson	We want to have extra sites in the reason program because some sites may not proceed for one reason or another, and a lot of those sites are going to be city owned sites so there won't be.
01:48:20.65	Beth Thompson	I'm not.
01:48:21.29	Beth Thompson	as much opportunity for negotiation with those sites. And then we will have some sites that are privately owned.
01:48:28.60	Beth Thompson	It would be a balancing act, definitely.
01:48:32.30	Mayor Kellman	It sounds like the devils would be in the details, the many details, and we'd have to really be
01:48:37.31	Mayor Kellman	fit to track and manage every single one of those. Am I correct on that?
01:48:42.22	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
01:48:43.20	Mayor Kellman	Okay. And then let me ask you this. There's some prior questions about what other communities have done.
01:48:48.66	Mayor Kellman	Have you ever seen a community
01:48:50.76	Mayor Kellman	that we're going to be
01:48:51.53	Mayor Kellman	Instead of trying to look at a one dimensional map and say, put it here, that looks empty, put it there.
01:48:58.72	Mayor Kellman	Have you ever seen a community
01:49:01.29	Mayor Kellman	in a more thoughtful planning type of manner, say, where could we put
01:49:06.99	Mayor Kellman	Senior housing.
01:49:08.29	Mayor Kellman	Let's just start there. We know we want that. Where would we put this?
01:49:12.12	Mayor Kellman	And then let's turn to the next bucket, right? Where would we put mixed use? What are our economic goals for the community such that we don't wanna just look at it at an empty shell and say,
01:49:26.14	Mayor Kellman	put it there because the developer told us he wants to build, but instead we plan for the community and we look at where such a mixed use would benefit most. Have you seen communities do that, actually deploy planning in front of site selection?
01:49:41.23	Mayor Kellman	Um.
01:49:41.53	Beth Thompson	you
01:49:41.70	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
01:49:41.75	Beth Thompson	we see that more in the general plan process and less in the housing element process because a lot of jurisdictions are just trying to get to their arena and they don't always have that flexibility to look at the type of housing that would go on a specific site i mean definitely mixed use versus multi-family we look at but in terms of looking for senior housing opportunities that doesn't always happen but there there's an opportunity to do that. And when we look at the affirmatively furthering fair housing component, we definitely will be looking at housing sites in terms of how they relate to different, different populations and including seniors.
01:50:19.08	Beth Thompson	So that is definitely a lens that we look at it through, but not quite in the manner that you could describe.
01:50:25.51	Mayor Kellman	Okay, and then for these other communities who have
01:50:28.41	Mayor Kellman	being committed as we have said we are to DEI and affordable housing.
01:50:33.51	Mayor Kellman	have they,
01:50:34.96	Mayor Kellman	started with a sort of a threshold policy
01:50:37.80	Mayor Kellman	TO INTEGRATE THAT HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN
01:50:43.19	Mayor Kellman	look at one portion and say great all the affordable housing is going to go down great all of the that all the 300 units are going to go you know and as opposed to this part of town only accommodates a single family have you seen that type of thoughtful planning where that commitment to dei and equity and affordability is truly integrated through town
01:51:06.90	Mayor Kellman	at the beginning of the process,
01:51:11.97	Beth Thompson	We see that in areas that are less constrained, but in areas that have a lot of constraints, we don't see that as much because the sites, some of the sites narrow themselves down, but that definitely, and we,
01:51:25.47	Beth Thompson	when we went to the community with the town hall, we tried to go neighborhood by neighborhood to highlight where we've identified sites and then get from the community if there are things we're overlooking or additional recommendations for each area. It didn't look at senior housing. It didn't look at integrating
01:51:41.03	Beth Thompson	of,
01:51:42.02	Beth Thompson	kind of at the smaller neighborhood level, which is the finer level of detail than the large neighborhoods that are identified in the general plan land you snapped.
01:51:51.29	Mayor Kellman	And Beth, how many responses did we get to the survey?
01:51:53.94	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:51:54.37	Beth Thompson	who over 500, I don't remember off of the top of my head, but quite a few.
01:51:58.96	Mayor Kellman	And how
01:51:59.25	Beth Thompson	I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO
01:51:59.54	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
01:51:59.57	Beth Thompson	OF FOLKS SHOULD BE
01:52:00.43	Mayor Kellman	showed up to the time on yesterday.
01:52:03.42	Beth Thompson	I, let's see, I wanna say about a hundred and, I saw 116, I think was the maximum participants, but I was not monitoring it. And I don't know, and I was going to check with Kerns and West if we get a total participant roll call at the end of the meeting or not. So we, but I know we had in it well over a hundred.
01:52:22.13	Beth Thompson	But I'm not sure exactly how many, since people kind of come and go during the meeting.
01:52:25.96	Mayor Kellman	And while that information is incredibly important and useful, and it's always excellent to be able to air that amongst the community, is that statistically significant to have 100 people in a community of 7,100?
01:52:39.84	Beth Thompson	statistically significant
01:52:43.16	Beth Thompson	It's hard to have a workshop that's statistically significant because you'll never have, well, it's hard to get a randomized sample of people that show up to make it a statistically significant randomized group of people. So that's hard.
01:52:56.76	Beth Thompson	So it probably would not be considered statistically significant. And that's why we have the survey, the workshops, the HIAC meetings, and a lot of different opportunities for the public to comment. And with the intent that over the course of these many, many different opportunities and engagement methods, we get input from a significant portion of the community, but not that any one
01:53:15.34	Beth Thompson	one tool in and of itself would be reflective of the whole community.
01:53:20.27	Unknown	Thank you.
01:53:20.37	Mayor Kellman	Thank you. Yeah, Council Member Sobieski always makes me think outside the box, so thank you for indulging my questions.
01:53:25.19	Mayor Kellman	That's all I had. Councilman Hoffman, back to you.
01:53:27.93	Hoffman	Thanks. So Beth, I think what I heard you say,
01:53:33.08	Hoffman	to Council Member Sobieski's question about entitlements,
01:53:38.31	Hoffman	I think we're also looking at, you know, just general consequences of including properties in, which is kind of a different question, but really I think his point, which is what are the consequences of including a property in the housing element plan
01:53:54.27	Hoffman	I believe I heard you say that if
01:53:56.70	Hoffman	you include it, but we didn't get it rezoned and we didn't meet arena number that that property owner can then build and has an entitlement to build, or I may not be using the right word, but I think that's what I just heard you say.
01:54:10.00	Beth Thompson	So,
01:54:11.26	Beth Thompson	if it and it's not meeting the arena in terms of the permitted number of units but if you have sites identified in the program to rezone those sites to accommodate your arena and you have not
01:54:23.36	Beth Thompson	rezoned adequate sites to accommodate your arena,
01:54:26.62	Beth Thompson	then those sites are allowed to proceed in a in a ministerial process but they must comply with general plan zoning and other objective standards so that's where you would
01:54:37.52	Beth Thompson	If you think you're not going to have adequate rezoning done in time, make sure you have objective standards that apply to all of your projects in place because you don't want to be faced with having to allow a lot of development by right.
01:54:49.87	Beth Thompson	without having the correct parameters to address it.
01:54:52.88	Hoffman	So I think when we come back, I assume we're gonna come back in June and look at the maps. That's one of the things I think we wanna know. And I'm interested in knowing that. I know council member Sobieski is interested in knowing that.
01:55:06.83	Hoffman	And so what are the consequences of including a site
01:55:10.56	Hoffman	in the housing element plan.
01:55:13.87	Hoffman	I THINK THAT'S A PART OF THE
01:55:15.47	Hoffman	either entitlements or whatever you want to call it.
01:55:18.83	Hoffman	So I'm interested in that. And then my second question is,
01:55:23.78	Hoffman	how does inclusion of sites in this housing element affect,
01:55:29.75	Hoffman	I know it's hard to see in the future.
01:55:31.57	Hoffman	but how's that gonna affect a future housing element requirement? Because if we include them in this,
01:55:37.85	Hoffman	in this housing element, can we or can we not include them in the next housing element we're gonna have to do
01:55:44.06	Hoffman	I don't know what, six years or eight years.
01:55:46.42	Beth Thompson	Okay, and so let me go back to the first, the rezoning requirement. So there is a requirement that those sites be allowed to proceed ministerially, but you may disapprove a housing development if there's a specific adverse impact on public health and safety, and the city can make a written finding related to that. So there is an opportunity to have some review over those sites, and if there are adverse impacts associated with those they would not proceed so I want to make sure that that's that's clear and then in terms of your seventh cycle housing element what it means to include a site in this cycle so for sites that have that are vacant that have been included in two or more cycles or sites that are I think non-vacant that have been included in one cycle
01:56:29.82	Beth Thompson	you then have to have a program in place to allow by right development. So if you continue to include sites year after year and nothing happens on them, then
01:56:40.10	Beth Thompson	you're in future cycles, you become more restricted as to what kind of, um,
01:56:46.26	Beth Thompson	discretionary approvals you can have on those sites. So that's the downside.
01:56:51.27	Beth Thompson	But if you include sites in a rezone program that aren't rezoned, but you still had adequate sites to accommodate your RHNA, the sites in those rezone program aren't part of your inventory. So they aren't considered part of that
01:57:04.03	Beth Thompson	the sites that are in the sick cycle. They are sites that are just being considered.
01:57:08.05	Beth Thompson	So there's a distinction between sites in your inventory versus sites that are just considered for rezoning.
01:57:14.24	Hoffman	So I think one of the things that we want to be careful about is unintended consequences from
01:57:20.75	Hoffman	you know, including or
01:57:22.24	Hoffman	over including sites in this cycle too. Like you have to be careful about that as well.
01:57:28.97	Hoffman	I think that's something that I would be interested in
01:57:32.60	Hoffman	you know, understanding when we start looking at actual maps and voting on opportunity sites.
01:57:37.73	Hoffman	So.
01:57:38.42	Hoffman	Okay, thanks. Thank you for responding to my questions.
01:57:42.67	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
01:57:42.69	Hoffman	Thank you.
01:57:42.71	Mayor Kellman	Let's go Councilman Cleveland-Knowles and then back to Councilman Bersowieski.
01:57:42.84	Hoffman	This is the...
01:57:46.98	Cleveland	Yeah, just one kind of clarifying question, comment, given some of the
01:57:51.74	Cleveland	and comments earlier. I just, I think we've got to think about this and I'm interested in best thoughts. There's two lists, right? There's our draft.
01:58:02.23	Cleveland	opportunity sites list. That's what we're talking about right now.
01:58:05.74	Cleveland	And that's only what we're studying.
01:58:08.02	Cleveland	And that will also give us an opportunity to review those for legal constraints and have our legal team and others working on those issues. So at the same time,
01:58:17.40	Cleveland	that DeNovo was doing environmental review.
01:58:20.64	Cleveland	we can look at those. So that's like what we're talking about now, just because we put something on the draft opportunity site list, doesn't mean we're gonna end up with these
01:58:29.96	Cleveland	of horrible consequences. Is that correct?
01:58:34.30	Beth Thompson	So that is correct. As long as you've narrowed them down when you adopt your housing element, yes.
01:58:41.13	Cleveland	So that's the list we're looking at now.
01:58:43.46	Cleveland	And that's the list that we need to get to by June to start the environmental review process. Is that correct?
01:58:49.75	Beth Thompson	That is.
01:58:50.87	Cleveland	Okay, and so yes, and I agree with everyone else, but I think it would be helpful now also to understand the consequences of what we adopt at the end of the day.
01:58:59.30	Cleveland	But I think we need to think about it in a two-phase process.
01:59:03.20	Cleveland	Beth, other than maybe a slight increased cost in an environmental review or maybe complexity, what are the downsides
01:59:12.55	Cleveland	of including various options in the draft review
01:59:17.33	Cleveland	list.
01:59:20.33	Cleveland	If we know, we know from prior experience, that's all we know.
01:59:25.43	Cleveland	that people are gonna start getting
01:59:27.74	Cleveland	you know, organized and we're going to have to drop out a significant number of sites. We just know that's going to happen.
01:59:33.53	Cleveland	So we need not only a buffer, but we need like a
01:59:37.63	Cleveland	A buffer for the buffer.
01:59:40.38	Cleveland	Yep.
01:59:41.90	Cleveland	But what's the downside?
01:59:43.16	Beth Thompson	The only downside really is the cost that there's, there may be additional environmental review requirements. You're planning to tear from the general plan EIR. So we'll really have to look at this list of sites in terms of how much coverage we have from the general plan EIR and how much additional analysis will need to be added to the, to this EIR. And if there is going to be a, you know, a cost increase associated with that. But in terms of the downsides, no, it gives you more flexibility as a body to look at sites, to consider community input and to remove sites. Now, if there are sites where
02:00:12.96	Beth Thompson	you know that it's as a body, you know that it's not likely that they'll ever be approved or they're not appropriate. They shouldn't be included because if they're, then we're just examining and looking at something that
02:00:24.69	Beth Thompson	is possibly diverting the public and HCD's time from the actual sites. And so it's nice to focus on the most realistic sites. But yeah, if there's a lot of sites that could go one way or the other, then yeah, there's really no downside other than the time and effort associated with them.
02:00:39.86	Mayor Kellman	Okay, thank you.
02:00:41.47	Mayor Kellman	That's from Sowiaskin.
02:00:47.35	Mayor Kellman	SO YOU'RE ON MUTE.
02:00:51.71	Sobieski	Yeah, I also, Council Member Cleveland would always ask my question too. So the inclusion of a site at this stage doesn't have any entitlement, it's just the risk
02:01:01.92	Sobieski	of inclusion after we adopt the housing element.
02:01:06.00	Sobieski	In your assessment of sites,
02:01:08.99	Sobieski	I know you send people out to ask people the question of,
02:01:12.43	Sobieski	are you willing to develop the property?
02:01:14.71	Sobieski	But...
02:01:15.53	Sobieski	uh,
02:01:16.70	Sobieski	from the point of view of doing a CBA, for the larger parcels that you have
02:01:23.79	Sobieski	identified on the list have you engaged in any kind of meaningful conversation about the range of possibilities and the willingness of
02:01:31.73	Sobieski	a property owner to
02:01:34.33	Sobieski	to provide benefits to the community in exchange for the right to redone their properties?
02:01:39.28	Beth Thompson	No, no discussion of benefits or amenities to Sausalito. So that would be a new lens to look at the sites through.
02:01:47.63	Sobieski	Thank you.
02:01:48.07	Sobieski	I attended the forum last night.
02:01:49.89	Sobieski	Um,
02:01:50.89	Sobieski	the choices we all had in the polling were between the equivalent of do you want fish, chicken,
02:01:57.74	Sobieski	Uh,
02:01:58.60	Sobieski	vegetarian or
02:02:01.10	Sobieski	kosher.
02:02:01.93	Sobieski	like,
02:02:02.99	Sobieski	And that was a choice for every site.
02:02:05.33	Sobieski	the devil's sort of in the details.
02:02:07.49	Sobieski	I might like him.
02:02:08.76	Sobieski	I might hate.
02:02:10.36	Sobieski	one version of a multi-unit property next to me
02:02:13.43	Sobieski	I might love a different version. One might be compatible with our architecture
02:02:17.87	Sobieski	one might be incompatible,
02:02:19.54	Sobieski	Um,
02:02:20.45	Sobieski	one might be accretive to the properties, one might not.
02:02:24.18	Sobieski	How do you account for the lack of
02:02:28.00	Sobieski	what you would call sort of integrated planning about how the sites work together and work with the community
02:02:33.43	Sobieski	in this entire process.
02:02:35.79	Beth Thompson	So the issue you've just brought up of how a site, how a development may occur, how it may look and fill is regulated by the city's zoning and objective design and development standards. So we're really focusing on the number of units that can occur on a site and identifying if needed where you may need to make changes to your zoning regulations or design standards to ensure that the maximum number that can be accommodated you have.
02:03:00.95	Beth Thompson	appropriate
02:03:02.37	Beth Thompson	standards in place to address the aesthetics form and function of the site. So that's that's how we're looking at that in terms of the holistic view of the city as we get
02:03:13.22	Beth Thompson	a better list of sites because we started off with,
02:03:17.29	Beth Thompson	500 or 600 sites when we first queried the city's, you know, the assessor database and came back with a lot of sites and we've been slowly
02:03:24.16	Beth Thompson	slowly culling that list.
02:03:26.55	Beth Thompson	So as we get a list that becomes more realistic, we can look at them more holistically and we can start looking at how developments being spread throughout the city. If there are areas that are underserved by housing or under
02:03:30.92	Greg	THE FAMILY.
02:03:30.96	Ian	Apparently.
02:03:37.91	Beth Thompson	um,
02:03:38.42	Beth Thompson	not sharing their fair share. And we can look at ways to integrate that. One of the things that starts happening though, when we identify sites, particularly for the very low and low income group, the state requires that those sites meet a minimum size threshold, unless the city has in the fifth cycle demonstrated development
02:03:56.78	Beth Thompson	of affordable housing of smaller sites or we have development projects that we can point to that are recent and would be appropriate. So we really have a size threshold when we're looking at parcels. And in some areas of town, there just aren't
02:04:12.44	Beth Thompson	sites with consistent property ownership that could meet that size threshold. So there are some barriers to having those be the sites in your inventory, but that's not a barrier to having other measures in place to ensure that those
02:04:26.83	Beth Thompson	that as development occurs in that area, there are very low and low income units being provided as well. You just may not get credit in your inventory for those units.
02:04:35.81	Sobieski	So earlier today, we heard a presentation from the chair of the planning commission who highlighted a letter that she wrote from the commission.
02:04:43.59	Sobieski	The first item being a recommendation to come up with a citywide master plan.
02:04:47.96	Sobieski	I understand that the sites that we're currently selecting and this piecemeal basis
02:04:54.71	Sobieski	are really built around the idea of how to get to our arena number. They're not really built around a theory of,
02:05:00.33	Sobieski	how we should
02:05:01.36	Sobieski	an ambition about how Sausalito should best serve itself
02:05:05.74	Sobieski	over not just this RENA cycle but every RENA cycle that we're going to have for the next two or three.
02:05:12.19	Sobieski	everyone costs you know this one costs almost a million dollars in fees the next one will probably be even more
02:05:18.40	Sobieski	um,
02:05:19.94	Sobieski	The planning commission is recommending having this citywide master plan.
02:05:24.48	Sobieski	the
02:05:25.35	Sobieski	the exercise of identifying units locations now
02:05:30.89	Sobieski	could very well, instead of being in this peaceful fashion of what could be built,
02:05:35.48	Sobieski	they could be further informed perhaps by the inclusion of
02:05:40.29	Sobieski	a coherent master plan that connects units together into broader goals in Sausalito.
02:05:46.14	Sobieski	Do you have the capacity
02:05:48.32	Sobieski	to
02:05:49.50	Sobieski	integrate.
02:05:50.43	Sobieski	an actual master planning element in the work that you are doing for this project?
02:05:56.02	Beth Thompson	We definitely could do that. So if you're looking at master planning for future renas, cause that's what I really see is you're not looking at sites just for this arena, but how are you going to carry forward over the lifetime of the community? What are the longterm plans to provide affordable housing through the next five or six arena cycles? We would really be looking
02:06:15.56	Beth Thompson	at
02:06:16.52	Beth Thompson	I think you would want this to be two-tiered. You want to still get your housing element certified on time. And I think the master planning effort to get that additional capacity is going to be a long process and not necessarily something that would be completed at the same time as the housing element that could be used to inform future housing element cycles. And I think a really,
02:06:38.17	Beth Thompson	and
02:06:40.51	Beth Thompson	One of the reasons you have such a large arena this cycle is that the city didn't demonstrate to ABAG during its initial plan Bay area process what your capacity was for housing or lack thereof. And so I think if you have a master plan that really identifies how you're planning to phase residential development and how you're planning to even reuse sites that aren't currently residential or provide new opportunities, it would really give you a good
02:07:06.65	Beth Thompson	to work with a bag early in the process so that your arenas are more reflective of your actual capacity, because this number is just
02:07:15.06	Beth Thompson	based on, you know, they just threw a number at Sausalito and it didn't really look at any of your constraints on the ground.
02:07:21.22	Sobieski	So if we look at more sites now in this preliminary phase rather than less,
02:07:25.39	Sobieski	the information we gather from the EIRR and other consideration of the site's public feedback, imagination about how the sites could work together,
02:07:33.16	Sobieski	could be
02:07:34.63	Sobieski	useful information for a master planning exercise like you just described.
02:07:40.15	Beth Thompson	Absolutely.
02:07:41.84	Sobieski	Thank you.
02:07:56.84	Mayor Kellman	Sorry, I froze there.
02:07:59.07	Mayor Kellman	Back then, okay. Well, excellent questions. You asked many that I had had in mind as well. And Beth, bravo to you for
02:08:07.32	Mayor Kellman	taking everything we swung at you today. It was a lot of information. As you can see, we were hungry for knowledge about the housing element as a group. So I really appreciate that very much.
02:08:16.97	Mayor Kellman	If it's okay everybody, let's just pause and let's see some public comment and then of course we'll bring it back up and give some direction.
02:08:26.78	Mayor Kellman	Serge, if you could help us share with public comment. I see some hands up.
02:08:30.93	Serge	Sure, Madam Mayor, we do have several public commentators. We'll start off with,
02:08:37.31	Serge	Jacob and Jacob you've been unmuted and I should share your video.
02:08:42.15	Jacob	Thank you.
02:08:42.32	Jeff Jacob	Thank you.
02:08:42.34	Serge	Thank you.
02:08:42.37	Jeff Jacob	Thank you.
02:08:47.75	Jeff Jacob	Hello, City Council. Hello, Madam Mayor.
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02:08:54.28	Jeff Jacob	It's a little difficult to listen to
02:08:57.30	Jeff Jacob	debate on building
02:09:01.05	Jeff Jacob	Very low income housing, low income housing, moderate income housing.
02:09:07.18	Jeff Jacob	and market rate
02:09:09.98	Jeff Jacob	Housing when
02:09:11.83	Jeff Jacob	In all of the years I've listened to this, there has been none
02:09:15.97	Jeff Jacob	Groves.
02:09:18.14	Jeff Jacob	Does.
02:09:20.81	Jeff Jacob	There can be.
02:09:22.70	Jeff Jacob	If we search our hearts,
02:09:26.46	Jeff Jacob	and our souls and even our minds and our wallets.
02:09:29.97	Jeff Jacob	a change from NIMBY,
02:09:32.23	Jeff Jacob	to Wimby, yes, in my backyard.
02:09:36.01	Jeff Jacob	That's
02:09:37.58	Jeff Jacob	When there was a war going on, there were 50,000 people that lived in Sausalito and Marin City.
02:09:45.16	Jeff Jacob	The idea that Sausalito has spent millions of dollars and proposes to spend millions more
02:09:52.89	Jeff Jacob	for 70 boats
02:09:56.43	Jeff Jacob	And
02:09:57.90	Jeff Jacob	25 people.
02:10:00.94	Jeff Jacob	with
02:10:03.00	Jeff Jacob	a fence around them at the tennis courts.
02:10:06.27	Jeff Jacob	That's your very low-income housing now.
02:10:10.30	Jeff Jacob	I would search your souls to find a place where you're not discussing this anymore, but you're doing it. And I think the way to start is a vacancy tax. That there are offices that were built by previous city councils, and there are houses that nobody lives in, that nobody writes in, that nobody types in, that nobody parks next to. And the idea that these places remain vacant just to keep the property values up,
02:10:37.12	Jeff Jacob	is unconscionable.
02:10:40.56	Jeff Jacob	Thank you.
02:10:42.08	Jeff Jacob	Happy night.
02:10:43.02	Jeff Jacob	Bye.
02:10:43.36	Serge	Thank you.
02:10:44.83	Mayor Kellman	Thanks very much.
02:10:47.97	Serge	The next speaker is Jeff Putman, and she has been unmuted and has to show you the video.
02:10:57.57	Unknown	Hi, so I wanted to comment on the formation of the HEAC working group.
02:11:04.51	Unknown	I believe at the beginning of this meeting it was said that the working group will be agendized so as not to violate the Brown Act so it seems to me that
02:11:18.26	Unknown	any HIAC member that is interested in putting in the extra time and effort to attend these working group sessions should be allowed.
02:11:26.70	Unknown	and it shouldn't be restricted to just four members, three of whom right now seem to be the existing city council members and the planning commissioner, or one of the planning commissioners.
02:11:42.66	Unknown	THE CITY IS A CITY IS A CITY
02:11:43.72	Unknown	especially given that there was an ethics violation at the last TEAC meeting with
02:11:49.90	Unknown	one of the planning commissioners bringing up
02:11:52.01	Unknown	Uh...
02:11:53.38	Unknown	an item not on the agenda
02:11:55.50	Unknown	that then went to vote.
02:11:57.26	Unknown	and it being an item that she should have recused herself from anyway given the housing site's proximity to her current residence. So
02:12:07.82	Unknown	Well,
02:12:08.94	Unknown	the working group makeup,
02:12:11.85	Unknown	despite the appearance of its impartiality to just speed the whole housing element
02:12:24.43	Unknown	um
02:12:25.56	Unknown	housing element report along.
02:12:27.48	Unknown	I think is going to have an outsized level of influence on
02:12:32.39	Unknown	what sites and what type of housing make it into the final report. And so therefore,
02:12:40.05	Unknown	the makeup of the working group should compromise
02:12:46.97	Unknown	whoever wants to be included in it from the HIAC, especially if
02:12:53.45	Unknown	it's already going to be agendized and not in violation of the Brown Act.
02:12:56.78	Unknown	Thank you.
02:12:58.80	Mayor Kellman	Thanks very much, Shane.
02:13:01.87	Serge	David Sutter, you've been unmuted and I have to share your video.
02:13:08.17	Jeff Putman	Good evening. Couple of items. One, as far as working group,
02:13:13.65	Jeff Putman	I mean,
02:13:15.03	Jeff Putman	I think we have to remember at the end of the day that the decision on
02:13:19.27	Jeff Putman	on this housing element is going to be at city council.
02:13:22.70	Jeff Putman	if the working group
02:13:24.32	Jeff Putman	reflects the majority of city council opinion
02:13:28.13	Jeff Putman	and it needs to be nimble, then I think working group is appropriate
02:13:32.53	Jeff Putman	I'm not sure.
02:13:34.27	Jeff Putman	you know, as a subset of here,
02:13:36.23	Jeff Putman	um,
02:13:37.93	Jeff Putman	And I got to see the
02:13:41.68	Jeff Putman	But my second comment is we really should have had
02:13:44.04	Jeff Putman	the
02:13:45.27	Jeff Putman	A TOWN HALL.
02:13:47.20	Jeff Putman	a week prior to this so that some of that material could be included in this conversation.
02:13:51.89	Jeff Putman	I think that would have been a really great idea.
02:13:54.49	Jeff Putman	And the third thing is today I got to see the Berkeley students
02:13:59.28	Jeff Putman	proposal for Caledonia Street. And I would note that
02:14:02.22	Jeff Putman	There.
02:14:02.86	Jeff Putman	There's
02:14:03.84	Jeff Putman	Before this, I hadn't really thought of how
02:14:06.98	Jeff Putman	City Hall could be redeveloped to add a substantial amount of
02:14:10.98	Jeff Putman	Thank you.
02:14:11.33	Jeff Putman	of housing. And I think that the Berkeley plan really highlights how
02:14:18.11	Jeff Putman	AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF HOUSES.
02:14:20.15	Jeff Putman	housing units could be of various different types can be put in a relatively compact site.
02:14:27.28	Jeff Putman	how it could really enhance the neighborhood in Sausalito.
02:14:32.26	Jeff Putman	And so
02:14:33.88	Jeff Putman	I think that's worthy of
02:14:37.00	Jeff Putman	getting more discussion around town and how that would help
02:14:40.96	Jeff Putman	And the numbers that they proposed were way in excess of
02:14:45.79	Jeff Putman	THE
02:14:47.07	Jeff Putman	of our
02:14:47.98	Jeff Putman	THE CURRENT HOUSING PLAN
02:14:50.23	Jeff Putman	AND
02:14:51.02	Jeff Putman	would go a long way to eliminating the need to have a referendum on other parts of the of Sausalito if we could agree on a few developments like this like the Berkeley plan for City Hall
02:15:06.36	Jeff Putman	Thank you.
02:15:08.72	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you, dear Lord.
02:15:10.24	Serge	Next speaker is Peter Van Meter, Peter, you've
02:15:13.82	Serge	Then unmute it. And as you share your video.
02:15:15.73	Peter Van Meter	Thank you.
02:15:16.64	Peter Van Meter	Okay, thank you, no video tonight. But regarding the working group, I think we have a lesson that can be learned from the general plan process, where the GPAC met for, in that case, about three years, and then
02:15:30.56	Peter Van Meter	the working group is formed.
02:15:32.84	Peter Van Meter	And it basically was starting over. So it doesn't speed up the process.
02:15:36.40	Peter Van Meter	It slows down the process.
02:15:38.29	Peter Van Meter	And so all the work that's been done by the HIAC
02:15:41.34	Peter Van Meter	All the public input that's been done, all the months and all the meetings that they've done is basically potentially a waste.
02:15:47.99	Peter Van Meter	because you're starting over and maybe four people are gonna be preempting all of those decisions and discussions and so on that they've had
02:15:55.43	Peter Van Meter	In fact, like what we saw in the case of the general plan, where you had a group of, what was it there, 13 or 15 people or something on GPAC, that all these deliberations, and then you ended up having like,
02:16:07.89	Peter Van Meter	Three to one votes.
02:16:09.62	Peter Van Meter	on the working group.
02:16:11.78	Peter Van Meter	that just overturned many decisions that the
02:16:14.70	Peter Van Meter	Uh,
02:16:15.72	Peter Van Meter	GPAC had made over all those months.
02:16:17.82	Peter Van Meter	So I'm concerned about the fact that that same thing could happen here.
02:16:21.42	Peter Van Meter	So it really is discounting the work of the HIAC. I think we stick with the HIAC.
02:16:26.16	Peter Van Meter	You go through their next meeting where they narrow down the sites, you bring it to the city council and the city council acts.
02:16:33.33	Peter Van Meter	You don't really need to have a separate slowdown
02:16:37.05	Peter Van Meter	Duplicative process.
02:16:38.65	Peter Van Meter	starting over again.
02:16:40.15	Peter Van Meter	with a
02:16:41.30	Peter Van Meter	Working group.
02:16:42.51	Peter Van Meter	that can affect discounted work
02:16:44.59	Peter Van Meter	the value of the word.
02:16:45.89	Peter Van Meter	that's been going over all these months,
02:16:48.13	Peter Van Meter	Thank you.
02:16:50.50	Mayor Kellman	Ms. Perrin?
02:16:52.03	Serge	Our next speaker is Joan Cox. Joan, you've been unmuted.
02:16:56.94	Joan Cox	Thank you. Good evening, counsel.
02:16:59.12	Joan Cox	I wanted to make a couple of points. This has been a very illuminating and interesting discussion.
02:17:04.40	Joan Cox	aside from the risk that best spoke of regarding a developer being able to develop by right if the property if his property is on the house on it is
02:17:13.04	Joan Cox	and inadequate places in the zone to meet the city's arena quota there's also an sb35 risk for cities that fail to meet their arena quotas
02:17:23.00	Joan Cox	SB 35 allows for
02:17:26.42	Joan Cox	um a streamlined approval process for in-hill developments in localities that have failed to meet their regional housing needs allocation
02:17:35.28	Joan Cox	It does not allow secret analysis. It removes the requirement for discretionary entitlements granted by the planning commission. So that's another risk of not actually meeting your RENA quota, separate from not rezoning.
02:17:50.89	Joan Cox	adequate sites in order to meet your arena quota.
02:17:54.59	Joan Cox	Second point I wanted to make is I want to respectfully disagree with my colleague on the
02:17:59.92	Joan Cox	GPAC, the General Plan Advisory Committee, Peter Van Meter. The GPAC working group did not start over. What the GPAC working group did was analyze
02:18:09.54	Joan Cox	hundreds of pages of the draft general plan,
02:18:13.42	Joan Cox	go through each page and each program and each policy, page by page by page, in a very detailed manner that we were unable to accomplish with the 13 members of the GPAC.
02:18:25.82	Joan Cox	And it was never the intention, and I don't think it occurred, that the working group overturned
02:18:32.56	Joan Cox	decisions that had been made by the GPAC. Ultimately, the city council made the final decision about what policies and programs to approve and to include or not include. And the working group facilitated the ability to do that.
02:18:46.59	Joan Cox	on
02:18:47.24	Joan Cox	And finally, in terms of the consultant, I believe
02:18:50.93	Joan Cox	the consultant should invite our HCD point person to Sausalito
02:18:56.03	Mayor Kellman	TO INSPECT.
02:18:57.38	Mayor Kellman	personally expecting sorry to interrupt you john thank you appreciate that
02:19:04.01	Serge	Our next speaker is Bob. Bob, you've been unmuted. I'm going to share your video.
02:19:09.02	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
02:19:09.04	Ian	Thank you.
02:19:11.87	Jacob	Thank you. My name is Bob Pindole. I'm with the Marin Environmental Housing Collaborative. We support affordable housing that's environmentally appropriate and promotes social equity. Full disclosure, Jennifer Silva, who's a member of your HEAC, is a member of the Marin Environmental Housing Collaborative, and she brought this staff report to our attention.
02:19:33.42	Jacob	It's not clear to me from the staff report whether the proposed working group would be subject to the Brown Act or not. In the middle of the third page, the paragraph says that it would not be subject to the Brown Act, and then the following sentence says it would be. I think that needs to be clarified. My concern is that having the working group outside of the HE Act suggests that it's a filter
02:20:01.27	Jacob	suggest that it's developing a parallel plan, and I think you run the risk of losing credibility. On the other hand, I would say that there are real advantages to having members of the city council and the planning commission on a housing element advisory council as you do right now. It helps to move the process along. It helps to keep the overall advisory group on track and frankly realistic. And finally, for reference, I'm a retired city planner, about 35 years experience. Most of that time as either a county planning director or a city planning director. As a consultant, I had a really enjoyable year working as acting planning director for Sausalito.
02:20:50.51	Jacob	Thank you for your time.
02:20:53.06	Cleveland	Thank you, Bob.
02:20:53.51	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
02:20:54.08	Serge	Our next speaker is Sandra Bushmaker. Sandra, you've been on mute.
02:20:58.52	Sandra Bushmaker	Evening, Council.
02:21:00.31	Sandra Bushmaker	I have three things to say about this item.
02:21:02.81	Sandra Bushmaker	One, I support the working group. It worked for GPAC. It did not undo the work of the general plan advisory committee. It had facilitated the completion of the general plan.
02:21:12.82	Sandra Bushmaker	Our consultant for HIAC is begging us to do a working work,
02:21:19.16	Sandra Bushmaker	working group in order to complete this process. And the consequences are too dire to not do that. So I heartily support that.
02:21:27.90	Sandra Bushmaker	With regard to the statistics, I'm glad to hear that Mayor Kellman brought up the statistical significance of 111
02:21:34.94	Sandra Bushmaker	Out of 7,100,
02:21:36.78	Sandra Bushmaker	people participating in last night's
02:21:39.58	Sandra Bushmaker	TASK.
02:21:40.75	Sandra Bushmaker	AND, UH,
02:21:42.18	Sandra Bushmaker	I think we need to be extraordinarily careful about tallying any numbers that come out of that session from last night.
02:21:48.46	Sandra Bushmaker	as being statistically insignificant
02:21:52.27	Sandra Bushmaker	And lastly,
02:21:53.37	Sandra Bushmaker	I hate to bring this up, but one of the speakers brought up an issue of one of the HIAC members voting on a property that was close to her residence.
02:22:02.67	Sandra Bushmaker	I wish to bring to the attention that there was a
02:22:05.40	Sandra Bushmaker	HEAC member at the March meeting who voted on a
02:22:08.94	Sandra Bushmaker	a site that is adjacent to her residence. And that happened to be at 35 Central, the parcel.
02:22:15.49	Sandra Bushmaker	Site number 30.
02:22:17.09	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
02:22:21.38	Mayor Kellman	Thank you very much, Sandra. Any other members of the public wish to weigh in?
02:22:26.85	Serge	Bye.
02:22:26.90	Mayor Kellman	Bye.
02:22:29.12	Serge	Madam Mayor, we do have Greg.
02:22:31.57	Serge	and you've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
02:22:44.78	Greg	uh thank you members of the council um i have i have two points here that i'd like to raise tonight and the first one is i i think there's been some confusion or misunderstanding on the part of some members of the pdac with respect to the working waterfront coalition's position on the housing um in the marineship question um in order to clarify that um
02:23:12.82	Greg	I WOULD LIKE TO FORWARD IMMEDIATELY
02:23:16.85	Greg	a list of 114 people
02:23:19.77	Greg	people.
02:23:21.18	Greg	who have responded as of 4 p.m. today
02:23:25.13	Greg	to the question of housing in the Marineship.
02:23:28.24	Greg	And essentially that calls for protecting the working waterfront in ways that have not yet been understood.
02:23:35.56	Greg	by the heat act.
02:23:36.98	Greg	in the sense that they voted narrowly
02:23:39.73	Greg	primarily five to four boats to surround the working waterfront.
02:23:44.07	Greg	with incompatible i.e. residential uses
02:23:47.97	Greg	threatening and eventually calling for the extermination of the working waterfront. Those are being forwarded to you now. And I would urge you to take a look at those.
02:23:58.26	Greg	Secondly, I have another matter
02:24:02.29	Greg	And it concerns a question about an individual serving on the HEAD Act.
02:24:07.81	Greg	who represented that they were a resident of Sausalito when in fact they may be a resident of San Francisco.
02:24:15.17	Greg	something they failed to disclose on their application.
02:24:18.42	Greg	Something that bears an investigation by the city attorney to determine if in fact, this person who has an apartment, who has a residence, who has a mailbox at that apartment, and who has a house,
02:24:34.76	Greg	appears from some facts to be actually living there.
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02:24:39.67	Greg	the same person I would note has been gone
02:24:42.96	Greg	Um,
02:24:44.04	Greg	for extended periods of time or a month
02:24:46.72	Mayor Kellman	Sorry to cut you off, Craig. I'm sorry. Your time is up.
02:24:52.63	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
02:24:54.91	Mayor Kellman	Okay, any other members of the public wish to comment on this item?
02:25:01.32	Serge	Madam Mayor, I see no further handsprings.
02:25:04.36	Serge	Okay, Madam Mayor, we just have another hand. Okay.
02:25:08.09	Ian	THANK YOU.
02:25:08.97	Serge	John Geray.
02:25:10.40	Serge	Thank you.
02:25:10.42	Ian	Don't do it.
02:25:10.70	Serge	John, you've been unmuted and I can share your video.
02:25:10.84	John DeRay	Thank you.
02:25:10.87	Ian	Thank you.
02:25:13.91	John DeRay	Thank you.
02:25:17.15	John DeRay	I wanted to comment about the HIAC. I consider them the eyes and ears of the community
02:25:19.26	Serge	Yeah.
02:25:19.46	Serge	Yeah.
02:25:24.58	John DeRay	yet I'm a little bit bothered by certain comments I heard at the last meeting, I'm gonna quote them.
02:25:29.37	John DeRay	First is.
02:25:30.92	John DeRay	I'm not exactly sure where the property is.
02:25:33.74	John DeRay	That's one quote. Here's another one. Next time we vote on these properties, I would appreciate it if someone would tell me where it is exactly and what's on either side of it.
02:25:42.97	John DeRay	Well, my understanding is that's the main task of KEYAC was to do the little bit of the heavy lifting and figure out what you're voting on and do the homework. The other thing I wanted to talk about was Councilperson Sobieski's sort of hypothetical plan where there is a...
02:26:01.50	John DeRay	to the city as part of a deal.
02:26:04.38	John DeRay	I'd like to
02:26:05.65	John DeRay	understand how that can be earmarked for a specific purpose versus a future city council or the same city council saying that that large amount of cash should go something should go to something like the 30 million dollar unfunded liability
02:26:22.14	John DeRay	And then the last thing I would like to just comment on is this concept of a deal or a competition between
02:26:32.53	John DeRay	property owner A, B, and C is sort of a variation on the prisoner's dilemma where cooperation is the best outcome.
02:26:39.48	John DeRay	And you have to understand also as time goes on, there is less and less incentive
02:26:44.46	John DeRay	for whatever property owner there is to cooperate with the city, since in the end, if he does not cooperate, one of the three will get their way.
02:26:52.14	John DeRay	Thank you.
02:26:54.13	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, gentlemen. Okay. Any other public comment, Serge?
02:26:59.31	Serge	Madam Mayor, there are no further hands for you.
02:27:01.67	Mayor Kellman	Okay, so public comment is officially closed.
02:27:04.36	Mayor Kellman	BRING IT BACK UP TO THE HEAC.
02:27:07.63	Mayor Kellman	pardon me, the city council, the direction required from us is regarding the working group.
02:27:15.71	Mayor Kellman	And so who would like to start us off on whether or not our working group would facilitate this process?
02:27:24.20	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
02:27:24.77	Mayor Kellman	Yeah, please, Councilor Hawkins.
02:27:30.56	Mayor Kellman	Are you still on mute there?
02:27:32.88	Hoffman	Thank you.
02:27:34.12	Hoffman	Yeah, thank you. So what I heard from our consultant was that they're requesting a smaller working group and to help them speed along
02:27:47.17	Hoffman	to get this process.
02:27:49.99	Hoffman	you know,
02:27:51.88	Hoffman	to accelerate it to conclusion because we are behind and there is still a lot of work to be done. And as the consultant said, the HE Act,
02:27:59.74	Hoffman	Um,
02:28:00.97	Hoffman	the HEAC committee that we formed is a little bit,
02:28:04.43	Hoffman	a little bit different than other efforts that she's worked on in other cities.
02:28:09.06	Hoffman	And I, you know, we did that so that we could broaden the diversity of opinions and, you know,
02:28:18.94	Hoffman	public comment
02:28:21.90	Hoffman	to the process, which I think is a good thing.
02:28:23.99	Hoffman	I think there's been a lot of that in the long, the meetings that I've watched have had a lot of discussion and a lot of input from the members on HIAC.
02:28:34.79	Hoffman	And I looked down to see what our criteria was for HEAC and that was to review and provide guidance to city staff and the consultant on goals and policy related to the update to the housing element. A lot of that has been done.
02:28:45.00	Ian	of those.
02:28:46.57	Hoffman	ensure sufficient public outreach and stakeholder input regarding the housing element update
02:28:51.28	Hoffman	including innovative ways to reach multiple segments of population stakeholders. I think we did that. The town hall last night showed that that was a good effort.
02:28:58.74	Hoffman	and a lot of public engagement, especially 500 responses
02:29:02.06	Hoffman	to the prior survey, provide assistance to the department, seeking grant funding opportunities. I don't know what the status is on that and provide department with grant writing assistance. I don't know.
02:29:12.94	Hoffman	if HEAC has been able to do that or not. Relay information from the consult to the city council.
02:29:17.82	Hoffman	regarding technical expertise and new state legislation and provide benchmarking with other Marine communities
02:29:24.30	Hoffman	I don't know the status on that. Work with staff to dialogue with the county on potential for collaborative approaches and identify possible pathways to 100% affordable housing projects in Sausalito.
02:29:36.08	Hoffman	So that was a criteria that we set out for GIAC. And so,
02:29:42.31	Hoffman	Admittedly, I was reflected in the staff report. He had got a late start.
02:29:47.50	Hoffman	And we are where we are.
02:29:50.44	Hoffman	to me it makes a lot of sense to have a smaller working group assist
02:29:55.50	Hoffman	the consultant and assist staff, which we know is stressed and short-handed anyway,
02:30:00.09	Hoffman	to try to get
02:30:01.24	Hoffman	in a format
02:30:04.45	Hoffman	that can be more easily
02:30:07.77	Hoffman	I think speeded along and digested by the larger HIAC.
02:30:11.84	Hoffman	And so to me, it makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense that it's the two city council members because ultimately it's gonna come back to us anyway. So the feedback that's given from the council members is good.
02:30:22.49	Hoffman	the technical experts from the planning commission also makes sense to me because this is a planning document and speaking out language is important.
02:30:29.73	Hoffman	I'm in favor of that. I'm also in favor of some of these other dire consequences that people are talking about as a result of having a working group in,
02:30:41.28	Hoffman	in conjunction with the HE Act,
02:30:43.09	Hoffman	I'm happy to put conditions on
02:30:45.67	Hoffman	what the HEAC working group would be doing
02:30:48.41	Hoffman	and sort of what the parameters are and what I think what I would expect the NIEAC to be working group to be doing is what Beth,
02:30:56.37	Hoffman	laid out our consultant sort of described.
02:30:59.69	Hoffman	I, you know,
02:31:01.97	Hoffman	I look forward to hearing what the other council members have to say, but to me, it makes a lot of sense and we need to get us to the point where we're ready in June, we are not ready right now.
02:31:10.88	Hoffman	That is what our consultant told us.
02:31:13.90	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, Councilmember.
02:31:14.90	Hoffman	I'm not sure.
02:31:14.97	Mayor Kellman	Let's go, Council Member Cleveland-Knowles, the Vice Mayor, and then Council Member Sobieski.
02:31:20.47	Cleveland	Thank you. I think just last Saturday, we were talking about decreasing the number of committees
02:31:28.10	Cleveland	THAT OUR STAFF
02:31:30.31	Cleveland	have to work with and not increasing the number. I understand the current proposal, it would be to add a committee that would work
02:31:36.75	Cleveland	in tandem with the HIAC and not displace the HIAC.
02:31:41.46	Cleveland	I have a bunch of thoughts about this and I'm not in support of the current proposal in front of us, but I do have some thoughts.
02:31:51.10	Cleveland	I mean, first of all, we spent quite a lot of time this summer giving very thoughtful deliberation.
02:31:56.55	Cleveland	in light of how the GPAC and the GPAC subcommittee worked and didn't work.
02:32:01.24	Cleveland	to forming a smaller
02:32:03.45	Cleveland	Yeah.
02:32:04.44	Cleveland	So we made that conscious decision and we spent quite a lot of time and effort in choosing some really excellent committee members.
02:32:11.47	Cleveland	So I want to respect that. We're also right in the middle of the HIAC scope of work.
02:32:16.51	Cleveland	um,
02:32:18.55	Cleveland	And
02:32:19.90	Cleveland	this idea hasn't even been brought.
02:32:23.24	Cleveland	in front of them.
02:32:24.93	Cleveland	I also think that a lot of the issues that we've had with the HEAC and maybe some of the problems with getting started, were really not the fault of the nine-member committee.
02:32:35.66	Cleveland	but had to do with a lot of staff.
02:32:37.64	Cleveland	Turnover.
02:32:38.92	Cleveland	and frankly, just some disarray with canceling various meetings.
02:32:45.37	Cleveland	So I think we're on a really great track right now. We meet mom plays.
02:32:49.53	Cleveland	things are working smoothly.
02:32:51.64	Cleveland	I
02:32:53.38	Cleveland	We now have one staff liaison who, as we've recognized several times tonight, is an expert in this area, is well organized, and is gonna be very thoughtful and helpful to the consultant.
02:33:04.13	Cleveland	So I'd like to give that staff member
02:33:06.41	Cleveland	the bandwidth and the leash to help the consultant and see how the process improves.
02:33:14.41	Cleveland	with one senior staff person at the helm.
02:33:18.59	Cleveland	Um,
02:33:20.06	Cleveland	There have been a lot of
02:33:22.75	Cleveland	Comparisons of this process to the GPAC subcommittee
02:33:28.16	Cleveland	that the mayor and i work on
02:33:31.64	Cleveland	and that I formed. That committee was formed to work through drafts of the final
02:33:38.59	Cleveland	general plan. It was formed after the GPAC scope of work had been completed.
02:33:44.70	Cleveland	when we still had some work left.
02:33:47.89	Cleveland	and it
02:33:50.10	Cleveland	They were Brown Act meeting. And I just, I really hope that Beth understands this. They were fully staffed.
02:33:56.65	Cleveland	fully prepared staff reports
02:33:59.31	Cleveland	fully Brown Act compliant. They were a lot of work and they went for hours and hours.
02:34:06.59	Cleveland	So that's not going to save
02:34:08.21	Cleveland	Yeah.
02:34:09.29	Cleveland	IT'S NOT GOING TO SAVE CONSULTANT TIME.
02:34:12.61	Cleveland	Given all that, I think council member Hoffman just articulated some really legitimate concerns with where we are in the process and the need to expedite that.
02:34:22.26	Cleveland	So I mean, I think if we're trying to expedite things, one, I think,
02:34:27.34	Cleveland	We, you know, the HIC meetings, I think, are back on track.
02:34:32.12	Cleveland	Um,
02:34:33.00	Cleveland	I think we could handle some of the more quick questions the way that we have with other consultants.
02:34:40.01	Cleveland	If they need quick input, Mayor Kellman and I can be city council liaisons to the consultants.
02:34:47.90	Cleveland	We can then report out publicly at our two
02:34:51.46	Cleveland	City Council meetings.
02:34:53.57	Cleveland	a month on any conversation that we've had with the consultants. So there's some transparency and public process there. So that's one idea.
02:35:01.61	Cleveland	Um,
02:35:03.15	Cleveland	I think another idea is more frequent VEAC meetings or subcommittee of the VEAC.
02:35:09.04	Cleveland	um,
02:35:10.24	Cleveland	which the HEAC can form at any point in time.
02:35:14.76	Cleveland	Um,
02:35:15.94	Cleveland	If the rest of the council wants to do a working group, such as the one that's proposed by staff, I would definitely,
02:35:22.57	Cleveland	I recommend that it be more
02:35:25.51	Cleveland	Thank you.
02:35:26.27	Cleveland	reflective of the council policy.
02:35:30.27	Cleveland	and more reflective of the PF votes that have been
02:35:35.89	Cleveland	And I think if we did that, we could do the chair and the vice chair of the HEAC
02:35:40.31	Cleveland	and the two council members raised on.
02:35:42.60	Cleveland	But I'm just not sure that's gonna be any more efficient
02:35:46.32	Cleveland	or helpful to our consultants.
02:35:49.08	Cleveland	to add that process, especially with Browning meetings.
02:35:53.05	Cleveland	and staff reports and all the work that went into our former GPAC.
02:35:56.90	Cleveland	I'm really cognizant of the fact we need to move this along.
02:36:01.01	Cleveland	But,
02:36:02.69	Cleveland	I wanna do it in a way that's most productive.
02:36:05.32	Cleveland	And
02:36:06.97	Cleveland	most helpful and the GPAC subcommittee process, while I thought it was a good process,
02:36:12.84	Cleveland	for that point in time for the general plan.
02:36:15.46	Cleveland	I just don't think we're there. We don't have a draft target element to review. We're not wordsmithing.
02:36:20.83	Cleveland	And we're just not at that point.
02:36:22.80	Cleveland	So.
02:36:24.02	Cleveland	Those are my thoughts. And, you know, obviously we'll defer to the rest of the council on what they think for.
02:36:31.31	Mayor Kellman	Thank you for the thoughtful comments. Much appreciated, Council Member.
02:36:34.88	Mayor Kellman	Vice Mayor.
02:36:36.89	Vice Mayor	Thank you. I think based on what we've heard from members of the council and also from members of the public, just a public comment this evening, it's really clear that there is a serious need for a diverse range of voices on the conversations around our housing element, and that there are a variety of opinions. And we worked really hard to select a housing element that represents different 94965 liaison, different groups in different parts of town.
02:36:53.31	Greg	and
02:36:53.58	Ian	Thank you.
02:36:53.61	Greg	Thank you.
02:37:03.47	Vice Mayor	And I just really worry that if our approach to the process is to make a smaller group committee to move things forward, we're gonna miss some really critical voices, especially given the direction of some of the votes of the housing element. I would like it to be, if we were gonna have
02:37:19.32	Vice Mayor	a committee which I don't think is going to be the best way forward, that it would be more representative, or at least that the HEAC themselves have the opportunity to weigh in on whether or not they think that this is the approach they would like to take to finish their criteria and their scope of work, or if it's something that they,
02:37:33.73	Vice Mayor	would prefer to just continue to have additional meetings and engage further and meet more frequently because as I've mentioned, I'm really impressed by the commitment of all of the members of the HEAC and the amount of time they put in and their interests and passion for this issue and their commitment to our community,
02:37:49.28	Vice Mayor	we all really share and respect. And so I wouldn't want them to not have the opportunity to have a say in how they complete their scope in this process, given how impactful the work is going to be and has been. That said, I do know we need to speed things up around the housing elements. So I would be supportive of perhaps having
02:37:57.79	Greg	it.
02:38:09.92	Vice Mayor	additional meetings if that makes the most sense. But I don't think that since this will be a Brown Act committee, it will require staffing. I'm worried it will not be particularly efficient and we'll be in the same situation of having more staff time taken up when we could have utilized the time so many dedicated volunteers. I'm open to, I mean, I do think Council Member Hoffman made good points about needing to move things along. So I would like to have a conversation about the best way
02:38:38.58	Vice Mayor	to do that, but my concern is that we're gonna miss really critical collaborative voices. And this is an opportunity for everyone to come together and collaborate. And frankly, based on the town hall last night and the discussions this evening, I think it would be helpful
02:38:50.64	Vice Mayor	to take a big step back and consider a lot of the questions that Council Member Sobieski brought up tonight and also that the mayor brought up about considering
02:38:57.55	Vice Mayor	Do we think about here's where we would want senior housing? Here's where we would perhaps want particularly affordable housing. Everyone's brought up some bigger picture items and I look forward to being able to consider the sites in June hopefully with more of that perspective, but I don't necessarily think that this working group is the way forward to solve all of our problems.
02:39:16.87	Mayor Kellman	Thanks very much.
02:39:18.64	Mayor Kellman	Councilmember.
02:39:20.16	Sobieski	Yeah, thank you very much, Mayor. Yeah, I, as you know, I'm a bit of an outlier here because I voted against having the $900,000 consultant to have the website here.
02:39:31.48	Sobieski	Um,
02:39:32.86	Sobieski	because I felt like this approach didn't
02:39:36.32	Sobieski	serve it served only one goal which is how to make the renown number it didn't serve the goal of uh how to enhance the
02:39:44.14	Sobieski	and avoid bad things instead of trying to figure out how to meet the many goals we have in Sausalito, preserving our small common character,
02:39:52.14	Sobieski	providing a place for service workers to work, to live and work, artists to live and work.
02:39:58.06	Sobieski	not just preserving but enhancing the activity of our working waterfront
02:40:02.24	Sobieski	We have a lot of goals here in town.
02:40:05.75	Sobieski	And so I feel like
02:40:08.12	Sobieski	we should have a year ago embarked on a master planning exercise that was funded
02:40:13.80	Sobieski	that would explore various sites, not simply for whether they could accumulate to 724, but what they would actually build and who they would serve.
02:40:24.32	Sobieski	how they would be financed.
02:40:26.36	Sobieski	um
02:40:27.42	Sobieski	and the realism that they would actually be built.
02:40:30.48	Sobieski	uh,
02:40:31.35	Sobieski	It's late.
02:40:32.38	Sobieski	But it's not too late to still engage in elements of that process.
02:40:36.84	Sobieski	I feel like the working group question is a distraction. There we ascribed a process
02:40:42.51	Sobieski	as my colleague, Susan Cleveland, knows I outlined
02:40:45.78	Sobieski	of a relatively small HEAC
02:40:48.48	Sobieski	um,
02:40:49.27	Sobieski	It, of course, is dissatisfying because I think fundamentally this process is dissatisfying. It plays through our fears and not our hopes, and it is constrained in its opportunity for synergy and creativity and amazing outcome.
02:41:02.99	Sobieski	So the planning commission sent us a letter encouraging a master plan
02:41:07.30	Sobieski	I think that we can consider having a parallel process of master planning on top of this current process.
02:41:17.24	Sobieski	expenditure of funds is what I'd recommend to
02:41:21.39	Sobieski	engage with an operation that an effort to actually tie the sites together to speak about what actually would be where and to try to highlight some of the trade-offs.
02:41:32.63	Sobieski	um,
02:41:33.50	Sobieski	bob silvestri uh is known to many people as an authority on this subject he posts a lot on the brand post and he points out that affordable housing
02:41:42.35	Sobieski	often only works on free land, but free land is hard to get.
02:41:46.58	Sobieski	I note that if you give free land to a developer,
02:41:50.24	Sobieski	that might make the numbers work for the developer.
02:41:52.74	Sobieski	but it's not free to the city. That land is on our balance sheet.
02:41:56.66	Sobieski	And when we give it away,
02:41:57.97	Sobieski	our balance sheet is hit.
02:41:59.56	Sobieski	It's a million, $2 million, $3 million, more, $10 million costs to the city. It's hidden.
02:42:06.12	Sobieski	But it's real.
02:42:07.32	Sobieski	uh,
02:42:08.60	Sobieski	we give that land to build affordable housing, we achieve
02:42:11.86	Sobieski	a meaningful goal.
02:42:13.21	Sobieski	But never in that dialogue do we actually engage in the trade-off about other ways we could achieve the goal of building affordable housing.
02:42:20.70	Sobieski	I'm not sure.
02:42:21.97	Sobieski	The reality is that
02:42:23.57	Sobieski	When we change zoning,
02:42:25.17	Sobieski	on a property owner. We're often giving that property owner a windfall.
02:42:29.34	Sobieski	and a
02:42:30.73	Sobieski	of course on principle with my engagement in this process and my votes on this matter and the effort I would like to lead or push is not to give any property owners free cookies I want to get as many cookies for the city of Sausalito and its residents as we can possibly accumulate in our jar
02:42:45.39	Sobieski	John DeRay asked a question
02:42:47.28	Sobieski	technical question about how money could flow and it's a question worth answering with a definitive answer
02:42:53.22	Sobieski	I'm not sure.
02:42:54.64	Sobieski	But there are a lot of societal benefits that you can require on a property owner in exchange for the windfall that you would otherwise give them.
02:43:01.67	Sobieski	And I can say that you can require them to build infrastructure.
02:43:05.05	Sobieski	for the benefit of the city.
02:43:06.84	Sobieski	you can require them to provide a new download.
02:43:09.15	Sobieski	You could work harder than to build
02:43:11.53	Sobieski	housing and deed it.
02:43:12.97	Sobieski	to a non-profit.
02:43:14.92	Sobieski	that could house workers, that could house artists.
02:43:18.31	Sobieski	That could be a live workspace for artists. So that we could pull them out of the shadow, out of the corners, the liminal corners,
02:43:24.96	Sobieski	Um,
02:43:25.77	Sobieski	Right now there's artists in the Marin ship that live behind their kiln.
02:43:29.59	Sobieski	They live behind their kiln because it's the affordable place to live.
02:43:33.38	Sobieski	And the working thesis of our preservation of this incredibly important part of Sausalito
02:43:39.51	Sobieski	is that we need to fight.
02:43:41.45	Sobieski	um
02:43:42.48	Sobieski	the economic forces to make to keep things affordable for these individuals. But affordable often means very liminal spaces.
02:43:52.00	Sobieski	Um,
02:43:53.45	Sobieski	Wouldn't it be exciting if we could have a incredible colony of artists, live workspaces, a world-class 21st century working waterfront
02:44:03.88	Sobieski	uh,
02:44:04.74	Sobieski	These things can be possible if we actually view this as an opportunity. If we play judo instead of box, instead of going toe to toe, if we use the energy,
02:44:13.11	Sobieski	that's there.
02:44:15.18	Sobieski	to our advantage, but it requires a deliberate
02:44:18.24	Sobieski	approach.
02:44:19.45	Sobieski	So I would really encourage my colleagues to
02:44:22.42	Sobieski	Um,
02:44:23.59	Sobieski	I'm not in favor of establishing a working group. I am in favor of
02:44:27.82	Sobieski	letting that process play out. I'm in favor of having more sites considered in the EIR at this stage than less.
02:44:35.13	Sobieski	I feel like we should direct city staff
02:44:38.30	Sobieski	to expend the legal resources to really take a sharp pencil and answer the questions about all the risks that SB 35 presents.
02:44:46.86	Sobieski	and that
02:44:49.19	Sobieski	and that inclusion of an element in the housing, property in the housing element that's not built might present.
02:44:55.57	Sobieski	But at this stage before that is achieved,
02:44:58.60	Sobieski	we should try to achieve what the at least an approximation of what the planning commission proposed which is
02:45:04.61	Sobieski	the integration of these sites with some sense of what could be built there and the trade-offs between
02:45:11.00	Sobieski	uh,
02:45:12.15	Sobieski	what could be built on different sites and the consequences across town if you
02:45:16.57	Sobieski	uh,
02:45:17.50	Sobieski	If you allow more dense locations in one spot, you may be able to avoid any construction in another.
02:45:23.36	Sobieski	And this guacamole, where everyone is opposed to the site
02:45:26.24	Sobieski	nearest them.
02:45:27.54	Sobieski	is not.
02:45:28.66	Sobieski	the best way to design our city.
02:45:31.85	Sobieski	And I'll end my comments just by saying that this is just this arena.
02:45:35.52	Sobieski	Have we really signed up every eight years, spending another million, $2 million and all the time here?
02:45:41.67	Sobieski	to just get by with the minimum
02:45:44.59	Sobieski	Is that really our, is that our plan?
02:45:46.98	Sobieski	And why not?
02:45:48.65	Sobieski	not plan for 724 units but
02:45:51.03	Sobieski	plan for what we anticipate over the next three RENA cycles.
02:45:54.27	Sobieski	We will only include in the current RHNA cycle the sites that we are going to build in the current RHNA cycle.
02:46:00.16	Sobieski	we already have an understanding of the way these current sites would fit in
02:46:05.23	Sobieski	with future sites that would provide everyone a clear roadmap
02:46:09.49	Sobieski	of how things would develop. It would also, by the way, stamp out any ambition
02:46:15.75	Sobieski	that some property owner may have that their property would be rezoned if not in this cycle in some future one. It would really take off the map
02:46:23.60	Sobieski	for three rena cycles, some
02:46:26.10	Sobieski	potential building and that would provide some clarity but we would also have a clear idea on the numbers not for this cycle but the others and the opportunity actually to integrate all this
02:46:37.08	Sobieski	into something that achieves all our
02:46:39.38	Sobieski	goals for our city.
02:46:43.28	Mayor Kellman	Thank you very much, Councilor Sobieski.
02:46:46.79	Mayor Kellman	I'm smiling because I love these conversations because they're so interesting and they're so informative and I think they really drive us to do a better job collectively.
02:46:57.50	Mayor Kellman	And I just wanna say I am committed above all else to not put politics in front of results. And so I'm gonna try for a minute to present
02:47:08.35	Mayor Kellman	I think a middle path.
02:47:10.09	Mayor Kellman	And it might require Councilor Sobieski changing his mind, but I'm gonna go for it. Because here's why I completely agree
02:47:17.45	Mayor Kellman	around the lack of innovative planning
02:47:19.95	Mayor Kellman	um i love the way you said there's no theory or ambition of how sauciro helps itself
02:47:25.43	Mayor Kellman	And you called out three very specific efforts, citywide master plan, SB335, CDA.
02:47:32.99	Mayor Kellman	And then we also heard from the consultant how much a more streamlined working group would help achieve results, would help keep us on track.
02:47:41.97	Mayor Kellman	And so my compromise suggestion
02:47:46.19	Mayor Kellman	is that we do in fact
02:47:48.20	Mayor Kellman	I utilize a working group
02:47:50.84	Mayor Kellman	to engage in some of those specific tasks that council member Sobieski articulated, help
02:47:58.49	Mayor Kellman	move this along in a manner that is consistent with what the HE Act is working on.
02:48:03.11	Mayor Kellman	in a manner that reduces staff time
02:48:05.73	Mayor Kellman	because it's not a six hour HIAC meeting.
02:48:08.06	Mayor Kellman	where then staff doesn't have what they need. Instead, perhaps it is two two-hour meetings
02:48:14.59	Mayor Kellman	And I would further recommend that to aid that effort, we have people who are familiar with planning and zoning. And so that would be in fact, the two council members and the two planning commissioners
02:48:26.75	Mayor Kellman	And I believe we have one or two architects who are on the HIAC.
02:48:31.97	Mayor Kellman	who I think would be welcome additions to a working group such as that. So I do think this is an opportunity, much like council members Sobieski mentioned, I think this is the opportunity to guide that and to
02:48:42.99	Mayor Kellman	to work on the master plan component of it and help shepherd this process along.
02:48:47.76	Mayor Kellman	And so I wanna take advantage of that. So that would be my idea for a middle solution here where the working group aids
02:48:56.14	Mayor Kellman	at kind of three masters, right? It's having the consultant who has asked for the help.
02:49:01.32	Mayor Kellman	and we're paying a lot of money to it, it aids staff who
02:49:04.54	Mayor Kellman	is sitting through six hour meetings but still not getting what they want. And then it aids us in creating a theory or ambition of how Saucelil helps itself.
02:49:12.99	Mayor Kellman	So I would be in favor of the working group that is articulated for those goals and those objectives. I think it's a really pivotal opportunity for us.
02:49:21.78	Mayor Kellman	So.
02:49:23.02	Mayor Kellman	With that said, would anybody like to make a motion?
02:49:26.16	Cleveland	I just have a question, Mayor.
02:49:28.28	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
02:49:30.00	Cleveland	So this is a totally different idea than what we started out with, which is fine. That's why we have these discussions and have good debates.
02:49:39.10	Cleveland	I don't really understand exactly what
02:49:42.81	Cleveland	who would staff this and how
02:49:45.44	Cleveland	it fits within the scope of work.
02:49:47.94	Cleveland	I'm not, it sounds intriguing. So I would just suggest
02:49:52.43	Cleveland	Can we add this to the end of our meeting on the 24th?
02:49:55.57	Cleveland	where we vote on boards and commissions to just get greater clarity. I don't know if you and council members Dobieski want to
02:50:03.65	Cleveland	get together if you and I would take a pen to paper just to clarify the membership.
02:50:10.82	Cleveland	AND THE PURPOSE.
02:50:12.56	Cleveland	this whole master planning process.
02:50:15.82	Cleveland	is intriguing, but I don't understand if we have the bandwidth
02:50:20.07	Cleveland	AND WITH THE CONSULTANT.
02:50:22.33	Cleveland	BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE TO ACTUALLY
02:50:25.62	Cleveland	to do that.
02:50:27.19	Cleveland	IF WE DO, WE'LL BE
02:50:28.75	Cleveland	Great, it sounds like it would add a lot of
02:50:33.94	Cleveland	flavor and you know what it would add to the process but we just you know again we were just talking
02:50:42.41	Cleveland	at our Saturday workshop about how we're overburdening our staff.
02:50:46.18	Cleveland	and we're overburdening the process. So I'm just very cognizant of our commitment that we made that day.
02:50:52.57	Cleveland	to simplify and streamline.
02:50:56.01	Cleveland	I like the direction in general, I'm just not entirely sure
02:51:01.80	Cleveland	that
02:51:03.71	Cleveland	WHAT WILL IT BE?
02:51:04.08	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
02:51:04.11	Cleveland	Thank you.
02:51:04.18	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
02:51:04.22	Cleveland	loading on.
02:51:05.53	Cleveland	Thank you.
02:51:05.55	Mayor Kellman	It's a great point and we have the consultant here and we have staff here. So Beth, if you are still around here,
02:51:13.18	Mayor Kellman	Any feedback on that concept there?
02:51:20.65	Beth Thompson	So,
02:51:22.02	Beth Thompson	I'm not sure.
02:51:24.13	Beth Thompson	Yes.
02:51:25.43	Beth Thompson	I...
02:51:27.47	Beth Thompson	I like the idea of a broader concept. I definitely think it would be good
02:51:32.03	Beth Thompson	to identify specifically what you're looking for for us and help us figure out the best way to help you get there, because this definitely broadens a more holistic approach to the housing element, which is very worthwhile because you'll end up with a document that I think the city will
02:51:50.99	Beth Thompson	There will be more support from the community for a housing element that considers all of the concerns of the community and has a longer term path forward.
02:51:58.40	Beth Thompson	And I kind of envisioned two separate documents of a master plan for housing that looks at your longer term housing needs that doesn't go to the state for approval. So I see you get two different venues here and
02:52:11.34	Beth Thompson	I also like the idea that was brought forward that wasn't what you just suggested, just where we have a couple of council members that are available to staff and the consultant to bounce ideas off of from time to time. And a lot of jurisdictions we work in, you know, we work with staff, but it's nice to have additional minds available because...
02:52:33.23	Beth Thompson	It is so difficult to develop affordable housing these days and to identify sites that it's nice to have have more input. So I know I didn't answer your question exactly, but kind of floated a few additional things there.
02:52:45.06	Mayor Kellman	So Beth, would you mind just then for, let me turn it on you just real quick. Can you articulate just again for us what,
02:52:51.73	Mayor Kellman	what you need in order to streamline this,
02:52:56.08	Beth Thompson	We would need just, it would be nice if we have materials that we're about to present just to have a quick preview of those materials and
02:53:04.74	Beth Thompson	feedback on if we should be providing additional information or potential pitfalls. Are we, did we overlook huge issues that are going to be a stumbling block and we could have avoided if we'd added additional information or, or.
02:53:18.35	Beth Thompson	just if we were aware of. So I think we're looking for kind of touching base with the group before we get to the HIAC so that we're bringing the HIAC something that's meaningful.
02:53:28.70	Mayor Kellman	Okay, thank you. I'm sure we'll need you again. So councilman Sobioski has his hand up. See the city manager has his video on. So if he wants to make a comment too, but Ian, please.
02:53:37.85	Sobieski	Yeah, I was just gonna say that my
02:53:40.58	Sobieski	notion of the opportunity here can't be taken advantage of by well-meaning non-urban designers. I think you kind of get to some degree what you pay for and or at least the background of the people I imagine being involved in this parallel process are
02:54:00.09	Sobieski	people that have done urban
02:54:02.35	Sobieski	have done designs for communities. It's a challenging problem, but it shouldn't be done by...
02:54:11.65	Sobieski	by lawyers or engineers, it should be done by designers. And so I still say that
02:54:19.00	Sobieski	the process of trying to
02:54:22.99	Sobieski	um,
02:54:23.90	Sobieski	And developers, by the way. It would be like the A-team would be a developer who works for us, not for a property owner, a sort of neutral...
02:54:32.93	Sobieski	an expert for us, an architect, and an architect working together to try to take advantage of the sites that we are
02:54:43.90	Sobieski	considering for the maximum benefit of Sausalito. These goals that I outlined about artist housing,
02:54:50.65	Sobieski	we've
02:54:51.84	Sobieski	invigorating a 21st century
02:54:54.24	Sobieski	maritime industry and working waterfront.
02:54:57.06	Sobieski	as well as achieving, maintaining our small town character
02:55:00.28	Sobieski	and achieving our arena goals.
02:55:02.44	Sobieski	Those are additional
02:55:03.96	Sobieski	important constraints in addition to our arena goals that aren't being served by this process um
02:55:10.00	Sobieski	So a master plan has to come from
02:55:12.97	Sobieski	people that have a background in planning and design.
02:55:16.77	Sobieski	So I still aggregate
02:55:19.35	Sobieski	or would be satisfied by that kind of approach.
02:55:23.03	Sobieski	not adding another, um,
02:55:25.09	Sobieski	group of volunteers who
02:55:27.74	Sobieski	might not have that background.
02:55:32.55	Mayor Kellman	City Manager, did you want to chime in?
02:55:35.68	City Manager	I don't, but I will if you'd like me to.
02:55:39.14	City Manager	So, too.
02:55:39.21	Ian	on
02:55:40.43	City Manager	I heard the public comment, I heard the consultant comment, I heard the staff comment.
02:55:44.73	City Manager	And I was present in the meeting when this concept was floated.
02:55:48.12	City Manager	My thought then is the same as it then as it is now. This is a council decision.
02:55:53.54	City Manager	I think earlier what you heard from consultant, this is my third housing element in California.
02:55:58.99	City Manager	And you know, your approach as a city is different than anything I've seen.
02:56:03.12	City Manager	So when you talk about advisory committees to a housing element process,
02:56:07.75	City Manager	The two that were adopted.
02:56:09.20	City Manager	in prior experiences than have a housing element advisory committee. So I see how much you value public inputs here.
02:56:15.78	City Manager	at the same time, you know, I have been talking
02:56:18.82	City Manager	pretty aggressively about the staff constraints. And I am really appreciative of your thankfulness for Heidi, because she has picked this up and been really hard at work with Beth and the group and folks. But this is your call, not mine. So you all need to make it and tell us what you want to do. And if it turns into a working group, we'll staff it.
02:56:39.37	City Manager	If it doesn't, you know, you'll do other things because we have plenty to do.
02:56:43.50	Mayor Kellman	Thank you for that city manager.
02:56:45.44	Mayor Kellman	For those of you, Susan knows this because she's been with me on it, but
02:56:49.51	Mayor Kellman	The HIAC meetings are six hours, five hours long. So don't underestimate the amount of effort.
02:56:54.91	Mayor Kellman	The idea would be to maybe give two and two, but thank you for that city manager. And I know we're all very concerned. Oh, sorry. I couldn't see your hand there. Council member.
02:57:05.05	Cleveland	Yeah, well, just to kind of move the two balls, I think, that are in the air forward.
02:57:11.25	Cleveland	I think what I would suggest, or make a motion,
02:57:15.57	Cleveland	you, Mayor Kelman and I as the liaison to the working group do what other
02:57:22.15	Cleveland	City Council liaison, such as with the
02:57:24.66	Cleveland	homeless encampment, et cetera, do, is we facilitate whatever staff needs, the consultant and staff needs,
02:57:30.81	Cleveland	FROM THE CITY, IN ADDITION TO WHAT HEIDI CAN PROVIDE.
02:57:34.15	Cleveland	in the short term and see how that works. We'll have a dedicated staff in Heidi, we'll have the two of us and if it works out over the next month or two, that feels like she needs
02:57:45.23	Cleveland	or that that's not working, we can reevaluate
02:57:48.68	Cleveland	and
02:57:49.81	Cleveland	we could also work up this idea that council member
02:57:54.18	Cleveland	So the SV and others have been adding to tonight about a more robust conversation
02:58:00.05	Ian	Mm-hmm.
02:58:00.42	Cleveland	I would like to have a conversation
02:58:03.31	Cleveland	you know, with you, Mayor and Beth, and maybe the city manager about whether that would be adding budget.
02:58:08.83	Cleveland	or we could do it within our scope of budget and then just further to council member Sobiestes
02:58:14.26	Cleveland	it seems like he's looking for people outside the current, yeah.
02:58:18.07	Cleveland	and how that would even work and if we'd have to go through another selection process and
02:58:22.38	Cleveland	DO WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE ALL THAT ON?
02:58:24.50	Cleveland	um,
02:58:25.41	Cleveland	But I think that needs a little more
02:58:28.03	Cleveland	fleshing out.
02:58:29.75	Cleveland	at least from what I can hear tonight. Anyway, I'd be amenable to move forward tonight in that vein, but.
02:58:35.94	Cleveland	Thank you.
02:58:37.16	Cleveland	SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO THAT.
02:58:38.96	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
02:58:40.31	Mayor Kellman	Right?
02:58:41.26	Mayor Kellman	We have a motion pending. Does somebody want to?
02:58:43.45	Mayor Kellman	We have a comment on the motion.
02:58:45.19	Sobieski	like a...
02:58:47.54	Mayor Kellman	Okay, can you then please call the roll?
02:58:51.11	Serge	Councilmember Sobieski?
02:58:53.36	Serge	Council member, please annul.
02:58:54.83	Mayor Kellman	Yeah.
02:58:55.75	Serge	Council member Hoffman.
02:58:57.04	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
02:58:57.78	Serge	Vice Mayor Blomstein?
02:58:59.30	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
02:59:00.11	Serge	Mayor Kelman.
02:59:01.20	Mayor Kellman	No.
02:59:03.87	Serge	Motion passes for one.
02:59:06.39	Mayor Kellman	Okay, great. Well, thank you everybody. That was an extremely helpful conversation. I think we're all aware of
02:59:10.82	Mayor Kellman	what is happening and the direction to go in.
02:59:13.27	Mayor Kellman	I'll just say for the record, my no vote was, cause it was a very broad direction. I'm always available and and I will continue to work with you and to help streamline that. So that was not a no as to that, that was an assumed. So thank you.
02:59:29.71	Mayor Kellman	Um,
02:59:30.38	Mayor Kellman	Huge thank you to staff. Okay, on to the next. I'm cognizant that it's 10 o'clock. We do have a handful more of items. Anybody want to comment on the agenda?
02:59:40.07	Mayor Kellman	uh,
02:59:40.57	Cleveland	Thank you.
02:59:41.15	Mayor Kellman	Before we move on.
02:59:42.68	Cleveland	Thank you.
02:59:42.87	Cleveland	Thank you.
02:59:42.89	Ian	Thank you.
02:59:42.94	Cleveland	I'm just going to have to apologize to the council that I need to step away for at least a half an hour. And if you are still going, I will retrain you shortly.
02:59:53.36	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
02:59:53.94	Mayor Kellman	Okay, we're gonna turn just through the agenda to the next item. Yes, council members, so yes, ma'am.
02:59:58.70	Sobieski	Only that the matter I pulled off consent, I think, can be dispatched in two minutes. So don't worry about that taking a long time.
03:00:06.92	Mayor Kellman	All right, well then let's move on then to our next agenda item. Thanks everybody. So this is item 5B, receive the report and provide direction to staff on whether to proceed with implementing improvements to 429 1 1 1 Johnson Street, formerly the Dorothy Gibson House. So I believe that Director McGowan, our Public Works Director will be presented.
03:00:26.39	Director McGowan	Good evening, Mayor. Can you see my screen at this point? Yes, sir, we can.
03:00:30.96	Director McGowan	wonderful so good evening council members um thank you for letting me present this item this evening with me tonight is mike wagner our real estate manager as well i'm hoping that he can step in and help me with some of the slides as we move our way along item 5b before you this evening relates to 429 and a half johnson street this property was bequeathed to the city of Sausalito under the Dorothy Gibson Trust in 2019, and it has not been occupied since that time.
03:00:36.21	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:00:36.45	Greg	to do.
03:01:04.29	Director McGowan	Dorothy Gibson who was a staunch supporter of the community donated the property to the city as long as it is used for low income housing for one or more full time employees of the city including police and fire personnel. The lot located off of Johnson Street is a long flag shaped lot.
03:01:28.86	Director McGowan	with a small house dating back to the 1950s with wood stairs and a wood shaped roof.
03:01:37.30	Director McGowan	In 2021, an inspection of the reference structure was performed by Golden Gate Home Inspection. The report identifies several issues related to the existing structure that need to be addressed. The structure currently utilizes a wood shake roof and wood siding. The inspection report identified these areas and several others that should be addressed at this time in order to avoid additional damage to the structure itself.
03:02:05.99	Director McGowan	The structure has several wood decks and wood stairways that are also in a deteriorated condition. The stairways are currently not compliant with the accessibility standards and are in need of replacement. The replacement of these systems will be required if the city decides to allow occupancy to occur.
03:02:29.36	Director McGowan	The interior of the building has an upper level.
03:02:32.45	Director McGowan	and a lower level. The upper level is essentially a one-room bedroom, kitchen and living area with a separate bathroom.
03:02:41.00	Director McGowan	The lower level consists of a restroom and an auxiliary room, it's beginning late, can't say that word, which could be used as a living unit. The lower level has a one vehicle garage area with a very low ceiling. There may be a possibility of modifying this space to also become a living unit.
03:03:02.58	Director McGowan	Based on the vintage of the building, other upgrades will probably be needed, such as updating the electrical system and adding kitchenettes to the units on the lower level. Accessibility is one specific, accessibility for one specific unit is needed. Reconstruction of the lower restroom area will be needed to provide facilitation in this area.
03:03:28.37	Director McGowan	City staff reviewed the site and developed a rough estimate for the repairs with the intent of making the structure a viable site for city employees or low income housing.
03:03:41.41	Director McGowan	In order to specifically identify improvements needed, staff is recommending acquiring a professional architect to assist to develop biddable plans for the improvements. Since the city is a public entity, we need to comply with a public contracts code in seeking the most responsive and responsible bidder to perform the construction work. Utilizing an architect to identify these improvements is also recommended at this point in time. There are some other delivery approaches that are mentioned in the staff report. Generally, these delivery approaches are used for much larger projects, such as in San Rafael, I was involved with the development of a new fire station. And those usual alternatives, such as a design build alternative, are mentioned in the public contracts code, but you have to have a certain threshold. And that's the cost of the work. This is so small that they don't think it's worthwhile to approach those types of alternatives at this point in time.
03:04:43.92	Director McGowan	Staff is recommending proceeding with the acquisition of an architect to develop a biddable plan for the improvements necessary to utilize the structure for city employee housing. The project has not been identified in previous years capital improvement program and the improvement costs have not been previously budgeted.
03:05:04.74	Director McGowan	In order to move forward, staff is recommending the allocation of reserve funds for the project in the amount of about $200,000.
03:05:14.46	Director McGowan	In addition, Mike Wagner has helped out with the staff report and may be able to add some context to some of the issues that have been mentioned in there as well. At that, this concludes my portion of the staff report. I'm not too sure if Mike would like to make any comments at this point in time before we turn it back over to Council.
03:05:33.30	Mike Wagner	uh just a brief comment i think it's helpful to understand the uh
03:05:37.95	Mike Wagner	the restrictive covenant that's contained in the deed for the property.
03:05:42.02	Mike Wagner	It specifically says that the property may only be used to provide moderate to low income housing
03:05:48.99	Mike Wagner	for one or more full-time employees of the city of Sasoito
03:05:52.94	Mike Wagner	including employees of the city's police and fire department.
03:05:56.74	Mike Wagner	And so what's key here is that it has to be rented for moderate and low income housing purposes.
03:06:04.31	Mike Wagner	We can't really lease it for any other purpose.
03:06:06.89	Mike Wagner	including the city employees I think they have to they have to
03:06:11.33	Mike Wagner	to meet those income requirements.
03:06:14.03	Mike Wagner	Although they're not specifically defined in the grant, the intention is clear.
03:06:21.25	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, Mike, and thank you, Director McGowan.
03:06:24.29	Mayor Kellman	Council members, any questions for staff?
03:06:29.02	Mayor Kellman	Hmm.
03:06:29.93	Hoffman	Thank you.
03:06:29.98	Hoffman	you
03:06:30.55	Hoffman	Thank you.
03:06:30.57	Mayor Kellman	Councilman Howell.
03:06:31.02	Hoffman	Go ahead. Sorry, I'm trying to find my hand thing.
03:06:34.08	Hoffman	Yeah, hey, I saw on the slide,
03:06:38.26	Hoffman	the estimate was 200,000, but I think on the first slide you had architect
03:06:44.64	Hoffman	and then your construction estimate is a 167.
03:06:50.36	Hoffman	I think that was, yeah, I think that was maybe a typo or something.
03:06:55.17	Cass Green	Um,
03:06:55.59	Hoffman	I'm just looking for what the 200,000 would include the architect or not included.
03:07:00.98	Hoffman	Go ahead.
03:07:02.04	Director McGowan	Yes, the $200,000 would include the architect.
03:07:05.53	Hoffman	Okay, gotcha. So the construction,
03:07:07.76	Hoffman	The construction estimate is like 167 or something like that.
03:07:11.22	Director McGowan	That's correct.
03:07:12.15	Hoffman	Okay, all right, thanks. That was the only question I had.
03:07:15.68	Mayor Kellman	Mm-hmm.
03:07:16.00	Mayor Kellman	Other questions?
03:07:19.32	Mayor Kellman	Okay, why don't we go ahead and open
03:07:21.04	Vice Mayor	Oh, yeah.
03:07:22.34	Vice Mayor	I have a quick question for Mike. Knowing that the significant value of a single family or even a lot,
03:07:29.29	Vice Mayor	in Fasilito. From a financial standpoint, is there a way that we could leverage an equity line to pay for these repairs? Or is there any way we can come out financially ahead as a result of this that you might speak to?
03:07:41.60	Mike Wagner	Well, there's a couple of things here. I did look into financing the improvements.
03:07:50.10	Mike Wagner	One thing to bear in mind is the cost of arranging a public financing, which is not like going to the bank to go well.
03:07:57.42	Mike Wagner	requires a large document suite, bond attorneys, legal opinions,
03:08:02.56	Mike Wagner	financial consultants as a whole slew people to comply with the law.
03:08:06.99	Mike Wagner	The fixed costs of the financing are so high that in this case, the average percentage rate, you know, APR, if you will,
03:08:17.29	Mike Wagner	It gets up as high as six and a half, seven, even higher percent. And interest rates have risen since I checked into this.
03:08:26.32	Mike Wagner	Moreover,
03:08:28.68	Mike Wagner	I think it would be difficult to get a bank to agree to a lease financing on a property with a deed restriction such as this.
03:08:35.78	Mike Wagner	because the value of a property with such a restriction is, is relatively low in the market.
03:08:41.45	Mike Wagner	No, it's not like just any single family house.
03:08:45.22	Mike Wagner	So we did look into a type of asset substitution where
03:08:50.09	Mike Wagner	we would try to
03:08:52.96	Mike Wagner	add to the financing that's already on the police fire building
03:08:57.47	Mike Wagner	No, no, no.
03:08:58.07	Mike Wagner	used for B and A.
03:09:00.01	Mike Wagner	add to that in an effort to minimize risk costs, but still the payback is much too long
03:09:08.03	Mike Wagner	You know, I don't recommend it in this case.
03:09:12.13	Vice Mayor	Okay, and maybe this is a question for the city manager, but could we perhaps have our grant team explore if there's a affordable housing grant that might qualify for the cost of these repairs, given our financial situation?
03:09:24.67	City Manager	that.
03:09:25.56	City Manager	We can do that. We can look for some other funding, but
03:09:29.14	City Manager	Yeah, I concur with what the property manager said. It's pretty expensive to borrow that small sum. My recommendation would be is you just take it out of your general fund reserve and get that money back over time.
03:09:41.54	City Manager	I think in my conversations with some of you, I've suggested that
03:09:45.32	City Manager	$200,000 for housing in Sausalito is quite the bargain.
03:09:49.64	City Manager	So we recommend you go forward with option two.
03:09:52.97	Vice Mayor	Yeah, no, it certainly is. I'm just saying there's no there's no indication that we couldn't receive grant funding after the fact to support the project or otherwise after the RFP. So it might make sense to explore what grants qualify in terms of incentivizing affordable housing. So I would love to see if we can explore that option as well.
03:10:10.11	City Manager	I concur. We'll look into it for sure.
03:10:13.84	Mayor Kellman	Any other council members have questions for stuff?
03:10:17.88	Mayor Kellman	Okay, Serge, will you please let us know, members of the public?
03:10:20.90	Serge	No comments.
03:10:22.97	Serge	Madam Mayor, we do have two public commentaries. Kevin Carroll, you've been unmuted and I can share your video.
03:10:29.00	Ian	Thank you.
03:10:29.08	Kevin Carroll	Thank you.
03:10:29.18	Serge	Right.
03:10:34.72	Kevin Carroll	Good evening, counsel. I'm just curious how many city employees would qualify for low and moderate income housing?
03:10:42.92	Kevin Carroll	I'm thinking in terms of police and fire rookie
03:10:47.81	Kevin Carroll	firemen versus supervisory personnel, but I would suspect more people in maybe park and recs and
03:10:54.71	Kevin Carroll	other city positions and I'm just curious if
03:10:58.10	Kevin Carroll	anyone has a rough number of how many people would qualify for low and moderate housing.
03:11:03.18	Kevin Carroll	Thank you.
03:11:04.64	Unknown	Thank you, Kevin.
03:11:06.85	Serge	Our next speaker is Arthur Bruce. Arthur, you've been unmuted.
03:11:18.49	Arthur Bruce	Thank you.
03:11:22.76	Arthur Bruce	Can you hear me?
03:11:24.85	Sandra Bushmaker	You can.
03:11:26.12	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
03:11:26.14	Arthur Bruce	I'll be, uh...
03:11:28.45	Arthur Bruce	In regards to this particular property,
03:11:31.91	Arthur Bruce	I'd be happy to assist the city
03:11:35.53	Arthur Bruce	AND
03:11:36.88	Arthur Bruce	helping find the proper funding
03:11:40.09	Arthur Bruce	the
03:11:42.52	Arthur Bruce	perform these repairs.
03:11:44.12	Arthur Bruce	on
03:11:45.83	Arthur Bruce	this particular property to
03:11:49.83	Arthur Bruce	ultimately make it a permanent
03:11:52.24	Arthur Bruce	Um...
03:11:53.07	Arthur Bruce	Low income housing possibility.
03:11:55.57	Arthur Bruce	Um,
03:11:56.85	Arthur Bruce	Sounds like $200,000 is a
03:11:58.92	Arthur Bruce	That's a good starting off point.
03:12:00.95	Arthur Bruce	And if it pleases
03:12:04.12	Arthur Bruce	and Madam Mayor and
03:12:06.21	Arthur Bruce	Council members, I'd be happy to
03:12:08.63	Arthur Bruce	do my due diligence
03:12:10.28	Arthur Bruce	THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
03:12:12.10	Arthur Bruce	see if I could secure the funding through my own resources.
03:12:15.46	Arthur Bruce	Um,
03:12:16.32	Arthur Bruce	and
03:12:17.23	Arthur Bruce	Hope you guys make that happen.
03:12:19.09	Arthur Bruce	Thank you.
03:12:20.27	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, sir.
03:12:22.92	Serge	Our next speaker is David Sudo. David, you've been unmuted and asked to show your video.
03:12:30.58	Jeff Putman	Good evening again, City Council.
03:12:33.74	Jeff Putman	I guess I kind of ran
03:12:35.39	Jeff Putman	basic numbers in my head and we're talking about a rather long return on investment but
03:12:40.47	Jeff Putman	I THINK THAT
03:12:41.58	Jeff Putman	there's a lot of intangibles here that
03:12:44.52	Jeff Putman	besides recruitment or retention bonus,
03:12:49.16	Jeff Putman	if we could
03:12:51.49	Jeff Putman	maybe look at targeting employees that are on an on-call basis, whether that's police, firemen or maintenance staff,
03:13:04.35	Jeff Putman	that that would create an additional benefit for our community uh you know in in times of disaster landslides fires whatever that that we have our staff living closer to us and
03:13:17.65	Jeff Putman	and have the ability to respond to help the community.
03:13:21.59	Jeff Putman	when we need it rather than being across a bridge somewhere
03:13:21.78	John DeRay	I'm not sure.
03:13:26.00	Jeff Putman	dealing with their own community.
03:13:28.50	Jeff Putman	disasters and possibly at the same time, you know, some real pluses here.
03:13:34.27	Jeff Putman	Um,
03:13:35.06	Jeff Putman	to providing relatively inexpensive
03:13:38.69	Jeff Putman	housing to our staff.
03:13:40.68	Jeff Putman	Thank you.
03:13:42.15	Arthur Bruce	Ms. Devon.
03:13:43.95	Jeff Putman	and make speaker.
03:13:44.86	Serge	is
03:13:45.98	Serge	Vicky Nichols, Vicky you've been unmuted.
03:13:49.57	Unknown	THANK YOU.
03:13:51.12	Unknown	Good evening, Mayor Kilman.
03:13:52.66	Unknown	and council members.
03:13:54.25	Unknown	I just am listening to this and I think that I appreciate what I believe it's Mr. Wagner said.
03:14:02.11	Unknown	Having known Dorothy for years, she was very clear that she wanted this for police and fire safety,
03:14:07.59	Unknown	public safety employees,
03:14:09.72	Unknown	So I would suggest that it be a full-time employee and to just add on to David Sudo's comments,
03:14:17.13	Unknown	when we did the review for the public safety buildings, I believe that there is like some extra rooms in there for
03:14:26.06	Unknown	If say an officer lives out of town and needs to stay overnight for an early court appearance, there's a facility there. I know the fire department has room for that too. It wouldn't certainly,
03:14:38.32	Unknown	provide extra space for
03:14:40.65	Unknown	a whole crew to come in on an emergency basis or on call, but neither would this location.
03:14:46.78	Unknown	I think that you have a great plan here. I'd love to see this get put back into shape so someone can be using it. Thank you.
03:14:53.80	Unknown	things begin.
03:14:55.27	Serge	Our next speaker is Karen Culligan. Karen, you've been unmuted. I'm going to share your video.
03:15:03.35	Karen Culligan	Right there.
03:15:04.19	Karen Culligan	Um,
03:15:05.14	Karen Culligan	Earlier, Councilmember Sobieski was mentioning our assets as cookies.
03:15:09.90	Karen Culligan	And this is a Koki event for at least the last three, almost three years in this,
03:15:14.93	Karen Culligan	City's possession has just been getting rained on, getting left out to rot, probably nibbled, cookies getting nibbled on by rodents and whatnot.
03:15:23.53	Karen Culligan	uh,
03:15:24.55	Karen Culligan	pretty poor way to treat our assets. So let's spend the budget site, spend the $200,000. We can find people, I mean, the income limits, it sounds kind of crazy where we are in Marin,
03:15:36.12	Karen Culligan	I think moderate is something like 128,000.
03:15:40.10	Karen Culligan	dollars per year for
03:15:41.57	Karen Culligan	a one-person household and it just goes up from there if it's multi-person stuff.
03:15:45.39	Karen Culligan	My sense is we can find ways to make it more and that's I think the rents
03:15:49.94	Karen Culligan	It can actually be a little bit higher.
03:15:51.93	Karen Culligan	so the payback gets better. Let's get some ADUs on there. It looks like a great opportunity.
03:15:57.75	Karen Culligan	Thanks.
03:15:58.68	Unknown	THANK YOU.
03:15:59.04	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:16:00.76	Unknown	Thank you.
03:16:00.77	Mayor Kellman	Any other members of the public?
03:16:02.65	Serge	Madam Mayor, I see no other hand phrase.
03:16:04.99	Mayor Kellman	Okay, I can't.
03:16:06.11	Mayor Kellman	Go ahead and close public comment. Back to the council. Any comments or would someone like to make a motion?
03:16:12.01	Mayor Kellman	Well, I will.
03:16:14.04	Hoffman	I'm sorry.
03:16:14.80	Hoffman	Sorry.
03:16:15.44	Hoffman	I keep trying to find my hand, it's up.
03:16:18.44	Hoffman	Done.
03:16:19.94	Hoffman	I just wanted to let you guys know that too, that I've also reached out to Rotary, Lions, and Sausalito Plus.
03:16:26.39	Hoffman	about, I'm sorry, South Zoo Beautiful.
03:16:29.01	Hoffman	about helping with this project too. They've all expressed interest in supporting it. They, you know, on a project sort of based
03:16:37.46	Hoffman	and I think that's a good question.
03:16:38.66	Hoffman	So when we get our construction project, and I think they're bringing it to all of their boards this week. It was just the timing was off. They didn't have time in between the...
03:16:50.39	Hoffman	anyway, the posting of the agenda to getting back to their boards for a vote. But the idea is that they would help us on certain
03:16:59.96	Hoffman	defined construction projects that we have with this project.
03:17:04.99	Hoffman	I would expect that we would get some help from the community to sort of bring our construction costs down.
03:17:11.45	Hoffman	in a way that these groups always give us fantastic support on anything that we do. So I wanted to pass that along and I'm ready to make a motion if anybody
03:17:19.67	Hoffman	You know, unless it's for males.
03:17:20.69	Mayor Kellman	AND I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET
03:17:25.05	Mayor Kellman	Great. Please call the roll. We have a person in a second. Search for the roll.
03:17:29.17	Serge	some members of Yes King?
03:17:31.19	Serge	Councilmember Livan-Noel.
03:17:34.28	Hoffman	I don't believe she's with us.
03:17:36.32	Serge	Oh, my apologies. I believe I have to co-host her just a moment.
03:17:43.24	Ian	Mm-hmm.
03:17:45.94	Serge	Councilmember Cleaver acknowledged you've been
03:17:49.10	Cleveland	.
03:17:50.83	Cleveland	Great, thank you. And if it's okay to vote on the side of my vote, yes. It was just fun.
03:17:57.85	Cleveland	I wasn't listening to the whole item, but I read the staff report. If I need to abstain, that's fine. But I would vote yes if I can.
03:18:09.53	Serge	Thank you.
03:18:09.57	Cleveland	Council member Hoffman? Mary, do you have a...
03:18:13.19	Cleveland	Sorry, I just don't, this isn't like a due process issue, I don't think, it's just a problem.
03:18:17.67	Council Member Hoffman	It's not, is it?
03:18:18.86	Council Member Hoffman	Yeah, as long as you've read the report and
03:18:22.04	Council Member Hoffman	prepared the materials. It's not like a land use decision that has a due process requirement.
03:18:27.39	Council Member Hoffman	I think you can participate.
03:18:29.39	Council Member Hoffman	All right, thank you. I vote, yeah.
03:18:32.70	Serge	Council Member Hoffman.
03:18:33.95	Council Member Hoffman	Yeah.
03:18:34.03	Sandra Bushmaker	Yes.
03:18:36.30	Serge	Vice Mayor Blosky.
03:18:37.76	Sandra Bushmaker	Yes.
03:18:38.71	Serge	And may I come.
03:18:39.77	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
03:18:39.79	Hoffman	Yes.
03:18:42.10	Hoffman	Great.
03:18:42.61	Serge	Motion passes.
03:18:42.89	Hoffman	and passes and half through. Thank you, Kevin.
03:18:44.97	Mayor Kellman	Thanks, thanks, yeah, guys, for working on us.
03:18:47.45	Mayor Kellman	Thanks everybody. Okay, we're gonna move to the consent item, which is November 8th, 2022 consolidated election key dates and events. Council member Sobieski requested that this be taken off.
03:18:58.99	Mayor Kellman	the calendar.
03:19:01.22	Mayor Kellman	I don't believe that there is any type of presentation since it was on consent.
03:19:07.60	Mayor Kellman	Maybe city manager or the city attorney wants to just tee it up and then we'll
03:19:11.93	Mayor Kellman	whatever discussion we'll have.
03:19:15.33	City Manager	I think city attorney should. She's the one that prepared the report
03:19:19.16	City Manager	It's a legal scenario to
03:19:21.22	City Manager	She should discuss.
03:19:24.10	Council Member Hoffman	Sure, Mayor Kelman, excuse me, members of the City Council. At your special meeting, Friday, April the 30th,
03:19:32.30	Ian	Thank you.
03:19:32.41	Council Member Hoffman	The council had a discussion related to
03:19:36.34	Council Member Hoffman	Measure O in particular.
03:19:38.16	Council Member Hoffman	and asked that the city attorney's office prepare
03:19:41.58	Council Member Hoffman	an outline and schedule of key dates related to the November 8th, believe it's November 8th upcoming. Yes. November 8th.
03:19:51.39	Council Member Hoffman	general election so that you could plan out when items would need to come to the council for
03:19:58.04	Council Member Hoffman	consideration and action. So that's what you have in your packet tonight. And I'm happy to address any questions that you may have.
03:20:07.96	Council Member Hoffman	Thank you.
03:20:08.03	Mayor Kellman	Okay.
03:20:11.17	Mayor Kellman	So, Councillor Zabieski, you asked this to be taken off consent. Do you have a comment?
03:20:13.87	Sobieski	Do you have a comment? I did only because I've been, as you know,
03:20:17.58	Sobieski	advocating that we do a city satisfaction survey on our city manager otherwise and the city council already has approved.
03:20:24.89	Sobieski	a small budget item and hired a survey firm
03:20:28.53	Sobieski	to do a city manager satisfaction survey that is being put together.
03:20:34.47	Sobieski	And it so happens that at the same time we are considering going
03:20:40.02	Sobieski	uh to the ballot for measure o and also have other issues on the ballot the two two potentially one and potentially two cannabis issues
03:20:49.24	Sobieski	and there may be other valid issues and I volunteered to try to work with
03:20:54.64	Sobieski	And I wanted to be volunteering to work with city staff on using our
03:20:59.61	Sobieski	FM3 firm to
03:21:02.53	Sobieski	to do survey questions associated with these ballot initiatives and in support of crafting the ballot measures.
03:21:10.06	Sobieski	in the best effective way and so i wanted to propose that there be a working group and i'm volunteering to be on it and uh
03:21:17.60	Sobieski	I've spoken to one of my colleagues,
03:21:20.45	Sobieski	you know, about it also, to,
03:21:24.30	Sobieski	TO
03:21:25.28	Sobieski	on this effort in preparation for
03:21:30.06	Sobieski	Belly.
03:21:31.86	Sobieski	So
03:21:32.89	Sobieski	That's what I wanted to just run by my colleagues to see if that's okay.
03:21:37.75	Mayor Kellman	SO YOU WANT TO CREATE A NEW WORKING GROUP.
03:21:40.59	Sobieski	just a task force or whatever for this next
03:21:44.01	Sobieski	six weeks between now and when
03:21:45.99	Sobieski	We're out of time for the
03:21:48.62	Sobieski	to get the ballot ready.
03:21:51.84	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:21:51.86	Cleveland	Council Member Clemona.
03:21:54.80	Cleveland	So I just haven't heard about this idea, but I do know that we did an FM3 survey, maybe council member, half memory members before we did measure O.
03:22:08.63	Cleveland	FOR
03:22:09.49	Cleveland	measure O. Anyway, I think it's a really good idea. I think it provides very valuable assistance and understanding what messages and needs and
03:22:19.67	Cleveland	I
03:22:21.04	Cleveland	I think that my desires kind of resonate with the community.
03:22:28.21	Cleveland	especially if we are considering increasing
03:22:31.62	Cleveland	measure o from the half cent that it currently is and perhaps discussing bifurcating it
03:22:39.67	Cleveland	I just think we need to know and understand what
03:22:44.81	Cleveland	might work.
03:22:48.68	Cleveland	I know that there's limited, you know, we have to retain our city functions and other functions, so we need to be careful around that so it would definitely need Mary's assistance and working with Council members of BSP and whoever else or
03:23:02.50	Cleveland	it's not council member, so we'll see who it is. I just worry about the timelines.
03:23:08.52	Cleveland	because I know these surveys take time to prepare. They need to be very
03:23:13.67	Cleveland	carefully worded,
03:23:16.17	Cleveland	So if we have time and budget already in this budget, council member Sobieski is talking about, I'm favorably...
03:23:24.88	Cleveland	I'm not sure we can vote on this tonight, but maybe adding an item to consent at our next meeting.
03:23:30.98	Cleveland	Um,
03:23:32.03	Cleveland	would work.
03:23:34.90	Cleveland	But I think getting public
03:23:37.36	Cleveland	FEEDBACK WOULD BE REALLY VALUABLE.
03:23:39.44	Cleveland	First.
03:23:40.45	Cleveland	because it's a good reflection on how we're doing.
03:23:43.54	Cleveland	and for these measures as well.
03:23:48.23	Cleveland	Thank you.
03:23:50.24	Vice Mayor	Just in the interest of our concerns about staff time and more working groups, et cetera, I'd like to understand what Council Member Sobieski's vision for this is and if it's just meeting with Council Member Hoffman and talking about, I just, I want to get a sense of staff time requirements and so I'm realistic about that as well.
03:24:08.48	Sobieski	Thanks, Vice Mayor. This is only because I was talking, Chris wants to
03:24:13.49	Sobieski	Chris is supportive as you know measure oh I should let him speak for himself my understanding and he can tell me if I'm wrong is he thinks measure oh is really important and we have these
03:24:22.60	Sobieski	other initiatives that have
03:24:24.95	Sobieski	Voter support.
03:24:27.70	Sobieski	like cannabis that we may want to
03:24:31.06	Sobieski	take some position on or action on and so since we're sending a survey out anyway doesn't cost us anything more to add a few questions to the survey
03:24:38.06	Sobieski	and it could potentially help us position
03:24:41.94	Sobieski	our positions on any any and all ballot initiatives that are part of this cycle and
03:24:48.19	Sobieski	I was told by Mary, I think that if we're going to do it, we have to do it now.
03:24:52.17	Sobieski	for exactly the reason that Susan said and when I was talking to Chris he said well you know I always like to have more than one council person chiming in so that's why I
03:25:02.31	Sobieski	I thought to pull it off the agenda and have this discussion now.
03:25:05.48	Sobieski	about whether to take advantage of this opportunity to do. We already have budgeted money and we're gonna
03:25:10.38	Sobieski	be sending out the survey.
03:25:11.76	Sobieski	with a couple of questions about the city.
03:25:15.37	Sobieski	the issues, when else to stick?
03:25:17.09	Sobieski	on the survey.
03:25:20.79	Vice Mayor	I also have a question if we're going to include the cannabis initiatives on there. I'm not sure. I guess I'd like to understand why we would do that since we made a decision to
03:25:29.75	Vice Mayor	allow for the democratic process to play out around the existing cannabis initiative
03:25:34.15	Vice Mayor	and not just agree to it as is. So I don't know if we would have both of them or one or what the process would be for that.
03:25:40.72	Vice Mayor	and then also,
03:25:43.33	Vice Mayor	Again, I just want to understand, I'd love to hear from the city manager about if he feels like there's capacity and staff time and what he would require of the working group. It's not that I'm not in favor of it, but I'm very concerned about creating
03:25:52.78	Vice Mayor	GIVEN WHAT WE'VE ALL COMMITTED TO AND WHAT WE'VE ALL SAID AND ALSO
03:25:56.19	Vice Mayor	just the,
03:25:58.15	Vice Mayor	the feeling around additional working groups with the staff response would be.
03:26:01.96	Mayor Kellman	I'd like to know that too.
03:26:03.35	Unknown	Yeah.
03:26:03.48	Mayor Kellman	And also, it's a great question. The city attorney also should chime in is not agendized to create a working group.
03:26:10.59	Council Member Hoffman	Yeah, so the item before you tonight was really just to bring you the election calendar, and it was brought forward as an information item, not an item for action. So if the council would like
03:26:19.70	Council Member Hoffman	to take other steps, to talk about a survey, to talk about creation of a council working group, we'd have to bring that back to you
03:26:29.00	Council Member Hoffman	At your next meeting in May, I mean, I do note, you have an existing council working group that's working on the Ferry land side improvements. That is one of the,
03:26:38.38	Council Member Hoffman	potential voter initiatives that will be brought forward.
03:26:41.57	Council Member Hoffman	you may want to just take advantage of the fact that you've got that existing working group that could work with the city manager if that's the council's pleasure
03:26:48.22	Council Member Hoffman	But just to be clear, this was really a limited item to here are the upcoming election dates.
03:26:54.44	Council Member Hoffman	And that if you want to do more than that, we would need you to give us direction to put that on a future agenda.
03:27:01.55	Sobieski	Just...
03:27:02.14	Sobieski	you
03:27:02.34	City Manager	Look to Chris to see what he needs.
03:27:04.82	City Manager	Yeah, limited, thank you, Vice Mayor, for your concerns. I really appreciate it.
03:27:10.75	City Manager	This is one of those that actually would
03:27:13.11	City Manager	So.
03:27:14.58	City Manager	because as we all know, this expires in 2024.
03:27:18.54	City Manager	And if it does, you'll have bigger problems in staff times because a lot of things could go wrong. So we need to get it out there if we can this cycle. And so I'm happy to work on this committee.
03:27:31.18	Mayor Kellman	Guys, I have to just chime in. We just had a whole conversation about staff time.
03:27:36.02	Mayor Kellman	I WAS ADVOCATING FOR A WORKING GROUP
03:27:38.86	Mayor Kellman	Now I'm getting this launched. No one talked to me about it beforehand. I'm having a lot of trouble with it.
03:27:45.24	Mayor Kellman	um,
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03:27:47.91	Mayor Kellman	I just want to express that. It just feels a pretty
03:27:51.58	Mayor Kellman	hypocritical and so I'm not quite sure how to remedy that
03:27:55.52	Mayor Kellman	GIVEN THAT I WAS JUST WASN'T GIVEN A HEADS UP AND THERE WAS A LOT OF
03:27:59.33	Mayor Kellman	very clear
03:28:00.82	Mayor Kellman	DIALOGUE ABOUT WHY NO OTHER WORKING GROUPS.
03:28:03.35	Mayor Kellman	I just want to let you all know I'm having
03:28:05.88	Mayor Kellman	some difficulty with this right in the moment.
03:28:10.06	Mayor Kellman	Council Barbara Hoffman, please.
03:28:12.56	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:28:12.63	Hoffman	Thank you.
03:28:12.66	Mayor Kellman	Thanks.
03:28:13.17	Hoffman	Yeah, there is some irony.
03:28:14.77	Hoffman	in this discussion, no doubt.
03:28:17.08	Hoffman	But so, I mean, it's not on the agenda for both, right? I think council member, I mean, I don't know.
03:28:24.42	Hoffman	discussed it with council member Sobieski prior, but,
03:28:28.34	Hoffman	Um,
03:28:29.17	Hoffman	I think perhaps he just saw the opportunity to discuss this and bring it up, right?
03:28:34.45	Hoffman	So it's not an agenda for a vote. So we're accepting
03:28:38.48	Hoffman	the election schedule as is,
03:28:41.92	Hoffman	There's already a very working group, that's Council Member Sobieski and me, or whoever,
03:28:52.33	Hoffman	And so I think it's, we would ask them to be
03:28:58.00	Hoffman	worked on it between now and maybe
03:29:01.30	Hoffman	The next city council meeting and asked that it be agendized.
03:29:05.51	Hoffman	maybe as a working group, I may just come back as
03:29:08.64	Hoffman	Here's the recommendation.
03:29:10.29	Hoffman	We do the FMG.
03:29:11.86	Hoffman	survey, we do these questions.
03:29:14.74	Hoffman	And that's what's on the agenda. It's not a working group. I mean, it's not, I don't think his suggestion is like an involved rocket science kind of thing, even though he is a rocket scientist, as we all know.
03:29:24.70	Hoffman	That's kind of what I'm feeling.
03:29:27.20	Hoffman	That's what I'm hearing. I'm happy to work on it. I'm happy to not work on it.
03:29:31.47	Hoffman	And that's sort of the way I see it. So that's just my point.
03:29:34.40	Sobieski	That's...
03:29:36.87	Sobieski	That's exactly right. Sorry I used the phrase working group. Good thought.
03:29:41.32	Sobieski	I meant that Chris said he wanted a little help,
03:29:43.99	Sobieski	And I was trying to help without it just being me and having it be me and somebody else. So that's all. And I think what Jill just outlined.
03:29:51.55	Sobieski	is perfectly fine and just we have a city survey going out and maybe we can fill out to everybody and it can be
03:29:58.65	Sobieski	you can contribute to
03:30:00.91	Sobieski	the things you want to be on the survey to
03:30:05.00	Sobieski	the city manager and
03:30:08.91	Sobieski	and that's it. So we can hash it out on the next city council meeting or we can give
03:30:16.44	Sobieski	staff some direction about the kinds of things that should be asked.
03:30:19.86	Sobieski	and they can sort it out.
03:30:24.69	Mayor Kellman	Vice Mayor, your hand is up.
03:30:26.08	Sobieski	I'm sorry, the point only is, as our city attorney said,
03:30:31.05	Sobieski	In support of the ballot initiative, Measure O and others,
03:30:36.11	Sobieski	if we're going to take advantage of this lending or spending on the survey
03:30:40.35	Sobieski	person then we got to do it soon so it would have to be on the next agenda and next city council meeting sorry
03:30:47.79	Mayor Kellman	Okay.
03:30:48.50	Mayor Kellman	Well, um,
03:30:50.41	Mayor Kellman	In addition to the other comment I made, I just like to state them that if this is about measure O,
03:30:55.56	Mayor Kellman	Let's add it to the Finance Committee agenda.
03:30:58.29	Mayor Kellman	and we can certainly talk about it.
03:31:00.28	Mayor Kellman	If this is however about
03:31:02.02	Mayor Kellman	11-28.
03:31:03.50	Mayor Kellman	That's a whole different topic. And I think that needs to get more fully and more transparently vetted with the entire council
03:31:09.78	Mayor Kellman	before a working group undertake.
03:31:11.98	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:31:12.23	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:31:13.34	Mayor Kellman	Thanks.
03:31:17.46	Mayor Kellman	want there to be a little bit more transparency around what the request is regarding this. And it feels a little...
03:31:25.17	Mayor Kellman	obscure to me, or like it's being a little obscure, and so I'm not entirely comfortable with the dialogue.
03:31:34.25	Mayor Kellman	Vice Mayor.
03:31:36.31	Vice Mayor	Yeah, just out of respect for the mayor's discomfort, maybe we all just kind of agree that this will be future agendized but that the city manager will get the support he needs on Measure O somehow. I think that the situation here is that
03:31:49.79	Vice Mayor	that council member Sobieski was, correct me if I'm wrong, looking for a way to support the city manager on measure O, which we had all requested, and maybe we needed a more robust agenda item just on measure O. But I, I,
03:32:03.36	Vice Mayor	I'm just trying to find a way that we can all leave the item comfortably with a plan forward that makes sense and is transparent. I would agree with the mayor's comments about 1128 being a separate measure.
03:32:16.47	Mayor Kellman	Yeah, thank you, Vice Mayor. Councilor Barclay-Banelson.
03:32:20.18	Cleveland	Thanks. I'm just thinking back and kind of having my memory jogged. One of the issues with these surveys
03:32:28.98	Cleveland	is I don't think we did, we authorized the survey and we said the kind of general topics
03:32:35.89	Cleveland	So I think that's important and that probably is a finance committee thing to authorize the survey and the scope of the survey.
03:32:42.48	Cleveland	but
03:32:43.74	Cleveland	We definitely didn't get involved as a council in framing questions.
03:32:47.67	Cleveland	Because I think that's like, we don't want
03:32:51.07	Cleveland	I think we just wanted the survey person to come up with neutral objective questions.
03:32:56.45	Cleveland	this isn't a campaign, right? We're not acting as a city council in gathering information about public
03:33:03.26	Cleveland	We're not campaigning. I'm not supposed to be, no one's supposed to be campaigning at this point.
03:33:09.42	Cleveland	So I do think, and Mary, you know, maybe Mary needs to kind of
03:33:14.67	Cleveland	give some guidance, not maybe tonight, but just in the background also. Like, I don't think we're going to vote on questions. I think we're just talking about the contract.
03:33:23.45	Cleveland	And so if that's the issue, maybe the finance committee is the best place
03:33:27.14	Cleveland	we need to augment the contract.
03:33:29.94	Cleveland	That sounds fine. But I think the most expeditious thing, most expeditious way to get what we need going forward, just sort of echoing the vice mayor's comments,
03:33:41.17	Cleveland	On measure O, that's my priority. And the other stuff is not particularly
03:33:47.65	Cleveland	at this point a priority, but obviously if we can
03:33:51.78	Cleveland	We've got more for our money.
03:33:54.63	Cleveland	But again, I don't really want to be debating here
03:33:57.64	Cleveland	what kinds of survey questions we should ask with that.
03:34:01.87	Cleveland	could have.
03:34:03.71	Cleveland	negative all out.
03:34:07.22	Cleveland	Bye-bye.
03:34:08.77	Cleveland	Sorry, I'm not very organized, but I'm trying to search my memory for where I know we had this conversation at a council level before and we decided we're not.
03:34:11.36	Ian	I'm trying to
03:34:11.91	Ian	Thank you.
03:34:11.96	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
03:34:12.00	Ian	Thank you.
03:34:12.17	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
03:34:17.92	Cleveland	We're not getting into those weeks.
03:34:19.88	Cleveland	for various reasons.
03:34:21.19	Council Member Hoffman	Mayor Kelman, if I may, just to bring us back to the topic at hand.
03:34:26.22	Council Member Hoffman	which is the
03:34:28.60	Council Member Hoffman	Schedule.
03:34:29.68	Council Member Hoffman	um i think in a more in-depth conversation about a survey may be necessary
03:34:34.32	Council Member Hoffman	but it's not on your agenda.
03:34:38.34	Mayor Kellman	Okay.
03:34:39.01	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:34:40.84	Mayor Kellman	Okay, Councilman Hoffman, that in mind, comments?
03:34:44.03	Hoffman	WITH THAT IN MIND,
03:34:45.83	Hoffman	So let me ask a follow-up.
03:34:48.63	Hoffman	So can we, what needs to happen?
03:34:53.29	Hoffman	if we want at least the measure othing to be considered on the next
03:34:58.69	Hoffman	Finance Committee. We need to get the survey out soon. I'm cool with the Finance Committee.
03:35:05.98	Hoffman	measure O, if it comes back to us, then I agree with council member Cleveland Knowles.
03:35:11.58	Hoffman	asking the questions or drafting the questions for a survey is an art form, right? Like that I get, that's why we hired the survey company. The subjects though, that we might wanna add to it opportunistically because we're sending it out
03:35:27.97	Hoffman	you know, we may need to have that conversation along with, hey, let's add in Measure O.
03:35:32.83	Hoffman	Mayor, I guess.
03:35:33.79	Hoffman	I think that's a whole,
03:35:37.10	Hoffman	maybe it's another agenda or maybe it's just, hey, finance committee talk about Measure O and then we'll figure out when it comes back to the council, right? Is that the way?
03:35:46.53	Hoffman	this procedural question.
03:35:48.69	Council Member Hoffman	Yeah, so if the city manager wants to bring the discussion about Measure O to the Finance Committee and include a survey discussion, then that's fine. It's not on your agenda tonight, so I really recommend that we stop talking about it as part of this agenda item.
03:36:04.67	Council Member Hoffman	the council could also at future agenda items, you know, direct
03:36:09.77	Council Member Hoffman	where you want this to go.
03:36:11.74	Council Member Hoffman	And I don't recall, and the city manager may very well, if you've already entered into a contract with FM3, if we'd be expanding the scope of that contract, if it's a new contract, and if that would be under his authority or if that would need to come back to the city council.
03:36:29.68	Council Member Hoffman	Thank you.
03:36:29.70	Mayor Kellman	Okay, so I'm hearing this is the full breadth of the conversation we can have here at this time.
03:36:36.36	Mayor Kellman	but there's interest in having further conversation and certainly supporting this as to measure O.
03:36:41.80	Mayor Kellman	I have to confess, I cannot remember if we have taken public comment on this. Does anybody recall? We have not, Madam Mayor. Okay, great. So let's open it and take public comment.
03:36:52.33	Serge	Madam Mayor, we do have some public comments. Arthur Bruce, you've been unmuted and I ask you to share your video.
03:36:58.74	Mayor Kellman	GREAT, THANK YOU.
03:37:06.47	Arthur Bruce	Um, Madam Mayor,
03:37:08.95	Arthur Bruce	Vice Mayor, Council Members,
03:37:12.66	Arthur Bruce	Just in regards to the consulting,
03:37:17.28	Arthur Bruce	et cetera.
03:37:18.13	Arthur Bruce	I just wanted to
03:37:19.80	Arthur Bruce	go on record letting everyone know that
03:37:23.36	Arthur Bruce	But I do offer a class, it's a one hour class,
03:37:27.16	Arthur Bruce	I can teach it to you guys. I can teach it to the police department. Um,
03:37:31.31	Arthur Bruce	It's free of charge and it teaches, um,
03:37:34.99	Arthur Bruce	civil servants how to not violate constitutional and
03:37:39.98	Arthur Bruce	of
03:37:41.62	Arthur Bruce	their constituents.
03:37:43.29	Arthur Bruce	Once again, I do offer this class for free.
03:37:45.62	Arthur Bruce	and it,
03:37:47.15	Arthur Bruce	Thank you.
03:37:47.58	Arthur Bruce	be available at any time.
03:37:49.60	Arthur Bruce	Thank you.
03:37:51.54	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, Mr. Bruce.
03:38:00.94	Serge	I'm glad you've been unmuted.
03:38:03.66	Sandra Bushmaker	I'm here now. All right.
03:38:05.40	Sandra Bushmaker	I have to say I was very disturbed by this discussion you just had on this item that was removed from the consent calendar.
03:38:13.51	Sandra Bushmaker	It feels like there is a subterranean agenda going on and it does not meet the daylight test, the sunlight test, the open meeting act test. It doesn't meet any of that. And it leaves me as a member of the public
03:38:29.00	Sandra Bushmaker	feeling
03:38:30.00	Sandra Bushmaker	extraordinarily
03:38:32.65	Sandra Bushmaker	distrustful of why this agenda item was removed from the consent calendar and what the motivation really was behind it.
03:38:39.43	Sandra Bushmaker	So I just wanted to say that I don't like what I heard.
03:38:44.97	Sandra Bushmaker	And I appreciate the fact that
03:38:47.04	Sandra Bushmaker	the city attorney shut down the conversation.
03:38:50.42	Sandra Bushmaker	and put it in its proper place, thank you.
03:38:55.50	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
03:38:55.53	Mayor Kellman	Okay, thanks very much. Any other members of the public search?
03:38:58.30	Serge	Madam Mayor, I see no other hands raised.
03:39:00.76	Mayor Kellman	Okay, we'll close public comment back to the dais.
03:39:03.73	Mayor Kellman	No action required, but I think we can commit to making this a further agenda, future agenda item.
03:39:11.17	Mayor Kellman	Councilmember Sabiasky.
03:39:12.19	Sobieski	I just would like to apologize for making anyone feel uncomfortable.
03:39:16.71	Sobieski	simply trying to
03:39:19.81	Sobieski	trying to do the right thing so we have this discussion about measure O and we have this survey we already paid for
03:39:29.23	Sobieski	So I wanted to alert people to that. And that's why I asked for it to be pulled off the...
03:39:34.70	Sobieski	talk about.
03:39:36.54	Sobieski	because it had to do with the ballot initiative i thought that was the appropriate way to
03:39:40.69	Sobieski	have this discussion among ourselves.
03:39:43.37	Sobieski	I think.
03:39:44.30	Sobieski	What we know now that everyone has forgotten is that we've paid for this survey and as
03:39:49.73	Sobieski	And if we want to send it out to learn whether our residents
03:39:53.89	Sobieski	are supportive of a continuing measure O or increasing it.
03:39:58.27	Sobieski	or doing something else with it, then we should
03:40:05.56	Sobieski	we should take advantage of that opportunity. And while we still have a window on
03:40:09.97	Sobieski	you
03:40:10.03	Mayor Kellman	you
03:40:10.24	Sobieski	I'm considering what to do with Measure O.
03:40:12.13	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:40:14.34	Mayor Kellman	Fair enough and excellent point.
03:40:16.24	Mayor Kellman	Okay, so we will turn to this at a future agenda item.
03:40:21.14	Mayor Kellman	And we do have agenda setting later this week. So thanks, everybody.
03:40:24.93	Mayor Kellman	Okay, if nothing else on that matter, then we'll move on to item six, communications. This is a time for city council to hear from citizens regarding matters not on the agenda.
03:40:33.59	Mayor Kellman	except in very limited situations, state law precludes the council from taking action or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda.
03:40:42.42	Mayor Kellman	If we have any members of the public,
03:40:45.27	Serge	Madam Mayor, there is a hand raised, and Sandra Bushmaker, you've been unmuted, and I have to share your video.
03:40:53.62	Sandra Bushmaker	I'm calm now.
03:40:56.25	Sandra Bushmaker	I just wanted to,
03:40:58.63	Sandra Bushmaker	ASK YOU
03:41:00.15	Sandra Bushmaker	If you've been following the COVID numbers in Marin County,
03:41:04.27	Sandra Bushmaker	We had 280 new cases in the last 24 hours.
03:41:09.57	Sandra Bushmaker	I happen to
03:41:11.12	Sandra Bushmaker	look at these statistics every day.
03:41:14.04	Sandra Bushmaker	And it's pretty shocking to see what's happening. I know in Marin County, our children are being asked to re-mask.
03:41:21.06	Sandra Bushmaker	And so
03:41:23.31	Sandra Bushmaker	I just want to bring that issue up so that we are careful that we are not out of the woods yet and that we continue to have safe meetings for yourselves and for the staff and for the public.
03:41:35.91	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
03:41:37.53	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you very much.
03:41:39.67	Sandra Bushmaker	Mr. Bruce.
03:41:43.45	Serge	You've been unmuted.
03:41:55.54	Arthur Bruce	I wanted to raise the question again.
03:42:01.09	Arthur Bruce	Um, where...
03:42:03.94	Arthur Bruce	Are the...
03:42:06.12	Arthur Bruce	The city.
03:42:08.92	Arthur Bruce	stated clearly in the last city council meeting that the reason that the city was
03:42:13.59	Arthur Bruce	basically having a
03:42:15.28	Arthur Bruce	The budget crisis was because of the
03:42:17.71	Arthur Bruce	improper management of the
03:42:19.84	Arthur Bruce	Pension funds.
03:42:22.55	Arthur Bruce	Um, and
03:42:24.55	Arthur Bruce	Yeah.
03:42:26.01	Arthur Bruce	They continue to, the city continues to scapegoat the
03:42:30.23	Arthur Bruce	homeless camp and
03:42:32.78	Arthur Bruce	anchor out as the reason for
03:42:36.46	Arthur Bruce	for not having enough
03:42:38.35	Arthur Bruce	for being broke.
03:42:40.05	Arthur Bruce	It seems obvious to me that
03:42:44.31	Arthur Bruce	The reason the city is broke is because of the mismanagement
03:42:49.98	Arthur Bruce	the pensions and, um,
03:42:54.67	Arthur Bruce	I just...
03:42:55.54	Arthur Bruce	I'd like to ask you to stop doing that.
03:43:00.45	Arthur Bruce	not nice.
03:43:08.69	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, Mr. Bruce. Appreciate your comments.
03:43:11.88	Serge	And, Madam Mayor, there are no other hands raised.
03:43:14.29	Mayor Kellman	Okay, public comment on item six is closed. Item seven.
03:43:17.13	Mayor Kellman	Council member committee reports. Does anybody have anything to share on that topic?
03:43:22.29	Mayor Kellman	We can take public comment on council member committee reports of which we had done.
03:43:27.20	Mayor Kellman	So I'm not sure if anybody has public comment.
03:43:30.95	Serge	Search.
03:43:31.72	Serge	Madam Mayor, there are no hands raised for that item.
03:43:34.73	Mayor Kellman	Public comment is now closed on that item. Moving along.
03:43:37.88	Mayor Kellman	We are now on item eight, city manager report, city council appointments, and other council business. We do, in fact, have city council appointments tonight.
03:43:45.31	Mayor Kellman	So we will start off with public comment
03:43:47.06	Mayor Kellman	on city manager reports, city council appointments and other council business.
03:43:51.53	Mayor Kellman	PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:43:54.13	Mayor Kellman	Ah.
03:43:54.22	Serge	Madam Mayor, I...
03:43:55.97	Serge	I see no members of the public with their rights.
03:44:00.33	Mayor Kellman	OK.
03:44:00.99	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:44:01.04	Vice Mayor	Great. So now back up, Vice Mayor.
03:44:04.14	Vice Mayor	Yeah, I just from the I'm sorry, I'm a little late to the game. I didn't know where to report this out, but I realized it's a working group report out. I just wanted to make sure that we shared that the city of Sausalito is going to
03:44:16.81	Vice Mayor	is going to recognize Juneteenth as a national holiday and Abbott Chambers from the library has been working very hard on some really excellent programming around the celebration of Juneteenth, which will be
03:44:27.02	Vice Mayor	a play performance that will tell the story of Brown v. Board of Education. And it's a really great,
03:44:33.44	Vice Mayor	of talented actors that are gonna come here.
03:44:38.08	Vice Mayor	City Manager, do you have the exact date? It's May, it's at the end of May. So I don't have- 2-12.
03:44:44.27	John DeRay	And I don't have a question.
03:44:46.65	Vice Mayor	Sorry, pardon me.
03:44:47.92	John DeRay	I love it.
03:44:48.00	John DeRay	Well,
03:44:52.81	Vice Mayor	So I just wanted to make sure that was noted. Of course, we'll go out in currents, but that's something that the mayor and I have been working on in our racial justice DEI working group and wanted to share and thank Abbott Chambers for his hard work on bringing that opportunity to the city of Cecilio.
03:45:07.93	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thank you for remembering to share that with everybody. And again, the hard work of Abbott. So thank you for that.
03:45:16.64	Mayor Kellman	Okay, over to our city manager, information for council.
03:45:20.84	City Manager	So to kind of segue on the vice mayor
03:45:23.88	City Manager	report on the Juneteenth activity. I want to make clear that
03:45:27.62	City Manager	intentionally we made sure that it didn't
03:45:31.28	City Manager	conflict or compete with any Marin City activities.
03:45:34.59	City Manager	that it would complement what they do the following week and that we partner. So I hope that's clear to the public. I'll be brief. I just want to inform the city council and the public that
03:45:44.18	City Manager	Urban Alchemist contract will expire in June on June 30th and it won't be renewed.
03:45:49.48	City Manager	Mayor Kelman and Vice Mayor Blauskin will be working with our staff.
03:45:53.83	City Manager	to work on a transition plan to ensure the safety
03:45:57.15	City Manager	and management of the temporary encampment at the Marine ship.
03:45:59.89	City Manager	THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
03:46:02.23	Mayor Kellman	Thank you, City Manager.
03:46:03.85	Mayor Kellman	Any questions for the city manager?
03:46:07.21	Mayor Kellman	Okay, not see any, we'll move on to item, let's see, the 8C, Affirmments of Boards, Commissions and Committees.
03:46:13.98	Mayor Kellman	Okay, so tonight we are making a series of
03:46:17.83	Mayor Kellman	appointments. It looks like
03:46:20.66	Mayor Kellman	If you recall on April 30th, we interviewed for the New York Preservations Commission, the Library Board of Trustees,
03:46:25.89	Mayor Kellman	the Parks and Recreation Commission and the Economic Development Advisory Committee.
03:46:29.64	Mayor Kellman	And then we also have a number of
03:46:31.88	Mayor Kellman	committees to make reappointments to. So I'm gonna try to follow this
03:46:37.72	Mayor Kellman	Um,
03:46:38.85	Mayor Kellman	I'm trying to follow the staff report
03:46:41.35	Mayor Kellman	AND AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE JUST SIMPLY VOTE
03:46:47.56	Mayor Kellman	There's no council discussion. And then we move from there.
03:46:52.60	Vice Mayor	I'm just a little bit uncomfortable with us making appointments right now when the city manager just sent out a memo to all of our boards and commissions, giving them 45 days to circle back with what their purpose is going to be and how they'd like to be made up.
03:47:06.19	Vice Mayor	And especially given that some of the boards and commissions that are gonna continue as Brown Act, maybe folks who were on other committees would wanna apply to those or otherwise, I feel like we should wait until we know what the makeup of all the boards and commissions are gonna be
03:47:20.03	Vice Mayor	appoint new people or reinstate people. I would like to just get the 45 days to see what the boards and commissions come back with so we know what the makeup is, as opposed to,
03:47:29.85	Vice Mayor	reinstating people right now, given the robust discussion that we just had. I don't know what the other council members feel like, but I would be pretty disappointed if I got appointed to the EDAC and then a couple of weeks later, found out that that was no longer a valid appointment
03:47:43.57	Vice Mayor	it had changed or so I just I would really like to have
03:47:47.35	Vice Mayor	more information given our meeting last week. But I'm open to discussion, that's just a concern I have.
03:47:53.69	Mayor Kellman	Yeah, valid concern. Council Member Hoffman and then the city members
03:47:56.97	Hoffman	Thank you.
03:47:58.16	Hoffman	Actually, yeah, I agree with that. I also sense the irony.
03:48:03.41	Hoffman	us doing interviews and then
03:48:05.93	Hoffman	you know, talking about how we were going to
03:48:07.75	Hoffman	So, but you know, obviously I'm always happy to listen to other council members, but
03:48:12.71	Hoffman	Yeah, I think that, I see the logic in that. So anyway.
03:48:17.84	Hoffman	Okay.
03:48:18.90	Hoffman	City Manager.
03:48:19.76	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:48:20.57	City Manager	Thank you, Mayor and Council of Public. Vice Mayor is right.
03:48:24.71	City Manager	that letter is going out. It was sent out to the council in draft
03:48:29.21	City Manager	I'm getting comments and I will send it out
03:48:31.91	City Manager	So no one's actually received it yet, but they will be receiving it.
03:48:34.83	Ian	Thank you.
03:48:34.90	Ian	Thank you.
03:48:34.95	City Manager	Thank you.
03:48:34.97	Ian	Thank you.
03:48:34.99	City Manager	once I insert comments that you provided me on that particular memo.
03:48:35.00	Ian	Thank you.
03:48:35.15	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:48:42.00	Mayor Kellman	OK.
03:48:43.27	Mayor Kellman	Council Member Cleveland Knowles or Council Member Sobieski, do either of you have different perspectives on that?
03:48:50.07	Mayor Kellman	Okay, I fully support that as well. So I'll just, yes, Councilman Clivenos.
03:48:55.01	Cleveland	I fully support it. I just, I think given that we were pretty clear last Saturday that we were going to get back to the folks that we interviewed, I just think if we could ask our clerk
03:49:06.56	Cleveland	to send out a very just like
03:49:09.53	Cleveland	you know, a thank you email to everyone that interviewed and then just explain that we later that day have this conversation and that it'll just be longer.
03:49:18.13	Cleveland	just to respect the people's time that they took to come.
03:49:21.91	Cleveland	spend with us on a Saturday.
03:49:24.04	Cleveland	So as long as that happens, I'm fully supportive.
03:49:28.04	Mayor Kellman	And I'll add, so as well, I see several folks still on the call and I just want to apologize.
03:49:32.73	Mayor Kellman	for not alerting you to this sooner. And thank you for having spent the evening with us.
03:49:38.47	Mayor Kellman	I hope it was beneficial in some way, but I do apologize for not alerting to this in an earlier hour.
03:49:45.93	Mayor Kellman	but I think that is the direction. So it sounds like we were gonna hold off then on making appointments.
03:49:51.60	Mayor Kellman	and there's no action then required.
03:49:55.44	Mayor Kellman	So then,
03:49:56.84	Mayor Kellman	With that said, we're on to future agenda items.
03:49:59.76	Serge	Madam Mayor, if I may, would it be possible for council to consider
03:50:01.81	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
03:50:05.06	Serge	doing some of the
03:50:07.95	Serge	um,
03:50:09.55	Serge	to accept the resignations that we have?
03:50:12.61	Mayor Kellman	Yes, great, great. Thank you. That's excellent. Thank you for bringing that back to us.
03:50:15.81	Cleveland	Thank you.
03:50:18.72	Mayor Kellman	So let's see. I'll move that motion to accept the resignation.
03:50:19.64	Cleveland	I'm just going to make a motion.
03:50:22.75	Mayor Kellman	Do we have to do two separate motions, one for EDAC, one for FBAC, or can it be...
03:50:27.42	Mayor Kellman	You can do it.
03:50:27.46	Council Member Hoffman	You can do this together.
03:50:28.10	Council Member Hoffman	THE OTHER THING.
03:50:28.30	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:50:28.59	Mayor Kellman	Okay, great. Then I'll second that.
03:50:30.88	Serge	Thank you.
03:50:32.23	Mayor Kellman	Please call the roll.
03:50:33.83	Serge	Council member Sobieski?
03:50:36.45	Serge	Councilmember Villeneuve.
03:50:38.02	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:50:38.04	Vice Mayor	Yeah.
03:50:38.95	Serge	Council Member Hoffman.
03:50:40.08	Vice Mayor	Yes.
03:50:40.87	Serge	Vice Mayor Blousey?
03:50:42.20	Vice Mayor	Yes.
03:50:43.03	Serge	And may I come in?
03:50:45.60	Mayor Kellman	Yes.
03:50:47.28	Serge	THANK YOU.
03:50:47.94	Mayor Kellman	Okay, thank you for that, Serge. Good call.
03:50:49.80	Mayor Kellman	All right, now we're on to future agenda items, item 8D.
03:50:53.80	Mayor Kellman	Anybody have anything to add? Yes, Vice Mayor.
03:50:57.98	Mayor Kellman	Oh, let's let Kelly
03:50:59.03	Vice Mayor	Council Member Hoffman go, because you can't see her little hand emoji,
03:51:01.93	Mayor Kellman	We'll be right back.
03:51:01.98	Mayor Kellman	I know. It's the same colors
03:51:02.03	Vice Mayor	I know.
03:51:04.99	Hoffman	THE FAMILY.
03:51:06.03	Hoffman	or background as I keep missing it.
03:51:07.64	Hoffman	I know.
03:51:08.80	Hoffman	Um...
03:51:09.90	Hoffman	Yeah, okay, so the joint planning and city council meeting,
03:51:16.99	Hoffman	that we've been talking about for a year and a half now. So just to add it in there at some point.
03:51:26.86	Ian	Thank you.
03:51:27.25	Vice Mayor	Thank you.
03:51:28.83	Vice Mayor	Yeah.
03:51:33.02	Vice Mayor	Okay, I have a couple. One is that I had some conversations with the folks at Tideline
03:51:40.15	Vice Mayor	about potentially creating a ferry service from like that would bounce from Tiburon to Sausalito to the city and they are working a little bit with some of the members of EDAC on a proposal and I'd love to get that on a future agenda item for consideration because it would be fun to have as a summertime.
03:51:55.38	Vice Mayor	pilot, if at all possible, potentially. The other is that we had received some correspondence. I think I mentioned this last time, but I would love to hear again from the folks running the tunnel project between Marin City and Sausalito and the status of that.
03:52:08.20	Vice Mayor	is and what it looks like. We also received some correspondence from the Salcedo Community Boating Center asking for an opportunity to give us an updated report. So I just wanted to mention that for additions to future agenda items. And finally, the Sustainability Commission is still considering an electrification for new building ordinance, which the County of Marin is working on now. And I'd like to just get it on the radar that we have a presentation from the County of
03:52:32.28	Vice Mayor	and
03:52:33.14	Vice Mayor	their new regulations and how we might take that on as well.
03:52:37.75	Vice Mayor	Great, great list.
03:52:39.42	Vice Mayor	Thank you.
03:52:39.49	Cleveland	Councillor Crivenoso.
03:52:42.12	Cleveland	Yeah, I just want I just worked with a city manager about this, but I did just want to note that it would be good at our next budget item to get a calendar revised calendar. I think we were supposed to have
03:52:55.48	Cleveland	the workshop today. I know we just
03:52:58.01	Cleveland	adopted the mid-year budget but I want you know we're
03:53:02.60	Cleveland	We're well into May and we need to adopt our budget by the end of June. So we've got three meetings and I just want to understand
03:53:10.52	Cleveland	um,
03:53:11.30	Cleveland	that schedule and what we're going to do at each of the three. I see it on our future agenda items, but I just want to make sure that we're paying attention to the calendar and that time is ticking.
03:53:22.26	Cleveland	And then the only comment I have on the joint hearing with the planning commission is I have never had a general
03:53:30.45	Cleveland	I've never been involved in that.
03:53:32.69	Cleveland	speak or more years are gonna
03:53:35.23	Cleveland	planning commission and city council in any kind of
03:53:38.57	Cleveland	and you know, free ranging joint meeting are always about a particular thing. So for example, we had several meetings about the ferry landing.
03:53:46.61	Cleveland	I guess that was joint with the HPC
03:53:49.23	Cleveland	I don't.
03:53:50.09	Cleveland	even know if we ever had a joint meeting with the city council.
03:53:53.91	Cleveland	And we haven't had one since I've been on the city council.
03:53:56.81	Cleveland	given that there's 10 people on the dais,
03:54:00.74	Cleveland	They are very awkward, very time consuming. Everyone's comments are confined. We have to put people on the clock.
03:54:08.47	Cleveland	IT'S NOT
03:54:11.17	Cleveland	it's very hard to have a productive dialogue. So if we have a focused issue,
03:54:16.70	Cleveland	like one particular thing, I'd be happy to consider that.
03:54:22.41	Cleveland	I just think our time will be better
03:54:24.82	Cleveland	spend.
03:54:25.38	Cleveland	with individual briefing and perhaps one or two members
03:54:29.87	Cleveland	of the planning commission coming to one of our meetings or vice versa.
03:54:33.29	Cleveland	Amen.
03:54:34.94	Cleveland	it's cumbersome unless it's super focused.
03:54:37.85	Cleveland	So I would just add that to the council member Hoffman's
03:54:42.13	Cleveland	Yeah.
03:54:43.87	Cleveland	No. So not unsupportive, but
03:54:46.96	Cleveland	just really wary of the time we've been spending
03:54:51.03	Cleveland	and staff time.
03:54:52.95	Cleveland	making sure we understand why we're meeting and what the focus of that meeting is.
03:54:58.35	Cleveland	for the end of the year.
03:54:58.98	Mayor Kellman	Thank you.
03:55:01.62	Mayor Kellman	okay uh i know that the planning commission has sent over um priorities or things that they are working on and i think maybe the vice mayor and i can look through those um and either just
03:55:12.00	Mayor Kellman	add those as an agenda item for us all to talk about to say what what topics we think we might want to focus more on and
03:55:17.89	Mayor Kellman	and bring the chair and the vice chair of the planning commission in to discuss with us or
03:55:22.18	Mayor Kellman	but
03:55:23.07	Mayor Kellman	you know, kind of run through those and see how they dovetail with the things we're working on might be one way to do it.
03:55:29.74	Hoffman	Yeah, let me, it might also be, I know there's a lot of,
03:55:34.43	Hoffman	planning and ordinances that are coming down that really affect our housing element and what we're doing there. And also the idea of the master plan.
03:55:37.79	Greg	really, really.
03:55:44.54	Hoffman	Those might be to, you know, council member Cleve-Knowell's point, what's the focused conversation with the planning commission and why would you have a joint meeting? Those might be two.
03:55:53.89	Hoffman	um,
03:55:55.00	Hoffman	Two good things for us to focus on.
03:55:57.62	Mayor Kellman	Okay.
03:55:57.97	Mayor Kellman	Yep.
03:55:59.66	Mayor Kellman	I've got just a handful. I'd love at some point to talk about a smart city app
03:56:05.31	Mayor Kellman	and how that benefits our community. We'll talk about the fishing pier. I think I actually said that last time. And I feel like we need an update on EV charging
03:56:13.48	Mayor Kellman	I still don't quite know where we are with that in our level 2 chargers.
03:56:17.60	Mayor Kellman	And I know that council member for the Knowles and the vice mayor have been working
03:56:21.49	Mayor Kellman	and different efforts related to that. And so I'd love to
03:56:24.82	Mayor Kellman	just kind of nail that down and be able to not have Sussleet to be a charging desert anymore.
03:56:30.62	Mayor Kellman	And the vice mayor and I looked at something that was a charging station on a electrical pole that looked pretty interesting this week.
03:56:40.04	Mayor Kellman	Okay, any other agenda items?
03:56:44.65	Mayor Kellman	Okay, any other reports of significance?
03:56:47.80	Mayor Kellman	Define that as you may.
03:56:49.17	Mayor Kellman	Okay, great. Well then, may I make this suggestion that we adjourn? And I'll see you on May 24th.
03:56:54.75	Mayor Kellman	THANKS, EVERYBODY.
03:56:55.87	Mayor Kellman	Good night.

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