City Council Mar 18, 2025

Mar 18

City Council Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:00:03	None: None	The meeting is starting, but the Mayor notes that they are waiting for the count to reach 529 before beginning.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:00:23	I: CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL - 5:30 PM	Mayor Cox called the meeting to order at 5:30 PM, acknowledging the continuation of the adjourned meeting from March 4, 2025, and the special and regular meetings of March 18, 2025. The City Clerk confirmed the meeting was being held at City Council Chambers and via Zoom, as well as at Opus Hotel, Vancouver. The City Clerk then took roll call, confirming the presence of Councilmembers Blaustein, Hoffman, Sobieski, Vice Mayor Woodside, and Mayor Cox.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:01:26	II: INTERVIEWS FOR THE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION	The council conducted interviews for candidates for the Parks & Recreation Commission, Sustainability Commission, and Historic Preservation Commission. Stephanie Carullo introduced herself as a resident of Sausalito for a decade and a retired tech industry professional. She expressed her passion for the city and offered her skills to any of the available commissions, highlighting her experience with community engagement and a desire to contribute to the city's prosperity (00:02:44). Vice Mayor Pace Mayer asked how Stephanie's experience in Australia could benefit Sausalito, and Stephanie drew parallels between Sausalito and a seaside town in Australia, suggesting potential ideas to share and implement in Sausalito (00:03:55). Beth Swerke, a 10-year resident, expressed interest in the Parks and Rec Commission (00:05:34). She shared a story of how attending a Bocce event made her fall in love with Sausalito. She emphasized the importance of community and offered her marketing and event planning skills to enhance the town's events (00:06:24). Sammy Schubert, interviewed via Zoom, discussed her background in environmental science and her interest in the Sustainability Commission. She highlighted her research in small island state research, biomimicry, and blue and green infrastructure. She also stated her active involvement in the community and her ideas for the San Francisco Bay Area (00:08:07). Councilmember Melissa asked how biomimicry could apply to issues like sea level rise in Sausalito, and Sammy suggested utilizing innovative energy solutions and oyster-based water systems (00:09:23). Wayne Bonnet, a former city council member and publisher, was interviewed for the Historic Preservation Commission. He expressed his interest in the use of new materials for restoring and maintaining original building facades (00:11:24). Mayor Cox asked about the policy of scrutinizing homes 50 years or older for historic value, and Wayne saw nothing wrong with that policy (00:12:29). Pace Mayer inquired about new materials for siding on wooden structures, particularly concerning fire safety, and Wayne mentioned his experience with a terracotta company that made fire-resistant materials resembling various structures (00:13:37). Mayor Cox asked how the Zone Zero ordinance, requiring five feet of defensible space around homes, would affect historic projects, and Wayne acknowledged the difficulty due to existing lot designs (00:14:58). Allison Eames missed her slot.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:16:42	III: CLOSED SESSION - 5:45 PM	Mayor Cox announced the end of the interviews and the start of the closed session. The closed session was scheduled to discuss anticipated litigation (two cases) and labor negotiations with the Sausalito Police Association, with Kathy Nikitas and Charles Sakai as agency representatives. The regular meeting was scheduled to start at 7 p.m., with a hearing possibly closer to 8 p.m. (00:17:03). The council then adjourned to the closed session (00:17:47), and reconvened at 7:03 p.m. (00:17:56).	No Motion	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:17:46 City Clerk was Neutral: The City Clerk stated that there were no public comments on the closed session items.
00:18:14	IV: RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION - 7:00 PM	Mayor Cox reconvened the meeting to open session at 7:00 PM (00:18:22). The session began with the Pledge of Allegiance, led by John Flavon (00:18:22).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:18:56	1: MAYOR'S ANNOUNCEMENTS - 7:02 PM	Mayor Cox calls the meeting to order and initiates a roll call to establish a quorum. Following the roll call, Mayor Cox requests a motion to approve the agenda (00:19:22). The motion is made and seconded, and the City Clerk conducts a roll call vote to approve the agenda. After the agenda is approved, the Mayor states she has no announcements (00:19:52).	Motion to approve the agenda. (00:19:22)	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:19:56	2: COMMUNICATIONS - 7:05 PM	This agenda item allows the City Council to hear from citizens on matters within their jurisdiction that are not on the agenda. Each speaker is limited to two minutes due to a full agenda. The first speaker, David, presented a petition with over 500 signatures seeking the recommissioning of the Spencer Avenue Firehouse (00:20:38). He expressed concerns about fire risk due to updated CAL FIRE maps and potential evacuation challenges (00:20:44). He criticized the current emergency evacuation plan and the instruction to go to the water, citing recent tragedies (00:21:57). The mayor acknowledged the updated Cal Fire maps and stated the city is re-examining its fire protection plan (00:22:36). The second speaker, Jan Johnson, questioned the data provided by Parametrics regarding the removal of the bridgeway emergency median (00:23:25). She asked for a direct link to the data source for public review (00:23:47). The mayor requested the Public Works Director to ask Parametrics to provide a direct link to their data (00:24:28). Kevin McGowan, the Public Works Director, said he would convey the concern to Parametrics and provide the information to the public (00:25:00). The third speaker, Hank Baker, presented recommendations from the parking committee, including establishing a parking authority, replacing outdated parking equipment, resolving issues with handicapped parking at the Sausalito Yacht Harbor, increasing parking capacity in the Caledonia business district, and modifying parking rates and hours in the downtown area (00:25:27). He estimated the annual loss of parking revenue due to inoperable equipment is $300,000 to $600,000 (00:26:03). The mayor noted there will be an upcoming agenda item specifically on parking (00:27:26). The fourth speaker, Babette McDougall, spoke about concerns in the community over a last-minute meeting and the number of agenda items that are incorrectly noticed. She questioned why Sausalito is having so many issues given the mayor's legal expertise (00:28:13). The mayor responded that the item considered last Friday is on the agenda for ratification, ensuring transparency (00:29:57).	No Motion	4 Total: 1 In Favor 2 Against 1 Neutral
00:20:30 David was In Favor: Presented a petition seeking the recommissioning of the Spencer Avenue Firehouse, citing fire risk and evacuation concerns. 00:23:25 Jan Johnson was Against: Expressed concerns about the removal of the bridgeway emergency median and questioned the accuracy of Parametrics' data. 00:25:21 Hank Baker was Neutral: Presented parking committee recommendations, including establishing a parking authority, replacing outdated equipment, and increasing parking capacity. 00:27:54 Babette McDougall was Against: Expressed community concerns about a last-minute meeting and the number of incorrectly noticed agenda items, questioning the mayor's leadership given her legal background.
00:31:46	4: PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS - 7:35 PM	Mayor Cox requested a revision to the resolution for item 3g regarding the metering vehicle to clarify that the city is seeking additional design services, not additional design-build services (00:31:46). Councilmember Melissa gave special recognition to item 3h, acknowledging correspondence from the Sustainability Commission regarding the Police Department's acquisition of an electric vehicle and progress toward a fully electric fleet (00:32:13). Vice Mayor Pace Mayer commented on National Women's History Month, noting the resolution should have been adopted at the previous meeting and acknowledging the many women who have made history in Sausalito, including Mayor Cox (00:32:38). The Mayor opened the floor for public comment on the consent calendar (00:33:05).	Motion to approve the consent calendar (00:33:24). Seconded (00:33:28). The motion passed with a roll call vote: Councilmember Blaustein - Yes, Councilmember Hoffman - Yes, Councilmember Sobieski - Yes, Vice Mayor Woodside - Yes, and Mayor Cox - Yes (00:33:32).	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:33:11 Lauren Wiley was Neutral: A speaker card was received from Lauren Wiley but it was later withdrawn.
00:33:43	3: CONSENT CALENDAR - 7:25 PM	Mayor Cox announced that the motion carried unanimously and the council will move to public hearing items.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:33:57	4.A: Appeal of Planning Commission Resolution No. 2024-24 approving a joint hotel and restaurant use at 715 Bridgeway (APN: 065-071-25)	Senior Planner Matthew Mandich presented an appeal of the Planning Commission's approval of a joint hotel and restaurant use at 715 Bridgeway. The building, originally built in 1924 for the Bank of Sausalito, is located in the central commercial district and is a contributor to the Sausalito Downtown Historic District. The project proposes a ground floor restaurant and bar, with a max capacity of 105 guests, and three hotel rooms on a newly constructed second floor. The rear facade will be removed to create a patio, fire pit, and hot tub area for guests. Several planning permits are required, including design review, conditional use permits, and a certificate of appropriateness. The staff recommends denying the appeal and upholding the Planning Commission's decision, addressing each point of the appeal, stating that the CUP for the hotel use was not issued in error because the California Building Code considers a hotel for transient use as a residential R1 use, and the location doesn't exceed the FAR because the inner courts are excluded from FAR calculations. Mayor Cox asked if councilmembers had any ex parte communications about the item. The councilmembers said no. (00:36:16) Pace Mayer and Elizabeth Reckes were promoted to panelist to give a presentation regarding the item. (00:53:02) After some discussion, 10 minutes were allocated for the appellant presentation, and 10 minutes for the respondent. (00:54:13) Elizabeth Brekus gave the appellant presentation, in which she noted that staff said there would be on-site management, which had never been part of the project. (00:56:30) It was argued that the general plan requires there to be residential uses on the upper floors of the building, and that intensifiying the uses wasn't consistent with the general plan. The discussion was focused on whether the hotel being residential was a state or local issue. A concern was raised that the location didn't have adequate management or parking. It was argued that there was no CUP application and no notice given for parking and therefore the item was inadequate, and needed to be sent back down. It was further argued that the FAR has been incorrectly calculated because the definition says that covered patios need to be counted. (01:00:52) The appellant was concerned about the hardship of the rear space that is currently dead space, to the new party space with the hot tub. After the appellant presentation, the respondent was called to provide their presentation. (01:06:56) A respondent speaker noted that they had been approached by the appellant to remove the deck, but that all the attention is not about the FAR, but that the appeal was just a bunch of things where mud has been slung against the wall and seeing what sticks. (01:08:26) It was further noted that the deck area was lower than the current retaining wall. Len Rivkind addressed the legal issues, stating that the municipal code had adopted by reference the state code that the planner had referenced, and that a finding could be made, despite the risk of litigation threatened by Elizabeth. (01:14:01) It was requested that the Planning Commission make the proper finding that you can exempt, uh, parking if you have a historic building that you're preserving. (01:14:53) Len Rivkind suggested remanding the parking item to the PC, directing staff to draft a zoning amendment, providing direction to the council to approve a variance for the viewing deck because there's absolutely no evidence to support why it's a material significant impact. Public comments were then taken with each person being allotted 2 minutes. (01:18:18) After public comments, limited rebuttal time was granted, and then after further discussion, the public hearing was closed. (02:02:00)	Remand the matter to the Planning Commission and give the applicant an opportunity to make application for the CEP as referenced by the appellant during their presentation and direct staff that any noticing for this project, uh, be, uh, that staff use their best faith efforts to transmit notice to owners and, uh, tenants within 300 feet. Add a condition of approval that there be 24-7 on-site management, as staff has announced was the applicant's intention. (02:03:23)	19 Total: 14 In Favor 3 Against 2 Neutral
01:19:03 Wright Bass was Against: Wright Bass lives across the street from the cons and used to live in the empty lot above the bank, stating it is a very quiet street. He never received a notice about the item, but he doesn't care about the rest of the project, other than to say the observation deck is going to encroach on our neighborhood. Noted the parking has been reduced due to the new plaza by the ferry landing. Also states that others will be speaking in favor of the plan, but none of them live on our street. 01:20:27 Joel Carr was In Favor: Joel Carr is a homeowner, who thinks the appeal is beyond belief, and is a great way to save a historic building that has sat vacant for many years, stating this resulted in lost tax revenue. Sausalito is a premier tourist destination, and we must support high-end businesses. States a successful community requires compromises by all the members of the community, and a successful community requires a compromise by members of the community. Thinks this is a way to fix the lack of progress and revitalize the town, and that the council should deny this appeal and move ahead to make our city a vibrant place. 01:22:18 Elina Franklin was In Favor: Elina Franklin is a three-year resident and a recent homeowner in Sausalito, definitely wanting to see improvements in the downtown core. Thinks that having a hotel with tourists is great, the project is great and will improve historic building, and enhance economic activity of our city and provide the funds to fix up some of the infrastructure. States a municipal code that doesn't allow a single neighbor to derail a whole project that benefits the whole community is not a very collaborative or community-like. 01:23:33 Jody Moore was In Favor: Jody Moore states there is a desirable and innovative repurpose of an historic building that has been unanimously approved by the Planning Commission and HPC. States that it will add a street-level restaurant and bar like other restaurants and bars in the downtown, acknowledging that yes, it may have some parking challenges. It will increase tax revenue. Urged the council to deny this appeal and if necessary, fight any action filed in court to protect the project. 01:24:52 Renee Lind was In Favor: Renee Lind has been a resident for 15 years, welcomes anything that's going to add vibrancy to downtown, stating how that one person should not be able to stop that because of the benefits of improving vitality in the city. Recommends the city council deny the appeal. 01:26:12 John Diamante was Against: John Diamante states that the project is a really difficult one with numerous challenges, noting that 2 dozen inhabitants from the Del Monte apartments were not notified by postcard or letter. Thinks that the appellant is the only one being heard. States that there are no views from the project, there is no motor access to the property. Believes this project introduces a substantial change in to the neighborhood and suggests to continue the hearing to receive additional information about it. 01:28:05 Hank Baker was In Favor: Hank Baker, a resident, business owner, and member of Sausalito's economic advisory committee and interim member of the downtown PBID, states that this is by far one of the most outstanding uses of a building he has possibly seen. States that it's never going to get anything better. States that the denial of this particular project will cause irreparable harm to the economy of Sausalito. 01:29:23 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Babette McDougall loves the project and the neighbors and recognizes each neighborhood is its own acoustical bulb. Suggests that as this change is causing a paradigm shift, everyone needs to find a way to meet in the middle. They have to remember that there are people living in homes right above, and they are not getting notified of the proceedings. States she has a perfect ear shot of the cruising club, and I love that music. 01:31:13 SPEAKER_46 was In Favor: Speaker is a member of the interim board of the Business Improvement District and supports this imaginative reuse of an historic building because it is a boon to economic development for the downtown and revitalization. The owner has gone over backwards to try to accommodate the concerns of the appellant and has several suggestions. 01:31:57 Adrian Brinton was In Favor: Adrian Briton comments on the parking and noise and indicates that the city can generate more revenue from the parking lots. There's lots of times that there are many open spots available, especially in the evenings which having a restaurant can improve. Says one of the worst things that could happen is not hearing the noise of the community. 01:38:35 Sharna Brockett was In Favor: Sharna Brockett is a resident who urges the city council to deny this appeal, saying that it is rare to have a historic building with people working diligently on the restoration of this project. Questions the veracity of the appellant and her concern for the community. 01:40:48 Ed Moreci was In Favor: Ed Moreci has known the developer, Kent Ibsen, for 52 years, believing that this appeal isn't about the project, it's about the man behind the project. Kent has always, at a young age and at a little bit older age, has been a visionary. He sees this project not next year, not next week, sees it 30, 40 years down the road. 01:42:28 Carlito Berg was In Favor: Carlito Berg believes that Kent Ibsen, the developer, has taken on a big feat of creativity to put in a hotel on a high average daily rate basis with the goal of seeing if its easy to do business in Sausalito or not. He tells a story about the time he was trying to get a project done, and a local broker warned the French Japanese company that Carlito brought, not to do it as the city was known to decline projects. 01:44:30 Tracy Clifford was In Favor: Tracy Clifford thanks the developer for being bold enough to try and make the project happen and says what is happening to our town where we are just struggling to bring in business and says if they are successful, its the community will be a destination again. 01:46:53 Paul Mowry was Against: Paul Mowry is the pastor of the Sausalito Presbyterian Church and is excited about the restaurant. Does not believe the negative characterizations against the applicant are well representing the area and that everyone's in favor of the project. 01:49:05 Joris Von Menz was In Favor: Joris Von Menz, a resident for many years, says this looks like a really great project and is very excited that it's coming to our town. Wishes that such improvements can happen more speedily in the future. The overall view is positive. 01:49:43 Beth Swerke was In Favor: Beth Swerke says she does not want in my backyard are no storefronts and no businesses and no life and no vitality in our town. Tells a story of how a family friend asked about a new place they were to check out in Carmel, and she told them about "the pocket", as a beautiful place to visit, which sounds very similar to the project being proposed in Sausalito. 01:51:19 Bonnie McGregor was In Favor: Bonnie McGregor has been a resident for 40 years, and has been involved with various things around Sausalito for the whole time. Has seen projects come and go because how difficult it is to do it here with what she calls a "no-no gang" of objectors. Then she spent 15 years in the hospitality business and said that her old business, a pub, would be way more noisy than any potential project at this location. Says they are stretching to find something to oppose it. 01:53:00 Ms. Krasanth was Neutral: Ms. Krasanth was in the hospitality industry for years and would like to remind the people who are so concerned about the noise in this project that Sausalito has not always been this fusty and fussy.
02:20:50	4.C: Introduction and Waiver of First Reading of Ordinance No. 04-2025 An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Municipal Code Re-Adopting Chapter 2.60 Military Equipment Use Policy	Mayor Cox introduced the item regarding the re-adoption of Chapter 2.60, the Military Equipment Use Policy and welcomed Police Chief Stacie Gregory (02:21:11). The City Manager inquired about public comment for item 4B, which was moved to the next meeting. (02:21:18)	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

02:21:26	4.B: Introduction by Title Only and Waiver of First Reading of Ordinance No. 03-2025, An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Amending Chapter 10.44.240 “Formula Retail”, Table 10.24-1 “Land Uses in Commercial Districts”, and Chap	This agenda item concerns an ordinance amending regulations related to formula retail in Sausalito's commercial districts. Due to the meeting running late, the council decided to postpone hearing the item until April 1st, but still allowed public comment. Concerns were raised about the potential negative impacts of formula retail on local businesses and residential neighborhoods, particularly regarding traffic, noise, and the character of the community. Specific requests were made to maintain the existing CN1 zoning for Spring and Easterby streets and to retain the planning commission's role in the permit process for formula retail.	No Motion	3 Total: 0 In Favor 2 Against 1 Neutral
02:22:24 Eva Krasanth was Neutral: Ms. Krasanth sought clarification on the agenda, noting that item 4B had been removed but wanting to confirm that public comment would still be taken on item 4C. 02:23:21 Lorette Rogers was Against: Lorette Rogers, a long-time Sausalito resident, expressed alarm at the proposal to combine the CN1 area of Spring Valley with other CN areas. She requested that residents have a say in what formula retail goes near their homes, citing concerns about delivery truck noise and proximity to residences. She urged the council not to combine the three commercial neighborhood areas, to retain the existing CN1 zoning for Spring and Easterby streets, and not to eliminate the planning commission process from the formula retail permit process. She emphasized the importance of ensuring that formula retail aligns with the character of the neighborhood and avoids negative impacts like congestion, traffic, noise, and garbage. 02:26:21 Babette McDougall was Against: Babette McDougall reiterated her previous concerns about the fairness between locally sourced businesses and formula retail, urging a cautious approach to avoid prioritizing revenue over community character. She cautioned against the idea that "any old idea is a great idea" and emphasized the need to balance the old with the new and the big with the small. McDougall raised concerns about the potential negative impact of formula retail on local businesses, referencing the example of Costco's impact on local stores in Novato and urging consideration for the balance between local and chain businesses.
02:27:41	4.C: Introduction and Waiver of First Reading of Ordinance No. 04-2025 An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Municipal Code Re-Adopting Chapter 2.60 Military Equipment Use Policy	Sergeant Nick White presented the 2024 Annual Military Equipment Use Report on behalf of the police department. The report included a summary of currently owned military equipment: one Colt AR-15 SRD 556 rifle with suppressor (primarily for regional SWAT team use, currently in storage) and six Remington 870 less lethal shotguns with 240 bean bag rounds, deployed in patrol cars for critical incidents. None of the equipment was used in the line of duty in 2024, but 60 beanbag rounds were used for training in May and August at a cost of $375. No complaints or concerns were addressed to the Sausalito PD regarding the equipment use policy, and an internal audit found no violations. The department is requesting the acquisition of three Defense Technology 40-millimeter LMT tactical shot launchers with associated equipment and training, costing approximately $7,748 to replace the 870 Remington beanbag shotguns. The department also requests a replenishment of 60 beanbag rounds at a cost of $375. Mayor Cox asked about the non-lethal nature of the beanbag replacements. Councilmember Mayer inquired about how the equipment and policies compared to other jurisdictions. Sergeant White responded that some Marin County jurisdictions like St. Rafael, Central Marin Police Authority, and Novato PD use the 40-millimeter launchers to augment or replace beanbag shotguns. (02:31:46) Mayor Cox moved to introduce and waive the first reading of Ordinance No. 04-2025. (02:36:00)	Mayor Cox moved to introduce by title only and waive first reading of Ordinance No. 04-2025, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito, re-adopting Sausalito Municipal Code Chapter 2.60, Military Equipment Use Policy. Seconded. (02:36:00)	1 Total: 0 In Favor 1 Against 0 Neutral
02:33:14 Ms. Krasanth was Against: Ms. Krasanth claimed that the presenter, Nick White, has a "checkered history," referencing a court case and his involvement in her removal from a candidate forum. She then said the police complaint forms are dysfunctional, claiming the city attorney sent her an outdated form. She stated that Sergeant White was involved in an illegal and violent removal of her from the candidate forum when she raised the issue of war costs.
02:36:39	4.D: Ratify Adoption of Resolution to Form Utility Undergrounding District Taken By City Council on March 7, 2025 (Continued from March 4, 2025)	Mayor Cox introduced the item, explaining that the council had previously continued it from March 4, 2025, and then properly noticed a special meeting for March 18, 2025, during which they held a public hearing and adopted a resolution to establish an underground utility district on Bridgeway Boulevard between Napa Street and Easterby Avenue (02:37:07). The purpose of this item is to ratify that resolution. There were no comments from staff. (02:37:38) The Mayor closed the public hearing and made a motion to ratify the resolution to establish the underground utility district.	Motion to ratify the adoption of a resolution to establish an underground utility district on Bridgeway Boulevard between Napa Street and Easterby Avenue, as shown on Exhibit A (02:37:44). Seconded by Pace Mayer (02:38:00). The motion passed unanimously.	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

02:38:16	5.A: Discussion and provide Direction Regarding Infrastructure Priorities related to the Bureau Veritas Technical Assessments, LLC for the City of Sausalito Facility Assessment Study	The City Council discussed infrastructure priorities based on the Bureau Veritas facility assessment study. Kevin McGowan and Ali Iqbal introduced Mary Venable from Bureau Veritas, who presented the findings of the assessment. The presentation covered Bureau Veritas' background, the assessment process, and key findings regarding the condition and maintenance costs of city facilities. The assessment included buildings, the Excelsior stairs, and several piers. AssetCalc, a database and app used for the assessment, was highlighted. The facility condition index (FCI) was explained as a numeric way to assess building conditions. The presentation included summaries of 20-year expected costs, facility condition indices, and priority scores for various facilities. Fire Station 2 and the MLK campus were identified as being in poor condition. Kevin McGowan provided additional context, noting the $53 million estimated cost over 20 years does not include design, construction management or contingency. He also mentioned the need to address smaller maintenance projects, and review leases to determine responsibility for repairs. He asked for council direction on prioritizing larger projects for the Capital Improvement Program (CIP). Mayor Cox raised questions about discrepancies in cost estimates in the staff report, the city's ownership of the Sausalito Yacht Club building, and the replacement costs for the Bridgeway Public Lick restroom. The council discussed responsibility of the costs and the $100,000 annual payment from Southern Marin Fire District. The Mayor also discussed the $3.86M to be spent over the next two years, including the 2526 and 2627 attachments to the staff report. Councilmember Melissa and Pace Mayer also raised questions about the report. The City Manager gave an overview of all the things to consider as this moves forward. (03:21:08) Director McGowan asked if he is on the right track.	No Motion	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
03:28:43 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Appreciated the council for having the wisdom to collect the data in this report. Reminded council of their obligation and that this brings the question of transparency to the forefront. Expressed the need to reinvest in the Sausalito portfolio.
03:32:16	6A: City Manager Information for Council	Mayor Cox introduces the agenda item 6A, City Manager Information for Council. The City Manager presents a quarterly report detailing 65 ongoing city initiatives. (03:32:38) The City Manager also announces the termination of Chad Hess as city finance director. (03:33:39) The City Manager states that the City has notified relevant partners and stakeholders and that they will work to transition and build a budget with the remaining finance staff.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:34:24	6B: City Attorney Information for Council	Mayor Cox asks the City Attorney if there is anything to report to the council this evening. (03:34:24)	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:34:29	6C: Councilmember Committee Reports	This agenda item is for councilmembers to report on their committee activities. Councilmember Melissa attended the Transportation Authority of Marin meeting and reported on funding projects, updates on the White House executive order and its potential impact on grant applications, vehicle miles traveled reports, and the countywide e-bike task force, noting that Marin County will be among the first in the state to comply with new e-bike requirements (03:34:44). Mayor Cox discussed attending an insurance committee meeting with the Vice Mayor and City Manager, highlighting positive feedback on risk management but noting an expected premium increase due to a new member fee and the overall risk profile in California (03:36:33). She also mentioned her appointment as an alternate to the BCDC Commission and attending a Chamber of Commerce forum on the Bridgeway median project (03:38:03). Councilmember Mayer added to the discussion about risk management and insurance costs, emphasizing the increasing risk profile across California (03:39:49). Additionally, the Mayor and Councilmember Blaustein attended the elected women's luncheon with the Marine Women's Political Action Committee, featuring Carolyn Coleman as the keynote speaker (03:40:49).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:41:24	6D: Appointments	Mayor Cox opened the floor for appointments to the Disaster Preparedness Committee, Sustainability Commission, Parks and Recreation Commission, and Historic Preservation Commission. Councilmember Hoffman suggested opening up nominations for positions with multiple vacancies. (03:41:57) Mayor Cox nominated Eric Little for the Disaster Preparedness Committee. (03:43:40) Mayor Cox nominated Wayne Benet for the Historic Preservation Commission. (03:44:12) Mayor Cox nominated Stephanie Carullo and Beth's work for the Parks and Recreation Commission. (03:44:38) For the Sustainability Commission, there were two applicants for the 94965 liaison position, Wilford Welch and Alexander Schauer. Mayor Cox nominated Alexander Schauer, while Councilmember Hoffman nominated Wilford Welch. (03:45:42) Council did not second Councilmember Hoffman's nomination, so they voted on Mayor Cox's Nomination. For the alternate position, there were four nominees, and Mayor Cox nominated Samantha Schubert and Councilmember Hoffman nominated Ilyana Frenkov (03:46:30), explaining that she is the head of sustainability for a large transport organization. (03:46:51) Mayor Cox did not second Councilmember Hoffman's nomination. (03:47:14)	Motion to appoint Eric Little to the Disaster Preparedness Committee was passed (03:43:57) Motion to appoint Wayne Benet to the Historic Preservation Commission was passed (03:44:26) Motion to appoint Stephanie Carullo and Beth's work to the Parks and Recreation Commission was passed (03:45:01) Motion to appoint Alexander Schauer as the 94965 liaison for the Sustainability Commission was passed (03:46:02) Motion to appoint Samantha Schubert as alternate for the Sustainability Commission was passed (03:47:41)	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
03:43:06 Damien was Neutral: Damien asked if he could comment on the reports discussed earlier. Mayor Cox clarified that public comment on those items would be taken after the current item and one more.
03:47:45	6E: Future Agenda Items	Mayor Cox opened the floor for future agenda items. Councilmember Melissa requested an AB 1774 ordinance be added. Councilmember Pace Mayer suggested revisiting the CUP (Conditional Use Permit) process and notice procedures, stemming from public input regarding land use appeals, to streamline processes without reducing public input. (03:48:08) A representative from Sister Cities requested to give an update, which Mayor Cox suggested to schedule as a special presentation.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:49:28	6F: Other reports of significance	Mayor Cox opened the floor for other reports of significance. Councilmember Mayer suggested reviewing the long list of future items collectively with the entire council. The Mayor acknowledged that he and Councilmember Mayer were supposed to do it the previous Sunday, but Mayer suggested presenting it to the entire council for review.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

03:50:05	6G: Public Comment on Items 6A-6C and 6E-6F: limited to 3 minutes/person	Mayor Cox opens the floor for public comment on items 6A through 6C and 6E through 6F, with a two-minute limit per person. Babette McDougall speaks about city reports, particularly those from the city manager and attorney, and advocates for transparency in legal fee disclosures, suggesting that detailing who is paid, how much, and for what purpose would reduce perceptions of conflicts of interest. Damien invites residents to a Marin City Climate Resilience workshop focusing on emergency infrastructure and sustainable stormwater management, mentioning potential freeway changes and bike path rerouting.	No Motion	2 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 2 Neutral
03:50:23 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Babette McDougall commented on the reports from the city manager and city attorney, advocating for transparency in legal fee disclosures to address potential conflicts of interest. 03:52:25 Damien was Neutral: Damien invited residents to a Marin City Climate Resilience workshop focusing on emergency infrastructure and sustainable stormwater management, mentioning potential freeway changes and bike path rerouting. He noted that Caltrans is considering raising the freeway by 10 feet and rerouting the bike path into Marin City, and that a barrier wall may be constructed on the Marin City side of Highway 101 South.
03:54:39	7: ADJOURNMENT	Mayor Cox announced the adjournment of the meeting, initially stating the next meeting would be April 1st. (03:54:40) The City Manager corrected the Mayor, noting a special meeting scheduled for March 29th. (03:54:49) Mayor Cox clarified that while the next regular meeting is April 1st, there's a special meeting on March 29th at 1 p.m. (03:54:51) An overflow room will be available for the special meeting to accommodate public participation. (03:55:04)	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

City Council Meeting Transcript

Adrian Brinton

City Council Mar 29, 2025

Time	Speaker	Text
00:00:03.81	Mayor Cox	Can you hear us?
00:00:05.45	Mayor Cox	Yes, I can, Mayor.
00:00:05.50	Unknown	You guys like that?
00:00:06.75	Mayor Cox	Okay, great.
00:00:08.18	Mayor Cox	All right.
00:00:11.68	Mayor Cox	I'm still showing 529, so we'll wait just a moment.
00:00:14.07	Mary Venable	Thank you.
00:00:23.02	Mayor Cox	Okay, I'm showing 530. City clerk.
00:00:25.63	City Clerk	Good afternoon, Mayor and City Council. Tonight's meeting is being held at City Council Chambers, 420 Little Street and via Zoom and on the city's website. It's also being held in Opus Hotel, Vancouver, 322 Davies Street, Vancouver, British Columbia, V6B1R2.
00:00:46.94	Mayor Cox	Thank you city clerk good evening and welcome everybody to the continuation of the adjourned meeting of Tuesday march for 2025 as well as the special and regular meeting of Tuesday march 18 2025 I will call the meeting to order and ask the city clerk to take role.
00:01:04.66	City Clerk	Councilmember Blaustein.
00:01:05.98	Mayor Cox	Here.
00:01:07.16	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman.
00:01:08.49	Mayor Cox	Here.
00:01:10.35	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski. Here.
00:01:12.97	City Clerk	Thank you.
00:01:13.28	City Clerk	Vice Mayor Woodside. Here. And Mayor Cox.
00:01:16.61	Mayor Cox	Here. Okay, so first thing on our agenda this evening is interviews for several of our commissions. City Clerk, who is first? Is it?
00:01:26.13	City Clerk	We have Stephanie Carullo.
00:01:28.22	Mayor Cox	Carullo. Carullo.
00:01:33.91	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:01:34.72	Mayor Cox	Well, you know, I'm sorry. We can't, you can't be heard unless you're at the...
00:01:34.75	Stephanie Carullo	Please step to the point.
00:01:40.69	Stephanie Carullo	Just one-legged at the moment. Hi, everyone.
00:01:45.79	Mayor Cox	Hello. Well, the good thing for you is these are short. And so we have your application together with your CV. And so this, if you would like to just tell us a few words about why you are interested in the commission, and then we will ask you any questions.
00:02:07.57	Unknown	Are you in pain? I'm sure we can figure out.
00:02:09.01	Stephanie Carullo	No, no, no.
00:02:10.27	Stephanie Carullo	No, I'm perfectly fine. I'm supposed to be mobile. I had knee surgery five weeks ago, but I am walking slowly, so I'm good. Thank you so much. I'm pretty sure we're going to do that.
00:02:17.31	Unknown	I'm pretty sure.
00:02:17.97	Stephanie Carullo	a comedy yeah no no no I'm perfect thanks I appreciate that
00:02:18.39	Mayor Cox	Yeah.
00:02:18.47	Unknown	Yeah.
00:02:18.56	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:02:20.62	Mayor Cox	I appreciate that. She's hale and hearty ready for the park in Red Cunison.
00:02:25.29	Mayor Cox	All right. So we're going to have about three minutes. So if you
00:02:29.04	Stephanie Carullo	Pretty quickly? Yeah. All right. Thank you for having me this evening, Stephanie Carullo, resident of Sourcelet. I've lived here now for a decade, coming up on July, my husband and I. Very active member of the community. We participate in lots of things and, quite frankly,
00:02:44.88	Stephanie Carullo	I have more time on my hands. I retired from working in the tech industry for the last 35 years. Last year, my last role was Chief Operating Officer for a large...
00:02:53.29	Stephanie Carullo	Software firms have spent a lot of time sort of
00:02:55.65	Stephanie Carullo	in and out of initiatives and programs and turning things around and building things.
00:03:00.95	Stephanie Carullo	And so I am very passionate about the city of Sorcerito. And quite frankly, I have a set of skills that I think may be of value or of use, and I'd love to participate in.
00:03:11.02	Stephanie Carullo	on one of the numerous commissions that are available. I don't have any preference. I do wanna see a prosperous city. And so I spent a lot of time prior to the knee injury, I'm a runner, so I run the city
00:03:23.19	Stephanie Carullo	every morning about six or seven miles and spend a lot of time sort of
00:03:27.27	Stephanie Carullo	meeting people, having coffees at all the different places. And I just think we have this unique opportunity to bring it to life even further. So from either a development perspective or even the recent housing petition that I was a part of as well, I just want to be able to provide some sort of, you know, skills if I can to any of the commissions that are available right now. So that's really about it.
00:03:50.49	Mayor Cox	Wonderful. Thank you. Any questions of Stephanie?
00:03:54.22	Mayor Cox	Yes, vice mayor.
00:03:55.18	Pace Mayer	Just a quick question. Given your experience down under, we have lots of people who live here who come from all over the world. How would your experience, you think, lend itself to helping us with progress?
00:03:59.20	Mayor Cox	Mm-hmm.
00:03:59.54	Unknown	Thank you.
00:03:59.62	Unknown	Thank you.
00:04:08.03	Stephanie Carullo	It's a great question. So we are fortunate enough to have a home here and a home in Australia. And the little town that we have our home in in Australia is this beautiful seaside town called Middle Park. And we lived there for many, many years and we still have our home there. And it is...
00:04:24.28	Stephanie Carullo	It's like this jewel in the crown in terms of what we've been able to do with the little village down there. And it is a village. It's called the Middle Park Village for a reason. People come from everywhere. And we spend a lot of time thinking about what we wanted in our village to make it good for the residents, for those of us who live there, but also a community that is part of a broader community in the City of Melbourne.
00:04:46.96	Stephanie Carullo	and it has gone from strength to strength over the last 20 years and so there are some parallels
00:04:52.22	Stephanie Carullo	between the two cities because we're by the water. There are a lot of visitors that come in. There's a really thriving group of residents that live in the community. And so I have some ideas. I don't want to throw too many out here, but I've been thinking about how can we potentially even share some of those ideas and try them here in Sorceleta.
00:05:11.86	Pace Mayer	Thank you.
00:05:12.69	Stephanie Carullo	Wonderful.
00:05:12.73	Pace Mayer	Wonderful.
00:05:12.96	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:05:13.00	Pace Mayer	of the people.
00:05:13.03	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:05:13.18	Pace Mayer	Thank you.
00:05:13.21	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:05:15.02	Stephanie Carullo	Thank you.
00:05:15.04	Mayor Cox	Okay, well, thank you so much for coming in. Crutch and all, we wish you...
00:05:16.67	Hank Baker	coming in, Crutch and All. We wish you a speedy recovery.
00:05:23.17	City Clerk	Sorry, next person we have is Beth Swerke.
00:05:26.04	Hank Baker	Okay.
00:05:26.38	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:05:29.41	Mayor Cox	Hi and welcome. Hi.
00:05:32.01	Beth Swerke	Thank you.
00:05:32.05	Beth Swerke	So,
00:05:34.19	Beth Swerke	Thank you for having me. My name is Beth Swerke. I've been a resident for 10 years of Sol Solito, and I'm here interested in the Parks and Rec Commission.
00:05:43.59	Beth Swerke	It was about 12 years ago that I came to visit my friend in Sausalito from Chicago, and we went to Bocce.
00:05:52.19	Beth Swerke	I...
00:05:53.02	Beth Swerke	one night and I was sold just seeing how special the park is and the community at something like Bocce everybody brought all of their like snacks to share and their drinks and it was people who were 20 and people who were 80 and it was just this beautiful place of community that I had never experienced and it was literally the beginning of my move out here um
00:06:15.94	Beth Swerke	From there, I came back and went to jazz and it was the same thing. What a special, beautiful thing we have here.
00:06:21.56	Beth Swerke	It's why I moved.
00:06:24.00	Beth Swerke	This town is a gem. The community is so special. And I've seen so much more since moving here. I mean, the 4th of July, Pickleball, Jazz, Chili, the Toast of Sausalito, the Easter egg hunt. We do such important and amazing things. And if there's ever a time that the community is more important, it's right now.
00:06:43.02	Beth Swerke	And so I would love to bring my skills to help level that up even more. I'm an executive in marketing. I specialize in communications and social media.
00:06:54.01	Beth Swerke	I literally plan events for my career. I can do creative big picture thinking and cross T's and dot I's and do logistics and budgets and volunteer sign up and all the things. So I would be very happy to bring my skill set to our beautiful community and make it even more special than it already is.
00:07:12.72	Mayor Cox	That all sounds wonderful. Are there any questions for Beth?
00:07:19.56	Beth Swerke	Thank you.
00:07:20.06	Beth Swerke	All right.
00:07:20.92	Mayor Cox	Thank you very much. All right. Thank you so much for coming in.
00:07:24.89	City Clerk	So next person, we're going to start doing the sustainability commission, and we're going to have Sammy Schubert.
00:07:33.29	Mayor Cox	Is Allison Eames going to interview?
00:07:35.59	City Clerk	you
00:07:35.71	City Clerk	do not see Allison Ames in
00:07:38.39	Mayor Cox	here right now. Okay. All right. So Samantha Schubert for sustainability.
00:07:44.70	Mayor Cox	Is she on Zoom?
00:07:45.51	Sammy Schubert	you
00:07:45.55	City Clerk	She's on zoom and if you can yeah.
00:07:48.60	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:07:49.04	Sammy Schubert	Can everyone see me and hear me?
00:07:51.86	Mayor Cox	Yes, we see you and hear you. We're taking about three minutes per person. If you could take a few moments and describe your background and your interest in the Sustainability Commission.
00:08:03.31	Sammy Schubert	Yeah, so I have been studying environmental science for
00:08:07.77	Sammy Schubert	about 10 years now, my degree is in environmental science with a minor in data analytics. For a long time, I've studied small island state research and how that pertains to climate change and what we can do to mitigate the effects that the small island states are feeling.
00:08:27.55	Sammy Schubert	I also have a really big interest and research
00:08:34.57	Sammy Schubert	capability in biomimicry and blue and green infrastructure. So just like improving systems and building nature-based solutions. I'm super active in town and I volunteer a lot. So I think that I have a lot of ideas that pertain to San Francisco Bay Area in particular, but definitely how to make that a reality in Sausalito. So.
00:09:04.57	Sammy Schubert	And I'm a resident here. I've been a resident here for three years.
00:09:08.71	Mayor Cox	Great. And have you attended any of our sustainability meetings? Yes.
00:09:12.59	Sammy Schubert	Yes.
00:09:13.26	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:09:13.48	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:09:13.70	Sammy Schubert	Okay. There's only been,
00:09:16.11	Sammy Schubert	in two big public forums and I was at both of them.
00:09:20.23	Sammy Schubert	Yeah. Wonderful.
00:09:22.37	Melissa	Melissa.
00:09:22.71	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:09:22.73	Melissa	Thank you.
00:09:22.78	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:09:22.85	Melissa	Thank you.
00:09:23.05	Melissa	Could you speak to, I'm a big fan of biomimicry. Could you speak to how you think that might apply to issues like sea level rise in Sausalito or might be explored in Sausalito?
00:09:33.05	Sammy Schubert	Yeah. So, um,
00:09:35.54	Sammy Schubert	I've done a lot of, I've done a few projects with biomimicry already, but I think in particular to Sausalito, we can take advantage of some of the energy
00:09:48.80	Sammy Schubert	uh,
00:09:50.89	Sammy Schubert	innovative energy things that are happening in South Salido, as well as like some of the oyster based like water are happening. There's a lot of oyster innovation happening right now in the industry. And I think that there's a lot of great opportunities for the Bay Area, but we have so many
00:10:12.98	Sammy Schubert	opportunities in Sausalito being water-based already. So yeah, I think biomimicry could be a really big player for us.
00:10:21.98	Melissa	Thank you.
00:10:24.78	Sammy Schubert	Anything else?
00:10:25.25	Hank Baker	Thanks.
00:10:25.42	Sammy Schubert	Thank you.
00:10:25.45	Hank Baker	you
00:10:26.11	Sammy Schubert	Thank you so much, Samantha. Yeah, nice to meet you. Yeah, nice to meet everyone. Thank you so much for having me.
00:10:27.51	Mayor Cox	Yeah, thank you.
00:10:27.97	Hank Baker	Thank you.
00:10:28.27	Mayor Cox	Thank you, John.
00:10:28.91	Melissa	Thank you.
00:10:34.21	Mayor Cox	Okay, and city clerk, do we see Allison yet?
00:10:36.84	City Clerk	We do not see Allison, but is Wayne Bonnet here?
00:10:40.74	City Clerk	Or
00:10:41.40	Mayor Cox	Wayne Benet. Yes. Would you please come up and let us welcome you?
00:10:46.56	Mayor Cox	So Wayne is applying for the Historic Preservation Commission. He really needs no introduction. He's a former city council member.
00:10:53.48	Wayne Bonnet	Well, we had a good time.
00:10:53.90	Mayor Cox	And publisher, editor and publisher of Moments in Time by Jack Tracy.
00:10:59.08	Wayne Bonnet	Yes.
00:10:59.76	Mayor Cox	So welcome.
00:11:01.28	Mayor Cox	Thank you. And we can't imagine your interest in the Historic Preservation Commission.
00:11:05.35	Wayne Bonnet	Well, as you probably know, I haven't been involved in city politics in a number of years.
00:11:12.13	Wayne Bonnet	I've been so busy with publishing.
00:11:14.56	Wayne Bonnet	And now I'm working on a revision of the book.
00:11:17.92	Wayne Bonnet	And I started reviewing the historic structures and landmarks in Sausalito.
00:11:24.60	Wayne Bonnet	and became interested in the use of new materials that people are using to, uh,
00:11:32.01	Wayne Bonnet	restore and maintain
00:11:34.79	Wayne Bonnet	original facades on buildings. So I got interested and I thought, well, yeah, this is about time I dipped back into Sausalito politics.
00:11:45.91	Wayne Bonnet	As you know, I've lived here a long time and participated in many different ways.
00:11:52.02	Wayne Bonnet	functions within the city.
00:11:54.49	Wayne Bonnet	And
00:11:55.40	Wayne Bonnet	And I helped work on the original assessment back in the early 70s with Jack Tracy.
00:12:01.88	Wayne Bonnet	on setting up the historic district.
00:12:05.34	Wayne Bonnet	So I am familiar with the ordinance of last year and also the historic ordinance.
00:12:11.43	Wayne Bonnet	Thank you.
00:12:12.29	Wayne Bonnet	statement.
00:12:13.62	Wayne Bonnet	that is quite lengthy and quite thorough that was adopted by the council in what, 2022 or so.
00:12:21.08	Mayor Cox	Yes, part of the general plan.
00:12:22.57	Wayne Bonnet	Yeah. So I can answer any questions you might have.
00:12:29.59	Mayor Cox	You know, we have a policy that puts homes under scrutiny if they're 50 years or older. What do you think about that timeframe in terms of, you know, assessing the historic value of a home?
00:12:48.49	Mayor Cox	We'll be right back.
00:12:48.57	Wayne Bonnet	Well, it's a good
00:12:48.69	Mayor Cox	or property.
00:12:51.44	Wayne Bonnet	operating principle, but there might be exceptions to that.
00:12:55.72	Wayne Bonnet	I think there are.
00:12:57.97	Wayne Bonnet	I'm happy to know my house qualifies now.
00:13:00.92	Wayne Bonnet	It's just past its 100 year mark.
00:13:05.31	Wayne Bonnet	But
00:13:06.91	Wayne Bonnet	I see nothing wrong with that policy. It's a good, I don't know whether a majority of people now who live in historic homes
00:13:15.40	Wayne Bonnet	like the idea
00:13:16.94	Wayne Bonnet	Or not.
00:13:18.20	Wayne Bonnet	Oh, wow.
00:13:18.96	Wayne Bonnet	I haven't been in touch with very many of them in the last few years.
00:13:23.25	Wayne Bonnet	I know at one time people were very proud to have their
00:13:27.01	Wayne Bonnet	Holmes considered that, unless they just bought it and have intent to remodel extensively, and then they're not happy with it.
00:13:36.36	Mayor Cox	Right.
00:13:37.19	Mayor Cox	Pace Mayer.
00:13:37.88	Pace Mayer	Something you said piqued my interest. You mentioned new materials. And often today, when people look at putting new siding on a wooden structure, concerned about fire,
00:13:50.52	Pace Mayer	Do you have any comments about that? How the concerns like that?
00:13:53.94	Wayne Bonnet	Well, I certainly understand their concern, particularly in today's conversation.
00:13:59.56	Wayne Bonnet	climate change and other
00:14:01.60	Wayne Bonnet	activities that affect
00:14:04.44	Wayne Bonnet	fire potential.
00:14:06.19	Wayne Bonnet	But
00:14:08.54	Wayne Bonnet	I have no problem with that.
00:14:11.17	Wayne Bonnet	I worked with
00:14:13.82	Wayne Bonnet	a company that made terracotta.
00:14:16.37	Wayne Bonnet	for a number of years.
00:14:18.39	Wayne Bonnet	on restoring their historic buildings and how they went about it and how they made a product that is fire resistant that resembles
00:14:28.47	Wayne Bonnet	any kind of material that you want.
00:14:30.85	Wayne Bonnet	And so I see nothing wrong with that.
00:14:33.89	Wayne Bonnet	I think it's an intriguing possibility that you could use synthetic materials that resemble original structures.
00:14:42.39	Wayne Bonnet	as so many original structures were used wood extensively, and that wood may not be even available nowadays.
00:14:52.45	Wayne Bonnet	like first growth redwood and so forth.
00:14:55.12	Wayne Bonnet	Thank you.
00:14:55.98	Wayne Bonnet	Thank you.
00:14:55.99	Pace Mayer	Thank you.
00:14:56.33	Wayne Bonnet	Thank you.
00:14:58.03	Mayor Cox	We're about to adopt a Zone Zero ordinance that requires five feet of defensible space around each home. And so how do you think that will affect some of our historic projects?
00:15:14.91	Wayne Bonnet	home.
00:15:16.28	Wayne Bonnet	uh i'm not sure how that would be resolved because i'm i'm sure you're aware a lot of houses in sausalito were plopped on lots that were designed many years ago and they encroach on neighboring lots and i know the five foot uh
00:15:31.43	Wayne Bonnet	setback for building has always been a problem so it's going to be thorny
00:15:37.86	Mayor Cox	Yeah.
00:15:38.62	Wayne Bonnet	I don't know how to answer it. Fortunately, I wouldn't have to decide.
00:15:44.32	Wayne Bonnet	It would just be a recommendation.
00:15:46.79	Wayne Bonnet	But I know if I clear 10 feet on,
00:15:46.84	Unknown	But,
00:15:47.41	Unknown	Yeah.
00:15:52.34	Wayne Bonnet	Both sides of my house, I'm in somebody else's living room.
00:15:56.10	Wayne Bonnet	I mean, there just isn't that much space.
00:15:58.85	Wayne Bonnet	So I'm sure some of the historic downtown structures, I know the...
00:16:03.97	Wayne Bonnet	from studying the maps from years ago that that's a difficulty.
00:16:09.96	Wayne Bonnet	Well, thank you.
00:16:10.23	Mayor Cox	Well, thank you so much for coming in. We so appreciate seeing you again and hearing from you.
00:16:15.76	Mayor Cox	It's our plan to make some appointments at the end of the meeting this evening.
00:16:19.59	Wayne Bonnet	Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you very much for hearing me out. Thank you.
00:16:22.93	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:16:24.10	Wayne Bonnet	Yeah, I'll talk to you later. I'll.
00:16:28.10	Mayor Cox	And so city clerk, Alison, Alison missed her slot. Yes.
00:16:33.75	City Clerk	Allison, you...
00:16:35.86	City Clerk	Yes.
00:16:36.41	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:16:39.28	City Clerk	No, she is not.
00:16:41.53	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:16:42.62	Mayor Cox	All right, so then that's the end of our interviews for this evening. We are going to adjourn to closed session.
00:16:57.14	Unknown	Thank you.
00:16:59.16	Mayor Cox	Yeah. So our regular meeting starts at 7 p.m.
00:17:03.35	Mayor Cox	And that hearing will be sometime after 7 p.m., maybe closer to 8 p.m.
00:17:11.04	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:17:12.46	Mayor Cox	All right, so we are going to adjourn to closed session where we will discuss the following. Conference with legal counsel, anticipated litigation, significant exposure to litigation, two cases, and conference with labor negotiator, pursuant to government code section 54957.6. The agency designated representative is Kathy Nikitas, our human resources manager, and Charles Sakai of Sloan Sakai. The employee organization is Sausalito Police Association. So at this time, is there any public comment on our closed session items?
00:17:46.57	City Clerk	none
00:17:47.46	Mayor Cox	With that, we will adjourn to closed session. We will reconvene at 7 p.m. Thank you all.
00:17:56.34	City Clerk	Greetings, everybody. It is now 7.03 p.m. The meeting for the March 18th, 2025 is now back in session over in council chambers for 20th Street. And we're also at the Opus Hotel, Vancouver, 322 Davies Street, Vancouver, British Columbia, V6B1R2.
00:18:14.58	Mayor Cox	Good.
00:18:18.59	Mayor Cox	Thank you folks.
00:18:22.05	Mayor Cox	We will reconvene to open session. Will you, we'll start with the Pledge of Allegiance. John Flavon, you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.
00:18:36.77	Mayor Cox	It stands in America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
00:18:48.12	Jody Moore	Thank you.
00:18:48.55	Mayor Cox	in the
00:18:48.97	Jody Moore	All the hearing from speakers.
00:18:50.49	Mayor Cox	I asked them to move, but they forgot.
00:18:56.24	Unknown	Thank you.
00:18:56.29	Unknown	Thank you.
00:18:59.23	Mayor Cox	Um,
00:19:03.67	Mayor Cox	Go ahead and call roll. Would you?
00:19:08.00	City Clerk	Council member of Laustein.
00:19:10.38	Mayor Cox	Here.
00:19:12.20	City Clerk	Council member Hoffman.
00:19:14.10	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:19:14.13	City Clerk	Oh.
00:19:14.30	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:19:14.90	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:19:15.98	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski.
00:19:17.61	City Clerk	Here. Vice Mayor Woodside. Here. And Mayor Clarks.
00:19:21.13	Mayor Cox	Here.
00:19:22.26	Mayor Cox	May I have a motion to approve the agenda? So moved.
00:19:26.35	City Clerk	Second.
00:19:27.11	Mayor Cox	Oh, would you call the roll? The city clerk.
00:19:30.97	City Clerk	Council Member Blastin.
00:19:32.24	Mayor Cox	Yes.
00:19:33.40	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman.
00:19:34.65	City Clerk	Thank you.
00:19:34.67	Mayor Cox	Here.
00:19:35.68	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski.
00:19:38.18	City Clerk	Thank you.
00:19:38.24	Mayor Cox	Yeah.
00:19:38.33	City Clerk	Yes.
00:19:38.85	City Clerk	Thank you.
00:19:39.44	City Clerk	Vice Mayor Woodside? Yes. And Mayor Cox?
00:19:42.19	Mayor Cox	Yes.
00:19:42.93	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:19:45.13	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:19:46.55	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:19:50.55	Unknown	Um,
00:19:51.96	Unknown	you
00:19:52.27	Unknown	I have no announcements.
00:19:54.95	Unknown	We were going to make a number. OK.
00:19:56.99	Mayor Cox	All right, there are no announcements for the evening. We will move on to communications. This is the time for the City Council to hear from citizens regarding matters within the jurisdiction of the City Council that are not on the agenda.
00:20:08.15	Mayor Cox	um,
00:20:09.97	Mayor Cox	We have a very tight and full agenda tonight. And so public comment tonight on all items will be limited to two minutes. Our first communications is from John Flavin. Welcome.
00:20:20.06	Unknown	Thank you.
00:20:28.38	City Clerk	for them.
00:20:28.84	David	Thank you.
00:20:30.23	David	David, the city clerk.
00:20:32.46	David	a, um,
00:20:33.86	David	cover sheet and a petition signed by well over 500 people.
00:20:38.69	David	seeking a recommissioning of the Spencer Avenue Firehouse.
00:20:44.80	David	We're very concerned about fire risk, particularly in our area up on the hill, because the CAL FIRE has recently issued a map that shows that the Spencer Avenue firehouse is right in the middle of a district that's rated the highest fire risk that CAL FIRE gives. We're concerned about response times because the roads from the downtown fire station to Spencer Avenue are twisted and winding and in an emergency situation, they're going to clog fast.
00:21:19.00	David	The same goes true for Highway 101. Everybody assumes we're going to evacuate into Highway 101.
00:21:24.98	David	But so is Mill Valley, so is Marin City, so is Tiburon. So that's going to get jammed up very quickly as well.
00:21:32.15	David	I wish I could tell you what the current status of the Sausalito emergency evacuation plan is, but the emergency services coordinator was for some reason, unknown to us and unknown possibly to him, he was suggested he not.
00:21:48.99	David	Meet with us. So we didn't get any information other than what's on the website.
00:21:54.93	David	Finally,
00:21:57.92	David	People, the current instruction of go to the water
00:22:01.98	David	Doesn't hold much because people who follow those instructions in Maui,
00:22:06.54	David	and in Portugal perished at water's edge from smoke inhalation.
00:22:12.30	David	So we are very concerned about fire risk in this area. And so are the 500 people who signed the petition. And I'm sure there's a heck of a lot more, particularly up there on
00:22:25.47	David	A Wolfback Ridge.
00:22:27.37	David	So I'll leave it to you.
00:22:29.37	David	to address that issue, but I do encourage you to take it seriously, particularly in light of L.A. Thank you.
00:22:36.21	Mayor Cox	Thank you, I will respond briefly to say that we are aware of the updated Cal Fire maps. Thank you for the petition. We will review it. We have asked the agency responsible for our fire protection to re examine our current plan in light of the updated Cal Fire maps. There will be a meeting between uh that their chief our chief and our city manager and then we will see where we go from there so
00:23:09.03	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:23:09.97	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:23:10.21	Mayor Cox	Next is...
00:23:13.57	Mayor Cox	Jan Johnson.
00:23:25.72	Unknown	Thank you. As you may know, I'm extremely concerned about the possible removal of the bridgeway emergency median and the dangers I believe that this poses. I've read parametrics' material. The data they present regarding collisions in this stretch of bridgeway changes between presentations.
00:23:47.23	Unknown	A source is noted at the bottom of the most recent map, SWITRS, our statewide integrated traffic record system. I've spent more than three hours on this website looking for the map that parametrics provided, and I cannot find it.
00:24:05.44	Unknown	It would be beneficial for the average citizen to have a direct link provided by parametrics well before the special council meeting so that we can study the actual facts. The varying numbers provided by parametrics makes me mistrust their data and hence their conclusions and recommendations. Thank you.
00:24:28.07	Mayor Cox	Thank you. I see our public works director in the audience. Mr. McGowan, may I ask that for our online materials that parametrics provide a direct link to the data that they are relying upon because we attended a Chamber of Commerce meeting this morning, we heard this same
00:24:49.74	Mayor Cox	concern and we've heard from
00:24:53.48	Mayor Cox	We've heard feedback from other residents and, in fact, from our police force about the accuracy of the parametrics data.
00:25:00.32	Kevin McGowan	Thank you, Mayor. Yes, I'll convey those concerns to parametrics and we'll do our best to
00:25:04.37	Kevin McGowan	get that information to you and the public.
00:25:07.32	Hank Baker	Thank you.
00:25:08.84	Hank Baker	Next is Hank Baker.
00:25:21.13	Mayor Cox	Welcome.
00:25:21.97	Hank Baker	Welcome city manager, city members, city manager and staff.
00:25:27.57	Hank Baker	The parking committee has met over the last nine months working with Wayne Kwan on a number of recommendations and skipping the introduction because of two minute limit. I want to just jump into those recommendations. First, we recommend as recommended by the Dixon report and proposed parking authority.
00:25:44.01	Hank Baker	The we strongly support the need for new parking equipment throughout the city to replace the aging and technologically outdated current equipment.
00:25:51.86	Hank Baker	whether or not the current pending a bag grant is awarded
00:25:55.89	Hank Baker	We estimate the annual loss of parking revenue and fines due to inoperable equipment
00:26:00.70	Hank Baker	and poor to nonexistent connectivity
00:26:03.11	Hank Baker	along bridgeway is 10 to 20 percent of annual parking revenue
00:26:06.88	Hank Baker	or $300,000 to $600,000 a year.
00:26:10.00	Hank Baker	The cost of any new equipment is an investment that will earn a double digit return through added parking revenue now lost through poorly operating equipment. Further, we recommend that the city immediately release the RFPs for parking equipment and mesh internet repeaters that will provide adequate internet coverage along Ridgeway for the new equipment.
00:26:28.44	Hank Baker	The responses to these RFPs will be necessary for the Council to make an informed fiscal decision
00:26:34.13	Hank Baker	regarding this issue.
00:26:35.34	Hank Baker	And speed is of the essence if we are to get anything done for this season.
00:26:39.68	Hank Baker	Second, we recommend that the city resolve any issues regarding handicapped parking for the 47 new spaces in the Sausalito Yacht Harbor parking lot that were to replace the 31 spaces lost in the new Ferry Plaza project so that these new spaces can be utilized by the end of this month and the beginning of our busy visitor season.
00:26:58.49	Hank Baker	Third, we recommend
00:27:00.52	Hank Baker	that the city increased Caledonia business district parking capacity by leasing the privately owned Christmas tree lot or improving the adjacent city lot.
00:27:08.65	Hank Baker	for use as employee and resident permit parking, freeing up street parking for customers of the Caledonia Street business district. Each of these lots can accommodate as many as 75 cars.
00:27:19.98	Hank Baker	Finally, we recommend that the city modify rates and hours in the downtown.
00:27:24.77	Hank Baker	Thank you.
00:27:26.02	Mayor Cox	Thank you, Mr. Baker, as I told you in an email, we will be having an agenda item specifically related to parking. And so we look forward to having a dialogue with you at that time.
00:27:37.66	Hank Baker	Thank you. I think some of this stuff, though, is urgently...
00:27:39.32	Mayor Cox	I'm not.
00:27:39.82	Hank Baker	Thank you.
00:27:40.18	Hank Baker	to get them.
00:27:40.46	Mayor Cox	Sorry, that was my privilege to make an announcement and to let the public know.
00:27:45.66	Mayor Cox	Mm-hmm.
00:27:46.83	Mayor Cox	All right.
00:27:47.20	Mayor Cox	Next is Babette McDougall.
00:27:54.34	Babette McDougall	Welcome.
00:27:55.89	Babette McDougall	Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you for recognizing me.
00:27:59.63	Babette McDougall	I'm here under the public comments section because I have to speak once again as U.S. Government 101 teacher. Tough love time.
00:28:08.27	Babette McDougall	I'm
00:28:09.27	Babette McDougall	going to reflect on what I heard in our community over the weekend.
00:28:13.37	Babette McDougall	People are wondering if this Friday morning last minute meeting to try to convey people's business was really a soft coup attempt. And do we have the orange man rules going on in Sausalito? Are we supposed to coto and be really polite or else we're going to get our funding and our everything else chopped off?
00:28:29.57	Babette McDougall	Or what? I mean, really, it's kind of upsetting to have people speak about our government in this manner.
00:28:36.17	Babette McDougall	It brings us to kind of a new low in the town, a lot of people feel. This is, I don't understand why we have so many agenda items that are not correctly noticed, that there is so much illegality. You want to know the most common question I heard on the weekend was, isn't Joan Cox the mayor?
00:28:52.49	Babette McDougall	Answer, yes. Isn't Joan Cox a municipal lawyer by specialty?
00:28:57.84	Babette McDougall	The answer, well, yes. Well, then why is Sausalito messing up so much? Why is everything going wrong? Why is the housing element upside down? Why is infrastructure upside down? Why is everything so upside down? If she's supposed to know what she's doing and she's running the show, why is it so upside down?
00:29:17.60	Babette McDougall	These are tough love questions.
00:29:19.76	Babette McDougall	This is not an easy job. This is a thankless job in so many ways, and yet rewarding in many more other ways.
00:29:26.93	Babette McDougall	And the citizens are counting on you folks
00:29:30.27	Babette McDougall	to serve us well.
00:29:32.23	Babette McDougall	which means by the book.
00:29:33.96	Babette McDougall	And right now I realize a lot of people are wondering, well, what do we do with the book? Because the orange man says, let's throw it out.
00:29:39.63	Babette McDougall	I mean, after all.
00:29:41.31	Babette McDougall	We have doge.
00:29:43.35	Babette McDougall	And in Sausalito.
00:29:45.44	Babette McDougall	The equivalent to that, I just don't know.
00:29:48.07	Babette McDougall	But I beg you.
00:29:49.89	Babette McDougall	America has done really well for you so far.
00:29:53.76	Babette McDougall	So don't be so quick to toss it aside.
00:29:57.89	Mayor Cox	Thank you, Ms. McDougall. If you look at the agenda, you will see that the item we considered last Friday
00:30:04.68	Mayor Cox	is on the agenda this evening for ratification. So there is no effort to hide the ball or be less than transparent.
00:30:12.25	Mayor Cox	All right, anybody online, city clerk?
00:30:14.63	City Clerk	See no further public speakers.
00:30:16.12	Mayor Cox	All right, then we will move on from communications to the consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial, require no discussion, are expected to have unanimous Council support, and may be enacted by the Council in one motion.
00:30:30.50	Mayor Cox	in the form listed below. So on our consent calendar this evening, we have items 3A through 3H.
00:30:37.26	Mayor Cox	3A, adopt the minutes from February 18, 2025. 3B, National Women's History Month proclamation.
00:30:44.62	Mayor Cox	3C, proclamation honoring Japanese Emperor Naruhito's birthday. 3D, Seger Chavez Day proclamation. 3E, reappointment of Vicki Nichols to the Historic Preservation Commission for a three-year term.
00:30:58.02	Mayor Cox	3F, waiver of second reading and adoption of Ordinance Number 02-2025.
00:31:03.40	Mayor Cox	amending section 15.04060 of the Sausalito Municipal Code to prescribe speed limits within the city of Sausalito.
00:31:10.59	Mayor Cox	3g adopter resolution authorizing the city manager to execute the first contract amendment with CSW.
00:31:16.75	Mayor Cox	to provide additional design services to facilitate the Alexander Beach Sewer Improvement Project in an amount of $83,297.75. 3H, adopt a resolution to authorize the supplemental appropriation of $47,599.86 to purchase the 2024 Westward Industries G04E V20 contract.
00:31:38.77	Mayor Cox	KW.
00:31:39.68	Mayor Cox	interceptor
00:31:41.22	Mayor Cox	And to purchase that from Turf Star Western, that is an EV.
00:31:46.77	Mayor Cox	metering vehicle with respect to item 3g I have asked the city attorney to revise the resolution
00:31:57.22	Mayor Cox	to reflect that these are additional design services, not additional design build services, which is a term of art, which is not what we are seeking from that.
00:32:08.91	Mayor Cox	Consultant.
00:32:09.81	Mayor Cox	Other than that, are there any questions on the consent calendar? Yes.
00:32:13.06	Melissa	want to pull anything but I did want to give special recognition for item 3h and just acknowledge that we received correspondence from the chair and a member of the sustainability commission and that it's actually quite an accomplishment that our PD is taking the steps to purchase and acquire an electric vehicle and that we're on a path to having a fully electric fleet so I wanted to make sure that the hard work of the PD and of our staff for pulling that together was seen here
00:32:37.08	Melissa	Thank you.
00:32:37.16	Hank Baker	Thank you.
00:32:38.29	Pace Mayer	I'd like to make a little comment about National Women's History Month. Even though we're midway through the month, this resolution should have been adopted at our last meeting, which unfortunately was canceled. And I just want to take note that we have many, many, many women who have made history right here in Sausalito, including our current mayor, who was in the first class admitting women to the U.S. Naval Academy.
00:33:04.85	Mayor Cox	Thank you, Vice Mayor.
00:33:05.98	Mayor Cox	Any other questions? All right, I'm gonna open it up for public comment on the consent calendar.
00:33:11.75	Mayor Cox	I have one speaker card from Lauren Wiley.
00:33:16.51	Beth Swerke	I have a comment. Melissa said it.
00:33:19.01	Mayor Cox	Oh, Melissa said it. All right. Thank you.
00:33:21.83	Mayor Cox	Anything online city clerk?
00:33:23.87	City Clerk	See you then.
00:33:24.73	Mayor Cox	All right, then I will entertain a motion to approve the consent calendar.
00:33:27.84	City Clerk	So moved.
00:33:28.87	Mayor Cox	Second, will you please call roll city clerk.
00:33:32.44	City Clerk	Councilmember Blaustein.
00:33:33.74	City Clerk	Thank you.
00:33:33.76	Mayor Cox	Yes.
00:33:34.20	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman.
00:33:36.56	Mayor Cox	Yes.
00:33:37.76	City Clerk	Council member Sobieski. Yes. Vice Mayor Woodside. Yes. And Mayor Cox.
00:33:43.04	Mayor Cox	Yes, that motion carries unanimously. We will now move on to public hearing items, the first of which is Appeal of Planning Commission Resolution No. 202424, approving a joint hotel and restaurant use at 715 AM.
00:33:57.28	Mayor Cox	I will welcome our senior planner, Matthew Mandich, and I will again remark that this most of the items we are hearing tonight were continued from our March 4th.
00:34:09.18	Mayor Cox	2025 meeting, which had to be canceled at the last moment.
00:34:16.89	C. Clarke	Hello, council members, mayor, vice mayor. Good to be here with everyone tonight. If we could get the presentation up real quick. Thank you.
00:35:04.56	Unknown	Thank you.
00:35:16.02	C. Clarke	Thank you very much, C. Clarke. All right.
00:35:18.03	C. Clarke	Thank you. Launching right in here. Okay, so yes, this is for the appeal of planning commission approval of a joint hotel and restaurant use at 715 Bridgeway. As you can see right here, this is the site in question in our central commercial district in the downtown right across the street from Vineyard El Mar Park.
00:35:37.13	C. Clarke	Pulling out a little bit here, you can see the building from an aerial view next to the Excelsior stairs, the park right here and the ferry landing and parking lot one. Next slide, please.
00:35:47.63	C. Clarke	Just a little background on the building. It was built in 1924 for the Bank of Sausalito. It was designed to mimic the grand painting temples of that time, but on a smaller scale. It is a contributor to the Sausalito.
00:36:00.13	C. Clarke	But...
00:36:00.15	Mayor Cox	I am so sorry.
00:36:01.94	Mayor Cox	I am going to back up. I'm actually going to open the public hearing
00:36:06.16	Mayor Cox	And I would like to confirm that notice was provided as required by law.
00:36:11.59	C. Clarke	Yes, it was.
00:36:12.91	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:36:13.80	Mayor Cox	And were there any ex parte communications by council members?
00:36:19.00	Melissa	I'm sorry.
00:36:19.03	Unknown	Oh,
00:36:19.78	Mayor Cox	No.
00:36:20.65	Mayor Cox	Nope.
00:36:21.45	Mayor Cox	No.
00:36:21.66	Unknown	Thank you.
00:36:21.70	Mayor Cox	look.
00:36:22.59	Mayor Cox	And no. Okay. All right. You can continue. Thank you so much.
00:36:25.78	C. Clarke	Thank you, Mayor. Okay, so we were at the contributor to Sausalito Downtown Historic District, appears on both the local and state register, and is eligible for the national register with a listing code of 2D2. As you can see, the building facade means largely unaltered, and it is a great example of the banking style of this 1920s era. It became American Trust and Savings Bank after it was the Bank of Sausalito, before it became Wells Fargo, which was in operation until July 12th of 2023, after which it was purchased by the current owner who's with us today, Kent Ibsen, in 2024. Next slide, please.
00:36:59.78	Unknown	Thank you.
00:37:01.49	C. Clarke	Here's just a little rendering of the project proposal here and the rehabilitation that's planned for the site. Next slide.
00:37:08.09	C. Clarke	The project proposal is for a ground floor dining, restaurant, and bar with a total max capacity of 105 guests, as well as which will be now 16 outdoor dining seats. Construction of a second floor will be built inside the building for the three hotel rooms for an artificial second floor above, considering this is a very grand, vacuous space. The western rear facade is to be removed to create space for a new patio, fire pit, and a hot tub lounge area, which will serve as guest amenities and be restricted to hotel guests those will all be within the existing perimeter retaining walls on site which are quite imposing concrete walls the exterior will require new signage new lighting flower boxes and a general repainting and refurbishment and all the defining characteristics of the building will be preserved and rehabilitated next slide please
00:37:49.25	Unknown	building.
00:37:52.13	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
00:37:53.28	C. Clarke	There were a number of planning permits required for this project, including design review for the addition of square footage, a variance to demolish the existing buildings in the required rear setback, conditional to demolish and rebuild, rather remodel, a conditional use permit for hotel transit lodging use in the Central Commercial Zoning District, a conditional use permit for alcohol sales in the Central Commercial Zoning District, and a conditional use permit for waiver parking, which will be heard by the planning commission in a subsequent hearing. Also a minor use permit for outdoor dining and sidewalk dining, a sign permit for a new business signage on the south and eastern facades, as well as a certificate of appropriateness that was approved by both the HPC and the planning commission as well. Next slide, please.
00:38:41.86	C. Clarke	Just to give a little walk around the building we're going to kind of go from the outside in, as you can see here facades remain largely unchanged over the years, the only addition that we're seeing here is the side door which will be used for hotel guests to access the rooms upstairs, as well as a new signage reflecting the new use of the building next slide please.
00:39:01.72	C. Clarke	Moving to the southern facade, as you can see, very similar. Only real additions to the historic building are the addition of the new signage. Next slide, please.
00:39:10.04	C. Clarke	Exterior details, here's just an example of what the building will look like and the palette that will be used, which will range from kind of an off-white light gray to a darker gray scale. There'll be new lamps installed here, which are kind of a throwback to the 1920s, dawn of electricity era, and those will replace the LED lights that are currently located in that area. Next slide, please.
00:39:31.74	C. Clarke	Um, there also be a restoration, uh, on the front of the, uh, left side of the front facade, including, um, there was a bank deposit box here. This will be restored to match the original marble that was once there where the ATM for the Wells Fargo used to be right here. The again, that will be that door that will allow access to the upstairs for the hotel guests. Next slide.
00:39:53.09	C. Clarke	And here's walking in through the floor plans. So here's the front facade here on Bridgeway. Here's that little side door I was talking about that leads back up the stairs to the hotel. Here's the main entrance into the dining room area, up to 105 guests, multiple tables, chairs, kitchen, and a full bar right here. As you move in through the side door, you'll have stairs and an elevator as well that will take you up to the second floor. You pop out right here. This is where the bathrooms for the restaurant will be as well, located up these stairs. There'll be a little bit of a foyer here that allows access into this back rear courtyard, which is the guest amenity area. It includes a fire pit and a hot tub. And the rooms flow off of this inner court here, which the largest room here on the left-hand side, two bed, two bath, lounge area, kitchen area, a small fireplace in the corner. This is the smallest room in the middle, a studio room with basically one bed, one bath, lounge area, and fireplace, and another one bedroom room over here, one bed, one bath, kitchen area, lounge area, and fireplace. Next slide, please.
00:40:53.86	C. Clarke	Moving up in the rear facade in the western area, you can see that we'll actually start over here. There's a small little deck that comes up through these stairs. This is adjacent to an electrical storage room as well as to other electrical equipment that will be located above the hallway, which leads to the bathrooms in this back area. Moving up to the deck above, this will be, again, a deck, a viewing deck for hotel guests. The left side will not be used by guests they'll be confined to the northern area and it will be only accessed by hotel guests and it would be prohibited to access the deck after 10 p.m and before 7 a.m next slide please
00:41:30.90	C. Clarke	This is just an example of the floor area mapped out here. See the first floor restaurant, second floor hotel use and the inner court excluded there. Next slide, please.
00:41:40.38	C. Clarke	And if we actually can we go back one, please see clerk, thank you just want to remark that this is the 1.29 floor area which is permitted and 1.3 is the max far for the zoning district next slide please.
00:41:53.49	C. Clarke	So this is the second floor addition inside the historic building, which will be used to create an artificial floor for the hotel rooms above. This is kind of the mechanism of how that addition works. This was approved by both the HPC and the Planning Commission. Here's a cross section of the room that we looked at earlier. One, two, three, all of which will have advantage to take advantage of these great arched windows to look out on the Del Mar Park and Richardson Bay beyond. Next slide, please.
00:42:17.64	C. Clarke	So moving back to the exterior of the building, this is the current existing situation here, as you can see, built all the way up to the rear lot line. This is the proposed situation. This area will not be used by guests as we discussed already. All of these rooms and areas that are that are down here will be removed for the creation of the new guest amenity area. Next slide please.
00:42:38.86	C. Clarke	Again, looking at this area, what's currently constructed there underneath these roofs right now is a bathroom, which will be replaced by another bathroom, a storage area right here, a lunchroom, and then the kind of a foyer where the staircase leads up from below right here in the bank building. So this is kind of a second story terraced into the hillside above the larger bank building, but to the rear. Next slide, please.
00:43:03.86	C. Clarke	Just an example of looking at from the Del Monte apartments, excuse me. I know we've had a number of public comments concerned about noise and visual activity going on here. Just wanted to point out that the view from these rooms right here is directly across at this retaining wall. That will not change. There is a view from the apartments located here near this first landing That does have a little bit of a look into there. However, it's hard to see on this, but there's only one flag that you can see of the story poles there that would show even maybe someone's head or something like that, which again, this is a pedestrian pathway, so it wouldn't really be causing much more visual or noise impact. Next slide, please.
00:43:45.16	C. Clarke	This is looking really into this area in the rear, which is one of the areas that we're going to be focusing on tonight. Here is the story poles that have been laid out, some bands that show where the deck will be and how that'll be, how much further that'll be down from the wall in the back. These are these large, imposing concrete retaining walls I was talking about earlier. These walls are coterminous with the property lines and the building when it was constructed before the zoning ordinance was built all the way back to the rear setback. And then this is the appellants house up on the hill. Next slide, please.
00:44:19.18	C. Clarke	Here's just some cross sections of that area as well, this back amenity area. So you can see here looking across. Contrary to popular belief in some of the public comment, the hot tub is not located on the roof of the bank, but in fact is down here, recessed below, overhung by the deck right here. And then this is just another cross section of that looking the other direction back into where the hot tub is. First deck up, viewing deck here. And then this is the foyer with the bathrooms, electrical equipment above that.
00:44:46.40	C. Clarke	Next slide, please.
00:44:47.98	C. Clarke	So a number of use permits were approved already for this project. We already went through some of them, but conditional use permits for the hotel use, alcohol sales, as well as a minor use permit for outdoor dining. 16 people on a 12 foot wide sidewalk and is nearby multiple outdoor dining areas in the CC district. Next slide, please.
00:45:05.21	C. Clarke	As we can see here, this really fits into kind of the program and the synergy that we have going on in the central downtown area. These stars represent other approved outdoor dining areas in the CC district. If Copita, Cultivar, Lapperts and Real Napa, you can see how the pocket would fit right into there. And it's also adjacent to two hotel uses across the street, Hotel Sausalito in above tides, as well as Costa Madrona. So really right in the middle of a number of restaurant and hotel uses in our central commercial zone.
00:45:10.29	Unknown	No.
00:45:33.85	C. Clarke	Next slide, please.
00:45:35.76	C. Clarke	A sign permit approved by both the hbc and the planning Commission signage is minimal largely mimics the pre existing sign program next slide.
00:45:45.34	C. Clarke	The pocket restaurant signs will have internal illumination, as can be seen here, whereas the in-the-pocket sign on the front of the facade will have exterior illumination in a small LED strip light here. And here's some renderings of what that will look like at night.
00:45:59.11	C. Clarke	Uh, next.
00:46:00.12	C. Clarke	Next slide, please.
00:46:01.62	C. Clarke	A certificate of appropriateness was also approved by both the HBC and the Planning Commission. All the character defining features of this building, including the decorative frieze, terracotta medallions, Corinthian column capitals, bronze grill work or excuse me, copper grill work and sashes and the Roman next arse windows will all be preserved. Everything will reign intact, be restored and maintained as part of this project. Next slide, please.
00:46:22.94	C. Clarke	So kind of wraps up the general gist of what the project is. It was approved by the Planning Commission on December 11th. The proposed project is designed appropriately will not result in any substantial adverse impact on the historic resource or the historic district. It's in conformance with all 10 of the Secretary of Interior standards. The proposed project is also in conformance with all the required findings in this hospital municipal code required for this project. The proposed uses that coming to this building fill a difficult vacant spot in the heart of our downtown central commercial corridor, and the proposed uses are also a boon for economic development in the city with sales tax and TOT tax, which is up to 14%. Approval is subject, of course, to the conditions of approval that were included in the original Planning Commission approval, which did limit access to guests key carded guests only and limit the hours of use next slide please so despite all this uh the project was appealed uh by a neighbor the appellant uh sharon khan breckhouse law submitted the appeal um on behalf of the appellant the grounds for that appeal were that the hotel use was granted in air as no commercial use over a thousand square feet is allowed on a second floor in the central commercial zoning district uh it also states that the hotel use was granted in air as no commercial use over 1000 square feet is allowed on a second floor in the central commercial zoning district. It also states that the design review permit was issued in air as the project exceeds the required FAR, which is 1.3 limit variance issued in air as the findings cannot be made, and that the parking exemption used was incorrect and that the hotel doesn't have adequate parking. It also stabilizes that the project was inconsistent with the general plan. Next slide please.
00:47:51.65	C. Clarke	So I'm just going to quickly go through some of staff's responses to this appeal here before turning it over to the appellate. First response is that the CUP for the hotel use was not issued in error, as the California Building Code states that a hotel for transient use is a residential R1 use. And I've pulled a section of the Building Code right here for you as well, which talks about how uses for hotel guests and transient uses, which are sleeping quarters, by the building code are considered to be residential uses. This is not a locus of commercial activity. There is no point of sale. This is restricted to guests only for sleeping purposes. So the building code sees this as a residential use type.
00:48:29.87	C. Clarke	Next slide, please.
00:48:32.47	C. Clarke	Um, the appellate also states design review permit was issued in there. However, this is not correct. Uh, inner courts are excluded from FAR calculations. The definition of an inner court is an open area with no roof that is surrounded by at least three sides by structures with floor area. As we can see here, there are three sides of structures with floor area. So it is an inner court and is excluded from FAR calculations. While there is an overhang over the hot tub, it is not a roof structure that expands one side to the other and enclose with the court. This is still an all an open air inner court area for guest amenities. Next slide, please.
00:49:08.18	C. Clarke	Um,
00:49:09.82	C. Clarke	The variance was also was not issued in there. All findings were made by the Planning Commission and it was approved five zero. This is an existing historic building, as we discussed already a number of times. It has legal nonconformities. It was built before the zoning code existed. And these these impose constraints on the building. It's also built next to a vacant lot, which is right here. This is a vacant undeveloped lot. So the granting of the variance is not injurious to the adjacent properties as it actually is.
00:49:34.66	C. Clarke	contiguous with a vacant lot also owned by the appellant however who resides back there the conditions of use were also put on the project that control the outdoor space how it will be used by who and what hours and we also have a noise ordinance in place that will restrict and enforce that use of that space next slide please
00:49:52.34	C. Clarke	The appellant is correct in that the exemption used by AB 2097 is invalid as it cannot be applied to hotel use. However, this does not preclude the project's viability in any way. The hotel use can certainly be parked, and we have exemptions in our municipal code that allow for a waiver of parking requirements via CUP when a new or expanded proposed use allows the preservation of a historic structure in the historic downtown, which does not require substantial alteration. This project ticks all the boxes that would be required to get this waiver granted. So the issue about the hotel not being parked properly or the exemption are really moot points because a CUP may be granted by the Planning Commission, and this project, this specific CUP, will be heard by the Planning Commission and hopefully approved due to the fact that it ticks all the boxes and all the findings can be made for a parking waiver. Next slide please.
00:50:44.48	C. Clarke	Um, last argument of the appellant was that this hotel use is not consistent with the general plan. They'd like you to focus on the section here in yellow that says hotel and restaurant uses can be a nuisance if, you know, not operated properly. However, we have a lot of section in the same paragraph in green here talking about, you know, what a great thing hotels can be for the city if they're properly located and properly managed. Um, this hotel isn't an ideal location in the central downtown historic district. It's of small scale. It's only three rooms. It's compatible with all the surrounding structures in the districts. There's no alterations will be made significantly to the exterior of the building and is also adjacent to three other hotels which have hotel rooms above the first floor. The applicant has also agreed to provide on-site 24-hour management of the hotel. That will be provided to enforce conditions, so they won't be relying solely on the police department to enforce the noise ordinance, but they will have 24-hour management on-site. All lights will be facing down, and any exhaust from the restaurant will point away from the con properties, and a CUP will be heard by the Planning Commission to waive the parking. And there are also additionally multiple large city lots within 100 feet of the property. Next slide, please.
00:51:56.02	C. Clarke	With that, staff recommends City Council adopt a resolution denying the appeal and upholding the Planning Commission's decision to approve this project.
00:52:03.70	Unknown	Thank you.
00:52:03.71	C. Clarke	project. The proposed project is designed appropriately, will not result in any substantial adverse impact of the historic resource or their historic district. It is in conformance with all the required findings in the Sassalil Municipal Code as it was approved by both the HPC and the Planning Commission unanimously. It fills a difficult vacant space in the heart of the central downtown corridor, and again, this will be a great economic boost for the city with the sales tax from the restaurant and the tot from the hotel rooms of course approval is subject to the conditions of approval included in the resolution or any any additional conditions proposed tonight by the council uh that concludes my presentation and i'm happy to take any questions thank you
00:52:40.92	Mayor Cox	Thank you. Any questions for our senior planner?
00:52:47.79	Mayor Cox	Seeing none.
00:52:53.61	Mayor Cox	then we will, um,
00:52:56.82	Mayor Cox	move to the
00:52:58.86	Mayor Cox	Presentation by the
00:53:01.27	Mayor Cox	Appellate.
00:53:02.44	Pace Mayer	Thank you, council members.
00:53:04.66	Mayor Cox	which is not on the agenda
00:53:17.84	Unknown	Thank you.
00:53:23.34	Unknown	Thank you.
00:53:25.05	Mayor Cox	I can't hear her name. Her name is Elizabeth Reckes. Can you promote her to a panelist?
00:53:25.12	Unknown	Thank you.
00:53:34.94	Mayor Cox	City Attorney, how much time are we providing to the
00:53:42.60	Mayor Cox	Appellant and the applicant for.
00:53:47.58	Unknown	I believe that the agenda states, let me just pull it up.
00:53:51.66	Mayor Cox	It's not stated. So somehow it got removed from the agenda. So I'm asking you.
00:53:56.96	Unknown	I mean, I think a reasonable amount of time. It says appellant presentation, 10 minutes. I think both sides should have the same amount of time in the interest of fairness.
00:54:07.69	Mayor Cox	Okay, I guess I'm looking at an old version of the agenda, whatever I have. So, okay, great. How much time?
00:54:13.18	Elizabeth Brekus	Thank you.
00:54:14.27	Unknown	10 minutes.
00:54:15.49	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:54:16.16	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:54:16.23	Elizabeth Brekus	Ms. Brekus, can you hear us?
00:54:17.50	Mayor Cox	Yes.
00:54:18.19	Elizabeth Brekus	I can yes can I get clarification I I was understanding it was 10 minutes and then five on rebuttal or I can save part of my time 10 minutes for rebuttal what is what what would you say is the rule.
00:54:31.06	Mayor Cox	So I have 10 minutes, then city council questions, five minutes, and then-
00:54:40.58	Mayor Cox	public comment. So I don't have
00:54:47.15	Mayor Cox	So city attorney,
00:54:51.68	Unknown	Yes, ma'am.
00:54:53.09	Mayor Cox	I don't see the respondent time on the
00:54:57.44	Mayor Cox	agenda.
00:54:58.43	Unknown	Yeah, and we should provide
00:55:00.21	Unknown	the same amount of time to the respondent as well.
00:55:02.76	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:55:02.91	Unknown	Okay.
00:55:02.97	Mayor Cox	Okay.
00:55:03.43	Mayor Cox	So we're going to have 10 minutes for the appellant and then 10 minutes for the respondent. You can reserve a portion of your 10 minutes for rebuttal if you would like.
00:55:12.54	Elizabeth Brekus	Got it. Thank you.
00:55:16.12	Elizabeth Brekus	Thank you all. Is my PowerPoint that I sent today- Don't start.
00:55:23.14	Elizabeth Brekus	that we have.
00:55:24.42	City Clerk	You can share your screen if you want to control it, but I do have that PowerPoint. How would you rather go about it?
00:55:29.55	Elizabeth Brekus	I'll have you control it and I'll just say slide one like we do when I'm present. And I'm so sorry I'm not present. I have a bit of a...
00:55:37.45	Elizabeth Brekus	I'm under the weather or I would be.
00:55:39.73	Elizabeth Brekus	I'm so sorry you're under the weather.
00:55:42.11	Elizabeth Brekus	Thank you.
00:55:44.57	Elizabeth Brekus	So I can't see though, if it's on the screen yet. So if you would let me know.
00:55:49.50	Mayor Cox	It's not on the screen yet. We will share the screen in a moment.
00:55:52.45	Mayor Cox	And does the respondent have a presentation city clerk?
00:55:52.47	Elizabeth Brekus	Great, thank you.
00:55:57.26	Mayor Cox	All right, so can we cue that up as soon as we finish cuing this up so that we are ready to roll?
00:56:06.39	Elizabeth Brekus	Thank you very much. I want to start by noting that staff said that there would be on-site
00:56:13.22	Elizabeth Brekus	management at this property and it would hold on. Hold on.
00:56:16.35	Mayor Cox	Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to start your clock if you're ready to start.
00:56:20.03	Elizabeth Brekus	Thank you.
00:56:20.06	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:56:20.65	Elizabeth Brekus	Thank you.
00:56:20.67	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:56:20.70	Elizabeth Brekus	I am, thank you.
00:56:21.59	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:56:21.83	Mayor Cox	Okay, go ahead and start the clock, city clerk. I don't see it.
00:56:29.48	Elizabeth Brekus	All right.
00:56:30.30	Elizabeth Brekus	Go ahead. So I just want to note in the staff report staff said that there would be 24 hour on site management and that's news to us that has never been part of this project I don't believe it's a condition of approval.
00:56:30.59	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:56:30.61	Unknown	Thanks.
00:56:30.79	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
00:56:43.82	Elizabeth Brekus	It's welcome news, but if it is a requirement, it should be a condition of approval, which at present it is not. And our understanding is that when the restaurant is closed, there will be no onsite management, which is one of our complaints. Moving to the next, the first slide, please.
00:57:03.23	Elizabeth Brekus	If you take a look at the...
00:57:06.33	Elizabeth Brekus	general plan, you'll see that there is a requirement that there be residential uses on the upper floors of the building in this area. And that's...
00:57:15.41	Elizabeth Brekus	is to minimize the impacts on the residential areas adjacent to the Civic Center. And those provisions in the general plan cannot be ignored. Next slide, please.
00:57:27.71	Elizabeth Brekus	The general plan also speaks to the fact that
00:57:30.95	Elizabeth Brekus	The second story is where you're going to place more housing units. And again, the idea that you place more housing units there is not only to get more housing units, but also to minimize the impacts to the residential areas that are adjacent to it. And so the idea is don't intensify the uses. Instead, minimize the intensity of the commercial area to the to the residential areas. Next slide, please.
00:58:00.55	Elizabeth Brekus	The staff report is trying to focus you on a state law.
00:58:08.09	Elizabeth Brekus	that talks about
00:58:10.02	Elizabeth Brekus	uh,
00:58:11.28	Elizabeth Brekus	a hotel being residential, but your own zoning,
00:58:14.84	Elizabeth Brekus	code.
00:58:15.99	Elizabeth Brekus	says that you're to use your zoning code.
00:58:18.34	Elizabeth Brekus	and it has definitions and you can't ignore it.
00:58:22.20	Elizabeth Brekus	And so what it says is that
00:58:25.27	Elizabeth Brekus	You look at your definitions and your definitions say residential equals 30 days.
00:58:32.12	Elizabeth Brekus	and
00:58:32.95	Elizabeth Brekus	So you can't ignore that. And staff has apparently scoured the Internet to find some
00:58:38.47	Elizabeth Brekus	code.
00:58:39.13	Elizabeth Brekus	that would support this
00:58:40.98	Elizabeth Brekus	novel interpretation.
00:58:42.55	Elizabeth Brekus	but it will not stand with stand scrutiny.
00:58:45.44	Elizabeth Brekus	You shouldn't buy it. And I'm afraid that if this was challenged, it would not.
00:58:49.93	Elizabeth Brekus	be bought by anybody else because we know that we don't look to our own code when we're interpreting
00:58:55.83	Elizabeth Brekus	the zoning laws of the city of Sausalito. Next slide, please.
00:59:02.62	Elizabeth Brekus	The general plan also notes that hotels can have minimal impacts on nearby residential areas with good location management and adequate parking, but the planning commission has approved a project.
00:59:17.87	Elizabeth Brekus	that doesn't have management,
00:59:20.07	Elizabeth Brekus	and has no parking.
00:59:22.18	Elizabeth Brekus	So it's the opposite of what the general plan states, and you can't violate the general plan.
00:59:27.91	Elizabeth Brekus	Next slide, please.
00:59:31.76	Elizabeth Brekus	Regarding the parking exemption, there has to be a CUP application and none has been submitted.
00:59:41.34	Elizabeth Brekus	You have two CUP approvals, that's regarding something totally different from parking. And here there's been no CUP application.
00:59:50.96	Elizabeth Brekus	to exempt from parking
00:59:53.38	Elizabeth Brekus	and there's been no notice. And in fact, your code requires
00:59:57.51	Elizabeth Brekus	Planning Commission hearing,
00:59:59.33	Elizabeth Brekus	which necessarily then contemplates that that could go up on appeal to you. You can't do it as staff is suggesting.
01:00:05.97	Elizabeth Brekus	by simply
01:00:07.79	Elizabeth Brekus	Um,
01:00:08.48	Elizabeth Brekus	you know, deciding at this hearing that you're going to grant one. In fact, if you look at the notice of this hearing, there's been no notice
01:00:16.56	Elizabeth Brekus	today.
01:00:17.51	Elizabeth Brekus	that you are going to consider a CUP application. So it's completely inadequate. And we know that the public wants to speak and weigh in on parking. It's a hot topic of conversation. And here you have 125 guests at this restaurant and then
01:00:35.14	Elizabeth Brekus	as easily 14 people that could be in that unit. And so you are now waiving the parking for a lot of people coming into the downtown area.
01:00:46.18	Elizabeth Brekus	and you have not given notice of it, and you have not proved it, and it
01:00:49.76	Elizabeth Brekus	obviously does not pass muster.
01:00:52.02	Elizabeth Brekus	Next slide, please.
01:00:56.68	Elizabeth Brekus	Um, so again, the procedure is not been followed. The notice is not adequate and the code is being violated. And until the staff report issued, suggesting that you just pretend that
01:01:09.55	Elizabeth Brekus	wasn't a problem.
01:01:10.87	Elizabeth Brekus	and you in fact approve a CUP application today,
01:01:14.98	Elizabeth Brekus	there was no notice to the public.
01:01:18.24	Elizabeth Brekus	And so it's inadequate, you need to send it back down.
01:01:21.41	Elizabeth Brekus	and an application has to be submitted. Next slide, please.
01:01:28.64	Elizabeth Brekus	Um,
01:01:30.68	Elizabeth Brekus	So again, here's the code language that talks about it. And here's the appeal notice. And what it's saying is today is a hearing on an appeal.
01:01:41.98	Elizabeth Brekus	It does not say that today is a hearing on a CUP application.
01:01:47.11	Elizabeth Brekus	And again, no notice has been given.
01:01:49.41	Elizabeth Brekus	And of course the code specifically requires the planning commission to hear that doesn't allow you to do a do over and pretend this mistake didn't happen at an, on an appeal.
01:02:00.87	Elizabeth Brekus	Next slide, please.
01:02:04.06	Elizabeth Brekus	The FAR has been incorrectly calculated and staff's explanation still doesn't pass mustard. And the reason why it doesn't work is because if you look at the FAR definition, the FAR definition says that we count covered patios.
01:02:24.05	Elizabeth Brekus	And if you look at the inner courtyards definition, it said an inner courtyards have no roof.
01:02:32.78	Elizabeth Brekus	So again, you count covered patios,
01:02:35.97	Elizabeth Brekus	and inner courtyards have no roof.
01:02:39.05	Elizabeth Brekus	So calling this a quote roof overhang,
01:02:42.35	Elizabeth Brekus	It's cute, doesn't work.
01:02:45.23	Elizabeth Brekus	That bumps the FAR when properly calculated up to over 1.3%.
01:02:51.19	Elizabeth Brekus	And again, that then doesn't work under your code. So again, you have a very easily appealable, and I don't just mean to this city council, you have an easily appealable to a court way to show that this project fails as a matter of law. Next slide.
01:03:13.53	Elizabeth Brekus	So again, the roof and overhang, that's not defined in your code.
01:03:18.85	Elizabeth Brekus	But if you look at the FAR definition,
01:03:21.87	Elizabeth Brekus	It says that you count anything that has a weatherproofed enclosure. And we all have to agree that what's overhanging
01:03:29.41	Elizabeth Brekus	the hot tub
01:03:31.18	Elizabeth Brekus	is a weatherproofed enclosure.
01:03:34.03	Elizabeth Brekus	And again,
01:03:36.04	Elizabeth Brekus	A building means a roofed structure.
01:03:39.62	Elizabeth Brekus	Um, and so, um,
01:03:41.59	Elizabeth Brekus	you know, even under your code in permanent tents have to be counted as FAR. And so if a permanent tent is roofed,
01:03:49.56	Elizabeth Brekus	and counts, well then a weatherproof spa room is roofed and counts.
01:03:54.45	Elizabeth Brekus	Next slide, please.
01:03:58.79	Elizabeth Brekus	Okay, so we have a variance request and instead of a 15 foot
01:04:03.70	Elizabeth Brekus	setback, we have a zero setback.
01:04:07.41	Elizabeth Brekus	And we all know that variances have legal requirements. And here it doesn't meet the definition.
01:04:14.60	Elizabeth Brekus	primarily because there's no hardship.
01:04:17.37	Elizabeth Brekus	They have a great outdoor usable space without the third story deck.
01:04:23.75	Elizabeth Brekus	It's a nice amenity to have this third-story deck. It's one that's injurious to my client, but it certainly is not a hardship because the project has plenty of outdoor usable space without it.
01:04:38.41	Elizabeth Brekus	Next slide, please.
01:04:42.33	Elizabeth Brekus	Here is the current space. It's not just a 15 foot setback from any use. It's a huge setback. And my client could never have imagined that this area that is just dead space would all of a sudden become this party space with a hot tub inside.
01:05:03.54	Elizabeth Brekus	a raised, uh, fire pit, a lower fire pit. There's even a kitchen, um, beyond the hot, hot tub. And why do they need a kitchen? Because they're going to store a bunch of alcohol on there and they're going to have a bunch of party space and the, the conditions of approval don't adequately do the job. They, um, they may limit times, but again, there's no management on site. And we all know that anybody can walk around and carry a, um,
01:05:33.61	Elizabeth Brekus	you know, a Sonos player or some kind of sound box and create music where there is none. So it is injurious to my clients. And I'm sure if anybody was proposing a
01:05:44.29	Elizabeth Brekus	a party deck and an outdoor party area right next to your homes and on your property line, you would oppose that as well. So I just want to point that out. The appellants are being reasonable and being very concerned about this.
01:05:59.24	Elizabeth Brekus	I don't know if you clock you're down to 20 seconds.
01:06:02.50	Elizabeth Brekus	Okay, next slide please.
01:06:07.21	Elizabeth Brekus	Our requests are that the residential unit be 30 days
01:06:10.62	Elizabeth Brekus	that there'd be onsite management,
01:06:12.95	Elizabeth Brekus	and that there be
01:06:16.03	Elizabeth Brekus	adequate parking spaces after hearing,
01:06:18.60	Elizabeth Brekus	and that they recalculate the FAR correctly,
01:06:21.32	Elizabeth Brekus	and you deny the variance for the third party deck and the hot tub.
01:06:25.70	Elizabeth Brekus	And that's it. Thank you.
01:06:28.05	Elizabeth Brekus	Thank you.
01:06:30.18	Mayor Cox	Okay, we'll hear from the respondent.
01:06:32.64	Mayor Cox	City Clerk, I noticed that neither the appellant nor the respondent presentations are in the chat.
01:06:38.51	City Clerk	I just got them today.
01:06:41.41	Mayor Cox	Right, and they're not attached to the agenda item?
01:06:43.88	City Clerk	Yeah, I got them today, not too long ago.
01:06:47.64	Mayor Cox	Okay, I'm simply asking if you would please attach them to the agenda item.
01:06:50.49	City Clerk	Oh, I will. Will do.
01:06:52.35	Unknown	Thank you.
01:06:52.65	City Clerk	Okay.
01:06:52.99	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:06:53.02	City Clerk	Thank you.
01:06:54.91	City Clerk	All right, let me.
01:06:56.80	Unknown	Do you have our presentation that you can put up? Yes, I did. One moment.
01:07:11.54	Unknown	Thank you.
01:08:04.44	Unknown	Okay. It's great to be able to speak to you this time instead of what happened a month ago. I'd like to start off by just kind of taking you through the property again, because there's been the big elephant in the room here is this deck. We have been approached by the appellant to eliminate the deck.
01:08:22.51	Unknown	The appeal's gone.
01:08:23.81	Unknown	And it's it's so it's that's where
01:08:26.71	Unknown	All of the attention has been not about the far, not about it's just a bunch of things where mud has been slung against the wall and seeing what sticks. So let's just drill down on this deck. So next slide, please.
01:08:42.69	Unknown	Okay, this is the general area that you see there. I've circled the restaurant and the deck location along with the Khan's house and the, you know, behind it flanked to the right is an incredibly large apartment complex and to the left is the Presbyterian church there. Next slide, please.
01:09:00.60	Unknown	I took it I wanted to take a look at this from basically the Bay looking in. So now when you're looking in, I would thank you all to take a look at the orientation of every single building.
01:09:14.57	Unknown	Every single building is oriented out to Richardson Bay, out to the park, out to beautiful downtown Sausalito. This is what people pay for. We're doing a three-room suite in this location, and it is not a minor addition for the guests in this location. it is an absolute necessary amenity. If you see the line on the wall there, the orange line on the wall,
01:09:48.62	Unknown	That
01:09:50.21	Unknown	is where the deck sits. So to be clear, it is not coming up over the wall. We're not looking into any. We are way down from the very start when I spoke with the city. So our goal is to be incredibly sensitive and come in and not be disruptive to anyone. Next slide, please.
01:10:08.32	Unknown	So this is the picture kind of similar to what Matthew had put up. You have to climb up on top of the wall with an eight-foot ladder to get up to the top of the wall to see this. There were large acacia trees back there. The cons cut them down and have since replanted some small trees there. But as you can see, when we bought the property, you could not see the cons' house. And there's a vacant lot behind it and then the cons house those trees are since gone it's still very very difficult to see the cons house when you when we take up this next slide next slide please
01:10:40.62	Unknown	Okay, here we are. This is this is the orange line that I had shown you from afar. That is the deck height and coming out where you see the pink flags. That's the edge of the deck. So if you look in the lower right slide, that's the CEO of our company. He's vertically challenged at five foot four, his head.
01:11:01.15	Unknown	that that line is five feet. So essentially this variance is to move that roof up five feet. And when we move that roof up five feet,
01:11:11.21	Unknown	From that orange line, it will be 11 feet from the top of the wall. So again, to provide perspective, I measured this wall before I came in tonight. This is 11 foot 4.
01:11:25.03	Unknown	This is where we're standing. This is reality.
01:11:28.96	Unknown	All of this other stuff is smoke and mirrors. There's no other place like this in Sausalito that has this walled city inside of it. We have stayed way below it. We've tried to be very, very, very conscientious about all of our neighbors. There's no way. So now you can look from this. Look up. You can't see the cons house from there.
01:11:52.27	Unknown	And the trees have been eliminated this. It's either the roof goes up and it's an asphalt roof, an ugly asphalt roof that the cons never see and doesn't do anyone any good. Or we raise up the roof and create a garden on it and a beautiful amenity for everyone else that the cons don't see. And I would make the argument as I stand here with this being the top of the wall.
01:12:15.20	Unknown	It's going to be very difficult for anyone to hear
01:12:18.88	Unknown	Two people at 55 or 60 or 75 years old clanging their glasses, having their anniversary, looking out at that beautiful view. It is not a party deck.
01:12:28.90	Unknown	It's offensive and that's just used to get everyone's dandruff up. So, uh, next slide, please.
01:12:36.01	Unknown	This is what we originally presented to the city. We paid to have these renderings done before we purchased the property.
01:12:42.61	Unknown	This was a part of our due diligence.
01:12:45.51	Unknown	we you know there's no guarantees until we go through the process of course but
01:12:49.90	Unknown	Everyone felt with a great degree of assurity that we could do this because of how we've designed it. Next slide, please. Since that time, the cons had asked for noise mitigation, for site mitigation. We've done these other iterations, one with just a sound wall that's atop of this wall. So now you're talking about 16 feet up. At some point in time, it just becomes a little bit unreasonable, I think. But a garden wall, a garden wall with a sound wall, and the reason that we put these little pavilions there,
01:13:19.33	Unknown	is because they were concerned about large groups convening. So we thought, well, if we, if we put these pavilions, there's one pavilion for each suite. Now there's just no large expense of spaces to convene or to have these types of events that plus we're conditioned to only the guests in the suites. So these are the iterations that we have tried to accomplish to, uh,
01:13:40.74	Unknown	Make this whole thing work with our community and with the cons. I want to really give the rest of the time to
01:13:48.49	Unknown	to land here.
01:13:49.58	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:13:49.95	Mayor Cox	and welcome.
01:13:51.20	Len Rivkind	Good evening, Madam Mayor, members of the council, Len Rivkind, Rivkind Mediation and PC. And so I have four minutes, so we're going to make that work.
01:13:59.00	Lorette Rogers	and,
01:14:01.65	Len Rivkind	Um, I'll just address the legal issues. So, uh, the issue about the hotel on the second floor, look, Elizabeth and I can argue till the cows come home. I think we're right. I think that your, uh, municipal code is adopted by reference, the state code that the planner has referenced. And we think that you can absolutely make a finding. Elizabeth isn't going to agree with that. She's threatened years of litigation, writ, writ, writ up the Court of Appeal, the whole nine yards. That doesn't solve the problem for anybody. The city needs this project. It's a good thing for the city. So how are we going to solve the problem? We solve the problem, send it back to the Planning Commission, amend your zoning ordinance, and make an express ordinance that you can have hotel use on the second floor, which is obviously happening at Casa Madrona Hotel, Sausalito and end of the tides. Uh, the next issue, um,
01:14:53.34	Len Rivkind	is about whether hotels require management or parking. Well, let's just talk about the parking issue. Again, Elizabeth is technically correct and maybe is going to win the battle, but not the war. And so we send it back to the Planning Commission, let them make the proper finding under your ordinance, says CUPs have to be first heard by the Planning Commission. Let's do that and check the box because you absolutely can make an express finding that you don't, you can exempt, uh, parking if you have a historic building that you're preserving. And this is the mother of all historic buildings that you're preserving here with this project. Um,
01:15:32.39	Len Rivkind	The next issue and what we've all been talking about is this courtyard, excuse me, the viewing deck and all that. Let's talk about that for a minute. There's not a scintilla of evidence or factual information
01:15:44.48	Len Rivkind	that the appellants, these NIMBY appellants, have provided to you that there's really any material with substantial impact from this viewing deck. You heard Kent describe, I'm height challenged as well, and that looks like a pretty big wall above me. And what happens is this.
01:16:02.56	Len Rivkind	This is not a quiet neighborhood that the appellant's house is in. This appellant's house is in a sea of, I went and walked the Excelsior stairs, there's apartments across the Excelsior stairs, there's two apartments directly above. All of these apartments have outside decks facing towards the water that face towards their house. The appellants themselves have the beautiful deck.
01:16:25.95	Len Rivkind	They just don't want this project to have a deck behind an 11 foot wall.
01:16:30.27	Len Rivkind	the applicant is going to be absolutely reasonable.
01:16:35.08	Len Rivkind	with the conditions of approval that I won't say again because you've heard what they are, but in addition,
01:16:41.88	Len Rivkind	We would have sound engineering analysis, material analysis to try to mitigate. We would do fencing, we'd do landscaping, anything reasonable. As you heard the appellant cut down all their trees.
01:16:56.96	Len Rivkind	that doesn't seem like a good plan to try to mitigate impact.
01:17:00.71	Len Rivkind	But by doing that, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So...
01:17:05.94	Len Rivkind	I'm just going to
01:17:08.10	Len Rivkind	Hey,
01:17:08.73	Len Rivkind	cut to the chase what we would like to see the commission the council to do tonight is remand the parking to the pc
01:17:17.42	Len Rivkind	uh,
01:17:18.48	Len Rivkind	direct staff to draft a zoning amendment.
01:17:22.83	Len Rivkind	That is a discuss. So you have an express finding of that. You can have hotel on the second floor, which is already happens everywhere in your CC district.
01:17:31.91	Len Rivkind	give direction to the council to approve a variance for the viewing deck because that's
01:17:39.17	Len Rivkind	It's just there's no, there's absolutely no evidence to support why it's a material significant impact.
01:17:47.64	Len Rivkind	Lastly, in my last 20 seconds, I didn't discuss FAR, but
01:17:53.48	Len Rivkind	That area there, it's 25 feet from the hot tub up to that viewing deck, and it's open to the weather. There is no roof. It's a bit of an overhang, yes, but it's not covered space. Thank you, Madam Mayor and Council Members. I appreciate your attention. Thank you.
01:18:13.12	Mayor Cox	Mmm.
01:18:15.80	Mayor Cox	Are there any...
01:18:18.30	Mayor Cox	All right, we're going to open up to public comments. Public comments will be limited to two minutes. I don't have any speaker cards.
01:18:33.42	Mayor Cox	Can you just hand them over?
01:18:40.64	Mayor Cox	All right. Well, we've already heard from Len Rifkind. Okay. So first is Jan Johnson. Actually, this is for B.
01:18:52.20	Mayor Cox	Okay, I have Wright Bass, then Joel Carr, and then Elina Franklin.
01:18:59.85	Mayor Cox	Come up, please.
01:19:01.53	Wright Bass	Right, Das?
01:19:03.44	Wright Bass	And I live right bass across the street from the cons. I used to live in that empty lot that's above the bank. And my dad used to live there when we were kids. So, oh, yeah. Anyway, but know the area well. And contrary to what this guy said, it is a very quiet street. Anyway, so I'm within about 100 feet of my deck. It's within about 100 feet of this deck.
01:19:03.56	Mayor Cox	Welcome.
01:19:03.91	Unknown	Thank you.
01:19:03.95	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:19:03.97	Unknown	and
01:19:04.08	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:19:04.10	Unknown	Thank you.
01:19:04.89	Mayor Cox	Yes.
01:19:28.85	Wright Bass	Thank you.
01:19:29.40	Wright Bass	And I never got a notice.
01:19:32.69	Wright Bass	OK.
01:19:34.68	Wright Bass	So I don't know what that means. Anyway, I don't care about the rest of the project. I wish him good luck. But that observation deck is going to encroach on our neighborhood. And also, I'd want to note that that parking he's talking about has been reduced because of the new plaza by the ferry landing, which is very pretty. But there's a lot less parking spots. So I don't know how that's going to work. And I'm going to make one more point, and that's that.
01:20:01.22	Wright Bass	you're gonna get people speaking in favor of this plan.
01:20:05.05	Wright Bass	But I can tell you, none of them live on our street. I just want you to remember that. And I'm done. Thank you.
01:20:11.03	Mayor Cox	Thank you. May I ask you, do you own or rent? I rent.
01:20:15.18	Mayor Cox	Okay.
01:20:15.60	Wright Bass	Yeah, but been there for since 1966.
01:20:18.57	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:20:19.77	Mayor Cox	All right. Next is Joel Carr and then Alina Franklin and then Jody Moore.
01:20:27.31	Joel Carr	Thank you, Madam Mayor.
01:20:28.61	Joel Carr	Um,
01:20:29.64	Joel Carr	I am Joel Carr. I'm a proud Sausalito homeowner.
01:20:34.11	Joel Carr	Um,
01:20:35.04	Joel Carr	This appeal is just simply beyond belief. It's a great way to save. This is a great way to save a historic building that has sat vacant for many years. The condition has resulted in significant amount of lost tax revenue that could have repaired our streets and potholes, improved our parks and many other infrastructure needs during the years when the revenue was lost.
01:20:58.80	Joel Carr	Sausalito is a premier tourist destination, and we must support high-end businesses.
01:21:04.65	Joel Carr	It is unimaginable that one party can derail an excellent project that already has unanimous approval by the Planning Commission, and the basis for the appeal is specious at best. All the issues in the appeal letter have been more than adequately addressed by the city, the owners, and today's testimonies.
01:21:25.38	Joel Carr	A successful community requires compromises by all the members of the community.
01:21:32.47	Joel Carr	Those who say no to everything are actually slowly killing our town, not saving it. Doing one-off things like selling a building like the B of A building, which has been put forward as a significant revenue generator, does nothing to improve our financial condition. We need new and ongoing tax revenue to begin making a difference. All the naysayers slow or stop the progress that could be made over years of slowly strangling good projects. Thank you. to begin making a difference. All the naysayers slow or stop the progress that could be made over years of slowly strangling good projects. Please deny this appeal and let us move ahead to make our city a vibrant place that supports all of us.
01:22:09.84	Joel Carr	Thank you.
01:22:10.69	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:22:12.20	Mayor Cox	Elina Franke and then Jody Moore and then Renee Lind.
01:22:15.94	Elina Franklin	Thank you.
01:22:18.38	Elina Franklin	Good evening. Thank you for the time to speak on the project. Really great project. So wonderful that somebody's coming and willing to restore the building while providing a revitalized use in our downtown. I am a three-year resident and a recent homeowner in Sausalito.
01:22:37.21	Elina Franklin	Definitely want to see improvements in the downtown core. We're an old town, which today I found out is not a term. Hurricane Gulch is the term.
01:22:44.88	Elina Franklin	So we love the tourists there, but really the project is great. It preserves the historic building. It is a small hotel, so pretty sure the disturbance isn't going to be great, even if it's there until 10 p.m.
01:22:59.52	Elina Franklin	according to the ordinance. And I think it's great to enhance the economic activity of our city and provide the funds to fix up some of the infrastructure and
01:23:08.59	Elina Franklin	you know, that needs fixing right now, but also improvements in the future.
01:23:12.15	Elina Franklin	It also
01:23:13.61	Elina Franklin	It would be great to have a municipal code that doesn't allow a single neighbor to derail a whole project that benefits the whole community. Not very collaborative or community-like. Thank you.
01:23:23.98	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:23:24.77	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:23:26.56	Mayor Cox	Jody Moore, and then Renee Lind, and then John Dimonte.
01:23:33.27	Jody Moore	Hello, Mayor and Council members. There is before you tonight a desirable and innovative repurpose of an historic building in our downtown. It was unanimously approved by the Planning Commission and given the unanimous go-ahead by the Historic Preservation Committee. Please bear in mind that it will add second-story hotel rooms like all the other hotels in our downtown.
01:23:52.98	Jody Moore	It will add a street level restaurant and bar like other restaurants and bars in our downtown. Yes, it may have some parking challenges, but all the other businesses in our downtown do as well.
01:24:03.28	Jody Moore	It will increase much needed tax revenue to our city and replace an empty, dark building with renewed vibrancy. It will provide a lovely meeting place for our residents, their families and our tourists. I urge you to deny this appeal and if necessary, fight any action filed in court.
01:24:20.02	Jody Moore	Let your denial of this appeal send a message that this council will fight for what is best for the entire city and will not support
01:24:27.49	Jody Moore	the short-sighted interests of a single resident
01:24:30.28	Jody Moore	to the detriment of the entire town and our tourists supporting our economy. I, for one, cannot wait to enjoy dinner at the Pocket. Even the name is cool. Thank you.
01:24:41.28	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:24:41.30	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:24:42.34	Mayor Cox	All right, Renee Lind, then John Diamante, then Hank Baker.
01:24:52.18	Renee Lind	Good evening, Mayor and City Council.
01:24:56.38	Renee Lind	I've been a resident of Sausalito for 15 years. I welcome anything that's going to add vibrancy to downtown and will bring more of our residents into downtown.
01:25:10.84	Renee Lind	a very vibrant and active commercial area.
01:25:17.80	Renee Lind	I have gone through the planning process. I know how thorough planning can be, and the fact that this was unanimously supported, I echo or I mirror what other people have said that
01:25:31.45	Renee Lind	to have one person come in and try to derail a project that's going to bring very badly needed tax revenue
01:25:40.53	Renee Lind	I wish that we could come up with a way that that's not possible going forward.
01:25:45.52	Renee Lind	So again, I know everyone's talked about the
01:25:49.10	Renee Lind	the contribution that this will make to both the vibrancy of downtown as well as to our badly needed tax revenue. So I am asking City Council to deny this appeal.
01:25:59.65	Renee Lind	Thank you.
01:25:59.97	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:26:00.24	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:26:01.44	Mayor Cox	John Diamante, then Hank Baker, and then Babette McDougall.
01:26:12.84	John Diamante	Good evening. This is a really difficult project and it has numerous challenges.
01:26:20.60	John Diamante	Um,
01:26:24.30	John Diamante	And because the two dozen inhabitants of the Dalmati apartments were not notified by postcard or letter or posting, you're only hearing from the appellant. You haven't heard from the people who are most affected, 30 feet away by possible noise, party activity, and so forth.
01:26:43.39	John Diamante	of
01:26:44.30	John Diamante	The issue of the trees is a complete red herring because it was at the last meeting,
01:26:48.92	John Diamante	you all were told that PG&E after the removal of the trees and
01:26:52.95	John Diamante	And the appellant responded to PG&E. It was not a malicious or ornery thing she did.
01:26:58.91	John Diamante	Reality number one is there are no views from any aspect of this project, not from the three rooms, not from any rooftop. If you go up there, you'll see the best you see is a bit of the harbor, a little bit over the park toward Raccoon Straits. There are no views. Reality number two is no motor vehicle access to this property is possible. You have a five-page letter from me. In depth, it rehearses.
01:27:24.76	John Diamante	detail all the difficulties of motor access. We're not talking about parking, we're talking about any kind of service. And you have my letter on that.
01:27:33.71	John Diamante	So number three, the substantial change it introduces to the neighborhood, to these long-time inhabitants, most of whom are working people, that is, they are workers, or retired, is substantial. So I would ask you, please, to continue the hearing, because I think you need additional information that will shed great light, especially from the immediate neighbors, and thank you.
01:27:58.89	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:27:58.92	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:27:58.99	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:27:59.14	Mayor Cox	THANK YOU.
01:27:59.19	Hank Baker	.
01:27:59.26	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:27:59.31	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:28:00.40	Mayor Cox	Hank Baker, then Babette McDougall, then Carolyn Revelle.
01:28:05.38	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:28:05.79	Hank Baker	Council, Hank Baker, resident of downtown Sausalito, business owner of downtown Sausalito, member of Sausalito's economic advisory committee, and interim member of the downtown PBID.
01:28:19.54	Hank Baker	I'm involved a lot in downtown. This is by far one of the most outstanding uses of a building I have possibly seen, and you're never going to get anything better.
01:28:30.34	Hank Baker	As far as the noise,
01:28:32.06	Hank Baker	We have the no name bar that's open till one or two o'clock in the morning with music.
01:28:36.80	Hank Baker	We have Jazz by the Bay. We have the new restaurant that's going to be underneath the Sausalito Hotel. And many, many other noise things that are part of an active, successful downtown.
01:28:51.42	Hank Baker	the
01:28:52.67	Hank Baker	the denial of this particular project will cause irreparable harm
01:28:56.97	Hank Baker	to the economy of Sausalito.
01:28:59.84	Hank Baker	to the benefit of one person. And I would finally suggest
01:29:03.50	Hank Baker	that the value of their real estate
01:29:05.91	Hank Baker	is probably going to be increased.
01:29:08.21	Hank Baker	by the completion of this project.
01:29:10.57	Hank Baker	Please.
01:29:11.75	Hank Baker	deny the appeal. Thank you.
01:29:14.54	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:29:14.55	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:29:16.38	Mayor Cox	Beppette McDougall, then Carolyn Revelle, then Adrienne Britten.
01:29:23.85	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
01:29:24.97	Babette McDougall	So,
01:29:25.94	Babette McDougall	First of all, let me just not repeat anything that anybody said, because you already know I love the project, and I also love the neighbors. But we have neighborhoods in Sausalito, and each neighborhood is a great place.
01:29:36.07	Babette McDougall	is its own acoustical bulb.
01:29:38.60	Babette McDougall	And it was really great to hear
01:29:40.57	Babette McDougall	the folks involved with the project actually speak about the issue of sound and that they've listened to it.
01:29:46.23	Babette McDougall	Now let's take the bigger picture. The bigger picture is neighbors need to get along. So this idea of deny versus approve.
01:29:53.96	Babette McDougall	Let's kill them or let's let them live. I mean, what about the meeting in the middle? Isn't that why we're here at the city council?
01:30:01.19	Babette McDougall	Isn't that what the city council is for? The real straightforward nuts and bolts is handed at the planning commission level, right? They're the ones that say, okay, it checks the boxes. All right, now the neighbors need to figure out how to get along from here. So not properly noticing the neighbors doesn't help.
01:30:16.37	Babette McDougall	But let's move on. Let's find a way to meet in the middle because we are neighbors after all. Now, a vibrant downtown requires the laughter at night instead of the banking hours during the day. So there's a paradigm shift. Everyone needs to recognize change equals paradigm shift.
01:30:32.75	Babette McDougall	Well, we want more vibrant downtown.
01:30:35.10	Babette McDougall	We've got other businesses that are dying on the vine because there's not enough vibrancy downtown. So the more people can walk between establishments, the better it is for everyone. We just have to remember that there are people living in homes right above, a quiet neighborhood right above,
01:30:51.45	Babette McDougall	And I suppose it's good why we sort of shut down early, even on Saturday nights. But I, for one, have a perfect ear shot of the cruising club, and I love that music. Thank you very much.
01:31:05.98	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:31:07.36	Mayor Cox	Carolyn Revelle, then Adrian Britton, and then
01:31:10.74	Mayor Cox	Branca Popovich.
01:31:13.66	SPEAKER_46	Good evening. I'm Carolyn Revell, and I'm also a member of the interim board of the Business Improvement District. And I'm here to support this imaginative reuse of an historic building for all the reasons that have been discussed, among them the boon to economic development for the downtown and revitalization
01:31:31.51	SPEAKER_46	of a wonderful building. I think the owner has gone over backwards to try to accommodate the concerns
01:31:37.91	SPEAKER_46	of the appellant and has several suggestions for you tonight. I won't repeat them, but they seem to me to be quite sensitive, sensible ones, and I urge you to consider them so that this project can go forward. Thank you so much.
01:31:51.29	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:31:52.98	Mayor Cox	Adrian Brinton, then Branka Papovich, and then Ron Albertson.
01:31:57.67	Adrian Brinton	Hi, Adrian Brinton. Thank you for taking my comment.
01:32:00.55	Adrian Brinton	I'd like to comment on the parking. That's something that seems to be a real concern.
01:32:06.54	Adrian Brinton	We've done a lot of study of our parking lots and how we can generate more revenue from them. And one of the things that we found is that there's a lot of times when the parking lots are not full,
01:32:14.59	Adrian Brinton	One of the times they're not full is generally in the evenings and having a restaurant there with 120 seats that brings in people who are parking in our lots in the evening is a very, very good thing for the city. Generally in the evenings, there's plenty of space in the parking lots. I've seen it in the numbers from our meter revenue.
01:32:33.76	Adrian Brinton	Granted, there are some evenings like, you know, when there's fireworks, the lots are full, but that's the...
01:32:39.21	Adrian Brinton	exception to the rule. So this will bring in a lot of revenue for us from that standpoint. The second comment I'd like to make is just about the noise.
01:32:46.79	Adrian Brinton	I myself, like Babette, I hear the cruising club. They're right down the street from me. I hear the music. I hear the noise. There's only one thing worse than hearing the noise of the cruising club, and that would be not hearing the noise of the cruising club. This means that we have a life in our city. And downtown, a quiet downtown is a dead downtown. I have to say an 11-foot wall, that was an interesting thing to hear.
01:33:09.37	Adrian Brinton	I mean, I think that's taller than most freeway sound walls. Freeway sound walls are built to reflect noise out from the freeway. The noise from this deck is going to be reflected out towards the bay,
01:33:21.69	Adrian Brinton	where maybe the anchor house will hear it. So I think that there's a lot of concern about the noise. I think that generally this noise is not going to be going up the hill. And if it is, we have sound noise ordinances that come into play. If the cruising club gets a little too rowdy, we can call and we can complain about the noise. We generally don't. So I think that this noise issue, while definitely a concern, is not something that should prevent this project that is so obviously great from the town from moving forward. Thank you. we generally don't so I think that this noise issue while definitely a concern is not something that should prevent this project that is so obviously great from the town from moving forward thank you
01:33:52.96	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:33:53.55	Mayor Cox	you
01:33:53.61	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:33:54.39	Mayor Cox	Branka Papowicz, Ron Albert, and then Jan Johnson.
01:34:00.01	Mayor Cox	Good evening.
01:34:01.19	Branka Papovich	Good evening. I am a resident of the Excelsior or Del Monte Apartments. What I've heard all night tonight is you're saying smoke and mirrors. It is not fair from where I, as a resident, that we are, that we're demonizing one appellant, i.e. the con property, because there's many of us that feel the same thing as the appellant has provided this evening in the show, in the presentation, we who live there on a day-to-day basis, morning, noon, and night, do hear noises that would be exaggerated because of especially the party roof or the deck, party deck, whatever. And I also am concerned because with all the
01:34:43.95	Branka Papovich	commotion that will be going on, which I love the project, I love the building, and I think it's wonderful that we'll see revenues generated for the city, which we do need. But I'm also concerned about the fact that there's a bus stop literally running.
01:34:57.34	Branka Papovich	100 yards away from this property and I watch people come and go especially in the summer where there are people on bikes waiting for the 1.30 to go back to San Francisco. There is no place for them.
01:35:08.98	Branka Papovich	to stand i've seen eight ten people 20 people where the bus can't even pick them up and that they have to wait for the next bus and to have that congested right with it outdoor dining and that just seems like a a state of confusion that was not necessary just rethink the project or scale it down and i'd love to see that project continue thank you
01:35:32.92	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:35:35.17	Mayor Cox	Ron Albert and then Jan Johnson.
01:35:39.57	Unknown	So good evening, council members. I'm here to speak in support of the project. As most of you are aware, I served on the council. Prior to that, I served on the planning commission. Many times I'd hear.
01:35:53.58	Unknown	angry, concerned neighbors
01:35:57.97	Unknown	expressing concern about all manners of things. I can't think of a single instance when they actually came to fruition with any project that I ever approved. It's natural when something is happening next door to you to fear the worst. I think the concerns regarding noise are overblown. The appellant made a lot of accommodations in order to get a 5-0 approval from the Historic Landmarks Board and a 5-0 approval from the Planning Commission. Reference was made to the cruising club. The cruising club doesn't have a 10 o'clock curfew. This deck that everyone's so concerned about does.
01:36:51.71	Unknown	I do call to your attention there are three learned attorneys up there. You may have some different thoughts, and I'm looking forward to hearing them. But absent certainty on how you're viewing things, I would defer to the appellant's counsel. I was disappointed, but I would defer to him. If he thinks the best course is to refer this back to the Planning Commission in order to make this thing bulletproof, I love you. but I would defer to him if he thinks the best course is to refer this back to the planning commission in order to make this thing bulletproof and put an end to the threat of litigation, go ahead and do that. Thank you.
01:37:27.57	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:37:27.61	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:37:29.07	Mayor Cox	Jan Johnson and then I have no more speaker cards on this one.
01:37:32.82	Unknown	Um,
01:37:33.51	Unknown	I'm surprised.
01:37:35.64	Unknown	I'm surprised I'm speaking on this, but I think it's a lovely project. It's highly preferable than a multiple,
01:37:42.71	Unknown	a storied high-density housing unit. I live at the corner of 2nd and Richardson. When I first moved to my home, there was a little three-foot
01:37:54.40	Unknown	picket fence, the noise from the road was intolerable, including cars bottoming out from the dip. So I bit the bullet and I put in an acoustic sound wall
01:38:07.01	Unknown	It made a complete difference to my home. The backyard is now quiet.
01:38:12.43	Unknown	I can enjoy the birds and actually hear them.
01:38:15.11	Unknown	So the sound wall that the
01:38:18.33	Unknown	Project developers are proposing should.
01:38:21.23	Unknown	ameliorate any noise concerns that the surrounding neighbors have, at least in my personal experience. Thank you.
01:38:28.74	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:38:29.62	Mayor Cox	Sharna Brockett, then Ed Morisi, and I see Carly Toe-Berg.
01:38:35.98	Sharna Brockett	Hi, I'm Sharna Brockett. I'm a resident. So I urge the city council to deny this appeal and move this project forward. Don't change a thing about it. The small viewing deck is great as a great amenity to the hotel and makes the whole project work.
01:38:49.38	Sharna Brockett	Um, I I'm sure many of you read by now, the recent San Francisco Chronicle article entitled California is full of NIMBYs. Sausalito is vying to rule them all.
01:38:59.37	Sharna Brockett	While it's focusing on our building housing, the same NIMBY mindset has blocked or delayed countless projects across town. The Dunphy Park that we enjoy today was people were against that. The Ferry Plaza that's so beautiful now, people were against that, and more and more and more.
01:39:15.66	Sharna Brockett	And now here we are again with an appeal
01:39:18.26	Sharna Brockett	against a thoughtful project to restore a historic building and turn it into a first-class restaurant and hotel. The property owner has meticulously worked with our Historic Preservation Commission to get their unanimous approval
01:39:30.12	Sharna Brockett	as well as the Planning Commission approval. Instead of celebrating this project as a rare opportunity to revitalize a historic district, we see familiar NIMBY objections, complaints about neighborhood character, and fear about noise. But let's be honest. Let's look at this neighborhood. There's our beloved church there, the Presbyterian Church on the Excelsior Lane. If it were proposed today, the same people would be in this room saying, we can't have a church there, we don't like weddings, we don't like Sunday services, potlucks or parking. They would be against it, let's be honest, but nobody's complaining about the church and the church is right there in that neighborhood.
01:40:08.51	Sharna Brockett	So this project is a gift to Sausalito. Not everyone buys a historic building and really works with us to make it work. There are so many historic buildings like this across the Bay Area that are rotting because they just don't work. There's too much red tape. There's too many things they need to do to make it work with their historic preservation committees. So let's approve this project. Let's start to ask ourselves, how can projects like this benefit the whole community
01:40:36.74	Sharna Brockett	instead of how do they possibly inconvenience me? Thank you. Thank you.
01:40:41.38	Mayor Cox	Ed Morisi, and then Carlito Berg, and then I have no more speaker cards.
01:40:46.26	Ed Moreci	Hi, my name is Ed Moreci.
01:40:48.67	Ed Moreci	I have known this is not about the project. This is about the man behind the project. Known Kent for 52 years. He and I were the first two guys that his dad hired at the first Schiplini's Pizza in downtown Clayton. He was nine. He was nine.
01:41:11.81	Ed Moreci	I was not nine.
01:41:13.98	Ed Moreci	I was way older than that. But we've formed a friendship for now 52 years. Kent has always, at a young age and at a little bit older age, has been a visionary. What he sees, he makes happen. And he sees this project not next year, not next week. He sees it 30, 40 years down the road. and every town that hasn't that he has invested in has benefited greatly from an Ipsen project Carmel Clayton every town Reno and they've all thanked themselves one town
01:41:56.49	Ed Moreci	did not believe in his vision. And they kicked themselves every day because he built a project in the next town and it's flourishing.
01:42:06.01	Ed Moreci	And if you have money to bet, I'm not a better, but I'm betting on Kent Dipson. He'll make it happen, and you will all benefit, and your children and your grandchildren will benefit. So thank you very much for your time.
01:42:22.63	Hank Baker	Thank you.
01:42:24.69	Mayor Cox	Carlito Berg and then Tracy Clifford.
01:42:28.86	Carlito Berg	Hi everybody, Carlito Berg, I live in the Marichip on Varda Landing. I just want to tell a super, super quick story. When this building came on the market, I took a look at it, toured it with the brokers. There's obviously a lot of different things to look at in a historic building. There's a lot of constraints. The creativity to put in a hotel like this is something that I have never seen, especially on this small scale.
01:42:53.94	Carlito Berg	on a high, excuse me, on a high ADR basis. Um, but really what we're talking about here is, is it easy to do business in Sausalito or not? Um, is it, is this something where we're gonna, where people are going to come into town retail, you know, we have a formula retail thing. And is the formula that we're going to look at be exclusionary and rejection, or is it going to be welcoming and, as Ibsen has done, be incredibly compromising?
01:43:25.22	Carlito Berg	I, you know, one of the things that I had looked at was getting a French Japanese company called Boolean, who have totally that same aesthetic. They could have kept the facade of the building. They talked to some local brokers in San Francisco. They wanted their first American store.
01:43:42.82	Carlito Berg	The local brokers referred them to some Marin brokers.
01:43:46.59	Carlito Berg	The Marin broker said,
01:43:48.00	Carlito Berg	Don't you dare go to Sausalito. It will never work.
01:43:51.87	Carlito Berg	It's a really bad idea. They're going to reject you. So they said, we can't be in this project. I said, okay, I can't bid on this building. So the idea that...
01:44:00.37	Carlito Berg	Um...
01:44:01.11	Carlito Berg	that the Ipsen companies had to do this is incredible. It's small scale. It's really low impact.
01:44:07.10	Carlito Berg	It brings vibrancy to downtown. It's something that should absolutely be approved.
01:44:11.61	Carlito Berg	And like another commenter said, this appellant is this is totally spurious. You guys should approve this. It's pretty straightforward. Thank you.
01:44:21.06	Hank Baker	Thank you. And Tracy Clifford.
01:44:25.69	Tracy Clifford	Thank you very much, Mayor, Council Members.
01:44:30.73	Tracy Clifford	I want to thank you for being bold enough to come into a town like Sausalito and try a project like this. We are not, as the gentleman just said, the easiest city to get things done. That doesn't mean it's not worth it.
01:44:45.80	Tracy Clifford	But...
01:44:47.40	Tracy Clifford	What is happening to our town?
01:44:50.83	Tracy Clifford	I want to talk to you guys too. What's happening to our town?
01:44:54.62	Tracy Clifford	I walk around here.
01:44:56.77	Tracy Clifford	until I recently put my dog down every day for six years.
01:45:00.68	Tracy Clifford	Walk downtown.
01:45:02.57	Tracy Clifford	and would engage with tourists, would engage with the locals, would engage with the business people.
01:45:08.58	Tracy Clifford	Our business owners are dying.
01:45:10.81	Tracy Clifford	They're looking for jobs so that they can keep people on in their stores.
01:45:16.33	Tracy Clifford	Because we don't have people coming to our town.
01:45:20.27	Tracy Clifford	San Francisco's not getting tourism. Therefore, we don't get tourism.
01:45:25.32	Tracy Clifford	We're not doing anything to promote it.
01:45:27.52	Tracy Clifford	to the nearby communities,
01:45:29.99	Tracy Clifford	And Marin
01:45:31.24	Tracy Clifford	to drive business into town from then, maybe another restaurant would help us do that.
01:45:37.74	Tracy Clifford	But this is desperately needed for the vitality
01:45:41.18	Tracy Clifford	of Sausalito.
01:45:43.31	Tracy Clifford	for the continuance of
01:45:45.40	Tracy Clifford	investment in our infrastructure.
01:45:49.10	Tracy Clifford	And for
01:45:50.92	Tracy Clifford	Sausalito would become a destination again.
01:45:53.99	Tracy Clifford	It's no longer a destination. People won't come here.
01:45:57.62	Tracy Clifford	From...
01:45:58.78	Tracy Clifford	Anywhere else in Marin, you don't talk to people from there. You talk to them from South Bay, you talk to them from East Bay.
01:46:04.44	Tracy Clifford	You just don't talk to them from a rent.
01:46:07.29	Tracy Clifford	And I would tell you,
01:46:09.25	Tracy Clifford	If I'm not mistaken, there are three units.
01:46:12.35	Tracy Clifford	Three units.
01:46:13.87	Tracy Clifford	That's got to be one hell of a party deck, and I would like to be invited.
01:46:17.58	Councilmember Sobieski	Yeah.
01:46:18.81	Tracy Clifford	You got a whole apartment complex behind it and you're worried about three units.
01:46:24.22	Tracy Clifford	It's ridiculous. It's a frivolous lawsuit. Thank you, sir. I ask you to deny the approval.
01:46:27.51	Mayor Cox	Thank you, sir.
01:46:30.27	Mayor Cox	Anything online, city clerk?
01:46:32.84	City Clerk	We have about six speakers. I wanted to ask Elizabeth Berkus is one of the people on public comment. Is she allowed?
01:46:41.19	Mayor Cox	No, she did not reserve any time.
01:46:43.08	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:46:43.10	City Clerk	Understood.
01:46:44.30	Mayor Cox	All right.
01:46:44.60	City Clerk	Thank you.
01:46:44.63	Mayor Cox	Uh,
01:46:44.87	City Clerk	Thank you.
01:46:44.90	Mayor Cox	Pastor Paul Murray?
01:46:46.10	City Clerk	Thank you.
01:46:51.30	Paul Mowry	Hi.
01:46:52.41	Paul Mowry	Can you hear me?
01:46:53.34	Branka Papovich	Thank you.
01:46:53.36	Paul Mowry	Yes.
01:46:53.68	Branka Papovich	Thank you.
01:46:53.71	Paul Mowry	Great, sorry. Yeah, I'm Paul Mowry. I've lived and worked on this block for 13 plus years. I'm the pastor of the Saucydeo Presbyterian Church.
01:47:02.35	Paul Mowry	charmingly referenced earlier, thank you.
01:47:04.33	Paul Mowry	We've been, the church has been here since 1906.
01:47:07.21	Paul Mowry	Like I think everyone who has spoken in favor of the appeal
01:47:11.09	Paul Mowry	I'm excited about the restaurant. Let's not lose track of that.
01:47:14.23	Paul Mowry	We have legitimate concerns, but we're not anti-business. We're not anti-development.
01:47:18.87	Paul Mowry	We've supported
01:47:19.80	Paul Mowry	A lot of the things that have been
01:47:21.79	Paul Mowry	but,
01:47:22.70	Paul Mowry	have been developing here. I'm sorry, Carlito,
01:47:26.25	Paul Mowry	Berg was discouraged from the site.
01:47:28.29	Paul Mowry	But first, so let me first clarify something
01:47:31.11	Paul Mowry	There's this repetitive and odd tone against the appeal from
01:47:34.57	Paul Mowry	one neighbor
01:47:35.85	Paul Mowry	who filed the appeal that really casts a strange tone to this.
01:47:39.81	Paul Mowry	That one neighbor speaks for me and my family and for my place of work.
01:47:44.24	Paul Mowry	And secondly,
01:47:45.62	Paul Mowry	Um,
01:47:46.31	Paul Mowry	fairly represents the position of every one of my neighbors I've spoken with.
01:47:50.80	Paul Mowry	Um,
01:47:51.81	Paul Mowry	around here.
01:47:53.26	Paul Mowry	The planning commission earlier and the respondent erroneously think that it's just about the view
01:47:59.31	Paul Mowry	from 14 Excelsior Lane.
01:48:01.36	Paul Mowry	That's not why everyone has shown up.
01:48:03.86	Paul Mowry	But one neighbor is carrying the weight for the neighborhood and is being characterized as some lone wolf campaign.
01:48:09.43	Paul Mowry	And I just think it's really inaccurate and unfair.
01:48:12.67	Paul Mowry	And nevertheless, a lot of great campaigns
01:48:16.18	Paul Mowry	have been,
01:48:16.94	Paul Mowry	led by one person.
01:48:19.10	Paul Mowry	I think that what,
01:48:21.51	Paul Mowry	we're really concerned about
01:48:23.02	Paul Mowry	is the sound.
01:48:25.85	Paul Mowry	The gentleman from the development said he walked around and saw all these balconies.
01:48:30.61	Paul Mowry	You know what? Those balconies belong to people who are permanent residents.
01:48:35.52	Paul Mowry	We're not in Sausalito for the weekend having a great time.
01:48:39.25	Paul Mowry	and hooting it up.
01:48:40.56	Paul Mowry	I really think that I'm really, really glad that they've added that 24-7 on-site management. It should definitely be.
01:48:47.16	Paul Mowry	a,
01:48:48.61	Paul Mowry	requirement for the proposal.
01:48:51.69	Paul Mowry	But I also think that
01:48:54.72	Mayor Cox	Thank you. Who's next?
01:48:57.14	City Clerk	Joris Von Menz.
01:49:05.02	Joris Von Menz	Hi there, this is George speaking. I'm a resident of Sausalito for many years. This looks like a really great project and I'm very excited that it's coming to our town.
01:49:15.16	Joris Von Menz	I wish in the future we could
01:49:17.88	Joris Von Menz	find a way to make such improvements, perhaps happen a little bit more speedily.
01:49:23.71	Joris Von Menz	But I'm very excited about this one and looking forward to
01:49:28.12	Joris Von Menz	visiting the restaurant very soon.
01:49:30.75	Joris Von Menz	Thank you.
01:49:31.91	Hank Baker	Thank you. Thank you.
01:49:33.82	City Clerk	Next speaker is Beth Swerke.
01:49:43.15	Beth Swerke	Mute.
01:49:43.68	Beth Swerke	Hello. Hi.
01:49:45.26	Beth Swerke	I'm Beth Swerke.
01:49:47.26	Beth Swerke	Um,
01:49:48.76	Beth Swerke	Can you hear me okay?
01:49:50.27	Beth Swerke	Yes.
01:49:50.85	Beth Swerke	Okay, great. Beth's work, resident of 10 years. You know, I sat in the city council meetings when we were talking about the ferry landing and I listened to...
01:50:00.57	Beth Swerke	true visionaries in the landscape architect field who do work in Barcelona and Brooklyn and we're offering their time for free to invest in our town and make it special.
01:50:12.64	Beth Swerke	And it was a fight. And now I hear visionaries saying,
01:50:16.28	Beth Swerke	in this business who want to bring such a beautiful thing here again. How lucky we are that all of these visionaries want to bring
01:50:23.70	Beth Swerke	their visions to Sausalito and make us a better town. What I don't want in my backyard are no storefronts and no businesses and no life and no vitality in our town.
01:50:34.40	Beth Swerke	I coincidentally was just talking to a friend
01:50:37.31	Beth Swerke	A couple of weeks ago, who's in Tiburon about a trip I'm taking to Carmel.
01:50:41.69	Beth Swerke	And knowing nothing, she said,
01:50:43.53	Beth Swerke	If you go to one place, you have to go to the pocket. It's the most special, unique gem of a place in Carmel.
01:50:49.71	Beth Swerke	And what a beautiful opportunity would be for us to be able to say that about Sausalito, to bring in tourism, to have a place for us locals, even others in Marin, the city, whatnot to come to.
01:51:00.34	Beth Swerke	This is an opportunity that we shouldn't pass up.
01:51:02.96	Beth Swerke	And I urge you to continue to move it forward as you all have been wanting to. Thank you.
01:51:10.21	City Clerk	Next speaker is Bonnie McGregor.
01:51:19.71	Bonnie McGregor	Can you hear me now?
01:51:21.47	Unknown	Yes.
01:51:22.18	Bonnie McGregor	Okay.
01:51:23.32	Bonnie McGregor	I was muted.
01:51:24.66	Bonnie McGregor	Well, I'm a long-term resident. I've been here over 40 years, and I've been involved with various things around Sausalito for the whole time.
01:51:32.67	Bonnie McGregor	And I've seen projects come and go and other projects never be able to get started because how difficult it is to do it here and down.
01:51:40.74	Bonnie McGregor	Part of it is procedures and part of it is the group I have
01:51:44.27	Bonnie McGregor	labeled the no-no gang. They just say no. They don't have a reason for saying no.
01:51:48.99	Bonnie McGregor	This this appellate does at least have a reason for saying no.
01:51:52.82	Bonnie McGregor	I'm a hundred percent behind moving forward with this project as quickly as possible.
01:51:57.92	Bonnie McGregor	I also walk all over downtown.
01:52:00.08	Bonnie McGregor	And then I stop and chat with the merchants as well as everybody else.
01:52:04.11	Bonnie McGregor	And the number of merchants that are really upset and almost going under is unbelievable. And I think some of them tell me things not to be passed around, but I can tell you this, there are a lot of them who are really, really hurting.
01:52:16.31	Bonnie McGregor	We need to get this going.
01:52:17.88	Bonnie McGregor	And I spent 15 years in the hospitality business, in other words, the restaurant and bar business.
01:52:24.29	Bonnie McGregor	And I had pubs.
01:52:26.84	Bonnie McGregor	which were a lot noisier than this could ever be, even if it tried to be noisy.
01:52:31.33	Bonnie McGregor	with three rooms and it has to be a price point that is not exactly going to attract hell raisers.
01:52:37.46	Bonnie McGregor	Bye.
01:52:38.27	Bonnie McGregor	really think these people are stretching for a reason to say no to something.
01:52:43.46	Bonnie McGregor	that I'm opposed to saying, no, let's move forward with this and let's do it now, please. It's still going to take them a year to get it running.
01:52:53.34	Hank Baker	Thank you. City Clerk.
01:52:56.07	City Clerk	We have Eva.
01:53:00.31	Ms. Krasanth	Thanks. As someone who worked many years in Sausalito in the hospitality industry,
01:53:05.92	Ms. Krasanth	I'd just like to remind the people who are so concerned about the noise in this project that
01:53:12.30	Ms. Krasanth	Sausalito has not always been this fusty and fussy. You know, it was a working town for a long time. It had lots of noise. It had lots of bars. If you know the history of Harry Bridges, you know that he was actually jumped by two people over politics at Sally Stanford's back in the day. That was the early 1950s, legendary union leader. I mean, I
01:53:43.44	Ms. Krasanth	I understand that the population of Sausalito is aging and they've become incredibly averse to change and incredibly conservative and that's too bad.
01:53:56.41	Ms. Krasanth	you know.
01:53:57.97	Ms. Krasanth	The history of Sausalito is a lot longer than most of the people who are complaining.
01:54:03.22	Ms. Krasanth	about
01:54:04.04	Ms. Krasanth	Um,
01:54:04.84	Ms. Krasanth	you know, noise that that they can learn to live with.
01:54:09.10	Ms. Krasanth	it's a downtown area. It needs to be understood as such. And I do want to point out that
01:54:17.17	Ms. Krasanth	The...
01:54:18.25	Ms. Krasanth	extreme conservatism with regard to
01:54:22.64	Ms. Krasanth	any change in Sausalito is really evident on the body cam that I got from
01:54:29.83	Ms. Krasanth	Um,
01:54:31.38	Ms. Krasanth	through a CPRA request to the city regarding the September 26th incident.
01:54:37.23	Ms. Krasanth	at the candidate forum. I'm going to stop you there. This is...
01:54:39.14	Mayor Cox	I'm going to stop there. This is only going to hear public comment related to this project.
01:54:49.23	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
01:54:49.25	Mayor Cox	Did she hang up?
01:54:49.93	Babette McDougall	Yeah.
01:54:50.33	City Clerk	Okay.
01:54:50.45	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:54:50.55	City Clerk	I'll bet.
01:54:52.44	City Clerk	I'll ask her to mute.
01:54:54.72	Mayor Cox	No, she can finish her comment. She just can't comment about something that is not the agendized items.
01:55:02.36	Ms. Krasanth	I'm just going to point out, and thank you for unmuting me, I'm just going to point out that this sort of contempt from certain members of the board, of the council, toward the First Amendment, this is relevant. And I think what you see in general, the criticism that you just got in the San Francisco
01:55:24.97	City Clerk	That was our two minutes. Next speaker is Jacques Ullman.
01:55:34.54	Councilmember Sobieski	Yes, I definitely am in favor of this project, and I wasn't going to really take your time, but I have to respond to it.
01:55:42.02	Councilmember Sobieski	to the recent comment about the
01:55:44.01	Councilmember Sobieski	the population getting older, I'm going to be 90 and
01:55:47.60	Councilmember Sobieski	October, and I've lived here since 1970.
01:55:50.79	Councilmember Sobieski	And I've been for a lot of the changes here. I was behind improvements in Dunphy Park.
01:55:56.50	Councilmember Sobieski	and our plaza so a little bit
01:55:59.72	Councilmember Sobieski	resent
01:56:00.98	Councilmember Sobieski	the impression that us older folks are all negative. I have not been one of the no people in this town. Thank you.
01:56:11.95	Mayor Cox	I don't know if you could hear it, Jacques. There's applause for you.
01:56:15.48	Mayor Cox	Bye.
01:56:16.17	Councilmember Sobieski	Okay.
01:56:16.27	Mayor Cox	Okay.
01:56:22.08	Hank Baker	Anything else to declare? Okay.
01:56:23.28	City Clerk	Charles Melton.
01:56:23.63	Hank Baker	Uh,
01:56:31.23	Charles Meltson	Good evening City Council, my name is Charles Meltson.
01:56:33.23	Charles Meltson	I want to provide some comments tonight. Thank you for the opportunity to provide comments on this issue.
01:56:37.54	Charles Meltson	Sausalito is not just a collection of buildings and neighborhoods. It's a shared endeavor, a place where we all benefit from progress. As a community, we all contribute to challenges and solutions that come with our unique yet wonderful city. Some opponents of this project have suggested that its impact will be unfairly borne by a select few. The reality is the repurpose of this building, especially responsible small-scale projects like this one, benefit the entire city. It drives economic activity, drives support for local businesses who desperately need it right now, and enhances our cultural and historical appreciation by giving a new purpose to historic spaces rather than allowing them to deteriorate or remain underutilized. Change by its nature brings adjustment, but any burdens of progress must be weighed against the burdens of stagnation, which our downtown suffers from. Leaving historic properties empty serves no one. Restricting a thoughtful and appropriate revitalization of historic building
01:57:00.77	Unknown	Yeah.
01:57:30.73	Charles Meltson	does not preserve our city's character, it risks allowing it to wither or worse, be subject to even grander developments in the future.
01:57:37.97	Charles Meltson	This hotel will not be a high rise, a disruptive mega development, or corporate intrusion to our city's history. It is a small, carefully considered investment in our community, repurposing a historic space in a way that honors its past while ensuring its future. I urge us to remember that our city thrives when we embrace balanced, fair, and forward-thinking decisions. Progress should not be seen as a burden on a select few, but as a shared opportunity for all. This project is a prime example of thoughtful, reasonable, and a responsible project. I hired our city council to deny the appeal and move this project forward. Thank you for the opportunity to provide comments.
01:58:15.58	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:58:15.61	Hank Baker	THANK YOU.
01:58:15.77	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
01:58:16.88	City Clerk	No further public speakers.
01:58:20.00	Mayor Cox	OK, so I'm going to close public comment. At the beginning of this hearing, I gave appellant an opportunity to reserve. She did not. I don't believe any new issues have been raised during public comment. But I am nevertheless going to give both the appellant and the respondent two minutes to address issues raised during public comment to the extent they believe those issues were not previously addressed.
01:58:51.74	Unknown	So can you.
01:58:51.81	Mayor Cox	So can you promote Elizabeth Brekus to a panelist, please, city clerk?
01:59:08.40	Elizabeth Brekus	Hi there. Hi there. Welcome back. Thank you.
01:59:12.06	Elizabeth Brekus	Well, the main thing I want to address is the lack of notice that was raised by various tenants. And I did email the city today and advise that there were five specific tenants
01:59:25.71	Elizabeth Brekus	that my client had spoken to
01:59:28.23	Elizabeth Brekus	who
01:59:29.38	Elizabeth Brekus	said that they did not get notice of this. And given that the last hearing was
01:59:38.10	Elizabeth Brekus	terminated because of lack of notice.
01:59:40.68	Elizabeth Brekus	you know, the city to know about that.
01:59:43.43	Elizabeth Brekus	And the response back was that
01:59:47.85	Elizabeth Brekus	There wasn't notice to the tenants.
01:59:51.24	Elizabeth Brekus	And yet that notice was not a reason to
01:59:56.27	Elizabeth Brekus	not go forward with the hearing because under your
01:59:59.72	Elizabeth Brekus	code.
02:00:00.68	Elizabeth Brekus	Lack of notice is not a reason
02:00:03.09	Elizabeth Brekus	to eliminate a decision.
02:00:05.64	Elizabeth Brekus	But I just don't feel like that does justice to the spirit of public notice, which is
02:00:11.58	Elizabeth Brekus	We give notice to everybody and giving notice to the owners, that's important and that's good. But it seems very unfair to not give notice to the tenants, many of whom,
02:00:25.40	Elizabeth Brekus	are in the apartment building very close to this project.
02:00:29.82	Elizabeth Brekus	And so some of them spoke about this.
02:00:32.27	Elizabeth Brekus	I believe that that was a widespread
02:00:35.51	Elizabeth Brekus	spread failure.
02:00:36.91	Elizabeth Brekus	The email I got, which I do ask that my email and the email from the city attorney
02:00:42.51	Elizabeth Brekus	And, um,
02:00:43.84	Elizabeth Brekus	from you, Mayor.
02:00:45.41	Elizabeth Brekus	be part of the public record, I looked while the break was happening, and I don't see it's on the agenda asset that be added. And the explanation was, well,
02:00:56.75	Elizabeth Brekus	our notice to the public to
02:00:59.77	Elizabeth Brekus	to people that aren't owners.
02:01:02.24	Elizabeth Brekus	is kind of antiquated. So we just didn't give notice, but we don't have to invalidate it. And I just think that's wrong. I think that
02:01:09.76	Elizabeth Brekus	You know, South Salado has a lot of tenants.
02:01:11.99	Elizabeth Brekus	It's really important that you give notice.
02:01:14.42	Elizabeth Brekus	it would be very unfair if owners get notice and tenants don't. And so-
02:01:18.15	Mayor Cox	So sorry, that's your two minutes, Ms. Brekus. But I think you've made your point. Thank you.
02:01:22.74	Mayor Cox	All right, and I'll give the respondent an opportunity to respond. You have two minutes as well.
02:01:30.93	Len Rivkind	I think the council's probably heard enough, and so I want to use my two minutes to offer the council to ask any questions of Mr. Ibsen, architect, who's also present, or God forbid you'll ask me some legal question that I won't know the answer to. But we're available to answer your questions before you deliberate if you have any.
02:01:51.44	Mayor Cox	That's a separate process. I'm going to allow that to happen after I close the
02:01:58.47	Len Rivkind	public hearing. We have nothing further to add.
02:02:00.64	Mayor Cox	All right. Thank you. All right. So with that, I will close the public hearing and bring it back up here for a motion and or city council.
02:02:09.42	Mayor Cox	Um,
02:02:10.70	Mayor Cox	discussion, I am going to go ahead and make a motion
02:02:15.27	Mayor Cox	Um,
02:02:16.28	Mayor Cox	that we...
02:02:17.62	Mayor Cox	remand this matter.
02:02:20.03	Mayor Cox	to
02:02:20.93	Mayor Cox	to the
02:02:22.44	Mayor Cox	Planning Commission and give the applicant an opportunity to make application for the CEP as referenced by the appellant during their presentation and, as some of you pointed out, that is actually the.
02:02:39.89	Mayor Cox	motion that the respondent is seeking and so I think both parties
02:02:45.04	Mayor Cox	would like to see this properly
02:02:48.33	Mayor Cox	Um,
02:02:49.14	Mayor Cox	heard and our staff have acknowledged that, um,
02:02:54.10	Mayor Cox	that the
02:02:56.80	Mayor Cox	Planning Commission did not initially consider the CUP for parking. I would also like to direct staff that any noticing for this project, uh, be, uh, that staff use their best faith efforts to transmit notice to owners and, uh, tenants.
02:03:19.06	Mayor Cox	Within 300 feet.
02:03:20.06	Pace Mayer	Thank you.
02:03:20.51	Pace Mayer	I can second that motion.
02:03:23.09	Mayor Cox	Thank you. And so I'm open for friendly amendments or a alternate motion or discussion.
02:03:31.35	Unknown	um,
02:03:32.41	Unknown	Madam Mayor, one of my questions to
02:03:36.32	Unknown	The applicant was, if he wanted to repeat, I think he had four items that he was going to request, I guess not remand to the Planning Commission, but referral back to the Planning Commission.
02:03:51.27	Unknown	And I had...
02:03:51.97	Mayor Cox	He had mentioned the an ordinance, but that's not something we have to do by motion. That's something staff can consider as it considers bringing this back to the Planning Commission.
02:04:04.05	Unknown	I just wondered if we wanted to have that in our, what his, his request, if we had.
02:04:08.79	Mayor Cox	Mr Rifkin did you want to step back up where the yes, I only heard two requests.
02:04:11.49	Unknown	Exactly.
02:04:16.77	Unknown	Four, yeah, I had in my notes four. But I heard four from the appellant. What'd you read? They looked like they were in your notes.
02:04:23.29	Len Rivkind	We're not the appellate, we're the applicant.
02:04:24.96	Unknown	or the applicant. I know. That's all right. I heard pecks from the appellant. I didn't know. Pardon me.
02:04:25.92	Mayor Cox	THE FAMILY.
02:04:25.97	Len Rivkind	I heard that.
02:04:26.12	Mayor Cox	THE FAMILY.
02:04:26.21	Len Rivkind	I'm not sure.
02:04:27.45	Len Rivkind	All right.
02:04:28.47	Len Rivkind	What I was talking about, about
02:04:30.20	Len Rivkind	the ordinance issue is, I'm trying to avoid years of litigation. I want this project to go forward. And so my esteemed
02:04:39.35	Len Rivkind	colleague that i hear often in these matters is telling me that she's going to challenge the you know on a writ if you approve this issue about the use of hotel on second floor and so it seems to me the best way around that is simply to amend your zoning ordinance to expressly say that i mean that's assuming the council agrees with that just happens to be of hundreds of hotel rooms on second floors all around the town. So it's not like a big stretch in my view. That's how we would like to take that issue basically off the table from something that could be litigated. In this case,
02:05:16.60	Len Rivkind	or this
02:05:17.62	Len Rivkind	all comes down to basically is the deck, the deck,
02:05:22.01	Len Rivkind	Uh,
02:05:22.84	Len Rivkind	viewing deck in our view or in the party deck in the appellant's view. And and so
02:05:29.13	Len Rivkind	We're comfortable that that that is the issue that ultimately is presented, that if they want a challenge on that, we think the council, of course, can make findings for the variants.
02:05:40.71	Len Rivkind	to approve that. So the things that I specifically want is I'd like to see a remand about the parking that we've just talked about. Some language that the council direct staff to consider an ordinance like what we're talking about. I don't know if it's appropriate at this point or how you do it, but I'd like to see something like that.
02:05:59.88	Len Rivkind	Um,
02:06:01.25	Len Rivkind	I'd like to see language from this council based upon all the testimony and information you've had that suggests direction to the planning commission on your feeling about whether or not the viewing deck is you can make findings for the variance or not.
02:06:14.39	Len Rivkind	Um,
02:06:15.57	Len Rivkind	And then lastly, we had the FAR.
02:06:17.99	Len Rivkind	you know, and...
02:06:19.54	Len Rivkind	And
02:06:20.45	Len Rivkind	Our view is that
02:06:21.90	Len Rivkind	based upon the information that you've seen that we comply with the 1.3 we're actually at 1.298 or something like that if i did the math right but we're below the 1.3 threshold and we would like to see uh direction at least either
02:06:37.60	Len Rivkind	direct I don't know procedurally whether you make the decision tonight or you're a man of the planning commission, but that based upon the evidence.
02:06:43.40	Len Rivkind	and information you've received that the FAR's requirements have been met as well. Thank you.
02:06:48.40	Mayor Cox	I think the Planning Commission already made those findings on the FAR and on the variants.
02:06:52.36	Len Rivkind	Then if you can approve that tonight, that's what we would like to see.
02:06:57.03	Mayor Cox	Okay, I do want to add to my motion a request that the Planning Commission add a condition of approval that there be 24-7 on-site management, as staff has announced was the applicant's intention.
02:07:12.91	Unknown	I see our city attorney's got his camera on. Yep. Did he need to weigh in on something?
02:07:18.65	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
02:07:18.80	Unknown	I'm sorry.
02:07:18.97	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:07:19.12	Unknown	Yes.
02:07:19.97	Pace Mayer	Yeah.
02:07:20.26	Mayor Cox	Hold on one second. Is there a second to my amendment?
02:07:20.59	Unknown	Thank you.
02:07:23.97	Pace Mayer	So I'm understanding it. This is something that the applicant has conceded.
02:07:30.41	Mayor Cox	According to staff, yes.
02:07:32.91	Pace Mayer	Is that correct?
02:07:33.42	Unknown	Yes, and I'm happy to confirm that that condition is currently written into the draft resolution attached to this agenda. We intend to keep that.
02:07:33.69	Mayor Cox	you know,
02:07:33.76	Pace Mayer	Yeah.
02:07:33.79	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:07:33.89	Pace Mayer	to the next one.
02:07:33.92	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
02:07:41.13	Hank Baker	Thanks.
02:07:42.41	Hank Baker	Okay.
02:07:42.73	Hank Baker	Okay, all right, city attorney.
02:07:45.38	Unknown	Um,
02:07:46.38	Unknown	Okay, yeah, I was going to comment on on your motion and that I think that you can remand the matter to the planning consideration to consider with some direction but I don't think that we can require at the Council to the imposition of conditions for the planning commission's
02:08:02.75	Unknown	decision.
02:08:04.37	Babette McDougall	Okay.
02:08:05.99	Babette McDougall	Okay, thank you.
02:08:06.91	Pace Mayer	If I can just add, that's certainly my view. I think we are an appellate body sitting here. We may have formed conclusions already about how we see the project based upon a lot of testimony, but we're not able to come to a conclusion until other T's have been crossed and I's have been dotted, so to speak. So I think the proper remedy right now is to remand it to the Planning Commission so they can address the various issues that have been raised at this hearing and perhaps correct if there's a problem so that when it comes back, if it does, on an appeal, we have a much cleaner record and certainly greater certainty with respect to some of the issues that have been raised both here tonight and at the previous hearing.
02:08:07.03	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
02:08:55.61	Mayor Cox	Great so the motion does not include direction I was asking for the planning Commission to consider.
02:09:01.96	Mayor Cox	adding a condition of approval
02:09:04.59	Mayor Cox	regarding the 24 seven on site management, which is an issue raised by the
02:09:09.67	Mayor Cox	and that the staff has indicated the respondent is willing to provide.
02:09:15.24	Mayor Cox	All right, any further discussion?
02:09:15.80	Melissa	Any further questions?
02:09:18.68	Melissa	Thank you.
02:09:18.90	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
02:09:18.95	Unknown	Thank you.
02:09:19.48	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:09:19.49	Unknown	Yeah, I guess I...
02:09:20.89	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:09:21.03	Hank Baker	Yes, we...
02:09:21.43	Unknown	Thank you.
02:09:21.52	Unknown	Well, I'm just wondering if you'd consider having that
02:09:24.74	Unknown	ask for direction to be separate from your primary motion because
02:09:28.23	Unknown	I support the one, but...
02:09:29.47	Unknown	not the other i understand where you're coming from there um
02:09:32.64	Unknown	and even understand that perhaps the applicant has
02:09:35.57	Unknown	Conceded that that's what he's going to do, but I was wondering if he'd be willing to separate them for your while you're thinking about I just thought I would ask the applicant a question which is.
02:09:45.41	Unknown	much like what we're just talking about with this 24 seven,
02:09:49.16	Unknown	uh,
02:09:51.22	Unknown	presence, are there other concessions that were made in the course of attempting to avoid being here in this appeal?
02:09:58.49	Unknown	that
02:09:59.72	Unknown	you made that light, you might,
02:10:02.02	Unknown	Now,
02:10:04.40	Unknown	might not be in the best interests of the project, since you weren't able to actually reach a,
02:10:10.35	Unknown	reach a agreement with the
02:10:13.76	Unknown	Appellate.
02:10:15.03	Unknown	that you might want to now change the project?
02:10:17.56	Unknown	Is there anything like that?
02:10:22.35	Unknown	There was a question for Mr. Rifkin or Mr.
02:10:25.36	Unknown	for the other person's needs.
02:10:26.69	Mayor Cox	So,
02:10:27.80	Mayor Cox	First of all,
02:10:30.23	Mayor Cox	The project...
02:10:31.55	Mayor Cox	Yeah, I've already closed the public hearing, so.
02:10:35.11	Unknown	I'm sorry. I thought we had a chance to ask the question. So I thought you said that there was a chance. So if I misunderstood that we're not allowed to answer.
02:10:40.21	Mayor Cox	I offered an opportunity to ask questions after the staff presentation.
02:10:45.47	Unknown	So there's no more question time. If that's the case, Mayor, then I'm sorry, I didn't know that we weren't allowed to ask questions.
02:10:51.14	Unknown	I will not ask the question.
02:10:51.36	Mayor Cox	I will.
02:10:52.34	Mayor Cox	I don't want to thwart your ability to ask questions, but the
02:10:57.74	Mayor Cox	The agenda clearly says staff report, then council questions, then public comments, then
02:11:02.13	Mayor Cox	motion and discussion.
02:11:04.96	Mayor Cox	amongst ourselves. So I did close the public hearing already.
02:11:09.06	Mayor Cox	Um,
02:11:09.76	Unknown	Okay, well, then I will just say that I the reason I was suggesting you might want to separate your direction around the 24 hour monitoring from your other motion, which is remaining back to the planning Commission is because I don't I understand that there is from the presentation I got the impression that there's several concessions made by the applicant to the appellate in
02:11:29.95	Unknown	in an attempt to avoid there being a continuation of the appeal.
02:11:33.01	Unknown	And so rather than the goalposts constantly being
02:11:37.33	Unknown	moved, I would rather
02:11:40.75	Unknown	They should just be.
02:11:42.32	Unknown	Consider it.
02:11:43.40	Unknown	uh,
02:11:44.26	Unknown	cleanly.
02:11:45.61	Mayor Cox	So I actually asked that the planning commission consider that condition of approval because I personally believe that site security is important, particularly for a brand new hotel restaurant. And so that's something I personally.
02:12:01.00	Mayor Cox	as a council member would like the Planning Commission to consider
02:12:04.35	Mayor Cox	And it's an issue raised by the appellant, and it sounds as though the respondent has already...
02:12:11.26	Mayor Cox	conceded that point. So I'm not inclined to shrink the requirements of the respondent simply because they didn't reach an agreement with the appellant.
02:12:26.98	Unknown	So you're combining the two things into one motion.
02:12:30.84	Mayor Cox	It's a consider. It's simply a request that they consider, not that they adopt, just that they consider.
02:12:39.12	Mayor Cox	I can't get directions.
02:12:39.34	Unknown	Can I add some other things for them to consider?
02:12:46.31	Melissa	Any other comment? Yes. I just want to thank the members of the public who came. We received a lot of comment and most of it was in favor of a robust downtown, whether or not there was full approval of the project in its current form. Everyone was excited to share the perspective and really invigorated by
02:13:06.90	Melissa	new interests in the downtown so i really appreciate all of the feedback that we receive and again we are an appellate body but i just wanted to say that it really we really did um we received numerous email correspondences prior to this meeting as well we reviewed all of those and it's great to see so much public engagement on this and i was wondering if we might be able to just given the amount of effort that the um that the applicant has put forth thus far um find a way to agendize this sooner rather than later at the planning commission i don't know what the what the future agendas look like but if there's a way we can give direction to do that i would like to see
02:13:43.98	Mayor Cox	that happen.
02:13:44.31	Melissa	Thank you.
02:13:44.41	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
02:13:44.43	Melissa	Bye.
02:13:45.02	Mayor Cox	I believe that the applicant actually has to file
02:13:47.99	Mayor Cox	an application for a cup before the planning commission can hear that application so i'm not sure it's fully within our control in terms of schedule even though we're remanding it
02:13:57.91	Mayor Cox	even though we're remanding it, we're remanding it to address issues raised by both the appellant and the respondent.
02:14:06.18	Mayor Cox	Yes, Councilmember Sobieski.
02:14:08.27	Unknown	This just points to a real problem with our code mayor.
02:14:12.02	Unknown	I mean, it's just nuts. I mean, I'm not a municipal attorney.
02:14:16.22	Unknown	I get it, but I don't understand why it is that the supreme legislative body of the city of Sausalito isn't able to
02:14:23.66	Unknown	act in a more expeditious manner.
02:14:26.55	Unknown	to help either the applicant or the appellant in this matter. And so I'm looking for a little guidance from
02:14:33.03	Unknown	my colleagues and we'll discussion about what other direction I'd be able to give the
02:14:38.06	Unknown	our city staff.
02:14:39.98	Unknown	uh,
02:14:41.40	Unknown	to solve this problem going forward.
02:14:44.17	Unknown	if not in this one instance going forward so that we don't get into this, uh,
02:14:48.25	Unknown	seemingly endless delay.
02:14:51.12	Unknown	for resolution.
02:14:51.71	Mayor Cox	Councilmember, I recommend you bring that up during future agenda items.
02:15:00.94	Mayor Cox	Councilmember Hoffman.
02:15:06.17	Unknown	I...
02:15:08.81	Unknown	I think that this process that we're going through is the appropriate process. And I too am appreciative of everybody who came forward and made their comments tonight. As always, when we have these kinds of hearings here at the city council, we appreciate everybody who comes forward. And I want to acknowledge everybody that came forward. It's not...
02:15:36.30	Unknown	an easy thing to come.
02:15:37.90	Unknown	and appear at a city council meeting, especially in person.
02:15:41.24	Unknown	And when you're talking about somebody's home, and when you're talking about big changes or perceived changes next to somebody's home, that's always something that is of concern.
02:15:52.34	Unknown	And it takes a certain amount of bravery to come down here and speak about that when that's something that's happening next to your house. And so I hope that we're all going to be.
02:16:05.66	Unknown	kind and patient with people that come down here and talk about concerns that are happening next to their home.
02:16:11.58	Unknown	And I think Pastor Mallory, who spoke
02:16:14.80	Unknown	with compassion with people in his neighborhood and the people from the Del Monte apartments that came and spoke. And I understand and I'm empathetic to the concerns that they have. And I think the developers at the end, the pocket end, that are compassionate to the people that are next to them in that neighborhood and are working to listen and are working with their neighbors to come up with a solution. I have every thought that they're going to come up with a solution for their neighbors there, and it looks to me like they're going to come up with some good solutions. So thank you for that.
02:16:56.30	Hank Baker	Thank you.
02:16:59.37	Pace Mayer	I think further.
02:17:00.49	Mayor Cox	I will go ahead and say thank you to everyone as well. And I also do want to...
02:17:05.77	Mayor Cox	I had not realized that Carlito Berg had previously visited that property and considered bringing a business there and was thwarted by the perception
02:17:15.59	Mayor Cox	of the challenges of doing business in Sausalito.
02:17:18.52	Mayor Cox	want to tell you that part of our strategic planning effort this year on January 11th included
02:17:24.48	Mayor Cox	improved customer service, faster turnaround times, and facilitating business development
02:17:33.93	Mayor Cox	in Sausalito.
02:17:35.43	Mayor Cox	Um,
02:17:36.75	Mayor Cox	I also
02:17:39.08	Mayor Cox	I feel badly that this project has had a couple of hiccups in terms of noticing, in terms of the scope of the project initially considered by the Planning Commission, and we are working to address those challenges.
02:17:57.15	Mayor Cox	Thank the applicant for their perseverance. I thank
02:18:00.81	Mayor Cox	Ms. Brekus for coming back here
02:18:03.43	Mayor Cox	to make her
02:18:04.69	Mayor Cox	presentation a second time, even though she was under the weather.
02:18:09.88	Mayor Cox	And I can tell you that the staff and the council are committed to ensuring that we dot our I's and cross our T's moving forward
02:18:19.93	Mayor Cox	to ensure that when this comes to the Planning Commission,
02:18:23.24	Mayor Cox	it is properly considered and when or if it comes back up here,
02:18:27.19	Mayor Cox	the same.
02:18:28.07	Mayor Cox	is true we are really committed to transparency one of the things we love most about our community is how involved our residents are and how much they care about what goes on in our community and so we have designed our ordinances to ensure transparency and to ensure process both at the planning commission level where they really um investigate the nuts and bolts and at the city council level where we have you know bigger picture um
02:18:57.11	Mayor Cox	perspective regarding matters that we consider. So we are doing our best and we will do better moving forward.
02:19:07.77	Mayor Cox	And I see Councilmember Sobieski has more comment.
02:19:12.06	Unknown	Yeah, I just appreciate what you had to say there. I just wanted to offer an alternate perspective because I come from the world where time equals money and you know we are later today going to see an agenda item with 10s of millions of dollars of liability and
02:19:28.43	Unknown	And we have a real need in town to strike a balance between many competing interests. So when I look around at our vacant storefronts and I hear when literally a book has been written about our
02:19:40.68	Unknown	Um,
02:19:41.57	Unknown	planning process, I am applicant, then I think there's, you know, it's an open question whether we're getting that balance straight.
02:19:49.66	Unknown	So,
02:19:51.06	Unknown	You know, I don't want to.
02:19:52.22	Unknown	open up celebrate prematurely. I think it's a great strategic goal.
02:19:56.80	Unknown	And we have to balance many competing interests, but I think we have our work cut out for us.
02:20:03.02	Mayor Cox	All right, with that, I'm going to call the question. City Clerk, will you call the roll?
02:20:08.22	City Clerk	Councilmember Blostey.
02:20:10.50	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:20:11.42	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman?
02:20:12.77	City Clerk	you
02:20:12.84	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:20:13.03	City Clerk	Thank you.
02:20:13.60	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski? Yes. Vice Mayor Woodside? Yes. And Mayor Cox?
02:20:19.54	Mayor Cox	Yes, that motion carries unanimously. We're going to go ahead and take five minutes, and then we will resume.
02:20:35.25	Mayor Cox	Okay, everybody, we are back. During the break, I had an opportunity to confer with the city manager and the agenda setting committee, and we are going to postpone from our agenda this evening.
02:20:50.90	Mayor Cox	the item 4B
02:20:53.04	Mayor Cox	the formula retail item, we will hear that
02:20:57.38	Mayor Cox	on April 1st. And so we're going to move right to
02:21:03.37	Mayor Cox	The item for seat introduction and waiver of first reading of ordinance number Oh, four to oh two five.
02:21:11.80	Mayor Cox	re-adopting Chapter 2.60 Military Equipment Use, and I will welcome our Police Chief St. Steve Gregory. Oh, yes.
02:21:17.10	City Manager	I'm...
02:21:18.00	City Manager	Mayor, if I may, so on 4B, which you're pushing to the next meeting, is there a public comment?
02:21:22.81	Mayor Cox	I am going to take public comment. Thank you, City Manager.
02:21:26.82	Mayor Cox	Is there any public comment on item 4B?
02:21:30.69	Mayor Cox	city clerk
02:21:31.89	City Clerk	You have the speaker.
02:21:35.89	Mayor Cox	So we're not going to hear it tonight, but if someone, we will hear it on April 1st. So if anybody would like to comment...
02:21:42.20	Mayor Cox	Good night. You're welcome.
02:21:43.31	Unknown	Do you want?
02:21:43.82	Mayor Cox	public comment for 4B?
02:21:46.01	Mayor Cox	Yes, we're not going to hear the item tonight, but you may still provide public comment tonight if you like.
02:21:56.89	Mayor Cox	Anybody online, city clerk?
02:22:00.27	Unknown	Will you allow public comment on April?
02:22:02.60	Mayor Cox	I absolutely will. The full agenda item will be on April 1st. We just ran late, and so...
02:22:04.35	Unknown	Okay.
02:22:09.50	Mayor Cox	Sorry about that, folks.
02:22:14.65	Mayor Cox	All right, so I see three
02:22:17.43	Mayor Cox	Absolutely.
02:22:17.57	City Clerk	Do you have some speakers online?
02:22:19.12	Mayor Cox	Okay, go ahead.
02:22:19.19	City Clerk	Thank you.
02:22:19.25	City Clerk	Okay.
02:22:20.70	City Clerk	Okay, we'll start with Eva.
02:22:24.82	Ms. Krasanth	I'm sorry, I just want to clarify it. I left during the break and it sounds like you've changed up the agenda.
02:22:33.16	Ms. Krasanth	So you've removed...
02:22:35.57	Ms. Krasanth	You have removed 4B.
02:22:37.99	Ms. Krasanth	Correct.
02:22:39.00	Ms. Krasanth	Okay.
02:22:39.99	Ms. Krasanth	Um,
02:22:41.66	Ms. Krasanth	but you will still be taking a comment on 4C, am I correct?
02:22:45.76	Ms. Krasanth	We're
02:22:45.97	Mayor Cox	about to hear that next.
02:22:47.70	Ms. Krasanth	Okay, so I would like to speak on 4C. I do not need to speak on 4B.
02:22:51.91	Mayor Cox	to speak on horrible.
02:22:53.17	Mayor Cox	Yeah.
02:22:53.26	Ms. Krasanth	It is raised. It is
02:22:54.98	Mayor Cox	raise, but because you... Raise your hand after the presentation, Ms. Krasanth.
02:22:55.60	Ms. Krasanth	Because you.
02:23:02.18	Mayor Cox	We're right now on item 4B. Anything else online, city clerk?
02:23:05.95	City Clerk	Yeah, Lorette Rogers.
02:23:15.25	City Clerk	All right, and we can unmute yourself.
02:23:21.54	Lorette Rogers	Hi, Lorette Rogers. My husband, Mike, and I have been part of Sausalito for a long time. I'm fourth generation Renite, and both of our grandfathers worked on Marinship. And by the way, in the 1940s, my mother worked as a teller in the bank, just discussed. So that's kind of fun.
02:23:37.70	Mayor Cox	of fun.
02:23:38.51	Mayor Cox	Did you hear our announcement that we're going to hear 4B on April 1st and not tonight? I'll be on vacation.
02:23:45.47	Lorette Rogers	Thank you.
02:23:45.60	Lorette Rogers	Okay.
02:23:45.72	Mayor Cox	Okay.
02:23:45.99	Lorette Rogers	Thank you.
02:23:46.18	Lorette Rogers	Can I have a little more time? I just need to do that.
02:23:48.29	Mayor Cox	I absolutely take your comment. Go ahead.
02:23:50.68	Lorette Rogers	Thank you.
02:23:51.29	Mayor Cox	so as you heard
02:23:51.48	Lorette Rogers	So as you heard, we're old timers. We're residents of Spring Valley. My husband's family has been there for 100 years. As old timers, we are alarmed at the move to take the CN1 area of Spring Valley and combine it with two other CN areas. Don't understand why this is happening. we ask please let us nearby residents have a say as to what formula retail is going in close to our homes. I watched this past Saturday morning before 7 a.m. a large delivery truck pulled into a lot between a business and our cousin's house to offload supplies and I just wondered about our cousin sleeping about 20 feet away from that truck, 20 feet away from the man with the forklift. I mean, it's a trade-off.
02:24:38.35	Lorette Rogers	but it's one that highlights how important it is to think about retail placement very carefully because the placements of these formula retail operations can have big consequences for us nearby neighbors. We must have a say as to what comes into our little neighborhoods close to our homes. So first, please don't combine the three commercial neighborhood areas. Please don't do that. Retain the existing CN1 zoning for Spring and Easterby streets.
02:25:06.26	Lorette Rogers	And second, please don't eliminate the planning commission process from the formula retail permit process
02:25:14.67	Lorette Rogers	Once a formula retail business goes in, it will be there forever.
02:25:18.87	Lorette Rogers	And please let those of us who live right there a place at the table.
02:25:23.44	Lorette Rogers	Proceed very carefully.
02:25:25.55	Lorette Rogers	Is the formula retailer the best operator for Sausalito? And is the retail store in keeping with the character of the neighborhood? We're all worried that the formula retail stores will all end up in one place. And thoughtless formula retail development could bring inappropriate congestion, traffic, noise, and garbage. So let's take the time and let's work together and be sure we get it right.
02:25:51.34	Lorette Rogers	So in short, please keep the CN area separate, spring and Easter.
02:25:56.62	Mayor Cox	Thank you very much. Anyone else? City Clerk?
02:25:58.73	City Clerk	No further public speakers?
02:26:00.38	Mayor Cox	Okay, so then we'll move on to item 4C.
02:26:04.96	Mayor Cox	Oh, so I asked anybody in the audience who still wanted to speak, Ms. McDougall, to...
02:26:13.76	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
02:26:16.42	Mayor Cox	you
02:26:16.45	Babette McDougall	Yes, of course.
02:26:21.44	Babette McDougall	Thank you for allowing some public comment, even though you have brought this back on for the 1st of April, because I just, in my last public comment on this very item, I asked about the fairness between locally sourced places, the smallness of locally sourced food that we all are paying.
02:26:38.88	Babette McDougall	privilege to enjoy versus a formula retail. And just what this lady described as one other side effect of formula retail. So I have to urge this very cautious approach. I know there's desperation to try to fill the place up with ka-ching.
02:26:56.56	Babette McDougall	But this idea that any old idea is a great idea
02:27:00.68	Babette McDougall	because it isn't here for a reason.
02:27:03.07	Babette McDougall	So we have to really balance this out.
02:27:06.48	Babette McDougall	And I agree that maybe some formula retail can be good. But you know, I think back immediately to Mike Stone.
02:27:13.25	Babette McDougall	When Costco opened in Novato, he said, they will be the death of us. They will be the death of my store.
02:27:20.54	Babette McDougall	And I thought at the time, oh, come on, all the way up there in Nevada?
02:27:24.17	Babette McDougall	And now it turns out they've got these hyper-growth models and they're opening stores all over the Bay Area.
02:27:29.33	Babette McDougall	So maybe he's right.
02:27:30.95	Babette McDougall	So it's a time for us to balance the old with the new, the big with the small.
02:27:36.64	Babette McDougall	This is a village after all.
02:27:38.31	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
02:27:40.52	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
02:27:41.62	Mayor Cox	okay we're going to close item 4b and move on to item 4c and welcome our police chief stacy gregory
02:27:50.26	Unknown	Good evening, Mayor and Council members. Lieutenant Brandon Rogers was scheduled to do this presentation tonight. So in his place is Sergeant Nick White to do the military equipment use presentation.
02:28:04.03	Unknown	Welcome, Sergeant.
02:28:05.93	Nick White	Madam Mayor, City Council, Chief Gregory, thank you. I'm Sergeant Nick White. I'm filling in for Brandon Rogers. This is the 2024 Annual Military Equipment Use Report. Per Government Code Section 7071, City Council shall annually review our military equipment use policy and approve any funding acquisition and use of this equipment and vote on readopting the policy yearly. Per Assassin's Creed Municipal Code 2.60 and Government Code Section 7072, Saucy Ludo PD shall submit to the council every year an annual report on this equipment, which is this presentation right now.
02:28:43.06	Nick White	Next slide, please.
02:28:46.50	Nick White	Summary of our currently owned military equipment. We have one Colt AR-15 SRD 556 rifle and an associated one SRD 556 rifle suppressor. This is a single item. It is a fully automatic rifle that was purchased a number of years ago for an officer assigned to a regional SWAT team. As part of that SWAT team membership, we're required to provide a fully automatic rifle. And that currently sits in storage as we have nobody currently assigned to that team. But we maintain it in the day that we may get someone back on that regional SWAT team. We also have six Remington 870 less lethal shotguns and 240 associated bean bag munition rounds. This is a less than lethal device. It's in all of our patrol cars. It is a ranged impact device user in critical incidents. Next slide.
02:29:36.18	Nick White	None of the equipment that I just talked about was used in 2024 in the line of duty. Next slide.
02:29:42.59	Nick White	In May and August of last year, on each of those dates, we used 30 of the bean bag around munitions during training and qualification for in-service personnel. Next slide.
02:29:56.74	Nick White	The 60 beanbag rounds used during training and qualification cost a total of $375. There are no other costs associated to the training and use of those items. And no other equipment was purchased in 2024. And the source of the money was the general fund.
02:30:12.53	Nick White	We've received no complaints or concerns addressed to Sausalito PD. Per our equipment use policy, we do have a policy in place where we have an email dedicated to complaints and a policy and procedure in place where we're voicing concerns about our policy, all listed in our public manual.
02:30:29.30	Nick White	We conducted one internal audit for verifying the use of the munition rounds and to verify our stock and inventory. No violations were discovered during the audit. Next slide.
02:30:41.40	Nick White	This is the biggest part of the presentation. We're actually requesting an acquisition of new equipment. And these items are known as Defense Technology 40-millimeter LMT tactical shot launchers with required munitions, accessories, and training. The approximate total cost of three launchers and associated training is approximately $7,748. This is intended to be purchased next fiscal year. These devices are Slowly but also taking over the role of the 870 Remington beanbag shotgun Their intended use is a ranged impact incapacitating device In short, it shoots a larger gauge projectile than the beanbag. Getting ahead of ourselves here, we would never intend to use this during any kind of riot, protest event. It's simply used during a critical incident would be the intended use.
02:31:34.32	Nick White	Um,
02:31:35.35	Nick White	We're also requesting to have the replenishment of the 60 beanbag shotgun rounds at a cost of $375. Next slide. And questions or comments?
02:31:44.70	Mayor Cox	you
02:31:46.57	Mayor Cox	The replacement for the beanbags, is that still non-lethal? It is.
02:31:54.83	Ms. Krasanth	Questions?
02:31:56.50	Pace Mayer	How does this compare to other jurisdictions in the area?
02:32:00.02	Nick White	Thank you for asking. I did conduct a brief survey around Marin County. I found that Fairfax Police do not use the 40 millimeter. The Marin County Sheriff's Office does not use the 40 millimeter. St. Rafael PD does use the 40 millimeter. They have it in addition to their 870 Remington beanbag shotguns. They have three to four that are available for their use during patrol. Central Marin Police Authority does use the 40 millimeter launchers, also supplanting and augmenting their 870 Remingtons. Novato PD does also use the 40 millimeter, and they have fully replaced the beanbag shotgun with this device. So they no longer use the shotguns at all. They've removed all the way to going to 40 millimeter. And outside of our jurisdiction, San Francisco PD also uses these, and they're assigned to what's known as specialist trained officers or SWAT team members.
02:32:52.81	Pace Mayer	Thank you.
02:32:55.00	Mayor Cox	Any other questions?
02:32:57.21	Mayor Cox	Okay, I'll open it up for public comment.
02:33:00.79	City Clerk	E-book croissants.
02:33:14.90	Ms. Krasanth	Thank you for finally unmuting me. I want to point out that the person giving this presentation
02:33:28.30	City Clerk	He's online.
02:33:32.11	Ms. Krasanth	And I also want to point out that there's a section on this. I'm sorry, excuse me. I'm speaking right now. Yeah, we could not hear you. I'm okay.
02:33:32.14	City Clerk	And I also want to point out that there's a section
02:33:38.62	Mayor Cox	I'm letting you know that your voice became muted after you said the person making this presentation.
02:33:45.68	Ms. Krasanth	Okay.
02:33:46.00	Mayor Cox	right?
02:33:46.03	Ms. Krasanth	Let's restart the clock. Can you hear me now?
02:33:46.27	Mayor Cox	Let's restart the clock.
02:33:49.75	Ms. Krasanth	We hear you now. Please, 150. Excellent.
02:33:51.26	Mayor Cox	everything.
02:33:52.61	Ms. Krasanth	The person making this, and I would like to reclaim my time, the person making this presentation, Nick White, has a very checkered history. He had to go to court. Charlie Drezzo had to represent the poor schoolteacher whom he falsely accused of assaulting him. He is also involved in the unlawful and violent removal of myself from the candidate forum.
02:34:19.07	Ms. Krasanth	in September.
02:34:21.67	Ms. Krasanth	Okay, Ms. Crizon. Excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm speaking right now. Do not interrupt me.
02:34:22.38	Mayor Cox	Excuse me.
02:34:24.96	Mayor Cox	And I interrupt me a point of order.
02:34:26.92	Ms. Krasanth	Thank you.
02:34:26.94	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
02:34:27.31	Mayor Cox	Your comments are outside the scope of this item. I ask you to confine your comments to an ordinance readopting military equipment use policy.
02:34:43.95	Ms. Krasanth	You need to stop interrupting me so I can finish my comment.
02:34:48.81	Ms. Krasanth	On the section,
02:34:51.17	Ms. Krasanth	of this report about the police complaint, what you were not indicating is that the police complaint forms are themselves dysfunctional. There are multiple problems with that.
02:35:08.60	Ms. Krasanth	But also, your city attorney sent me an outdated police complaint form. I asked for a paper version. He sent me one, even though Stacey Gregory was already the chief, he sent me a complaint form that lists John Rohrabacher. Now, I do want to point out that it is relevant that the police
02:35:28.82	Ms. Krasanth	A staff sergeant who just gave this report was involved in an illegal, an unlawful, and an improper and violent removal of myself when I was simply very civilly raising the issue of war costs at the candidate forum. And I have repeatedly requested an apology from those involved, and I have received none. Thank you.
02:35:56.71	Mayor Cox	Any other public comment?
02:35:58.75	Mayor Cox	I'm not sure.
02:35:58.79	City Clerk	Thank you.
02:35:58.82	Mayor Cox	THE FAMILY.
02:35:58.87	City Clerk	I'm not sure.
02:35:59.08	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
02:35:59.31	City Clerk	See you in the next.
02:36:00.48	Mayor Cox	All right, I'm going to close public comment, bring it up here for motion and discussion. I move that we introduce by title only and waive first reading of Ordinance No. 04-2025, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito, re-adopting Sausalito Municipal Code Chapter 2.60, Military Equipment Use Policy. Second.
02:36:24.32	Mayor Cox	I have a motion and a second is their discussion.
02:36:28.40	Mayor Cox	Seeing none, I'll ask for a roll call vote, please.
02:36:33.58	Unknown	you
02:36:33.87	City Clerk	Can I tell my last thing?
02:36:35.10	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:36:36.27	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman.
02:36:37.67	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:36:38.46	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski.
02:36:39.76	City Clerk	Yeah.
02:36:39.86	Mayor Cox	that.
02:36:39.96	City Clerk	Vice Mayor Woodside Mayor Cox
02:36:43.39	Mayor Cox	Yes, that motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. We'll move smartly on to item 4D, ratify adoption of resolution to form utility undergrounding district taken by city council on March 7, 2025. This was continued from March 4, 2025. We then noticed a special meeting
02:37:07.72	Mayor Cox	properly noticed it for March 18, 2025, during which we held a public hearing and adopted a resolution to establish an underground utility district on Bridgeway Boulevard between Napa Street and Easterby Avenue. I am now seeking ratification of that resolution. That constitutes the staff report unless staff has anything else. I didn't see you behind the city manager
02:37:36.51	Mayor Cox	Director McGowan, that's why I went ahead and
02:37:37.17	City Clerk	and then I was like,
02:37:38.81	Mayor Cox	did this off the top of my head. Any public comment?
02:37:43.61	City Clerk	Seeing none.
02:37:44.69	Mayor Cox	I will close the public hearing and make a motion that we ratify the adoption of a resolution to establish an underground utility district on Bridgeway Boulevard between Napa Street and Easterby Avenue, as shown on Exhibit A.
02:38:00.41	Pace Mayer	Second.
02:38:02.95	Mayor Cox	Any discussion? All right. City clerk.
02:38:06.99	City Clerk	Councilmember Blaustein.
02:38:08.35	City Clerk	Thank you.
02:38:08.41	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:38:08.67	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman
02:38:10.55	City Clerk	Thank you.
02:38:10.60	Mayor Cox	Yes.
02:38:11.48	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski.
02:38:13.28	City Clerk	Thank you.
02:38:13.33	Mayor Cox	Yeah.
02:38:13.45	City Clerk	Yes.
02:38:13.94	City Clerk	Thank you.
02:38:14.19	City Clerk	Vice Mayor Woodside. Yes. And Mayor Cox.
02:38:16.94	Mayor Cox	Yes. Okay. That concludes our...
02:38:22.11	Mayor Cox	public hearing items, we will now move on to our business item, which is 5A, discussion and provide direction regarding infrastructure priorities related to the Bureau Veritas technical assessments for the City of Sausalito facility assessment study. We will welcome our Public Works Director, Kevin McGowan.
02:38:39.96	Kevin McGowan	Thank you very much. I appreciate it, Mayor and City Council members. We have Ali Iqbal, who is our project manager, who will kind of be helping us with this introduction. So, Ali, off to you.
02:38:58.05	Ali Iqbal	Thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council members. My name's Ali Iqbal. I'm a project manager here at the city of Sausalito. I'm here because the city council tasked DPW with finding which properties we own, their conditions, and how much it costs to fix them. Bureau Veritas has provided individual reports for each of these assessed properties, which wasn't limited to buildings.
02:39:23.45	Ali Iqbal	Other types of infrastructures that were included in the assessment were items such as tourney street boat launch and all five parking lots.
02:39:33.08	Ali Iqbal	inevitably questions still remain, especially for the lease properties.
02:39:38.40	Ali Iqbal	Who's responsible for these fixes? Is it the city?
02:39:41.27	Ali Iqbal	Is it the tenants?
02:39:42.97	Ali Iqbal	And what are the leases say about maintenance and repairs?
02:39:46.94	Ali Iqbal	Arriving just this afternoon from the bright lights of Las Vegas is Mary
02:39:51.80	Ali Iqbal	Venable.
02:39:53.84	Ali Iqbal	She's a project manager at Bureau Veritas and is here to present her findings. Mary, the floor is yours.
02:39:59.38	Melissa	Yeah.
02:40:01.43	Melissa	It's a fun intro.
02:40:07.68	Mary Venable	Hello.
02:40:07.71	Unknown	Hello.
02:40:08.00	Unknown	you
02:40:08.07	Mary Venable	Thank you.
02:40:09.01	Mary Venable	Mayor Cox, Mr. Vice Mayor and counsel, thank you for having me.
02:40:10.29	Unknown	Welcome.
02:40:14.76	Mary Venable	I was the project manager for the assessment of your facilities.
02:40:19.96	Mary Venable	And I wanted to go through and made a little presentation to tell you about Bureau Veritas, the process that we used, and a little about our findings. Next slide, please.
02:40:32.35	Mary Venable	Just to tell you about Bureau Veritas, we do all kinds of assessments and reports for building owners, facility owners from acquisition to disposition, and primarily we help you...
02:40:49.81	Mary Venable	with the management of your facilities that you maintain and the
02:40:57.10	Mary Venable	Um,
02:40:58.32	Mary Venable	the ongoing management of those facilities.
02:41:01.96	Mary Venable	OK, next slide, please.
02:41:04.55	Mary Venable	We're a national company.
02:41:06.54	Mary Venable	as you can see.
02:41:07.97	Mary Venable	The 37 years is my division that I work in. It's called the Asset Management Division. We've been doing these kind of assessments for a long time. Next slide, please.
02:41:21.44	Mary Venable	just to show you that we've worked with many, many of your neighboring communities. Next slide, please.
02:41:29.44	Mary Venable	All right. Next slide, please.
02:41:34.99	Mary Venable	All right, so our goal here was to look at the current condition of your facilities. As you know, we looked at buildings and the Excelsior stairs and several of the piers. Look at any deficiencies there are, what kind of costs we expect you'll incur in the next 20 years in keeping up these facilities and any priorities that we can identify. Next slide, please.
02:42:07.59	Mary Venable	Okay, next slide.
02:42:09.94	Mary Venable	Our process is basically a four-step process. First of all, we met with staff and requested questionnaires because what we do is a visual assessment. Sometimes there are things that you can't see, for instance, if heating and cooling in a building is inadequate.
02:42:30.31	Mary Venable	Uh, so we, uh,
02:42:31.81	Mary Venable	We look at the questionnaires and any documents that are available for the facilities.
02:42:37.80	Mary Venable	We come on site, which we had two assessors
02:42:41.80	Mary Venable	come to your city in the past few months and look at this building and many others and pretty much every aspect of the building and the grounds. We prepared a draft report and spoke with staff about that.
02:42:57.32	Mary Venable	received comments. And now our final stage is to deliver our findings to you, which includes this presentation and our asset count database, which I want to talk to you about in a little bit of detail, because this is a very cool thing.
02:43:14.16	Mary Venable	Next slide, please.
02:43:16.83	Mary Venable	Uh,
02:43:17.98	Mary Venable	Thank you.
02:43:18.28	Mary Venable	So AssetCalc is the name of our database and our app.
02:43:24.19	Mary Venable	Um,
02:43:25.82	Mary Venable	the fundamentally it's a collection of thousands of building items this includes prices for those things and expected useful life and so when our assessors come on site they're able to they bring an ipad and it's directly connected to that database and so um
02:43:48.22	Mary Venable	The assessor can take a very detailed record of each capital item that they see. And in addition, we take photos of...
02:43:57.50	Mary Venable	Um,
02:43:58.61	Mary Venable	We estimate the age, or if we know the actual age, we enter it. We enter the condition and the expected remaining life of that asset. And, of course, the cost then, the typical cost for that item is recorded. So all of these things were recorded for each item as we come on site.
02:44:20.51	Mary Venable	And
02:44:21.41	Mary Venable	These items include doors, paint, flooring, roofing, everything that is associated with a facility that will be replaced one of these days. Next slide, please.
02:44:34.37	Mary Venable	So this is an attachment you have. This is a summary of the 20-year expected costs of maintaining each of those facilities that you see on the left-hand column. Next slide, please.
02:44:51.73	Mary Venable	And I should mention that, so of course, we have a detailed list for every facility that has every item on it. So that was a summary that you just saw.
02:45:04.54	Mary Venable	The facility condition index, is that something y'all are familiar with?
02:45:09.32	Mary Venable	Okay, so I don't want to bore you.
02:45:13.92	Mary Venable	But...
02:45:14.87	Mary Venable	And it's a numeric way of assessing the conditions
02:45:18.99	Mary Venable	condition of a building either now
02:45:21.43	Mary Venable	or in some future period.
02:45:24.84	Mary Venable	And basically, it's a ratio of how much do you need to spend to keep the building or the facility running right now versus what it would take to replace that facility. And take note of the color coding, please. Next slide, please.
02:45:42.34	Unknown	you
02:45:44.91	Mary Venable	Is that the next slide?
02:45:47.56	Mary Venable	There we go. All righty.
02:45:49.45	Mary Venable	So this facility condition index applies primarily to buildings, not to the piers and the stairs, because it's based on a replacement cost for a building per square foot.
02:46:02.42	Mary Venable	But as you see here, over a 10-year period, assuming that nothing is done to buildings and no money is spent to replace things that need replacements,
02:46:14.35	Mary Venable	You see that a couple of them get into pink, which is...
02:46:20.36	Mary Venable	which is poor condition.
02:46:22.76	Mary Venable	And I'd like to point out just a couple of them.
02:46:25.96	Mary Venable	Um,
02:46:26.98	Mary Venable	Fire Station 2, I think, speaks for itself. Let's see. The MLK campus is, as you know, very old.
02:46:39.60	Mary Venable	And a lot of that cost that you see accumulating over 10 years is finishes. But there's also roofing in there.
02:46:47.99	Mary Venable	And skylights, as you know, there are extensive skylights at that campus.
02:46:54.50	Mary Venable	And I do want to point out the Marinship Park. That one looks high. It's misleading because there are park costs bundled into that, park facilities.
02:47:08.94	Mary Venable	And then you can't look at that with just the square footage of a building, square footage cost of the building.
02:47:14.72	Mary Venable	So that was a little misleading. It's not in that poor condition.
02:47:19.20	Mary Venable	Next slide, please.
02:47:22.43	Mary Venable	All right, next slide, please.
02:47:25.72	Mary Venable	All right. So you have this in your packet. It's, of course, pretty small to look at up here. But those are the costs in five-year chunks and the current year. Next slide, please.
02:47:41.26	Mary Venable	This is just a graphic to show you
02:47:44.43	Mary Venable	orders of magnitude of cost. Now, the first item is assuming that you actually want to rebuild that pier, which there's basically no pier there right now, just mostly pilings.
02:48:01.16	Mary Venable	Next slide, please.
02:48:03.70	Mary Venable	And this is another just order of magnitude, just for purposes of seeing what some of the relative costs will be between the facilities. Next slide, please.
02:48:16.83	Mary Venable	All right, next slide.
02:48:19.42	Mary Venable	All righty. So another tool that we have, see,
02:48:24.31	Mary Venable	there's a lot of data that we collected
02:48:27.14	Mary Venable	And you have to look at it in certain ways.
02:48:30.06	Mary Venable	that will be helpful to you in making decisions as to where to put your money.
02:48:35.38	Mary Venable	The priority score is a formula that is included in our database, which, by the way, we turn over to you. All of our findings, we have turned over to you.
02:48:48.31	Mary Venable	to the public works so that you have the use of all of that. Every piece of data we've collected, every photo, is there for your use.
02:49:00.67	Mary Venable	You see there's the raw score in that column.
02:49:05.48	Mary Venable	Um,
02:49:06.67	Mary Venable	So when you look at these, you see it's 80 point something something. Really, the important part of this is the 80 before the decimal point. The way we prioritize things is that if there's a safety issue, that's top priority. And those things are weighted in this report so that the safety items come to the top.
02:49:34.75	Mary Venable	And I had some notes for myself. The next priority that you'll see some things in the, with a score of 71 point something something, that's generally things on a building or a site that are in poor condition already and already should be replaced. Next priority is accessibility items, which there were a few.
02:50:01.73	Mary Venable	after that come things like environmental issues. Like there, I did see that there's some,
02:50:10.17	Mary Venable	vital asbestos tile somewhere. I forget which building it's in, but yeah, that's an environmental issue. Or there are things that are just outlived their estimated useful life. There are some of those. And then there are other things that are just fine. They're within their estimated useful life. They don't need to be replaced right now. And so those are weighted the lowest priority.
02:50:12.11	Unknown	where.
02:50:38.40	Mary Venable	So that list is a tool just to help you. Now, if you look at it, you see things like protruding nails. It's up at the top.
02:50:46.77	Mary Venable	they're not exactly the high-cost items. That thing is pretty easy to fix by sending a guy out with a hammer.
02:50:55.46	Mary Venable	But they're all safety items. And, you know, you could look at them.
02:51:00.64	Mary Venable	and see which ones really are an issue.
02:51:03.56	Mary Venable	Um,
02:51:04.50	Mary Venable	The data is the data, but
02:51:06.82	Mary Venable	the interpretation
02:51:08.35	Mary Venable	is, uh,
02:51:09.40	Mary Venable	is something that's up to you.
02:51:11.54	Mary Venable	you and what's going to be
02:51:13.28	Mary Venable	important to the city.
02:51:15.44	Mary Venable	Next slide, please.
02:51:18.09	Mary Venable	And just to give you an idea, just for an example, I wanted to show you a couple of things that we put into our report for this building.
02:51:26.17	Mary Venable	Next slide, please.
02:51:28.43	Mary Venable	So there's our facility condition index. It's not bad. So that 10 year cost going into your 16%
02:51:38.32	Mary Venable	Um,
02:51:39.13	Mary Venable	That's not bad. That's assuming that you don't put any money into this building for 10 years.
02:51:45.32	Mary Venable	Next slide, please.
02:51:47.94	Mary Venable	Um,
02:51:48.55	Mary Venable	I want to explain this a little bit.
02:51:51.13	Mary Venable	This chart appears in every building report.
02:51:55.62	Mary Venable	And the red line that you see that corresponds to the vertical index on the left, you see facility condition index.
02:52:08.44	Mary Venable	um,
02:52:09.17	Mary Venable	That shows what happens with your FCI if you do nothing to a building.
02:52:14.48	Mary Venable	the
02:52:16.37	Mary Venable	Blue bars represent
02:52:18.97	Mary Venable	expenditures for that year. The gray bars represent carryover if no money is spent.
02:52:27.59	Mary Venable	And that shows you what happens.
02:52:30.63	Mary Venable	to the perceived condition of the building.
02:52:33.70	Mary Venable	if you do nothing for 10 years. Of course, if you do spend money within that time,
02:52:40.20	Mary Venable	the facility index is lower and you have a better building. I will notice, I will point out that you'll notice like in 2029,
02:52:53.28	Mary Venable	There's a...
02:52:54.49	Mary Venable	There's a...
02:52:55.46	Mary Venable	Tall blue bar.
02:52:57.36	Mary Venable	Um,
02:52:58.83	Mary Venable	What that represents is interior paint for major expenditures, interior paint, plumbing systems, because we assume a plumbing system should last about 40 years. It can last longer. It can last less. But...
02:53:14.05	Mary Venable	You have to have some kind of point for planning.
02:53:18.47	Mary Venable	HVAC, hydronic piping, duct work. So there's some major expenses that we anticipate in 2029.
02:53:30.27	Mary Venable	Next slide, please.
02:53:34.22	Mary Venable	Part of the report you'll see is labeled the key findings. And it's just an outline of the top dozen or so items in each building.
02:53:45.68	Mary Venable	And this is more like you may be looking at a report
02:53:50.18	Mary Venable	on paper or PDF, but you may not be delving into the software, as the public works people will.
02:53:57.66	Mary Venable	But this gives you the idea of the things that we found that need the most attention at each facility. Next slide, please.
02:54:08.22	Mary Venable	Okay, and that's just the second page of this. Next slide, please.
02:54:14.35	Mary Venable	I think this is my final graphic.
02:54:17.00	Mary Venable	Um,
02:54:18.43	Mary Venable	This just gives you an idea of what kind of expenditures each facility is going to need. And as you see, about 11% is stuff that's old, past his life or not. Actually, that's not right. Not past his life, but basically failed or poor. The darker gray is items that are past their nominal life, but they're still okay. So we call that age but functional. They are still fine, but they could go at any time.
02:54:51.93	Mary Venable	And then everything else is just typical expenditures that you would have over 20 years as something ages out.
02:55:00.92	Mary Venable	Okay, I believe that's my last slide. Can you please switch it? Yes.
02:55:06.22	Mary Venable	Hey.
02:55:09.93	Kevin McGowan	So quickly before we get into questions and comments, I kind of wanted to step back from some of the detail that is in the report and what was brought up by Mary. And their report takes into account over, I think in our staff report it said 32 buildings. That's actually 31. One is a catch-all for MLK campus, and there really was no cost to it, so my apologies.
02:55:34.59	Kevin McGowan	And then in a...
02:55:36.19	Kevin McGowan	If you look at some of the summaries.
02:55:38.15	Kevin McGowan	their summaries over time.
02:55:40.51	Kevin McGowan	have a 3% increase per year. So if they would have estimated something in this current fiscal year, they escalate that over 20 years with a 3% increase each year for inflation. So that's why some of the costs will go up over time. And in the end, when you look at all the numbers together, the estimate is $53 million over a 20-year period. That's a huge number that does not include design,
02:56:05.94	Kevin McGowan	include construction management or contingency. That is simply their estimate of a cost for improvements. Now, diving into some of the detail, because we here in Public Works, we kind of separate things out a little bit into the scale of each project as well. So each fiscal year, they've laid out a whole bunch of tasks for, it could be small things like painting this building, not this building, but let's say this room. So that's a small task. We wouldn't want to include that in the capital improvement program. We'd want to do that either ourselves or just hire a contractor to come in and do it. So the reason I mention this is I'm in the process of developing the CIP for the next fiscal year. And identifying the larger projects that need to go into the CIP would be important at this point. So I've segregated a lot of those out. One of the things that we might need your council's discussion about is how do we deal with not just the big projects, but we also how do we deal with the small ones as well, because there are a lot of them.
02:57:06.79	Kevin McGowan	So even though there might be a whole bunch of little painting projects all over the place, when you add them all up, they become $150,000 over a year.
02:57:14.93	Kevin McGowan	How do we address those?
02:57:16.66	Kevin McGowan	In addition, some of the bigger projects, we still have a bit of research on our hands from Public Works to get into the leases to find out who's responsible for doing what. I think Ali kind of mentioned that quickly. And we still need to dive in a little deeper with our...
02:57:33.73	Kevin McGowan	let's see, property managers, new property managers, to find out, okay, what do the leases say? Who is responsible for
02:57:41.42	Kevin McGowan	let's say changing out the HVAC system on the Spinnaker building, something like that. So we have a little bit more work on our hands to deal with that. But with that, I'd like to turn it back over to the council and say, thank you very much. And Mary is here for questions. You can tell from her, from her,
02:57:58.90	Kevin McGowan	her presentation that there's a lot of things that can come up in the program itself to give you some ideas of how long these facilities last. That is good for us to take a look at when you step back. It takes a little while to understand what the program does. And for myself, it took a little while to get into it, but everything's there for me. I know I can get into it. It just takes a little effort to find all the pictures and all the details. So many thanks. Sorry that took us a little time this evening, but we're here for questions and comments.
02:58:30.22	Kevin McGowan	I'm going to lead off.
02:58:31.69	Mayor Cox	Thank you very much, Director McGowan, for your staff report and for the very thorough presentation. I had a couple of questions from the staff report and from the PowerPoint presentation.
02:58:44.67	Mayor Cox	On page four of the staff report, it talks about spending 3.86 million just for construction over the next two years,
02:58:51.55	Mayor Cox	And that's addressing the projects that you list in attachments three and four for fiscal year 2025 and fiscal year 2026.
02:59:01.29	Mayor Cox	But then on page five, it says that the estimated construction cost for
02:59:07.82	Mayor Cox	Fiscal year 2526 for projects estimated to exceed 35,000.
02:59:12.70	Mayor Cox	is 3.28 million.
02:59:15.06	Mayor Cox	So,
02:59:15.92	Mayor Cox	Do the projects exceeding 25,000, are they included in the 3.86 million to be spent over the next two years?
02:59:24.59	Kevin McGowan	Good question. I've got to take a closer look at that. That sounds a little bit too high for two years of minor projects, less than $35,000.
02:59:34.04	Mayor Cox	Oh, more than 35.
02:59:35.33	Mayor Cox	Less than 35, you say, is $581,000 over the next two years, and you recommend perhaps hiring an outside firm to address those because you don't have the staff. I'm talking about larger projects, more than $35,000,
02:59:49.94	Mayor Cox	that you said could be included in the capital improvement program.
02:59:53.69	Unknown	Yes.
02:59:54.09	Mayor Cox	You estimate those at 3.28 million on page 5.
02:59:58.09	Mayor Cox	But on.
02:59:59.36	Mayor Cox	Karen Hollweg, Page for you save the city proceeds with addressing the two project, the projects recommended over the next two years, a total of 3.86 million will be needed just for the construction. Karen Hollweg, To reconcile those two.
03:00:08.49	Branka Papovich	Thank you.
03:00:08.52	Kevin McGowan	I'm trying to.
03:00:12.32	Mayor Cox	numbers.
03:00:12.97	Kevin McGowan	Yes, give me a couple minutes to stare at it. I will get back to that question. Thank you.
03:00:17.36	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:00:18.09	Mayor Cox	Um,
03:00:19.71	Mayor Cox	Then your staff report mentions that the Saucido Yacht Club did not allow access into their interior of their facility, but are they not a city-owned facility? Yes.
03:00:30.31	Kevin McGowan	It's my understanding from them that we own the property. We don't own the building.
03:00:38.34	Unknown	Sorry, the city owns the land. Yacht Club owns the building.
03:00:38.49	Hank Baker	Yeah.
03:00:42.89	Unknown	Yes.
03:00:43.47	Kevin McGowan	That's my understanding. Now, I haven't stared at the least to know that or not. I don't know.
03:00:47.42	Unknown	Thank you.
03:00:47.48	Mayor Cox	So.
03:00:47.72	Unknown	Professor.
03:00:47.97	Jody Moore	Sure enough.
03:00:48.23	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:00:48.26	Unknown	Thank you.
03:00:48.33	Kevin McGowan	Thank you.
03:00:48.63	Mayor Cox	Okay.
03:00:49.91	Mayor Cox	All right, my next questions had to do with the presentation.
03:00:54.82	Mayor Cox	um
03:00:56.58	Mayor Cox	It was interesting.
03:00:58.94	Mayor Cox	Um,
03:01:00.49	Mayor Cox	There's a slide called 20-year replacement costs. But when you were going over this in your, and again, thank you and welcome. Thank you. Thank you for being here. When you were going through the slides, you called it maintenance costs.
03:01:15.93	Mayor Cox	Ah, missed an over. But the slide says 20-year replacement costs, attachment one.
03:01:16.98	Elina Franklin	I missed the number.
03:01:22.13	Mary Venable	Thank you for pointing that out. It should say, properly termed capital replacements. Capital replacements. Not routine maintenance.
03:01:32.67	Mayor Cox	Okay, so I have a question. So I'm just going to use one facility as an example. The second
03:01:38.82	Mayor Cox	facility on there is the Bridgeway Public
03:01:42.34	Mayor Cox	Lick restroom which was built in 2016 I remember it fondly because my dear departed friend designed it.
03:01:48.77	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:01:49.19	Mayor Cox	um,
03:01:50.27	Mayor Cox	On your FCI by Facilities,
03:01:53.95	Mayor Cox	You list the current replacement value at $125,000.
03:01:59.78	Mayor Cox	But...
03:02:01.30	Mayor Cox	in the 20 year replacement costs for the
03:02:08.55	Mayor Cox	calendar year 2034, when that facility will be just 18 years old, you list a replacement cost of $909,140.
03:02:21.66	Mayor Cox	And so I do not understand how those numbers reconcile with one another. Oh, okay. We certainly, that is not a million-dollar restroom. Oh.
03:02:28.80	Mayor Cox	It is not adorned in gold.
03:02:31.18	Mayor Cox	So.
03:02:31.40	Mary Venable	Yes.
03:02:31.84	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:02:32.18	Mayor Cox	All right.
03:02:33.64	Mayor Cox	Yeah.
03:02:33.90	Mary Venable	Thank you.
03:02:39.18	Mayor Cox	Oh, maybe I'm just, okay. So I used a magnifying glass to read this, so that may well, I can't wait.
03:02:49.00	Elizabeth Brekus	Yeah.
03:02:49.29	Mayor Cox	Yeah, mine is on paper. Okay, got it. Okay, well, that solves that question. That's great.
03:02:49.34	Elizabeth Brekus	I mine is on paper.
03:02:56.10	Mayor Cox	Okay, and then on your slide that says FCI by facility, and you have the
03:03:02.26	Mayor Cox	darker, you have the fair and the poor highlighted in color for us. Are these
03:03:12.12	Mayor Cox	facilities that are highlighted as fair and poor
03:03:15.93	Mayor Cox	Um,
03:03:17.86	Mayor Cox	included in the 2526 and 2627
03:03:22.75	Mayor Cox	capital...
03:03:24.12	Mayor Cox	improvement.
03:03:25.72	Mayor Cox	plan attachments three and four to our staff report.
03:03:29.64	Mary Venable	And I guess I have to defer.
03:03:31.61	Mary Venable	Thank you.
03:03:31.69	Mayor Cox	Oh, okay.
03:03:32.23	Mary Venable	on that. I think that's a question for you, I think.
03:03:36.23	Mayor Cox	So in the, in,
03:03:40.32	Mayor Cox	Bureau Veritas presentation. It has FCI by facility, and it has...
03:03:45.51	Mayor Cox	you know, the highlighted colors for fair and poor.
03:03:49.26	Mayor Cox	Consider renovation, consider demolition.
03:03:52.13	Mayor Cox	There are, and you know, those include the Marin Ship Park restroom, the MLK campus, some of the ones, the Bridgeway restroom, some of the ones that were mentioned.
03:04:05.27	Mayor Cox	The ones that are listed as fair and poor within the next five years are those in your two-year capital improvement plan.
03:04:14.98	Kevin McGowan	But probably are. I'd have to check specifically if those are. I think the
03:04:20.26	Kevin McGowan	the FCI is related to not doing anything.
03:04:23.82	Kevin McGowan	We do nothing.
03:04:25.12	Kevin McGowan	that we're going to end up, you know, having to put more money into this at a later point in time. So I have to check specifically within my 2025, 2026 of whether that project is on there. And most of them are, you know, if they have a high rating.
03:04:41.57	Kevin McGowan	they will probably be on those two first years.
03:04:44.56	Mayor Cox	And then there are two fire stations on this list, Station 1 built in 2010 and Station 2 built in 1964. I'm assuming Station 2 is the Spencer Fire Station.
03:04:55.39	Kevin McGowan	Yes.
03:04:55.97	Mayor Cox	But what is station one?
03:04:57.86	Kevin McGowan	Station one is where the fire department currently is housed.
03:05:01.39	Mayor Cox	So we're already showing that in five years, that is going to need.
03:05:05.75	Mayor Cox	renovations.
03:05:07.53	Kevin McGowan	It's going to need improvements, yes.
03:05:10.48	Mayor Cox	Okay, and given that we have shifted responsibility for fire protection and we're paying
03:05:18.65	Mayor Cox	over 40% of our property taxes each year to Southern Rune Fire.
03:05:22.19	Mayor Cox	Are we responsible to up?
03:05:24.27	Mayor Cox	date those facilities or should that be paid for by Southern Marin Fire?
03:05:28.81	Kevin McGowan	I think that's one of the very big questions that we need to determine. I don't have an answer for it right now, but I need to look into it.
03:05:36.25	City Manager	I do, Mayor.
03:05:36.42	Kevin McGowan	Thank you.
03:05:37.13	Kevin McGowan	Yes, thank you, city manager.
03:05:37.19	City Manager	Yes, thank you, city manager.
03:05:38.93	City Manager	And thank you for the question. Yes, the city has an agreement with the Southern Marin Fire District that they pay the city $100,000 per year to rent our building.
03:05:51.35	City Manager	That is what is the arrangement that was made. And in that cost is supposedly the repairs to the money to maintain the building as were the owner.
03:05:53.58	Mayor Cox	that was made.
03:05:54.96	Unknown	And,
03:06:08.19	Mayor Cox	And so we heard earlier tonight
03:06:11.13	Mayor Cox	about a 500 signature, which I haven't seen the petition yet.
03:06:14.93	Mayor Cox	City Clerk, I thought that...
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03:06:16.83	City Clerk	I'm going to give me one.
03:06:17.78	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:06:17.88	Mayor Cox	Oh, okay.
03:06:18.96	Mayor Cox	And you'll add it to public comment to the communications for the evening.
03:06:23.94	City Clerk	Yes, I'll add it tomorrow.
03:06:25.42	Mayor Cox	Okay.
03:06:26.30	Mayor Cox	So when we have 500 signatures asking us to
03:06:32.42	Mayor Cox	recommission the fire station, these costs of, you know,
03:06:38.97	Mayor Cox	Um,
03:06:39.97	Mayor Cox	of two, hold on.
03:06:44.68	Mayor Cox	The repair costs in this chart are costs that the city would have to bear if we were going to recommission that station.
03:06:51.80	City Manager	Mayor, members of the council, members of the public, you gave me direction to have this conversation with the fire chief, and I will. I think that's to be determined. I don't know that you would want to make that determination tonight to say that one part of the other would be burdened with those costs if it was going to be used for a fire station. But it is our building. If we're going to use it for other things, then we have that obligation. But if it's going to be used for a fire purpose, then that's a whole different conversation.
03:07:11.22	Unknown	Yep.
03:07:25.09	Mayor Cox	Okay.
03:07:27.74	Mayor Cox	Did you want to answer? Thank you. Yes.
03:07:31.17	Kevin McGowan	So on page five, thank you very much. That is an error where it says 3.28 million. I apologize for that. The $35,000 limit when you add up the two numbers that I have for the report from 2025 and 2026, we're at 642,000 compared to that much larger number. And the 6442,000 relates to all the small little projects that you gather them all up. That's kind of the number where we end up at. So my apologies, I can correct that.
03:08:03.30	Mayor Cox	Yes, but I was asking you about the project's over 35,000.
03:08:06.57	Kevin McGowan	Mm-hmm.
03:08:06.98	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:08:07.11	Mayor Cox	That number on page five is 3.28 million.
03:08:11.72	Kevin McGowan	On page five is an error. So I think it says, oh, I'm sorry. Maybe I'm misreading this.
03:08:17.88	Kevin McGowan	Thank you.
03:08:17.89	Mayor Cox	So it says based on BB's report, the estimated construction costs for fiscal year 2526 for projects estimated to exceed 35,000 is 3.28 million.
03:08:17.94	Kevin McGowan	So it says.
03:08:28.91	Kevin McGowan	Yeah, the two numbers don't match, so I must have made a mistake along the way. I'll have to correct both of those.
03:08:34.79	Mayor Cox	Okay.
03:08:36.44	Mayor Cox	I see that the fire stations are included in your fiscal year 2026.
03:08:46.95	Mayor Cox	your 2025 and 2026
03:08:51.95	Mayor Cox	expenditure.
03:08:53.64	Mayor Cox	recommendations, I guess it would be framed.
03:08:57.23	Mayor Cox	the projects that you're proposing for 2025 and 2026.
03:09:00.96	Kevin McGowan	Right now, the charts or the tables that you have in front of you don't distinguish between who is responsible for the work.
03:09:07.08	Mayor Cox	Exactly, it's just the construction cost.
03:09:08.91	Kevin McGowan	Just the construction cost. We in public works are trying to get used to the data that is produced from asset calc. And so we've listed them all. We still have our research in front of us to find out who is responsible for that.
03:09:24.20	Mayor Cox	So you're essentially saying that to address the priority projects,
03:09:29.38	Mayor Cox	your
03:09:30.64	Mayor Cox	It says if the city proceeds with addressing the projects recommended over the next two years, a total of
03:09:35.74	Mayor Cox	3.86 million will be needed just for construction, and then you would add 35% to that for design, construction management, and other soft costs.
03:09:46.62	Kevin McGowan	Yes, that's correct.
03:09:49.15	Mayor Cox	And you do say that we could use other fund sources, such as grants, parking funds,
03:09:55.70	Kevin McGowan	Yes, we did not distinguish of where the funding would come from. We're still working on that.
03:10:00.66	Mayor Cox	All right. Thank you for helping me understand the way that all of these materials interrelate.
03:10:05.96	Mayor Cox	Other questions? Yes, Council Member.
03:10:08.66	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:10:09.13	Melissa	Thank you very much for this report and for taking this on and for flying here from Las Vegas to be with us for this presentation. So I have questions for both of you kind of back and forth, so it'll be helpful to have you here. So on the chart that you put together, where it's roughly $53 million for the next 20 years of improvements, or not even improvements, rather upkeep for our buildings, is that assuming that we spend the suggested amounts, for example, for fiscal year 2025 and 2026, you have the 3.86 million. So this is going forward, you're suggesting that if we just upkeep our buildings, according to this report, over the next 20 years, it will be 50 upwards of $50 million.
03:10:48.77	Kevin McGowan	Yes.
03:10:49.55	Kevin McGowan	Sorry, yes, that's the intent of this table.
03:10:52.13	Melissa	And that's just upkeep. It's not necessarily substantial improvements, or maybe you can speak to that.
03:10:58.48	Mary Venable	Yes, that's replacing
03:11:00.03	Mary Venable	Thank you.
03:11:00.22	Melissa	things.
03:11:00.53	Mary Venable	Thank you.
03:11:00.67	Melissa	the,
03:11:00.79	Mary Venable	that is,
03:11:00.97	Melissa	to get to the next.
03:11:01.02	Mary Venable	exist as they need replacement.
03:11:03.30	Melissa	Okay. And when I look at your chart in the presentation and also in the staff report, you have recommendations for what conditions would require demolishing buildings because they were in such poor condition. Is that assuming we don't act and spend the money to move forward or is that they're just going to be hopeless? No, that's correct.
03:11:22.14	Mary Venable	Thank you.
03:11:22.32	Melissa	And it's correct that they're
03:11:24.02	Mary Venable	hopeless no matter what, or they're hopeless. No, just the opposite. Okay. Okay.
03:11:25.19	Melissa	I hope this is great.
03:11:28.61	Unknown	Okay.
03:11:28.70	Mary Venable	And one thing I'd like to say about that is that
03:11:32.12	Mary Venable	Um,
03:11:33.86	Mary Venable	That doesn't mean you have to. A lot of those costs may be finishes. And it may be that you just have a building that's unsightly in ways. It's just a reference point.
03:11:49.69	Melissa	But you did include those three for demolishment where the MLK campus, the Marinship park restroom and fire station too.
03:11:56.51	Mary Venable	That's if no costs, no money is expended.
03:12:02.50	Melissa	And I'm not sure if you were aware of the revenue generating facilities, but MLK is a large revenue generator for us.
03:12:09.45	Mary Venable	So.
03:12:09.79	Melissa	Thank you.
03:12:09.81	Mary Venable	I was not...
03:12:10.52	Melissa	Yeah, I mean, demolishing that would be problematic for our bottom line. So hopefully that-
03:12:16.15	Mary Venable	And I'd like to say that it's a consideration. You know, there are many other considerations that would go into that.
03:12:24.62	Melissa	Okay, but when you prioritize the potential for demolishing them versus your raw score, neither of those three items are in your top priority raw score. Is that because they're not an immediate health and safety threat? Yes.
03:12:37.08	Melissa	That's correct.
03:12:37.52	Mary Venable	Correct.
03:12:37.92	Melissa	Thank you.
03:12:38.04	Melissa	Okay, so your recommendation and Kevin, would you sorry, pardon me, Director McGowan, would you agree with this or not? The most pressing and immediate concerns are those for health and safety, and they should be addressed as a priority within our structure for the CIP going forward.
03:12:51.94	Kevin McGowan	Yes, we do have a high priority for our for our projects and how our CIP is set up based on health and safety. Exactly what you just said.
03:12:59.94	Melissa	Okay, all right, great. I think that that's a good overview. I'm sure other council members have questions, but I'm just trying to get a bigger picture of where we stand, thank you.
03:13:08.35	Mayor Cox	I found one question I forgot. I'm just going to jump in. So the top project for 2025 is the 564 Bridgeway Public Pier.
03:13:17.51	Mayor Cox	So why is that on the, I haven't heard any council direction to repair or replace that pier. So why is that on the recommended expenditure list for 2025?
03:13:29.15	Kevin McGowan	Well, the list that you see in front of you is simply based off of Bureau Veritas' summary and their rating score by itself.
03:13:39.11	Kevin McGowan	The city's rating score didn't come into it.
03:13:42.10	Kevin McGowan	And we didn't take into account whether it was a priority for the council or not.
03:13:47.70	Kevin McGowan	We are just listing what they've given us at this point in time.
03:13:51.75	Kevin McGowan	That's why I'm kind of bringing it back and tying it into that CIP. We need to have that discussion of,
03:13:57.35	Kevin McGowan	whether this council wants to pursue improvements on that pier or not.
03:14:02.25	Mayor Cox	Okay, so this is not a recommendation of expenditures. This is what it would cost in 2025 and 2026 if we address the FCI...
03:14:14.28	Mayor Cox	priorities identified by Bureau Veritas.
03:14:17.64	Kevin McGowan	this is simply bringing back your veritas's numbers to the council letting them know they have
03:14:23.27	Kevin McGowan	completed their analysis and their report.
03:14:26.14	Kevin McGowan	We're still diving into the details of who's responsible and then also looking at a priority for our city council and yourselves in the CIP.
03:14:35.05	Kevin McGowan	Thank you.
03:14:36.40	Pace Mayer	Since we're talking piers for a minute, that happens to be, if you look at that column for 2025, that's about one-third of the total, which is stunning in and of itself. But also, it is a dilapidated, falling-apart pier. So I suppose from an aesthetic as well as maybe appearance of safety, it's not usable at all. There's almost nothing left.
03:14:36.89	Kevin McGowan	Bye, Senator.
03:14:37.40	Unknown	Thank you.
03:14:37.41	Unknown	Thank you.
03:15:04.04	Pace Mayer	Right.
03:15:04.34	Pace Mayer	My understanding is that there had been some grant money available years ago from the Costco-Busan accident.
03:15:13.37	Pace Mayer	that was never spent.
03:15:15.74	Pace Mayer	I'm not asking to go back and...
03:15:18.07	Pace Mayer	Look at that, but I think the amount of money then was a couple hundred thousand dollars.
03:15:23.41	Pace Mayer	And I'm just curious how you got to 637,000. Just a question.
03:15:29.22	Mayor Cox	I'll tell you why it wasn't built is because the requirements for clearance above the water were in the process of being increased.
03:15:39.29	Mayor Cox	to render the plan for reconstruction
03:15:43.78	Mayor Cox	questionable if not
03:15:46.97	Mayor Cox	It's more expensive to accommodate the new requirements.
03:15:51.29	Pace Mayer	Okay, and I'm not looking backwards as much as trying to figure out where the numbers come from or something like that, such a big number. Okay.
03:15:53.84	Mayor Cox	as much as trying to do it.
03:15:54.72	Mary Venable	Thank you.
03:15:59.07	Mary Venable	I can address that. So when I determine costs, I use primarily the RS Means database, which is a national database. Also is adjusted for localities, but I use those costs, and that's where I got that cost from. It was a square foot cost. I believe it was like 290 bucks a square foot for that. And that's where that number came from. I do want to say that
03:16:33.70	Mary Venable	That doesn't necessarily mean what it would really cost, because you have to, the only way to really know what it will cost is to get a bid.
03:16:45.93	Pace Mayer	And that may be one area where we have a lot of local expertise. Yes, indeed. Docks, piers, et cetera. Yes. I won't belabor it and go into other detail, but I do think that from my perspective, the filter to apply to much of this is indeed, as you mentioned earlier, public safety. We want to make sure we're not
03:16:50.22	Mary Venable	Yes, indeed.
03:16:53.21	Mary Venable	Yes.
03:16:53.75	Unknown	Thank you.
03:17:06.08	Pace Mayer	Having hazardous conditions unmet or unaddressed.
03:17:08.85	Paul Mowry	Congrats.
03:17:09.61	Pace Mayer	So, and I'm assuming that that's your rating system yields that as a priority.
03:17:15.78	Mary Venable	Well, our rating system really just addresses physical conditions, and there are a lot more considerations that you would have as a city.
03:17:27.12	Mary Venable	Yeah, for something like that. I look at that and determine what would it cost to rebuild it.
03:17:33.15	Mary Venable	you may look at it as an attractive nuisance that needs to be removed.
03:17:39.49	Pace Mayer	Okay.
03:17:40.69	Pace Mayer	Okay understood and again there's a lot of detail here that we're going to need to sort out over time. And I don't want to take the time now to delve any further, but obviously Kevin you're endorsing at least conceptually the concepts that are appear on that chart on that spreadsheet. Addressing costs in the sequence that makes sense. Yes, on a rating system.
03:18:01.31	Kevin McGowan	Yes.
03:18:02.92	Kevin McGowan	Yes, but I'm also endorsing that staff take a close look at some of the higher profile projects, the ones that are greater than 35,000 that they are recommending in their report. We put it in a CIP listing and we really dive into it at some point in time and say, hey, should we do this or should we put this off for a year?
03:18:22.52	Kevin McGowan	The pier that you just talked about is one of those it's been like this for many years nobody's used it and they shouldn't use it so. From the city's perspective, do we want to pursue this in some way and dedicate staff time to it, or do we push it out for a few years until it maybe we address other things that are on this list that are more important.
03:18:40.97	Pace Mayer	Okay, and I think this has been asked and answered before, but just to reiterate, some of these are projects that conceivably will be the responsibility of a tenant or perhaps somebody else.
03:18:51.97	Pace Mayer	Thank you.
03:18:52.01	Kevin McGowan	Yes.
03:18:52.34	Pace Mayer	Thank you.
03:18:56.41	Unknown	Any other questions?
03:18:58.99	Unknown	Yeah, I have. Yes. So I'm trying to get my just trying to wrap my head a little bit around all of these different charts that we have and specifically. You know what we're expected to assimilate and give direction on tonight. And because I'm looking at first of all, let me just back up and say thank you for giving us this. We've been asking for it for a long time. It's a lot of information. And just behind these numbers, I know there's just a mountain of additional information.
03:19:32.56	Unknown	It's incredible, right? It's really, really incredible, and it's a snapshot I know of.
03:19:38.89	Unknown	what exists or the information that we have today. And even some of this information might be a little bit stale because you've been, you've been, you know, gathering it, I think for two years or three years. Right. So.
03:19:49.79	Unknown	But I'm excited that we now have it, and at least we have a lot of metrics now that we haven't had for a long, long time. So I'm very, very excited that we have it. One of the things that strikes me is that we have, for such a small town, we have a lot of properties. And I'm not sure that that's a healthy situation for a town of our size to have this many properties that we're responsible for maintaining. and I'm not sure that that's a healthy situation for a town of our size to have this many properties that we're responsible for maintaining. And I'm not sure that we, like I said, a town of our size had the capability and staff bandwidth to be able to effectively manage it. So that might be a question to ask at some point.
03:20:31.64	Unknown	and whether or not we're not overwhelmed with the size and magnitude of what we have to manage with our staff. So, but anyway, be that it is made. So specifically, Kevin, I'm looking at all these different spreadsheets. I'm looking at all this different cost estimates. Yeah.
03:20:52.44	Unknown	And I'm looking at 2025, and then I'm looking at 26 through 30, and then 31 through 35, and these rather large numbers.
03:21:01.89	Unknown	What is it that we're expected to do as a council today
03:21:06.45	Unknown	What is it that you want from us?
03:21:08.44	Kevin McGowan	I think what I just addressed was how I'm anticipating we should move forward, which is to take a look at some of the larger projects, put them into the CIP and have a more in-depth discussion specifically about whether we want to pursue some of these projects in the next couple of years. So I think what I'm asking for is maybe just let me know if I'm on the right track.
03:21:11.46	Unknown	and
03:21:26.97	Joris Von Menz	Thank you.
03:21:27.20	Joris Von Menz	Yeah.
03:21:34.17	Kevin McGowan	you
03:21:34.21	Unknown	Okay.
03:21:34.23	Kevin McGowan	Okay.
03:21:34.60	Kevin McGowan	If that's not correct and not in the right direction for you, just let me know. Otherwise, we can have some more detailed discussions when we bring up the CIP. I think it's on the 15th of April.
03:21:45.30	Unknown	Okay. Yeah, principally, I do. I support that. I support that direction. I support that. There's a couple of properties on here that I want to delve into a little bit more. I think we've talked about those. I think the MLK campus is, you know, some of these numbers are large and concerning, but we, you know, that is a large revenue generating operation that we've talked about at length here. And I've looked at the parking lots, also a large revenue generating operation for us and some other generating operations.
03:22:24.97	Bonnie McGregor	the
03:22:26.13	Unknown	revenue-generating operations or should be revenue-generating operations for us. So I'll look at those before the next iteration of this and maybe reach back to you and see what kind of metrics we have.
03:22:38.60	Unknown	metrics we have on this so it's exciting that we have this information so thank you so much for all your hard work thank you thank you mary for coming
03:22:45.47	Mayor Cox	I'd also like to hear from our city manager.
03:22:48.64	City Manager	Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate the opportunity to comment. And I appreciate the conversation about what lenses to look through. I have a city manager lens I look through on these things, and there is a process that Kevin's pointing us to. And the lenses are obviously safety. The other one is what's required by law, such as ADA. What improves our profile in terms of risk? What is revenue revenue producing as spoken to by Councilmember Hoffman, what is the council priority. And so taking all that into account and melding those into existing work that's going on, whether it's the climate tech work that's happening, whether it's the capital improvement program that's happening, but to bring that forward as part of our capital improvement program discussion with our own metrics that Kevin and his team have as it relates to projects that may be a little bit different than mine, and then we come back to you and we say this is what we recommend in the budget. These are the funding sources we think can fund it. You have a variety of funds in Sausalito that thank the community leaders before us that, you know, created Measure L or the Title Lens Fund or the MLK Fund or the Parking Fund. There are different ways to look at some of these in terms of how we pay for them. And, again, I appreciate the big number, $53 million over 20 years. That's a splash of cold water. But when you look at it over 20 years, let's call it $30 million. It's $3 million a year that you'd have to invest, not $60 million in one year. It's time that you would have to set aside money. But you all have said, we want the data. We need data to make decisions. And so we did not want to overwhelm you with 2,000 pages of a report. So what you got was a 25-page PowerPoint, but we do have 2,000 pages of data to now inform some of the things that we need to bring forward to you. And I think people may ask, well, what was the direction that the council gave us some time ago? It was to look at our facilities, to look at them through various lenses, and to spend some money doing it. So you allocated $125,000 for all of this data so we could get to the point where we could start to intelligently make recommendations and give you ideas about what you want to do that meets muster in a variety of different areas. Again, safety, you know, revenue producing, ADA, risk reduction, council priorities. And so it's an ongoing process. It's not going to be done in one night or, you know, in one budget year. It's, you know, long term. And we have a lot of work to do. And this is the start of it. So thank you for funding this. Thank you for giving us a direction for it. And again, not to overwhelm you, but there's 2,000 pages of information that BV provided in their service. So that concludes my comments, Mayor.
03:25:34.44	John Diamante	Thank you.
03:25:34.51	Kevin McGowan	the
03:25:48.09	Mayor Cox	Thank you, city manager. Are there any other questions? If not, I'm gonna open it up to public. Okay, yes, council member Sobieski.
03:25:55.13	Unknown	Thank you, Mayor. And I don't know if this is for you, City Manager, or
03:25:59.26	Unknown	David Larson, M.D.: Someone else or if it's just going to be rhetorical because we don't have anyone who can answer it right now, but I do.
03:26:04.39	Unknown	want to know as this number was coming together and as this visibility into just the
03:26:11.43	Unknown	expense.
03:26:12.66	Unknown	of maintaining our facilities.
03:26:14.98	Unknown	Not our roads, not our
03:26:16.65	Unknown	sidewalks or sewers.
03:26:18.50	Unknown	comes into better focus.
03:26:20.38	Unknown	that's a good question.
03:26:21.20	Unknown	whether there's an answer to the question of where the money is going to come from.
03:26:25.81	Unknown	So city manager Zapata
03:26:28.25	Unknown	$54 million is only 2.2%.
03:26:30.99	Unknown	$2.4 million a year.
03:26:33.60	Unknown	over the 20 year period, but
03:26:36.29	Unknown	Where's that money?
03:26:39.21	Unknown	going to come from?
03:26:41.50	Unknown	Does that money exist or
03:26:43.31	Unknown	No.
03:26:44.39	Unknown	in our projections or rough projections or our revenue growth.
03:26:48.37	City Manager	Of course it doesn't exist, Council Member, I'll do respect. But there are funds that do exist that, you know, we would try to make sure we spent efficiently and wisely. And I'll give you some examples of it again. Measure L is good for seven more years. That's about $3 million a year. We have title and funds, which comes in at about $400,000 a year, and that's something into perpetuity that we know we have. We have gas tax money that comes in. We have revenue from parking lots that comes in at three plus million a year. We have revenue from MLK that comes in at over a million dollars a year. We have other funding sources that could be used through the general fund if you choose to make this a priority. So Sassilo doesn't have enough money to deal with all of it, but it has some money to deal with what's really important, and that's the hard work. What is it important to do with the funds that you do have? So, again, it's not like we don't have any money to do these things. There's money that occurs every year from MLK, from the Tidands, from the parking enterprise, as well as other sources such as Old City Hall, the Spinnaker, et cetera. And so that's where Sausalito was pretty entrepreneurial, but to the earlier point that was made by, I believe it was Councilmember Hoffman, you own a lot of stuff here.
03:28:07.51	City Manager	And when you own a lot of stuff, that means you've got to be responsible for a lot of stuff. So there's good and bad with that, but there is some revenue streams that have been set up to address what can be addressed, but it's not enough to address the total package so you have a sparkling brand-new city with great roads, great buildings, great piers, great parking lots. You can do some of that, but you can't do all of it.
03:28:29.43	City Manager	Thank you.
03:28:32.08	Mayor Cox	Okay, with that, I'm going to open it up to public comment. I have one speaker card from Babette McDougall.
03:28:43.31	Babette McDougall	Well, I'll make the grand effort on everyone's behalf. Thank you for acknowledging me. So first, I really wanted to thank and applaud all y'all, the city, the council, and the wisdom to say, let's find a report like this and just get data heavy, because the citizens have been eager for this for some time. So thank you.
03:29:03.98	Babette McDougall	Thank you for the good work. And thank you for opening it up to the implications.
03:29:09.55	Babette McDougall	It does affirm what many
03:29:12.16	Babette McDougall	long-time residents have always known, which is we've got money coming in, but we're not exactly maintaining these properties, which is why this
03:29:21.59	Babette McDougall	basic question of transparency comes up.
03:29:24.99	Babette McDougall	You know, first of all, let's move funds from here to there because it makes us look better. You have to understand how unsettling that is to your constituents. And it kind of drills down on, well, when we start planning going forward, like this $10 million we're always talking about but never gets used.
03:29:41.88	Babette McDougall	This drills down to the transparency of what it takes to maintain any investment over time.
03:29:49.46	Babette McDougall	any investment at all. So if you start paring away at your obligations that you have now, because it just seems overwhelming,
03:29:57.71	Babette McDougall	Well, what else are you gonna pair a way at over time?
03:30:00.56	Babette McDougall	You know, there comes a moment where you just simply have to embrace the community for what it is, which is a great place, and we have these assets to manage.
03:30:10.08	Babette McDougall	So I would like to just urge going forward that there is less temptation to play with the money. And I'd like to hear from our finance director because he usually weighs in and has some pretty good input. So I hope that we will bring this back for a further discussion and that we will look seriously at how we're going to reinvest in our own portfolio.
03:30:29.99	Babette McDougall	I know the citizens look forward to it. They speak about it often.
03:30:34.19	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
03:30:36.77	Hank Baker	Thank you.
03:30:37.36	Mayor Cox	you
03:30:37.52	Hank Baker	you
03:30:37.67	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:30:37.72	Hank Baker	anything.
03:30:37.97	Mayor Cox	anything online, City Clerk?
03:30:39.00	City Clerk	City clerk. No further public speakers.
03:30:41.04	Mayor Cox	All right, then I will close public comment. There is no motion. I believe by our questions, we've given some direction. And the...
03:30:50.66	Mayor Cox	Public Works Director has given, and the City Manager had given their plan
03:30:55.25	Mayor Cox	Moving forward, as for consideration this fiscal year, was there any further direction for many council members?
03:31:01.99	Mayor Cox	Seeing none. Okay, then we will move on.
03:31:04.48	Unknown	Mayor? I'm sorry. I know the hours late. They did.
03:31:07.81	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:31:07.84	Mayor Cox	Sorry.
03:31:08.62	Unknown	I did want to just say, uh,
03:31:10.81	Unknown	We did set a strategic priority at the beginning of this year to find $3 million of additional revenue on a recurring basis.
03:31:18.00	Unknown	And it's kind of curious that this number just from the facilities maintenance alone is close to $3 million a year.
03:31:24.51	Unknown	And when we are
03:31:27.72	Unknown	alone in the shower or at the breakfast table thinking about our fair town.
03:31:33.54	Unknown	This is really the
03:31:35.57	Unknown	the motivation for trying
03:31:37.98	Unknown	to make some of the compromises we do on our economic model. Because just to fix our facilities, we need to find $3 million more this year and next year and the year after that. That's not just the streets and the sewers.
03:31:50.72	Unknown	and everything else.
03:31:53.00	Unknown	It's a big challenge and it's a call to action for all of us.
03:31:57.91	Unknown	to think of ways that we can help
03:32:00.71	Unknown	generate more revenue in town. Taxes should be the last thing we do, but
03:32:05.49	Unknown	we have the real opportunity here to generate that kind of revenue if we put our
03:32:09.64	Unknown	if we had that intention, I'm sure.
03:32:15.19	Hank Baker	Thank you.
03:32:15.20	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:32:16.71	Mayor Cox	All right, I'm going to move on. We will move on to city manager reports, council member reports, city council appointments, and other council business. 6A is city manager information.
03:32:28.66	Mayor Cox	For council, we will take public comment on all of these items.
03:32:32.08	Mayor Cox	Well, we will take public comment on 6A through 6C and 6E through 6F at 6G.
03:32:38.86	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:32:38.88	City Manager	Thank you, Mayor, members of the council, members of the public that are with us. There is a report, a quarterly report from the city managers that involves different work that we're doing. And, you know, one of the things that we know is you have work at city council meeting, but there are always ongoing initiatives and follow-up from prior meetings in prior months. You see 65 activities in that report, things big and small, mostly important. And so I'm happy to provide that report on a quarterly basis so the community can see what city departments are doing what the city manager is doing and that's all included in as part of the written document and now I'm going to go off script and I'm going to give you some important news I want to provide an update on a personnel matter. Yesterday, I terminated Chad Hess as city finance director. I am confident that we can move in a way that gets us to a place where we can adopt a budget, bring in the right finance people, work with existing finance staff. But this was something that was very difficult difficult the timing couldn't be worse but i i heard earlier that you know we need to work with our finance director who is no longer with us because he was terminated yesterday we've notified all of the different partners and stakeholders that are related to finance and i.t where there was that relationship so they know this situation and we will continue to work on how we make a transition, build you a budget and maintain our great finance staff who has done a great deal of work in the last couple of years to get the city back on track with Chad's leadership, but Chad will not be a part of our team on a go forward
03:34:22.12	Hank Baker	Thank you.
03:34:24.08	Hank Baker	Next item is...
03:34:24.97	Mayor Cox	City Attorney information for Council. City Attorney, anything to report this evening?
03:34:29.53	Unknown	No, other than I am working on your quarterly litigation update, and that'll be provided to counsel sometime in early April.
03:34:39.27	Mayor Cox	Great. Thanks so much.
03:34:39.42	Unknown	Thank you.
03:34:41.17	Mayor Cox	Councilmember Committee reports.
03:34:44.84	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:34:44.85	Melissa	Yes, I have quite a few. So I attended the Transportation Authority of Marin meeting, and we had a report from the MTC Marin County representative who was with us at our last meeting, Stephanie Moulton-Peters, who's actually the vice chair of MTC now. And she shared that there were two really substantial Marin County funding projects, the San Rafael Canal access and the downtown north-south Greenway, which ABAG and MTC are funding going forward, which was exciting news. We also heard a committee report, or sorry, an executive director report from Anne Richmond who gave us an update on the White House executive order and what that means going forward for organizations like TAM. The long and short of it is we don't yet know, but there are 22 states who have officially filed lawsuits against it. But we know that, for example, the Department of Transportation is indicating a preference for communities with higher birth rates, which will impact some of our grant applications. So we're following that as we go. We also heard a vehicle miles traveled report and how Marin might adapt the VMT going forward as a measure and then update on the canal exit freeway improvement. I also sit on the countywide e-bike task force of Supervisor Sackett's ad hoc task force and we had a substantial meeting on AB 1774 and the county is moving forward with a ordinance to comply with AB 1774 in fact, Marin County and some of the cities in Marin will be the first in the state to actively comply with new e-bike requirements. So I'll mention this in a future agenda items, but after the county adopts the ordinance, they've offered to provide their staff report and even their staff to come present on the implementation of 1774 and those requirements. So I'll mention that again in future agenda items. And that's it.
03:36:33.85	Mayor Cox	I'll go. The vice mayor and I attended with the city manager and insurance committee meeting last week, in which we heard from Alliant and from George Hills, our risk manager. They just had an annual meeting and we were lauded for the great work that we've done to reduce our risk profile.
03:36:56.98	Mayor Cox	and to incorporate risk management strategies with the, you know, keep up the good work, essentially. We will be seeing an increase.
03:37:09.98	Mayor Cox	increase in our premium, as most agencies across California will do. For the first three years of our membership, we pay a new member fee. And so our costs are higher for the first three years, regardless of whether we have 100 claims or zero claims. But after the first three years, those costs will drop off. And that is somewhere short of half a million dollars is the category within which that new member fee is contained. So I'm looking forward to, and that's also when we can actually
03:37:47.05	Mayor Cox	start to reduce our premiums based on our actual risk profile as opposed to our historical risk profile. So very interesting presentation. We will hear, the full council will hear more, but that was a portent of things to come.
03:38:03.57	Mayor Cox	I was appointed by the
03:38:08.77	Mayor Cox	Marin County Board of Supervisors as an alternate to the BCDC Commission for Stephanie Moulton-Peters. So now I'm an alternate commissioner. I took my oath of office today. I will be attending a meeting on April 3rd regarding the bike lane on the Richardson Bridge. Richardson Bridge. Richardson's Bay Bridge. So interesting and I look forward to
03:38:37.29	Mayor Cox	building bridges and figuring out how better to collaborate with BCDC, which is such an integral organization to our work moving forward. Let's see.
03:38:52.56	Mayor Cox	And then the vice mayor, Councilmember Hoffman, and I, all three attended a Chamber of Commerce forum this morning on the Bridgeway median. I want to say this has to be the third or fourth public meeting regarding this very important project. I attended a PBAC meeting. I know there was a sustainability commission meeting, this meeting, and of course the council will hear this
03:39:22.97	Mayor Cox	as well. So I'm very pleased there were about 40 people there.
03:39:25.55	Mayor Cox	This morning I'm very pleased at this opportunity for members of the public
03:39:29.47	Mayor Cox	to hear and understand
03:39:31.96	Mayor Cox	what's being
03:39:33.03	Mayor Cox	proposed and what the city council's options are. It promises to be a very interesting meeting on the 29th, which will be March 29th, special meeting Saturday, 1 p.m.
03:39:45.87	Mayor Cox	And I think that wraps up my committee reports.
03:39:49.02	Pace Mayer	If I can just add a little bit about the risk management and insurance costs. Sure. It's frustrating to all of us that costs, not only are we still subject to our experience, more recent experience, I'll put it that way, and hopefully we'll get out of that. And it seems like we're making progress. But we don't see a financial impact as much as we would have hoped. A lot of this is out of our hands, I think, as our various insurance advisors can explain. The whole profile of risk in California has gone up across the board, and we are one of the
03:39:52.82	Mayor Cox	Sure.
03:40:28.34	Pace Mayer	many victims of that. So it was a very interesting presentation, thoroughly done. And the good news, as you said earlier, is that we are improving on our risk profile going forward, and we want to keep that up. So kudos to staff for all of that good work.
03:40:46.89	Unknown	Thank you.
03:40:46.91	Mayor Cox	Great.
03:40:47.26	Unknown	Thank you.
03:40:48.00	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:40:49.57	Unknown	I'll mention that we attended the mayor and Councilmember Blaustein attended the elected women's luncheon with the Marine Women's Political Action Committee. And the keynote speaker was the Cal City's CEO, Carolyn Coleman, which was great. She was a great speaker, and we were joined by our Congressman Huffman and the president pro tem of the California Senate, McGuire was there, and it was a really wonderful luncheon and a highlight, I think, of our year. I think you're right, yeah.
03:41:24.27	Mayor Cox	I think you're right. Yeah, that's great. All right. Thank you all for those. All right. I'm going to move on to appointments. And I am going to recommend some appointments this evening. We do have a staff report on this.
03:41:39.69	Mayor Cox	I will take public comment.
03:41:41.80	Mayor Cox	If anyone wishes to comment,
03:41:44.60	Mayor Cox	on our appointments to, I will be making an appointment to the Disaster Preparedness Committee. I'll be recommending appointments to the Sustainability Commission, the Parks and Recreation Commission, and the Historic Preservation.
03:41:57.00	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:41:57.02	Melissa	aren't we a commission?
03:41:57.90	Melissa	Can't we call for nominations since there's multiple, like for the Sustainability Commission? For example, if my appointment's recommendation differs from your own or otherwise?
03:42:07.05	Mayor Cox	So typically I make a recommendation. If it has majority, then great. If not, then we can make alternate recommendations. But that is typically- But can't you just at least have both names so that- Okay. I mean, just how typically we have done it in the past is the mayor makes a proposed appointment. So-
03:42:15.72	Melissa	but can't...
03:42:29.10	Pace Mayer	So-
03:42:29.44	Unknown	These are for the boards and commissions, Mayor?
03:42:33.22	Mayor Cox	For the, yeah, vacancies for the boards and commissions.
03:42:33.54	Unknown	the
03:42:37.12	Unknown	For EDAC, we would always just go around and
03:42:40.25	Unknown	We did different for it.
03:42:41.76	Melissa	I just think it's important for all of us to be able to
03:42:41.77	Unknown	it.
03:42:46.68	Melissa	anyway.
03:42:47.87	Melissa	for just a couple of years.
03:42:48.78	Unknown	Thank you.
03:42:48.84	Mayor Cox	Our protocols call for a motion. If someone wants to make an alternative motion, they can.
03:42:53.98	Mayor Cox	All right, but first I'm gonna take public comment. Any public comment on appointments to boards and commissions?
03:42:58.87	City Clerk	We have someone on their iPhone.
03:43:00.67	Mayor Cox	Go ahead.
03:43:06.97	Damien	Hi, sorry. I have a question. Damien here. I want to...
03:43:09.80	Damien	A comment on your
03:43:11.69	Damien	What you talked about before this regarding your reports now that am I late too late for that?
03:43:16.59	Mayor Cox	No, we will take that at the end of these reports. This is a separate item that requires its own separate public comment. But after two more items, you can make comment on items 6A through 6F.
03:43:31.61	City Clerk	All right, see you then.
03:43:33.51	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:43:33.53	Mayor Cox	Okay, I'm gonna close public comment. For disaster preparedness, we have...
03:43:40.65	Mayor Cox	We have vacancies for two members. We interviewed Eric Little. I'm going to nominate him for disaster preparedness.
03:43:47.99	Mayor Cox	second.
03:43:49.16	Mayor Cox	All in favor?
03:43:50.10	Mayor Cox	Oh, actually, we have to take a roll call. Go ahead. City clerk.
03:43:56.46	City Clerk	Councilmember Blossom.
03:43:57.81	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:43:58.52	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman.
03:43:59.87	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:43:59.92	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:44:00.28	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski? Yes. Vice Mayor Woodside? Yes. Mayor Cox.
03:44:05.07	Pace Mayer	Yes.
03:44:06.20	Mayor Cox	Yes. Okay, for Historic Preservation Commission, we have a vacancy commencing March 31st, 2025.
03:44:12.98	Mayor Cox	We had one applicant, Wayne Benet, whom we interviewed tonight. I nominate him to fill that vacancy.
03:44:22.48	Mayor Cox	City Clerk.
03:44:23.01	City Clerk	Councilmember Blaustein. Councilmember Hoffman.
03:44:26.53	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:44:26.57	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:44:26.99	City Clerk	.
03:44:27.41	City Clerk	Council member Sobieski? Yes. Vice Mayor Cox?
03:44:31.28	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:44:31.29	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:44:31.65	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:44:31.90	City Clerk	Sorry, Vice Mayor Woodside and Mayor Cox.
03:44:34.25	Pace Mayer	I'll say yes.
03:44:35.12	Mayor Cox	Bicep maker.
03:44:38.53	Mayor Cox	Yes. OK, that motion carries unanimously. For Parks and Recreation, there are vacancies for two members. And we have two nominees. And I'm going to nominate Stephanie Carullo and Beth's work. Second.
03:44:56.23	Mayor Cox	City clerk? Yeah.
03:44:58.29	City Clerk	Councilmember Blasting. Yes. Councilmember Hoffman. Yes. Councilmember Sobieski.
03:44:59.59	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:45:01.57	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:45:03.86	City Clerk	you
03:45:03.91	Mayor Cox	Yeah.
03:45:03.95	Unknown	Thank you.
03:45:04.03	City Clerk	Vice Mayor Woodside? Yes. Mayor Cox.
03:45:07.76	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:45:07.78	Mayor Cox	Yes, that motion carries unanimously. For the sustainability, we need to fill vacancies for an alternate and a 94965 liaison. There are two applicants for the 949 liaison, Wilford Welch and Alexander Schauer. So I struggled over this because they are both extraordinarily qualified. Katie Tho Garcia would love to work with either one of them. So I'm going to go ahead and nominate Alexander Schor, but I am open to other nominations.
03:45:40.45	Melissa	Thank you.
03:45:42.30	Melissa	I also struggled over this. I thought we would disagree, but okay. I'll nominate Wilford because I love Wilford.
03:45:47.70	Unknown	Thank you.
03:45:48.31	Mayor Cox	Okay.
03:45:49.80	Mayor Cox	And is there a second for that nomination?
03:45:53.84	Mayor Cox	Okay, that nomination fails for lack of a second. We'll go ahead and take roll.
03:45:58.40	City Clerk	Councilmember Blaustein.
03:46:00.06	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:46:00.09	Unknown	Yes.
03:46:00.22	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:46:00.31	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:46:00.33	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:46:00.34	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman.
03:46:00.38	Mayor Cox	Thank you.
03:46:02.91	Unknown	And we're voting on Alexander because there wasn't a second for Wilford. Correct. I'll vote for Wilford. Sorry, Alexander.
03:46:10.01	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski.
03:46:11.40	City Clerk	Yes.
03:46:12.53	City Clerk	Vice Mayor Woodside? Yes. Mayor Cock.
03:46:14.53	Mayor Cox	Yes, and then we have three, sorry, four nominees for the alternate. And so again, everybody was extraordinarily well qualified. I'm gonna go ahead and nominate Samantha Schubert.
03:46:29.59	Mayor Cox	Second.
03:46:30.80	Melissa	I'm going to nominate Ilyana Frenkov.
03:46:31.88	Unknown	THE FAMILY IS
03:46:39.07	Unknown	May I say why I nominated Samantha?
03:46:41.18	Unknown	Of course, I nominated Samantha because she has a bachelor's degree in environmental science and data analytics and I thought that was good.
03:46:51.73	Melissa	I nominated Liliana because she's the head of sustainability for a large transport organization and has a background in sustainability and also just had a very compelling interview. So I was really impressed by her.
03:47:08.13	Melissa	But there, again, so many good candidates. I don't think we can go wrong. That's kind of the situation. It's a good position to be in.
03:47:14.71	Melissa	Thank you.
03:47:14.73	Mayor Cox	It was your questioning of Samantha regarding biomimicry that really got me. That's the same. Wow. Okay. All right, then. I mean, all right. So you can call the role city clerk. And this is for Samantha Schubert. For lack of a second. Yeah, that's fine. I understand.
03:47:19.13	Unknown	Yes.
03:47:19.25	Unknown	So.
03:47:19.33	Melissa	So.
03:47:19.57	Unknown	I'm not sure.
03:47:20.01	Unknown	Yeah.
03:47:20.06	Melissa	Thank you.
03:47:20.08	Unknown	Wow.
03:47:20.92	Unknown	I'm sorry.
03:47:20.97	Unknown	.
03:47:21.00	Unknown	Okay.
03:47:21.12	Unknown	Thank you.
03:47:26.29	City Clerk	Uh, this-
03:47:30.08	City Clerk	Councilmember Blaustein.
03:47:31.58	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:47:31.82	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman.
03:47:34.01	Unknown	Thank you.
03:47:34.03	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:47:35.01	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski.
03:47:36.55	City Clerk	Yeah.
03:47:36.63	Councilmember Sobieski	Yes.
03:47:36.73	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:47:36.78	Councilmember Sobieski	Thank you.
03:47:37.42	City Clerk	Uh,
03:47:37.96	City Clerk	Vice Mayor Woodside? Yes. And Mayor Cox?
03:47:41.25	Mayor Cox	Yes, that motion carries unanimously. Great job, guys.
03:47:45.35	Mayor Cox	Okay.
03:47:47.21	Mayor Cox	future agenda items are listed does anyone want to add future agenda items
03:47:52.19	Melissa	AB 1774 ordinance, please.
03:47:57.35	Mayor Cox	Did you get that city clerk?
03:48:00.66	Melissa	Thank you.
03:48:00.68	Mayor Cox	ordinance.
03:48:08.46	Pace Mayer	I was going to say that we did have a lot of testimony today concerning process and procedures surrounding the land use appeal that was here. So I really think we need to take a really close look at the whole questionnaire process, including notice, and including our ability to, on a narrow basis, take up things that are brought to our attention on an appeal after they've gone through the Planning Commission. So I know there may be controversy about that, but I think it's something that deserves at least a close look and discussion, because it is complicated, but I think we've all learned that the processes here can be cumbersome, and if there's a way to streamline them without...
03:48:32.57	Unknown	that.
03:48:55.20	Pace Mayer	reducing the opportunity for public input appropriate
03:49:00.48	Pace Mayer	I don't want to give a whole speech about it, but I think it's a future agenda item that we should take very seriously.
03:49:06.56	Mayor Cox	So, City Clerk, you can call that CUP process slash notice.
03:49:10.59	Unknown	Thank you.
03:49:11.81	Unknown	Others?
03:49:13.27	Unknown	Yes, as the representative to the South's Leader of Sister Cities, they would like to come and give an update. So it's not a, I don't think it's an agenda item. I think it's a presentation.
03:49:24.56	Mayor Cox	I'll do that as a special presentation. Right. Okay.
03:49:25.78	Unknown	Right.
03:49:28.58	Mayor Cox	And they do that once a year, typically.
03:49:32.38	Mayor Cox	All right. Thank you. Seeing no others. Any other reports of significance?
03:49:40.44	Pace Mayer	It's not a report. I'm just thinking that because we do have a long list of future items that what we might want to do is take a look at that list collectively. We are supposed to.
03:49:49.15	Mayor Cox	We were supposed to do that last Sunday. I know. I know. You and I...
03:49:50.58	Pace Mayer	I know, I know you and I can do it. I'm just thinking that we ought to.
03:49:54.18	Pace Mayer	present what we have to the entire council, at least to take a look and see what's there.
03:50:00.95	Mayor Cox	As soon as we can do the work, we'll present it to the council.
03:50:00.98	Pace Mayer	As soon as we can do the work, we'll present it to the council. Okay, great. Thank you.
03:50:05.55	Mayor Cox	All right. At this point, I'll take public comment on items 6A through 6C and 6E through 6F. Two minutes per person. And I have a speaker card from Babette McDougall.
03:50:23.73	Babette McDougall	Thank you. So this regards the reports starting, say, like with the city manager and our city attorney, etc. Correct?
03:50:30.19	Babette McDougall	Correct. Thank you. All right, well, great. So I also would like to mention to Ms. Blaustein, I'm very pleased that you're working with our supervisor
03:50:38.86	Babette McDougall	with regard to MTC. And so the core question for you would be, how are you going to structure the daylighting
03:50:45.85	Babette McDougall	of the Southern Marin plans that MTC has on their boards. And this is going forward, and I think we really need to maintain the momentum here. And on other reports, I took with interest the city manager, or correction, the city attorney's note about litigation reports. Now, this is actually something that gets a huge amount of buzz among your constituents, is how these payables on a monthly basis, and I think it would be useful to help daylight who is being paid month by month, how much they're being paid, and for what of these various closed session for which there is never a report.
03:51:21.84	Babette McDougall	or rarely a report except for pushing for the YIMBY account.
03:51:25.10	Babette McDougall	finally to be publicized on the record.
03:51:27.45	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
03:51:27.60	Babette McDougall	But
03:51:29.18	Babette McDougall	This is something that keeps getting brought up time and again. People leave printouts at my house, and I'm supposed to figure out what to do about these printouts.
03:51:39.48	Babette McDougall	I just think
03:51:41.27	Babette McDougall	There's a lot of people that have gone to ground right now. So I'm the one that's standing here.
03:51:45.45	Babette McDougall	voicing something that may or may not agree with what other people are going to ask of you of this town. But I can tell you that there are a lot of people that would like some clarity on the finances.
03:51:55.14	Babette McDougall	So moving forward,
03:51:56.83	Babette McDougall	I look forward to a brighter day where we finally do get some clarity on finances and who's getting paid what on these legal fees and why is it so secretive?
03:52:06.11	Babette McDougall	I think it's a good idea to daylight who gets paid what, because otherwise there's this perception of conflict of interest.
03:52:13.55	Babette McDougall	And this is a problem.
03:52:15.95	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
03:52:17.84	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
03:52:17.97	Hank Baker	Thank you.
03:52:18.90	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
03:52:18.92	Hank Baker	Anything online, city clerk?
03:52:21.82	City Clerk	Sorry, yeah.
03:52:22.22	Damien	Thank you.
03:52:24.16	Mayor Cox	Welcome, Damian.
03:52:25.75	Damien	Hi, thank you. Can you hear me?
03:52:27.27	Mayor Cox	Yes.
03:52:28.10	Damien	Thank you. Regarding transportation and infrastructure, I want to invite every Soslito resident to a very, very important service.
03:52:43.49	Damien	workshop.
03:52:45.65	Damien	in Marin City on Thursday, this Thursday.
03:52:48.68	Damien	um
03:52:49.97	Damien	in two days from 12 noon to three o'clock, three hour workshop. This workshop,
03:52:57.34	Damien	is being hosted by the Marin City Climate Resilience, you know, Terry Green, but it's...
03:53:06.23	Damien	The agenda in a nutshell is a presentation and goals and vision for emergency infrastructure. We have been working, we have been working very closely
03:53:19.90	Damien	with Cal Berkeley's students. They will be presenting green infrastructure
03:53:27.04	Damien	sustainable stormwater management.
03:53:30.68	Damien	um,
03:53:32.14	Damien	There's community testimonies.
03:53:35.71	Damien	It'll be breakout sessions for engaged discussions.
03:53:40.61	Damien	You can pick which area you want to...
03:53:43.85	Damien	discuss, you know, be a part of. In the last half hour, I think there'll be question and answers, Q&A.
03:53:51.44	Damien	But Sausalito.
03:53:52.79	Damien	You know, some folks, you may want to come listen to this because Caltrans is talking about raising the freeway.
03:54:00.91	Damien	by the 10 feet high from, you know, within Marin City area, possibly to
03:54:08.06	Damien	the Richardson Bay Bridge, but don't quote me on that, but because, you know, it's not being, it's not fully transparent. Also the bike path, they talked about rerouting into Marin City, we don't want that.
03:54:20.94	Damien	So there's a barrier wall.
03:54:24.21	Damien	that may go up on the Marin City side, going up Highway 101 South.
03:54:31.05	City Clerk	no offense.
03:54:31.25	Mayor Cox	Thank you, Mr. Morgan.
03:54:31.91	City Clerk	Mr.
03:54:32.84	City Clerk	Yeah, no further public speakers?
03:54:34.91	Mayor Cox	Okay, then.
03:54:39.05	Mayor Cox	at
03:54:40.53	Mayor Cox	what 10 50 i'm pleased to adjourn our meeting our next meeting will be april 1st
03:54:41.24	City Clerk	Thank you.
03:54:48.16	Mayor Cox	Whoa, whoa.
03:54:48.85	Mayor Cox	Whoa.
03:54:49.31	City Manager	March 29th, Mayor.
03:54:51.94	Mayor Cox	Sorry, special meeting. Next regular meeting will be April 1st, 2025.
03:54:57.22	Mayor Cox	uh,
03:54:58.11	Mayor Cox	Well, that's what this says, next regularly scheduled meeting. But we do have a special meeting March 29th.
03:55:02.94	Mayor Cox	at 1 p.m. here.
03:55:04.81	Mayor Cox	In the chambers, we will have an overflow room in the event that we have lots of public participation. Thank you all, and good night.
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