City Council June 14, 2022

Jun 14

City Council Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:00:17	I: CALL TO ORDER IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 420 LITHO STREET - 6:00 PM	The meeting is called to order, and an audio sequence is initiated. Public attendees are being admitted.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:00:37	II: OPEN SESSION IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 420 LITHO STREET - 7:00 PM	The meeting reconvened in open session following a closed session. Mayor Kelman called the meeting to order and announced there were no closed session announcements. Councilmember Cleveland made a motion to approve the agenda (00:01:01). The motion was seconded by Vice Mayor Blomstein (00:01:05). Roll call was taken and the agenda was approved.	Motion to approve the agenda (00:01:01)	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:01:26	1: SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS / MAYOR’S ANNOUNCEMENTS - 7:05 PM	Mayor Kelman began by acknowledging Juneteenth and its significance, mentioning a recent performance of Dr. Cindy Acker's play, 'Words That Made the Difference, Brown vs. the Board of Education,' held in Dunphy Park to honor the holiday. The Mayor thanked the Parks and Rec Department, Abbott Chambers, and the city manager for their work in putting on the play (00:03:10). Councilmember Huffman shared trivia about Thurgood Marshall's involvement in Brown v. Board of Education and a local civil rights case (00:03:40). The Mayor then opened the floor for public comment, followed by reading a proclamation to recognize Juneteenth as a public holiday in the City of Sausalito (00:06:48). Vice Mayor Blausdean expressed her happiness at the proclamation and recognition of Juneteenth as a holiday, and thanked Park and Rec and Abbott for the June 12th performance (00:08:58). Mayor Kelman announced that Southern Marin Fire will be at the next planning commission meeting and the Community Development Department is hosting an interactive session on parklets on June 20th (00:10:04).	Motion to declare Juneteenth as a city holiday (00:09:43). Seconded (00:09:50). Motion passes (00:01:25).	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
00:05:13 Mr. Chase was Neutral: Mr. Chase discussed the first civil rights victory since Thurgood Marshall at Marin Ships, referencing the original TIO for Camp Clemarant. He spoke about the ongoing battles to save the natural anchorage of Richardson's Bay and to allow working people, poor people, African-Americans, and Jewish radicals to live in the city.
00:10:42	2: ACTION MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING - 7:15 PM	Mayor Kelman introduces the action minutes from the previous meetings of June 6th and June 3rd, 2022, and asks for any changes or a motion. There are no public comments. (00:11:13) Mayor Kelman closes public comment. A motion is made and seconded to approve the action minutes. (00:11:17) The council votes, and the motion passes unanimously.	Motion to approve the action minutes of the previous meetings of June 6th and June 3rd, 2022. (00:11:17)	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:18:54	3A: Adopt a Resolution Authorizing an Agreement for Community Development Leadership and Housing Element Services with 4Leaf, retroactively effective to May 15, 2022, Not to Exceed $487,800 through December 31, 2022 using six months salary savings from un	Mayor Kelman introduced the item, explaining it concerns costs associated with community development and housing element planning services. Kelman shared edits to the agreement with 4Leaf, including provisions such as not charging for consultant errors, a more thorough description of work, and a conflict of interest clause (00:19:08). Kelman sought council's approval to submit these edits for review by the city manager and city attorney. Councilmember Cleveland was amenable to Kelman's suggestion (00:20:47). The City Manager said any changes would need to be agreed to by 4Leaf (00:21:39). The City Attorney said that some of the changes might be straightforward, but some needed 4Leaf's approval (00:22:31). Councilmember Cleveland sought to clarify that the housing element services from 4Leaf were replacing city staff roles and not an addition to the contract with DeNovo (00:23:08).	Councilmember Cleveland made a motion to approve the resolution and agreement with modifications agreed upon between the city and the consultant, subject to approval by the city manager and city attorney, provided they do not impact the financial aspects of the agreement (00:32:32). The motion was seconded. The motion passed.	2 Total: 0 In Favor 1 Against 1 Neutral
00:24:59 Anastasia Saeed was Neutral: Anastasia Saeed, a resident, Planning Commission member, and HIAC member, thanked the consultant and expressed general frustration with the reliance on consultants (00:25:12). She emphasized the need for permanent staff and supported Mayor Kelman's edits to provide protections for the city and stated that it's disappointing to see the knowledge that the consultant is building up will go out the door when the contract is over (00:25:59). 00:27:25 McDougall was Against: McDougall expressed a desire to return to in-person meetings and raised concerns about not receiving seven days' notice for council meetings (00:27:43). She highlighted the lack of institutional memory and questioned the need for such an expensive consultant contract, suggesting tapping into the talent within the community's volunteers instead and talked about the Facilities for new public police and Fire stations becoming a labor of love for the entire town (00:29:04).
00:33:06	4: PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS (PART 1) - 7:25 PM	The City Council is conducting a public hearing and waiving the first reading to introduce Ordinance Number 1288. This ordinance aims to amend the Sausalito Municipal Code by adding a new chapter 9.70 to Title 9 (Subdivisions), amending section 10.44.080, and adding a new section 10.44.350 to chapter 10.44 regarding specific use requirements. The item is then handed over to Interim Community Development Director Horkert for further presentation.	Motion passes. (00:33:02)	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:33:45	4A: Conduct a public hearing, waive first reading, and introduce Ordinance No. 1288, an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending the City of Sausalito Municipal Code to add a new Chapter 9.70 to Title 9 – Subdivisions, amending Se	Dan Hortert, Interim Director of Community Development, presented Ordinance No. 1288, which amends the Sausalito Municipal Code to implement Senate Bill 9 (SB9), also known as the California Housing Opportunity and More Efficiency (HOME) Act (00:34:02). SB9, effective January 1, 2022, mandates ministerial approval for two dwelling units or a duplex on a single parcel and approval of parcel maps for urban lot splits on residentially zoned parcels (00:34:27). The ordinance includes objective design and development standards in conjunction with SB9 statutes (00:35:16). Sausalito has 1,022 parcels zoned single-family residential, with 945 potentially eligible for SB9 development (00:35:43). A Planning Commission working group, including Vice Chair Junius and Commissioner Luxenberg, coordinated with the city attorney's office to develop the ordinance (00:36:35). The ordinance closely follows the state mandate with some exceptions, such as a maximum unit size of 1,200 square feet and a maximum structure height of 16 feet (00:37:03). Decks and balconies must be a minimum of 15 feet from the property line and included in the structure's footprint (00:37:41). The ordinance precludes short-term rentals (00:37:51). Additional standards for two-unit developments include a solid six-foot fence or clear story/opaque windows for walls within eight feet of the property line (00:38:03). Urban lot splits require a minimum 20-foot frontage along public/private streets (10 feet for flag lots) (00:38:21). The smaller of the resulting lots cannot be less than 40% of the original lot size, and dwelling units are restricted to 1,200 square feet (00:38:39). SB9 projects are exempt from CEQA processes (00:39:19). Staff recommends waiving the reading and introducing the ordinance (00:39:45). Councilmember Blausdean questioned the residency affidavit requirement, parking regulations, and eligibility under ARENA (00:41:07). Councilmember Cleveland questioned the 1200 square foot requirement and its origin (00:46:53). Councilmember Huffman noted the housing element analysis of SB9 units (00:49:35). Councilmember Sobieski questioned the analysis done to determine if a different maximum threshold of sq footage would be more encouraging for lot splits (00:50:11).	Councilmember Cleveland made a motion to approve the ordinance for first reading as read into the record by the Interim Community Development Director, seconded by Councilmember Huffman (01:03:14). The motion passed with a roll call vote (01:04:40).	4 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 3 Neutral
00:56:11 McDougall was Neutral: Emphasized the importance of engaging citizens early in the process and leveraging institutional memory to facilitate smoother implementation of new legislation like SB9. They offered their assistance in informing the public, drawing from their experience with ADUs and involvement in community organizations. 00:58:41 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: Inquired whether the 32-foot height limit would remain in effect if a lot split under SB9 required a vertical buildup. 00:59:24 Mr. Chase was In Favor: Argued for the necessity of building more housing to accommodate California's growing population. He suggested implementing a vacancy tax to discourage empty properties and emphasized the importance of prioritizing human values over property values to maintain a diverse and livable city. 01:01:54 Cloris Henry was Neutral: Attempted to provide comment, but was stopped by Kelman and told to hold for the next agenda item.
01:04:59	5: BUSINESS ITEMS - 8:05 PM	The meeting is transitioning to business items.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

01:05:01	5A.): 6th Cycle Housing Element Update and Selection of Draft Opportunity Sites (Dan Hortert, Contract Community Development Director and DeNovo Planning Group) 8:05 PM	The meeting began with a presentation by Beth from DeNovo Planning Group regarding the 6th Cycle Housing Element Update and the selection of draft opportunity sites. The presentation aimed to clarify the process and the purpose of the current meeting, emphasizing that no sites were being proposed for adoption or final recommendation at this time, and that opportunity sites will be further evaluated through the housing element and environmental review process. She outlined the multiple stages of public review and input, including meetings with the City Council, Planning Commission, and Housing Element Advisory Committee (HEAC), public review periods, and town hall meetings. Beth discussed the methodology used to identify draft opportunity sites, including input from the HEAC, city staff, and the consultant team. She explained the color-coding system used in the figures, with pink shading indicating focus area sites meeting the minimum acreage requirements for very low and low-income housing and blue shading indicating sites with existing zoning capacity. She noted the removal of certain sites from consideration, such as areas within the Marin ship designated as waterfront zones, paper streets, and water-based sites. Beth presented data on the city's RHNA allocation for the sixth cycle (2023-2031), which is 724 units, broken down by income group. A 25% buffer is recommended, bringing the total to 906 units, to account for potential site removals during state and environmental reviews. The city's existing capacity, including approved projects, projected ADU units, and projected SB9 units, is estimated to accommodate 144 units. Existing capacity sites with current zoning can accommodate another 126 units. Taking all of this into account, the remaining RHNA to be met is 636 units with the buffer and 454 units without it. The presentation also addressed the state's suitability criteria for sites, including existing site conditions, realistic capacity, site size and ownership, and the need for a reasonable expectation of development. Examples of successful affordable housing projects in Sausalito were presented to illustrate appropriate densities. The council discussed property owner surveys, density and affordability, legal questions, and SB9. (01:16:15) It was clarified that the city can only control affordability on city-owned sites. (01:29:16) Beth walked the council through the staff reports neighborhood by neighborhood (01:24:24).	No Motion	10 Total: 0 In Favor 6 Against 4 Neutral
01:30:08 Pat was Neutral: Pat raised several comments, including a request that the city provide an interactive platform for residents to provide feedback. The question was raised whether property interest equals property commitment, the speaker noted. Finally there were concerns raised about enforcement, particularly when concerning low-income housing. 01:32:26 David Sudo was Neutral: Inquired who vetted properties that would require a ballot measure, and what the potential negative consequences would be should the measure fail. 01:33:50 Sandra Bushmaker was Concerned: Expressed concerns about the 25% buffer and whether identified buffer points become a vested right for development. Sandra expressed concerns with traffic traffic, congestion, noise, parking, pollution, any of those things would come along with building a high density housing. 01:34:54 Vicki Nichols was Neutral: Clarified that failure to meet the RENA number would shorten the time to complete rezoning to one year. Queried on what the environmental review will specify and how it will talk to negative environmental impacts 01:36:21 McDougall was Against: Believes that people are missing key information. No one in my neighborhood has said they wanted housing and or even intends or is interested in building housing. Stated belief that development is just not realistic. Why can't we count sites that are of right to be split and developed but we don't have any indication of whether the owner would want to develop those sites. 01:38:36 Unknown was Against: Concern about negative environmental impacts of high-density housing, such as increased traffic, congestion, noise, and pollution. Also expressed concerns about the realism of relying on SB9 units without affirmative voter interest. 02:30:46 Unknown was Against: Stated objection to tearing down City Hall to build high-density housing and requested clariifcation on the next steps after this. Queried negative environmental impacts of high density. Concerned about traffic congestion, noise, parking, and pollution 02:39:10 Unknown was Against: Objected City Hall having high density housing built and added I'm thinking that we should probably take public comment neighborhood by neighborhood. So based on the recusal and also so it pertains what we're talking about. 02:43:41 Unknown was Against: Objects to sites on the list that don't have boner interest indicated. Stated a threat may occur if the RENA number is missed: the city accrue significant penalties to the state. 02:45:51 Unknown was Against: Objects to a specific site, and notes that if The housing element must include a site specific inventory of sites where SB 9 projections are being applied to. Must include a non-vacant sites analysis demonstrating the likelihood of redevelopment and that the existing use will not constitute an impediment to development and then identify governmental constraints to the use of SB9, such as fees,

City Council Meeting Transcript

Adrian Brinton

City Council Joint Session Jan 12, 2023

Time	Speaker	Text
00:00:17.95	Unknown	We initiate our audio sequence.
00:00:22.64	Unknown	Audio sequence is thinking. Let me admit on the public.
00:00:33.22	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
00:00:37.48	Unknown	Madam Mayor, all the public is back in the room.
00:00:41.02	Kelman	Okay, great. Thank you. Well, welcome everybody. We are coming back from closed session.
00:00:45.16	Kelman	for the city council meeting for city of Sausalito on June 14th
00:00:48.33	Kelman	2022.
00:00:49.78	Kelman	We do not have any closed session announcements, so we will move right into approval of the agenda. Any comments or a motion and second?
00:01:01.71	Cleveland	make a motion to approve the agenda.
00:01:03.92	Unknown	Okay.
00:01:04.16	Unknown	Thank you.
00:01:04.24	Kelman	Like that?
00:01:05.69	Kelman	Second. Please call the roll search.
00:01:09.17	Unknown	Council Member Sobieski.
00:01:10.53	Unknown	Yes.
00:01:11.60	Unknown	Council member, please let me know.
00:01:13.12	Cleveland	here.
00:01:13.91	Unknown	Council member Hoffman.
00:01:16.91	Cleveland	Yeah.
00:01:18.25	Unknown	HERE.
00:01:19.63	Unknown	Vice Mayor Blomstein?
00:01:22.28	Unknown	Thank you.
00:01:22.30	Kelman	Yes.
00:01:22.60	Unknown	Thanks.
00:01:23.26	Unknown	And may are coming.
00:01:24.39	Kelman	Yes.
00:01:25.52	Unknown	Motion passes.
00:01:26.65	Kelman	Great, thank you. Okay, we'll go ahead and onto item one, which is special presentations and mayor's announcements. Item 1A is a proclamation of the city of South Florida to recognize, acknowledge, and observe Juneteenth day as a public holiday.
00:01:42.21	Kelman	I see we have a staff report. I don't know if city manager will be providing this or
00:01:53.19	Unknown	Mayor, I didn't anticipate putting a staff report or a public presentation together, but if you'd like me to speak to it, I can.
00:01:59.79	Kelman	Actually, I would love to say something to this. So I just want to thank
00:02:03.45	Kelman	Our community this weekend had the opportunity to attend a performance of Dr. Cindy Acker's Words That Made the Difference, Brown vs. the Board of Education, right here in Dunphy Park.
00:02:12.43	Kelman	And this performance honored Juneteenth, which is, as you know, the annual holiday commemorating the end of slavery in the United States. I want to share with everybody, we hosted this play a week before Juneteenth.
00:02:23.15	Kelman	itself so it's not conflict with the Juneteenth Festival in Marin City's Rocky Grand Park
00:02:27.52	Kelman	this upcoming Sunday, June 19th.
00:02:29.66	Kelman	And I hope everybody can attend that as well.
00:02:31.96	Kelman	But I was particularly interested that thanks to our communication director at the Chambers that we selected a play focusing on Brown for support of education. It's a really impactful and powerful way to remind ourselves that emancipation was only the beginning of the struggle to end systemic racism that continues to this day.
00:02:51.43	Kelman	And Sunday was even more meaningful because as many of you know, on that day in 1967, the Supreme Court decided Loving versus Virginia and overturned unconstitutional bans against interracial marriage.
00:03:02.52	Kelman	So we still have quite a long way to go, but I was honored to attend the play
00:03:06.40	Kelman	Welcome, Marin County Commissioner and Festival Organizer, Ashala Diana Marcus de Sausalito.
00:03:10.92	Kelman	and introduce Dr. Cindy Acker, the playwright and director of Words That Made the Difference. It was really, really an excellent performance. So huge thank you to Carly and Brian in the Parks and Rec Department who really pulled this off flawlessly on a very windy day. And of course to Abbott Chambers and our city manager for making this happen. So thank you for the opportunity just to say a few words. Any comments or questions from City Council?
00:03:37.09	Kelman	colleagues.
00:03:39.39	Kelman	Yes, please.
00:03:40.81	Huffman	I do have a bit of trivia. Thurgood Marshall was the attorney for the plaintiffs in Brown v. Board of Education. He, of course, became our first African-American Supreme Court justice. He was also the attorney for Joseph James, the civil rights case from our own marinship.
00:03:56.63	Huffman	shipyard with regards to union membership of
00:03:59.23	Huffman	African-Americans.
00:04:00.96	Huffman	great case and a great outcome and a great thing.
00:04:04.69	Huffman	Thank you.
00:04:04.75	Kelman	you
00:04:04.80	Huffman	Thank you.
00:04:04.89	Kelman	Thank you.
00:04:04.90	Huffman	Thank you.
00:04:04.97	Kelman	for that.
00:04:05.60	Kelman	I still get chills every time I watch a Supreme Court hearing. I guess that's why I went to law school, but...
00:04:10.30	Kelman	Any other comments or questions? I guess I'll open up to public comments.
00:04:16.87	Kelman	Okay, Serge, will you please let folks know how to make public comment? Oh, well, do you have questions or we'll come back up to council.
00:04:22.67	Kelman	Okay.
00:04:23.03	Blausdean	just want to make sure we're going to read the proclamation
00:04:25.48	Kelman	Absolutely.
00:04:25.86	Blausdean	Thank you.
00:04:25.93	Kelman	Yeah.
00:04:28.36	Kelman	Okay, any questions?
00:04:36.49	Unknown	Madam Mayor, my apologies. Would you like me to read how to provide public comment?
00:04:41.35	Unknown	Yes, sir. Sorry. Thank you.
00:04:43.19	Unknown	Video or audio public comment participation is submitted to two minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application and you will be called upon when is your time to speak.
00:04:53.18	Unknown	To raise your hand from the phone, press start nine and each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed.
00:04:59.55	Unknown	It looks like we do have a few commenters and
00:05:04.66	Unknown	Wonderful.
00:05:06.51	Unknown	Jacob, you're being unmuted and as we share the video.
00:05:09.49	Unknown	Great.
00:05:10.36	Kelman	Welcome, Jacob.
00:05:11.71	Kelman	Thank you.
00:05:13.16	Mr. Chase	Oh, hello, uh, hello, Madam Mayor.
00:05:16.69	Mr. Chase	What?
00:05:17.65	Mr. Chase	and city council
00:05:22.39	Mr. Chase	I just want to, we're talking about another city attorney coming on, right? Is that correct?
00:05:29.03	Kelman	No, sir. We are talking about a proclamation around Juneteenth.
00:05:34.61	Mr. Chase	Oh, yes.
00:05:36.25	Mr. Chase	What I'd like to say about that, and the city attorney, I hope, is listening as well, is that we...
00:05:43.42	Mr. Chase	have won here at Marin Ships the first civil rights victory since Thurgood Marshall.
00:05:49.26	Mr. Chase	on this waterfront. And that was the original TIO for Camp Clemarant. And even though we've lost a few battles since then,
00:05:58.98	Mr. Chase	The flag is still up.
00:06:01.07	Mr. Chase	And the battles continue.
00:06:03.47	Mr. Chase	to save
00:06:05.43	Mr. Chase	The natural anchorage of Richardson's Bay.
00:06:09.36	Mr. Chase	from becoming boat free
00:06:11.86	Mr. Chase	and to allow working people
00:06:14.22	Mr. Chase	Poor people.
00:06:16.97	Mr. Chase	African-Americans.
00:06:19.01	Mr. Chase	and Jewish radicals.
00:06:20.93	Mr. Chase	to also live in this city and not
00:06:24.06	Mr. Chase	And that's right.
00:06:25.61	Mr. Chase	An artist and artist.
00:06:28.34	Mr. Chase	to live in this beautiful
00:06:30.65	Mr. Chase	City of ours.
00:06:32.26	Mr. Chase	So thank you very much.
00:06:34.67	Kelman	Great, thank you very much. Any other public comments, Serge?
00:06:37.89	Unknown	Okay, that was...
00:06:38.86	Unknown	Madam Mayor, we have no other hands raised.
00:06:41.22	Kelman	Okay, great. Then I'm gonna bring it back up.
00:06:43.68	Kelman	to the city council and go ahead and read the proclamation.
00:06:48.17	Kelman	This is a proclamation to recognize and acknowledge and observe Juneteenth day.
00:06:53.00	Kelman	Whereas Juneteenth or Juneteenth we kind of say
00:06:56.37	Kelman	commemorates the traditional observance of the end of slavery in the United States, and is observed annually on June 19th
00:07:02.02	Kelman	And whereas President Abraham Lincoln declared that
00:07:04.77	Kelman	giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free.
00:07:08.03	Kelman	honorable alike in what we give and what we preserve.
00:07:11.32	Kelman	We shall nobly save or meanly lose the last best hope of earth.
00:07:15.64	Kelman	And whereas on January 1st, 1863, President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation
00:07:20.38	Kelman	declaring that all persons held as slaves within any state or designated part of a state
00:07:25.13	Kelman	The people wear off shall then be in rebellion against the United States.
00:07:28.54	Kelman	shall be then, thenceforward and forever free.
00:07:31.01	Kelman	And whereas President Lincoln correctly believes slavery to be in violation of the principles of the Declaration of Independence, and that its abolition represented a new birth of freedom for the United States.
00:07:39.89	Kelman	And whereas more than two years would pass before the news reached African-Americans living in Texas,
00:07:44.14	Kelman	when on June 19th, 1865,
00:07:46.59	Kelman	Union Major General Borden Granger and his regiment arrived in Galveston and spread the word that slavery had been abolished.
00:07:52.72	Kelman	And whereas the following year, the first official Juneteenth celebration took place in Texas and continued across the United States throughout the years,
00:07:59.57	Kelman	And whereas throughout our nation, Juneteenth is the oldest nationally celebrated commemoration of the ending of slavery.
00:08:05.20	Kelman	and celebrated annually as a historical and memorable tribute to our country's African American heritage.
00:08:11.45	Kelman	And whereas Juneteenth is an important opportunity to honor the principles of the Declaration of Independence and celebrate the achievements and contributions African Americans have made and continue to make in Sausalito, Marin County, California, and across our nation,
00:08:24.78	Kelman	And whereas the mayor...
00:08:26.26	Kelman	Representing the citizens of Saucyote, I am proud to join our nation in honoring Juneteenth in an effort to promote and enhance the unity and spiritual strength that brought African-Americans out of slavery and sustain their dignity and prosperity to the present day.
00:08:41.20	Kelman	Now, therefore, I do hereby proclaim June 19th, 2022,
00:08:45.10	Kelman	as Juneteenth Day, a public holiday in the city of Sausalito,
00:08:47.97	Kelman	and call upon the people of our city to join in this observance.
00:08:53.16	Kelman	Thank you everybody. Let's hear our comments. I see the vice mayor has her hand up.
00:08:58.85	Blausdean	Yeah, thank you for acknowledging and issuing the proclamation. I'm really happy to see that this is going to be not just a proclamation, but a recognized holiday that will allow us to
00:09:09.21	Blausdean	take time away from work to really think about and remember the
00:09:14.75	Blausdean	importance of this and I'm really pleased to just see it talked about it also I want to acknowledge and thank
00:09:19.81	Blausdean	Park and Rec and Abbott for the June 12th performance and I am
00:09:24.40	Blausdean	I'm really happy that we were able to put that together and encourage folks to get to Marin City on Sunday for their celebration, if at all possible.
00:09:32.67	Kelman	Thank you, Vice Mayor.
00:09:35.91	Kelman	Any other comments before we call the vote?
00:09:38.93	Kelman	on declaring the city holiday for Juneteenth.
00:09:43.28	Kelman	Okay, well then I would go ahead. I'd like to make that motion that we declare the city holiday for June 2. Do I have a second?
00:09:50.74	Kelman	Second.
00:09:51.85	Kelman	Thank you. Surgery, please call the roll.
00:09:54.17	Unknown	Council Member Sobieski.
00:09:55.43	Unknown	Yes.
00:09:56.51	Unknown	Councilman Rick-Libb at Knoll.
00:09:58.03	Kelman	Yes.
00:09:58.91	Unknown	Council Member Hoffman.
00:10:00.21	Kelman	Yes.
00:10:00.92	Unknown	Vice Mayor Blausdean.
00:10:02.60	Unknown	Thank you.
00:10:02.62	Kelman	Yes.
00:10:03.45	Unknown	and Mayor Kelman.
00:10:04.56	Kelman	Yes, thank you.
00:10:06.67	Kelman	Thank you, everybody. Let me also have two other questions.
00:10:10.04	Kelman	uh announcements i want to make um the first and chris maybe i'm going to get this the date wrong but i believe southern rind fire is going to be coming to the next planning commission meeting um and so community development department asked us to announce uh the southern fire will be there making a presentation
00:10:25.67	Kelman	And then I believe also on Monday, June 20th,
00:10:30.63	Kelman	Community Development Department is hosting an interactive session via Zoom on parklets in coordination with the chamber. So I just wanted to make sure everybody knew about that as well.
00:10:42.83	Kelman	Thank you.
00:10:43.83	Kelman	That said, we'll move on then to item number two, which is the action minutes of the previous meeting. We have two sets of meeting minutes, June 6th and June 3rd, 2022. Any changes or a motion?
00:10:57.13	Kelman	Thank you.
00:10:57.18	Cleveland	TO THE COUNTRY.
00:10:57.77	Kelman	Oh, pardon me. Pardon me. Sorry. I do believe we have to take public comment. Any comments?
00:10:57.82	Cleveland	Thank you.
00:11:03.69	Kelman	Okay, sorry, I'll hold that motion. Thank you for that. Serge, any comments on the meeting minutes?
00:11:11.03	Unknown	Madam Mayor, I see no hands raised at the moment.
00:11:13.93	Kelman	Okay, then we will close public comment and
00:11:16.21	Unknown	Right.
00:11:16.50	Kelman	Councillor Marriott, your loss.
00:11:17.92	Kelman	Make a motion again.
00:11:19.25	Kelman	Thank you.
00:11:20.67	Kelman	Second.
00:11:21.66	Kelman	Thank you.
00:11:22.79	Kelman	Serge, please call the wall.
00:11:27.08	Unknown	Council members, they'll be asking.
00:11:30.98	Unknown	Council member Lindenholz.
00:11:33.76	Cleveland	Thank you.
00:11:33.80	Unknown	Yes.
00:11:35.11	Unknown	Council member Hoffman?
00:11:36.88	Unknown	Yes.
00:11:37.63	Unknown	Vice Mayor Blausby.
00:11:39.35	Unknown	Thank you.
00:11:39.37	Kelman	Yes.
00:11:40.11	Unknown	Mayor Kellman.
00:11:41.05	Unknown	Thank you.
00:11:41.07	Kelman	Yes.
00:11:41.79	Unknown	motion passes
00:11:43.31	Kelman	Thank you. Okay, we're gonna move on to the consent calendar.
00:11:46.28	Kelman	item number three so matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial require no discussion are expected to have unanimous council support
00:11:54.49	Kelman	It may be enacted by the council in one motion. There'll be no separate discussion of consent calendar items.
00:11:59.06	Kelman	However, before the council votes on a motion to adopt the consent calendar items, council members, city staff, or members of the public may request that specific items be removed from the consent calendar for separate action.
00:12:08.78	Kelman	Items removed from the consent calendar will be discussed later on the agenda.
00:12:12.09	Kelman	and public comment will be heard on any item that was removed from the consent calendar.
00:12:15.76	Kelman	So tonight we have eight items on 3A.
00:12:18.65	Kelman	adopt a resolution authorizing an agreement for community development leadership and housing element services with four leaf
00:12:24.47	Kelman	Amendment 3B, adopted a resolution authorizing the city manager to award the construction contract for the base bid plus the bid alternative for the Safe Pathways to School Nevada Street project.
00:12:34.26	Kelman	Item 3C, accept the staff report and adopt a resolution adopting a list of projects for fiscal year 2022-23 funded by Senate Bill 1.
00:12:42.83	Kelman	Item 3D, adopt a resolution to authorize city staff to conduct transactions with the local agency investment fund.
00:12:48.38	Kelman	Thank you.
00:12:48.42	Kelman	M3E.
00:12:49.78	Kelman	Adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to approve the sole source purchase of virtual machine hosts and storage area equipment through Marin IT.
00:12:56.80	Kelman	M3F adopted a resolution authorizing the city manager to approve the sole source purchase of network switches and for
00:13:03.01	Kelman	that chases equipment through Marin IT at a cost not to exceed $172,000.
00:13:08.38	Kelman	Madam 3G adopt resolution proclaiming
00:13:10.79	Kelman	June LGBTQ plus pride month and retroactively approved to fly the rainbow flag in June. And item 3H, adopt a resolution authorizing an additional $42,384 in reserve funds
00:13:23.65	Kelman	for the landscaping and irrigation portion of the Safdie Park Improvement Project.
00:13:28.43	Kelman	Any,
00:13:31.08	Kelman	comments from council members or questions.
00:13:37.09	Kelman	I have an item that I would like to recommend we remove from consent.
00:13:42.18	Kelman	which is item 3A.
00:13:44.07	Kelman	which is the resolution authorizing agreement for community development leadership and housing element services with four leaf.
00:13:50.53	Kelman	Anybody object to a brief discussion about that contract?
00:13:56.44	Kelman	Okay.
00:13:57.47	Kelman	All right, why don't we go ahead and open public comment on consent calendar?
00:14:01.84	Kelman	items, sir.
00:14:03.60	Unknown	Madam Mayor, it looks like we do have one public commenter.
00:14:09.23	Unknown	Jacob, you're being unmuted and has to share your video.
00:14:11.80	McDougall	Great.
00:14:16.17	Mr. Chase	Thank you again. I'm going to comment on...
00:14:22.14	Mr. Chase	Three A.
00:14:23.88	Unknown	Thank you.
00:14:27.03	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
00:14:28.06	Unknown	Well,
00:14:31.95	Unknown	Thank you.
00:14:33.28	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
00:14:36.06	Mr. Chase	.
00:14:38.36	Kelman	Mr. Chase, we're going to pause you because your connection is...
00:14:39.61	Mr. Chase	because your connection is- 7,800 for a housing element in St. Louis.
00:14:49.90	Sobieski	Just a point of order, Mary, if we're pulling that item off consent, then we put it on the agenda and then we do public comment at that time, or do we take public comment now?
00:14:53.21	Kelman	Perfect.
00:14:58.29	Kelman	You are correct in that format. The item right now is to see if anybody else has comments on their consent calendar.
00:15:04.75	Kelman	Were there public comments?
00:15:07.04	Sobieski	I'm just guessing from the hands that are raised, those are comments on 3A. And so I want to direct them that way.
00:15:14.83	Kelman	Okay, Mr. Chase,
00:15:17.90	Kelman	Sounds like you are perhaps done with the public comments.
00:15:20.53	Kelman	Serge, let's move on and-
00:15:25.07	Mr. Chase	Hello?
00:15:25.81	Kelman	Yes, sir.
00:15:27.36	Mr. Chase	I'm.
00:15:27.97	Mr. Chase	Yeah, I'd like to speak on 3A, if I could.
00:15:32.00	Kelman	So as Council Member Sobieski was just explaining, we will have more in-depth conversation about that. It is coming off of consent, and we will be moving it to later in the agenda. So if you have a substantive comment about that, you will have an opportunity a little bit later this evening.
00:15:47.70	Mr. Chase	Okay, thank you.
00:15:48.79	Kelman	Okay, thank you.
00:15:49.96	Kelman	AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT
00:15:50.90	Kelman	Mr. Pierce.
00:15:55.00	Kelman	Morgan.
00:15:55.75	Kelman	There you are.
00:15:58.67	Morgan Pierce	Good evening. I hope you, I hope everybody can hear me and see me.
00:16:02.38	Morgan Pierce	I'm not sure.
00:16:03.12	Morgan Pierce	Good evening, Madam Mayor, members of council, city staff, and members of our community. My name is Morgan Pierce, and I'm president of Saucy-O-Beautiful, and I'm speaking on its behalf this evening on item 3H.
00:16:13.16	Morgan Pierce	First of all, I'd like to thank city manager, Chris Apata, director of public works, Chris McGowan, and their teams for their tireless efforts.
00:16:19.74	Morgan Pierce	and seeing this important community project to fruition.
00:16:22.33	Morgan Pierce	For generations, Southview Park has served as a recreational heart of old town.
00:16:26.38	Morgan Pierce	key witness to any report
00:16:27.50	Morgan Pierce	for picnics, play dates, and possibly first kisses.
00:16:30.66	Morgan Pierce	And we look forward to continuing to inspire generations to come.
00:16:34.64	Morgan Pierce	Today's revitalization of Southview Park is a testament to the great successes we can realize when it's also the city government
00:16:40.62	Morgan Pierce	and its citizens work together
00:16:42.19	Morgan Pierce	to improve our incredible city.
00:16:44.01	Morgan Pierce	Salsa that beautiful strongly supports the approval of this resolution so that the work at Southview Park may be completed in a timely fashion and it may continue to serve the many residents and visitors who've created wonderful memories there.
00:16:54.83	Morgan Pierce	Thank you so much.
00:16:56.78	Kelman	Thank you, Morgan.
00:16:58.72	Kelman	Any other comments on the consent calendar?
00:17:00.90	Unknown	Madam Mayor, we have no other hands raised.
00:17:03.40	Kelman	Okay, so we have a very full agenda tonight. My comments on that item are minimal, but if everybody's okay with it, I'll just move it toward the end of the agenda for tonight, unless anybody is burning desire to hear my comments on item 3A.
00:17:17.69	Kelman	Uh...
00:17:18.89	Kelman	okay so with that uh said uh would anybody like to make a motion to approve the consent calendar with uh including the removal of 3a
00:17:28.69	Cleveland	Thanks.
00:17:29.35	Cleveland	Mayor, I'm sorry, but given the length of the agenda, I'm worried that we're going to get past 10 before we hear this item. If it is quick, maybe we should just take it now.
00:17:38.35	Kelman	Yeah.
00:17:38.53	Cleveland	I would.
00:17:39.04	Cleveland	Thank you.
00:17:39.06	Kelman	Thank you.
00:17:39.22	Cleveland	Yeah, I would certainly appreciate that if everybody will indulge my... I know our Community Development Department needs...
00:17:45.11	Cleveland	to be moving forward. So maybe we should just
00:17:48.20	Cleveland	Right.
00:17:50.06	Kelman	Totally fine by me. Thank you for that. Everybody's okay.
00:17:52.84	Kelman	then we will hear that
00:17:54.68	Kelman	right after we approve the consent. So that will be item four.
00:17:58.14	Kelman	become item 4A and then we'll move SB9 down.
00:18:00.86	Kelman	So, um,
00:18:02.48	Kelman	Can I get a motion?
00:18:02.51	Cleveland	I make a motion to approve consent items B through H.
00:18:08.47	Unknown	Second.
00:18:11.40	Kelman	Please call the Royal Search.
00:18:13.11	Unknown	Council Member Sobieski?
00:18:15.17	Unknown	Council member, could we announce?
00:18:16.74	Kelman	Yes.
00:18:17.48	Unknown	Council Member Hoffman?
00:18:19.08	Kelman	Thank you.
00:18:19.10	Unknown	Yes.
00:18:19.74	Unknown	Vice Mayor Blaustein.
00:18:21.44	Kelman	Yes.
00:18:22.24	Unknown	Mayor Hellman.
00:18:23.10	Kelman	Yes, thank you very much.
00:18:24.25	Unknown	MOTION PASSES.
00:18:25.41	Kelman	Okay, great. So we're going to go ahead and move on to the, I know we pulled off of consent. This is the four-leaf contract. Thank you to my colleagues for giving me an opportunity to opine on this. So we've all been talking about the length and duration and costs associated with consultant agreements. And so I understand that this is a necessity right now. We do need to get somebody in the director role and supporting role expeditiously.
00:18:48.43	Kelman	However, I wanted to make sure that we as a community were protected in terms of
00:18:54.12	Kelman	our ongoing search for community development director, our costs associated with community development and housing element planning services and any other sort of consultant direction. And so to that end,
00:19:06.84	Kelman	I had shared with
00:19:08.58	Kelman	Dan from Four Leaf as well as our city manager, a series of red lines that included some of those provisions and some of those safeguards. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to do it until later and so you guys don't have the benefit of this. But they include things like if there are errors in the work caused by the consultant staff, the hours incurred to correct said work shall not be charged.
00:19:32.49	Kelman	It includes a more thorough description of the work to be performed by the consultant.
00:19:38.04	Kelman	uh talks about um conflict of interest uh section 12. i added language consultant acknowledges that having a staff member
00:19:46.71	Kelman	serve as a community development director creates an inherent conflict of interest and therefore the consultant certifies a staff person acting as a community development director shall to the best of the ability to make decisions that are in the best interest of the city of Sausalito
00:19:57.89	Kelman	even if those decisions are not in the interest of the consultant.
00:20:00.96	Kelman	And so my edits were really designed to better articulate our rights, protections for us, as well as outline the rules responsibilities. I have shared this with the city attorney as well.
00:20:13.87	Kelman	And again, I guess the question might be,
00:20:17.36	Kelman	whether you are amenable to
00:20:20.99	Kelman	reviewing the the edits or allowing me to submit my edits and have the city manager and city attorney opine as to what might be feasible or if none of the above I just merely wanted to put on the record that I do think that this agreement should be updated with some of those safeguards but I understand that it might not be possible at this time.
00:20:41.27	Kelman	So thank you for hearing me out.
00:20:44.49	Kelman	Any questions or comments?
00:20:47.63	Cleveland	I guess the only comment I would make is I would be amenable to having
00:20:52.54	Cleveland	.
00:20:54.84	Cleveland	and Chris make the ultimate decision
00:20:57.51	Cleveland	Mary and Chris make the decision on what edits are appropriate or not, if they are in line and as long as they're in line with your...
00:21:05.45	Cleveland	WHAT YOU JUST SAID, SO THAT WE CAN
00:21:07.73	Cleveland	move this forward if that's amenable to the
00:21:10.92	Cleveland	City Manager and City Attorney.
00:21:16.30	Kelman	And Mary, the city attorney has weighed in initially to my comments. So like I said, everybody, Dan and city manager and Mary have all seen them.
00:21:25.92	Kelman	um,
00:21:26.56	Kelman	Mary, do you want to comment or city manager?
00:21:29.97	Unknown	I would like to say something, Mayor. Thanks for your review.
00:21:33.08	Unknown	and your
00:21:35.56	Unknown	pulling of the same on the agenda since we have received a number of
00:21:39.44	Unknown	questions about the contract. I just want to say that you know we really are one factor in this agreement. Anything that we put down has to agree be agreed to by Fort Leaf.
00:21:50.15	Unknown	And so, you know, I can't speak for them, but we can certainly present what you want us to present, if in fact the Council does ask that to go forward.
00:22:01.38	Kelman	Thank you.
00:22:01.41	Mary Wagner	Mary, anything to add?
00:22:04.53	Mary Wagner	No, I think the city manager covered it. I think some of them are relatively straightforward additions, perhaps the recital indicating that the city is undertaking a search for
00:22:15.74	Mary Wagner	the permanent director and for leave and Mr. Purchard have agreed through this agreement to provide those services on an interim basis until the position is filled
00:22:27.14	Mary Wagner	And of course, the city and the consultant have the ability to terminate the contract.
00:22:31.79	Mary Wagner	I think some of the revisions to the scope of work particularly need to be reviewed and approved by 4leaf because they directly impact on how they provide their services.
00:22:43.14	Unknown	Thank you.
00:22:43.16	Kelman	Mm-hmm.
00:22:44.14	Mary Wagner	Bye.
00:22:45.45	Kelman	100% fine by me. So I accept Susan's suggestion if my colleagues are amenable to that.
00:22:53.34	Kelman	Okay.
00:22:54.28	Kelman	Great.
00:22:54.90	Kelman	Uh,
00:22:55.02	Cleveland	Yes.
00:22:55.29	Cleveland	So,
00:22:55.43	Kelman	of
00:22:57.77	Cleveland	I just wanted to ask one question for the record.
00:23:02.84	Cleveland	that the title of this item may have caused some confusion.
00:23:06.43	Cleveland	And I just wanted to clarify,
00:23:08.98	Cleveland	or ask if we could clarify that the housing element services are really
00:23:15.44	Cleveland	replacing the role of staff, of city staff
00:23:18.93	Cleveland	And this is not an addition
00:23:21.11	Cleveland	to the very expensive and extensive contract that we have with DeNovo.
00:23:26.90	Cleveland	for the actual housing element preparation. So this is just
00:23:30.36	Cleveland	having four leaf
00:23:32.20	Cleveland	act as staff support.
00:23:34.87	Cleveland	as our own staff would have done in the housing element process. Is that correct?
00:23:39.88	Unknown	That's correct, council member Cleveland knows.
00:23:42.69	Kelman	Okay, thank you.
00:23:44.05	Kelman	um
00:23:44.86	Kelman	Great clarification. Dan, did you want to add something to that?
00:23:47.74	Dan Hortert	I just wanted to confer that is correct. It's a housing policy plan or loop.
00:23:51.77	Dan Hortert	that we would basically replace
00:23:54.27	Dan Hortert	I...
00:23:56.97	Dan Hortert	Thank you.
00:23:57.01	Kelman	Yeah, and I think one of my red lines is that
00:23:59.79	Kelman	to articulate that and clarify that. So thanks for picking that up.
00:24:05.64	Kelman	Okay.
00:24:06.03	Mary Wagner	So I don't, do we need a motion, Mary? Or? We do, Madam Mayor. And if I may just make a suggestion that, you know, you move approval of the adoption of the resolution and approval of the agreement with such modifications as are agreed upon
00:24:20.92	Mary Wagner	between the city and the consultant and are subject to
00:24:24.66	Mary Wagner	the approval of the city manager and the city attorney.
00:24:27.73	Mary Wagner	And that provided that they don't impact the financial aspects of the agreement, I think was an important clarification.
00:24:33.98	Kelman	Thank you.
00:24:34.70	Kelman	Anybody, thank you for that. Anybody like to make that motion? You don't have to repeat it. Just say what she said. Madam Mayor, did we take public comment and I dismissed it?
00:24:41.98	Kelman	Oh, you know what? Thank you.
00:24:42.18	Unknown	I'm sorry.
00:24:42.26	Unknown	.
00:24:43.92	Kelman	probably what Susan's going to remind me of.
00:24:46.38	Kelman	Yeah, okay. Why don't we open up public comment? And I do see one hand up.
00:24:54.04	Unknown	Nastasya, you've been unmuted and I have to share your video.
00:24:59.05	Anastasia Saeed	Can you guys hear me? Let me try this video.
00:25:02.23	Anastasia Saeed	Hi, Council. Hi, Mayor Kellman. My name is Anastasia and I am a resident and a member of the Planning Commission and a HIAC member.
00:25:12.05	Anastasia Saeed	I first wanted to thank the consultant. Thanks to Dan for stepping in.
00:25:17.70	Anastasia Saeed	as our interim CDD. So I really want to be clear that my comments are totally general and not for any specific consultant that we're working for. I'm grateful that they're here. I think just in terms of the concept of consultant,
00:25:30.37	Anastasia Saeed	starting to
00:25:32.84	Anastasia Saeed	it's a little bit difficult to keep
00:25:35.88	Anastasia Saeed	keep going with consultants moving forward, I think there's a little bit of frustration across town.
00:25:41.44	Anastasia Saeed	just
00:25:43.10	Anastasia Saeed	We need some permanent staff. So I think it was great to hear some of your edits, Mayor Kellman, and I think to city attorney Mary Wagner's point, as long as there is a,
00:25:52.68	Anastasia Saeed	ability for us to exit
00:25:54.72	Anastasia Saeed	So we can really move forward with a strong,
00:25:59.28	Anastasia Saeed	stance on hiring somebody permanent because I can already see the knowledge that
00:26:05.12	Anastasia Saeed	Dan has built in the last few months, and he's gaining ground. And it's just disappointing to know that's all going to go out the door when the contract is over. So I think we just want to be mindful of where we're spending our money and retaining our staff and making it a great place for people to come to work, want to be part of our town, want to be part of our community.
00:26:26.57	Anastasia Saeed	and just move away from consultants. When you hear talks of furloughs or hiring freezes and police and those kinds of things, and then you see the exorbitant spend we've got with consultants, it's a little hard to swallow. So really excited to hear that there's gonna be some red lines that will give us some protections
00:26:43.76	Anastasia Saeed	if they're amenable to go through, but appreciate the protections. And just wanna say thank you for the work to the consultants and looking forward to getting some permanent staff members.
00:26:52.23	Anastasia Saeed	Thank you.
00:26:53.11	Kelman	Thank you, Commissioner Saeed.
00:26:55.09	Kelman	Any other members of the public wish to comment?
00:26:59.09	Unknown	Madam Mayor, there are no further hands raised
00:27:01.72	Kelman	Okay, we'll go ahead and close public comment. Thank you for the reminder.
00:27:05.19	Kelman	And would somebody make the motion
00:27:07.37	Mary Wagner	Thank you.
00:27:07.57	Mary Wagner	Thank you.
00:27:07.61	Kelman	Thank you.
00:27:07.67	Mary Wagner	that Mary laid out. Mayor Kelman, I apologize. I see Ms. McDougall's got a checkmark next to her name and I don't know if she was hoping to speak on this item. So apologies for interrupting. I
00:27:07.74	Kelman	THE FAMILY.
00:27:20.18	Mary Wagner	during public comment on closed session items?
00:27:22.71	Mary Wagner	Thank you.
00:27:22.74	Kelman	No.
00:27:22.85	Mary Wagner	SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
00:27:24.06	McDougall	Thank you.
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00:27:25.02	McDougall	Welcome back. Thank you for your patience.
00:27:27.62	McDougall	Oh, thank you. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you. Thank you very much.
00:27:32.53	McDougall	Thank you for acknowledging me. My God, I'm jumping up and down in my chair saying, what about me?
00:27:37.98	Unknown	I don't know.
00:27:38.32	Unknown	Thank you.
00:27:41.04	McDougall	Well, first of all, I want to say,
00:27:43.50	McDougall	The sooner we return to the real place known as the council chambers, the happier I will be and the happier I know a lot of my neighbors will be.
00:27:53.56	McDougall	THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN DO BETTER THAN A FACE-TO-FACE
00:27:57.27	McDougall	The frustrations of this technology proves that abundantly. That's number one. Number two.
00:28:03.08	McDougall	I raised in a letter that I sent in
00:28:06.40	McDougall	I don't know anyone that has actually received seven days notice on any of the council meetings
00:28:12.64	McDougall	for a long time now, I'm still looking now as I speak to you without an agenda in front of me, I never did get an agenda.
00:28:20.69	McDougall	Maybe it's somewhere in my computer and I just don't know where to find it.
00:28:24.76	McDougall	So this just speaks to this fact that you cannot represent this town
00:28:29.16	McDougall	appropriately if they cannot be in touch with you as they expect they ought to be. I am so grateful to see Mary Wagner still in the picture.
00:28:38.66	McDougall	because there's somebody that's been on the team for a while and actually contains institutional memory.
00:28:46.06	McDougall	And I'm glad to see all the new faces. I think it's wonderful.
00:28:52.47	McDougall	the lack of institutional memory is starting to prove grave, as in, you know, it's gonna kill us if we're not careful, that kind of grave.
00:29:01.18	McDougall	And I don't over dramatize this moment.
00:29:04.57	McDougall	But a half a million dollar contract for the kind of consulting work that you seek right now, all I think about is when was the last time we convened an event saying thanks to the volunteers for all the work they do in town?
00:29:18.29	McDougall	probably since before COVID. And as a result, so many of you have no idea just what kind of talent resides in this community and usually steps up when the task is needed.
00:29:30.66	McDougall	And I, in my recent letter to you, point out
00:29:34.27	McDougall	the facilities for new public
00:29:37.12	McDougall	police station, new fire station,
00:29:40.33	McDougall	That all became a labor of love for the entire town.
00:29:43.04	Unknown	Ms. McDougall, your two minutes have elapsed.
00:29:46.18	McDougall	I realize that. And I think if you ask someone like Mary Wagner,
00:29:47.45	Unknown	I think,
00:29:50.16	McDougall	to apprise you of what went on in recruiting the town, then you'll find that you don't need these very expensive consultant contracts.
00:30:00.31	McDougall	You'd
00:30:02.65	Unknown	Thank you.
00:30:03.33	Kelman	Looks like you have been muted. Ms. McDougall, thank you so much for joining us. It was a pleasure to see you. And thank you also for the written comments.
00:30:11.04	Kelman	And Mary, thank you for seeing me.
00:30:14.16	Kelman	book.
00:30:15.48	Kelman	Okay, yes, Councillor Schultz.
00:30:18.14	Sobieski	I guess since some people have brought up the cost of the contract, I'm not thrilled by it either, but it needs to be pointed out just so people know that this is a stopgap measure because of really a step backwards in our
00:30:29.69	Sobieski	planning department. Nobody, we've
00:30:32.35	Sobieski	One of the first things Chris did was to start building that department when he got here. And that was a step forward. But sometimes in life, you take one step forward and two steps back. And that is what happened in that department. Unlike, by the way, finance where things are getting better and parks and rec where things are getting better.
00:30:48.37	Sobieski	So the point of this is to say, while contract headline price is what it is, we actually don't have employees. That's why we need the consultant. So it isn't the net cost. I think when I asked Chris what the net cost is, it's not as efficient as having employees, but it's not as expensive as the headline cost is.
00:31:07.91	Sobieski	it's a little bit more expensive than if we actually had employees.
00:31:11.52	Sobieski	which is of course our goal, to move and hire those people and get that department straight.
00:31:15.86	Sobieski	But this is a stopgap to
00:31:18.49	Sobieski	to step into the breach left by a lot of recent departures.
00:31:24.19	Kelman	Thank you for that, Councilor Sibiski.
00:31:26.32	Kelman	Okay, anybody have comments or wish to make the motion?
00:31:32.31	Cleveland	I have one comment and then I'll make a motion as stated by the city attorney. I mean, I guess my only comment to some of the public comments about the importance of staff is I completely agree.
00:31:43.60	Cleveland	And I think one of the things that the turnover in the Community Development Department has highlighted is that we need to model
00:31:50.92	Cleveland	leadership and respect.
00:31:52.83	Cleveland	at both the city council level
00:31:55.12	Cleveland	at, I think,
00:31:57.08	Cleveland	I think our city manager is modeling that at our appointed boards and commissions.
00:32:01.08	Cleveland	and to really value and acknowledge the staff that we do have.
00:32:06.67	Cleveland	to make sure that they feel valued and that this Sausalito is a place that they can make a career. So I think we need to renew
00:32:14.82	Cleveland	take a look inward and move forward.
00:32:18.19	Cleveland	I
00:32:19.19	Cleveland	with some
00:32:21.08	Cleveland	clarity and leadership on that front as we rebuild our community development department. So I'd like to ask our residents also that they show respect to our staff and
00:32:32.84	Cleveland	Hopefully we can rebuild it better than ever. So with that, I'll make a motion as stated by our city attorney with the comments.
00:32:43.84	Cleveland	as we started off from the mail.
00:32:45.82	Kelman	Thank you. Do we have a second?
00:32:48.03	Kelman	So, come on.
00:32:48.85	Kelman	Great, thank you. Sergeant, please call the roll.
00:32:50.98	Unknown	Council Member Sobieski?
00:32:53.04	Unknown	Council member Rubenau.
00:32:54.39	Kelman	Yes.
00:32:55.32	Unknown	Council member Hoffman?
00:32:57.48	Kelman	Yes.
00:32:58.40	Unknown	Vice Mayor Blavsky.
00:32:59.94	Kelman	Yes.
00:33:00.60	Unknown	Mayor Kelman.
00:33:01.60	Kelman	Yes.
00:33:02.40	Unknown	Motion passes.
00:33:03.45	Kelman	Okay, thank you so much, everybody. We'll go ahead and move on now.
00:33:06.66	Kelman	to our public hearing items in 4A.
00:33:09.41	Kelman	This is the conduct of public hearing, waive the first reading and introduce ordinance number 1288 or 1288, an ordinance of the city council of the city of Sausalito amending the city of Sausalito municipal code to add a new chapter 9.70 to title nine subdivisions amending section
00:33:26.00	Kelman	10.44.080 and adding new section 10.44.350 to chapter 10.44.
00:33:32.80	Kelman	specific use requirements. I will stop trying to read the introductions very long and go ahead and hand it over to our Interim's Community Development Director, Director Horkert, welcome. Thank you for your patience.
00:33:45.07	Dan Hortert	Thank you, Mayor, members of the council. Can I share my screen, sir?
00:33:51.71	Unknown	Yes, you may.
00:33:52.84	Dan Hortert	Thank you.
00:34:02.02	Dan Hortert	Good evening, Dan Hortert, Interim Director, Community Development. This public hearing is for Senate Bill 9, known as the California Housing Opportunity and More Efficiency, or HOME Act.
00:34:14.02	Dan Hortert	Um,
00:34:16.66	Dan Hortert	This bill was signed into law by Governor Newsom, September 16th, 2021.
00:34:22.88	Dan Hortert	became effective January 1st, 2022.
00:34:27.24	Dan Hortert	Really the primary requirements that come out of it are ministerial approval,
00:34:32.42	Dan Hortert	of two dwelling units or a duplex on a single parcel and approval of a parcel map for an urban lot split on residentially zoned parcels.
00:34:44.53	Dan Hortert	On November 6th,
00:34:46.30	Dan Hortert	2021 Council adopted resolution
00:34:49.71	Dan Hortert	61-08 which was in your packet
00:34:53.73	Dan Hortert	directing the preparation of interim guidance rules and regulations to implement senate bill 9.
00:35:00.90	Dan Hortert	Council directed staff to prepare the interim guidance and provided a timeline
00:35:05.20	Dan Hortert	for presentation of the implementation ordinance.
00:35:11.31	Dan Hortert	The interim ordinance that was developed was compliant with SB 9 requirement.
00:35:16.11	Dan Hortert	It added objective design and development standards in conjunction with SB 9 statutes.
00:35:22.50	Dan Hortert	The objective standards currently in place by the city council resolution number 6059
00:35:29.66	Dan Hortert	And they will be replaced should the city council adopt ordinance 1288.
00:35:37.74	Dan Hortert	So here's a little background on the type of parcels. You may have seen this before, but I wanted to reiterate
00:35:43.46	Dan Hortert	The city has 1,022 parcels zoned single family residential.
00:35:48.59	Dan Hortert	of those R120, the largest of the three R1 lots are 65 parcels.
00:35:54.68	Dan Hortert	Um,
00:35:56.27	Dan Hortert	Of the R16 lots, there's 831 parcels. In R18, there's 126 parcels.
00:36:03.22	Dan Hortert	77 of those parcels are exempted due to being in very high
00:36:07.24	Dan Hortert	Fire severity zones leaving 945 parcels.
00:36:11.27	Dan Hortert	that may be eligible depending on its case to case basis.
00:36:15.79	Dan Hortert	that they're in a wetland or evidence of a floodplain
00:36:19.25	Dan Hortert	habitat for protected species and so forth or located in historic district there you
00:36:24.68	Dan Hortert	are not allowed in those districts.
00:36:27.35	Dan Hortert	There are no parcels counted within a historic district of those numbers above.
00:36:35.08	Dan Hortert	So the Planning Commission appointed a working group consisting of Vice Chair Junius, Commissioner Luxenberg,
00:36:41.12	Dan Hortert	in coordination with city attorney's office.
00:36:44.18	Dan Hortert	Coordination resulted in a report of the working group presented at the May 4th, 2022
00:36:49.91	Dan Hortert	Planning Commission meeting, which led to the recommendation
00:36:53.24	Dan Hortert	that city council approve the implementation ordinance 1288.
00:37:00.68	Dan Hortert	So I'll give you a little bit of the,
00:37:03.35	Dan Hortert	of the nuances of the ordinance. It follows the state mandate pretty closely with some exceptions.
00:37:11.21	Dan Hortert	The maximum 1200 square foot units may be developed as one of those exceptions.
00:37:16.47	Dan Hortert	The maximum height of the structure is 16 feet, which is pretty standard.
00:37:20.80	Dan Hortert	because of the mandated four foot side and rear setbacks by the state.
00:37:25.55	Dan Hortert	Otherwise, the maximum height of the underlying zoning, which is typically 32 feet,
00:37:30.50	Dan Hortert	if the setback standards of those districts are met. So
00:37:33.89	Dan Hortert	Those are typically five and 10 on the side and 15 and 20 on the rear.
00:37:40.10	Dan Hortert	All right.
00:37:41.45	Dan Hortert	The new ordinance also requires decks and balconies to be a minimum 15 feet from the property line.
00:37:46.78	Dan Hortert	and included in the overall footprint of the proposed structure.
00:37:51.78	Dan Hortert	And of course, this is in the state statute as well, but it precludes the ordinance from allowing for short-term rental.
00:38:03.07	Dan Hortert	Additional standards for two unit developments included in the in ordinance 1288
00:38:08.42	Dan Hortert	A structure with walls within eight feet of the property line, if it's a single story wall with windows,
00:38:14.56	Dan Hortert	It must have a solid six foot fence.
00:38:17.44	Dan Hortert	or clear story or opaque windows.
00:38:21.48	Dan Hortert	For a second story wall, for those that are sent back a little further,
00:38:25.81	Dan Hortert	Um,
00:38:27.59	Dan Hortert	it must have a clear story or opaque windows on that wall.
00:38:31.30	Dan Hortert	Um,
00:38:32.56	Dan Hortert	In addition, applicable utility and sewer connections must be met.
00:38:39.58	Dan Hortert	Sorry, I didn't flip that slide.
00:38:41.83	Dan Hortert	Urban lot splits is the other part of the SB9 ordinance.
00:38:46.57	Dan Hortert	All newly created lots shall have a minimum 20 foot frontage along public and private streets.
00:38:52.27	Dan Hortert	If a flag lot is.
00:38:54.20	Dan Hortert	developed then the frontage shall be a minimum of 10 feet
00:38:59.43	Dan Hortert	The smaller of the two resulting lots cannot be less than a minimum than 40% of the original lot size.
00:39:07.04	Dan Hortert	and it restricts dwelling units to 1200 square feet on the number of units per lot
00:39:14.43	Dan Hortert	to do.
00:39:19.26	Dan Hortert	Because of the ministerial review, projects under SB9 are exempt from CEQA,
00:39:24.78	Dan Hortert	uh processes
00:39:28.94	Dan Hortert	And so here's a little schedule.
00:39:31.14	Dan Hortert	Tonight, June 14th, City Council public hearing with the introduction and first reading of the ordinance.
00:39:36.98	Dan Hortert	It's expected that it would come back on the 28th for the second reading and adoption of the ordinance.
00:39:42.53	Dan Hortert	And then the effective date would be July 28th.
00:39:45.72	Dan Hortert	30 days after the second reading.
00:39:50.51	Dan Hortert	So staff is recommending that, and I'm gonna read this now,
00:39:54.97	Dan Hortert	waive the rating and introduce my title
00:39:57.55	Dan Hortert	ordinance only ordinance number 1288 amending the city of Sausalito municipal code to add a new chapter 9.7 to title 9 subdivisions
00:40:08.68	Dan Hortert	amending section 10.44.080 and adding a new section 10.44.350 to chapter 1044 of the specific use requirements of the zoning ordinance.
00:40:24.43	Dan Hortert	for the implementation
00:40:26.20	Dan Hortert	of government code section 65852.21
00:40:31.01	Dan Hortert	and 66411.7 related to allowing one additional primary unit and urban lot splits on residentially zoned property.
00:40:42.01	Dan Hortert	I didn't go through that too quick. I sometimes do.
00:40:47.63	Dan Hortert	both Vice Chair Junius, so I didn't see Vice Chair Junius in the audience, but I did see Commissioner Luxembourg and Sergio are both here who work diligently to get the ordinance to where it is in your packet tonight.
00:41:01.52	Dan Hortert	stand for any questions.
00:41:03.19	Kelman	Thank you, Director Hurturt. I see the vice mayor has her hand up, so let's start there.
00:41:07.64	Blausdean	Thank you. I have thank you very much for your hard work on this and also the the planning commission working group has come a long way since we heard it at legislative committee there were a lot of.
00:41:15.95	Blausdean	updates, some of which I have a few questions about. So if you look at page four of the ordinance section I with requirements for the owner of the parcel to sign an affidavit around their residency and their residency requirement or time spent in the parcel.
00:41:33.06	Blausdean	I have a couple of questions. The first would be for Mary.
00:41:36.35	Blausdean	well, perhaps Mary Ann, Dan, is this a requirement under SB 9? And the second would be, is this even legally defensible under SB 9 to require
00:41:46.15	Blausdean	I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT
00:41:48.04	Blausdean	Oh, sorry, go ahead. Sergio, I guess, would be taking that.
00:41:50.34	Mary Wagner	Thank you, Vice Mayor Blaustane. My partner, Sergio Rudin, is here this evening. He's been working on this item with
00:41:56.45	Mary Wagner	your planning staff and the planning commission so I'll let him address address that
00:42:01.58	Sergio	Yeah, so that requirement is actually straight out of the SB 9 statute.
00:42:06.54	Sergio	The statute allows us to require affidavit of owner intent with respect to occupying the parcel.
00:42:14.59	Sergio	But the city is not allowed to go any further than that.
00:42:21.56	Blausdean	So what you're saying, when you say we can't go any further than that, we can't enforce it, but we can say you have to live on the property for three years.
00:42:28.81	Blausdean	I MEAN, WE CAN'T.
00:42:29.89	Sergio	We can require an affidavit as the statute points out, you know, demonstrating that the owner at the time of submission intends to occupy the parcel for that required period of time, but the city can't actually impose a condition of approval on these projects stating that the person has to, you know,
00:42:45.81	Sergio	live in that parcel for three years.
00:42:50.41	Blausdean	Okay.
00:42:51.38	Blausdean	Okay. I was just trying to understand where that requirement came from and whether or not it had any legal...
00:42:56.78	Blausdean	because similarly with our short-term rentals where we've seen that we're getting revenue from them, even though they're, uh,
00:43:01.97	Blausdean	um not legally defense not legal i'm just wondering where that came from okay that's fine that was my first i have other questions but i'll let others go ahead
00:43:10.51	Kelman	Well, you know, Vice Mayor, I don't see any other hands up. So if you want to continue. Okay.
00:43:17.94	Blausdean	the other question was about the off-street parking spaces where it says a minimum of one off-street parking space should be provided on each parcel except no parking shall be required where the parcel meets the instances located within one half a mile of a high quality transit corridor so in Sausalito which ones are our high quality transit corridors as designated according to SB9 just so that we understand
00:43:39.59	Blausdean	for the sites.
00:43:41.53	Unknown	you
00:43:42.27	Blausdean	Or do we have a designated high transit corridor beyond where the Spencer bus station is and the ferry? Are those the only two that qualify for skipping parking? Yes.
00:43:52.16	Blausdean	given just the requirements of 1200 square feet and then the 800 square feet units, and then also including a parking lot,
00:43:58.05	Blausdean	and remaining legally defensible under SB9. I'm just wondering about that too. And did that come from the Planning Commission Working Group or is that something we added that is from the SB9 itself?
00:44:08.28	Sergio	No, that is something that is directly out of the SB 9 statute as well.
00:44:14.10	Sergio	Um...
00:44:15.28	Sergio	The SP9 statute prohibits off-street parking requirements when a parcel is located within one-half mile of
00:44:23.50	Sergio	walking distance of a high quality transit corridor as defined in a particular section of the public resources code or a major transit stop as also defined in the public resources code.
00:44:33.72	Sergio	Um,
00:44:35.09	Sergio	So there are specific requirements in the public resources code.
00:44:40.36	Sergio	with respect to
00:44:46.33	Sergio	Let me just pull up that exact definition.
00:44:51.41	Blausdean	But for the most part, we would still be able with these SB 9 properties to continue with our parking requirements as per regular, except for those within a transit corridor.
00:45:00.40	Blausdean	WITHIN A MILE, HALF A MILE.
00:45:04.03	Sergio	Yes, and I will say that at least for the purposes of SB 9, it defines a major transit stop as an existing rail or bus rapid transit station, a ferry terminal served either by bus or rail transit service, and the intersection of two or more major bus routes with a frequency of service of 15 minutes or less.
00:45:24.43	Blausdean	So that's actually a lot of town, but yeah.
00:45:27.25	Blausdean	Okay, great. Thank you. I just wanted to clarify some of those points to understand.
00:45:31.10	Blausdean	what would and would not be
00:45:33.29	Blausdean	And then I also appreciated, I just wanted to say, I know you included some information in the staff report about
00:45:38.72	Blausdean	whether or not these would be eligible under ARENA.
00:45:41.22	Blausdean	I don't think it's immediately clear, but from your legal expertise, can you just clarify what you think
00:45:47.30	Blausdean	with regards to whether these SB9 units will qualify for that?
00:45:51.14	Sergio	What I have been hearing, and I think that this might be another question you can raise in the subsequent agenda item for the housing element and discuss with the city's housing element consultant. But what I've heard through the grapevine is that generally,
00:46:04.76	Sergio	HCD does not let jurisdictions make assumptions with respect to potential development under SB9 unless there's demonstrated owner interest.
00:46:14.13	Sergio	So.
00:46:15.63	Sergio	basically jurisdictions don't just get to count the fact that they've had
00:46:19.80	Sergio	that they may get increased additional density under SB9 in their single
00:46:24.61	Sergio	family zoning districts for purposes of meeting their Reno requirements.
00:46:28.89	Blausdean	Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate it. Thanks for answering my
00:46:32.14	Blausdean	my questions.
00:46:33.91	Blausdean	Thank you.
00:46:33.97	Kelman	Thank you for that, Vice Mayor. Councilor McLevin-Nolz.
00:46:37.01	Cleveland	One comment, one question. I think in our staff report,
00:46:41.38	Cleveland	I think we're counting about 50 SB9 units, if I understood correctly. But we can ask Beth that once we get to that item.
00:46:49.79	Cleveland	And then secondly,
00:46:53.24	Cleveland	THE 1200 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE THAT CAME FROM. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S IN STATE LAW.
00:47:00.33	Cleveland	And so wondering what the theory there is
00:47:00.50	Unknown	And so,
00:47:04.97	Cleveland	I don't think that was in our interim guidance either.
00:47:08.48	Sergio	Now, this was
00:47:11.69	Sergio	based on a decision of the
00:47:14.24	Sergio	and recommendation of the Planning Commission working group and ultimately a decision of the Planning Commission. So perhaps Commissioner Luxenberg can speak to that.
00:47:25.07	Kelman	Great.
00:47:27.62	Kelman	I do recall, Councilman of Cleveland, I can't remember if it was when you were on legislative with me, but we
00:47:32.23	Kelman	had an extensive discussion about
00:47:35.16	Kelman	the size limit, do you recall that?
00:47:40.97	Cleveland	I think by the time this went, no. Well, I mean, I definitely remember discussing whether we could address size, and I thought we decided not to, and I don't think our interim guidance did. So I'm just curious where this came from.
00:47:48.21	Kelman	Uh,
00:47:56.00	Kelman	Okay, yeah, let's hear from Commissioner Luxembourg, if you don't mind, Jeffrey.
00:48:02.05	Kelman	Oh, you're on mute, though.
00:48:05.77	Luxenberg	I couldn't unmute, so now I can. Yes, what we got from the city council had an 800 square foot maximum in the original draft. We analyzed that at length and felt that that would now allow for, let's say, a two-bedroom apartment or possibly even a small three-bedroom apartment. And we felt that we should have something larger than 800 square feet. And so we came up with 1,200 square feet because that's a reasonable size for two bedrooms and possibly three-bedroom apartments. Based on the fact that it's ministerial, we felt there needed to be some sort of limit. So we felt increasing it by 50% from 800 to 1,200 and allowing two-bedroom and possibly small three-bedroom apartments Thank you. needed to be some sort of limit. So we felt increasing it by 50% from 800 to 1200 and allowing two bedroom and possibly small three bedroom apartments would solve some of the issues. And therefore we came up with the 1200 square feet, which is used in other communities.
00:49:04.87	Kelman	Thank you.
00:49:06.52	Kelman	Does that help Councilman Clevenas?
00:49:08.58	Kelman	Thank you.
00:49:08.60	Cleveland	Yeah, it helps other
00:49:10.68	Cleveland	I think we need to be considerate of decent family-sized housing.
00:49:17.38	Cleveland	I don't remember the 800 square foot. That might have been a recommendation from the legislative committee, but in any case,
00:49:24.88	Cleveland	I,
00:49:24.97	Kelman	I,
00:49:25.90	Cleveland	I'd be amenable to increasing that, but we can talk about that when we get to comments.
00:49:31.63	Kelman	Okay, thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Luxenberg. Council Member Hoffman.
00:49:35.90	Huffman	I just want to go back to the SB9 thing and call out
00:49:40.36	Huffman	for our consultant for the housing element. I know she's on the line that that's something that's going to come up. I did see some analysis in the report in the housing element.
00:49:49.00	Huffman	the long one, the 69 page one.
00:49:49.05	Unknown	Thank you.
00:49:52.05	Huffman	that there was a
00:49:53.32	Huffman	Um,
00:49:54.25	Huffman	there's a calculation of 130 units but it was the parentheses entitled, ADU and SB9 so you know I think we would want to talk about that more so.
00:50:09.38	Kelman	All right, any other questions for staff on this?
00:50:11.80	Sobieski	Yes, I did have one question for Mr. Luxembourg, if you don't mind, Mayor. Just following up on Susan's question, I get the rationale of where you got 1,200 square feet from.
00:50:11.91	Kelman	Yes, I did have one.
00:50:22.60	Sobieski	but particularly since we
00:50:26.04	Sobieski	have some motivation to try to encourage this activity to take housing pressure off of other areas in town was any analysis done in this effort by the working group
00:50:36.77	Sobieski	to see if a different
00:50:39.34	Sobieski	maximum threshold would be more encouraging for
00:50:43.76	Sobieski	lot splits in the building and housing.
00:50:47.28	Sobieski	Was that a factor in analysis?
00:50:52.58	Kelman	Yeah, Commissioner Lexington.
00:50:59.65	Kelman	You are, yeah, there you go.
00:51:00.87	Luxenberg	No, I could not because the host has to allow it to happen. We did not go through an extensive analysis of a range of square footages. We felt that that was a reasonable amount, and it's hard to know what. We did go through an analysis of, I developed some diagrams of what this would look like with different frontages and different square footages for different lots and given the lot size. So we did look at that and how it seemed to be a reasonable amount for these other districts that we were talking about, but we did not go through sort of a pro forma analysis to determine what the real estate market would bear for different costs of different land.
00:51:51.16	Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:51:51.17	Sobieski	follow-up question only is, um,
00:51:53.43	Sobieski	There are a lot of fixed costs with new construction, from permits to everything else to design. They get amortized over larger square foot, so your cost per square foot goes down with larger structures.
00:52:05.97	Sobieski	And I was just wondering if that was part of your analysis at all.
00:52:08.69	Sobieski	That was not part of the analysis, no.
00:52:10.39	Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:52:10.97	Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:52:10.99	Sobieski	THANK YOU.
00:52:11.53	Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:52:13.52	Kelman	All right, any other questions for
00:52:15.96	Kelman	COMMISSIONERS ARE STOPPING.
00:52:18.88	Kelman	Okay, so we'll go ahead. Yeah, Vice President.
00:52:21.14	Blausdean	I just had one more question also with regards to that. So my understanding was that it had to be at least 800, the structure had to be
00:52:27.99	Blausdean	no less than 800 square feet and that's why the units that the lots had to be at least 1200 and that at least that's what we had discussed in legislative committee otherwise I would have
00:52:37.21	Blausdean	probably pushed for, you know, a larger lot size or a smaller unit size. Is it any size under 800 square feet on the lot? So that, for instance, if you do a lot split and add an ADU, or if you, like, could you kind of clarify that?
00:52:50.84	Blausdean	what is and isn't allowed under that square footage
00:52:53.43	Luxenberg	You just correct it there's no there's no requirement that it happened to be a minimum of 800 square feet. If somebody wants to build a 600 square foot unit they're allowed to do that. What the law says is you can't exclude something less than 800 but it doesn't say you have to build 800. So if somebody wants to build a small takes their house and makes a small two unit development on in a single family zone. They put a 600 unit in and don't wanna do an ADU and would rather use the SB9 they're allowed to do.
00:53:27.26	Unknown	But if you're...
00:53:27.34	Sergio	Thank you.
00:53:27.36	Luxenberg	Yes.
00:53:27.73	Sergio	Thank you.
00:53:28.29	Unknown	I'm sorry, go ahead. Go ahead, Josh.
00:53:30.40	Unknown	Mr. Gio.
00:53:31.24	Sergio	All right.
00:53:32.34	Sergio	Yeah, with under SB 9, basically the minimum lot size for an urban lot split has to be at least 1,200 square feet. That's set forth in the statute. Additionally, one of the features of the statute is that
00:53:44.02	Sergio	with both urban lot splits and the two-unit residential development provision of SB9. The city is prohibited from imposing any sort of objective standards that would prohibit
00:53:55.68	Sergio	applicant from constructing up to two dwelling units on those lots that are a minimum of 800 square feet. So the commissioner is correct that there's not a minimum size requirement. It's a cap on what sort of restrictions the city can impose.
00:54:10.02	Blausdean	But we're maxing it out at 1,200, so it would be hard to put two 800 square
00:54:14.64	Blausdean	foot structures on a 1200 foot lot, wouldn't it?
00:54:18.95	Sergio	So with respect to urban log splits, basically,
00:54:24.89	Sergio	the way that the statute is
00:54:28.04	Sergio	uh create is that it creates a minimum lot size of 1200 square feet however
00:54:32.75	Sergio	you're supposed to split the lot, you know, essentially close to two and a half. So your minimum lot size in the city for most lots is going to result if you split them into lots that are bigger than 1,200 square feet on average.
00:54:46.18	Sergio	And maybe Dan can answer that.
00:54:48.97	Sergio	being our planning person for this ordinance.
00:54:53.34	Luxenberg	Actually, if I could just add quickly, just to remind the council, these are for R1 lots. An R1 lot, minimum lot size is 6,000 square feet. And there are some non-conforming lots, but in a typical 6,000-foot lot, you can go to 40% of that, and you're not getting down to 1,200 square feet. So you would be able to get two 800 square foot units in most single-family zones in the area.
00:54:53.76	Sergio	Yeah.
00:54:54.03	Sergio	Thank you.
00:55:03.72	Unknown	Yeah.
00:55:23.70	Luxenberg	depending on the configuration. But Dan, you might have other comments as well.
00:55:27.70	Dan Hortert	No, those are my sentiments exactly.
00:55:30.04	Dan Hortert	The minimum lot size is 6,000 square foot. That's why I showed that slide again.
00:55:35.16	Dan Hortert	for the $6,000, $8,000, and $20,000.
00:55:37.94	Dan Hortert	to show you the makeup of the type of lots we do have in Sausalito.
00:55:43.36	Sergio	And additionally, the state statute works that if you can't build them side by side, you have to allow to build them vertically.
00:55:51.79	Sergio	Thank you.
00:55:51.84	Kelman	So,
00:55:51.88	Sergio	up.
00:55:54.59	Kelman	Okay.
00:55:55.86	Kelman	I don't see any other hands raised from my colleagues, so go ahead and open up public comment. And I do see one hand raised.
00:56:06.97	Unknown	I'm glad you've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
00:56:11.50	Unknown	Okay.
00:56:11.98	McDougall	Can, are you able to, we hear you? Yes. Okay, can you see me or hear me or?
00:56:18.02	McDougall	We do not see you. Oh, okay. So start my video. Try that.
00:56:23.40	McDougall	Hi there. So I just wanna make one comment and that is again, repeat what I said earlier.
00:56:31.40	McDougall	THE SOONER YOU ENGAGE YOUR CITIZENS
00:56:34.93	McDougall	the better off we all will be. The remarkable amount of detail
00:56:40.73	McDougall	and minutiae that I
00:56:43.84	McDougall	for years was a regular attendee of city council meetings until recent years. And I'm accustomed to hearing the usual ebb and flow of debate and discussion. And I must say that the fact that you are being called upon to get into this level of detail at these kinds of forums is very telling
00:57:04.56	McDougall	And the sooner we reach into our institutional memory in this community, former city planners, former commissioners, planning commissioners, former other volunteers for the other types of
00:57:17.87	McDougall	commissions and
00:57:20.25	McDougall	teams that work around the town to keep it moving
00:57:23.36	McDougall	THEN THE SOONER WE CAN START PUTTING TOGETHER CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT
00:57:27.97	McDougall	things will go so much smoothly, more smoothly, if the citizens know
00:57:33.26	McDougall	WHAT IS AHEAD OF THEM? IT SOUNDS LIKE SB9
00:57:36.74	McDougall	is far more sweeping.
00:57:38.76	McDougall	And then I have an ADU and I had to come back to the city more than once, once the rules of the game changed. It forced me to,
00:57:47.66	McDougall	spend more money on my ADU.
00:57:50.07	McDougall	BUT THAT'S OKAY. IT'S A GREAT THING TO HAVE.
00:57:53.78	McDougall	The point is there's a lot of people in this town that ask a lot of questions about it with this new legislation coming down the pipeline
00:58:02.73	McDougall	THE MORE WE
00:58:03.84	McDougall	AND I'M HAPPY TO HELP OUT WITH THIS.
00:58:06.89	McDougall	Mr. City Manager, you know, I would get on the phone. I'm a Women's Club member. I'm happy to...
00:58:12.73	McDougall	talk with Sandra and others to try to get folks to come up
00:58:17.41	McDougall	COME FORWARD AND ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES, AS I'VE SEEN THEM DO OVER THE PAST YEARS.
00:58:23.28	McDougall	and not just like the other public buildings but this is citywide this affects us all
00:58:24.56	Unknown	very much.
00:58:29.81	McDougall	So thank you so much.
00:58:31.16	Kelman	Thank you.
00:58:32.49	McDougall	Thank you very much.
00:58:32.92	Kelman	I'm not.
00:58:32.97	McDougall	THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:58:33.19	Kelman	Thank you.
00:58:34.97	Unknown	Our next speaker is Sandra Bushmaker. Sandra, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
00:58:41.07	Sandra Bushmaker	I just have a quick question for staff if if a lot split occurs under SB 9
00:58:46.70	Sandra Bushmaker	And the
00:58:49.15	Sandra Bushmaker	The configuration requires a vertical buildup
00:58:52.71	Sandra Bushmaker	Does the 32 foot height limit still remain in effect?
00:58:57.20	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
00:58:59.73	Kelman	Thank you, Senator. Let's hold any discussion of that point and take additional public comment, please.
00:59:06.19	Unknown	Our next speaker is Jacob. Jacob, you're being unmuted and as to your video.
00:59:15.93	Unknown	Thank you.
00:59:16.69	Unknown	you
00:59:24.94	Mr. Chase	Hi, this is
00:59:27.34	Mr. Chase	Jeff Jacob, Jacob and Mirchem Zalman.
00:59:30.39	Mr. Chase	here at Ken Ships.
00:59:34.21	Mr. Chase	What we're talking about.
00:59:35.79	Mr. Chase	Here is
00:59:37.51	Mr. Chase	There are more people in California, and there needs to be a place for them to live.
00:59:42.20	Mr. Chase	They're here.
00:59:43.76	Mr. Chase	whether they were born,
00:59:46.29	Mr. Chase	to parents or they came from another state or another country.
00:59:50.14	Mr. Chase	They're here.
00:59:52.50	Mr. Chase	The one thing
00:59:55.49	Mr. Chase	that not building provides
00:59:58.02	Mr. Chase	is a raise in property values.
01:00:01.78	Mr. Chase	So even no matter whether Albert Einstein
01:00:06.05	Mr. Chase	or until the Hun moves in next door.
01:00:09.24	Mr. Chase	the property value will go down. Pennies, dollars, tens of dollars, hundreds, thousands,
01:00:17.07	Mr. Chase	For every person that comes in,
01:00:19.65	Mr. Chase	So what I'm looking at right now is a bet that city council institutional memory...
01:00:26.62	Mr. Chase	laid on office buildings.
01:00:29.24	Mr. Chase	They have been empty for many years now.
01:00:31.72	Mr. Chase	The parking lots are empty as well.
01:00:34.16	Mr. Chase	but
01:00:34.94	Mr. Chase	I would like for someone to carry
01:00:38.86	Mr. Chase	a vacancy tax. They're doing this in San Francisco.
01:00:42.28	Mr. Chase	and other places around the Bay Area. So places cannot be left empty. I never understood during the
01:00:49.89	Mr. Chase	depression while you would look at pictures of closed places where people were living outside and now I know
01:00:56.12	Mr. Chase	Property values.
01:00:57.91	Mr. Chase	So human values...
01:01:00.10	Mr. Chase	Must.
01:01:02.19	Mr. Chase	supersede property values or we don't have a livable city a combination of different people different colors different incomes even not a millionaire's only paradise that cannot work and it will not work and Sausalito has such a rich history
01:01:23.56	Mr. Chase	of such a variety of people that that must be kept. Thank you very much.
01:01:27.61	Kelman	Thank you very much.
01:01:30.26	Kelman	Thank you very much for your comments.
01:01:31.86	Kelman	Okay, this is again on SB9 specifically. So I see we have one more hand up.
01:01:37.56	Unknown	And Cloris Henry, you're being unmuted and I have to share your video.
01:01:49.85	Kelman	Welcome. You are on, you're muted right now.
01:01:53.63	Cloris Henry	Thank you.
01:01:54.69	Cloris Henry	My name is Cloris Henry. I'm the Chief Operating Officer for the Laissez-Français to San Francisco.
01:02:00.48	Cloris Henry	And
01:02:01.58	Cloris Henry	we built we released the buildings three four and five at 100 uptide
01:02:07.09	Cloris Henry	And we can
01:02:07.13	Kelman	And sorry to interrupt you. We're taking public comment on SB9.
01:02:11.94	Kelman	which is item 4B. So we welcome your comments.
01:02:16.14	Kelman	on this item right now. And if it's on something not on the agenda, we'll have a moment at the end of the agenda.
01:02:21.08	Cloris Henry	SB9. I will wait. Thank you.
01:02:23.24	Kelman	Thank you very much. Appreciate that.
01:02:25.99	Kelman	Okay, Serge, any other hands raised for SB9?
01:02:29.99	Unknown	Madam Mayor, there are no further hands raised.
01:02:32.26	Kelman	Okay, well, so then we will close public comment, bring it back up.
01:02:35.73	Kelman	to the council who would like to lead off.
01:02:40.96	Cleveland	I don't know how much. Oh, go ahead.
01:02:43.00	Cleveland	No.
01:02:43.93	Cleveland	I'm happy to go ahead. I was just going to say I don't know how much discussion people have, but I want to appreciate the work of the working group. And I think this carries over most of our interim guidance in a productive way.
01:02:55.47	Cleveland	I would like to keep an eye on it's it was 1200 not 1200 square feet of the lot but 1200 square foot units so I'd like to keep an eye on that and see
01:03:04.59	Cleveland	whether it's
01:03:06.61	Cleveland	worth considering expanding that at some point, but I think it's a good place to start. We can gauge the interest and maybe
01:03:12.57	Unknown	Yeah.
01:03:12.79	Unknown	Thank you.
01:03:14.61	Cleveland	look into some of the issues that Councilmember Sobieski raised. So if there aren't any other comments, I'd be happy to make the motion to approve
01:03:23.77	Cleveland	the ordinance I'm first reading as read into the record by our Interim Community Development Director.
01:03:30.07	Kelman	Thank you for that. I'm in favor of that as well, but I welcome comments from council members.
01:03:36.28	Kelman	Thank you.
01:03:36.30	Huffman	I was just going to also thank and point out the incredible talent that we had on the working group, which is
01:03:42.72	Huffman	you know, vice chair, the planning commission, Junius, who's a land use and real estate attorney for 22 years.
01:03:48.65	Huffman	in San Francisco and Commissioner Luxenberg, who's a former planning director himself,
01:03:52.85	Huffman	and holds advanced degrees in city planning from
01:03:55.45	Huffman	University of California and has 35 years of experience
01:03:58.33	Huffman	in construction project management and city planning.
01:04:01.74	Huffman	those guys do a tremendous amount of work, tremendous amount of work, you can't imagine, on this thing. And hours and hours.
01:04:08.91	Huffman	and also the
01:04:10.37	Huffman	unanimous vote from the planning commission on this draft so
01:04:13.81	Huffman	I'm ready to second.
01:04:15.61	Huffman	if that's appropriate and um thank you so much for everybody who's been working on this um sergio and the whole team
01:04:22.94	Huffman	Thank you.
01:04:23.97	Kelman	both and agree tremendous effort uh we had looked at this in legislative and so i know what heavy lift this was so thank you so much for for digging in um we do have a motion pending so we should call the roll on that uh do we have any other motions
01:04:40.35	Vicki Nichols	Okay.
01:04:40.96	Kelman	So we have a motion by Councillor Cleveland Knowles, a second by Councillor Huffman.
01:04:45.94	Kelman	can you please call the rural surgeon?
01:04:49.31	Unknown	Council member Sobieski.
01:04:50.71	Unknown	Yes.
01:04:51.57	Unknown	Councilmember Glewlin-Norz.
01:04:53.09	Kelman	Yes.
01:04:53.99	Unknown	Council Member Hoffman.
01:04:55.25	Kelman	Yes.
01:04:55.93	Unknown	Vice Mayor Blomstein.
01:04:57.43	Kelman	Yes.
01:04:58.17	Unknown	America, tell me.
01:04:59.17	Kelman	Yes, thanks very much.
01:05:01.01	Kelman	you
01:05:02.11	Kelman	Okay, great.
01:05:03.34	Kelman	Well, well done, everybody. Moving on then to business items, item 5. Item 5A is the sixth cycle housing element update and selection of draft opportunity sites we will have.
01:05:15.52	Kelman	Beth from DeNovo and Dan from Community Development Department. So I suspect I'm turning this over to Beth. Welcome. Welcome.
01:05:28.87	Beth	Good evening, Madam Mayor and members of the council. It's a pleasure to be here tonight and to
01:05:34.55	Beth	go over the draft opportunity sites with you.
01:05:34.74	Unknown	over there.
01:05:39.89	Beth	I will jump straight into my presentation here.
01:05:44.78	Kelman	Thank you.
01:05:44.83	Beth	Yes.
01:05:44.97	Kelman	Can you also just lay the
01:05:45.03	Beth	And Beth,
01:05:47.90	Kelman	lay the groundwork and provide some clarity on on what we're here doing yes yeah
01:05:51.40	Beth	Yes, yes. And my first couple of slides do exactly that. So let me just share my screen.
01:06:08.73	Beth	you
01:06:09.45	Beth	So I'm forwarding here. So the item before you is the recommendation from the city council regarding the draft opportunity sites to consider for further evaluation and the draft housing element update and in the draft environmental impact report or draft EIR that will be prepared for the draft housing element. So I would like to clarify, none of these sites are being proposed for adoption or final recommendations tonight. So we're asking for you to identify sites that will be further evaluated through the housing element and through the environmental review process. So there will be additional meetings and additional public review periods. Specifically, there will be more city council, planning commission, and housing element advisory committee or HEAC meetings to receive input on the housing element update and including the sites. And those will include the HEAC's review of the draft housing element,
01:07:02.46	Beth	Following their review, it will go out for a public review for a 30-day period where the public will be invited to comment.
01:07:09.11	Beth	Following that review period, revisions will be made to the element and will be submitted to the State Department of Housing and Community Development or HCD for a 90 day review period. And often during that period, we'll also get some more public comments. Once we get comments back from the state,
01:07:24.95	Beth	There will be revisions made to the housing element. Those will be provided to the planning commission for review at a hearing and to the city council for review. And so that will be the adoption draft housing element. And so we anticipate that there will be multiple
01:07:40.41	Beth	opportunities for additional public input and once the draft housing element is available for review we will also hold another town hall so the
01:07:49.59	Beth	Draft housing element will include a housing plan. It will include the programs and policies that the city will undertake during the eight year arena cycle.
01:07:57.66	Beth	And it will also include the inventory of sites. So we'll present that to the community to provide the community with an opportunity for input. And then we'll also have one additional town hall. We anticipate after getting the state's comments on the housing element, we've been seeing a lot of comments from the state on all of the Southern California.
01:08:14.68	Beth	housing elements they're currently just wrapping up their their sixth cycle review with the state
01:08:19.64	Beth	And so we anticipate that we will get detailed comments from the state and that it will be worthwhile to take those comments and the proposed revisions to the community so there's a clear understanding of why specific revisions are being made to the element or being recommended to the element before that document goes to the planning commission for its recommendation and then to the city council for adoption. So there will be.
01:08:41.70	Beth	you'll be seeing me again and again and again.
01:08:45.38	Beth	through this process. It's a very, very public and very detailed process.
01:08:50.19	Beth	So a lot of effort has been expended to date to identify some draft opportunity sites, the housing element advisory committee city staff and then our consultant team. Have worked together to identify a number of draft opportunity sites. So when you're looking at the figures that accompany the staff report tonight, so those would be an attachment D.
01:09:09.26	Beth	You'll see focus area sites that are shaded pink and they have a yellow outline. And so these sites are highlighted for your consideration. These meet the minimum acreage that's necessary to accommodate the very low and low income regional housing need allocation or RHNA.
01:09:25.27	Beth	There are other sites that are shown on your figures to increase capacity, and those are highlighted pink. And so those are anticipated to be rezoned to provide additional capacity
01:09:35.70	Beth	for housing development.
01:09:38.11	Beth	And those sites that are not outlined yellow but are shaded pink don't meet the minimum acreage for the very low and low-income arena, but they can be planned to accommodate single-family and small-scale multifamily uses. A portion of those may be affordable to lower-income groups, but they're not counted toward your arena due to the state's requirements and how the state counts those units. The sites that are identified in the blue shading are sites that have existing zoning and capacity to accommodate units. So without any changes to your zoning, those sites that are shaded blue already have capacity and can accommodate some growth.
01:10:13.48	Beth	based on community input,
01:10:16.23	Beth	identified that areas within the Marin ship that are designated W or the waterfront zone sites need to be removed. So those have been removed from further consideration. There were a number of paper streets in the southern area of town
01:10:29.48	Beth	Those have been removed as well. And paper streets are streets that are shown as a street on a parcel map, but haven't actually been approved as a street. So to a lot of too many communities, those look like, you know, open space or vacant land. And so they aren't really thought of as being a street, but they, they could be improved as a street based on the assessor data.
01:10:49.54	Beth	Also water water based sites so there's a lot of interest in liveaboards and houseboats and those opportunities which have been an important part of Sausalito's culture and your housing stock and those have been reviewed and current
01:11:04.61	Beth	Bay Conservation and Development Commission or BCDC regulations, they prohibit new fill and they limit the number of live aboard and houseboat berths to 10% per marina. During the fifth cycle, the city had a program in place to increase the capacity at its marinas and to legalize a number of
01:11:20.95	Beth	of the units and that the city did not have a lot of success during the fifth cycle and implementing that program so we don't really want to rely on those sites for the sixth cycle. So we'll be including a program in the housing element to really focus on getting those sites ready for the seventh cycle so you can do do your work with PCDC during the fifth cycle.
01:11:41.00	Beth	Also in developing these sites, the HIAC considered public input at each of its meetings, and then the HIAC also reviewed the community input that was provided at the two town hall meetings. So those meetings were available online for the HIAC to review, and then the HIAC also was provided with a summary of community input at the second town hall meeting.
01:12:03.27	Beth	And so there's about...
01:12:05.28	Beth	46 slides in my presentation. I think I'm going to go through about 15 of them and then have a pause and then we'll get into the city council comments. So just, there's a lot of talking. So I apologize in advance.
01:12:18.83	Beth	So,
01:12:20.40	Beth	When we're talking about accommodating the sites and the draft opportunity sites, we're really looking at what RHNA remains to be accommodated when we account for the capacity the city has with your approved projects, with projected units, and with the sites with existing capacity. So how many sites need to be rezoned to increase capacity for the full RHNA. And so when we're talking about accommodating the RHNA, we're looking at this, oh, and I apologize. Oh no, that's parts. My sixth and seventh cycle, they're spinning in my head. So we're talking about the sixth cycle RHNA, which is from 2023 through 2031.
01:12:53.69	Beth	And that's allocated by the
01:12:56.02	Beth	by ABAG.
01:12:57.54	Beth	Association of Bay Area Governments, and the city's been allocated 724 units and 200 in the very low income group, 115 in the low income group.
01:13:07.92	Beth	114 in the moderate income group
01:13:10.31	Beth	and 295 in the above moderate income group
01:13:13.82	Beth	And attachment A of the memo that you were provided does include an overview of what each of those income groups means. So what's the income associated with household sizes by income group, as well as affordable sales prices and affordable rents.
01:13:28.10	Beth	We anticipate that as the state reviews your housing element reviews the sites and as you review the sites and you review the environmental report, some of the sites may be, may be flagged to come off of the inventory. And so we're recommending that a 25% buffer, 25% or so buffer be provided to give the city some flexibility when you go through the state review and then through the environmental review process in removing sites later in the process. And so with that buffer,
01:13:56.38	Beth	we recommend identifying sites to accommodate about 906 units
01:14:02.07	Beth	So as I mentioned, the city currently does have some capacity and attachment E of your staff report describes the methodology for some of these assumptions. So we're looking at the arena that you have assigned plus the 25% buffer. And then when we consider the city's current capacity, there are approved and entitled projects. So those are developments that have received approvals, but have not yet been issued building permits or have not yet requested building permits.
01:14:29.93	Beth	And then there are also projected ADU units. So ADUs are accessory dwelling units. And we've projected based on the city's past performance about how many ADU units we anticipate during the sixth cycle.
01:14:42.74	Beth	And then we've also projected SB9 units on underutilized lots of the SB9 units you were just speaking of.
01:14:49.88	Beth	We've projected those units based on the property owner interest survey that was performed as part of the community surveys with.
01:14:58.25	Beth	let's see, a few months ago at this point. And so we've made some assumptions based on that information.
01:15:03.90	Beth	And so we anticipate between those three sources, there would be about 144 units accommodated
01:15:11.04	Beth	Looking at the city's existing capacity sites
01:15:14.03	Beth	which are sites that have current zoning in place but no approved projects. There are about 126 units that can be accommodated. And I will note that the HIAC number seven memo identified additional existing capacity sites. And when we went back through those, some of those we had anticipated property owner interest and there was not property owner interest. So we've corrected that and that's reduced the existing capacity sites by a bit.
01:15:39.35	Beth	So with all of that taken into account,
01:15:41.85	Beth	The city's remaining RHNA would wear including the 25% buffers for 636 units.
01:15:49.41	Beth	When we look at it without the buffer, the remaining arena would be 454 units. So what you would absolutely have to meet for HCD. And HCD will also look at all of our assumptions for the existing capacity sites, the ADU projections, the SB9 projections. So they will also be surveying those, looking at those in detail. So there may be some of those units may be adjusted through this process as well.
01:16:15.77	Beth	So the materials you have you've been provided identify all of the sites that were recommended by the housing element advisory committee for consideration and the housing element update process and so. You have a number of figures that show the zoning for those sites, the aerial photos, the sites by neighborhood and then some of the environmental constraints identified for the sites as well.
01:16:38.06	Beth	So when we're looking at these sites, we wanna make sure that the sites meet the state's suitability criteria. So in order to meet that,
01:16:46.05	Beth	we have to look at several several factors the existing site condition so sites that are non-vacant or underutilized which have that can have a parking lot on it any improvement
01:16:58.40	Beth	flags those sites as being non-vacant. And so HCD requires additional analysis for non-vacant sites, particularly if the city relies on
01:17:07.97	Beth	more than 50% of its very low and low income regional housing need allocation to be met through non-vacant sites.
01:17:14.95	Beth	We also have to look at the realistic capacity
01:17:17.79	Beth	The state does not allow the city to assume that sites develop at maximum density, nor does the state take into account the additional development that could occur on sites under the under state required density bonuses.
01:17:30.34	Beth	where if an affordable project comes forward and requests a density bonus, there are provisions of state law that allow those sites to develop at higher intensities.
01:17:40.45	Beth	We also look at the site size and ownership. Large sites require special programs. Smaller sites don't
01:17:47.37	Beth	meet the very low and low income arena need, but can be used to meet the moderate and above moderate. And then specifically, when we start looking at some of the site requirements for the lower income groups, we look at the size of sites that are going to be rezoned to accommodate the very low and low income arena have to be typically at least a half acre to 10 acres in size. We do have a few smaller sites that are city ownedowned that we anticipate can meet this need because the city can, of course, make a commitment that those sites will be available during the housing element period and can provide some incentives for those sites.
01:18:21.71	Beth	There has to be adequate density for affordable housing development that's assigned to those sites. And there also has to be a reasonable expectation for development. So if there are existing uses on the site, we have to reasonably assume that those uses could either be discontinued or be incorporated into a new development.
01:18:37.59	Beth	And when the state is looking at the assumptions, if you're using any assumptions for either lowered for atypical development types or smaller sites, other any special provisions, the state's going to want to see that there's a demonstrated history of successful development during the previous cycle or the fifth cycle of those types of uses.
01:19:01.97	Beth	So when we look at the city's existing affordable housing, which can give us an idea of densities that have been successful in Sausalito and accommodating very low and low income groups, the city does have three affordable housing projects, Rotary Village, B Street Housing, and Rotary Place. And those are all smaller projects. They range from about six units to 22 units in size. And those are developed at densities of about 40 to 71 units per acre.
01:19:27.40	Beth	So when we're looking at the sites for the city's regional housing need allocation for the very low and low income group. We're anticipating that those sites will need to accommodate a minimum of 25 units per acre and up to 49 to 70 units per acre to accommodate the arena and those numbers may be adjusted depending on where we end up with the final.
01:19:48.11	Beth	number of sites and sites we have identified a very
01:19:52.38	Beth	The majority of sites are in the 49 unit per acre recommendation. There are some sites in the 70 unit per acre recommendation as well.
01:20:01.39	Beth	And when we're looking at the different housing types that would occur on the sites that are identified for rezoning, there are several housing types that we're anticipating. So some smaller scale multifamily projects, projects like duplexes, fourplexes, sixplexes. And these are some examples of these scales of development that are currently in Sausalito.
01:20:20.51	Beth	The larger scale multifamily development, this can be multifamily apartments, townhomes, condominiums, and the city also has a number
01:20:27.29	Beth	of these types of uses as well.
01:20:29.50	Beth	included some examples, the terraces, the Anchorage, Point Sausalito, and a five Rodeo Drive in the city as well.
01:20:39.04	Beth	We also anticipate that a portion of these sites would be developed with mixed uses. So mixed uses are where you have
01:20:44.94	Beth	residential development either in a portion of a building or on a portion of a site and then non-residential use such as retail, office, recreational or other uses other than residential in concert with that residential use and there are multiple examples of
01:21:01.28	Beth	mixed use in Sausalito, as well as in some neighboring communities such as Mill Valley.
01:21:09.99	Beth	So cutting down to the recommendation before the council tonight, table four of the staff report recommends specific draft opportunity sites for council consideration.
01:21:22.14	Beth	And in looking at those draft opportunity sites, I wanna make sure we flag a few
01:21:27.22	Beth	So as I'd mentioned, we have the arena to be accommodated both for
01:21:33.24	Beth	with the buffer and without the buffer. And so the recommended opportunity sites would allow for about 817 units and would be adequate to meet the RHNA for all income levels. You will notice that the above moderate income number is lower than the RHNA,
01:21:48.92	Beth	But the excess capacity from these lower income levels would be affordable to the above moderate income group as well. And so we can be counted in that direction.
01:21:58.30	Beth	So those are all going to be adequate to meet the arena.
01:22:02.22	Beth	The city, however, has some constraints to development and a number of those constraints I know you're well aware of. There are sites that are subject to the fair traffic initiative, which constrains the floor area ratios and rezoning sites to allow for increased floor area ratios or densities in specific zoning categories.
01:22:23.23	Beth	And so there are also sites that require voter approval per
01:22:28.42	Beth	and
01:22:29.62	Beth	Ordinance 1128, those are the city parking sites, the MLK site.
01:22:34.48	Beth	So when we're looking at what the city's capacity is with those recommended draft opportunity sites, we also did a calculation that looks at the
01:22:42.58	Beth	opportunity sites when we remove all of the sites that require voter approval.
01:22:47.91	Beth	And that would result in 312 units accommodated on those sites. And those would not be adequate to meet the full arena. It would be adequate to meet the moderate income arena, but all of the other income levels would not be met. So we anticipate that either
01:23:04.08	Beth	the city will
01:23:05.45	Beth	need to have a ballot measure to accommodate the sites that are identified
01:23:10.85	Beth	on the sites requiring voter approval, or we will need to identify additional sites. We've come to the city pretty closely and the HEAC looked at a lot of areas. So there aren't a lot of
01:23:21.90	Beth	GEMS IN THE ROUGH, BUT IF THERE ARE, WE WOULD NEED TO IDENTIFY THOSE. OR WE WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS ON THE SITES THAT ARE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.
01:23:31.59	Beth	And that would be the most likely thing to occur, particularly to meet the very low or low income arena, because the sites that we need to use to meet those lower income groups do need to be at least a half acre and they need to accommodate a certain number of units. And so we're not going to be able to demonstrate that a bunch of small individual parcels throughout the city will be able to meet.
01:23:54.76	Beth	that arena. So,
01:23:56.26	Beth	we would anticipate really bumping up the assumed densities on a number of sites that don't require the voter approval or aren't subject to these constraints.
01:24:08.88	Beth	And with that, I'm going to now go through some of the capacity neighborhood by neighborhood. Following that, I'll break and ask for some questions. So I'll just quickly go through each of the neighborhoods.
01:24:19.04	Beth	before we get into the city council recommendations by neighborhood.
01:24:24.84	Beth	So going through and I'm starting at the southern end of the city and working toward the north in general. In Old Town and Hurricane Gulch, we've identified 45 units to increase or 40 sites to accommodate 45 units with rezoning to increase capacity. And there are also there's also existing capacity for about four units on sites in that neighborhood as well.
01:24:48.42	Beth	In the hill, we've identified
01:24:50.93	Beth	sites to accommodate about 85 units with zoning to increase capacity or rezoning to increase capacity. And there's existing capacity for about 66 units in that neighborhood. And when I'm discussing these neighborhoods, I should
01:25:04.18	Beth	mentioned also the neighborhood boundaries are based on the adopted general plan so your adopted general plan does establish specific neighborhoods in the city and so we've adhered to those boundaries in developing all of our projections and in allocating the units by neighborhood.
01:25:20.77	Beth	in the Newtown area.
01:25:22.45	Beth	We've identified sites to increase capacity to accommodate 91 units. And then there's existing capacity on sites with existing zoning for about 35 units. So about 126 units in Newtown.
01:25:37.07	Beth	in the Monte Maravista and Toyon Terraces area.
01:25:40.32	Beth	We have not identified any opportunity sites to increase capacity and have identified sites with existing capacity to accommodate about 20 units.
01:25:51.33	Beth	In the Spring Street Valley neighborhood, we've identified sites to increase capacity to accommodate 12 additional units, and then existing capacity sites that can accommodate 12 units as well for a total of 24 units.
01:25:53.81	Unknown	overhead.
01:26:07.21	Beth	In the Marin Ship neighborhood,
01:26:09.48	Beth	There aren't sites with existing capacity, but we've identified sites with the potential to increase capacity to accommodate about 193 units.
01:26:22.21	Beth	In the Nevada Street Valley area, we've also identified there aren't a lot of sites with existing capacity with existing zoning, but the sites to increase capacity would accommodate about 309 additional units.
01:26:36.74	Beth	And then in Wolfback Bridge, the existing capacity sites would accommodate about 10 units, and there are no sites identified to increase capacity. And in this neighborhood, that was due primarily to the lack of public sewer.
01:26:51.17	Beth	And so with that, I will pause and hand it back over to the mayor and to the city council.
01:26:58.19	Kelman	Thank you, Beth. That was a big lift. So thank you very, very much. And a huge thank you to my colleague, Council Member Cleveland Knowles for serving on the HEAC with me and the HEAC members, to which are planning commissioners for their hard work. And this has been a lot of work here. Can I just ask you a quick clarifying question from the slides? You talked about interest from property owners. What documentation validates interest?
01:27:26.72	Beth	So we had sent out a survey that,
01:27:30.45	Beth	So when we first went through this process, there was a community-wide survey. So we had a number of property owners respond to the survey and indicating interest in having their site rezoned to increase capacity. And then we also use that data to identify
01:27:44.07	Beth	ADU potential and SB9 potential. We also, for the non-vacant sites, we sent out several mailings. So we sent out two mailings to identify additional interest for those. And so we received, and those included a survey so that people could return, you know, respond and say they were interested or not interested. We made it really easy, just some quick check boxes. And so we've accumulated all of that information to identify the property owner interest. Once we've identified specific sites, we'll also work to further contact those property owners as well.
01:28:05.25	Unknown	I believe.
01:28:16.86	Beth	Okay.
01:28:16.98	Kelman	Okay, and then I just wanna clarify also,
01:28:18.93	Kelman	When I looked at your slides, it seemed to suggest that density is equivalent to affordability.
01:28:25.33	Kelman	I want to confirm that that is not the assumption here.
01:28:31.62	Beth	The state ties density to affordability when looking at the very low and low-income sites. So they're going to want to see specific densities accommodated. You can have affordable units on any site in the city. So we'll have sites that could accommodate ADUs. Those can likely be, you know, a number of those are going to be affordable. Similarly, some of your SB9 units will be affordable. You also may have developers who do, you know, multifamily or mixed-use housing, and those may be affordable at moderate income levels.
01:29:00.53	Beth	We'll also see some affordable units through your inclusionary housing requirements. So there are many opportunities for affordable units throughout the city. We only are counting, however, ones based on density for the state's requirements or where we've made those assumptions for ADUs or SB9 units.
01:29:16.98	Kelman	So the city can only control affordability on the city-owned sites, right? Not on a privately-owned site. Do we take that into account in...
01:29:25.81	Kelman	how we're measuring the number of affordable units.
01:29:29.05	Kelman	So,
01:29:30.03	Beth	We,
01:29:31.66	Beth	have added a portion of those sites that are identified to accommodate the very low and low to also have some moderate so there's a little cushion there so we haven't assumed that all of those sites will develop only with affordable units however
01:29:47.48	Beth	We haven't identified twice the number of sites so that if those sites don't develop with affordable units, then
01:29:54.73	Beth	you don't have to rezone. So there likely will
01:29:58.65	Beth	Be the need to keep an eye on your sites as development occurs throughout the planning period.
01:30:03.96	Kelman	Thank you.
01:30:04.54	Kelman	All right, and then let me just offer up to my fellow council members, council member,
01:30:09.75	Kelman	Sobisky and I had asked a number of legal related questions.
01:30:13.58	Kelman	uh about how development agreements might work or exactions on developers and such um the city attorney did prepare an excellent sort of q a based on some of those questions that i had noted from
01:30:26.10	Kelman	It is in your inboxes. I'm sorry to say you didn't get it sooner.
01:30:30.44	Kelman	Councilman Cleveland Knowles was on the exchanges, but everybody else did not. So he is here. Sergio is here. If we have questions, he can respond to them. And I let him know we may bring up some of those questions as well.
01:30:42.39	Kelman	Okay, so right now we're taking council member questions for staff.
01:30:47.48	Kelman	I turn it over to Council Member Cleveland.
01:30:51.55	Cleveland	Thanks. I just had a kind of procedural question. Beth, you said you had 46 slides and I'm
01:30:57.29	Cleveland	wondering what is left, just so I'm kind
01:31:01.20	Cleveland	Great question.
01:31:02.08	Cleveland	I mean, I don't think we got your presentation ahead of time. So I'm just wondering, so you've gone through pretty much all of our
01:31:07.87	Cleveland	the HIAC process, recommendations, neighborhoods,
01:31:12.07	Cleveland	What are we going to talk about after this?
01:31:14.89	Beth	So the remaining slides will take you through the recommendations of the staff report for each neighborhood. So the staff report includes recommendations and it groups the sites for each neighborhood based on potential conflict areas. And so we will go through and I can just forward quickly to an example. So, you know, for example, we'll go through Old Town Hurricane Gulch. We'll identify the sites, you know, recommended in the council and then go through each of those areas to get council feedback. So,
01:31:42.78	Beth	We are anticipating that there will be
01:31:46.07	Beth	public comment after this discussion, and then we'll go through each of those subsets of sites.
01:31:51.34	Beth	bunch by bunch to get council direction and provide public comment on each subset of sites. And those are all the additional slides.
01:31:59.76	Cleveland	Okay, so we're gonna
01:32:01.63	Cleveland	have our questions right now then we're going to take public comment and then we're going to go into kind of decision making mode and some of us will be recused from various sections of that. Is that correct?
01:32:11.93	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
01:32:13.19	Cleveland	So the main presentation is where we're just gonna, you're gonna use slides to get us.
01:32:18.03	Cleveland	Yes. Okay.
01:32:19.96	Cleveland	THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU.
01:32:21.21	Cleveland	I guess my only
01:32:23.18	Cleveland	question.
01:32:25.21	Cleveland	right now is you showed a slide that
01:32:29.43	Cleveland	The draft opportunity sites right now are about $900.
01:32:31.31	Unknown	now.
01:32:34.25	Cleveland	units.
01:32:35.36	Cleveland	that we need 800 with the buffer.
01:32:35.64	Unknown	Thank you.
01:32:35.69	Unknown	Thank you.
01:32:38.94	Cleveland	et cetera, you had kind of a,
01:32:41.90	Cleveland	I DON'T KNOW WHAT SLIDE NUMBER IT IS,
01:32:45.00	Cleveland	Am I correct?
01:32:46.27	Cleveland	that
01:32:47.52	Cleveland	if we were to move forward just with all the recommendations that you have in a bucket
01:32:52.24	Cleveland	TONIGHT.
01:32:52.58	Unknown	tonight.
01:32:53.84	Cleveland	we would have kind of a buffer on top of the buffer. So once the environmental analysis is done, we would still be able to
01:33:02.92	Cleveland	subtract
01:33:04.27	Cleveland	some universe of the sites that we've looked at.
01:33:08.05	Cleveland	that we've analyzed environmentally.
01:33:11.46	Cleveland	and still have the recommended number of
01:33:15.80	Cleveland	uh,
01:33:17.20	Cleveland	sites to move on to hcb is that correct
01:33:19.93	Beth	Thank you.
01:33:20.42	Beth	That would be our anticipation that there would be more than enough sites.
01:33:24.56	Cleveland	Okay, but if we whittle it down too much, then we will only be studying
01:33:29.96	Cleveland	THE
01:33:31.42	Cleveland	number of units that we need and I think it looked to me like it was about a hundred
01:33:36.91	Cleveland	units over
01:33:39.98	Beth	If there's a little more than 100 units over. Can you just go back? Yeah, and I can go back. There's a couple of slides. I will go to this one.
01:33:42.65	Cleveland	Can you just go back to that slide?
01:33:50.10	Beth	that.
01:33:55.20	Beth	So there's
01:33:56.43	Beth	This slide that shows the, you know, the buffer amount and then your recommended draft opportunity sites. And yes, those exceed the minimum, Rena.
01:34:07.05	Beth	and the RITA Plus buffer.
01:34:09.70	Cleveland	So the Reno plus buffer is 636. Right now we've got 817. So this will give us another bite at the apple.
01:34:18.66	Cleveland	after the environmental review to further
01:34:22.20	Cleveland	I
01:34:23.59	Cleveland	slim down our recommendations. But we've got about
01:34:26.59	Unknown	BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
01:34:30.74	Cleveland	80 units over right now?
01:34:33.62	Cleveland	Correct.
01:34:34.47	Cleveland	Yes.
01:34:35.62	Cleveland	All right.
01:34:36.07	Cleveland	Okay, thank you. That's my only question right now.
01:34:38.00	Kelman	Thank you.
01:34:38.03	Cleveland	Thank you.
01:34:39.11	Kelman	Thank you. So on my screen, it's Councilman Sobieski, then the Vice Mayor, and then Councilman Hoffman. Is that
01:34:44.02	Kelman	Accurate.
01:34:45.19	Kelman	Are you guys OK with that?
01:34:46.75	Kelman	All right, Kelsa Brzebiewski.
01:34:47.97	Sobieski	Vicky Mayer.
01:34:48.90	Sobieski	I thank you, Beth.
01:34:50.10	Sobieski	So let's talk a little bit about SB9, if you would. Just this guidance...
01:34:56.34	Sobieski	that SB9 bot split units don't count for the purpose of RHNA.
01:35:01.64	Sobieski	unless you have an affirmative
01:35:04.66	Sobieski	statement of interest from the property owner that they intend to
01:35:08.54	Sobieski	or intend or are interested in building housing.
01:35:11.81	Sobieski	Where is that guidance from and how solid is it needed?
01:35:14.85	Beth	And so this is definitely an emerging issue since SB 9 just kicked in in January and so the state is just beginning to review housing elements that are relying on SB 9 so I think it will continue to evolve and you'll probably be in one of the sets of jurisdictions that that is using SB 9 quite not heavily but using using plenty of SB 9 units so.
01:35:37.33	Beth	We anticipate that we have the property owner survey that identifies interest, so it doesn't necessarily, we used that to
01:35:45.43	Beth	identify the percentage of underutilized sites that could be developed pursuant to SB9. So we didn't specifically say we have five property owners that want to develop an SB9 site. We're only counting those five property owners. We said we have five out of 150 property owners that want to develop SB9 sites. We're going to take that, extrapolate it to the city's larger body of underutilized sites, and assume that that percentage would develop if the city affirmatively markets and identifies these opportunities. If the city encourages development of SB9 sites, we're anticipating we'll see more of those units developed.
01:36:21.05	Sobieski	Thank you.
01:36:21.10	Beth	So.
01:36:21.49	Beth	Thank you.
01:36:21.79	Sobieski	We met was
01:36:23.47	Sobieski	why can we not count sites that are of right to be split and developed
01:36:28.38	Sobieski	but we don't have any indication of whether the owner would
01:36:32.29	Sobieski	want to develop those sites.
01:36:34.30	Beth	why can't you count those?
01:36:35.61	Sobieski	Thank you.
01:36:36.54	Beth	Because the state wants to see sites that are realistic. And so they're not anticipating that every site that has the ability to be developed would be developed during the sixth cycle.
01:36:45.62	Sobieski	I'm just trying to understand where that guidance is from. Is that in a legal opinion from HCD? Is it from the...
01:36:52.29	Sobieski	San Francisco Chronicle, what's the source of that and the guidance of it?
01:36:56.91	Beth	And let me actually pull up just really quickly what the SB9 guidance specifically
01:36:57.20	Sobieski	Let me, let me.
01:37:02.95	Beth	is because it's very, there's brief guidance by the state and it's not very detailed at this point, but there is an SB9 fact sheet that was published by the state.
01:37:15.25	Beth	Let me just pop that up and
01:37:17.60	Beth	identify exactly what that says versus what
01:37:20.50	Beth	Our other assumptions have been
01:37:25.06	Beth	And so
01:37:26.88	Beth	to use projections toward SB9
01:37:29.63	Beth	the state's requiring, and this is a fact sheet issued by the state. Would you like me to
01:37:32.45	Sobieski	issued by the Senate.
01:37:35.12	Sobieski	Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were trying to show us. If you're going to read it, that's fine.
01:37:37.78	Beth	I'll just read it.
01:37:40.26	Beth	So the housing element must include a site specific inventory of sites where SB 9 projections are being applied.
01:37:47.27	Beth	must include a non-vacant sites analysis demonstrating the likelihood of redevelopment and that the existing use will not constitute an impediment to development, and then identify governmental constraints to the use of SB9, such as fees,
01:38:00.77	Beth	land use requirements, zoning, your objective design standards that will likely be adopted right around the time of the housing element or a bit before, and then also include programs and policies that establish zoning and development standards. So there's
01:38:03.01	Unknown	Thank you.
01:38:03.43	Unknown	of,
01:38:13.84	Beth	There's not a specific requirement that you have to limit it
01:38:17.44	Beth	in the state's fact sheet that you have to limit it based on property owner interest. But when the state has been reviewing elements, they have not been identifying that it's realistic
01:38:27.77	Beth	to assume development of a higher rate than where you can identify interest.
01:38:34.23	Beth	So,
01:38:36.09	Sobieski	Okay, and-. Based on practice, and is that practice what you're seeing in Southern California or somewhere else?
01:38:43.27	Beth	That's what we're seeing in Southern California.
01:38:45.28	Sobieski	in that they're not getting HCD confirmation of their housing owner plans if they rely too heavily
01:38:51.51	Sobieski	SB 9 without affirmative voter interest is what you're saying?
01:38:55.41	Beth	without our interest or without documenting why it's reasonable to assume a higher number of SB-9 units.
01:38:55.71	Sobieski	All right.
01:39:03.03	Sobieski	Thank you.
01:39:04.72	Sobieski	but it's not affirmatively stated in that fact sheet that you just said.
01:39:08.67	Beth	Correct.
01:39:09.23	Sobieski	Thank you.
01:39:10.22	Sobieski	Thank you.
01:39:10.97	Sobieski	So tell me what happens next in this. We're actually deciding today, there's not a small number of people who are judging from all the letters we've received who believe that in today's meeting, we're actually voting to tear down City Hall and build a high density house.
01:39:24.03	Sobieski	Can you please clarify exactly what
01:39:27.06	Sobieski	This is, you said earlier that we are improving a site for you to do some more work on.
01:39:32.99	Sobieski	And I believe that some more work is an environmental review.
01:39:36.73	Sobieski	and that's the main work product is you're gonna do environmental review on a couple of these sites, on all of these sites. But what is that environmental review? What's the work product that comes out of it?
01:39:47.05	Beth	It will be a programmatic environmental impact report or EIR. So it will be, you already have your programmatic EIR prepared for the general plan update. So it'll be something similar to that that looks now at the increased capacity of your general plan with these additional sites that would be
01:40:03.60	Beth	associated with the housing element update. So there will be the EIR. There will also be an actual draft housing element document that will include a lot of
01:40:12.05	Beth	population demographic data, housing data. It will include a review of your fifth cycle housing element and its implementation and a discussion of how
01:40:20.85	Beth	the
01:40:21.91	Beth	how fair housing issues affect the city and then how the sites that are selected either improve or don't improve fair housing or affirmatively furthering fair housing. So you'll have two documents.
01:40:33.60	Sobieski	if there's any of that environmental review of,
01:40:36.32	Sobieski	specify and talk to the negative environmental impacts of let's say a high density housing and location x
01:40:44.67	Sobieski	Traffic.
01:40:45.48	Sobieski	congestion,
01:40:46.65	Sobieski	noise, parking,
01:40:49.13	Sobieski	pollution, any of those things.
01:40:51.29	Beth	So we won't necessarily go parcel by part, much like the general plan EIR didn't go parcel by parcel through the city. We'll look at the sites more collectively where there will be various environmental issues that will be associated with sites of a certain type or in certain locations. So we'll definitely discuss it.
01:41:09.14	Beth	environmental issues by location, but we won't necessarily analyze each site by, you know, having a specific analysis for each site.
01:41:17.36	Sobieski	THAT'S THE CASE.
01:41:18.03	Cleveland	Thank you.
01:41:18.64	Sobieski	I hate that.
01:41:19.40	Cleveland	Can I just interrupt? I think this would be relevant to Councilmember Sobieski's
01:41:25.24	Cleveland	question. I think you told us at the HIEC meeting that you had the budget for
01:41:30.66	Cleveland	I think it was six, but it might've been eight kind of mock-ups of different sites.
01:41:36.51	Cleveland	that would also be able to accompany the review. Maybe you could just talk a little bit about that budget.
01:41:42.91	Beth	Yes, and so we initially had a budget for doing some visualizations, and I believe it was six sites.
01:41:50.84	Beth	We've put that aside, however, because through the odds project, OptiCoast, the city is now working with OptiCoast and they will be doing the visualizations for six sites. And then we're also getting two visualizations through the Marin County effort. So we won't be tapping into all of that additional. We had a contingency budget for some of that visualization. So we won't be tapping into that. Those will be developed, but you will have
01:42:14.94	Beth	for eight sites, two different firms preparing visualizations. So we'll take examples of sites that are steeply sloped sites, sites with specific sites in flatter areas, sites that are sensitive where we've heard a lot of community input, and we will be getting examples of what the recommended housing types would look like on those sites.
01:42:36.01	Sobieski	Okay, but for a particular site, let's pick on City Hall since I mentioned it, and it's much beloved and there's a lot of concern about it.
01:42:43.57	Sobieski	You could imagine one, you imagine no development of course. You could imagine
01:42:49.09	Sobieski	14 townhouses over underground parking just in the parking lot.
01:42:54.27	Sobieski	And you could also imagine tearing the whole thing down and building the high density housing that's shown up in a couple of illustrations. Are you going to look at?
01:43:02.44	Sobieski	those two different kinds of implementations, or is it
01:43:05.90	Sobieski	and the environmental impacts thereof, both to the community and otherwise? Or are you looking just at, let's say, one of those ideas?
01:43:13.36	Beth	We will be looking at
01:43:16.53	Beth	So,
01:43:17.83	Beth	The housing element doesn't entitle any projects and it doesn't have any specific development projects associated with it. So the housing element in and of itself won't result in development of City Hall. So it will create the path forward for the city to allow for development of the City Hall site should the city include that site. So we won't be assessing a specific development at City Hall, but we will be looking at what would the environmental implications be of allowing, say, 3750 additional units at City Hall. So we'll be looking at kind of a more general
01:43:41.45	Unknown	THE CITY.
01:43:51.44	Beth	general approach. We may end up looking at several, and this really depends on when we get to the alternatives analysis,
01:43:58.73	Beth	We'll be looking at the development associated with the recommended rezoning. So for City Hall, it would be a mixed use. And it could be a replacement of City Hall, or it could be something where you have additional development occur on your existing City Hall site, say replace the parking or, you know, be podium style housing above parking. So there could be several different iterations. And so we'll have to look at our assumptions when we're going into the environmental impact report process to make sure that we have appropriate assumptions in place and then we also can look at alternatives so for
01:44:32.08	Beth	Various sites, we can look at reducing density, we can look at an alternative that removes some of the sites and we can look at how that affects the overall environmental effects of housing element adoption.
01:44:43.17	Sobieski	Okay, let me say back to what I think your answer was, is you're actually gonna look at a range of options versus many of these sites?
01:44:49.46	Sobieski	from low density to high density to low density to high density, I guess.
01:44:54.68	Beth	We'll be looking at the recommended density. And then through the alternatives, we may look at alternative options to some of the sites. Some of the sites we may not, though. So there may be alternatives to sites that are reviewed through the alternatives in the EIR. So typically, the alternatives analysis of the EIR is intended to reduce significant environmental impacts. So where we identify significant and avoidable impacts through the environmental analysis, will be targeting sites or changes to those sites that could reduce those environmental impacts. So where we identify significant and avoidable impacts through the environmental analysis, we'll be targeting sites or changes to those sites that could reduce those environmental impacts.
01:45:25.30	Sobieski	I'm sorry to belabor it, but I'm still confused as to how this process works going forward.
01:45:29.73	Sobieski	again, have a site where
01:45:31.72	Sobieski	you know, the nominal use is very high density has a huge impact that's going to have
01:45:36.26	Sobieski	very different environmental. First off, you said you're not doing site by site environmental assessment. So how are you?
01:45:41.84	Sobieski	assessing whether it has huge environmental impact.
01:45:44.51	Sobieski	And then if you haven't done that work, how can you
01:45:48.19	Sobieski	even begin to talk about having less of the thing you didn't measure.
01:45:52.69	Beth	So it's a complicated question when you look at programmatic EIR. So this will be much like your general plan EIR, where you had a number of sites that had changes to density or changes to what kind of growth could occur, but you didn't necessarily analyze those site by site. So for traffic, you looked at traffic community-wide, and you looked at how would traffic be affected. In the case of, you know, now that we're in the era where we're looking at VMT, we'll be looking at the, you know, VMT, vehicle miles traveled analysis. And then we can pull out an individual site. So when we work
01:45:58.75	Unknown	See you.
01:46:25.51	Beth	with the traffic consultant to identify alternatives, we will work with them to identify, okay, are there any sites that are triggering any, if we have VMT impacts, are there sites that are triggering those impacts and how can we address that?
01:46:38.34	Sobieski	Thank you.
01:46:38.78	Sobieski	Why is the post office site on the list if it's not owned in the
01:46:42.78	Sobieski	The first master didn't say he wants to develop housing, so why is it a site?
01:46:47.05	Beth	So that one was actually removed from the recommended sites list. We'll go through that because we didn't get any feedback from the post office. That would be a site, however, where I know the city has worked in the past with the postmaster to identify the potential to develop that site that you could you could recommend to keep on the list and we can keep working with them. But.
01:47:07.06	Beth	There are going to be many sites on the HEAC recommended list included many sites where we did not confirm property owner interest. They cast a broad net
01:47:14.03	Sobieski	owner.
01:47:14.50	Sobieski	Right.
01:47:16.70	Beth	And so that's why we have a lot of those sites.
01:47:19.06	Sobieski	So we have sites on the list that don't have boner interest indicated. That's also interesting to hear. So what happens if we just...
01:47:26.21	Sobieski	help confirm for me. If we missed our RENA number,
01:47:30.33	Sobieski	December comes, January comes, we don't have a housing element that's certified base CD.
01:47:35.58	Sobieski	we don't identify enough sites.
01:47:37.98	Sobieski	What happens in February and March? Is it anything bad happen?
01:47:42.62	Beth	Typically not. Most of the Southern California cities don't have a certified housing element. Those were due in October. So, so far nothing bad has happened.
01:47:53.62	Beth	conceptually and I'll let the city attorney chime in, you know, you could be sued for not accommodating your fair share of housing.
01:48:01.15	Beth	But in the short term, HCD realizes that this is a difficult process and
01:48:06.51	Beth	you won't have anything happen right away.
01:48:09.13	Sobieski	What happens longer term?
01:48:11.14	Sobieski	What's the threat? Why do we care?
01:48:14.58	Beth	So say two years into the cycle, you haven't adopted a housing element, then you're very much at risk of either having the state attorney general. The state has developed a task force to
01:48:26.83	Beth	encourage and enforce housing element compliance. And so you could be targeted by them and you could be subject to, and I see Sergio, I will let Sergio take over.
01:48:38.61	Sergio	Yeah, so, you know, there are a number of penalties that may kick in if you fail to meet the required deadlines. And the first penalty is to accrue if...
01:48:50.71	Sergio	HCD certification is not in place by May 31st of 2023.
01:48:56.09	Sergio	basically
01:48:58.42	Sergio	as part of your housing element,
01:49:01.32	Sergio	You know, typically there's a program for rezoning if you don't have existing sites and you normally have three years to complete that process of rezoning. If you fail to meet timely certification requirements, basically the time frame for completing your rezoning gets shortened to one year.
01:49:16.54	Sergio	Um...
01:49:17.99	Sergio	Additionally, one of the more meaningful impacts is basically
01:49:23.41	Sergio	either the attorney general, a developer, a housing advocate group, or even potential residents of the city can sue the city seeking a writ to compel the city to adopt a housing entitlement that's in substantial compliance with state law.
01:49:36.15	Sergio	Um,
01:49:38.28	Sergio	Now, additionally,
01:49:41.11	Sergio	The court can order a variety of remedies, which include suspending the city's ability to issue building permits, approve zoning changes, variances, or subdivision maps, basically, until a compliant housing element is adopted. Additionally, there's potential imposition of attorney's fees for any successful litigants, so these are pretty sizable requirements. Lastly, there are provisions in the state law that basically subject the city to monetary penalties for refusing to comply with court orders requiring
01:50:13.02	Sergio	compliance with the state housing laws.
01:50:15.60	Sergio	basically you can start accruing significant penalties to the state.
01:50:19.42	Sobieski	My last question is maybe for you, Sergei, or Beth, whoever wants to answer it.
01:50:24.58	Sobieski	I think you get a step forward. We get a certified housing element.
01:50:28.78	Sobieski	It identifies the requisite number of 800 units.
01:50:32.58	Sobieski	The city doesn't build housing, of course. All we do is provide the environment for housing to be built.
01:50:37.66	Sobieski	What if it so happens that even though we've identified 800 units to be built, only 50 get built after four years, five years, six years?
01:50:47.70	Sobieski	Um,
01:50:48.51	Sobieski	my understanding is that there are some very substantial penalties that accrue if we don't actually build
01:50:54.13	Sobieski	the housing that we're required to build.
01:50:56.66	Sobieski	Can you please?
01:50:57.99	Sobieski	confirm if that's true and if so what are those penalties
01:51:03.46	Sobieski	either of you.
01:51:05.54	Beth	I would say one of the primary penalties in this, the city is currently experiencing this with SB 35 is if you're not meeting your prorated share of their regional housing need allocation, then the city is required to allow development projects by right and only, only subject to.
01:51:24.02	Beth	Subject or objective objective design and development standards and so this the city currently has several SB 35 projects and so if you're not accommodating your fair share that would be the first step. If you're developing a lot of uses on your sites identified to accommodate your arena.
01:51:40.74	Beth	Then when you go to do your seventh cycle, you're going to have a really hard time demonstrating how you complied with your sixth cycle plan to accommodate the arena. Yeah.
01:51:51.32	Sergio	Yes, so yeah, HCD does keep track throughout the course of the housing element as a result of reports the city's required by housing element law to submit.
01:52:00.62	Sergio	I think that touched on one of the big...
01:52:04.87	Sergio	potential penalties. I think one of the other issues is that if you are allowing developments, and this is one of the reasons why the buffer is important, is if you're allowing development on sites identified in the arena or in the site's inventory for a specific amount of density, and you're approving development at much lower densities, if you don't have that buffer, state law may require you to complete additional rezonings in the city to ensure that you maintain that capacity for other developments, so.
01:52:33.88	Sergio	Those...
01:52:33.91	Sobieski	I'll ask you to rip off of the mayor's question about affordable housing and density. So the presumption in the
01:52:42.42	Sobieski	the
01:52:42.97	Sobieski	the maps I've seen is that affordable housing has to be dense and often, if not exclusively on city owned property because of the economics they're in. But did you look at the potential trade off of
01:52:55.14	Sobieski	When you upzone private property to a more valuable use, you create value which could, as could in exchange for that upzoning, be carved back as a subsidy, which could be used for more,
01:53:07.75	Sobieski	spread out smaller affordable housing units that of course don't pencil out in the particular location on private property, but would be subsidized by the increase in value that we are
01:53:18.55	Sobieski	providing by upzoning private parcels for higher and better use?
01:53:25.26	Beth	No, the closest thing the city has to capturing that is your inclusionary housing requirement, which would ensure the development of those parcels includes an affordable component. And you can also have, you know, a more stringent inclusionary requirement. You could also have an affordable housing fee where you have a
01:53:43.82	Beth	AB 1600 nexus fee that requires each market rate development to pay its fair share of affordable housing needs. But no, we didn't we didn't include a fiscal mechanism to to collect the benefit to the owner and distribute that to affordable units throughout the city.
01:54:00.60	Sergio	Thank you.
01:54:02.49	Sergio	Yeah, and as Beth touched on, usually the most legally defensible and constitutionally permissible way to do that is by the general imposition of an affordable housing requirement city-wide that is triggered based on, say, a percentage of the number of units that are constructed or, say, affordable housing linkage fees that apply to all development. So, of course, if someone is allowed to develop more on a particular parcel as a result of upzoning, then they would have to pay more as a result of having a bigger project, if that makes sense.
01:54:31.63	Kelman	So, so sort of just to put another way, we cannot exact a fee for upzoning.
01:54:36.24	Sergio	Generally, no.
01:54:38.72	Sergio	Not for that specifically.
01:54:40.31	Sobieski	Well, I'm sorry, but I just have to ask then, the whole
01:54:45.35	Sobieski	CD, what is it? Community Development Agreement, CDA. I thought that's whole, the whole premise of that was to abstract public benefit in exchange for
01:54:53.62	Sobieski	um,
01:54:54.94	Sobieski	for deals you do with private developers. Land swaps, public benefits, like,
01:54:59.59	Sobieski	the
01:54:59.93	Sobieski	building infrastructure.
01:55:01.57	Sobieski	subsidies of one kind or another. So surely you could upzone one property and
01:55:06.78	Sobieski	and require that owner to build a certain number of affordable units, for instance, on his property or buy an adjacent property and build affordable units, no, as part of the CDA?
01:55:17.60	Sergio	Um, that depends. I think a lot of the authority to do those types of things were under formal redevelopment law and with the dissolution of development agencies and redevelopment agencies, a lot of those tools went by the wayside.
01:55:31.27	Sergio	But it depends on exactly who owns the parcel and the property
01:55:35.64	Sergio	with respect to the
01:55:38.57	Sergio	you know,
01:55:41.23	Sergio	redevelopment there are there are some tools that can be used
01:55:46.44	Sergio	And it depends on whether or not you're creating an upzoning as a matter of
01:55:50.15	Sergio	Just general right, for example, in order to meet the city's Reno requirements, you'd have to be completing rezoning. It'd be difficult to extract concessions or exactions because you would be doing that zoning regardless of whether or not that person wanted it.
01:56:05.17	Sergio	if that makes sense.
01:56:06.71	Sobieski	Thank you.
01:56:06.94	Sergio	Thank you.
01:56:07.04	Sobieski	Bows already at the panel.
01:56:07.97	Sergio	that.
01:56:08.04	Sobieski	So.
01:56:09.35	Kelman	And Sergio, didn't you also explain today that the council members have this
01:56:13.17	Kelman	that the city likely wouldn't have authority to require exactions for development beyond mitigating impacts of a particular proposed project.
01:56:19.50	Kelman	and talked about the Nolan Dole Doctrine.
01:56:22.37	Kelman	a governmental exaction imposed must have a nexus. And so that adds to the complexity is that
01:56:29.17	Kelman	Is that accurate?
01:56:30.10	Sergio	Yes, yeah, basically there are constitutional limits on what sort of exactions that the city can impose on development. And yes, they do generally need to have a constitutional nexus to...
01:56:41.94	Sergio	Um, you know,
01:56:43.83	Sergio	whatever you're exacting needs to have an access to what the impacts of the project are. And it has to be a reasonable
01:56:51.17	Sergio	exaction and can't be disproportionate to the impacts of development. So, you know, the city can require developers to pay for their fair share of
01:56:57.85	Sergio	you know, utility improvements, sewer, water infrastructure, you know, road impacts and things like that. You know, if you need to construct new...
01:57:08.28	Sergio	public projects or facilities to serve that development
01:57:11.84	Sergio	typically that development has to pay at least a share of it.
01:57:14.56	Sergio	Yeah.
01:57:15.45	Sergio	that development is going to be the only one served by that, then they can pay. City can typically require the developer to pay for all of it.
01:57:22.26	Cleveland	Thank you.
01:57:22.27	Sergio	So.
01:57:22.29	Cleveland	That's all outside the development agreement context.
01:57:25.14	Sergio	Yes.
01:57:25.56	Cleveland	Law applies, yeah.
01:57:27.59	Kelman	Let's take a pause for a second and let's move to another council member and then we can circle back if there's more questions on this. So why don't we move to the vice mayor?
01:57:36.30	Blausdean	Thank you. And those were a lot of really great questions, Councilmember Sobieski. So I'm quite glad that you had so many and you covered some of my questions as well.
01:57:43.20	Blausdean	I'm not.
01:57:44.16	Blausdean	I really appreciate how much work has gone into this, and especially I really want to thank all the members of the HIAC and the mayor and Councilmember Cleveland Knowles for the additional time you've spent on all of these sites and all of the meetings. Some of those meetings are six hours long.
01:57:55.97	Blausdean	So it's been a lot of work and effort.
01:57:58.33	Blausdean	I was reading the first couple, I mean, I went through the 65-page staff report
01:58:03.52	Blausdean	And I had a couple of questions and concerns.
01:58:07.28	Blausdean	AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
01:58:08.31	Blausdean	Frankly, it was quite frustrating that the sites were written with numbers without specific names for each of the sites for some of the feedback. And so I ended up going through a table and actually writing down each of the numbers for the sites. And so I'm just I hope members of the public were able to follow along and we'll get to it piece by piece so that it's a little more understandable. But in going through it, I was surprised to see that your recommendation is to remove some of the sites, some of the draft opportunity sites, because of the scope of work. I went back. Is that because we just don't have it within our existing community?
01:58:41.97	Blausdean	contract with DeNovo because I went back through our contract to try and see what the scope was to better understand because I'm at a loss for why if we
01:58:50.87	Blausdean	maybe have 887 units, including the 130 SB9 units, we would want to decrease the opportunity sites.
01:58:58.68	Beth	That was mainly the focus of our recommendation is we do want to stay, you know, we don't want to come back and ask for more money and take more time out of the process. So there are a number of sites where we didn't have property owner interest. And I can provide some information on why some of the sites were removed. We anticipate that they'll be less likely to develop. They aren't sites that would necessarily meet your lower income arena.
01:59:20.47	Beth	I'm not sure.
01:59:21.43	Beth	The traffic consultant was very specific when they made their assumptions that they were looking at 20 sites and we're going to be asking them to look at a lot more than 20. So we're hoping to already get some additional work out of them. So we really tried to winnow it down so that sites that we don't really anticipate will move toward your
01:59:40.07	Beth	your six cycle arena or be really significant that those aren't being
01:59:43.80	Beth	evaluated.
01:59:46.03	Beth	And we also, oh, go on. No, go ahead.
01:59:48.98	Beth	And I could go out all night about housing.
01:59:51.73	Beth	But we also anticipate that this housing element will really include a more robust program to look toward the seventh cycle. So there are a lot of sites that have been identified that might have additional capacity and so that you can really
02:00:04.68	Beth	develop some
02:00:06.74	Beth	community-wide strategies for accommodating housing by looking at some of those sites and looking at those in context of the sites that end up being approved for this element as well.
02:00:17.30	Blausdean	But from what I'm seeing in the staff report, even though we have a recommended units that barely reached the threshold, you're asking us to remove some of them.
02:00:26.01	Beth	And some of those are sites that accommodate just a couple of units. And you may want to put those back in. And that is absolutely fine if you want to do that. But there were, let me pop up the table that goes through those sites that might actually help here.
02:00:45.13	Blausdean	I mean, I was trying to also in regards to that, you know, some of them do only have, and this is, again, I had to go back through.
02:00:51.39	Blausdean	and see which parcels had how many units and what the names of the units were. And one of them like had one unit and it's one that we'll discuss. Like it's one parcel with one unit.
02:01:00.60	Blausdean	And so
02:01:02.34	Blausdean	if that's what you're looking for for us tonight to remove some of those then that should be a little more clear but i i guess i'm wondering about about the
02:01:11.65	Blausdean	the process given that we need to have all of these sites and we need to have that buffer and we can't include SB 9.
02:01:18.27	Blausdean	Are you asking us to remove them because within our scope of DeNovo's contract, we
02:01:23.69	Blausdean	can't review all of them.
02:01:25.80	Beth	No, that's not the entire reason. So no, we definitely looked at that and were thoughtful about that. But we also anticipated that some of these parcels may not be as likely to develop during the sixth cycle. We have some that we haven't heard back from the property owner. They've been reached out to a couple of times.
02:01:42.67	Beth	some that have no access. There are some that, you know,
02:01:46.91	Beth	would be more likely to develop in a longer term with they might require some more intensive plans. Some of them, you know, have access issues, as I mentioned, a couple of the sites are actually shown as part of the Dempsey Park Improvement Project. And we hadn't realized that until that was brought to our attention pretty, pretty late in the process. And then one of the sites was was removed by the HIAXO on my list here. But we, we had a number of factors we considered when trying to winnow it down to something that's a little
02:02:14.40	Beth	a little more narrow and more realistic for the city to consider. Because I know if we give all of these sites to the state and we include some of the sites that we know are less like that are more constrained or less likely to develop, then you're just going to have the state comment on your draft housing element and kick it back to you.
02:02:18.26	Unknown	because I think,
02:02:31.14	Blausdean	Right, but as Councilmember Sobieski noted, we don't have a visualization or like a larger picture for what all of these sites look like.
02:02:38.98	Blausdean	pulling them and then and then
02:02:40.97	Blausdean	because it's too onerous for the eir are are i'm just
02:02:45.88	Blausdean	trying to understand for our big picture vision for housing, we, we like maybe won't develop them. So we're taking them off. It wasn't like what you're saying about which ones aren't developed, et cetera. It wasn't immediately clear to me from the, from the staff report. So I'm just trying to get a sense. And I'm also wondering in the direction of the staff report, you said, you know, if we don't meet the requirements, we'll have to increase the
02:03:06.83	Blausdean	the size of the build or the number of sites so on some of them we're suggesting increasing under the general plan to 49 square mile or 49 sorry 49 units per acre. So you're suggesting if we can't include all these opportunity sites that then we would increase it to what 77 units per acre or like any given number.
02:03:23.03	Beth	Thank you.
02:03:23.89	Blausdean	it.
02:03:23.90	Beth	And that would really depend on what ends up being removed and what you have to accommodate. With the sites that are recommended to be kept, you would not have to do that. If some of those sites are removed, then you may have to increase your capacity.
02:03:40.64	Beth	And that would mean higher density at that location.
02:03:43.60	Beth	at individual locations or additional sites that have been previously dismissed.
02:03:49.16	Blausdean	And if we just this might be a legal question, Sergio, but if we do that on one site, for instance, with a specific square footage, is it then required at all of the same existing sites with this that square footage?
02:03:59.93	Blausdean	from a zoning density capacity standpoint.
02:04:04.00	Beth	And I can answer that. You can customize your rezoning program for individual sites. So every site does not have to be rezoned to the same density. So you can have some sites that are one density, 70, you can have some that are 49, you can have some that are less, you can have some that are mixed use. So you have, there's a lot of flexibility in that.
02:04:22.27	Blausdean	Have we done any sort of assessment of the typical density for a more affordable housing
02:04:29.45	Blausdean	duplex or an affordable housing
02:04:32.01	Blausdean	larger scale density project in Marin County.
02:04:35.62	Blausdean	Because the rotary sites that are used as examples are kind of unique because thanks to our Rotary Club, those were mostly funded entirely by the nonprofit.
02:04:43.30	Blausdean	that we're going to have
02:04:45.41	Beth	And so a lot of sites that end up in Marin County, the recent tax credit sites, are at higher densities. So you're seeing higher densities than the 70 units per acre typically. And a lot of those affordable projects do receive a density bonus. So one of the things we will point out in the draft housing element when it goes to the state is that projects that go for low-income housing tax credit funding, community development block grant funding, a whole bunch of the funding mechanisms that are available at the federal and state levels. Typically, you know, have our affordable housing developers that are aware of the various incentives. And so some of those projects might request a density bonus.
02:05:20.56	Beth	but the density of the
02:05:20.97	Blausdean	THE DENSITY BONUS DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS OUR RENA.
02:05:24.95	Blausdean	and we don't know
02:05:26.31	Blausdean	But...
02:05:26.89	Blausdean	What is the HCD require for us to demonstrate that this is affordable housing? That it has a half an acre and that's it?
02:05:34.21	Beth	half an acre a minimum of 20 units per acre but then they also look at whether or not it's realistic that that site could be developed with affordable housing and at 20 units per acre you're not as likely to see affordable projects just given the the city's track record for affordable units and as you noted you know the projects of the city aren't necessarily all subsidized with a ton of mechanisms that have been worked on by community entities and so
02:05:59.02	Beth	We're...
02:06:00.20	Beth	we're really looking at
02:06:05.09	Beth	Yeah, we're really looking at being at your previous densities.
02:06:12.23	Blausdean	Okay, so in any event, it seems like in order to meet our RENA numbers, we're going to have to increase our per acre
02:06:18.69	Blausdean	capacity across the board. Correct.
02:06:22.36	Beth	on the sites identified for rezoning.
02:06:25.21	Beth	Not citywide. So all of your R3 sites wouldn't increase in capacity. It would just be the select sites.
02:06:31.57	Beth	Okay.
02:06:32.63	Blausdean	And it is, as you mentioned, zone
02:06:35.30	Blausdean	by site by site. So it would change wherever we wanted it to change to. I'm just trying to, I'm just...
02:06:41.54	Blausdean	I feel like given I don't have we don't have enough information about each of the sites to be able to say
02:06:48.11	Blausdean	that we're going to be
02:06:48.75	Blausdean	Absolutely yes or absolutely no. And so I'm a little bit concerned and I'm trying to get to the bottom of why we would remove some of the ones that are getting us to a comfortable buffer level or why that's the direction from you. And I'm just trying to understand if that's because of our scope of our work with DeNovo or if it's because of what is realistic for
02:07:05.30	Blausdean	as we're building that the housing element, because that's a conversation we'd have to have if we need additional budget or if,
02:07:10.37	Blausdean	you know, because this is something that's going to impact the lives of people in our community and our community for
02:07:15.18	Blausdean	decades and so I really want to get it right. So I'm just trying to
02:07:19.38	Blausdean	understand that.
02:07:21.67	Beth	Understood. And mainly sites that we anticipated weren't as likely to be developed during the cycle and would help us just narrow the scope of our analysis.
02:07:31.39	Beth	So we considered both, but we didn't remove sites that are necessary to get to the arena. So you have a number of sites that meet, particularly for your lower income units, that meet that half acre minimum, and that would accommodate a significant number of units. And those were generally not removed.
02:07:52.49	Blausdean	Okay, but this is from, but from what you've prepared for us tonight, you're not asking us to remove additional ones or you are? Because the staff report says you are. Okay. So no, no, we're not, we're,
02:07:58.24	Beth	No.
02:08:00.01	Beth	No, no.
02:08:01.77	Beth	We have a recommendation for you. You may remove additional ones, you may add additional sites. So as we go neighborhood by neighborhood, group by group, you can weigh in on those sites.
02:08:01.82	Blausdean	Yeah.
02:08:12.06	Blausdean	All right, I'll have a lot more questions about each specific site and how we got to each site when we go through it, but I'll give the time to.
02:08:18.79	Blausdean	another council member, I know we all have a lot of questions and the public hasn't even weighed in, so.
02:08:22.96	Blausdean	Thank you, Beth.
02:08:27.76	Blausdean	THANK YOU.
02:08:27.97	Huffman	Council Member Hoffman.
02:08:30.49	Huffman	So, um,
02:08:32.58	Huffman	Beth, what?
02:08:33.88	Huffman	Sorry if I missed it.
02:08:35.45	Huffman	but it may have been in one of the other questions. But what are the penalties for sites that we've identified, but a failure to build?
02:08:45.76	Huffman	What if any other penalties?
02:08:45.98	Beth	I'm just going to finish.
02:08:47.03	Beth	It's like over...
02:08:48.21	Huffman	Oh, go ahead.
02:08:48.97	Beth	There's one penalty,
02:08:51.94	Beth	One significant one I would say and that is that the sites that are from two previous cycles that have been that are underutilized or
02:09:02.30	Beth	Two previous cycles that are vacant, one previous cycle that are underutilized that haven't been developed.
02:09:08.66	Beth	and you're reusing those sites in your next cycle, you then have to have a program to allow development by right pursuant to certain factors that the state requires. So those reused sites, you have less authority, you have less discretion over whether or not you approve affordable housing on those. The other problem is if you're not seeing development and you're not meeting the RHNA
02:09:33.26	Beth	As we discussed earlier, you also have the SB35 penalty.
02:09:37.50	Huffman	So in the current plan that we have before us are those sites that are
02:09:42.46	Huffman	those if any sites that are this is their second cycle for inclusion in our housing element
02:09:47.54	Huffman	Are those identified in any other way?
02:09:49.80	Huffman	Thank you.
02:09:49.84	Beth	And those are identified in the notes column on the attachment C. There's only a couple of those sites. I think it's 86 and 87. There are also, there's a office building site that's a carryover, but we aren't assuming that that would be affordable this time around. So there are some sites, but not too many.
02:10:08.43	Huffman	Okay, so my request that I would have is that when we go through this and we look at this again, I would like to have those sites clearly identified. Because to me, those are.
02:10:17.00	Huffman	high vulnerability sites for us losing control over if we we cannot identify those and
02:10:22.59	Huffman	we might wanna consider that, or that might be part of our consideration process.
02:10:26.37	Huffman	I
02:10:29.57	Huffman	because SB9, you know, those units are still in flux. And I don't believe that I've heard you say that there's been any
02:10:37.90	Huffman	sort of hard, um,
02:10:41.10	Huffman	you know, hard requirements issued by HCD. You said there's been an advisory and there haven't been any
02:10:49.05	Huffman	as we know I don't think so far any um
02:10:52.90	Huffman	certification failures based on SB9 identification
02:10:57.30	Huffman	identification of SB9 units. I'd like us to think about what our strategy is for including more of those units in the next time we come and look at sites. Because if,
02:11:08.99	Huffman	YOU KNOW, TO ME,
02:11:10.70	Huffman	they've been legislatively rezoned, which is what happened, that it's hard for the state to come back and say, you know, defend that,
02:11:20.34	Huffman	and say well even though we legislate rezone these sites we're not going to allow to use them in your housing element and so i'm glad that you're looking at what's going on in southern california because i think that will give us some guidance going forward with ours
02:11:33.43	Huffman	but also
02:11:34.75	Huffman	developing a strategy based on the advisory so that we can meet those elements that they put forth in their
02:11:41.35	Huffman	you know, put forth in that advisory, they don't seem to be very onerous. So it seems to me that we could develop a strategy and bring in more of the SB9 units because they're already rezoned.
02:11:51.54	Huffman	My third question is,
02:11:53.24	Huffman	With regard to inclusion of the excess units that we refer to as buffer,
02:11:59.05	Huffman	So there's no requirement to include buffers, correct? It's just a good strategy because you want to have excess units in case some units fall out, right? Right.
02:12:09.64	Beth	So yeah, there's no requirement to include the buffer and there's no anticipation that the full buffer would be re-zoned. So these would be sites that will be reviewed and analyzed. And then when you go to re-zone the sites, there's going to be a specific program in your housing element that requires you to re-zone X acres at X densities. And you will have to re-zone enough to meet the arena. You won't have, there won't be a recommendation to rezone to meet the buffer. You'll then have those parcels. They've gone through the CEQA process and they'll be available at late if the city later decides you want to introduce any of those sites at a later date, but they wouldn't all be rezoned. I wouldn't anticipate they would all be rezoned. I mean, the city could of course rezone them all if you wished.
02:12:50.85	Huffman	So our buffers, our buffer sites
02:12:53.67	Huffman	identified differently in our housing element plan. In other words, we,
02:12:58.61	Huffman	submit the plan we say all the sites you know highlighted in green are our plan and then these other sites are buffers
02:13:06.60	Beth	No, not necessarily.
02:13:07.14	Huffman	Not one plan, right?
02:13:08.35	Beth	it.
02:13:08.47	Huffman	Thank you.
02:13:09.25	Beth	So,
02:13:10.02	Beth	We're developing the plan for your review.
02:13:12.99	Beth	This will go to the HEAC again. It will go out for public review. And we anticipate that when it goes to the state, some of those sites may be removed. We also may have a table that has kind of second tier sites. And we have sites that we identify as part of the inventory. And then we have additional opportunity sites. So there's multiple ways to identify them. But we probably will be clear when we submit it to the state that the city is not rezoning for 817 units or 180 more than you're required to.
02:13:43.22	Huffman	So that brings me to my last question of
02:13:43.94	Beth	Thank you.
02:13:43.99	Sergio	So
02:13:45.32	Huffman	Oh, go ahead, Sergio.
02:13:47.13	Sergio	Yeah, I think with respect to the buffers and the reason why it's important for the council and for the public to understand why they are advisable is it's not that there's a legal requirement to have a buffer. The issue is that if you zone for exactly what your RHNA requires,
02:14:03.38	Sergio	The issue is under applicable law,
02:14:07.13	Sergio	when you say you've zoned a property say for up to say 20 units we can't actually mandate that a developer who comes to that site build 20 units if the developer wants to build say 17 or 15 units the city has to approve that project and the issue is is that if you've created a housing element
02:14:25.99	Sergio	that.
02:14:27.04	Sergio	does the bare minimum to meet your arena.
02:14:29.76	Sergio	there's a provision of state law called no net loss that kicks in so once
02:14:34.84	Sergio	If you have a site identified in your housing element for 20 units and a developer
02:14:40.24	Sergio	proposes and the city approves 15 units on that site, the city is required to rezone somewhere else in the city to make up that five unit difference. So having the buffer upfront and having studied it under CEQA basically allows the city to avoid having issues with that later down the road.
02:14:56.20	Huffman	So let me ask you the consequences in future housing element cycles of units, or not units, but I'm sorry,
02:15:04.52	Huffman	whatever sites, they're included as buffer.
02:15:07.61	Huffman	We just talked about the consequences of including a site in your housing eminent cycle.
02:15:12.86	Huffman	not being developed including the next cycle not being developed now you're creating
02:15:18.29	Huffman	if i understood this correctly i'm not an expert now you're creating um
02:15:23.02	Huffman	a lot of risk and vulnerability that someone's a developer is going to be able to come in because you've gone you've used the site in two cycles right
02:15:30.14	Huffman	And, um,
02:15:31.69	Huffman	and no one's built on it.
02:15:33.46	Huffman	I mean, that's the vulnerability of including
02:15:38.34	Unknown	Thank you.
02:15:38.35	Huffman	Buffer signs.
02:15:38.39	Unknown	So, I'm sure.
02:15:38.52	Beth	first time.
02:15:38.94	Unknown	Thank you.
02:15:39.55	Huffman	Right?
02:15:40.24	Beth	So when your housing element is brought to you for adoption, it will include a table that identifies enough units to get to their regional housing need allocation. Your additional capacity from buffer sites won't be included in that. And so you won't be penalized for that additional capacity. And those sites may not be rezoned at that time. You could rezone them at that time, but they wouldn't be part of the inventory. Or you could re-zone them later as you look at your no net loss requirements and as you have the need for those sites, you could have those available. So there's several strategies to implement or to use those sites that won't penalize you for having the same site show up in multiple cycles.
02:16:18.45	Huffman	Okay, I would like to have that called out, right? And I'm just giving direction, right? For when we move through further, but...
02:16:24.83	Huffman	the consequences of including
02:16:27.41	Huffman	you know, an excess of sites
02:16:31.02	Huffman	for our housing and what, what the consequences and risk is. So what I, I thank you for your explanation, but to me,
02:16:38.40	Huffman	I think that's a good question.
02:16:39.26	Huffman	you know, the consequences seem to be the same, right? Like you can adjust somehow, but you're still creating vulnerability and risk
02:16:46.88	Huffman	for including sites in multiple cycles.
02:16:50.56	Huffman	You're saying no.
02:16:51.41	Huffman	That's fine. Okay, that's fine. That's great. So just include that in the next report and an explanation, maybe a footnote or something more about buffer sites and how to call it. Thanks. So thanks. Like I'm not an expert, right?
02:17:00.32	Cleveland	Okay.
02:17:04.30	Huffman	Thank you.
02:17:04.33	Kelman	So anyway, thanks.
02:17:05.83	Kelman	Thanks, Councilman Hoffman. Actually, Sergio, maybe you can just lend a little bit of a little bit more color on that. So I think you also shared that.
02:17:14.59	Kelman	IF A PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND WE
02:17:19.87	Kelman	fail to, what's the trigger? If we fail to get it approved,
02:17:25.58	Kelman	Then they have a virate
02:17:28.33	Kelman	ability to build, is that accurate? Can you explain that?
02:17:33.09	Sergio	No, so that relates to the city's program of rezoning. So if the city as part of its site's inventory
02:17:42.07	Sergio	proposes certain sites at a certain density and that is not in conformity with the existing zoning basically the city needs to rezone to allow that development right we need to be in conform we need to have our zoning in conformity with our housing element and our general plan
02:17:59.26	Sergio	So if the city fails to timely complete its rezoning within the three year period provided after the adoption of the housing element,
02:18:07.24	Sergio	then the penalty is that the city has to allow non-discretionary approval
02:18:14.90	Sergio	of housing on that particular site
02:18:18.01	Sergio	in conformity with what is proposed in the housing element and any sort of objective standards that are and objective standards and zoning that are in place that are
02:18:30.60	Sergio	in conformity with that housing element requirement. So and the only way that the city could disallow
02:18:37.58	Sergio	Absolutely.
02:18:38.61	Sergio	proposed project on that site would be if it made very onerous health and safety findings that were supported by substantial evidence, which is very difficult to do. So basically, that's a separate penalty for failing to
02:18:53.80	Sergio	rezone. So once the city has a site's inventory
02:18:58.86	Sergio	That doesn't mean that people can immediately go and propose projects on that site.
02:19:03.91	Sergio	the city first has to rezone to allow development on that site in conformity with the city proposed in its housing element. So basically it's,
02:19:11.70	Sergio	It's a requirement that the city timely complete the rezoning.
02:19:15.03	Kelman	Okay, thank you for that clarification. Very much appreciated. Council Member Cleveland Mills.
02:19:20.08	Cleveland	Um,
02:19:20.75	Cleveland	Yeah, this is more of a comment, I guess, or just a procedural issue. I feel like
02:19:25.85	Cleveland	It would be really helpful. I mean, we are right now just at the draft opportunity sites to move on to analysis and a programmatic EIR. Like that's what we're trying to do right now.
02:19:35.78	Cleveland	I think a lot of the questions and the concerns
02:19:39.30	Cleveland	I think the concerns, especially the legal issues that are being raised tonight are all really valid.
02:19:46.38	Cleveland	tranches of
02:19:47.99	Cleveland	approvals and decision making. And I think at some point it would be really helpful to get from our legal team and consultants
02:19:55.19	Cleveland	kind of at each point what
02:19:58.03	Cleveland	what are our risks and upside and downside of making each decision. And I think that they're all getting kind of mushed together tonight.
02:20:06.83	Cleveland	in a way that's, it's kind of confusing, I think, about at what point do we need to worry about these various penalties and mechanisms.
02:20:18.07	Cleveland	So I think it would be helpful for me and I think really for the public and perhaps other council members to have that kind of more neatly,
02:20:26.82	Cleveland	drawn out in a timetable so that we understand we're trying to get right now to the draft opportunity sites. And then we have to just submit things to HCD. So we're not gonna submit that whole group
02:20:26.85	Unknown	drawn out.
02:20:30.19	Unknown	trying to get it.
02:20:37.70	Cleveland	We're going to submit a smaller one. We're going to have this buffer that Jill was just talking about.
02:20:42.32	Cleveland	and what's the upsides and downsides of the buffer, et cetera.
02:20:47.15	Cleveland	area at each point, we kind of get a preview of what we're going to have to worry about.
02:20:51.74	Unknown	And
02:20:52.19	Cleveland	what risks we're taking.
02:20:54.24	Cleveland	by being over-impulsive or under-impulsive, et cetera.
02:20:59.15	Cleveland	Anyway, I don't know.
02:21:01.26	Cleveland	I don't know if that's helpful, but I do feel like a lot of the process is getting kind of completed.
02:21:06.44	Unknown	Thank you.
02:21:06.79	Cleveland	All right.
02:21:08.09	Cleveland	it's hard to tell what penalties occur at what point.
02:21:12.48	Kelman	Thank you, Councillor of Clivenosa.
02:21:14.45	Kelman	we can work with as the liaisons, we can work with
02:21:17.96	Kelman	city attorney to frame that.
02:21:20.36	Kelman	I wanna mention a process thing that I think
02:21:23.99	Kelman	It's a holdover from something Council Member Sobieski had said
02:21:26.45	Kelman	at a prior meeting, which is we're about to embark on a neighborhood by neighborhood effort.
02:21:31.50	Kelman	which feels to me just inherently siloed and piecemeal.
02:21:36.26	Kelman	And I think we noted the last HEAC meeting that we didn't have
02:21:41.88	Kelman	an alternative. There were three alternatives presented and we were told none of them would work.
02:21:47.33	Kelman	And so I guess, Beth, I'm wondering,
02:21:49.55	Kelman	how do we get to something? We're doing a programmatic EIR. It feels like we should have
02:21:54.16	Kelman	some type of master plan right and the only honestly the only master plan i've seen was submitted by a citizen group
02:22:01.43	Kelman	Sensible Housing Sausalito put together a really
02:22:06.17	Kelman	extensive over a thousand units identified. And that's just the way my brain would work through this is to have
02:22:14.50	Kelman	the whole plan in front of us. And I know now we're gonna go, you know, neighborhood by neighborhood, but it just seems like a lot of the issues we're about to encounter could actually be avoided and more in alignment with the programmatic EIR if we actually were looking at something like this plan that is in the public record. So what are your thoughts on that
02:22:36.97	Kelman	as a consultant to us, how do we get there so we can think about things more holistically? And have you looked at that plan? Do you have an idea for another plan? Like how should we be thinking about that?
02:22:49.51	Beth	So I have looked at that plan and they've put a lot of thought and effort into coming up with kind of different
02:22:54.94	Beth	different levels of housing and different locations and methods of providing housing in the city. And it's a very worthwhile plan.
02:23:02.74	Beth	In terms of what we're doing right now is we're trying to get to the sites so we can get you a housing element which will have a housing plan in it will have an inventory of sites it won't necessarily be the.
02:23:14.60	Beth	It won't be a master plan for housing. So I think one of the things the city really wants is a longer term plan for housing and kind of what will happen where and how can you be ready for the sixth cycle, seventh cycle and subsequent cycles. And so you really are looking for something that's a little bit broader than the housing element, which really focuses on narrow requirements for sites that the state
02:23:36.42	Beth	that the state has identified. But one of the things we're anticipating doing is when we, you know, we'll provide you with a housing element, we'll have an inventory of housing sites and we'll have information that presents those sites. So you can look at, you know, areas identified for mixed use, where some of the higher intensity areas are and it will provide that a bit more holistically. But until we,
02:23:57.03	Beth	get feedback on the sites.
02:23:59.52	Beth	We have a hard time. We could come up with 500 different plans. There's so many sites that have capacity. And so our recommendation tonight is the first step towards getting towards a slightly narrower group of sites so we can start developing a plan for you.
02:24:16.48	Beth	Thank you.
02:24:17.08	Beth	Well, we'll see how this
02:24:17.97	Kelman	I think it's...
02:24:19.64	Kelman	We've done it before the HIAG. It's definitely a big process. So, um,
02:24:24.68	Kelman	you're not even done with your presentation because now we're gonna go a neighborhood by neighborhood. And I'm thinking that we should probably take public comment neighborhood by neighborhood. Cause I suspect some folks will have kind of a
02:24:36.99	Kelman	duplication in their comments so
02:24:39.55	Kelman	We're gonna go ahead and structure it that way.
02:24:42.57	Kelman	So why don't we go into
02:24:44.90	Kelman	the first neighborhood.
02:24:46.59	Kelman	I will also note for the public,
02:24:48.48	Kelman	Each council member has been given a recusal map
02:24:52.07	Kelman	And each of us do have sites that we have to recuse ourselves from.
02:24:56.19	Kelman	So if you will just bear with me, I have a script that I will try to adhere to, but I welcome help. If I haven't recused you and you should be, please chime in or Beth if I've missed something or Mary and Sergio if I've missed something, please let me know. So with that, I think we're going to go to discussion of the opportunity sites in the Old Town Hurricane Gulch area.
02:25:19.26	Kelman	um,
02:25:20.10	Kelman	So why don't we start there? We have,
02:25:23.11	Kelman	Sites with conflicts, which are groups one and two, and sites with no conflicts, group three. Vice Mayor Blaustein is conflicted on sites five and 10.
02:25:33.38	Kelman	And council member Cleveland Knowles is completed on sites eight, nine, 10, 12, and 13.
02:25:40.89	Mary Wagner	And just for purposes of the record, Madam Mayor, I just want to clarify that that's based on
02:25:45.60	Mary Wagner	the proximity of personal residences to the sites in
02:25:50.31	Mary Wagner	question just so each council member doesn't have to state that every time we'll put that on the record right now
02:25:55.84	Mary Wagner	Okay.
02:25:56.65	Kelman	And so this is easier for us to handle the recusal. So thank you for that. Council Member Cleveland Knowles, do you wanna add to the process?
02:26:03.37	Cleveland	Yeah, I was just wondering, I don't know how other people feel, but I was wondering if we could just take public comment.
02:26:08.52	Cleveland	in one go i think it might be easier to collect all that
02:26:12.60	Cleveland	IT'S JUST I THINK
02:26:14.31	Cleveland	It feels like it's going to take a really long time.
02:26:16.95	Cleveland	We do it for other guys.
02:26:18.64	Blausdean	Yeah, I would agree with taking it all at the same time, just given how much public comment we were going to hear and it's already
02:26:25.49	Blausdean	almost 9 30 or almost 10 o'clock and some folks might not have the opportunity and so
02:26:30.76	Kelman	Okay, I am totally fine with that. So excellent idea. Thank you for that input.
02:26:34.93	Kelman	uh then we won't go to neighborhood neighborhood pardon me um we are uh we're gonna go actually with one fell swoop
02:26:43.04	Kelman	Thank you.
02:26:47.35	Kelman	It's pleasing. Sorry, Beth, what do you think of that process?
02:26:47.40	Beth	Those are the reasons.
02:26:51.75	Beth	So by one fell swoop, you mean that you'll collectively make a motion for all of the sites except for the sites with conflicts and that you'll-
02:26:59.82	Kelman	This is for public comment only. And in fact,
02:27:03.06	Kelman	Yeah, let me ask Council Member Sobieski and Council Member Hoffman, how do you feel about that? It will become quite big and we might lose track of some things. So Council Member Sobieski, your thoughts?
02:27:15.39	Sobieski	Still thinking about it.
02:27:18.02	Sobieski	feel that, let's see, I mean,
02:27:22.13	Sobieski	I'm guessing some people want to make comments on individual sites. So I would suggest that when the public is making a comment about a particular site, that we pull up that site map so that their site at least can be
02:27:33.43	Sobieski	shown and in so doing, you and everyone else probably get a pretty
02:27:37.30	Sobieski	strong tour de force of all the different sectors and then
02:27:41.03	Sobieski	So maybe we could indeed do it that way, all in one fall swoop. And just when the public comments are associated with particular sites, we ask Beth to pull them up.
02:27:50.95	Sobieski	the map for that.
02:27:54.10	Sobieski	And then, yes, that would work.
02:27:55.88	Sergio	Thank you.
02:27:56.82	Sergio	man.
02:27:57.48	Sergio	Mayor,
02:27:59.50	Sergio	actually based on the way that
02:28:02.39	Sergio	the fpbc regulations on recusals are written i i would strung on the sites in the groupings that were proposed uh it's fine to take have one big public comment period
02:28:13.70	Sergio	where the members of the public are invited to speak on things not related to specific sites and if you
02:28:20.01	Sergio	If you want to get all of those public comments out of the way, that's fine. But due to the need for council members when they're accusing to have absolutely no part in the decision making, it's usually safer to have
02:28:31.67	Sergio	a public comment period that's specific to
02:28:34.37	Sergio	that particular decision.
02:28:36.26	Kelman	Okay, well then thank you for that. I know that he took public comment area by area.
02:28:40.78	Kelman	I THINK I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO
02:28:41.98	Kelman	Councillor Hoffman, do you want to
02:28:44.36	Kelman	THE BOISER BENEFITS.
02:28:45.03	Huffman	Thank you.
02:28:46.30	Huffman	How many maps do we have?
02:28:49.86	Huffman	I mean, how many
02:28:50.97	Huffman	harsh, you know, we're going to go by, by neighborhood, by neighborhood, right?
02:28:55.29	Huffman	Right.
02:28:55.88	Huffman	Correct.
02:28:55.93	Beth	Correct.
02:28:56.93	Huffman	And we have seven neighborhoods, right?
02:28:59.14	Beth	Bye.
02:29:00.44	Huffman	Thank you.
02:29:01.28	Unknown	you
02:29:02.30	Beth	Yeah, you have about six neighborhoods, I think, that have proposed sites in them, and each neighborhood has anywhere from one to three groups of sites. So you have about...
02:29:13.43	Beth	16 to 18 groups of sites you'll be asked to vote on based on the various recusals.
02:29:20.12	Kelman	Yeah, I think we have to go neighborhood by neighborhood based on their accusal structure. And it mirrors what we did at the HEAC.
02:29:25.19	Kelman	I very much appreciate the suggestion from the vice mayor and Council Member Cleveland Knowles
02:29:30.56	Kelman	But let's go with the first idea of
02:29:33.97	Kelman	Site by site. So let's do this. I see some hands up. If you want to talk generally about the process, now's your time. But if you wanna talk about any specific sites, please do wait till we get to the neighborhood.
02:29:44.72	Kelman	So again, this is just general comments. I'm gonna be unfortunately somewhat strict in asking you to hold your comments if they're not pertaining to what we're talking about at the moment. So Serge, can you please
02:29:55.91	Kelman	Go ahead and let us know who would like to speak.
02:29:59.57	Unknown	Sure, our first speaker is Pat. Pat, you've been unmuted and asked to show you a video.
02:30:08.08	Pat	unmute.
02:30:09.44	Pat	I'm there. Oh, my goodness.
02:30:10.42	Unknown	there.
02:30:11.28	Pat	I'm there.
02:30:12.70	Pat	Several comments. Number one on the graphics. I'm aware of a private effort that has created an interactive discussion.
02:30:21.71	Pat	module where you can press on a number and get an actual description and a location of the site that would have been very helpful with regard to these materials here if a private effort could do that at no cost i would hope that our consultants could do that as well
02:30:36.88	Pat	Number two, as far as SB9 is concerned,
02:30:40.34	Pat	The notion of property interest, does property interest equal property commitment?
02:30:46.38	Pat	I may have an interest in developing my one third of an acre property, but if I evidence that interest, is that a commitment of one sort or another? I'd like, and I think perhaps if that was clarified, that question could be re circulated
02:31:01.94	Pat	to people in the community.
02:31:04.93	Pat	Number three, the one half acre sites that are a requirement
02:31:08.71	Pat	for low income housing, how can we require
02:31:13.63	Pat	First of all, it is clear to me that the one half acre and larger properties in Sausalito tend to be on the waterfront, in the waterfront and industrial zones.
02:31:24.99	Pat	the notion that those properties would be developed as low-income housing
02:31:29.63	Pat	is...
02:31:31.54	Pat	Interesting.
02:31:33.73	Pat	I would be wondering how one would enforce the notion that those kinds of properties, which have astonishing views and access to various resources, would be low income or moderate income.
02:31:49.31	Pat	if we were to up zone them.
02:31:51.16	Pat	to housing.
02:31:52.41	Pat	Number four.
02:31:54.77	Pat	I wanted to echo Jill Hoffman's concern about buffers.
02:32:00.77	Pat	and whether ask the question as to whether or not
02:32:04.53	Pat	a buffer
02:32:06.60	Pat	identified.
02:32:07.94	Pat	gain some sort of entitlement in this current housing plan.
02:32:12.02	Pat	My Thorpe.
02:32:12.63	Kelman	THANK YOU, CUT.
02:32:14.15	Kelman	Sorry, we're not here to interrupt, but thank you very much for those comments.
02:32:14.55	Pat	Thank you.
02:32:19.18	Unknown	Our next speaker is David Sudo. David, you've been unmuted. Nice to share your video.
02:32:26.28	David Sudo	Good evening, City Council.
02:32:27.80	David Sudo	um,
02:32:28.95	David Sudo	Some great questions from
02:32:30.77	David Sudo	City Council, I'm glad.
02:32:32.14	David Sudo	that they were asked so I don't have to ask them
02:32:34.77	David Sudo	either.
02:32:36.76	David Sudo	My question, it sounds like the
02:32:40.71	David Sudo	consultants and staff are vetting properties to see if they're economically feasible for the densities
02:32:46.94	David Sudo	I'm not sure.
02:32:48.12	David Sudo	My question is, do you have to
02:32:50.60	David Sudo	is who's vetting properties that would require a measure
02:32:55.98	David Sudo	especially Martin Luther King and the
02:32:58.97	David Sudo	Thank you.
02:32:59.14	David Sudo	waterfront properties that would require a voting measure
02:33:03.81	David Sudo	you know, what's the likelihood that that's going to pass and,
02:33:07.51	David Sudo	what would be the catastrophic
02:33:10.33	David Sudo	.
02:33:12.06	David Sudo	if those measures didn't pass and we had to up zone
02:33:15.44	David Sudo	all the remaining places because we're relying it looks like we're relying heavily on some of those areas
02:33:21.23	David Sudo	Even I think city hall would eventually probably end up as a measure.
02:33:25.66	David Sudo	for just
02:33:27.86	David Sudo	you know, past experience.
02:33:30.66	David Sudo	So that's my comment. Thanks.
02:33:32.53	Kelman	Thank you, David.
02:33:37.68	Unknown	Next speaker is Sandra Bushmaker. Sandra, you've been
02:33:41.76	Unknown	unmuted and ask to share your video.
02:33:50.84	Sandra Bushmaker	I'm back. I'll be very quick because I know this is a long evening. I have two points. One, I share the concerns about the 25% buffer and whether or not once identified, those buffer points become a vested right for development.
02:34:05.81	Sandra Bushmaker	along with the other issues raised by Council Member Hoffman.
02:34:11.09	Sandra Bushmaker	And secondly, in the flurry of questions, I heard Beth say that,
02:34:16.93	Sandra Bushmaker	density bonuses do not count toward Rhena's.
02:34:20.74	Sandra Bushmaker	RENA numbers so as we look at these projects we have to realize that since a developer can ask for a density bonus on these prop on the low income and very low income projects we are going to see increased numbers of units which do not count toward the RENA and I would just like
02:34:39.90	Sandra Bushmaker	that I heard that correctly. Thank you.
02:34:44.13	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you, Sandra.
02:34:46.61	Unknown	Our next speaker is Vicki Nichols. Vicki, you've been unmuted. I have to share your video.
02:34:54.78	Vicki Nichols	Hi, good evening. Thanks for the discussion. I'd just like to clarify two things. My understanding is that the...
02:35:02.83	Vicki Nichols	One of the onuses
02:35:05.60	Vicki Nichols	on not getting a housing plan developed by the time we're supposed to,
02:35:10.42	Vicki Nichols	is that we don't have the three year period to do the upzoning that's required. It would be required within one year.
02:35:18.22	Vicki Nichols	So that is a consequence to me.
02:35:21.43	Vicki Nichols	I'm not sure.
02:35:22.30	Vicki Nichols	And I had another point, which I've now forgotten, but some of this stuff is just about process. I hope that, and I appreciate that we can go through these neighborhood by neighborhood so you can really get,
02:35:35.52	Vicki Nichols	public input on the various sites. These are opportunity sites. This is not the final inventory.
02:35:42.37	Vicki Nichols	I don't think.
02:35:44.85	Vicki Nichols	You know, there's,
02:35:47.14	Vicki Nichols	this much alarm in the process at this point, I have confidence there's gonna be more chance for input. So we need to get to identifying the opportunity
02:35:56.21	Vicki Nichols	so the analysis can be done or we're going to be late. So let's not be late, thank you.
02:36:04.20	Kelman	Thank you, Vicki.
02:36:06.58	Unknown	We have John, John, you're being unmuted. And that's the chair of your video.
02:36:13.72	John	Thank you. I had the same question that Sandra had. Once we designate our 724 units, I guess my understanding now is that forget about the buffer
02:36:29.03	John	But...
02:36:30.73	John	on it.
02:36:31.48	John	density bonuses kick in on top of that 724.
02:36:36.30	John	number and our number can be significantly higher at the end of the day than the 724 so that's my one comment I think that's what I heard and secondly there's talk about being forced to up zone and I'm wondering if we can be forced to up zone from a commercial zone to a residential zone I understand you can't answer that question but I just wanted to put it out there thank you
02:37:06.32	Kelman	Thank you, John.
02:37:08.04	Kelman	Okay, Serge, any other members of the public wish to speak on a general
02:37:13.10	Unknown	Madam Mayor, there are no further hands raised.
02:37:15.62	Kelman	Okay, so back over to Beth.
02:37:17.19	Kelman	Let's start with the first neighborhood.
02:37:24.46	Beth	All right, let me just pop up in my screen again.
02:37:28.51	Beth	So...
02:37:29.49	Beth	And that is not the first neighborhood.
02:37:29.98	Kelman	And that is nothing.
02:37:32.63	Kelman	Beth, let me pause while you do that. I do see that Beth McDougall has her hand back up. It's down now. Okay, so back to you.
02:37:40.12	Beth	So old town hurricane Gulch first we have a group one, which is site 10 and for this site, as you had mentioned, we have a couple of Council members that are conflicted. So at this time, we will ask you to recuse yourself and turn off your video and you can of course attend and comment as a member of the public.
02:38:02.87	Kelman	Okay, so that's sites with conflict that's group
02:38:06.06	Kelman	groups one and two, and I read the conflicts out before.
02:38:10.31	Cleveland	Yes.
02:38:10.63	Kelman	And so,
02:38:11.41	Cleveland	Thank you.
02:38:12.08	Cleveland	I think you want us to ask to be refused or you want us to turn our camera off?
02:38:18.73	Mary Wagner	but I think you just turn your camera off now.
02:38:22.48	Mary Wagner	Actually, council members, if you could just state you're recusing yourself on participation on these items, that would be helpful. And then just turn your camera off.
02:38:28.84	Mary Wagner	and as
02:38:30.68	Mary Wagner	Beth indicated you can return during public comment time if you would like.
02:38:34.27	Mary Wagner	And then as the council deliberates and wants to take action, you would again turn your camera off, the virtual equivalent of leaving the room.
02:38:44.05	Blausdean	I'm recusing myself from these housing groupings due to the address of my personal residence.
02:38:52.38	Cleveland	So I'm sorry, I don't think I am reacuse from Site 10. Janelle, do you have that on your?
02:38:58.03	Kelman	Yes, just reading the script, it says 8, 9, 10, 12, and 13. All right, then I will refuse myself.
02:39:04.45	Kelman	Thank you.
02:39:04.53	Beth	Okay.
02:39:07.18	Beth	So with that, we'll jump into site 10. So site 10 is a vacant parcel. It's pretty small, 0.08 acres, located at 18 West Court. And it's identified to be
02:39:19.65	Beth	Increased in intensity to about 49 units per acre would accommodate about three units. So you're gonna share your screen
02:39:24.07	Unknown	three units.
02:39:26.11	Beth	Oh,
02:39:27.89	Beth	I can see it.
02:39:30.33	Beth	Sounds good.
02:39:33.59	Beth	There you go. I apologize. No problem.
02:39:34.72	Kelman	I apologize.
02:39:34.97	Unknown	IT'S A GREAT PARTY.
02:39:36.90	Beth	So here we go. Site number 10, located at 18 West Court, and this is in the Old Town Hurricane Gulch neighborhood. It is a vacant site, and it would accommodate about three units, and it's.08 acres. And we would anticipate increasing the
02:39:50.72	Beth	zoning to accommodate about 49 units per acre. So it would be in line with the B Street and other affordable housing projects that are well,
02:39:59.41	Beth	with the city's range of affordable housing projects.
02:40:02.36	Sobieski	Just since this is the first one and we might all need to learn how this works, the current zoning on that parcel would accommodate what? A single-pay my home?
02:40:11.09	Beth	And let me pop that up because I do have that and I think it would accommodate a single family home. But it's not a year
02:40:16.82	Kelman	I have not.
02:40:17.62	Kelman	as R2-2.
02:40:18.76	Beth	R2.2.5. And so we've calculated that for each of the sites. So let me just go to the specific site so I give you the correct...
02:40:19.35	Kelman	2.5.
02:40:28.11	Beth	correct information.
02:40:31.59	Beth	So we had anticipated
02:40:35.03	Beth	and I did not put it in that table. Let's see, existing zoning, there we go.
02:40:42.56	Beth	Sorry, I just have to make sure I'm looking at the right column when I look at sites in our large spreadsheet. So yeah, the realistic capacity would be about one unit based on the parcel size and the allowed density.
02:40:54.20	Sobieski	even under SB9 which
02:40:56.29	Sobieski	That's great.
02:40:56.56	Beth	So SB9 would allow for a few more units
02:41:02.50	Beth	And I'm trying to remember why this one wasn't flagged as an SB9 site, because we did flag all of, so we have a list of all of the city's SB9 sites, and we had cross-referenced that, and all of these sites that were identified by staff as being potentially developable under SB9, we flagged, and
02:41:19.34	Beth	assumed if they were vacant four units, if they weren't flagged. And so we'll double check that. If it is an SB9 site, we'll change the assumption. And that would allow four units instead of three.
02:41:29.94	Sobieski	but presumably not, the whole point here is
02:41:32.76	Sobieski	though it doesn't say,
02:41:34.79	Sobieski	The status quo default is one unit and by changing the zoning under the RHNA, under this housing element process, we're proposing upzoning it to three.
02:41:45.08	Sobieski	out.
02:41:45.38	Sobieski	Thank you.
02:41:46.65	Sobieski	Thank you.
02:41:52.69	Kelman	Thank you.
02:41:52.71	Beth	So Beth, are there other sites in group one?
02:41:55.88	Beth	So group one is just site 10. And so you can ask questions. You can take public comment and then provide direction.
02:42:03.44	Kelman	Okay, so I'm gonna try to
02:42:06.14	Kelman	create some type of streamline. I don't know if it'll work, but okay. So do we have any members of the public who want to speak on group one site 10?
02:42:18.76	Kelman	All right, so Serge, I don't hear you, but I don't see any.
02:42:23.56	Unknown	Sorry, Madam Mayor, I was...
02:42:25.90	Unknown	There are no members of the public
02:42:28.63	Unknown	that would like to make any comments.
02:42:30.68	Kelman	Okay, and then city attorney, do we have to
02:42:33.61	Kelman	vote on this since we're the only ones who can vote on it or um
02:42:37.80	Kelman	How are we doing this each time?
02:42:45.66	Sergio	Yeah, I think you just need to give direction to staff. If you want to do that via vote, that's totally appropriate. The big restriction is with respect to recusals,
02:42:55.68	Sergio	you know you have to make a decision on it and then once you make a decision on it uh in whatever form you'd like you can't reopen discussion or go back to that site
02:43:05.37	Sergio	You know, so...
02:43:06.94	Sergio	It keeps moving forward, and basically, you know, once we make decisions on Old Town and Hurricane Gulch sites and we invite the recused council members back,
02:43:15.78	Sergio	We can't revisit that discussion.
02:43:17.59	Kelman	Okay.
02:43:18.31	Kelman	Okay, so that's just for, hey, Councillor Hoffman, did you want to
02:43:21.92	Huffman	Um,
02:43:23.21	Huffman	Let me just throw this out, streamlining wise.
02:43:26.50	Huffman	Unless one of us here says, I'd like to make a motion to take it off.
02:43:32.73	Huffman	If there's no motion, then we just move on, right? Do we have to vote to leave it as is? I mean, the only motion or vote we would want to
02:43:39.69	Huffman	entertain is whether or not we want to take it off.
02:43:43.27	Huffman	if there's three now, there may be other sites where there's five. If no one makes the motion or no one indicates an intent to...
02:43:50.34	Huffman	remove then we just move on right
02:43:52.86	Huffman	We don't have to vote on every side, right?
02:43:55.66	Kelman	That seems fair to me. We did vote at HEAC, but I'm not hearing the city attorney mandate that. So let's implement that right away. Group one, site 10.
02:44:05.31	Kelman	Going once, going twice,
02:44:08.08	Kelman	Cezanne, next one, Beth.
02:44:09.97	Beth	All right, and so this next one is group two, sites eight, nine, and 11, and 12. And this one, we have a vice mayor blasting is not conflicted, so she can come back in. And council member Cleveland Knowles is conflicted on this group.
02:44:27.47	Beth	I'm going to continue to ask to be recused and keep my microphone and video off.
02:44:27.53	SPEAKER_26	Okay.
02:44:31.85	SPEAKER_26	Okay.
02:44:32.29	Beth	Thank you.
02:44:34.74	Beth	And so these are
02:44:36.82	Beth	four sites. Sites eight and nine are both vacant, both designated or zoned are 2-2.5. They would accommodate five and seven units respectively.
02:44:49.98	Beth	And under the existing zoning, they would each accommodate
02:44:54.94	Beth	Let's see.
02:44:57.84	Beth	They would accommodate two and three units. So an increase of,
02:44:58.40	Unknown	Thank you.
02:45:02.30	Beth	three units for site eight, two units for site nine. Sites 12 and 13 would each accommodate one unit and the same under existing zoning. The reason we've identified these and we may want to remove them is site 13 is a, or site 12 is a vacant lot and they're kind of in a little common area. So we try to keep vacant sites wherever we can, but it's a little development and so they're,
02:45:28.62	Beth	They appeared to be when we looked at them under closer scrutiny, perhaps not the best sites to include in your element. So we can we can keep them and look at them through the EIR or we can remove them now or you could remove them now. So they would each accommodate one unit. So sites eight, nine, 12 and 13 and there eight is on Main Street and Crescent Avenue and nine is on Lower Crescent Avenue and then sites 12 and 13 are both off of Prospect Avenue.
02:45:58.85	Kelman	Thank you, Beth. You know, I think I'm agreeing with Councilman Sabieski that moving forward, our table should reflect the current capacity and the proposed capacity so we can... I think you got that already. Okay. Any public comment on group two, sites eight and nine?
02:46:14.35	Unknown	Madam Mayor, there are no hands raised.
02:46:14.73	Kelman	There, there.
02:46:16.43	Kelman	Okay, any comments from council members on this group?
02:46:19.38	Sobieski	I was confused by Beth's directions. She said, here are the proposals, but actually here
02:46:25.61	Sobieski	switching it up here at the 11th hour we wanted to take 12 and 13 off but presumably HIAC looked at this quite extensively and put it on so we're a little bit confused um
02:46:34.55	Sobieski	should we refer these perhaps back but we don't want to prove something that you is a waste of time and money to do an EIR on that you don't have so
02:46:41.96	Sobieski	should we do? Should we perhaps refer them back to HIAC for affirmation or not? Maybe
02:46:47.19	Beth	I would remove them. I think they did not. We looked at a lot of sites closely with HIAC, and these two sites weren't really called out and weren't specifically voted on by HIAC. They were part of kind of a group effort, and so I think they did not, some of the red flags we saw when we looked again,
02:47:02.99	Beth	we weren't noted by HIAC and it's not a significant reduction in your units and I think they would HCD would flag these sites as not being realistic so that would that's why I would recommend to remove them.
02:47:15.48	Blausdean	Vice Mayor and then Council Member Hoffman.
02:47:17.32	Blausdean	And just that wasn't conveyed at all to the housing element.
02:47:21.08	Blausdean	they, they, like when the housing element voted on this group, they voted for this, this group as a whole, correct?
02:47:27.58	Beth	They voted on, there were multiple iterations of the sites, and so they didn't necessarily vote on 8, 9, 12, and 13, but 12 and 13 were included in the sites they looked at.
02:47:37.77	Beth	AND THEY VOTED FOR IT.
02:47:38.38	Blausdean	Thank you.
02:47:38.42	Beth	them.
02:47:39.08	Beth	Yes.
02:47:42.39	Huffman	Ms. Verhoeffer?
02:47:43.88	Huffman	So let me ask a question, Beth, about the EIR and costs, because I'm a little hesitant, you know,
02:47:51.60	Huffman	to also start removing sites that are included
02:47:55.77	Huffman	at this point, right? So I understand this is not the final word, right? Like this is not, this is just, what are we going to have the ERR? But,
02:48:03.86	Huffman	for these two sides, it's not gonna increase the cost of the EIR as I understand it, right? This EIR is kind of like a blanket, right?
02:48:10.61	Beth	Yeah, these two sites wouldn't be. It's more of the larger sites where there's a huge change in the capacity.
02:48:16.36	Huffman	Okay, so what I would suggest then
02:48:18.54	Huffman	is that I understand and appreciate your input and trying to clean things up at this point. But for those of us who haven't lived
02:48:26.06	Huffman	housing element for the past six months. And we want to be efficient tonight and we also
02:48:34.21	Huffman	want to be inclusive, I think, of sites at this point,
02:48:37.57	Huffman	knowing that later will be crunch time like later will be a very close magnifying glass look at each site and whether or not it's actually required for us to be certified to meet our minimum requirement under state law to be certified
02:48:57.49	Huffman	SO,
02:48:58.28	Huffman	That conversation is going to come up later. So I think as we go through this,
02:49:02.97	Huffman	for the council, the way to approach this, I think, is maybe
02:49:06.48	Huffman	let's have a presumption of inclusion maybe at this point.
02:49:06.95	Unknown	Thank you.
02:49:10.70	Huffman	And unless
02:49:13.55	Huffman	you know, unless there's a very good reason, because I know there are some sites that we want to take a closer look at later.
02:49:19.00	Huffman	but
02:49:19.59	Huffman	understanding it's not going to increase the cost of the EIR, right? So inclusion isn't going to, you know,
02:49:25.21	Huffman	Anyway, those are my comments on this just generally and with regard to these two sites. So I would lean more toward including.
02:49:31.91	Huffman	sites and try not to go through and cherry pick sites at this point, unless there's, unless there's a big, you know, issue. And I know there will be issues with some other sites tonight. So.
02:49:41.50	Huffman	That's my nod.
02:49:42.69	Huffman	Appreciate that thought, Vice Mayor.
02:49:47.23	Blausdean	I would completely echo what council member Hoffman just said. I don't think at this point we should be cherry picking small sites off of what has been considered and given that we have
02:49:57.69	Blausdean	six different site areas to go through and public comment on each the assumption of inclusion because I personally am not comfortable removing sites at this point and knowing that it's included in the IR we should just
02:50:09.22	Blausdean	continue with the presumption of inclusion.
02:50:11.95	Kelman	Okay.
02:50:12.39	Kelman	Excellent. Thank you all for your thoughts. Then we will move on. We'll welcome Council Member Rubenel's back, I think, Beth. Is that right?
02:50:19.61	Beth	That is correct.
02:50:20.93	Kelman	Okay, wonderful.
02:50:22.03	Beth	Thank you.
02:50:22.26	Kelman	Thank you.
02:50:22.40	Beth	getting to the
02:50:24.46	Beth	THE THIRD GROUP IS SITES OF
02:50:27.63	Beth	3, 4, 100, and 101. Site 3 is 0.04 acres, a pretty small site, and it accommodates one unit under the existing zoning. The change in zoning would allow for an additional unit.
02:50:41.52	Beth	SITE 4 IS VACANT, LOCATED ON SAXELETO BOULEVARD. IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE TWO UNITS UNDER EXISTING ZONING AND THE REZONING WOULD BUMP IT UP TO FIVE UNITS. AND ALL OF THESE SITES ARE ZONED R2-2.5. SITE 100 IS LOCATED AT 66 MARIAN AVENUE AND THE OWNERS INTERESTED IN MULTIFAMILY AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
02:51:05.51	Beth	And then site 100, and it has a single family unit on it. Site 101 also has a single family unit located at 357 Sausalito Boulevard. And the owner there is also interested in multifamily and ADU uses.
02:51:19.74	Beth	So,
02:51:20.58	Beth	And those sites are 100 would accommodate 12 units and under the current zoning, it would accommodate six units and then site 101 would accommodate
02:51:32.26	Beth	13 units and under the current zoning of accommodate about three units.
02:51:36.95	Kelman	Thank you, Beth. I'll just note that the slide says group three is sites four, 100, 101. It should also have three.
02:51:43.81	Beth	three on it.
02:51:44.58	Kelman	Yes.
02:51:44.67	Beth	Thank you.
02:51:44.70	Kelman	Thanks.
02:51:44.77	Beth	you
02:51:45.48	Kelman	Okay.
02:51:46.08	Kelman	Let's take any public comment.
02:51:49.25	Kelman	And then we'll have the council members opine. Any public comment on group three?
02:51:54.72	Kelman	Set number 34100 101.
02:51:57.12	Unknown	Madam Mayor, I see no hands raised.
02:51:59.63	Unknown	Pardon me, Senator Bushmaker just moved her hand.
02:52:03.87	Unknown	Sandra, you've been unmuted and I see, share your video.
02:52:09.29	Sandra Bushmaker	Real quick, 357 and 359 is one building, two units, Sausalito Boulevard, site number 101.
02:52:17.77	Sandra Bushmaker	It's not a single family home. Thank you.
02:52:21.88	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
02:52:21.98	Kelman	THANK YOU.
02:52:23.29	Kelman	Okay, Council Member Sobieski and then the Vice Mayor.
02:52:26.94	Sobieski	me through this process, a question occurs to me that I don't have the answer to.
02:52:30.97	Sobieski	just pick one of these sites uh four. Site four I think you said is two units and we're going to up zone it so it can be five in this suggestion.
02:52:39.81	Sobieski	So that is well and good, but that's what we're trying to do here, meet our RHNA number. The neighboring units, presumably, the neighboring properties are
02:52:48.35	Sobieski	currently this zoning that only allows one or two units is that correct
02:52:53.04	Beth	Generally, some of the sites, some of the parcels are larger and might accommodate a few more units.
02:52:58.58	Sobieski	So what's the role in this entire process of going to
02:53:02.12	Sobieski	already built properties that might have some interest redeveloping themselves to
02:53:08.26	Sobieski	uh,
02:53:08.92	Sobieski	Increase the number of units as a way of meeting our arena number
02:53:12.70	Beth	So we did at the beginning of the housing element update, we had a community survey and we asked for interest from property owners in increasing their number of units. And we did include those sites for the HEAC to consider. And then we also identified a number of sites that could accommodate additional units based on we had very specific methodology we developed with the HEAC where we looked at the existing zoning. We looked at the parcel size, a bunch of characteristics, and we identified a number of underutilized parcels that could accommodate additional units. And we did reach out to property owners for some of those parcels that could accommodate, I think, three plus units there was some
02:53:50.17	Beth	some various
02:53:52.34	Beth	I don't remember all the assumptions we made at this time, but we, so we did reach out. We got a number of responses back, a number of property owners weren't interested. And then a few were. So the ones that were interested were then, you know, highlighted for HIAC consideration.
02:54:06.80	Sobieski	Okay. All right.
02:54:09.52	Sobieski	Well, just one more question, if everyone would indulge me.
02:54:14.04	Sobieski	I don't know how aggressive that outreach was, but that's a pretty significant offer to change the zoning of one's property. And it seems as though
02:54:23.17	Sobieski	a single outreach or, you know, there's lots of spam and mailboxes, both virtual and physical.
02:54:29.50	Sobieski	um
02:54:30.97	Sobieski	And if we're struggling and making important trade-offs around development in areas that's super impactful to communities, I'm wondering if
02:54:38.73	Sobieski	Does it not behoove us to be a little more aggressive in educating our
02:54:44.42	Sobieski	property owners about the possibility of
02:54:47.84	Sobieski	of some modest improvement of density on their properties like we're approving here.
02:54:54.59	Beth	So these sites would likely be counted more toward the moderate and above moderate income group and not toward your very low and low income group. The majority of sites where we're seeing a lot of concern from the community are sites that meet that minimum size requirement for the very low and low income group. So if we were having a harder time meeting.
02:55:12.09	Beth	the
02:55:13.21	Beth	I'm not sure.
02:55:14.32	Beth	moderate and above moderate, yes, we would want to cast a bright a broader net and continue to do some outreach. But we've we've got enough units to reach that. And so the real issue is the very low and low.
02:55:24.88	Beth	in terms of
02:55:26.27	Beth	looking at individual sites and really doing more outreach.
02:55:29.73	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
02:55:32.48	Beth	Thank you.
02:55:32.50	Kelman	Okay.
02:55:34.92	Kelman	Any comments or requests to remove?
02:55:38.99	Kelman	Not hearing any, then we will move on.
02:55:43.36	Kelman	to the next group from the Hill.
02:55:46.35	Kelman	all right sites with conflicts or groups one and two
02:55:46.67	SPEAKER_33	All right.
02:55:50.42	Kelman	So it looks like Vice Mayor Blaustein is conflicted on sites 19 and 20.
02:55:54.99	Kelman	And Council Member Sobieski is conflicted on sites 16, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 103, and 104.
02:56:06.58	Kelman	Council Member Sobieski, do you want to state a recusal?
02:56:10.24	Sobieski	Oh, yeah. I'm going to go walk the dog. See you guys later.
02:56:12.34	Kelman	Thank you.
02:56:12.59	Kelman	Thank you.
02:56:13.74	Kelman	I'll be back.
02:56:17.08	Beth	Okay, Beth, over to you.
02:56:18.40	Beth	All right. And so, and Site 1 also had Vice Mayor Blaustein conflicted on it, Group 1, so Site 20.
02:56:26.17	Blausdean	So I was just informed by the city attorney that because I'm a month to month renter, these conflicts of interest don't apply to me.
02:56:33.65	Blausdean	So I will stay for this site 20.
02:56:37.26	Beth	it.
02:56:37.89	Blausdean	Welcome.
02:56:39.40	Beth	Thank you.
02:56:39.44	Blausdean	I'm not.
02:56:39.49	Beth	ONWARD, DEATH.
02:56:39.61	Blausdean	Right.
02:56:40.21	Beth	All right, so site 20. And let me just scroll to the hill in my
02:56:47.49	Beth	the attachment C that you all have the worksheet as well. So I have the correct information for these various sites.
02:56:49.73	Cleveland	Yeah.
02:56:53.88	Cleveland	We can take all of these together. We can just take all the ones.
02:56:58.03	Beth	Thank you.
02:56:58.05	Cleveland	Thank you.
02:56:58.57	Beth	Sites 2, 21, 22, 23, and 24, yes. So I just have them allocated on my screen. So I'll go through site 20, which is a vacant site, 0.05 acres. The increase in zoning would accommodate two units, and the current zoning would accommodate one. It's located on Bridgeway.
02:57:03.06	Cleveland	Yeah.
02:57:21.58	Beth	And then we also have sites
02:57:24.17	Beth	We'll scroll to the next group since we can do them all in one. Sites 21, 22, 23, and 24. Sites 21 and 22, the property owner was interested in additional units. These are both multifamily properties. So there is the potential for additional units currently under the
02:57:43.07	Beth	ADU.
02:57:44.20	Beth	provisions of state law, but there's also the additional potential for one more unit, one net unit on each of these parcels.
02:57:53.40	Beth	with with the rezoning and then
02:57:56.86	Beth	We also have sites 23 and 24 which are both vacant and those are on 10 Reed Lane and 10 Excelsior Avenue.
02:58:04.42	Beth	Those would each accommodate two units under existing zoning and a potential for three units with the
02:58:12.11	Beth	that increased density that would be allowed with the re-zoning.
02:58:19.54	Beth	Okay.
02:58:20.59	Beth	And then the next batch.
02:58:22.49	Beth	This is the next batch. So this is groups one and two.
02:58:23.56	Unknown	So this is groups one and two.
02:58:25.46	Beth	Okay.
02:58:26.65	Beth	sites
02:58:27.77	Beth	20.
02:58:28.77	Beth	2020.
02:58:29.99	Beth	21, 22, 23, and 24.
02:58:33.61	Kelman	I thought there was a,
02:58:36.15	Kelman	Oh, it was group three, pardon me. Okay. Any public comment on this batch from the health?
02:58:43.66	Kelman	Serge just confirmed no public comment.
02:58:45.71	Unknown	Madam Mayor, that is correct. There are no hands raised.
02:58:48.35	Kelman	Okay, thank you. Any comment from council members?
02:58:51.86	Kelman	Okay.
02:58:52.65	Kelman	Seeing no comment.
02:58:54.44	Kelman	onto the screen.
02:58:54.69	Beth	THE NEXT WEEK.
02:58:54.93	Kelman	Thanks, gosh.
02:58:55.35	Beth	Thank you.
02:58:55.75	Beth	All right, and I think council member Sobieski was optimistic with the time you might take on this one with the, oh.
02:59:02.84	Beth	Quickly walk the dog.
02:59:04.73	Beth	Yeah.
02:59:06.00	Beth	All right.
02:59:06.99	Beth	So we are now on to group three, no conflicts in group three. These are site 14.
02:59:13.67	Beth	31 and 32 and they are not located
02:59:16.88	Beth	close to one another, which is why we've clipped them out for our two close-ups. Site 14 is a former fire station number two. It is
02:59:27.12	Beth	So almost one acre in size located on Spencer Avenue, 300 Spencer Avenue. It's currently
02:59:34.30	Beth	and zoned.
02:59:35.82	Beth	public institutional,
02:59:37.77	Beth	And then it would allow 38 units with the rezoning
02:59:41.72	Beth	Sites 31 and 32 are adjacent to one another. The HEAC did raise that this parking lot also might be owned by the same property owner. And so we did look into the ownership and that it is the same property owner. And so we could include this strip here as well that's not highlighted and that would expand the site. So sites 31 and 32 are both parking areas.
03:00:08.06	Beth	they would accommodate 10 units and 27 units. And we did anticipate using a mixed use designation on these sites, given that they're along the waterfront
03:00:18.09	Beth	kind of in a more central area of the city. And these are both sites that would be affected by the fair traffic initiative. So if these sites were selected, they would be included in the ballot measure to get community
03:00:28.95	Beth	of community approval on
03:00:31.13	Beth	your voter approval.
03:00:32.99	Beth	to include those for the rezoning.
03:00:36.06	Kelman	Okay, did the HIAC consider site 14? I don't remember us looking at site 14. Yes, site 14 was considered by the HIAC.
03:00:44.63	Beth	Thank you.
03:00:44.65	Kelman	Thank you.
03:00:45.37	SPEAKER_26	Thank you.
03:00:45.44	Cleveland	Okay.
03:00:46.40	Kelman	THE FEDERAL.
03:00:46.71	Beth	Thank you.
03:00:46.76	Cleveland	Thank you.
03:00:47.16	Cleveland	All right, so let's take... Yeah, please.
03:00:47.26	Kelman	All right.
03:00:48.16	Beth	Yeah.
03:00:48.21	Kelman	Thank you.
03:00:49.56	Cleveland	where'd you go oh sorry i see em's hand is up
03:00:53.10	Sobieski	I was just wondering about if you could talk about Site 33, which looks like a water lot and how does that work?
03:01:00.16	Beth	Site 33 is a water based housing and we had shown, I think we did not recommend that that one be included. And I, so,
03:01:10.47	Beth	Based on the city's past performance with water-based housing during the fifth cycle, you're not likely going to get a lot of
03:01:17.15	Beth	Um,
03:01:18.20	Beth	approval from ACD or or
03:01:20.88	Sobieski	I'm sorry, yeah, you answered my question. So it's actually only, even though we see it there in pink, it's only if it's surrounded by a yellow line.
03:01:28.35	Sobieski	And it's actually one of the sites that
03:01:30.13	Beth	The recommended sites are actually just the ones that are numbered. So we have some additional sites that we had not included in our recommendations.
03:01:37.42	Sobieski	It's just 1431 and 32. I apologize.
03:01:40.54	Beth	Thank you.
03:01:40.98	Kelman	Beth, I thought with 33, there was a smidge that was actually
03:01:44.56	Kelman	Land.
03:01:45.65	Kelman	They're what?
03:01:45.68	Beth	Oh.
03:01:46.16	Beth	Thank you.
03:01:46.66	Beth	There's a small portion that's on land on this site. So yeah, there is a small portion and you could, whoops, I apologize.
03:01:54.71	Beth	And so you could include it. It's under the same ownership as 31 and 32. So you could include 33 as well. So you could have just kind of a larger area. And we'll just note when we send it to the state what the exact assumptions are. So yeah, it definitely could be increased.
03:02:10.09	Beth	And also for the benefit
03:02:10.96	Kelman	of the non-HEAC council members, we did have a robust conversation about wanting to signal
03:02:16.50	Kelman	to hcd bcdc whomever was watching that we do want water-based housing and so we did want to include it as that signal so i think it's important for other council members to know that as well
03:02:27.52	Unknown	Thank you.
03:02:29.31	Kelman	Okay, Council Member Cleveland Knowles, and then we'll take public comment.
03:02:33.49	Cleveland	Yeah, I just wanted to
03:02:35.43	Cleveland	ask Beth if she could remind us when we will factor in things like leases.
03:02:43.55	Cleveland	So...
03:02:46.50	Cleveland	31 and 32 are the subject of long term.
03:02:46.84	Beth	I agree.
03:02:49.98	Beth	31 and 32 are both privately owned. So they're not the subject of city leases as far as Heidi did some additional research, so those are not.
03:02:55.28	Cleveland	hard.
03:02:55.77	Cleveland	.
03:02:59.83	Cleveland	Okay, well, okay, so maybe not for these sites then.
03:03:03.34	Cleveland	um,
03:03:03.77	Beth	But for other ones, we have identified where we have, the city staff provided us with some lease information. So we have that. And then we also have flagged those for the city staff to continue to review. So we may get some additional feedback from them as we're developing the housing plan and the housing element. And we'll add that additional information as we receive it.
03:03:23.41	Cleveland	Thank you.
03:03:24.30	Cleveland	Okay, thank you. But that would just mean that some potential sites are going to
03:03:28.30	Cleveland	like we'll be going down from our number that we approved tonight.
03:03:31.76	Beth	Correct.
03:03:32.83	Beth	Some sites may.
03:03:35.31	Kelman	And Beth, I just found my notes on 33. There's a building on 33. It's not a strip of land. It's actually a building.
03:03:42.95	Kelman	Okay, let's go ahead and take public comment. I see three hands raised.
03:03:47.22	Unknown	And Madam Mayor, just for the record, I received an email from Ms. McDougall stating that she would like to make a comment.
03:03:54.88	Unknown	so i'm gonna call on her first um she does not have her rice um her hand raised however she's got a check mark um right next to her name
03:04:03.79	Kelman	Okay, great. We are taking public comment on the Hill properties only. So please limit your comments to that.
03:04:04.15	Unknown	Great.
03:04:11.06	Unknown	Sure, Ms. McGuigal, you're being unmuted and asked to share your video.
03:04:27.77	Unknown	Try again Ms. McEvoy, you're being unmuted and I asked to share your video.
03:04:32.48	McDougall	Can you hear me now? Yes, we can. Okay, great. I said, thank you for that. I don't know why I don't see the little mechanisms that allow me to just make a usual request. I don't know what's missing here, but something is on my screen. Anyway, I would like to simply say, to see the tremendous amount of minutia that you folks are going through, and I don't even know what the ultimate outcome is thought to be,
03:05:01.54	McDougall	at this point, but it raises a lot of questions. Number one, I will tell you,
03:05:05.65	McDougall	THAT PERSONALLY I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY INFORMATION FROM THE CITY ASKING IF I MIGHT BE
03:05:12.03	McDougall	And in fact, everyone that I've spoken to in my neighborhood about just the issue of City Hall
03:05:17.62	McDougall	being torn down.
03:05:19.98	McDougall	Everybody said, well, why don't they come to other property owners? Why do they want to focus on City Hall? I said, I don't know. It turns out nobody got a notice around here
03:05:29.97	McDougall	about your interest in looking. I happen to know people who own property in this neighborhood that would love
03:05:35.96	McDougall	TO SELL AND SEE IT
03:05:37.78	McDougall	though for something other than what it is now, which is an R1.
03:05:41.41	McDougall	So,
03:05:43.30	McDougall	I just want to make the point that I don't know how thorough you guys have been, but just the way you're sort of waddling through the water here. And I can't quite tell what the ultimate goal for this whole exercise is supposed to be.
03:05:55.98	Unknown	Thank you.
03:05:56.35	McDougall	And so with that, I withdraw. Thank you.
03:05:59.64	McDougall	Thanks very much.
03:06:00.62	McDougall	Surgeon, I had one.
03:06:00.68	Kelman	I had one.
03:06:06.49	Kelman	Serge, our next public commenter.
03:06:09.27	Unknown	Sure, Madam Mayor, it looks like our next
03:06:12.97	Unknown	Public commentaries, Michael. Michael, you've been unmuted. Nice to share your video.
03:06:20.83	Unknown	Hi, good evening. Can you hear me now?
03:06:22.60	Kelman	Yes, welcome.
03:06:23.89	Unknown	I'm not sure if my video is working.
03:06:25.91	Unknown	but I just wanted to comment on site 14 and to just raise some concerns given the relative size of the number of units relative to the overall housing elements. So this is over 30 units. So the loss of those units, whether through a failure of the environmental or state review or a failure to actually develop that site would have a pretty significant impact on the overall housing element.
03:06:49.72	Unknown	And it's just a bit concerning.
03:06:51.55	Unknown	Given, you know, based on the objective characteristics of that site, it seems that it is relatively likely compared to other sites to fail environmental review or state review or fail to have actual development. Given that all but a tiny portion of that site is an extraordinarily steep hillside, which would not seem to be either practically or economically feasible for development. And it also, if you look at the maps, is noted as a site that is, at least part of it, is a high landslide risk and the entire site is in a high fire risk zone. So, you know, of all of the sites in the overall housing element that have more than 10 or 20 units, this would seem to be the one at the greatest risk of environmental or state challenge or just a failure to have economically feasible development in the future. And so the overall impact of that loss on the housing element as a whole is concerning. And I just wonder if we're putting a lot of eggs in a basket that's likely to fail.
03:07:47.81	Unknown	Thank you.
03:07:49.41	McDougall	Well said, better than I could have said it. Where are we going with this?
03:07:52.58	Unknown	Thank you.
03:07:52.60	Unknown	Our next speaker is
03:07:55.33	Unknown	Pat, Pat, you've been unmuted and has to share your video.
03:08:00.85	Pat	Thank you. And I would like to
03:08:04.19	Pat	reiterate some of the comments about the Spencer street site number 14 although I don't oppose some development of it I think designating it as a 38 unit
03:08:15.06	Pat	development site is really problematic.
03:08:17.94	Pat	In addition, I think you should probably back pocket
03:08:21.47	Pat	25, 26, 27, and 28.
03:08:24.61	Pat	but
03:08:26.35	Pat	I don't think.
03:08:27.70	Pat	developing housing should be divorced of any other consideration.
03:08:32.37	Pat	And those sites have other considerations. I'm not sure about 31 and 32. I thought those were city leases. I obviously could be wrong.
03:08:42.06	Pat	If I am wrong, I'm wrong.
03:08:44.81	Pat	um
03:08:46.40	Pat	Have at it.
03:08:47.10	Pat	but
03:08:48.91	Pat	My comments first. Thank you.
03:08:51.10	Pat	Thank you, Pat.
03:08:53.94	Unknown	Our next speaker is Alice Merrill. Alice, you've been unmuted.
03:08:57.11	Unknown	as we share your video.
03:09:01.95	Alice Merrill	Okay.
03:09:02.53	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
03:09:02.58	Alice Merrill	I'm here. I've done those things.
03:09:06.11	Alice Merrill	Can you guys hear me? Yes, we can.
03:09:08.57	Alice Merrill	Okay.
03:09:09.36	Alice Merrill	I have a question and that is when there's a blue, a blue, um,
03:09:14.68	Alice Merrill	color right next to a pink color.
03:09:18.51	Alice Merrill	I can't remember what the blue color means because sometimes they're tucked in around the pink ones. And does that mean something that was looked at
03:09:25.34	Alice Merrill	and given and decided not to do anything with or?
03:09:30.20	Alice Merrill	Cause sometimes like in the last few, this doesn't happen.
03:09:34.37	Alice Merrill	There were blue places that weren't just talked about, but why are they marked up?
03:09:39.89	Alice Merrill	what i'm curious about mostly and i agree with the fellow who talked about 14 it's
03:09:44.83	Alice Merrill	pretty steep. There are a lot of reasons why
03:09:47.69	Alice Merrill	anything more than
03:09:49.59	Alice Merrill	Two apartments would be.
03:09:51.35	Alice Merrill	uh too many thank you
03:09:53.32	Alice Merrill	Thank you, Alice.
03:09:56.39	Unknown	Our next speaker is Peter Van Meter.
03:09:58.55	Unknown	Peter, you've been unmuted. Nice to share your video.
03:10:08.92	Kelman	Hello, Peter, you're still muted.
03:10:15.50	Kelman	You are still muted.
03:10:17.69	Kelman	Mm.
03:10:20.32	Kelman	Oh, still muted.
03:10:21.82	Kelman	Unfortunately.
03:10:25.79	SPEAKER_06	Keep clicking it.
03:10:26.84	SPEAKER_06	Can you hear me now? You're good. Thank you.
03:10:29.27	SPEAKER_06	All right, thank you.
03:10:30.53	SPEAKER_06	Pat is correct, 32 is actually part of a ground lease.
03:10:35.07	SPEAKER_06	It's not owned by the South City Yacht Harbor 31 is owned by the Yacht Harbor.
03:10:40.91	SPEAKER_06	And actually the picture of 32 is in my recollection, we studied this back in 2007 is incorrect. Spinnaker.
03:10:48.82	SPEAKER_06	is actually underground leads to the Spinnaker.
03:10:52.54	SPEAKER_06	So parcel 32 only goes over to the side of that roadway.
03:10:56.94	SPEAKER_06	So this map should be double checked and corrected.
03:10:59.78	SPEAKER_06	But 31 is owned by the odd harbor. The rest is under the lease. Thank you.
03:11:04.79	Kelman	Thank you, Peter.
03:11:07.39	Kelman	Okay, both Councilman of Cleveland Knowles and I have informed the consultant about the long-term leases on these properties.
03:11:15.81	Kelman	interest from the leaseholders and so
03:11:18.66	Kelman	They are on this list because the list holder has expressed
03:11:22.19	Kelman	an interest at least to some extent of evaluating that option.
03:11:28.75	Kelman	Any comments or questions on this for me?
03:11:33.29	Kelman	I don't see anyone's hand raised. So then we will move onward.
03:11:40.50	Kelman	Oh, pardon me, I see.
03:11:42.49	Unknown	Madam Mayor, Arthur Bruce just raised his hand.
03:11:47.70	Unknown	Bruce, you've been unmuted.
03:11:47.77	Unknown	Okay, we will thank you for being on mute.
03:11:56.90	SPEAKER_33	I just wanted to...
03:11:58.94	SPEAKER_33	HELLO.
03:12:00.48	SPEAKER_33	Madam Mayor, council members, I just wanted to echo
03:12:05.54	SPEAKER_33	Mayor and
03:12:06.92	SPEAKER_33	I'm not sure.
03:12:07.95	SPEAKER_33	Say that yes.
03:12:09.50	SPEAKER_33	We do support water-based housing
03:12:12.27	SPEAKER_33	That's an awesome idea.
03:12:17.49	SPEAKER_33	That's all I have.
03:12:18.35	SPEAKER_33	Okay.
03:12:19.02	SPEAKER_33	Oh.
03:12:20.18	Kelman	Thank you, Mr. Bruce.
03:12:20.71	SPEAKER_33	QC.
03:12:22.82	Kelman	OKAY.
03:12:23.69	Kelman	So Beth, no further comments or suggestions on this. Let's move on to the...
03:12:28.84	Kelman	Next grouping.
03:12:32.13	Kelman	I believe that is into Newtown, correct? Yes, thank you. Okay. Yes.
03:12:37.52	Kelman	So Newtown, we have two groups and let's see.
03:12:42.48	Kelman	I am in fact conflicted on Sites 51, 52,
03:12:46.56	Kelman	53, 54, 55, 50, 50, 70, 80.
03:12:49.77	Kelman	and 106, Council Member Hoffman is conflicted on site 58. So let me hand this over to the Vice Mayor and I will recuse myself.
03:12:59.84	Kelman	It sounds like on all of these sites. And turn my video off.
03:13:07.00	Huffman	Okay, thank you. I will also refuse.
03:13:10.24	Beth	Oh, and you are not recused on group one, Council Member Hoffman. Oh, I'm not, oh, sorry. No. Okay.
03:13:16.51	Beth	That would only be a site 58, which we didn't get property owner interest on, so it didn't get added. So you're good. All right.
03:13:24.50	Beth	So great.
03:13:25.20	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:13:25.61	Blausdean	Great. So are there any questions from the Council on these first set? We'll start with group one.
03:13:32.87	Blausdean	Do you have presentation on it?
03:13:34.47	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:13:34.57	Beth	Beth? Absolutely. So site 52 is the site that you have probably received many, many, many emails about over the last few days. And that is the city hall site at 420 Litho Street. It's a 2.2 acre parcel. We did anticipate that the Robin Sweeney Park would be untouched and that it would be mainly the city hall and parking area that could potentially be intensified with some additional housing of
03:13:59.51	Beth	The 49 unit per acre mixed use designation would accommodate about 37 units.
03:14:05.69	Beth	I'm,
03:14:06.94	Beth	I do want to clarify, so a lot of the public comments that I read from the community did indicate that they understood that there were going to be 724 units placed on the city hall site or 700 people residing at the city hall site and no, this is a much more modest
03:14:23.31	Beth	Modest anticipation here that the 37 units are what are envisioned currently so yes, there is room for that to to shift a bit through the housing element process, but I don't I don't envision it being quite as large as some people have have understood it to be so.
03:14:37.94	Beth	The 52 would be about 37 units. 53 is located on Bonita Street, just across from City Hall. And that's a vacant parcel.
03:14:47.03	Beth	would accommodate about six units.
03:14:50.39	Beth	54 is located at B Street. It's vacant and would accommodate about two units.
03:14:57.29	Beth	55 is, I believe, a single family home located on Napa Street and the owner is interested in some additional housing units, plus including a low income unit.
03:15:07.99	Beth	Site 56 is located over here on Napa Street, just under a quarter of an acre. It has a single dwelling and the property owner hadn't responded to outreach, but we did keep it on. It would accommodate eight units.
03:15:22.91	Beth	And then 57 is also a vacant parcel located at 220 Casno Avenue, and that is vacant and would accommodate about five units.
03:15:35.89	Beth	Those are the group one parcels and I'm happy to provide more information if you would like.
03:15:39.65	Sobieski	Why is the only use of Parcel 52 this relatively high density
03:15:45.50	Sobieski	idea that would also impact the current structure instead of
03:15:49.55	Sobieski	AT LEAST INCLUDING
03:15:51.43	Sobieski	another use, which would be something more modest, just would
03:15:54.57	Sobieski	just the parking lot with
03:15:56.44	Sobieski	a few units above
03:15:58.53	Sobieski	underground parking.
03:16:00.15	Beth	And there are many iterations that you could look at for a city hall. And so that could be something that you specifically request. We evaluate in the housing element and look at just the parking area.
03:16:11.19	Sobieski	Is that what we would do here and now?
03:16:13.80	Beth	Yeah, you definitely if you want it to give a specific direction on any of the sites that would that would be good to do because we'll evaluate it appropriately in the EIR we could, you know, this would be one of the sites where we could have a specific we could look at 37 units and the alternatives could examine a more modest proposal.
03:16:31.18	Sobieski	Okay.
03:16:31.93	Sobieski	Oh, 106 is not on your list. It's in the pink but not recommended list.
03:16:37.50	Sobieski	I believe is that the Portuguese Hall?
03:16:39.82	Beth	That is the Portuguese hall. We did not...
03:16:44.06	Beth	I don't believe Heidi heard anything from the property owner on that and
03:16:46.47	Sobieski	Bye.
03:16:48.58	Beth	We would...
03:16:49.97	Beth	recommend that that as well as a number of other sites be looked at for six cycle capacity because there might be interest from the property owner and intensify the use.
03:16:55.77	Sobieski	property owner.
03:16:58.42	Sobieski	That's the next cycle or did you say this cycle?
03:17:00.16	Beth	The seventh cycle, so the next cycle.
03:17:02.10	Sobieski	six but you meant seven um well given that you know this is this is our big mac here this is the big thing you gotta swallow 724 units um
03:17:11.11	Sobieski	Something like that seems like a natural place to
03:17:14.03	Sobieski	maybe expend a little bit of effort to really engage with the property owner.
03:17:18.45	Sobieski	given that it's a relatively unused site by the Portuguese Society, which in full disclosure, I'm a member of.
03:17:24.09	Sobieski	but just a regular dues-paying number but
03:17:28.49	Sobieski	you know they're a non-profit so i know that they might be difficult to engage with but the reward might be worth the effort
03:17:38.62	Blausdean	Did you have any additional questions, Council Member Sobieski?
03:17:41.67	Sobieski	I guess that was the question. Is it worth the effort?
03:17:44.56	Sobieski	Or is it something called the next cycle?
03:17:47.73	Beth	So you wouldn't, it wouldn't decrease, say, the City Hall site, the Martin Luther King Jr. site, some of the sites that are more contentious, because it wouldn't likely be large enough to yield a significant number of the very low and low income units. It would be, if you want, just to see additional capacity, it would be worth the effort. But if, I don't think it would do anything significant in changing your income.
03:17:58.76	Unknown	THE FAMILY.
03:18:10.97	Beth	your overall housing element. But it could be an interesting site, especially with the community-oriented nature of the existing use.
03:18:21.21	Blausdean	Great.
03:18:21.83	Blausdean	Thank Councilmember Sobieski, Councilmember Cleveland Knowles and then Councilmember Hoffman.
03:18:27.17	Cleveland	Yeah, I just wanted to add to in response to Council members that we asked this question about City Hall and the parking lot versus other parts of the site. I think that he actually
03:18:36.65	Cleveland	definitely felt that the Robin's winning portion should be
03:18:41.14	Cleveland	taken off the table.
03:18:42.67	Cleveland	And then I think because there was
03:18:45.69	Cleveland	kind of incomplete information about possible
03:18:49.66	Cleveland	renovation and reuse of the rest of the site that it was it was i think a 5-4 road or i can't remember exactly how it came out but to keep
03:18:58.25	Cleveland	City Hall on there.
03:18:59.72	Cleveland	One of the things that I
03:19:01.30	Cleveland	noted during that conversation is that at least in the past it hasn't come up well during this council.
03:19:08.65	Cleveland	City Hall is in
03:19:10.43	Cleveland	really dire need of some significant renovation and improvements. I think Councilmember Hoffman probably remembers
03:19:19.19	Cleveland	lots of conversations about that.
03:19:22.18	Cleveland	for me, a motivating factor to keep the City Hall site, at least for the time being on the site on the list,
03:19:29.91	Cleveland	is that it might be possible to do
03:19:32.81	Cleveland	some kind of renovation in a public-private partnership.
03:19:36.17	Cleveland	to both enhance City Hall
03:19:38.53	Cleveland	and achieve some housing capability there. So that's how the conversation went.
03:19:46.60	Cleveland	grossly summarizing, but
03:19:48.98	Cleveland	And obviously we have had a lot of public comment,
03:19:52.01	Cleveland	I think it would be worth
03:19:54.44	Cleveland	doing more public
03:19:55.74	Cleveland	information about the possibility as I do feel like some of the information that was put out
03:20:01.43	Cleveland	was not.
03:20:02.93	Cleveland	I'm in favor of keeping it as it is, but I'm not sure if I
03:20:08.84	Cleveland	CERTAINLY PRETTY CONSIDENT.
03:20:10.05	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:20:10.09	Cleveland	that are had options.
03:20:10.96	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:20:11.99	Blausdean	And then if you will get a question,
03:20:11.99	Unknown	And then if you will get a question,
03:20:12.53	Blausdean	to the discussion.
03:20:14.27	Blausdean	I'm sorry.
03:20:14.84	Blausdean	sorry i was just gonna say we'll get to discussion after we hear from public comment because i'm sure there'll be a lot of other questions that come up but i want to make sure councilmember huffman gets to ask the question unless ian are you
03:20:24.02	Blausdean	Sorry, Councillor Schultz.
03:20:24.21	Sobieski	I'm going to ask my colleague Susan whether it would be acceptable to
03:20:31.28	Sobieski	Thank you.
03:20:31.77	Sobieski	in addition to ask the
03:20:35.16	Sobieski	the consultant to look at the,
03:20:38.00	Sobieski	just the parking lot.
03:20:40.31	Sobieski	Sorry, it's late.
03:20:44.92	Cleveland	I think the vice mayor was suggesting we hear public comment.
03:20:45.71	Unknown	in our city.
03:20:49.05	Huffman	Thank you.
03:20:49.52	Cleveland	of this guy.
03:20:49.83	Huffman	.
03:20:50.03	Cleveland	Thank you.
03:20:51.68	Huffman	Council member Hoffman did you have a question? I did and it relates to that
03:20:58.50	Huffman	the 106 parcel. And so...
03:21:01.44	Huffman	Beth,
03:21:02.91	Huffman	Do you have any sense of
03:21:05.33	Huffman	the number of units. I mean, I've been in there. I think we've all been in there. It's quite large.
03:21:10.55	Huffman	So I would be interested in if you have any
03:21:14.70	Huffman	sense of how many units that would yield and follow up to council member Sobieski's point of you know I believe he or I could facilitate contact with the owner on that so yeah to me that's a that's a high perhaps an opportunity site that we're we haven't captured.
03:21:36.50	Huffman	Can you let me?
03:21:36.52	Cleveland	I think it did come up at the HIAC and there was
03:21:40.39	Cleveland	very significant interest in second floor
03:21:43.64	Cleveland	um,
03:21:44.87	Cleveland	Yeah.
03:21:45.97	Cleveland	keeping the communities on the ground floor and the second floor.
03:21:49.94	Cleveland	presidential component. So I'm surprised that it's still not on there. That's
03:21:53.97	Beth	It's...
03:21:54.09	Cleveland	Thank you.
03:21:54.20	Beth	you
03:21:54.78	Beth	So it would allow 14 units if it was designated at 70 units per acre and about six units at 49 units per acre, looking at like a mixed use type of scenario.
03:22:05.90	Alice Merrill	Mm-hmm.
03:22:06.54	Alice Merrill	Okay, thanks Beth.
03:22:09.95	Blausdean	I had a question about this, a couple of questions about the city hall site in response to public comment, Beth. Um, in particular, we had received quite a few comments about the concern of a
03:22:20.90	Blausdean	Public safety or a emergency zone.
03:22:24.21	Blausdean	Could you take that into consideration for the site to make sure that we had a designated emergency?
03:22:29.36	Blausdean	services zone.
03:22:32.33	Blausdean	either within the City Hall site or otherwise as you're doing.
03:22:34.94	Beth	or designated elsewhere. So replacing that, yeah, we can include policy language in the housing element to address that.
03:22:36.55	Blausdean	Yeah.
03:22:40.59	Blausdean	Okay, because that was a critical component that had come up.
03:22:42.99	Blausdean	And then it seems like
03:22:44.54	Blausdean	based on discussion, but we'll see. Let's go ahead and take public comment on this because I know there'll be a lot of
03:22:49.99	Blausdean	and
03:22:51.48	Blausdean	a lot of feedback and thanks to everyone who sent emails and correspondence as well so we'll go ahead and open it up serge could you facilitate the speakers please
03:23:00.62	Unknown	Sure Vice Mayor, we have our first speaker, Peter Van Meter. Peter you've been unmuted.
03:23:10.38	SPEAKER_06	Can you hear me now?
03:23:12.03	Blausdean	Yes, we can hear you.
03:23:13.52	SPEAKER_06	All right, I strongly support the sub analysis in the EIR of housing over
03:23:19.41	SPEAKER_06	parking lot on a platform.
03:23:21.48	SPEAKER_06	If you have to look at the entire site, I guess you do.
03:23:24.44	SPEAKER_06	I think that at the end of the day, the housing on the platform is the way to go.
03:23:30.02	SPEAKER_06	um,
03:23:31.32	SPEAKER_06	And there was something else, but I forgot. So we'll let it go with that. Thank you.
03:23:35.42	Blausdean	Thank you very much, Peter, for your comments.
03:23:38.65	Unknown	Our next speaker is Pat. Pat, you're being unmuted. Nice to share your video.
03:23:46.42	Pat	Thank you, dear.
03:23:48.50	Pat	Thank you.
03:23:48.52	Blausdean	Yes, Pat, we can see and hear you.
03:23:50.46	Pat	I can't, he's senior. Okay, I can see him.
03:23:52.84	Pat	I agree totally with Peter.
03:23:55.66	Pat	Amazingly.
03:23:57.26	Pat	See you.
03:23:59.82	Pat	I think the city hall parking lot should be included.
03:24:03.11	Pat	probably 37 units is quite excessive.
03:24:06.71	Pat	but
03:24:07.99	Pat	we should retain our
03:24:09.49	Pat	City Hall and use the
03:24:11.77	Pat	platform over the parking lot to put in what we can control which is low-income units.
03:24:17.61	Pat	As to 106,
03:24:20.70	Pat	I am a little astonished that we would eliminate that by virtue solely of a lack of property owner response. That is only one consideration.
03:24:31.53	Pat	and shouldn't be and is not the only consideration. So I think that should be included as a potential.
03:24:38.25	Pat	And if we can reach out and gain their support, that's fine. If not,
03:24:43.19	Pat	it's a rezoning and a potential reuse so I would urge retaining that.
03:24:48.95	Pat	Thank you.
03:24:50.03	Blausdean	you
03:24:50.09	Pat	Thank you.
03:24:50.18	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:24:50.19	Pat	Thank you very much, Pat.
03:24:53.38	Unknown	Our next speaker is Sue Stevenson. Sue, you've been unmuted.
03:24:58.53	Unknown	Share your video.
03:25:08.76	Blausdean	Hi Sue, you're still muted.
03:25:14.19	Blausdean	We still can't hear you.
03:25:24.23	Blausdean	Okay, while we get that figured out, Serge, why don't we move to the next speaker and we'll come back to Sue Stevenson.
03:25:29.87	Unknown	Sure, our next speaker, it's a phone number, ending on 4042, you've been unmuted.
03:25:37.82	Unknown	Thank you.
03:25:37.95	Unknown	Thank you.
03:25:38.41	Unknown	Thank you.
03:25:40.97	Unknown	Hello, my name is Sonia.
03:25:43.27	Unknown	And hello, Madam Mayor and City Council members.
03:25:46.98	Unknown	When I heard about this proposal for housing at City Hall, I went around to talk to other residents, both in Old and Newtown.
03:25:55.06	Unknown	everyone I spoke to was appalled to hear that this was even a consideration.
03:26:01.22	Unknown	No one was supportive of the city hall location for any kind of housing.
03:26:05.81	Unknown	This is the center of our town and the city's civic public block.
03:26:10.32	Unknown	It's all, it's,
03:26:11.60	Unknown	sole purpose is to remain as public
03:26:14.96	Unknown	to serve all Sausalito residents and Marin County residents as well.
03:26:19.53	Unknown	And
03:26:20.59	Unknown	Even the suggestion to alter any part of the city hall block is entirely
03:26:25.99	Unknown	shocking and unacceptable to us as South Toledo residents and
03:26:30.36	Unknown	As mentioned, it is our emergency gathering place. We've used it for
03:26:36.24	Unknown	repeatedly over time
03:26:39.53	Unknown	for many, many, you know,
03:26:43.41	Unknown	SITUATIONS.
03:26:44.83	Unknown	when they occurred.
03:26:47.41	Unknown	This building also has historical value, and everyone in town cherishes it.
03:26:52.50	Unknown	as long as
03:26:53.87	Unknown	So, um,
03:26:55.56	Unknown	Sorry.
03:26:56.93	Unknown	As a long-term resident of over four decades, I implore you to listen to our voices and remove this entire block from the list of potential sites.
03:27:06.22	Unknown	for housing.
03:27:07.59	Unknown	I also have a question.
03:27:09.99	Unknown	As a question, will our views
03:27:13.70	Unknown	of existing residents be considered when developing new units.
03:27:18.36	Unknown	and historically,
03:27:20.18	Unknown	views have always been considered and protected.
03:27:24.03	Unknown	So I throw that out to you.
03:27:27.32	Unknown	to respond at some point.
03:27:30.31	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:27:31.98	Blausdean	Thank you very much for your comments.
03:27:35.01	Unknown	We're gonna try again Sue Stevenson. You've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
03:27:57.86	Blausdean	Okay, it looks like we're still having an issue. Maybe, Serge, we can message them the dial-in number and they could call on the phone. In the meantime, we'll go to the next speaker and circle back again and try.
03:28:08.68	Unknown	Sure, our next speaker will be Trisha. Trisha, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
03:28:18.57	Unknown	Hey there, I'm Trisha Gilman. I'm a resident of Sausalito. And I just wanted to support the ideas that Ian had suggested to look at just the parking lot for the development of City Hall. I also hear that there may be some updates needed on City Hall itself. So maybe there is a mixed use there. But maintaining and ensuring that we have a library, that we have public access to the City Hall, I think is extremely important.
03:28:43.78	Unknown	I also heard that maybe you guys are addressing this already, but that you were looking to do something different with Sweeney Park. And I wanted to just go on record as saying that
03:28:54.02	Unknown	We already spent millions of dollars updating Sweeney Park in the last decade. And so it would be irresponsible of us to actually do something different with that space. And then as a parent, I want to go on record as saying that it is such an important part of the young families that have moved into the city in the past 10 years.
03:29:12.25	Unknown	that I think we want to make sure that we maintain that. Finally, I think on 106, it's already a commercial
03:29:18.15	Unknown	You know, it's a commercially
03:29:21.11	Unknown	zoned space and so we should continue to look and we should put that on record as being a place where we could count on some housing because there's nothing that would change the usage we have today by then maybe adding a second floor and adding housing.
03:29:35.08	Blausdean	Thank you so much for your comments, Tricia.
03:29:38.72	Blausdean	Do you want to try Sue one more time or go to the next speaker? Were you able to send the login or the dial in info?
03:29:45.15	Unknown	Vice mayor, I was able to send them an email. Hopefully they'll be able to,
03:29:49.74	Unknown	I'm joined by phone.
03:29:51.73	Unknown	Great. Our next speaker will be Joan Cox. Joan, you...
03:29:57.25	Unknown	I've been unmuted and I still shared your video.
03:30:05.49	Blausdean	Hi, Joan. You're still muted. I can't hear you.
03:30:15.90	Blausdean	we still can't hear you, unfortunately.
03:30:24.24	Blausdean	Okay, we'll go to the next commenter while you work on figuring that out. Maybe you can dial in or call in if you need to.
03:30:31.49	Unknown	Our next speaker is
03:30:32.98	Unknown	Nastasya Saad. And Nastasya, you've been unmuted. Nice to share your video.
03:30:40.17	Anastasia Saeed	Bye.
03:30:41.23	Anastasia Saeed	HIGH AGAIN.
03:30:42.88	Anastasia Saeed	Hi Mayor and City Council. I wanted to speak on this topic just in looking at all the public comment from that came in over the last few days. I think
03:30:54.51	Anastasia Saeed	Just to be clear, a lot of that comment and my opinion
03:30:59.15	Anastasia Saeed	personally is the entire block. So including the parking lot, which does have core value to the residents, to the surrounding neighborhood and to a lot of other people that come to make use
03:31:11.10	Anastasia Saeed	You know, we're talking about the park that was renovated. A lot of money was put in there, but
03:31:15.99	Anastasia Saeed	the amount of people that come to park in that parking lot and use the surrounding services, Caledonia, Bonita,
03:31:23.70	Anastasia Saeed	and Litho are very impacted already in terms of space. We've had a lot of young families move in, which is great to see the neighborhood revitalized. Growing up here, it was my brother and I and very few kids. So it's really great to see
03:31:40.17	Anastasia Saeed	families have already expanded into this space.
03:31:42.86	Anastasia Saeed	SO I THINK,
03:31:44.46	Anastasia Saeed	We have to pay attention to the whole neighborhood and density has been increased in individual units already.
03:31:49.91	Anastasia Saeed	in this space, but City Hall and the entire surrounding area parking lot
03:31:55.78	Anastasia Saeed	basketball court, the park.
03:31:57.62	Anastasia Saeed	And I get those are not even on the list currently in the space, but
03:32:02.08	Anastasia Saeed	looking at it holistically doesn't make sense for housing.
03:32:06.82	Anastasia Saeed	It's where we do our city business and hopefully in a post COVID era,
03:32:10.48	Anastasia Saeed	we're going to be inviting the whole town back to events to join city council in person.
03:32:18.16	Anastasia Saeed	make use of it in a civic way.
03:32:22.75	Anastasia Saeed	knowing that it needs repairs.
03:32:25.13	Anastasia Saeed	is critical and I think we should look at how we can finance for it, but I don't think using the housing element and this process to have any
03:32:35.88	Anastasia Saeed	to get the repairs done in this,
03:32:38.29	Anastasia Saeed	in this way makes sense. I think we need to look at those as two separate tasks at hand. Thank you.
03:32:45.01	Blausdean	Thank you. Let's go back to Joan if we can try and see if she can get her audio to work.
03:32:49.82	Blausdean	Can you hear me now?
03:32:51.08	Blausdean	Yes, we can hear you.
03:32:51.99	SPEAKER_08	I can hear you.
03:32:52.08	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
03:32:52.95	Blausdean	Bye.
03:32:53.56	SPEAKER_08	All right, I just wanted to give a heads up about Site 106. My understanding is that there may be some interest
03:33:01.71	SPEAKER_08	there is some
03:33:03.22	SPEAKER_08	financial stress on the property owner at the moment and so there may well be an interest
03:33:08.50	SPEAKER_08	in having that rezoned to allow
03:33:12.50	SPEAKER_08	for additional units on a second floor.
03:33:16.68	SPEAKER_08	Unfortunately these days it's cheaper to tear down and rebuild than to just add a floor.
03:33:21.96	SPEAKER_08	But aside from that, my understanding is that there may well be some interest, so I would recommend adding that.
03:33:27.83	SPEAKER_08	And then with city hall,
03:33:29.59	SPEAKER_08	I wanted to make it clear to the city council that the HEAC voted not to remove, not to include any parks.
03:33:37.20	SPEAKER_08	on the as potential opportunity sites. So that's all of the parks in town, including Mary Ann Sears Park, including other parks that were not
03:33:47.34	SPEAKER_08	AS RECENTLY.
03:33:48.93	SPEAKER_08	in which there was not as much money recently invested.
03:33:51.75	SPEAKER_08	So I wanted to make that clear that that was the hope of the HEAC and of public comments.
03:33:56.44	SPEAKER_08	with respect to the parks so that city hall development would not
03:34:00.05	SPEAKER_08	effect.
03:34:01.11	SPEAKER_08	Robin Sweeney Park and would preserve City Hall services and would preserve parking. It would just be units of housing in addition to the
03:34:09.60	SPEAKER_08	Thank you.
03:34:10.85	Blausdean	Thank you very much for your comments.
03:34:12.98	Unknown	Madam Mayor, Madam Vice Mayor, pardon me. I will try again, Sue Stevenson and Sue.
03:34:21.62	Unknown	It appears as you are on two devices now. So I'm clicking on both to see if you can
03:34:27.93	Unknown	actually in the
03:34:30.49	Unknown	you
03:34:38.17	Alice Merrill	Good.
03:34:38.91	SPEAKER_12	Hello?
03:34:39.88	Alice Merrill	Oh, we can hear you now.
03:34:42.17	SPEAKER_12	Okay, I'm a little bit hoarse, not to worry more actually.
03:34:47.57	SPEAKER_12	I live across from the Perkin Island area.
03:34:51.30	SPEAKER_12	at 52.
03:34:53.22	SPEAKER_12	Peter and Pat do not.
03:34:55.69	SPEAKER_12	and
03:34:56.83	SPEAKER_12	So my concern is when picking this
03:34:59.67	SPEAKER_12	Thanks.
03:35:00.61	SPEAKER_12	And
03:35:01.15	SPEAKER_12	Do people actually consider the cost of developing a site when they make it available for use?
03:35:07.65	SPEAKER_12	because this particular site would be extremely
03:35:10.59	SPEAKER_12	as a builder, would be extremely expensive to develop.
03:35:10.82	Unknown	builder.
03:35:14.81	SPEAKER_12	So going through all this trouble of creating a site and submitting it,
03:35:18.69	SPEAKER_12	If the cost analysis is not submitted,
03:35:21.02	SPEAKER_12	or at least done.
03:35:22.55	SPEAKER_12	to consider the site being on the list.
03:35:25.03	SPEAKER_12	And that's, I guess that's a different bit.
03:35:28.93	SPEAKER_12	The other thing is the parking lot is extremely valuable.
03:35:33.50	SPEAKER_12	And I know by covering it,
03:35:35.46	SPEAKER_12	It's not going to be just saying.
03:35:37.01	SPEAKER_12	and it's going to bring a lot of high density. And when you bring high density into an area,
03:35:42.16	SPEAKER_12	You don't give people pride of ownership in their housing.
03:35:45.94	SPEAKER_12	And it's, in the long run, it's detrimental.
03:35:49.45	SPEAKER_12	I've lived in San Francisco for 25 years before moving out here to Sausalito.
03:35:53.87	SPEAKER_12	And I see a number of projects being
03:35:56.49	SPEAKER_12	How are they?
03:35:57.48	SPEAKER_12	and we build
03:35:58.80	SPEAKER_12	and in no consideration for open space
03:36:02.12	SPEAKER_12	or backyard space.
03:36:04.18	SPEAKER_12	giving people pride of ownership, and it resorted back into a ghetto situation within 10 years.
03:36:10.02	SPEAKER_12	So these are.
03:36:11.25	SPEAKER_12	these are concerns that
03:36:13.18	SPEAKER_12	decisions of Southlito have
03:36:15.44	SPEAKER_12	in considering low income housing or high density housing.
03:36:19.03	SPEAKER_12	And I understand that we do, that can has been kicked for 35 years over here.
03:36:23.98	SPEAKER_12	and we need the housing, but there's different ways to do it.
03:36:27.23	SPEAKER_12	And I would please ask these people to consider
03:36:30.34	SPEAKER_12	the impact on the neighborhood
03:36:32.35	SPEAKER_12	and the historical value of Site 52.
03:36:36.35	SPEAKER_12	Thank you.
03:36:38.41	Blausdean	you very much for your comments and for bearing with us through the technological difficulties uh okay is there any further public comment surge
03:36:45.93	Unknown	Madam Vice Mayor, we do not have any, oh, we just got another hand raised. Megan, Megan, you're being unmuted. And as you share your video.
03:36:58.23	Unknown	Hey there, my name is Nick Bressler.
03:37:00.33	Unknown	Wipes Megan reason her zoom. I just wanted to reiterate that I agree with Natasha's points that she made earlier. That's a really nice job articulating kind of my wife's and I have views on things. We live right across the street from
03:37:12.39	Unknown	52 on Girard as well.
03:37:14.72	Unknown	And a couple points, I mean, cumulatively all of the units on Newtown seem like they comprise close to 10% of the 724 required units.
03:37:24.39	Unknown	Seems like a lot for one neighborhood to absorb.
03:37:26.97	Unknown	And then the 37 units proposed for site 52 seem like an enormous amount of units for that particular site to absorb as well. So I'm glad to hear that the parks...
03:37:36.12	Unknown	I'm no longer included. I go there frequently with my kids.
03:37:40.05	Unknown	But even the parking lot being absorbed for that many of units I think seems
03:37:46.95	Unknown	extremely high
03:37:48.42	Unknown	And I would like to be kind of
03:37:51.19	Unknown	reevaluate it altogether.
03:37:52.84	Unknown	And then I agree with Natazi's point with if city hall needs renovating, which I would agree there's an opportunity there.
03:37:59.00	Unknown	THAT SHOULD BE HANDLED SEPARATELY.
03:38:01.01	Unknown	And thanks everybody for staying late on talking about these issues. Appreciate it.
03:38:05.02	Blausdean	Thank you very much for your comments, Nick. Okay, any, oh, we have one more public comment, I see.
03:38:12.08	Unknown	We have Lori, Lori, you've been unmuted. Let's do share your video.
03:38:23.82	Unknown	Lori, you'll need to unmute on your end.
03:38:31.92	SPEAKER_14	Has that worked? Yes. Okay, great. No video, I'm actually in bed.
03:38:33.22	Unknown	Yes.
03:38:33.68	Unknown	I CAN HEAR YOU.
03:38:38.77	SPEAKER_14	So thank you for all your work on doing this. I know that it's a difficult decision. I am strongly opposed to any building on the city hall building.
03:38:50.10	SPEAKER_14	block at all.
03:38:51.43	SPEAKER_14	THE
03:38:52.02	SPEAKER_14	The civic heartbeat is that our community is in the whole area.
03:38:58.42	SPEAKER_14	having
03:38:59.31	SPEAKER_14	like increasing the density of population is
03:39:02.60	SPEAKER_14	while it might not be
03:39:04.19	SPEAKER_14	actually on the park or
03:39:06.87	SPEAKER_14	on the basketball court or in the building of the current city hall
03:39:12.71	SPEAKER_14	having
03:39:14.35	SPEAKER_14	an increased number of people living right there will impact those areas significantly.
03:39:21.03	SPEAKER_14	And it's going to take away something that I think
03:39:23.58	SPEAKER_14	we all need as a community, which is
03:39:26.89	SPEAKER_14	a comfortable,
03:39:28.61	SPEAKER_14	spacious gathering place. And this is what it means to be a community is have people
03:39:34.21	SPEAKER_14	come together,
03:39:35.51	SPEAKER_14	people um
03:39:37.19	SPEAKER_14	you know, places to celebrate, places to
03:39:40.92	SPEAKER_14	bring families, places where people can resource themselves and resource each other.
03:39:46.59	SPEAKER_14	So it's not just a matter of keeping
03:39:49.36	SPEAKER_14	housing
03:39:50.38	SPEAKER_14	on one part of it because there will be a spillover effect, and not just in traffic, but in people as well.
03:39:57.06	SPEAKER_14	And that will have a different
03:39:58.61	SPEAKER_14	incredibly deleterious impact on the sense of community here.
03:40:02.54	SPEAKER_14	Thank you.
03:40:03.89	Blausdean	Thank you very much for your comments, Lori.
03:40:06.46	Unknown	Madam Vice Mayor, we do have another speaker, Bruce Arthur, you're being unmuted. Nice to share your video.
03:40:17.53	SPEAKER_35	I'm just going to have to
03:40:19.18	SPEAKER_35	once again just echo the last
03:40:21.69	SPEAKER_35	Speaker.
03:40:22.52	SPEAKER_35	And
03:40:23.87	SPEAKER_35	And also as far as renovations on city hall, um,
03:40:28.50	SPEAKER_35	I love it just the way it is.
03:40:30.88	SPEAKER_35	One of my favorite things about it is
03:40:32.88	SPEAKER_35	when you walk into the door,
03:40:35.19	SPEAKER_35	you're heading towards the library you look to the right and there's a
03:40:38.06	SPEAKER_35	beautiful painting of
03:40:40.19	SPEAKER_35	of the
03:40:41.35	SPEAKER_35	of the water-based community
03:40:43.90	SPEAKER_35	Um,
03:40:44.81	SPEAKER_35	particularly,
03:40:46.13	SPEAKER_35	You can see the teepee and
03:40:49.57	SPEAKER_35	Diane Moyers Houseboat and some others.
03:40:52.90	SPEAKER_35	And, um,
03:40:53.81	SPEAKER_35	even though that the city is still in coercion with the
03:40:58.04	SPEAKER_35	R-B-R-A,
03:41:01.55	SPEAKER_35	you know, hope that no matter what happens to City Hall, that, that, uh,
03:41:05.32	SPEAKER_35	even though the,
03:41:06.53	SPEAKER_35	those people and that
03:41:08.14	SPEAKER_35	that legacy
03:41:10.82	SPEAKER_35	it's part of the
03:41:12.76	SPEAKER_35	core of this community.
03:41:14.92	SPEAKER_35	in the water-based community,
03:41:16.62	SPEAKER_35	lives on. I hope that painting is
03:41:19.17	SPEAKER_35	allowed to
03:41:20.76	SPEAKER_35	stay up when
03:41:22.21	SPEAKER_35	all the money.
03:41:23.52	SPEAKER_35	takes control of everything.
03:41:29.65	Blausdean	Thank you for your comments.
03:41:31.67	Unknown	Madam Mayor, there are no other hands raised.
03:41:33.94	Blausdean	Okay.
03:41:34.66	Unknown	I'm sorry.
03:41:35.76	Blausdean	Thank you. Thank you very much, Serge. We will close public comment at this time and bring it back up to the council. So who wants to kick us off with comment?
03:41:46.22	Unknown	you
03:41:49.23	Huffman	Councilmember Huffman.
03:41:51.60	Huffman	Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Ian.
03:41:53.31	Huffman	You were leaning forward before I could put my hand up.
03:41:56.74	Sobieski	Well, look, I mean, this is a case in point of what's frustrated me. Last year when I voted against hiring the consultant, it's because I favored a plan that
03:42:03.97	Sobieski	was based on a master planning process that would
03:42:06.69	Sobieski	have actually presented
03:42:08.33	Sobieski	people who live across the street from one of these developments.
03:42:11.99	Sobieski	real confidence in what is being considered in on the site location and
03:42:16.90	Sobieski	I live across the street.
03:42:19.47	Sobieski	from the red box, not knowing what goes in the red box, I do would be afraid of what is in the red box.
03:42:26.17	Sobieski	So I still and it's for later on in this meeting, we'll advocate that we supplement this process with the beginnings of the master plan process. Fortunately, what I heard Beth say is that we do have some budget in our current housing element
03:42:40.96	Sobieski	consulting agreement with them,
03:42:42.72	Sobieski	to put some meat on the bones of this and actually show people what we what
03:42:48.56	Sobieski	might be there or what would be there.
03:42:51.70	Sobieski	uh,
03:42:53.35	Sobieski	And so that might or might not ameliorate some of the concerns. I'm very concerned about doing anything with City Hall on the whole, Site-52.
03:43:04.25	Sobieski	doing something just over the parking lot where you preserve the parking lot
03:43:07.80	Sobieski	uh,
03:43:08.94	Sobieski	And if you only did that, it wouldn't be 37 units.
03:43:12.79	Sobieski	fraction of that.
03:43:13.99	Sobieski	seems
03:43:15.27	Sobieski	like it might be enhancing actually to the area but it all depends on what the
03:43:19.84	Sobieski	So I would love to add
03:43:22.48	Sobieski	And again, just so everyone remembers, this is not a decision to do anything except
03:43:27.94	Sobieski	to do the EIR study, right? So I would just like to add, and request that we add,
03:43:33.01	Sobieski	Another sub-site, which is just the parking lot of the City Hall, and with the stipulation that it preserved the parking lot and would be construction over it.
03:43:43.18	Sobieski	And I suggest we add a cycle 106, which
03:43:47.55	Sobieski	I think, Indeed, is owned by a nonprofit and has been thinking of what they should do with their site. And so that could be an additional 14 units
03:43:57.78	Sobieski	take pressure off of other areas in town for
03:44:01.25	Sobieski	for high density.
03:44:02.59	Sobieski	for more time
03:44:05.36	Blausdean	Great, we'll go to Council Member Hoffman next.
03:44:07.11	Huffman	.
03:44:08.65	Huffman	Thank you. So yes, I would. I'm in agreement with Councilmember Sobieski in his comments. I think
03:44:15.94	Huffman	Um,
03:44:16.92	Huffman	You know, I,
03:44:17.96	Huffman	I understand the concerns with the site and I don't disagree with a lot of the concerns with the site.
03:44:22.70	Huffman	Thank you.
03:44:22.94	Huffman	But I think right now,
03:44:25.50	Huffman	I'm leaning toward just leaving sites on so that we can get the IAR done. And then the hard work of really looking at it holistically as council member Silbieski said in a comprehensive plan
03:44:38.87	Huffman	is I think, you know, the better way to go. So
03:44:42.51	Huffman	with those comments, I don't have a request to remove this site, but you know, if we're prioritizing
03:44:49.37	Huffman	or signaling to prioritization, I would say this would not be my favorite or top of the list site, or maybe even
03:44:56.08	Huffman	the first sites it might be something lower down on the list or taking it off at the end of the day so that's those are my comments
03:45:05.50	Huffman	Thank you.
03:45:05.53	Blausdean	Great, thanks Councilmember Hoffman. Councilmember Cleveland knows?
03:45:09.73	Cleveland	Yeah, I mean, having
03:45:09.82	Blausdean	Yeah.
03:45:14.83	Cleveland	this site, you know, we have site control of this site, which I think is important. It's a publicly owned site.
03:45:23.13	Cleveland	I don't think anyone has been talking about taking away civic use or civic
03:45:28.16	Cleveland	belonging from the space. That's definitely something that we've been
03:45:28.28	Unknown	BELONGINGS.
03:45:29.71	Unknown	face.
03:45:32.90	Cleveland	CONTINUATING TO KEEP
03:45:34.34	Cleveland	Thank you.
03:45:34.83	Cleveland	on the table.
03:45:36.21	Cleveland	So yeah, I like Ian's idea of having
03:45:36.23	Unknown	So yeah.
03:45:39.30	Cleveland	calling the site out specifically for
03:45:39.37	Unknown	CALLING.
03:45:42.49	Cleveland	alternative studies, especially just using the back parking lot and retaining the parking
03:45:48.17	Cleveland	I mean, that's always been the idea not to remove
03:45:51.06	Cleveland	our team to build a bunch.
03:45:53.51	Cleveland	I think.
03:45:55.23	Cleveland	that would be helpful.
03:45:56.51	Cleveland	And that's, this is not
03:45:59.06	Cleveland	Yeah, I think what is it, 38 units, 37 units.
03:46:04.48	Cleveland	Amen.
03:46:05.20	Cleveland	I don't think that's gonna...
03:46:08.61	Cleveland	hurt us too much.
03:46:10.13	Cleveland	I would just, this is a comment I made a lot at the HIAC and we haven't really had a space for general comments.
03:46:10.26	Cloris Henry	I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
03:46:16.04	Cleveland	But I guess I would just love
03:46:18.13	Cleveland	to
03:46:19.48	Cleveland	I just encourage people to think about all the different ways to build community
03:46:23.70	Sobieski	Thank you.
03:46:24.42	Cleveland	Um,
03:46:25.70	Cleveland	you know, that bringing new people and new energy to our
03:46:30.31	Cleveland	our community is a way of enhancing our community. I'd like to make that point. And I would also love to encourage people
03:46:37.06	Cleveland	who are opposed to a particular site for
03:46:39.97	Cleveland	whatever reason to also
03:46:42.14	Cleveland	really think proactively about where they would
03:46:45.01	Cleveland	I would like to see new housing in town and to also
03:46:50.65	Cleveland	PROVIDE
03:46:52.03	Cleveland	proactive alternatives.
03:46:55.05	Cleveland	And I'm not speaking specifically to people that commented about this, but just in general,
03:47:00.55	Cleveland	Because it's easy to think about where we don't want things to go, but harder to think about.
03:47:07.10	Cleveland	proactive vision for enhancing our community, if you imagine.
03:47:12.48	Cleveland	but I'm in favor of the idea.
03:47:15.28	Blausdean	Great. So I tend to fall out with the rest of the council. This is it was really
03:47:20.48	Blausdean	I was really happy to see so much feedback and community engagement around this site, mostly because it's great to see
03:47:27.06	Blausdean	that we have new voices that we haven't heard from before and also just that so many folks were passionate about having a civic center that we can all share in but i tend to agree and i think we're all on the same page with the direction
03:47:38.84	Blausdean	to look specifically at the parking lot at the city hall site and make sure that we're maintaining
03:47:44.58	Blausdean	the Civic use and the Robin Sweeney site. And what I wasn't clear from you, Councilmember Cleveland-Knowles, were you be in favor as well of adding site 106
03:47:56.19	Blausdean	Yes.
03:47:56.95	Blausdean	Okay.
03:47:57.56	Cleveland	Oh yeah, we've been trying to add that from the HIAC for the entire time, so yes.
03:48:02.94	Blausdean	Okay, great. Okay, so and I would just echo some of the comments about community and the role of housing and how important it is. Because, you know, the more housing opportunities we create, the more we can welcome folks, new folks into our community, but also, you know, our workforce, people who serve our community in Sausalito can't afford to live in Sausalito for many of them. And I think it would be really, in a lot of ways, convenient for some workers from City Hall to be able to just walk downstairs to their office so it's it's great to think about a master plan for the vision for housing for all of us so I think
03:48:35.17	Blausdean	Do we need to take a vote on the direction for Site 52 of looking at the parking lot and the inclusion of 106?
03:48:41.80	Blausdean	I'm looking for direction from the city attorney.
03:48:46.93	Cleveland	Sounds like we have direction.
03:48:48.99	Blausdean	I think we've given pretty clear direction here. So I don't think we all- You're including them both, correct?
03:48:51.44	Cleveland	THAT IS NOT.
03:48:51.98	Mary Wagner	you're including
03:48:52.62	Cleveland	THE FAMILY.
03:48:52.96	Mary Wagner	CORRECT?
03:48:53.16	Mary Wagner	Thank you.
03:48:53.70	Mary Wagner	What is the
03:48:53.89	Blausdean	106 and 52, but specifically with a look at the parking lot at 52.
03:48:59.42	Blausdean	GOT IT.
03:49:00.23	Beth	And is that in addition to looking at the larger area, not including Robin Sweeney Park or just the parking lot only?
03:49:08.23	Blausdean	I think the consensus and the direction we're getting from everyone is to look at just the parking lot. Well, let me just clarify with other members of the council.
03:49:16.55	Cleveland	I thought EM said,
03:49:18.07	Cleveland	I would look at 37 units but focus on an alternative that only use the parking lot with parking underneath.
03:49:26.05	Cleveland	Is that what you said, Ann?
03:49:27.33	Sobieski	That is what I said, but it wouldn't be 37 units if it's just the parking lot.
03:49:32.65	Cleveland	Bye.
03:49:33.32	Cleveland	I meant as an alternative to the
03:49:35.33	Sobieski	at the 30th century.
03:49:36.61	Sobieski	That's right, it would be substantially fewer number of units over the parking lot only.
03:49:41.61	Sobieski	and add 106.
03:49:44.63	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:49:44.65	Beth	Okay.
03:49:45.94	Blausdean	as a result.
03:49:46.03	Beth	Does that make sense, Beth?
03:49:47.48	Beth	So yes, we'll look at just fewer units, just the parking lot.
03:49:52.49	Beth	and add one a sec.
03:49:53.03	Blausdean	I'm sorry.
03:49:53.10	Blausdean	when I say.
03:49:57.05	Blausdean	Okay, great.
03:49:58.35	Blausdean	Thank you very much. I think we can welcome back Mayor Kelman at this point.
03:50:02.09	Blausdean	for the next site, right?
03:50:06.36	Beth	Yes. Okay, great.
03:50:09.53	Beth	the next next portion of this neighborhood. There are no conflicts.
03:50:15.32	Beth	Thank you.
03:50:15.54	Blausdean	Thank you for bearing with me through my first facilitation of the meeting.
03:50:18.93	Blausdean	Excellent job.
03:50:19.02	Kelman	Excellent job.
03:50:20.01	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:50:20.03	Kelman	Excellent.
03:50:20.49	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:50:20.60	Kelman	I'm refreshed. So thank you for that.
03:50:22.46	Blausdean	Thank you.
03:50:22.82	Kelman	Okay, so we're still in Newtown. This is Group 2, Sites 35, 39.
03:50:22.93	Blausdean	Okay.
03:50:28.11	Kelman	40, 42, 44, 45, 46, and 47. Over to you, Beth.
03:50:33.67	Kelman	Thank you.
03:50:33.70	Beth	All right, so this is a chunk of units here. So we have site 35 located at 429 Johnson Street. This is a city-owned site with a small structure. It has the potential for about three units, looking at multifamily at 49 units per acre.
03:50:51.01	Beth	We have site 39, which is the...
03:50:55.69	Beth	Commercial waterfront designation and there's property owner interest on this side, it would accommodate about four units with a mixed use designation and it is subject to the fair traffic initiative.
03:51:06.59	Beth	We have site 40 located at 501 Humboldt, which is
03:51:12.31	Beth	just right across from
03:51:13.96	Beth	The site 39 also property owner interest also subject to the fair traffic initiative and that would accommodate about two units.
03:51:22.01	Beth	site 42 also property owner interest here and
03:51:26.89	Beth	This is
03:51:28.43	Beth	would accommodate about four units. And these we'd all be looking at a mixed use designation also subject to the fair traffic initiative.
03:51:36.88	Beth	Sites 44, 45, and 46 kind of all back up with one another. 44 is located at 210 Caledonia Street.
03:51:45.49	Beth	would accommodate one unit property owner interest there. And similarly, 45 and 46 also have property owner interest and would each accommodate additional unit with a mixed use designation.
03:51:57.64	Beth	And these are already designated CR so would accommodate some some residential development already and there is property owner interest and those sites site 47 is 300 locust street and it's adjacent sites 48 and 49 which were to city on parcels and when we looked into those those are part of the dumpy park conceptual plan.
03:52:17.55	Beth	So we did remove those from the recommended list. Site 47, however, is not. It's privately owned. And the owner is interested in mixed use or potentially as
03:52:27.50	Beth	commercial and then separate residential use on the parcel. It would accommodate about 13 units and is also subject to the fair traffic initiative. And that's about a half acre site.
03:52:39.42	Beth	And that is the group two sites.
03:52:42.78	Beth	Great, thank you, Beth.
03:52:43.98	Kelman	on Group 2 sites?
03:52:47.47	Kelman	Okay, don't see any hands raised. So I'm sure should we have any public comment on group two sites.
03:52:54.24	Unknown	Madam Mayor, I see no hands raised.
03:52:56.53	Kelman	Okay.
03:52:57.00	Kelman	So back to the council.
03:52:59.01	Kelman	Anybody wanna make any comments or changes?
03:53:05.02	Kelman	Again, don't see any comments or changes. So Beth, I believe we'll be leaving this as is. All right, we will come up.
03:53:12.73	Kelman	Okay.
03:53:14.72	Kelman	Great.
03:53:15.43	Huffman	Thank you.
03:53:15.45	Beth	So
03:53:17.12	Kelman	Yeah, so we'll move on to 3E, which is in the Montemar Vista Toyon Terrace.
03:53:23.08	Huffman	I'm sorry, I didn't get my hand up fast enough. I did have a question about that last group. I'm so sorry.
03:53:23.16	Kelman	I'm sorry.
03:53:30.04	Huffman	WASN'T FAST ENOUGH.
03:53:31.68	Huffman	So I have a question about
03:53:34.70	Huffman	the site, I see where, you know, number 47 is and 49.
03:53:40.94	Huffman	the parking lot that's right there, the city owned lot,
03:53:46.04	Huffman	And was that considered at all?
03:53:48.47	Beth	Which parking lot is that of
03:53:52.03	Beth	right in that area.
03:53:52.45	Huffman	area.
03:53:53.58	Beth	Yeah.
03:53:53.97	Huffman	if you bring your cursor straight down toward the water?
03:53:57.92	Huffman	THAT.
03:53:58.61	Huffman	That is not a problem.
03:53:59.81	Huffman	That's a very old picture. That's not a parking lot. Okay. Okay.
03:54:00.03	Beth	Thank you.
03:54:00.05	SPEAKER_24	in our very, very, very,
03:54:03.98	Huffman	So that rectangle there,
03:54:07.08	Huffman	that
03:54:08.25	Huffman	is the city on the parking lot.
03:54:09.77	Beth	Okay, and that did not pop up for some reason when we...
03:54:09.80	Huffman	Okay.
03:54:14.65	Beth	query the city owned sites.
03:54:17.38	Beth	Okay, that might be.
03:54:17.68	Sobieski	That might be. It might technically be a street there, Beth. That's the extension of Humboldt Street.
03:54:22.42	Beth	Okay.
03:54:23.07	Sobieski	When you draw it out, it's practically a parking lot,
03:54:26.42	Sobieski	but it could be like portions of Lot 3.
03:54:30.22	Sobieski	listed on your map as a street, Humboldt Street.
03:54:34.79	Huffman	Thank you.
03:54:34.93	Sobieski	So,
03:54:35.03	Huffman	you
03:54:36.99	Huffman	I'm not advocating one way or the other. I'm just surprised that it's not
03:54:41.19	Huffman	YOU KNOW,
03:54:41.97	Kelman	My recollection and
03:54:43.82	Huffman	Thank you.
03:54:43.84	Kelman	I have to go back and look, is that we had some
03:54:46.44	Kelman	some substantial discussion with
03:54:49.27	Kelman	parcels that were that close to the water
03:54:52.11	Kelman	And I think that we did discuss that one.
03:54:55.40	Kelman	Um,
03:54:56.51	Kelman	So I thought we had, you know, I couldn't swear to it, but I thought we
03:55:01.03	Huffman	I looked at it.
03:55:02.01	Huffman	Okay, that's fine.
03:55:04.43	Huffman	I can follow up with that there's something bigger okay thank you
03:55:10.20	Huffman	Thank you.
03:55:10.21	Kelman	Okay, thank you, Councilmember Hoffman.
03:55:12.32	Kelman	Okay, so then on to a new neighborhood. This is the Montemar Vista Toyon Terrace. None of us have any conflicts, so.
03:55:21.28	Kelman	Looks like we can move forward.
03:55:23.26	Kelman	Thank you.
03:55:23.27	Beth	All right, and in this area, we have no sites identified for council direction. So all of the blue sites that are shown and I did hear a public comment about the blue shading. These are sites with capacity under existing zoning so they could accommodate some additional units.
03:55:38.21	Kelman	Okay.
03:55:39.04	Kelman	Let's see if there's any public comment on this neighborhood.
03:55:46.16	Kelman	Serge, I don't see anybody?
03:55:47.20	Unknown	Thank you.
03:55:48.22	Unknown	Madam Mayor, that is correct. There are no hands.
03:55:51.02	Unknown	Excuse me, we just have Pat.
03:55:52.66	Unknown	Rosa Hren has been commuted.
03:55:53.06	Pat	Okay.
03:55:55.46	Unknown	I have to share your video.
03:55:59.52	Pat	I think I'm good on it.
03:56:01.85	Pat	I
03:56:02.98	Pat	I would like to reiterate an earlier comment on the outreach to existing property owners with the potential for SB 9 divisions.
03:56:12.01	Pat	AND THE
03:56:13.72	Pat	possibility of people evidencing interest
03:56:16.97	Pat	I
03:56:18.95	Pat	particularly if interest is not commitment.
03:56:22.03	Pat	There are a lot of properties here which are street to street. Mine is one of them.
03:56:26.25	Pat	I might be interested.
03:56:27.97	Pat	No one has reached out to me. I think someone should.
03:56:31.62	Pat	Thanks.
03:56:33.54	Pat	Thanks, Pat.
03:56:35.57	Kelman	Any other public comments, Serge?
03:56:40.66	Unknown	Madam mayor, we have Arthur Bruce. Arthur, you can unmute. Nice to share your video.
03:56:43.63	Kelman	AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE
03:56:53.79	SPEAKER_35	I'd just like to note that
03:56:56.81	SPEAKER_35	We're all living on stolen land.
03:57:02.92	Kelman	Thank you, Mr. Bruce. Okay, we're gonna move on back to the council. Do we have any comments on this?
03:57:05.69	Sobieski	Bye.
03:57:10.79	Kelman	before we move on.
03:57:13.47	Sobieski	And just so we don't let it be forgotten, I guess we've said it before, can we give direction to
03:57:14.03	Kelman	we,
03:57:19.39	Sobieski	Is there a direction to be given to the consultants
03:57:21.99	Sobieski	take another pass at gathering
03:57:24.91	Sobieski	more interest from the community about
03:57:28.59	Sobieski	both SB9 lot splits and also upzonings of properties like Beth had talked about earlier, so that
03:57:34.04	Sobieski	There might be another crop of
03:57:36.91	Sobieski	states that
03:57:38.48	Sobieski	never got into the front of the hopper here, so haven't been part of the process. That could still add meaningfully to our
03:57:45.26	Sobieski	to our allocation.
03:57:47.73	Sobieski	That's kind of a question to my colleagues.
03:57:49.45	Sobieski	Do we want to get that direction? Can we?
03:57:52.11	Sobieski	It's probably another Miller and some current, some solicitation and currents.
03:57:56.75	Sobieski	Um,
03:57:57.40	Kelman	Council Member Sobieski, that's an excellent idea. And let's, if it's okay with you, let's hold that to the general comment section because it's not just as to this neighborhood, right?
03:58:06.32	Sobieski	I would just forget by 1 a.m. whenever we get there.
03:58:09.44	Kelman	Thank you.
03:58:09.48	Cleveland	I will commit to not forgetting.
03:58:09.88	Kelman	Thank you.
03:58:13.06	Cleveland	But yeah, I mean, I would,
03:58:15.06	Cleveland	I think we just need to take these as we go. But in any case, I would agree with the inn. But I would also note that we have done extensive outreach. We've had so many, we've sent that property owner and trust.
03:58:26.32	Cleveland	thing out in currents several times. We sent the survey out. It was at the town meetings.
03:58:32.11	Cleveland	I think that's a good question.
03:58:32.83	Cleveland	So we have, I think we should continue to do it, but we already have, we have done quite
03:58:39.14	Cleveland	of outreach and you know, I know that not everyone reads currents and not everyone comes to the town halls, but that property owner interest
03:58:47.43	Cleveland	survey was sent.
03:58:49.25	Cleveland	was widely circulated and I think
03:58:52.54	Kelman	Thank you.
03:58:53.52	Cleveland	Yeah.
03:58:55.28	Kelman	Here's an idea, perhaps the start of future council meetings and other meetings,
03:59:01.03	Kelman	We could actually make that.
03:59:02.43	Kelman	A statement, it's a public announcement, public service announcement.
03:59:05.50	Kelman	Just for all you who are gathered, we're in the middle of our housing element process,
03:59:09.70	Kelman	if you're interested in an additional unit.
03:59:12.74	Kelman	and just commit to continuing to do that in addition to the outreach. But Ian, yes, I welcome
03:59:18.65	Kelman	further communication with the consultant and direction to
03:59:21.28	Sobieski	The thought would also be that we need to direct HIAC or whatever mechanism to collect those at some point and process them.
03:59:28.15	Sobieski	before
03:59:29.36	Sobieski	September.
03:59:30.78	Sobieski	So there may yet be some additions, I guess,
03:59:34.19	Sobieski	It's a little bit of a modification of the process rather than this being it.
03:59:37.57	Sobieski	for leaving the door open for the addition of some additional sites.
03:59:41.33	Sobieski	if they came up in the next couple months.
03:59:44.96	Huffman	I...
03:59:45.70	Huffman	I think also as part of that process, we need to have a bit of an explanation about what the commitment is from the property or what they're committing to and how that might affect their property.
03:59:56.75	Huffman	So, I mean, I think there seems to be a little bit of confusion about that.
04:00:00.70	Huffman	Um,
04:00:01.90	Huffman	and maybe why people didn't respond previously to the surveys.
04:00:07.53	Huffman	At least that's my conclusion from what I first made.
04:00:10.44	Kelman	Thank you.
04:00:12.19	Kelman	I'll be sure to bring this back around. Thank you for those comments when we do our final round of comments as well so that we can direct.
04:00:17.96	Kelman	the consultant specifically.
04:00:22.06	Kelman	Okay, so Bethan, moving on to Spring Street Valley.
04:00:28.00	Kelman	It looks like, it says that Vice Mayor Blaustein is conflicted on Site 59.
04:00:33.47	Kelman	I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE
04:00:34.33	Kelman	And then Council Member Hoffman completed on site 60, 62, and 63.
04:00:38.67	Beth	Thank you.
04:00:38.70	SPEAKER_26	Yes, so I will be recusing myself
04:00:38.70	Kelman	Yes, so I will be recusing myself
04:00:39.02	Beth	Thank you.
04:00:39.06	SPEAKER_26	Thank you.
04:00:41.50	Huffman	Thank you.
04:00:41.52	McDougall	Feel good?
04:00:41.93	McDougall	I'm sorry.
04:00:42.38	Huffman	See you soon.
04:00:43.21	McDougall	to your side.
04:00:44.27	Beth	Beth, over to you.
04:00:45.40	Beth	All right, so let's see. We'll jump to site 59 now.
04:00:49.79	Beth	So since I'm a renter, I will not be
04:00:51.58	Blausdean	Thank you.
04:00:51.88	Beth	for accusing myself.
04:00:53.70	Blausdean	But I don't live anywhere near Easterby Street, so I'm a little bit confused. Yeah, because you also don't live there, but...
04:00:53.75	Beth	but I don't think-
04:00:57.15	SPEAKER_24	Thank you.
04:00:57.20	Kelman	Because you're probably
04:00:59.27	Kelman	Okay.
04:01:00.84	Kelman	Thank you.
04:01:00.86	Blausdean	Thank you.
04:01:00.88	Kelman	Let's note that for a future reference. I can click it out under any scenario.
04:01:05.91	Kelman	Okay, great.
04:01:08.00	Beth	Okay. And so, um,
04:01:10.92	Beth	And also the areas are the 501
04:01:14.41	Beth	thousand foot radiuses from your residence so some of those do seem pretty pretty distant given the packed or condensed nature of Sausalito so site 59 is 0.12 acres it is a vacant parcel it would accommodate about 40 accommodate about five units at 49 units per acre
04:01:37.97	Beth	And then since we just have...
04:01:42.10	Beth	one recusal for them, so I'll just do all of them at once. A sites 62 and 63.
04:01:47.60	Beth	Site 62 is located on Woodward Avenue. It is a small parcel, also vacant, would accommodate about two units. And Site 63,
04:01:56.73	Beth	is located at 522 olive avenue also vacant and it would accommodate about five units and all three of the sites identified are all anticipated to be designated for approximately 49 units per acre.
04:02:11.45	Kelman	Okay.
04:02:12.04	Kelman	Thank you.
04:02:13.02	Kelman	Any questions for Beth?
04:02:16.85	Kelman	Okay, sorry, I don't have you all on my screen, so I don't see any, okay.
04:02:20.51	Kelman	And then why don't we go ahead and take public comment? I see one hand raised. I see two hands raised.
04:02:25.72	Unknown	And Mayor, we have Linda and Jeff.
04:02:27.95	Unknown	You can unmute it and have to share your video.
04:02:33.54	Unknown	Thank you.
04:02:36.29	Unknown	Start one.
04:02:37.22	SPEAKER_03	We see you and we hear you.
04:02:39.85	SPEAKER_03	Can you hear me now and see me?
04:02:41.98	SPEAKER_03	Okay, I'm Linda Samuels and I live on Gordon Street.
04:02:46.34	SPEAKER_03	um my comments are directed to the staff report findings on page six as it relates to lot 65.
04:02:46.46	Unknown	My question is,
04:02:54.14	SPEAKER_03	um that 65 isn't on the list now but as you'll see from my comments it might go back on the list um contrary to what is stated in the staff report he act voted unanimously at its may 23rd meeting to delete lot 65 from the housing element plan at least for the time being and subject to further review of the deed restriction
04:03:17.36	SPEAKER_03	That slide confirms this so the report needs to be revised accordingly.
04:03:23.22	SPEAKER_03	As the staff report indicates, the deed restriction requires that Lad 65 not be divided or parcelized in the future.
04:03:32.55	SPEAKER_03	The staff report in the slide conclude, however, that the deed restriction does not restrict development on Lot 65. Respectfully, we disagree. And when I say we, I'm including a lot of people in this neighborhood.
04:03:50.22	SPEAKER_03	To accept the staff's interpretation would essentially nullify any purpose for the restriction, which was put on the property at the time the city approved the building of Sorcelito Towers apartments on the contiguous property.
04:04:05.73	SPEAKER_03	A review of relevant documents and testimony relating to Sorcelledo Towers 1991 application to build 10 units on the lot 65, which was denied by the Planning Commission and City Council, indicates that the deed restriction was a requirement for allowing Sorcelledo Towers to maximize water views by clustering the units on the front of the property the rest of the property including lot 65 would remain open space we have copies of these documents and of the detailed meeting minutes in the event staff wishes thank you thank you very much linda for your comments your time is up
04:04:47.15	Kelman	Thank you.
04:04:52.18	Unknown	Our next speaker is Trisha. Trisha, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
04:04:58.26	Unknown	Mm.
04:05:09.36	Unknown	I don't know. Oh, here you go. Thanks.
04:05:12.99	Unknown	Okay, so Tricia Gellman again. I am resident in Sal Salido. I actually live at 169 Woodward, which is adjacent to lot 65, which as Linda and Jeff have just brought to attention, is still in the staff report, even though it's not here. So I just want to go on record because I haven't spoken about this lot, that when I purchased the property, it was very clearly designated in the planning for the city and was told to me that it was open space to not be developed.
04:05:41.32	Unknown	And I would be seriously disappointed if my investment in the city since 2003 was
04:05:46.84	Unknown	would be sort of changed based on just some staff report.
04:05:51.26	Unknown	I also want to bring to the attention of the city council that
04:05:57.10	Unknown	on my property at 169 Woodward is water runoff that is supposed to be maintained by the city. But in the almost 20 years plus that I've lived here,
04:06:07.06	Unknown	The city's been out twice and that was only because we had major flooding problems across the property here in Spring Valley.
04:06:14.01	Unknown	and um
04:06:15.95	Unknown	And I think that doing any development in the upper parts here of this plot 65 would probably have serious impact to additional water runoff. Additionally, there is a lot of animal activity and transfer that's going on here, which we talked about previously, as well around Cypress Ridge.
04:06:36.15	Unknown	and we're investing in the community and
04:06:40.05	Unknown	You know, I have chosen to build my family here because we have this unique property with the open space. Finally, I just wanna say that we
04:06:49.09	Unknown	have especially since gps has become the main way that people access into sausalito have major
04:06:55.99	Unknown	traffic problems on rodeo coming down and so any development that's being done either here on 62 63 or if people are revisiting 65 needs to make sure that it takes into account anything related to traffic because it's almost untenable already as it is and finally um i just want to say that um thank you so much i'm sorry that laid out
04:07:17.12	Kelman	that
04:07:19.97	Kelman	Yeah, thanks very much.
04:07:25.20	Kelman	Wow.
04:07:25.81	Unknown	Our next speaker is Arthur Bruce. Arthur, you're being unmuted.
04:07:25.83	Kelman	Thank you.
04:07:25.96	SPEAKER_26	Thank you.
04:07:33.39	Unknown	Mr. Chair, your video.
04:07:38.11	SPEAKER_35	Okay, there we are again.
04:07:39.89	SPEAKER_35	Um,
04:07:40.63	SPEAKER_35	Well, I'm going to echo Tricia.
04:07:42.47	SPEAKER_35	now and
04:07:44.51	SPEAKER_35	I'm glad she brought up the city's infrastructure problems. And, you know, in regards to lot 47, 52, 63,
04:07:51.23	SPEAKER_35	41, 12, 29, 14, 17, and all of the rest of them.
04:07:55.82	SPEAKER_35	I think that it's really pertinent, very pertinent to note that
04:07:59.85	SPEAKER_35	with the city's outdated infrastructure, you know,
04:08:04.83	SPEAKER_35	and runoff.
04:08:05.98	SPEAKER_35	not only runoff from these empty locks, but
04:08:09.65	SPEAKER_35	runoff from
04:08:10.99	SPEAKER_35	the city's own sewer system
04:08:13.20	SPEAKER_35	builds into the Bay.
04:08:15.42	SPEAKER_35	at an alarming rate. Mr. Bruce, do you have a comment
04:08:17.67	Kelman	Mr. Bruce, do you have a comment on the group two sites? Yes, yes.
04:08:20.79	SPEAKER_35	Yes, yes, yes.
04:08:23.54	SPEAKER_35	It's relative.
04:08:25.15	SPEAKER_35	I think before we discuss any development in any of these properties, we should talk about how we're going to handle the sewage.
04:08:30.76	SPEAKER_35	keep it from just dumping into the bay
04:08:32.82	SPEAKER_35	and blaming it on poor people.
04:08:37.40	SPEAKER_35	GIMME?
04:08:38.39	SPEAKER_35	Madam Mayor.
04:08:40.89	Kelman	Are you concluding your remarks, sir?
04:08:43.88	SPEAKER_35	Thank you.
04:08:43.89	Kelman	Yes.
04:08:44.65	Kelman	Okay, thanks so much.
04:08:47.33	Kelman	Okay.
04:08:48.18	Kelman	Any other hands raised for public comments?
04:08:51.08	Unknown	Madam Mayor, I see you know their hands raised.
04:08:53.61	Kelman	Okay, back up to the council.
04:08:56.19	Kelman	comments on what we see here.
04:08:58.73	Kelman	I did just close public comment, but I do see someone's hand is up, Sharon.
04:09:02.05	Kelman	Mickelson?
04:09:04.21	Unknown	Sharon, you're being unmuted and I ask to share your video.
04:09:10.01	Sharon	and we'll do everything possible, so we'll do it.
04:09:14.15	Sharon	Uh...
04:09:15.18	Sharon	Good evening, it's pretty late and we're all pretty tired, but I just feel so strongly about site 65 that I have to comment.
04:09:25.46	Sharon	It is such a beautiful, pristine piece of,
04:09:29.51	Sharon	of Sausalito. It's the lungs of our community. Okay.
04:09:33.64	Sharon	And I just...
04:09:35.11	Sharon	feel so strongly that it needs to be removed as a potential site.
04:09:40.59	Sharon	It was, as Linda commented before,
04:09:44.78	Sharon	was already
04:09:46.13	Sharon	It was attempted in the 60s, it was attempted to get in the 90s.
04:09:50.16	Sharon	And
04:09:51.19	Sharon	It's it's.
04:09:52.69	Sharon	It's pristine, it's part of the Cypress Ridge Greenbelt,
04:09:57.91	Sharon	And it's not
04:10:01.40	Sharon	a really developable spot, but it's amazing for the animals. The butterflies, the foxes, the coyote cubs,
04:10:09.99	Sharon	It's just such a beautiful, pristine spot that
04:10:13.84	Sharon	the idea of
04:10:15.84	Sharon	Good night.
04:10:17.26	Sharon	putting that as a potential site for more Sausalito Towers.
04:10:23.34	Sharon	is just inconceivable. And I just hope that that doesn't happen. Thank you.
04:10:27.13	Kelman	Thank you.
04:10:27.15	Unknown	right?
04:10:32.35	Kelman	Thank you very much.
04:10:33.31	Sharon	Thank you.
04:10:34.41	Kelman	Okay, public comment closed on Spring Street Valley. Any comments from members of the city council?
04:10:43.10	Sobieski	Okay. 65 is not on the list, correct?
04:10:47.49	Beth	Correct. So the HEAC had identified that it be removed. They did ask us to research. They asked city staff and the city attorney to research the site to identify whether or not there were deed restrictions in place that would prevent it from being developed. And based on that research, it is prevented from being further parcelized, but the restriction did not say that there could be no development on it. So we just clarified that.
04:11:09.35	Beth	but the HIAC had identified that it be
04:11:12.53	Beth	research in case it was needed at some point in the future, but not to include it in this round.
04:11:18.69	Unknown	Thank you.
04:11:18.72	Sobieski	Thank you.
04:11:19.73	Beth	Thank you.
04:11:19.75	Kelman	Thank you.
04:11:21.47	Kelman	Okay, then we are going to move on now.
04:11:24.29	Kelman	Let's see, we have...
04:11:26.26	Kelman	One more location, our training sites in the Marin Show.
04:11:30.15	Kelman	Thank you.
04:11:30.20	Beth	Peace.
04:11:30.58	Kelman	Thank you.
04:11:30.65	Beth	And let me just quickly
04:11:31.97	Kelman	note it's
04:11:33.25	Beth	you
04:11:33.39	Kelman	the previous ones. This is one to go after this.
04:11:38.58	Kelman	All right. It looks like Council Member Hoffman is completed on Site 66.
04:11:53.75	Huffman	Can I ask a clarification?
04:11:55.88	Huffman	Yes, Councilman.
04:11:57.68	Huffman	I'm conflicted on 66 but the other ones I'm not so I'll re-queeze on 66 but I can come back even though it's part of the same
04:12:04.77	Huffman	Right?
04:12:05.63	Huffman	Okay.
04:12:06.86	Huffman	Then...
04:12:07.69	Huffman	See you in a minute.
04:12:08.98	Huffman	Thank you.
04:12:09.21	Huffman	Thank you.
04:12:09.23	Mary Wagner	You know?
04:12:10.10	Mary Wagner	Well, then we should just separate 66 out of this.
04:12:13.63	Mary Wagner	Isn't it separated in group? Yes, it is.
04:12:17.02	Kelman	Perfect.
04:12:18.42	Mary Wagner	Thank you.
04:12:18.48	Kelman	Thank you.
04:12:19.52	Kelman	All right, over to you, Beth.
04:12:20.87	Beth	Alright so site 66 is vacant and city owned. It is a strip of land adjacent to Bridgeway. About 0.44 acres in size. There is a similar strip that has some development on it in case you want to envision how development on this parcel would appear. It is zoned open space. It's city owned. It would accommodate a
04:12:42.18	Beth	about 17 units
04:12:45.27	Beth	And it is not subject to the fair traffic initiative because it is owned open space so the city has more flexibility with the site than some other sites in the area.
04:12:57.00	Beth	Thank you.
04:12:57.02	Kelman	Any questions for Beth?
04:13:02.69	Kelman	I'm not seeing any. I do see one hand raised, so Serge, will you please call the public?
04:13:07.97	Unknown	Peter Van Meter, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
04:13:12.19	Unknown	Thank you.
04:13:17.07	Kelman	Thank you.
04:13:17.08	SPEAKER_26	the music.
04:13:17.35	SPEAKER_06	I'm excited.
04:13:19.06	SPEAKER_06	Okay, that little portion between the Brinship Way and 66, which is federal property,
04:13:27.63	SPEAKER_06	Should my opinion be added as an opportunity to this site?
04:13:32.05	SPEAKER_06	because I would think the federal government, and that is of course,
04:13:32.15	Unknown	bigger.
04:13:35.65	SPEAKER_06	you know, extension of the Bay model property.
04:13:38.16	SPEAKER_06	We'd be very interested in having a contribution to housing in Sausalito.
04:13:43.41	SPEAKER_06	and that would be a significant increase in size of that potential property, make it run all the way from
04:13:49.38	SPEAKER_06	Thank you.
04:13:52.98	Unknown	Thank you.
04:13:52.99	SPEAKER_06	Peter?
04:13:53.55	SPEAKER_06	Oh, so by the way, if I can say one more word,
04:13:56.98	SPEAKER_06	All right.
04:13:58.04	SPEAKER_06	You have to put that in your motion.
04:14:00.65	SPEAKER_06	This isn't just public comment that goes off into the vacuum.
04:14:03.96	SPEAKER_06	So whoever said, approves what happens here in 66, you've got to add those words to the motion.
04:14:09.73	SPEAKER_06	to make it happen. Thank you.
04:14:11.79	Kelman	Thank you, Peter.
04:14:13.17	Kelman	Okay, any other public comment on group one?
04:14:17.07	Unknown	Better make.
04:14:17.93	Unknown	All their hands raised.
04:14:19.35	Kelman	OKAY, GREAT.
04:14:20.19	Kelman	First quick question.
04:14:21.04	Beth	I don't know.
04:14:21.29	Kelman	.
04:14:21.36	Beth	We can't.
04:14:21.53	Kelman	AND I WANT TO TAKE A CALL.
04:14:22.03	Beth	Oh.
04:14:22.56	Kelman	Thank you.
04:14:22.57	Beth	He asked,
04:14:23.00	Kelman	Thank you.
04:14:23.03	Beth	looking at 66.
04:14:24.78	Beth	This was one of the parcels that was included. I'm trying to remember the.
04:14:30.07	Beth	It was included in one of the rounds. I think it was not called out for individual discussion, but was one of the parcels that was identified in meetings, I believe, meeting seven and meeting four.
04:14:42.81	Beth	Five.
04:14:44.61	Cleveland	I think it was, Mayor Kellman, because I know our small subgroup did look at it.
04:14:51.58	Cleveland	specifically and was in favor of including it.
04:14:58.00	Cleveland	It's small, but I think it's right next to public transit. It's...
04:15:03.97	Cleveland	Thank you.
04:15:04.27	Cleveland	Mm.
04:15:05.07	Cleveland	bridgeway adjacent.
04:15:07.44	Cleveland	not much else can be done with it.
04:15:12.19	SPEAKER_24	Thank you.
04:15:12.27	Kelman	Yeah, it's a good site.
04:15:14.94	Kelman	I genuinely do not recall this being on that.
04:15:19.73	Kelman	opportunity list. I don't recall here discussing it at all. I do recall a member of the public
04:15:25.99	Kelman	submitting a request that we look at it.
04:15:28.47	Kelman	So I'd just be interested
04:15:30.44	Kelman	to
04:15:31.51	Kelman	If you could...
04:15:32.18	Kelman	just maybe tomorrow send me which meetings you think we covered this at. I would be
04:15:37.36	Kelman	Intrigued because I don't recall
04:15:41.80	Kelman	Okay, so members of the council have comments or thoughts?
04:15:48.32	Cleveland	Yeah, I would just say I'm in favor of retaining the site. I think it's a good site. I think you can build
04:15:53.43	Cleveland	You can be at the bridgeway level and go down so you could have parking underneath.
04:15:58.31	Cleveland	it's a unique site. I wouldn't feel too many units, but I think it's
04:16:02.96	Cleveland	worth keeping and it's city owned. So we have a lot of control over what happens there.
04:16:07.86	Cleveland	I'd certainly be in favor of the consultant.
04:16:10.54	Cleveland	or city staff looking at
04:16:12.90	Cleveland	cooperating with the federal government. I do feel like
04:16:17.29	Cleveland	getting the federal government's cooperation within the time
04:16:21.12	Cleveland	limit of housing element cycle six might be
04:16:24.56	Cleveland	challenging, but I
04:16:27.42	Cleveland	So I think it's worth exploration, but I don't think we should count on additional units.
04:16:32.73	Cleveland	within this.
04:16:34.81	Cleveland	Wow.
04:16:35.77	Cleveland	PERIOD.
04:16:37.15	Cleveland	could do it, right?
04:16:39.16	Cleveland	It's also currently kind of being used as the road.
04:16:43.48	Cleveland	that federal piece of the, you can't drive it's a one way
04:16:46.97	Cleveland	I'm
04:16:48.93	Cleveland	There's a bike lane now, so that federal property that Peter is talking about is actually
04:16:53.52	Cleveland	That's the only way you can drive.
04:16:56.88	Cleveland	in one way. So I'm not sure. Anyway.
04:16:59.46	Cleveland	I would be in favor of moving this forward and looking at the federal
04:17:05.38	Cleveland	um,
04:17:06.25	Cleveland	I'm not working with the federal government,
04:17:08.25	Cleveland	regardless of how that works out moving site 66 forward.
04:17:12.56	Kelman	Thank you for that. My perspective on it is I'm very uncomfortable because I do not think HIAC reviewed this site. We didn't have that public discourse on it.
04:17:20.81	Kelman	I do recall it was presented as a matter of public comment, but not presented to HIAC.
04:17:26.39	Kelman	Um,
04:17:27.20	Kelman	But that said, I understand now here it is.
04:17:30.38	Kelman	I would not be in favor of us spending any time talking to federal government about it because I don't think it meets your standard of available and suitable.
04:17:38.85	Kelman	and I think that's a good question.
04:17:39.59	Kelman	that you presented in your memo.
04:17:41.68	Kelman	So I'm not going to oppose the EIR looking at this particular site if other council members want to move it forward.
04:17:48.15	Kelman	but I would not spend any additional
04:17:50.34	Kelman	looking and talking to the federal government about it.
04:17:54.83	Kelman	Anybody have any other comments on it?
04:17:58.67	Kelman	Okay, so with that, we will move on to the next group. We call back Councilmember Hoffman.
04:18:09.36	Kelman	and we'll move on to group two.
04:18:11.11	Kelman	67, 68, and 72.
04:18:11.16	Beth	All right.
04:18:13.76	Beth	67, 68, and 72, these are all located in the Marinship area. 67 and 68 are under common ownership. 67 is a vacant parcel, 1.92 acres, and 68 is 4.35 acres. It has existing office buildings. The owner of the site would be interested in residential and senior development, they've indicated. These are both subject to the fair traffic initiative due to the industrial zoning on the site.
04:18:42.03	Beth	And they, we've looked at a mixed use potential designation which would allow 49 units per acre, 47 units on site 67, about 106 on site 68.
04:18:57.45	Beth	With that, I will note that the sites included in the Marin ship don't have maritime uses per se, and there is the potential for
04:19:07.36	Beth	to include policy language in the in the housing element to ensure that any uses of the Marin ship are buffered from the, you know, working waterfront uses or
04:19:16.43	Beth	that there's some consideration given to transitions between sensitive uses, since we had heard a lot of comments related to that.
04:19:24.75	Beth	And then site 72 is an existing commercial building.
04:19:29.99	Beth	It is also designated
04:19:32.55	Beth	So subject to the fair traffic initiative, the property owner is also interested in development of the site. There would be the potential for approximately 23 units on this site and it's about one acre in size.
04:19:46.62	Kelman	So Beth, again, I'm a little concerned. I, we, we did not discuss 68 at the EAC.
04:19:53.85	Kelman	Now maybe it was on a list, but we certainly did not
04:19:57.05	Kelman	have a thorough HIAC conversation
04:19:59.94	Kelman	public airing of this. I know that there were groups that probably were much in favor of it, but it was not presented to the HEAC with a discussion
04:20:10.64	Kelman	around it.
04:20:12.73	Kelman	just a little bit concerned about the process.
04:20:15.89	Kelman	It's just,
04:20:17.35	Kelman	That's concerning to me based on our reliance on the AIAC.
04:20:21.67	Beth	Let me just pull up the memo.
04:20:23.63	Cleveland	We definitely had all these sites on our list of night that we went through neighborhood by neighborhood.
04:20:23.65	Beth	Oh, really?
04:20:23.97	Kelman	this.
04:20:24.29	Beth	Yes.
04:20:31.44	Cleveland	Yeah. 60, we had the one we just,
04:20:31.48	Unknown	Yes.
04:20:34.28	Unknown	Mm.
04:20:35.33	Cleveland	VOTED ON.
04:20:37.25	Cleveland	We had a lot of public comments.
04:20:39.24	Cleveland	And we had members of the GAC talking about surrounding people
04:20:44.47	Cleveland	the working waterfront with
04:20:47.49	Cleveland	opportunity sites. I mean, so we definitely, these were squarely on our site.
04:20:53.96	Kelman	Yeah, you know, Councillor Cleveland knows,
04:20:56.77	Kelman	I think what I'm pointing to is
04:20:59.84	Kelman	and this is just like a weirdness in the process, I wanna call it a flaw per se,
04:21:04.25	Kelman	But even tonight we're seeing there are some sites that
04:21:07.83	Kelman	AND I THINK THAT'S A
04:21:08.57	Kelman	were
04:21:09.43	Kelman	not talked about.
04:21:11.49	Kelman	um but yet they're showing up on a list or i think you said just a couple sites ago oh we didn't
04:21:17.87	Kelman	We didn't specifically call it out to the HE Act, but it was there.
04:21:20.92	Kelman	And so I think I may be reacting to
04:21:24.09	Kelman	not having had this specifically called out
04:21:26.93	Kelman	for a HEAC meeting. It's not to say, Council Member, that it wasn't part of the packet or it wasn't included in a memo, but I'm reacting to the opportunity for further public discourse.
04:21:38.22	Kelman	Um,
04:21:39.49	Kelman	So yeah, that's, I just want to put that on the record. If you have a different recollection, I respect that.
04:21:44.80	Kelman	But this is my understanding and my recollection having been there.
04:21:49.66	Kelman	So.
04:21:50.32	Kelman	Anybody have other comments?
04:21:52.76	Kelman	Certainly, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I don't recall it.
04:21:59.72	Kelman	Okay, let's say some public comment. I see two hands raised here.
04:22:04.83	Unknown	Our first speaker is Pat, Pat Zip. You've been unmuted and I have to share your video.
04:22:11.65	Unknown	Thank you.
04:22:11.70	Pat	Thank you.
04:22:11.75	Unknown	Thank you.
04:22:11.77	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
04:22:13.79	Pat	I'm here.
04:22:15.88	Pat	We'll see you.
04:22:17.13	Pat	I don't see me. I don't see you. But in any case, I'll talk anyway.
04:22:22.06	Pat	What came to mind is I'm wondering at the impact, I'm wondering of the impact of the notion of spot zoning.
04:22:29.18	Pat	I mean, here we have a zone.
04:22:31.95	Pat	multiple zones of industrial and waterfront
04:22:34.82	Pat	And you're looking at rezoning for housing on two
04:22:39.36	Pat	or three specific lots.
04:22:41.69	Pat	And that to me,
04:22:43.71	Pat	although I'm not a lawyer, strikes me as a potential spot zoning issue.
04:22:49.55	Pat	That's number one. Number two,
04:22:52.57	Pat	I don't need to
04:22:54.61	Pat	um
04:22:55.61	Pat	beat the horse of the fair traffic initiative
04:22:58.97	Pat	but I think
04:23:00.06	Pat	I think that should be considered.
04:23:02.92	Pat	I think I think thanks.
04:23:05.14	Pat	Thank you, Pat.
04:23:07.45	Unknown	Our next speaker is
04:23:07.71	David Sudo	Thank you.
04:23:07.89	Pat	THANK YOU.
04:23:08.25	David Sudo	Thank you.
04:23:08.53	Pat	Thank you.
04:23:08.60	Unknown	Thank you.
04:23:09.72	Unknown	um,
04:23:11.67	Unknown	David Sudo, David you've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
04:23:19.11	David Sudo	Good evening again. I remember a vigorous discussion about Lot 68. So it was definitely discussed at least one venue, maybe two. You know, I'm pretty against at least the...
04:23:38.05	David Sudo	East section of 68 being developed for housing.
04:23:41.29	David Sudo	It's adjoining industrial space. It's on the wall for all those degrees. It's not to build housing there.
04:23:48.34	David Sudo	uh,
04:23:49.32	David Sudo	I've,
04:23:50.37	David Sudo	I'm a little less against 60-70.
04:23:52.68	David Sudo	and
04:23:53.84	David Sudo	Bye.
04:23:54.55	David Sudo	The general comment is our whole slope going over that hill
04:24:01.20	David Sudo	needs some major remediation. And I think it would be a great opportunity if it's newborn housing.
04:24:06.97	Unknown	two more.
04:24:08.31	David Sudo	and slopes stabilization the whole sector and if we put
04:24:14.48	David Sudo	the garage entrances on Bridgeway
04:24:17.98	David Sudo	instead of a membership, then we probably would get away from our
04:24:21.87	David Sudo	traffic initiative and not have that issue like that one office building that is on on bridgeway already um some creative thought about how we can solve multiple problems in our city thanks
04:24:37.40	Unknown	Thank you.
04:24:39.15	Unknown	Our next speaker is
04:24:40.62	Unknown	Sandra Bushmaker, Sandra, you're being unmuted.
04:24:45.26	Sandra Bushmaker	I've said this before, I'm going to say it again. And I fail to understand, this is with regard to 67 and 68,
04:24:53.95	Sandra Bushmaker	why you do not see
04:24:55.88	Sandra Bushmaker	putting housing adjacent to a working waterfront is a great is not a great risk to the working waterfront
04:25:04.74	Sandra Bushmaker	If you've ever been down there, or seen how the operations of the working waterfront work, you would see that housing is an incongruent
04:25:12.97	Sandra Bushmaker	mix with a industrial and working waterfront area.
04:25:18.74	Sandra Bushmaker	In addition, I've sent you a copy of the San Francisco Grand Jury
04:25:23.96	Sandra Bushmaker	that
04:25:25.00	Sandra Bushmaker	really berated the city of San Francisco for its its matter of handling Hunter's Point
04:25:31.38	Sandra Bushmaker	And it just so happens that there are a huge number of similarities between Hunter's Point and the marine ship.
04:25:39.51	Sandra Bushmaker	And I think you need to pay attention to that. Are you going to start a legacy of going down the same path that San Francisco went by putting housing in an industrial area where there are documented contaminants?
04:25:53.17	Sandra Bushmaker	and leftovers from the World War II work,
04:25:57.37	Sandra Bushmaker	Shipyard?
04:25:58.57	Sandra Bushmaker	Or are you just going to ignore that?
04:26:00.78	Sandra Bushmaker	Those two factors, the fact that we have an unhackered
04:26:01.66	Unknown	years.
04:26:04.37	Sandra Bushmaker	THE FAMILY IS
04:26:05.49	Sandra Bushmaker	unappealing neighborhood to put adjacent to a working waterfront and the risk of putting housing next to the working waterfront. Don't you think there's going to be litigation by potential homeowners there who are disturbed by the consequences of a working waterfront? Who do you think is going to win?
04:26:23.32	Unknown	Mm.
04:26:23.63	Sandra Bushmaker	you'll put the working waterfront out of business.
04:26:27.25	Sandra Bushmaker	Please don't do that.
04:26:29.14	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
04:26:30.82	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you, Sandra.
04:26:34.21	Unknown	Our next speaker is Alice Merrill. Alice, you've been unmuted.
04:26:40.57	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
04:26:40.91	Alice Merrill	Mm-hmm.
04:26:42.91	Alice Merrill	Hi.
04:26:44.87	Alice Merrill	Good evening.
04:26:46.17	Alice Merrill	Um,
04:26:47.28	Alice Merrill	So 67 and 68.
04:26:50.59	Alice Merrill	and basically 70.
04:26:53.09	Alice Merrill	are all smack
04:26:55.33	Alice Merrill	in the place where the big ships are pulled out smack there.
04:27:00.67	Alice Merrill	So there is no buffer. If you call that a buffer, if you call any of that a buffer,
04:27:06.32	Alice Merrill	you haven't been down there when a lot of the work's been done
04:27:11.72	Alice Merrill	And the people who want it, you know, it's just like Sandra said, I don't need to, but
04:27:17.37	Alice Merrill	Why this property is still on here is beyond me.
04:27:21.86	Alice Merrill	if those office buildings could be filled up with offices, he could reinvent those offices so that they are
04:27:31.09	Alice Merrill	so that they can take work, you know,
04:27:36.12	Alice Merrill	more more industrial things he they they're not real industrial offices right now
04:27:43.07	Alice Merrill	He maybe
04:27:45.77	Alice Merrill	Maybe workforce housing in 67 where there is just was a big ship built, beautiful big ship.
04:27:53.22	Alice Merrill	But, um,
04:27:54.33	Alice Merrill	Those places, those are not buffered. They're not buffered. And he is just pushing, pushing, pushing for you to do this. And it's a much bigger picture than his bottom line. It's just a huge picture.
04:28:09.87	Alice Merrill	the whole the whole friendship is so so special and it will be gone and i hope that all of you have watched the show that's put on the documentary by the work by the um
04:28:24.13	Alice Merrill	the Waterfront Coalition because it tells you what happens down there. It tells you what will happen down there.
04:28:31.15	Alice Merrill	It's inspiring and
04:28:34.04	Alice Merrill	informational and it
04:28:36.84	Alice Merrill	That's 67 and 68 and 70, they're just,
04:28:42.00	Alice Merrill	just make it
04:28:42.61	Kelman	Thank you.
04:28:42.62	SPEAKER_26	Just make it.
04:28:43.42	Kelman	Bye.
04:28:43.43	SPEAKER_26	you
04:28:43.67	Alice Merrill	Nice.
04:28:43.79	SPEAKER_26	Thank you.
04:28:43.98	Kelman	Thank you, Alice. Thanks very much. Appreciate your comments.
04:28:44.03	SPEAKER_26	Thank you, Alice.
04:28:44.47	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
04:28:44.62	SPEAKER_26	Thank you.
04:28:44.63	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
04:28:44.65	SPEAKER_26	you
04:28:44.77	Alice Merrill	Thanks very much.
04:28:55.01	Unknown	Our next speaker is guest with 52695. You're being unmuted.
04:28:57.22	Dan Hortert	with
04:29:05.36	Unknown	Thank you.
04:29:05.37	Kelman	Mm-hmm.
04:29:05.91	SPEAKER_09	Hi.
04:29:08.43	Kelman	Hi.
04:29:09.51	SPEAKER_09	I'm.
04:29:10.23	SPEAKER_09	Apparently I can't.
04:29:11.63	SPEAKER_09	start my video. I'm not really sure what's wrong.
04:29:14.23	SPEAKER_09	um,
04:29:15.28	SPEAKER_09	but I work in the marineship
04:29:18.64	SPEAKER_09	area.
04:29:20.32	SPEAKER_09	and
04:29:21.64	SPEAKER_09	I truly believe that
04:29:24.02	SPEAKER_09	development
04:29:25.56	SPEAKER_09	of
04:29:26.80	SPEAKER_09	particularly Parcel 68,
04:29:30.50	SPEAKER_09	with.
04:29:32.17	SPEAKER_09	with putting residential housing there would not be
04:29:36.08	SPEAKER_09	And
04:29:40.47	SPEAKER_09	would not
04:29:43.83	SPEAKER_09	be compatible with the type of work that's being done there.
04:29:47.92	SPEAKER_09	There's a lot of industrial work going on. It's very loud. There's a lot of debris, dust.
04:29:57.33	SPEAKER_09	Um,
04:29:58.83	SPEAKER_09	And there's a lot of innovation going on there. There's some,
04:30:03.74	SPEAKER_09	Tuck.
04:30:04.47	SPEAKER_09	tech innovation going on and there's a lot of individuals who rely on each other in that area.
04:30:11.88	SPEAKER_09	And I really feel that
04:30:14.54	SPEAKER_09	if that area were
04:30:16.47	SPEAKER_09	And in fact, I have been here for 20 years. Just want to make that clear.
04:30:18.63	Unknown	THEIR OWNERS.
04:30:21.02	SPEAKER_09	Um,
04:30:22.37	SPEAKER_09	AND,
04:30:23.69	SPEAKER_09	It just,
04:30:25.16	SPEAKER_09	wouldn't work.
04:30:26.74	SPEAKER_09	I mean, it just...
04:30:28.26	Unknown	Mm.
04:30:28.87	SPEAKER_09	with the residential and
04:30:32.33	SPEAKER_09	The rest of us that work in the area, it's just, it's just the compatibility issue and
04:30:40.92	SPEAKER_09	I really think that we would lose a lot of tax dollars, a lot of
04:30:46.84	SPEAKER_09	you know, boat owners,
04:30:48.97	SPEAKER_09	And I could see a lot of industry and tax dollars
04:30:53.15	SPEAKER_09	going
04:30:54.33	SPEAKER_09	away.
04:30:55.84	SPEAKER_09	so that's
04:30:56.93	SPEAKER_09	the comment I wanted to make.
04:30:58.50	SPEAKER_09	Also,
04:30:59.97	SPEAKER_09	My understanding is the post office, which is
04:31:02.60	SPEAKER_09	lot 70 is off the table.
04:31:06.53	SPEAKER_09	Is that is that true?
04:31:11.23	Kelman	Thanks. Thanks very much for comments.
04:31:13.79	SPEAKER_09	I did have a question though.
04:31:15.43	Kelman	Yes, we don't interact in that fashion, but I'm sure we'll address some of these questions. So thank you. Thank you.
04:31:22.92	Unknown	Our next speaker is Leslie Allen. Leslie, you've been unmuted.
04:31:30.46	SPEAKER_24	Hi there and thank you so much for all of this work. We're all very tired. I've been in the ICB for 35 years almost.
04:31:40.99	SPEAKER_24	And I've watched a lot of activity in the waterfront during that time.
04:31:46.29	SPEAKER_24	I've also experienced the city's very poor enforcement of zoning restrictions
04:31:52.81	SPEAKER_24	And as a consequence, our rents just soared. We've had
04:31:58.97	SPEAKER_24	um cubicalization I call it in the building our tenancy has quadrupled and
04:32:08.03	SPEAKER_24	All because of unenforcement of the zoning restrictions that existed. And we were competing against offices that were renting and now have the highest rents in Marin County.
04:32:21.73	SPEAKER_24	The only good news out of that is that we've solidified as a very vibrant community, both in the ICB and with the rest of the waterfront.
04:32:30.32	SPEAKER_24	and are huge supporters of all of the workers among us. And we can relate.
04:32:37.78	SPEAKER_24	to what it feels like to be squeezed as the Marin ship has been squeezed. We're being pared down with properties coming in from all sides and changing the uses and projections for what the traffic is going to be.
04:32:53.05	SPEAKER_24	It's just got to stop at some point. And we recognize that an economic engine is an important thing to have in this town. And the Marineship is that.
04:33:02.40	SPEAKER_24	And we should be celebrating it. We should be taking a look at all of the hard workers we have and recognizing that workers are a very, very vital thing in this economy, in this time in history. And we have very unpredictable future possibilities in terms of climate change and all of the innovation that can spring from that.
04:33:24.94	SPEAKER_24	I do think housing belongs in the Marinian ship. I just think it needs to be responsible.
04:33:29.69	SPEAKER_24	So as to 72, I think that's great. As to 67, 68, and 70, I don't.
04:33:35.39	SPEAKER_24	Thank you, Leslie. Much appreciated.
04:33:38.44	SPEAKER_24	Okay.
04:33:40.86	Unknown	Our next speaker is Arthur Bruce. Arthur, you're being unmuted.
04:33:45.33	Unknown	and ask to share your video.
04:33:51.84	SPEAKER_35	Okay.
04:33:54.51	SPEAKER_35	Lot 67.
04:33:57.04	SPEAKER_35	currently saying
04:33:58.78	SPEAKER_35	in the parking lot, I could throw a rock
04:34:01.56	SPEAKER_35	and headlock.
04:34:03.08	SPEAKER_35	Mark 67.
04:34:04.33	SPEAKER_35	And
04:34:07.15	SPEAKER_35	There's some major environmental issues and some hazards here. But the boat crushing yard where boats are brought from not only Richardson Bay, but all around the bay to be crushed.
04:34:19.99	SPEAKER_35	There's been some inconclusive environmental reports
04:34:25.31	SPEAKER_35	so far, but there's a lot of toxicity and just the air
04:34:30.37	SPEAKER_35	depending on which way the wind is blowing from, can sometimes be filled with carcinogens
04:34:36.61	SPEAKER_35	materials such as fiberglass,
04:34:39.70	Unknown	Thank you.
04:34:39.94	Unknown	Thank you.
04:34:39.95	SPEAKER_35	streaming through the atmosphere. So I just wanted to note that, yes, there are also
04:34:46.38	SPEAKER_35	environmental hazards
04:34:48.14	SPEAKER_35	in regards to lot 67, 68.
04:34:52.68	SPEAKER_35	Thank you.
04:34:53.52	SPEAKER_35	Thank you.
04:34:53.56	Unknown	THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:34:53.86	SPEAKER_35	Thank you.
04:34:53.91	Unknown	Thank you very much.
04:34:56.46	Unknown	Our next speaker is Peter Van Meter. Peter, you've been unmuted.
04:35:00.25	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
04:35:00.52	Unknown	Thank you.
04:35:00.59	Unknown	Thank you.
04:35:03.16	SPEAKER_06	Thank you.
04:35:05.28	SPEAKER_06	I think they
04:35:06.68	SPEAKER_06	RV storage up against Bridgeway, commonly called the Gerhardt property, was designated as an opportunity site previously.
04:35:13.79	SPEAKER_06	I don't see it here.
04:35:15.26	SPEAKER_06	curious about that if it's been removed or just not showing on this map.
04:35:19.27	SPEAKER_06	If it is to be included, which I think it should be,
04:35:22.38	SPEAKER_06	Also add that little stub of the Arkez property that's between the office building and that storage.
04:35:29.13	SPEAKER_06	So it's all on the west side of Marin Shik way.
04:35:32.30	SPEAKER_06	I think both those parcels should be included.
04:35:35.71	SPEAKER_06	And finally, if you think back to the numbers we heard back hours ago at the beginning of this presentation from our consultant,
04:35:42.22	SPEAKER_06	The only way you're gonna meet your housing requirements is to have sufficient acreage to actually meet your low income housing requirement. Some portion
04:35:51.45	SPEAKER_06	of 67 and 68 is the only place that you've got the sufficient land area, you know, all the entire city, frankly,
04:35:58.30	SPEAKER_06	in order to meet that kind of requirement.
04:36:00.29	SPEAKER_06	You don't have to develop all that parcels.
04:36:02.96	SPEAKER_06	A good part of it.
04:36:04.21	SPEAKER_06	But take advantage of what you can to meet your requirement. You're not going to do it any other way. Thank you.
04:36:14.74	Unknown	And Madam Mayor, it looks like we have John DeRay. John, you're being unmuted.
04:36:20.44	Unknown	I have to show you the video.
04:36:22.28	Unknown	Thank you.
04:36:23.62	John	Thank you. Thank you, Serge. First thing I wanted to mention is that I'm told the South State of Working Waterfront Coalition submitted an open letter with 124 signatures that did not make it onto the agenda and also another 25 open letters with individual emails. So a total of 26 that did not make it onto the agenda. I hope City Council got those. The other thing I wanted to just mention briefly is about
04:36:50.28	John	this fallacy of protecting with a buffer. I think everybody knows
04:36:54.36	John	that that's not feasible and
04:36:56.81	John	you look at that property from the aerial view you could tell how close it is
04:37:01.33	John	And people are very willing to
04:37:04.72	John	ignore sea level rise, toxic materials, and all the other things
04:37:09.70	John	but putting vulnerable people down there
04:37:12.79	John	is crazy putting anybody down there is crazy is crazy and you think somebody's going to pay a million or two million dollars for a condo and going to be uh satisfied with uh overlooking a uh
04:37:25.08	John	a boat yard, an industrial yard.
04:37:27.84	John	You know, people down there are the innovators, the fabricators, the educators, the craftsmen, and the artists. And they really make this city special. And this will drive them out.
04:37:40.57	John	I know three city council member are all for this. For whatever reason, they have an affiliation with this property.
04:37:47.99	John	and this owner and it's unfortunate because it will destroy the working waterfront
04:37:53.27	John	And I have one other kind of
04:37:55.28	John	rhetorical question over the last four decades every time the working waterfront
04:38:00.56	John	was to be saved.
04:38:02.42	John	It always meant either adding new uses like hedge funds, travel firms, advertising firms, law firms, or it meant reducing
04:38:11.41	John	the size of the marine ship.
04:38:13.59	John	of the working waterfront every time for four decades. And now what do we wanna do to save the working waterfront? Reduce it some more.
04:38:19.70	John	You go to, as you know, I was on the general plan advisory committee. Sorry, sorry, John.
04:38:23.90	Kelman	Sorry, John, your time is up. Thanks very much.
04:38:27.09	John	Thank you.
04:38:32.31	Unknown	Our next speaker is Joan Cox. Joan, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
04:38:38.77	SPEAKER_08	Thank you.
04:38:40.29	SPEAKER_08	Thank you. Can you hear me?
04:38:42.24	SPEAKER_08	Yes.
04:38:42.87	SPEAKER_08	Right.
04:38:43.70	SPEAKER_08	I just wanted to again point out the fallacy
04:38:48.20	SPEAKER_08	THAT
04:38:49.99	SPEAKER_08	Space.
04:38:51.46	SPEAKER_08	equals affordability.
04:38:55.53	SPEAKER_08	The property owner has made no commitment to...
04:39:01.06	SPEAKER_08	utilizing this for high density
04:39:04.30	SPEAKER_08	AND I THINK THAT'S A
04:39:05.33	SPEAKER_08	affordable housing.
04:39:06.85	SPEAKER_08	He has talked about
04:39:08.62	SPEAKER_08	Um,
04:39:10.21	SPEAKER_08	CONTINUUM OF CARE.
04:39:12.06	SPEAKER_08	He's talked about senior housing, but he's never made a commitment to solely affordable housing.
04:39:19.00	SPEAKER_08	And so
04:39:20.31	SPEAKER_08	putting a lot of units on 67 and 68
04:39:24.45	SPEAKER_08	it by no means guarantees affordability in fact i doubt we would make very much of our
04:39:32.30	SPEAKER_08	we may get very far with our low income and very low income quota.
04:39:37.44	SPEAKER_08	the way to accomplish affordable housing
04:39:40.51	SPEAKER_08	is by utilizing
04:39:42.46	SPEAKER_08	city owned properties,
04:39:44.29	SPEAKER_08	and requiring the manner in which the developer
04:39:48.11	SPEAKER_08	develops those properties.
04:39:50.00	SPEAKER_08	The other area that has space is MLK.
04:39:54.54	SPEAKER_08	So it's also a fallacy that this is the only area in town that could accommodate
04:40:01.10	SPEAKER_08	affordable housing, it's less likely to accommodate affordable housing than
04:40:06.37	SPEAKER_08	the MLK property.
04:40:08.00	SPEAKER_08	If the owner of 67 and 68
04:40:11.01	SPEAKER_08	is committed to high density, affordable housing. I have yet to hear that. And I've met with the owner
04:40:18.58	SPEAKER_08	previously about his plans for this area.
04:40:23.41	SPEAKER_08	Thanks.
04:40:23.98	SPEAKER_08	Don't.
04:40:26.48	Unknown	We have another hand up, sir.
04:40:28.64	Unknown	Yes, our next speaker is Monira Consulman.
04:40:32.29	Unknown	you've been unmuted and ask you share your video.
04:40:41.30	Unknown	You need to unmute.
04:40:47.00	Kelman	You still need to unmute. We cannot hear you.
04:41:00.10	SPEAKER_26	Can you hear me?
04:41:01.13	SPEAKER_26	You are.
04:41:01.60	Huffman	Yeah.
04:41:01.99	SPEAKER_26	Yep sorry about that I just wanted to thank everybody
04:41:05.18	SPEAKER_26	for all the hard work they've done
04:41:07.24	SPEAKER_26	And I just wanted to also
04:41:09.33	SPEAKER_26	Um,
04:41:11.10	SPEAKER_26	I echo everything that's been said.
04:41:13.41	SPEAKER_26	especially when it pertains to 67, 68 and 70.
04:41:18.98	SPEAKER_26	If 72 is the Avatar restaurant, I think that's a good placement for
04:41:25.65	SPEAKER_26	for housing. But I just wanted to make those points and let everyone know that I'm supportive of not
04:41:32.50	SPEAKER_26	affecting the um
04:41:34.79	SPEAKER_26	or having the development in marineship way and and uh
04:41:39.53	SPEAKER_26	Thank you.
04:41:41.46	SPEAKER_26	Thank you, Mara.
04:41:43.09	Kelman	Okay, any other public comment, Sir?
04:41:45.86	Unknown	that a marriage does not look like we have any other hand free.
04:41:49.19	Kelman	Okay, so we'll go ahead and close public comment.
04:41:51.63	Kelman	back up to council members.
04:41:55.97	Kelman	Anybody want to lead off?
04:41:58.21	Kelman	This is 67, 68, 72, yeah, Councilman Hoffman.
04:42:01.52	Huffman	Just a point of clarification. Are we talking about 70%?
04:42:06.21	Huffman	Yes or no?
04:42:07.43	Kelman	No.
04:42:08.46	Huffman	Okay.
04:42:08.96	Huffman	Thank you.
04:42:09.13	Huffman	So that needs...
04:42:11.48	Huffman	It's confusing because then that needs to be delineated somehow that we're, that's off. Because it looks like looking at this map, that's why there's confusion, I think, by some people. So, okay. So we're 70s off, out of consideration, as far as I, from what we're just being told. Okay.
04:42:27.76	Huffman	Okay, so feedback and direction on these sites.
04:42:33.13	Huffman	I've commented several times in the past during the general plan update efforts and you know
04:42:40.67	Huffman	And now with this effort, I think this is the first time some of the council members have been able to weigh in on these sites. So.
04:42:47.25	Huffman	I have an issue with sites that are on or near or next to current former historic shipyards. And I think...
04:42:56.60	Huffman	I have a lot of concerns about increased risk for certain diseases that are as well documented from these kinds of sites. And whether or not that's an appropriate or responsible place for a government to rezone for housing. So, I mean, those are my comments with 67 and 68. Those are going to be probably my continuing concerns as we move forward. 72 I'm less concerned about because it seems to be more removed.
04:43:25.44	Huffman	from the industrial area and ongoing industrial operations. So the other part of it is I do believe that we need to you know, safeguard our working waterfront. It was clear during the pandemic that our economic resilience is reliant upon a working waterfront as well as part of our history and ongoing.
04:43:48.68	Huffman	I'm
04:43:50.10	Huffman	nature of our town. So those are my comments about
04:43:56.31	Huffman	67 and 68.
04:43:58.28	Huffman	That's something to you.
04:44:00.10	Huffman	Thank you, Councilman Hoffman.
04:44:00.96	Kelman	Thank you.
04:44:01.97	Huffman	Thank you.
04:44:01.99	Kelman	I can't work with us.
04:44:04.90	Cleveland	Yeah, thanks. So, I mean, we definitely have talked a lot about these sites at the HIAC, and we've talked a lot about these sites during the general plan.
04:44:14.28	Cleveland	AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND
04:44:18.63	Cleveland	all of us that
04:44:21.15	Cleveland	We made a very strong statement in our general plan
04:44:26.06	Cleveland	that it is our priority to protect the working waterfront, to protect the industrial, artistic,
04:44:32.59	Cleveland	and maritime uses and that is city policy and it is in our general plan.
04:44:38.09	Cleveland	We also simultaneously adopted an overlay
04:44:43.08	Cleveland	district that we
04:44:45.40	Cleveland	decided could apply throughout
04:44:47.71	Cleveland	for special use housing, senior,
04:44:52.92	Cleveland	affordable workforce, senior affordable housing.
04:44:56.97	Cleveland	And so that's currently
04:44:57.04	Unknown	and
04:45:00.11	Cleveland	where we are.
04:45:00.56	Unknown	where we are.
04:45:01.98	Cleveland	WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF
04:45:02.81	Cleveland	are down, I mean, right now we're
04:45:06.19	Cleveland	I've got four
04:45:07.97	Cleveland	sites in the friendship, which I think
04:45:10.56	Cleveland	kind of given our policy that we want to equally
04:45:14.71	Cleveland	distribute our housing
04:45:16.97	Cleveland	throughout is
04:45:19.25	Cleveland	you know.
04:45:20.04	Cleveland	given kind of land and strength and everything,
04:45:23.47	Cleveland	THAT'S FAIR.
04:45:24.90	Cleveland	We also have a demonstrated property owner and trust
04:45:29.34	Cleveland	And I think most importantly, 67 and well, not 67 is vacant, but 68, it has office use on it.
04:45:37.25	Cleveland	And that office use can continue in perpetuity.
04:45:41.30	Cleveland	And for me,
04:45:42.63	Cleveland	do I want office on that site or housing? And housing that can be
04:45:48.00	Cleveland	available for seniors or for workforce or for others, I
04:45:53.06	Cleveland	definitely remember in favor of housing.
04:45:56.13	Cleveland	And we can create buffers.
04:45:59.27	Cleveland	The fact that there's existing offices, people are working there,
04:46:04.30	Cleveland	um,
04:46:06.46	Cleveland	the current configuration has a giant parking lot
04:46:09.89	Cleveland	adjacent to the industrial
04:46:12.32	Cleveland	Ciao.
04:46:13.50	Cleveland	So,
04:46:14.49	Cleveland	that.
04:46:15.88	Cleveland	site development, et cetera, can account for a lot of that. And in terms of putting vulnerable populations in
04:46:22.33	Unknown	Yeah.
04:46:23.66	Cleveland	near unhealthy
04:46:25.16	Cleveland	I think our California building code, et cetera, you cannot build housing, you cannot locate housing in an area that's unsafe for human habitat.
04:46:34.98	Cleveland	So I think that will
04:46:37.72	Cleveland	if we ever get there.
04:46:39.76	Cleveland	that can be accommodated.
04:46:43.54	Cleveland	This is a developed site.
04:46:45.73	Cleveland	68.
04:46:47.42	Cleveland	And personally, I would prefer to see
04:46:51.30	Cleveland	residential than office at that site if the property in there is interested. So I would like to keep it on.
04:46:53.68	McDougall	All right.
04:46:58.51	Cleveland	And I think we can mitigate any impacts to the working waterfront. I think it's just a false dichotomy. Like the working waterfront is thriving
04:47:08.46	Cleveland	It's doing well.
04:47:10.33	Cleveland	It's a mechanism as we've all recognized.
04:47:13.79	Cleveland	economic engine.
04:47:15.33	Cleveland	But the working waterfront is not working on site 68 right now. And it's unlikely that it ever will because it's zoned
04:47:23.36	Cleveland	grandfathered for our first time.
04:47:25.72	Cleveland	So,
04:47:26.69	Cleveland	I'm in favor of keeping it on the housing element site. It's a big chunk of units.
04:47:32.53	Cleveland	and we have a property on them. Also in favor of 72. I also thought somehow that the RV storage area would still
04:47:40.79	Cleveland	on, but I guess it's not.
04:47:42.90	Cleveland	Oh.
04:47:43.56	Cleveland	So.
04:47:46.03	Cleveland	Anyway, that's those are my comments and that I'd like to just keep
04:47:49.92	Cleveland	keep looking at it and seeing what our trade offs are.
04:47:54.23	Kelman	Thanks very much, Vice Mayor.
04:47:55.39	Blausdean	Thank you.
04:48:00.57	Blausdean	Wow, it's definitely late when I'm still muted when I go to talk, sorry.
04:48:03.88	Blausdean	I think we're in a really difficult place as a community thinking about what the next 10, 20, 30, and 40 years will look like.
04:48:11.32	Blausdean	for our housing, it's a critical part of, you know, what type of community do we wanna be? How do we wanna welcome people? How do we wanna provide?
04:48:18.95	Blausdean	workforce housing, for instance, for folks who live and work on the working waterfront or for our city employees, who, you know, only three of whom live, something like I think about three last I checked live in Sausalito,
04:48:30.24	Blausdean	I feel like
04:48:31.87	Blausdean	and not to mention our socioeconomic makeup as a community, the part 92% white. And part of the reason we have these conversations about housing and that we have
04:48:39.70	Blausdean	this opportunity to create more
04:48:42.17	Blausdean	housing zones is because of that because of the real role housing plays in what our community looks like and what our makeup is and how welcome we are to um
04:48:50.76	Blausdean	becoming a more diverse place and,
04:48:52.49	Blausdean	AND I I REALLY FEEL
04:48:54.72	Blausdean	when it comes to housing right now, we need to get to a certain degree of affordable units. And I think that we need to learn more and look at a bigger picture of where does everything make sense in our community? Where can we put housing that makes sense? And at this point, taking any sites off
04:49:11.41	Blausdean	the table before we've had an opportunity to really look at them and what makes sense and where all of our options are I'm not comfortable with doing that I think this is an ongoing conversation we need to see you know are there buffers that are realistic what are they how to create a way to really effectively protect and preserve the waterfront it is part of our general plan as Councilmember Cleveland Knowles pointed out I just want to say at this point it doesn't necessarily mean
04:49:36.02	Blausdean	that these sites will be developed, but we're considering to look at them and see what the opportunities are. I don't think that any of us necessarily
04:49:43.34	Blausdean	HAVE, UM,
04:49:45.11	Blausdean	from what we're seeing here with just yes to this site, no to this site, a real
04:49:49.19	Blausdean	as Councilmember Sobieski has been referring to it, you know, a larger master plan for the community. And that's something that I'd really like to have an opportunity for all of us to build together and get to a place where we feel comfortable and where more folks get to weigh in and see real iterations of what housing might look like in different parcels in the marinship. So I'm not comfortable with taking any off the table
04:50:09.44	Blausdean	at this point and I look forward to finding out more about
04:50:12.80	Blausdean	you know weighing a part of the eir is finding out what environmental concerns there are if any and what that might look like so i think we need to continue the conversation
04:50:21.97	Kelman	THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.
04:50:23.84	Kelman	Um,
04:50:25.68	Kelman	Councilor Sebesky, do you want to try that?
04:50:27.74	Sobieski	Sure.
04:50:31.10	Sobieski	I would, you know, I agree with many things that different people have said. I'll agree. I'll say that putting housing in 67 and 68 doesn't do squat to help the working waterfront. That's for sure.
04:50:41.71	Unknown	true.
04:50:43.16	Sobieski	Um,
04:50:45.90	Sobieski	It's not necessarily incompatible either.
04:50:48.90	Sobieski	I grew up in a town where residential and working waterfront intermixed
04:50:54.77	Sobieski	very well.
04:50:56.66	Sobieski	The devil's in the details. The Working Water Coalition has pointed out examples of
04:51:02.40	Sobieski	housing next to boatyards that don't work well that do result in lawsuits.
04:51:06.08	Unknown	Amen.
04:51:06.57	Sobieski	Thank you.
04:51:06.60	Sobieski	But that isn't universally the case. It's just not.
04:51:11.39	Sobieski	the theory is there that it might be and i really hear and respect and sympathize with
04:51:18.63	Sobieski	the
04:51:19.90	Sobieski	concerned that this is
04:51:22.28	Sobieski	potential housing here, what would doom the working waterfront?
04:51:26.24	Unknown	Thank you.
04:51:26.38	Sobieski	I think there is a missed opportunity in this discussion
04:51:30.56	Sobieski	to actually have a win-win outcome.
04:51:33.33	Sobieski	where a master plan for the
04:51:37.42	Sobieski	Marinship is not devoted to the singular goal of figuring out how to cram housing into the marinship.
04:51:43.51	Sobieski	but whose singular goal is to bring the marine ship into the 21st century and have it survive for the next 100 years. There are serious infrastructure problems down there that are expensive.
04:51:55.05	Sobieski	Are we happy with the way that Slipways
04:51:58.00	Sobieski	look right now are we happy with Ian Moody's business being out of
04:52:01.80	Sobieski	Are we happy with the...
04:52:03.94	Sobieski	those businesses not being able to get more than 60 day leases.
04:52:07.92	Sobieski	these are intertwined problems.
04:52:10.90	Sobieski	Property owners are in the catbird's seat. They own the property. They don't have to do anything.
04:52:16.19	Sobieski	And at least some of them aren't doing anything.
04:52:18.83	Sobieski	That's not helping the working waterfront. It's not helping the workers there.
04:52:22.28	Sobieski	And it's not putting that area into the neck
04:52:25.51	Sobieski	is not preserving that area for the next hundred years.
04:52:28.29	Sobieski	So intention, pure intention only gets you so far.
04:52:32.39	Sobieski	What's the plan?
04:52:34.81	Sobieski	What's the plan?
04:52:36.46	Sobieski	for not just preserving the working waterfront, but enhancing it.
04:52:39.53	Sobieski	Where's the money going to come from?
04:52:41.42	Sobieski	How's the cooperation of
04:52:43.21	Sobieski	the property owner is going to be
04:52:45.24	Sobieski	obtained.
04:52:46.38	Sobieski	These are elements that could be answered by a master plan for that area
04:52:52.12	Sobieski	that would actually have the goal of
04:52:54.40	Sobieski	saving and enhancing
04:52:56.41	Sobieski	the working waterfront.
04:52:58.36	Sobieski	67 and 68 and 72 by themselves aren't part of that.
04:53:03.65	Sobieski	uh,
04:53:04.44	Sobieski	They are.
04:53:05.72	Sobieski	just about housing and the renin number.
04:53:07.44	Sobieski	And so if that's the zero sum choice we have to make, then that's
04:53:10.90	Sobieski	That's a definition of winners and losers.
04:53:14.14	Sobieski	So I'm super frustrated by that being the choice that we're stuck with and you have to choose. So I'm in favor of keeping them on this map.
04:53:23.83	Sobieski	Um,
04:53:24.92	Sobieski	But I'll say it again when we go to the open session, I think
04:53:28.27	Sobieski	It's way past time.
04:53:30.34	Sobieski	that we commit ourselves as a community to having a master plan that actually integrates all the considerations of very disparate people
04:53:39.62	Sobieski	to try to find win-win outcomes for the whole community.
04:53:43.15	Sobieski	And the working waterfront is a cornerstone of it.
04:53:46.37	Sobieski	I think the strategy of many who have expressed concerns about these two particular lots, there isn't a strategy for saving the working waterfront. There's a strategy for forestalling its decline
04:53:57.02	Sobieski	not for turning that decline around.
04:53:59.55	Sobieski	So I challenge my fellow neighbors
04:54:02.52	Sobieski	especially those that care about this, to
04:54:06.07	Sobieski	to collaborate.
04:54:07.74	Sobieski	on
04:54:08.75	Sobieski	making this problem bigger. There's a lot of sites here that aren't even mentioned where that have property owners
04:54:14.01	Sobieski	that
04:54:14.98	Sobieski	could be part of the solution for saving the ownership.
04:54:17.68	Sobieski	um,
04:54:19.06	Sobieski	And
04:54:20.65	Sobieski	but it's a matter of
04:54:22.10	Sobieski	coming up with win-win outcomes.
04:54:24.43	Sobieski	I'll say more about it in a
04:54:26.23	Sobieski	I guess during the wrap up, but on the narrow question of these three sites, I would keep them on the map.
04:54:32.95	Kelman	Okay, thank you. I'll weigh in, which is not surprising.
04:54:37.30	Kelman	would much prefer to remove them. And let me speak to community and affordability.
04:54:42.47	Kelman	because although I didn't vote on the City Hall dialogue,
04:54:45.98	Kelman	I was absolutely shocked.
04:54:47.51	Kelman	that you took.
04:54:49.25	Kelman	the whole property off except for a tiny sliver of a parking lot.
04:54:53.86	Kelman	and
04:54:54.58	Kelman	YOU HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY,
04:54:57.77	Kelman	And it was great. I thought people made great comments.
04:55:01.42	Kelman	Same thing here. This is the heart and soul of Sausalito. 400 houseboats, 2,000 slips. We are a maritime community.
04:55:08.50	Kelman	And yet I don't hear that here.
04:55:10.75	Kelman	And you talk about affordability.
04:55:12.92	Kelman	The only way to ensure that you actually get affordable housing is if you have site control.
04:55:18.88	Kelman	This isn't site control, this is a private property owner.
04:55:21.26	Kelman	Right?
04:55:22.06	Kelman	And yet,
04:55:23.12	Kelman	THE DECISION YOU ALL MADE ON SIDNEY HALL
04:55:26.10	Kelman	which went so quickly. And maybe perhaps you ended up agreeing to the wrong thing because what I heard you say is only focus on the parking lot.
04:55:35.27	Kelman	That's what I heard you say at the end of that conversation, even though Ian had actually said,
04:55:40.26	Kelman	Let's create a subset, let's do both.
04:55:42.78	Kelman	We kept both alternatives just for clarification. Okay, well maybe we'll make sure that the consultant heard that because that is not the way I heard you articulate it.
04:55:52.13	Kelman	So thank you for that. And we'll certainly confirm that.
04:55:55.35	Kelman	But my point is how easily
04:55:58.07	Kelman	you talk about master planning. Look at this, look at this map.
04:56:01.63	Kelman	I mean, look how impactful this is to eviscerate the heart of our historic working waterfront. 72, great idea.
04:56:09.95	Kelman	Fantastic idea, more properties, north part of Marinsch, that makes total sense. But I just don't see how on one property we can have this really beautiful, eloquent conversation or affordability and community and maintaining the heart and soul.
04:56:23.72	Kelman	And then here I'm looking at the heart and soul of the historic
04:56:27.46	Kelman	Portuguese sailing community and we so easily are ready to dismiss it. So that's that's really what bothers me, the lack of vision around this area and the desire to
04:56:40.35	Kelman	get into the weeds on a
04:56:42.68	Kelman	this area where we don't get into the weeds and other areas. I hear any conversation about how we're going to renovate city hall.
04:56:49.11	Kelman	I don't hear any conversation about how we're going to fix that infrastructure for our employees.
04:56:52.93	Kelman	And yet we're talking about infrastructure down here. We're talking about how we're going to pay for it.
04:56:56.40	Kelman	I just, I don't understand the lack of consistency in the way we address
04:56:59.90	Kelman	properties and so i'm fully in favor of a master plan because i think a master plan needs to embrace the vision of who we are in sauce ludo
04:57:07.51	Kelman	So I'll just continue. It's no surprise to any of you, I'm sure. So I appreciate you letting me articulate my concerns
04:57:13.63	Kelman	um that i don't think this is appropriate to include 67 and 68.
04:57:18.31	Kelman	So I think,
04:57:20.50	Kelman	because the two of us have articulated that.
04:57:23.32	Kelman	I would be I think we need to actually have
04:57:25.92	Kelman	a motion on this, maybe the city attorney
04:57:29.14	Kelman	clarify that?
04:57:34.98	Vicki Nichols	Thank you.
04:57:35.03	Kelman	No.
04:57:35.08	Mary Wagner	with you.
04:57:35.23	Kelman	Thank you.
04:57:35.25	Mary Wagner	Thank you.
04:57:35.28	Kelman	Thank you.
04:57:35.32	Mary Wagner	Yeah, I don't think we have clear direction on what to do with that site, Madam Mayor. Okay.
04:57:35.33	Kelman	Yeah, I don't think we
04:57:42.10	Kelman	So two of us would like to remove 67 and 68.
04:57:46.37	Kelman	It sounds like three people are willing to keep it on.
04:57:50.03	Kelman	If I have that incorrect,
04:57:51.82	Kelman	please
04:57:53.66	Kelman	Speak up.
04:57:55.79	Cleveland	So I think we've had similar kind of policy disagreements and we've come to agreement on all of them, including on the city hall site where we did agree
04:58:05.12	Cleveland	to keep both options on but to
04:58:07.58	Cleveland	vigorously look at.
04:58:07.82	Unknown	Thank you.
04:58:09.64	Cleveland	the alternative that council member Sobieski agreed to. And so I really wish we didn't have to come to a vote on this. And I don't think that's,
04:58:19.01	Cleveland	necessary and it's kind of odd that we're calling for a vote on just one item tonight.
04:58:23.83	Cleveland	but
04:58:24.54	Cleveland	So that said, I would like to, as we have, kind of our general
04:58:29.65	Cleveland	policy tonight has been to move items forward for environmental review so I'd make a motion
04:58:35.59	Cleveland	that we move 67 68 and 72 through on that.
04:58:40.00	Cleveland	Cites recognizing all of the concerns raised by
04:58:43.74	Cleveland	Everyone in the community, including the working waterfront,
04:58:43.98	Unknown	Thank you.
04:58:47.64	Cleveland	And
04:58:49.75	Cleveland	to the mayor and Councilmember Hoffman and to
04:58:55.34	Cleveland	look at options and alternatives as we move forward. And I think we should also call out this site.
04:59:00.97	Cleveland	for these sites, 72, 67, and 68, as ones worthy of
04:59:06.85	Cleveland	additional scrutiny
04:59:08.48	Cleveland	and visual
04:59:11.56	Cleveland	Well.
04:59:12.50	Cleveland	you know, renditions and alternatives
04:59:15.45	Cleveland	as we move forward in the process.
04:59:18.95	Sobieski	Yeah, I also just want to respond to the mayor's comments. I respect that we, I guess, are gonna agree to disagree on the perspective.
04:59:27.65	Sobieski	there
04:59:28.38	Sobieski	You're not alone in thinking and saying that
04:59:31.87	Sobieski	housing there somehow eviscerates the waterfront. This housing there is where the offices are.
04:59:37.19	Sobieski	the working waterfront in the adjacent substantial property
04:59:41.24	Kelman	And I'm so sorry, given the late hour, we have a pending motion. I welcome your additional comments when we conclude, but do you want to second the motion?
04:59:49.98	Sobieski	I was just going to
04:59:52.06	Sobieski	materially respond to your comments since it felt like it's important to know that
04:59:57.35	Sobieski	We can both agree with the same objective and just have different paths of getting there.
05:00:01.94	Kelman	Yeah, of course.
05:00:03.09	Kelman	Appreciate that.
05:00:08.73	Kelman	Do we have a second for Sandra?
05:00:08.88	Blausdean	Do you have a second?
05:00:10.62	Blausdean	I'm still trying to understand do we do we need to vote on it or can we just do what we did before?
05:00:15.83	Blausdean	with the other sites. It just seems weird to vote on just one site and not all the other ones when we've talked about it together. I don't know. I just, like, consistency seems to make the most sense, especially given the points you made about consistency with regards to sites.
05:00:25.11	Unknown	TO GIVE THE POINT.
05:00:28.32	Blausdean	Mary, what's your thought?
05:00:31.44	Blausdean	Thank you.
05:00:31.46	Mary Wagner	It sounds like the council's direction is to include
05:00:35.37	Mary Wagner	67, 68 and 72.
05:00:38.02	Mary Wagner	in the analysis.
05:00:39.64	Mary Wagner	And if that's accurate,
05:00:41.14	Mary Wagner	then we can move forward. If it's not accurate, then you guys should
05:00:45.68	Mary Wagner	Clarify.
05:00:46.75	Huffman	I think there's, I think there's, it's a 3-2. I think two of us would like to remove 67 and 68 because of the issues that we've just talked about.
05:00:55.56	Huffman	.
05:00:57.75	Huffman	On all the other sites, we've generally had a consensus about how to move forward. And I think we agreed early on that if we
05:01:07.45	Huffman	If we all agreed or no one had an objection to a site, then we would just move on and we wouldn't call for a vote.
05:01:12.73	Huffman	But yeah, it's just
05:01:13.87	Cleveland	Yeah, it's just unfortunate. You know, I agree that because this is just being, it's being teed up and advertised as a three-two issue and it's not, there's lots of room here for discussion.
05:01:25.74	Cleveland	and
05:01:26.54	Cleveland	But if we have to vote, let's just vote. But I don't think it's helping things. And it's just creating
05:01:32.21	Cleveland	more community consternation, where there's plenty of room for lots of dialogue.
05:01:37.71	Cleveland	So moving things forward has been the
05:01:40.22	Cleveland	That's been the watchword of tonight. We've all kind of tried to get there, even though we have sites that we would prefer not to see move forward.
05:01:40.39	Huffman	Okay.
05:01:47.04	Huffman	Well, we've so okay, well, let me let me give the opportunity then because we've had I've suggested things on other sites about how to, you know, address it or that
05:01:56.56	Huffman	signaling that I have concerns about the site, but to move forward on it.
05:02:00.39	Huffman	Um, and especially the city hall site, we kind of, you know, it may be a late hour as well, but.
05:02:05.84	Huffman	you know, we sort of came up with a, you know, a path forward that we all kind of agreed to. I haven't heard that on this site.
05:02:13.87	Huffman	I've heard that.
05:02:14.12	Cleveland	for just moving it forward for further review, taking into consideration all of the
05:02:19.79	Cleveland	concerns that have been raised. But if we're not going to get there, I've got a motion. If nobody wants to second it, let's just move on and take them off.
05:02:21.63	Huffman	We're not going to get there.
05:02:26.76	Huffman	Well, I think you started us down this road, Susan. Do you not want to continue? I mean, I'm asking.
05:02:31.10	Cleveland	You're not proposing an alternative. So if you want to propose an alternative, make another motion.
05:02:36.60	Cleveland	Well, I was asking you if you wanted to.
05:02:38.56	Huffman	Thank you.
05:02:39.17	Huffman	Thank you.
05:02:39.24	Cleveland	No, I want to move on board with the understanding that we're going to look at models. I mean, we've got, this is, you take it off, we've got 153 units.
05:02:39.27	Huffman	No, I want to move forward with
05:02:49.58	Cleveland	that,
05:02:49.72	Huffman	Right, and we're at 975 or something. I mean, we're way over our number anyway.
05:02:49.73	Cleveland	Right.
05:02:56.06	Huffman	Sure, we need units and we need places as we've talked throughout the evening,
05:03:01.07	Huffman	There are a lot of landowners who
05:03:05.39	Huffman	I don't know what the process has been to reach out to them, but on this call, we've had,
05:03:11.62	Huffman	property owners saying no one reached out to me and I'd be interested in.
05:03:14.96	Huffman	And we all know of, you know, parcel 106 that we all believe is amenable to
05:03:20.71	Huffman	additional units.
05:03:22.55	Huffman	The arguments of we have to have these two units because of
05:03:26.57	Huffman	the numbers is not particularly persuasive to me.
05:03:29.42	Huffman	the argument that it's not next to, you know, a working waterfront area, I can look at the map and see that it's right next to it. And I can also see in the bottom left-hand corner that that's a boat crushing yard.
05:03:40.76	Huffman	So if you think that
05:03:41.88	Huffman	like the concern of is this a particularly great site for housing and and do we want to waste any more time and effort and
05:03:48.76	Huffman	And, you know,
05:03:51.07	Huffman	issue on it and with our community on it when we have so many people that are opposed to it, just as we gave
05:03:57.16	Huffman	You know, we gave consideration to people who are
05:03:59.80	Huffman	I'm opposed to the city hall site.
05:04:01.85	Huffman	there are quite a number of people in town who are opposed to this site.
05:04:07.14	Huffman	other than just
05:04:09.26	Huffman	a reference to maybe we could do a buffer
05:04:12.84	Huffman	I haven't heard anything from the council
05:04:15.74	Huffman	about specifically how we can address this quite large site
05:04:20.64	Huffman	right next to
05:04:22.21	Huffman	the working waterfront area you know and address these issues that have come up so
05:04:28.03	Huffman	you know, I, I,
05:04:29.55	Huffman	I feel like there are
05:04:31.81	Huffman	maybe things that we could consider but if if we're all just you know going back to our corners and
05:04:37.58	Huffman	then fine, let's take a vote.
05:04:39.94	Huffman	I would like to...
05:04:40.11	Cleveland	I would like to. We need a second first and then.
05:04:44.30	Blausdean	We did a pending motion. Does somebody want to second this?
05:04:44.45	Cleveland	Well, I just feel like
05:04:48.04	Blausdean	Can I just weigh in for a second before we... I mean, I'm gonna...
05:04:52.77	Blausdean	My concern here is that we have 153 potential sites that we need to fill
05:04:58.51	Blausdean	We're offering an opportunity to continue the conversation without taking anything off the table. We're not saying yes, this is the sites we're going to develop.
05:05:05.34	Blausdean	I'm not saying
05:05:06.50	Blausdean	we're immediately going to say yes to development of these specific parcels. This is an ongoing discussion that we need to have to see what makes sense. I would not feel comfortable if we didn't have more information about what does it look like to preserve the working waterfront, which is what we've all talked about, and it's in our general plan. So I don't know what more information with regards to a buffer that might look like,
05:05:26.48	Blausdean	I mean, the reason that I like Susan's motion and I will
05:05:30.37	Blausdean	seconded is because it's to include all of the sites and consider them
05:05:33.84	Blausdean	And so the fact that it's a consideration of all of the sites and a conversation about what's going on without making the decision of yes or no at this point. I mean, this is not the final housing element vote. This is a discussion to continue the conversation about the sites. And I would like more information. I would like an environmental review. I would like to know what is the realistic buffer. I would like to walk the working waterfront. I would like to see the film. I would like to do all of those things so that we can really work together to figure out if it makes the most sense. But as I've done tonight,
05:06:01.94	Blausdean	consistently, I haven't taken any sites off the table. And I just don't think it makes sense to take sites off the table at this stage. That's how I feel about it.
05:06:10.16	Kelman	Thank you very much, Vice Mayor.
05:06:10.36	Blausdean	Thank you very much.
05:06:11.76	Kelman	Okay, sir, should we please call the roll?
05:06:15.29	Kelman	Can I?
05:06:15.76	Huffman	Thank you.
05:06:15.78	Kelman	Thank you.
05:06:15.88	Kelman	Oh.
05:06:16.50	Huffman	Can I offer an alternate vote?
05:06:18.36	Huffman	Yeah, please. So I would say let's take 68 off.
05:06:22.69	Huffman	I leave 67 on for further consideration.
05:06:25.46	Huffman	68 will provide that buffer that everybody's been talking about it would remove
05:06:29.81	Huffman	it would remove it at least from the most active areas of the boat yard down there on the left hand, it would remove it from those active areas
05:06:38.46	Huffman	on the right hand side. So I would say, I would make a motion to say,
05:06:43.37	Huffman	Let's leave 67 on for further consideration with a close look and a hard look at the impacts that we've all talked about and the need for rezoning that area
05:06:55.30	Huffman	for further housing, but take 68 off and understanding
05:06:59.67	Huffman	that I believe, let me ask a clarification, a legal question.
05:07:03.40	Huffman	since this is a fair traffic initiative area, would we have to have this go to the ballot?
05:07:09.15	Huffman	you
05:07:10.52	Huffman	Only if the change would increase the FAR.
05:07:14.87	Huffman	Okay.
05:07:15.65	Huffman	So this also has an issue about whether or not this would have to go to a ballot.
05:07:19.55	Huffman	Anyway, my alternate motion, do I have a second for my alternate motion?
05:07:23.19	Huffman	I would second.
05:07:23.97	Kelman	I appreciate that compromise. Thank you.
05:07:26.04	Huffman	Thank you.
05:07:26.40	Mary Wagner	Madam Mayor, may I ask a point of clarification just so that staff is clear on the motion? Because you're going to take the second motion first, correct? So you're leaving, you would like 67 included, 68 is off.
05:07:26.45	Huffman	Madam Mayor.
05:07:27.83	Huffman	Thank you.
05:07:27.85	Kelman	clarification just so that staff
05:07:29.18	Huffman	Yeah.
05:07:32.93	Kelman	Yes.
05:07:33.28	Unknown	Thank you.
05:07:38.33	Mary Wagner	70 is off, 72 is on.
05:07:41.16	Mary Wagner	Yes. Okay, thank you.
05:07:43.00	Huffman	I don't think, but we're not talking about 70 tonight, right?
05:07:47.14	Mary Wagner	I mean, we can go back to make sure we're all following Councilmember Hoffman.
05:07:47.64	Huffman	We can go back
05:07:50.88	Huffman	Okay, I don't think 70 is on. I don't think so. I've heard that tonight we're not talking about 70. So, yeah, the alternate motion is just...
05:07:57.50	Huffman	Take 68 off, leave 72 and 67 on.
05:08:01.29	Blausdean	How many sites would that leave us with lacking if we did that potentially?
05:08:01.51	Huffman	How many?
05:08:07.34	Huffman	Besides, you mean numbers?
05:08:08.94	Blausdean	Yeah.
05:08:10.04	Huffman	Thank you.
05:08:10.07	Blausdean	I'm not sure.
05:08:10.17	Huffman	uh,
05:08:10.32	Blausdean	how many houses.
05:08:10.93	Huffman	We would still be well within our, I think we'd be well within the buffer even. It's 106, 68, it's 169.
05:08:18.15	Huffman	Yeah, but we're 900 and something.
05:08:20.87	Cleveland	So, and I just wanna clarify,
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05:08:23.77	Cleveland	my emotion
05:08:25.68	Cleveland	for 68 and 67 includes the idea of a buffer, but we're not gonna,
05:08:30.78	Cleveland	TO GET INTO THAT TONIGHT.
05:08:32.78	Cleveland	I mean, I don't want to say what the buffer would be.
05:08:35.87	Cleveland	them.
05:08:36.34	Cleveland	but it does include that.
05:08:37.27	Sobieski	That's the thing, guys.
05:08:41.29	Sobieski	This is, am I wrong? This is for the EIR review. This is not approving a zoning change. It's not approving...
05:08:47.62	Sobieski	of variance of height limits or
05:08:51.31	Sobieski	or anything, it's improving moving forward.
05:08:53.84	Sobieski	with the environmental assessment.
05:08:56.22	Sobieski	Um,
05:08:58.97	Sobieski	This is a surprise that
05:09:01.34	Sobieski	mean there is a lot of work to be done to ensure that anything that
05:09:06.20	Sobieski	I mean, the whole point of it is that these red blocks are driving me crazy because I'm opposed to certain things in some of these red blocks.
05:09:13.40	Sobieski	And I'm in favor of others.
05:09:15.38	Sobieski	Some things in these red blocks will enhance Sausalito and meet our goals as a community and some will
05:09:22.14	Sobieski	Those details matter.
05:09:24.22	Sobieski	and that
05:09:25.38	Sobieski	And at some point, we've got to start constraining what can go into these red blocks
05:09:31.42	Sobieski	uh,
05:09:32.66	Sobieski	to achieve those goals. So I'm not in favor of anything in these 67, 68.
05:09:38.90	Sobieski	Um,
05:09:40.55	Sobieski	I'm in favor of something.
05:09:42.04	Sobieski	but not in terms of anything.
05:09:43.90	Sobieski	I'm more in favor of it.
05:09:45.67	Sobieski	if the things that are there benefit
05:09:48.20	Sobieski	Marinship
05:09:50.58	Sobieski	And I believe that they can.
05:09:52.38	Sobieski	Uh,
05:09:53.72	Sobieski	So,
05:09:55.12	Sobieski	So that's my point. And that's why I wouldn't be in favor of removing them.
05:09:59.47	Sobieski	I'm in favor of
05:10:01.97	Sobieski	But just because we're including him isn't saying that anything is allowed. We are just beginning the process of talking about what those things are. A buffer is a...
05:10:12.09	Sobieski	kind of just a term, like 100 yards or whatnot. I mean, when you have lunch at Fish Restaurant, you're right next to,
05:10:18.42	SPEAKER_06	Mm-hmm.
05:10:18.67	Sobieski	the boatyard.
05:10:20.82	Sobieski	And, um,
05:10:22.72	Sobieski	And to my mind, that enhances my experience at Fish Restaurant.
05:10:26.20	Sobieski	That, of course.
05:10:27.62	Sobieski	is only relevant in terms of an example of how some things can work together for some kinds of uses and some can't. So the orientation of a residence, windows, sound walls, buffers, driveways, parking garages, open space, and physical buffers are all tools that either do or don't make certain situations compatible.
05:10:50.20	Sobieski	Um,
05:10:51.24	Sobieski	So,
05:10:52.27	Sobieski	Those details all matter.
05:10:53.77	Sobieski	And
05:10:55.31	Sobieski	So period, those details matter.
05:10:57.84	Kelman	Thank you.
05:10:58.63	Kelman	Well, thank you. And look, I too enjoy when we have a 5-0 consensus on things. It often makes things much, much easier.
05:11:06.87	Kelman	So I very much appreciate everybody's comments.
05:11:09.84	Kelman	I'm not sure.
05:11:10.85	Kelman	With that said, we do have
05:11:12.88	Kelman	Two motions pending.
05:11:14.55	Kelman	And I think we have to
05:11:16.61	Kelman	take the roll on that.
05:11:21.20	Kelman	So, Serge,
05:11:22.02	Mary Wagner	if that's, if you're still with us.
05:11:23.98	Unknown	Thank you.
05:11:24.00	Mary Wagner	TO BE CLEAR.
05:11:24.00	Unknown	TO BE CLEAR.
05:11:24.92	Unknown	Thank you.
05:11:24.98	Unknown	Thank you.
05:11:25.38	Mary Wagner	to be clear madam mayor members of the council so you're taking the substitute motion which is the motion made by
05:11:30.36	Mary Wagner	Council member Hoffman first.
05:11:32.15	Mary Wagner	Yes.
05:11:33.16	Mary Wagner	THANK YOU.
05:11:33.77	SPEAKER_26	Thank you.
05:11:35.59	Unknown	Council member Sobieski?
05:11:39.25	Unknown	Council member Lula Noll.
05:11:41.16	Huffman	Oh.
05:11:42.73	Unknown	Council member Hoffman.
05:11:44.15	Huffman	YES.
05:11:45.24	Unknown	Vice Mayor Blaustein.
05:11:46.85	Huffman	Thank you.
05:11:46.86	Kelman	now.
05:11:48.85	Unknown	Eric Kelman.
05:11:49.82	Kelman	Yes.
05:11:51.77	Unknown	I'm not sure.
05:11:51.81	Kelman	All right, motion fails. So now we have our other motion.
05:11:55.89	Kelman	You take the role on that.
05:11:57.97	Unknown	Council member Sobieski?
05:12:00.21	Unknown	Council member Lou Reynolds.
05:12:01.78	Kelman	Yeah.
05:12:01.97	Unknown	Thank you.
05:12:02.86	Unknown	Council member Hoffman.
05:12:04.31	Unknown	Thank you.
05:12:04.35	Kelman	No.
05:12:05.56	Unknown	Vice Mayor Blavstein.
05:12:07.11	Kelman	Yes.
05:12:08.19	Unknown	Mayor Kelman.
05:12:09.17	Kelman	No.
05:12:11.15	Kelman	Well, thank you, everybody. This is what public discourse and public hearings are for. So really appreciate everybody sharing your thoughts and being candid and being as collaborative as we can. Although we don't always see our eyes. So I really respect and appreciate that. So thanks, everybody.
05:12:25.64	Kelman	but I think that's a good question.
05:12:26.57	Kelman	Not to be outdone, we do have one more neighborhood. Sorry to share that. So this is actually moving on to the Nevada Street Valley
05:12:35.33	Kelman	Let's see.
05:12:37.13	Kelman	Looks like we have no conflicts. So Beth?
05:12:40.14	Kelman	Thank you for bearing with us. We welcome your presentation here.
05:12:42.96	Beth	All right, and so, and I've divided this just, it's all group one, I've divided it into two separate sets just so we can get them all on the map and not have to zoom out too far.
05:12:52.90	Beth	So we have site 73 located at the Willow Creek Academy and the school district's master plan for Willow Creek Academy does include staff housing. So we've included site 73.
05:13:05.62	Beth	So we anticipate somewhere between 25 to 40, well, 39 units on the site.
05:13:11.56	Beth	Site 74 is a city on site located on Woodward Avenue,.04 acres, anticipate about two units on the site.
05:13:21.56	Beth	Sites 75 and 76 are the city's corporation yard. We're looking at those with a potential density of about 70 units per acre. And with those two units, or those two sites would accommodate about 34 units.
05:13:34.95	Beth	And then lastly, site 105. And this was a site that had been approved by the HEAC and we had inadvertently removed it. There were a bunch of paper streets located in the southern area of the city. And we had removed those. We got a lot of comment about them. They were really small little parcels. This is not a small little parcel. It doesn't have the same issues as those sites. And we had inadvertently removed it. So we have put this one back in for the city to continue to explore. It is adjacent, a city-owned parcel.
05:14:04.41	Beth	And so there is the potential for the city to be able to acquire that. And so that would accommodate about 25 units. It's about 0.63 acres and it's located between Bridgeway and Woodward Avenue. It doesn't have an APN or an address. So those are the first set of sites in group one.
05:14:24.39	Beth	And then we also have a number of sites. Let's see, we have sites 79, 81, and
05:14:33.52	Beth	And those are both along Bridgeway. There's some commercial uses here. We have a few property owners who haven't responded. And then 79 and 81 are both property owners who are interested in developing their sites.
05:14:44.76	Beth	We have site 84, which is the Martin Luther King site and
05:14:49.45	Beth	This site, it's very small print on the map. It's not anticipated that the entire site would be developed with housing. The entire site's about 17.2 acres and it includes the sports fields here and the tennis courts. We're anticipating that some portion of this area in pink, about two and a half to three acres would be developed with housing.
05:15:10.97	Beth	And that the existing uses, it would be a type of mixed use development that would either be separate buildings or combined together, but would seek to retain many of the existing uses on the site. And that would accommodate about 140 units. And this site is, it's not a voter initiative per se, but the city's ordinance 1128 does call for a vote of the people on the site, on site 84.
05:15:38.44	Beth	Site 85 is located in the Caltrans right of way. So it's a site that's also not a parcel, but there is the potential for the city to work with Caltrans for them to declare it surplus property and to put it up for sale. So that site can be designated for about 49 units per acre.
05:15:55.96	Beth	and would achieve about 17 units.
05:15:59.09	Beth	Sites 86 and 87, the property owner hasn't responded to outreach. These were included in the previous housing element cycle.
05:16:08.04	Beth	I believe they're under the same ownership and we'll have to double check that.
05:16:11.55	Beth	But site 86 would accommodate about 26 units and site 87 about seven units. Site 87 is vacant. 86 has about three dwelling units on it.
05:16:24.69	Kelman	Thank you.
05:16:24.71	Beth	Thank you.
05:16:24.74	Kelman	Thank you very much, Beth.
05:16:26.53	Kelman	Any questions for Beth on either of groups?
05:16:32.44	Kelman	This slide says group one, but this is the group two, right?
05:16:35.17	Beth	They're all part of group one. I just didn't wanna try to squeeze the images on a single slide. So one A and one B.
05:16:42.41	Kelman	in one day.
05:16:43.76	Beth	Got it, okay.
05:16:44.98	Kelman	IS THERE A GROUP TWO FOR THIS?
05:16:46.22	Beth	Nope, this is it. There are no comments.
05:16:47.93	Kelman	Netflix.
05:16:48.88	Beth	area.
05:16:48.99	Kelman	Yeah, excellent. All right, any questions for Ms.
05:16:53.89	Kelman	Council members, I'm scrolling. I don't see anybody. Okay, so why don't we go ahead and run through public comment really quickly here.
05:17:00.06	Blausdean	Thank you.
05:17:01.19	Blausdean	We have a quick question.
05:17:01.33	Kelman	I love it.
05:17:01.58	Unknown	Thank you.
05:17:01.62	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
05:17:02.48	Kelman	Thank you.
05:17:02.49	Blausdean	Oh yes. I have a really quick question. Sorry, just I wanted to make sure because the number of units and how many acres on the ebb tide property, is it still at 49 units per acre or is this, this is 70? So this is the only site in our entire, in our entire
05:17:02.54	Kelman	Oh, yes.
05:17:15.74	Blausdean	housing element consideration where we've increased the per acre load right
05:17:20.58	Beth	No, there are several other sites that were also 70 units per acre. I think the, yeah, some of the corporation yard would also be at 70 units per acre, the small city-owned site as well. So there are a few.
05:17:21.16	Blausdean	Yeah.
05:17:30.32	Cleveland	Thank you.
05:17:33.42	Beth	Okay.
05:17:34.42	Beth	Okay, thanks.
05:17:37.53	Unknown	Our first speaker, it's Peter Van Meter. Peter, you've been unmuted.
05:17:42.99	SPEAKER_06	Thank you. If you go back to the first picture of this area, please.
05:17:46.69	SPEAKER_06	Um,
05:17:47.63	SPEAKER_06	This is the most important addition that you can make. If you go back to the first note,
05:17:53.13	SPEAKER_06	of the
05:17:55.11	SPEAKER_06	You know, not this one.
05:17:56.36	SPEAKER_06	Yeah, that was, pardon me, pardon me, that's it. Go back.
05:18:01.71	SPEAKER_06	I'm talking about the corner of Nevada and Bridgeway.
05:18:05.13	SPEAKER_06	And this is the Willow Creek restoration area.
05:18:08.03	SPEAKER_06	which is a private open space.
05:18:10.60	SPEAKER_06	If you go back to that other picture, it might be clearer to see.
05:18:13.97	SPEAKER_06	and where that can actually be integrated with the
05:18:16.94	SPEAKER_06	uh,
05:18:18.90	SPEAKER_06	corporation yard behind those two houses that exist in that area.
05:18:22.72	SPEAKER_06	So this is a portion where you could do restoration of that Creek.
05:18:26.38	SPEAKER_06	build substantial number of housing units in that area.
05:18:29.82	SPEAKER_06	And I think that should clearly be designated as an opportunity site. Because it's one of the best opportunities in my opinion, you've got in the entire city to create some very interesting and creative housing in that area. And also do a restoration at the same time, thank you.
05:18:46.68	Kelman	THANK YOU, PETER.
05:18:48.77	SPEAKER_06	Oh, and please include that in your motion.
05:18:50.93	SPEAKER_06	Thank you.
05:18:54.17	Unknown	Our next speaker.
05:18:56.06	Unknown	is Vicki Nichols. Vicki, you've been unmuted.
05:19:00.52	Vicki Nichols	Hi, I just like to ask for a small correction. On the first slide, slide, site 73, we are now a United School District unified, and there is no longer Willow Creek. That's known now as the Nevada campus. I'd like to see that reflected in
05:19:19.30	Vicki Nichols	the maps going forward.
05:19:21.39	Vicki Nichols	And the parcel that Peter just mentioned, if it's what I'm thinking of there on the corner adjacent to the
05:19:28.06	Vicki Nichols	Um,
05:19:29.10	Vicki Nichols	proposal to underground that creek. I thought there were deed restrictions on that that were given
05:19:34.79	Vicki Nichols	when that was given to the city? Have those been looked into?
05:19:38.11	Vicki Nichols	Thank you.
05:19:39.51	Vicki Nichols	Thanks, Vicki.
05:19:42.13	Unknown	Next speaker is Cloris Henry. Cloris, you're being unmuted and asked to share your video.
05:19:55.33	Kelman	Thank you for, thank you. Thank you for waiting. Good to see you.
05:20:00.15	Cloris Henry	Yeah, I've been a little bit happy on the trigger, right?
05:20:05.03	SPEAKER_24	Thank you.
05:20:06.04	Cloris Henry	Yes, again, hi, my name is Cloris Henry. I'm the Chief Operating Officer of the L'Essé-Francés de San Francisco LSFF.
05:20:13.31	Cloris Henry	which we leased the buildings three, four, and five from the city of Sausalito at 100 Epcot.
05:20:19.49	Cloris Henry	Thank you.
05:20:19.68	Cloris Henry	We've operated the French Emerge and preschool through fifth grade school at this site since 2013. And we've been in operation as a school for over 50 years. We teach our students that global citizenship is an essential part of being a responsible member of society. So we really understand the importance of the process you're undertaking and how its outcomes may impact the community.
05:20:34.54	Unknown	I'm going to
05:20:43.42	Cloris Henry	that we're a part of and that we're deeply invested in.
05:20:46.56	Cloris Henry	Our school has been made aware of the inclusion of the regional housing needs allocation and submitted a formal letter to HHEAC expressing our concern and asking for more information on how we can be a part of the conversation in the future of our school site.
05:21:03.35	Cloris Henry	This meeting tonight and the previous HIAC meeting that we attended has been really illuminating.
05:21:10.39	Cloris Henry	We spoke briefly to expressing our sentiments, and unfortunately we haven't received much response. There's growing concern within our school community, and as one of the largest, if possibly we don't want to assume the largest species of the city of Sausalito, we assumed we would be kept up to date on the progress of this matter. Now let me just go into a little bit um as you guys all know we as we've survived a pandemic we've really appreciated the support we've received from the city of sausalito but the pandemic has impacted our enrollment
05:21:47.87	Cloris Henry	and the impact of being on this list and how we learned that being on this list has also impacted our enrollment. On June 10th, a member of our community alerted us to the fact
05:21:59.73	Kelman	Ms. Henry, I'm so sorry, just to be fair to everybody, your two minutes are up, but would you welcome written comment if you wanna provide additional commentary based on your comments today.
05:22:13.77	Unknown	Our next speaker.
05:22:16.38	Unknown	It's Ryan Hoverman. Ryan, you've been unmuted.
05:22:23.02	SPEAKER_38	Hello. So I'll follow up on Cloris. My name is Ryan Hoverman, and I'm the chair of the real estate committee for Lice Francais.
05:22:29.08	SPEAKER_38	It's great to speak to this group again. I've met several of the council members last year when we were talking about an issue. So it's awesome to speak to you. Although I had no idea I'd get to speak with you at midnight, which is pretty cool.
05:22:39.59	SPEAKER_38	As Clara stated, the inclusion of the school site on the arena housing list has caused us a lot of operation strategic issues.
05:22:45.87	SPEAKER_38	I know site 84 is a large 17 acre site, but our school is specifically listed and it's really freaking out.
05:22:51.99	SPEAKER_38	A lot of our parents.
05:22:53.88	SPEAKER_38	So our school recently launched a large Marine focused marketing campaign that's going really well to get interest. But then we have a lot of parents approaching us saying, hey, are you closing? What's going on with your school? It's just causing us a lot of troubles.
05:23:05.58	SPEAKER_38	So it kind of raises some concerns with our lease itself. So we got about a year to go on our current term is several of you that probably researched this look at. And we also have two additional five year extensions coming up.
05:23:15.90	SPEAKER_38	And we're trying to work with Michael Wagner to get some renewal conversations around that because we're really like the site. It's a really beautiful site.
05:23:22.64	SPEAKER_38	So while the HEOC document notes that our lease is under review,
05:23:25.74	SPEAKER_38	We don't.
05:23:26.31	SPEAKER_38	know of any effort to modify the lease or renegotiate the terms at this point.
05:23:30.18	SPEAKER_38	And the placing of the site on the list is really causing a lot of confusion in our community and it's causing some detrimental impact. Like we have some parents like, I don't know if I want to enroll my kid here.
05:23:39.65	SPEAKER_38	because you guys may not be around in two or three years from now. So it's causing us a lot of trouble.
05:23:43.83	SPEAKER_38	So overall, as representing our Board of Governments and trustees, we want to continue operating in school on the market.
05:23:49.45	SPEAKER_38	but we're finding this process really difficult to engage with. So we've sent letters to HIAC and things, but we're not really hearing back.
05:23:55.34	SPEAKER_38	We'd really just like to be part of this process more.
05:23:58.02	SPEAKER_38	And even if we physically have our site removed from the list,
05:24:01.63	SPEAKER_38	have concerns in our community about what's going to go around. So we just like to know where the placement is going to be within it, even if our site isn't untouched.
05:24:09.58	SPEAKER_38	So we ask that you explicitly do help us remove our buildings from the list.
05:24:14.32	SPEAKER_38	If you want to use the rest of 84, that's your decision. But we'd really like to have our name taken off the list
05:24:19.13	SPEAKER_38	And just include our school administration, myself as a board member, and then Klaus Henry, who you heard from,
05:24:23.52	SPEAKER_38	Also as a leader in our schools, the COO.
05:24:25.83	SPEAKER_38	We really want to partner with the city in its future. We can be a valuable part to help markets oscillators as a vibrant and diverse family-friendly city.
05:24:33.02	SPEAKER_38	And if any of you would like a tour of the school, we'd be happy to show you anytime the space.
05:24:36.72	Kelman	Thank you, Ryan. Thanks for staying up with us. Appreciate it.
05:24:42.93	Unknown	Our next speaker,
05:24:44.24	Unknown	is
05:24:44.97	Unknown	Thank you.
05:24:45.29	Unknown	Pat, Pat, you've been unmuted.
05:24:47.33	Unknown	you
05:24:55.16	Unknown	I believe I got Arthur Bruce instead. We'll come back to Pat. Go ahead, Bruce.
05:25:03.53	Unknown	You need to unmute on your end.
05:25:05.76	SPEAKER_35	Thank you.
05:25:07.82	Unknown	Thank you.
05:25:07.85	SPEAKER_35	Madam Mayor, Vice Mayor,
05:25:09.86	SPEAKER_35	Council members.
05:25:11.65	SPEAKER_35	I'm not sure.
05:25:14.52	SPEAKER_35	It's so great the way everyone's minds can come together
05:25:20.19	SPEAKER_35	are democratic.
05:25:22.65	SPEAKER_35	structure.
05:25:24.31	SPEAKER_35	It's just great that there's still just a little glimmer of hope.
05:25:28.57	SPEAKER_35	Um,
05:25:29.33	SPEAKER_35	but it's real disappointing when
05:25:31.34	SPEAKER_35	I'm not sure.
05:25:34.06	SPEAKER_35	I hear council members discussing
05:25:37.30	SPEAKER_35	not moving or creating housing
05:25:41.57	SPEAKER_35	in a certain area.
05:25:42.95	SPEAKER_35	Um,
05:25:43.86	SPEAKER_35	in Marinship.
05:25:45.20	SPEAKER_35	because of hazardous and toxicity.
05:25:48.81	SPEAKER_35	issues.
05:25:50.04	SPEAKER_35	And
05:25:51.19	SPEAKER_35	Yet just recently,
05:25:53.36	SPEAKER_35	The city has
05:25:55.17	SPEAKER_35	moved an entire
05:25:57.09	SPEAKER_35	group of people to the area. Mr. Bruce.
05:25:58.43	Kelman	Mr. Bruce, do you have specific comments as to this group of buildings
05:26:04.94	SPEAKER_35	I do, I do.
05:26:06.22	Kelman	Can you please write us with those?
05:26:08.99	SPEAKER_35	Yeah, I just think that they just
05:26:11.91	SPEAKER_35	The hypocrisy is just absolutely astounding.
05:26:15.98	SPEAKER_35	And
05:26:16.67	SPEAKER_35	Well,
05:26:17.39	SPEAKER_35	why it applies to one group of people and not another,
05:26:20.87	SPEAKER_35	Um,
05:26:21.97	SPEAKER_35	I mean, it just,
05:26:25.43	SPEAKER_35	That's it. I want the meeting to continue on. It's 12.31. I think we're setting record time here.
05:26:31.96	SPEAKER_35	I think it's a good thing.
05:26:34.17	Kelman	Thanks very much, Mr. Bruce. Appreciate it.
05:26:40.56	Unknown	Our next speaker is Pat Zook. Pat, you're being unmuted and asked to share your video.
05:26:48.26	Pat	Are you there?
05:26:49.13	Pat	Yes.
05:26:50.60	Pat	And why here?
05:26:51.50	Pat	Yes.
05:26:52.29	Pat	Do I look like Bruce?
05:26:54.57	Pat	I can see you, but no, you don't. You're not. You had me scared for a minute. In any case, in examining the Martin Luther King site,
05:27:04.69	Pat	Um,
05:27:05.74	Pat	I hope you pull it off for
05:27:08.81	Pat	more intense discussion than looking at the whole site.
05:27:13.91	Pat	Clearly there is an 11 year lease. It is important to the city to pay down the obligations that the city engaged in to update its other parks.
05:27:23.61	Pat	um
05:27:24.81	Pat	So I do not, and there's the dog park.
05:27:28.39	Pat	And there's the 1128 initiative. So I would suggest that you pull it off
05:27:36.30	Pat	and tease it apart if you plan to keep any part of that.
05:27:41.63	Pat	on the platter.
05:27:45.45	Pat	And I hope you don't.
05:27:47.46	Pat	In any case.
05:27:49.87	Pat	Thank you.
05:27:53.77	Unknown	Next speaker.
05:27:56.33	Unknown	It's a phone number with the last four digits, 1870. You're being unmuted.
05:28:12.67	Unknown	Hi, can you hear me?
05:28:13.88	Unknown	Thank you.
05:28:13.93	SPEAKER_24	Yes.
05:28:16.23	Unknown	Hi, my name's Lydia and I just had a
05:28:18.66	Unknown	some broad comments on this area?
05:28:21.64	Unknown	Um,
05:28:24.44	Unknown	You guys are doing a great job, by the way. This is so hard.
05:28:27.52	Unknown	And I know you're all really, really tired.
05:28:30.06	Unknown	But I'm concerned about some of the thinking around MLK
05:28:34.13	Unknown	not because I oppose using this area for creative
05:28:36.76	Unknown	Yeah.
05:28:37.66	Unknown	you know, methods to get affordable housing here,
05:28:41.56	Unknown	because of like so many of the other issues that have been talked about with City Hall,
05:28:45.81	Unknown	the Marin ships,
05:28:47.18	Unknown	Thank you.
05:28:47.19	Unknown	Thank you.
05:28:47.38	Unknown	Radio Drive.
05:28:48.98	Unknown	You know, it's just all the thought about the impact to the whole community, the infrastructure, the traffic, the noise.
05:28:56.19	Unknown	You know, we have a really high, fun quality of life here that's here precisely because of
05:28:56.22	Unknown	you know,
05:28:56.53	Unknown	Hey, hey.
05:29:01.69	Unknown	MLK, the dog park, and the school. Those school kids give this area a ton of fun energy that's just great.
05:29:09.52	Unknown	And so
05:29:10.90	Unknown	In addition to all the environmental concerns, like flooding and sea level rise and such that you already are going to be accounting for, I really appreciate Ian's comments
05:29:21.26	Unknown	at the very beginning about other decision-making factors and I appreciated some other comments that were made about other areas.
05:29:28.18	Unknown	about the fact that it's not just looking at a space
05:29:31.03	Unknown	It's looking at all the other impacts to the community as well as
05:29:36.47	Unknown	you know, just the general quality of life.
05:29:39.39	Unknown	impact on traffic.
05:29:41.53	Unknown	I hope that there can be a balance struck to make use of this space, but to not be too disruptive to the community that's here with the park and with the dog park and with the school.
05:29:52.30	Unknown	And I love the way that you're thinking about the master plan. I wish that's where we could start. I wish the state mandate
05:29:59.32	Unknown	didn't have to put us in this situation, but here we are and I hope you'll find
05:30:03.42	Unknown	a nice balance.
05:30:04.46	Unknown	to meet all the needs, but I also hope that there is a way that you can maybe push back again later on after you've landed at a place
05:30:12.24	Unknown	that shows where some of the real contentious areas are still showing up.
05:30:16.58	Unknown	Thanks very much.
05:30:16.66	Kelman	Thanks very much.
05:30:18.01	Unknown	Thank you.
05:30:18.03	Kelman	Thank you.
05:30:18.05	Unknown	Yeah.
05:30:18.28	Kelman	Thank you.
05:30:18.33	Unknown	So we appreciate
05:30:18.98	Kelman	comments.
05:30:20.29	Kelman	Okay.
05:30:22.86	Unknown	Our next speaker is Joan Cox. Joan, you've been unmuted.
05:30:27.14	Kelman	you
05:30:27.33	SPEAKER_08	Thank you.
05:30:31.08	SPEAKER_08	Welcome, John.
05:30:33.39	SPEAKER_08	Thank you.
05:30:34.60	SPEAKER_08	Thank you. And thank you all for persisting through the late hour. I know this is an arduous process for sure.
05:30:41.91	SPEAKER_08	I just wanted to comment on the MLK site. I don't know if any of you have had an opportunity to look at the Sensible Housing Sausalito site that was put together by
05:30:52.08	SPEAKER_08	A GROUP OF
05:30:53.69	SPEAKER_08	concerned citizens.
05:30:55.33	SPEAKER_08	But it actually has some renderings of what housing in the MLK site could look like and
05:31:02.83	SPEAKER_08	I did hear Beth say that only a portion of the site is being considered for housing.
05:31:09.57	SPEAKER_08	and Sensible Housing Sausalito did the same thing.
05:31:13.69	SPEAKER_08	the field, they retained the school, they retained
05:31:16.99	SPEAKER_08	the existing uses
05:31:20.17	SPEAKER_08	at MLK and they, I think,
05:31:23.91	SPEAKER_08	I JUST CAME UP WITH SOME
05:31:26.17	SPEAKER_08	renderings that show
05:31:29.29	SPEAKER_08	A.
05:31:30.22	SPEAKER_08	an integrated way to include housing without destroying the aesthetic, the overall aesthetic
05:31:35.91	SPEAKER_08	and use.
05:31:36.79	SPEAKER_08	of the site.
05:31:38.20	SPEAKER_08	Just wanted to point that out as
05:31:40.45	SPEAKER_08	something
05:31:41.58	SPEAKER_08	that someone could look at as they are considering
05:31:44.35	SPEAKER_08	HIGH SCHOOL.
05:31:46.17	SPEAKER_08	happen to live right above the site, so I'm one of those most
05:31:49.44	SPEAKER_08	potentially adversely impacted by it.
05:31:52.68	SPEAKER_08	But I've thrown my support behind
05:31:55.18	SPEAKER_08	this vision for the site because I do see it as a way to create
05:31:59.08	SPEAKER_08	AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCKS.
05:32:00.87	SPEAKER_08	by leveraging a city owned
05:32:03.16	SPEAKER_08	property.
05:32:03.99	SPEAKER_08	Thank you.
05:32:05.59	Kelman	Thank you.
05:32:05.61	SPEAKER_08	Thank you, John.
05:32:06.05	Kelman	Thank you.
05:32:07.15	Unknown	And a mayor.
05:32:07.23	Kelman	I mean, I'm going to have a comment search.
05:32:09.22	Unknown	I see no other hands raised Madam Mayor.
05:32:11.50	Kelman	Okay, we'll close public comment. May I just a clarification, Beth? So at HIAC, we talked about making sure that the maps and the articulation specifically excluded the field
05:32:21.86	Kelman	and the dog park.
05:32:24.27	Kelman	And I don't know that we had conveyed to you about the schools, but can you opine at least on the field and the dog park piece of that?
05:32:33.33	Beth	Yes. And so, yeah, when we do the more detailed mapping, we will be leaving out the field, the dog park. There was also mention of the pickleball use that was treasured on the site. And so we can also, there was not a specific instruction to leave out the schools. We can leave out the schools. The site will get smaller if we leave out both of the school uses. So we would definitely help narrow down our efforts quite a bit.
05:32:57.89	Kelman	So,
05:33:02.98	Beth	AND I THINK IT'S A
05:33:03.02	Cleveland	And I have
05:33:04.18	Cleveland	I THOUGHT AT THE HEAC WE
05:33:08.28	Cleveland	Retaining the public uses.
05:33:10.90	Cleveland	but not...
05:33:11.94	Cleveland	Thank you.
05:33:12.06	Cleveland	I mean, we definitely carved out the park because that's where we spent
05:33:16.40	Cleveland	a lot of money
05:33:16.72	Unknown	All right.
05:33:19.20	Cleveland	PUBLIC LIFE.
05:33:21.63	Cleveland	but the,
05:33:22.74	Cleveland	The dog park, the pickleball,
05:33:25.72	Cleveland	Well, pickleball is part of the park. But anyway, I think we said
05:33:29.46	Cleveland	We wanna retain the school uses, the dog park, et cetera, but we're not gonna plan right at this moment about how those uses might move around
05:33:29.68	Unknown	it.
05:33:40.65	Cleveland	like a puzzle, might move around on the site, but we want to signal to the public that we wanna retain
05:33:47.15	Cleveland	And seeing like, so the schools, you know, might be on the ground floor of a
05:33:47.21	Unknown	YES.
05:33:47.67	Unknown	Thank you.
05:33:47.69	Unknown	Thank you.
05:33:53.07	Cleveland	building that might have some house in that top where they might be
05:33:56.68	Cleveland	slightly over to one side as opposed to where they are now.
05:34:01.07	Cleveland	they won't leave. I mean I think that's as far as we got at the HIAC and Mayor Kellman maybe
05:34:08.02	Cleveland	you have more to add on this, but I think we didn't think at least at the HIAC that we should be engaged right at that moment after also a very long meeting
05:34:17.81	Cleveland	in determining right this minute exactly where the uses would go. But we were signaling we're not going to move
05:34:25.37	Cleveland	you
05:34:26.11	Cleveland	change the park.
05:34:27.22	Cleveland	Thank you.
05:34:27.29	Unknown	Thank you.
05:34:27.39	Cleveland	and
05:34:28.54	Cleveland	We want to retain the public serving uses, including the private schools, but we're not opining right now about where those all would go. So I think that's as far as we got. That's my memory anyway.
05:34:42.06	Cleveland	And I kind of, that's the signal I would sort of,
05:34:45.08	Cleveland	I was comfortable with that signal.
05:34:48.05	Cleveland	And I feel like we need to do a little more
05:34:50.83	Cleveland	digging
05:34:52.74	Cleveland	to get further, but
05:34:55.37	Cleveland	Anyway, that was my memory of how we left it.
05:34:58.75	Kelman	Yep, I support that recollection entirely and I would further
05:35:03.88	Kelman	um,
05:35:04.64	Kelman	agree suggests that
05:35:06.68	Kelman	any further communications things in writing capture that so that we don't
05:35:12.26	Kelman	have the community unsure of
05:35:15.17	Kelman	what the policy is on that.
05:35:17.39	Kelman	Thank you for that.
05:35:17.41	Sobieski	So thank you.
05:35:18.71	Sobieski	Can we have a consultant or someone to reach out to the woman from Licee-Francaise who
05:35:18.76	Kelman	So great.
05:35:24.35	Sobieski	Clearly had more to say than her two minutes allowed her.
05:35:27.76	Sobieski	just to ensure the dialogue is there.
05:35:31.40	Sobieski	since
05:35:32.92	Sobieski	they have an ongoing business that's being affected by
05:35:36.43	Sobieski	not having clear communication to
05:35:39.11	Sobieski	to us.
05:35:41.68	Beth	Thank you.
05:35:41.69	Kelman	Sure, that's a great idea. Beth, does that make sense to you?
05:35:43.99	Beth	I'm happy to do that.
05:35:47.23	Kelman	So any other comments about any changes, any other commentary regarding
05:35:54.40	Kelman	this group.
05:35:57.29	Kelman	Yes, Councilman Hoffman.
05:36:02.28	Huffman	I have a question about the corporation yard at the corner of Bridgeway and Nevada about why that wasn't included as an opportunity site.
05:36:10.19	Huffman	Is it 75? It is. It's 75.
05:36:10.69	Cleveland	IS IT?
05:36:14.41	Huffman	this right here. I thought the corporation. Okay, I'm sorry.
05:36:15.12	Beth	right here.
05:36:18.56	Huffman	Is this, what are the trees here at the corner of Bridgeway and
05:36:22.45	Huffman	Nevada.
05:36:22.56	Cleveland	That's the site that Peter Van Meter has been talking about.
05:36:26.70	Cleveland	I think we asked staff to further investigate. It's...
05:36:30.65	Kelman	I did restriction on it.
05:36:30.68	Cleveland	That's good.
05:36:32.30	Cleveland	and surgeries like that.
05:36:32.32	Kelman	and certainly.
05:36:34.65	Cleveland	Still part of Whiskey Springs.
05:36:37.08	Beth	It's the common area. I think Heidi and Sergio looked into it, it's the common area for the Whiskey Springs condominium subdivision.
05:36:46.97	Beth	And so.
05:36:47.27	Cleveland	So it was deeded to the city and the city has maintenance responsibility.
05:36:52.20	Cleveland	But we were wondering if there was like a deed restriction that had to be open space.
05:36:56.97	Cleveland	Anyway, I don't remember ever getting a report back on whether how
05:37:02.32	Cleveland	SPECIFIC.
05:37:03.27	Cleveland	THE RESTRICTIONS WERE. BUT IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT OTHER PUSS OF PROPERTY THAT WE
05:37:09.21	Cleveland	I think 68 or something that we deferred
05:37:12.60	Cleveland	consideration of because we thought the legal issues would take too long
05:37:16.97	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
05:37:17.92	Cleveland	to figure out for the cycle.
05:37:19.37	Kelman	Thank you.
05:37:19.84	Cleveland	Thank you.
05:37:19.97	Kelman	Is that right?
05:37:21.47	Kelman	Yeah, that's right. And I think I saw Susan an email come by from Sergio
05:37:25.66	Kelman	to us on this, but I don't recollect exactly what it said, but we did not think that it would hit the cycle due to legal issues, as you said.
05:37:25.86	SPEAKER_26	us.
05:37:35.13	Cleveland	Okay.
05:37:35.35	Kelman	THANK YOU.
05:37:36.28	Kelman	Yeah.
05:37:36.71	Kelman	Thank you.
05:37:36.73	Cleveland	Amen.
05:37:36.87	Kelman	Yeah.
05:37:37.54	Cleveland	Maybe that could all that correspondence could go to everyone.
05:37:40.34	Kelman	Thank you.
05:37:41.44	Kelman	Yeah.
05:37:42.67	Kelman	I'll see if I can find it as well and ask for it tomorrow.
05:37:45.20	Kelman	or today, later today.
05:37:47.04	Kelman	Mm-hmm.
05:37:48.41	Kelman	Okay, any other comments, questions, concerns about this?
05:37:54.99	Kelman	OK.
05:37:55.72	Kelman	So I'm not hearing any, I don't see any hands and see you all, but okay. Then the direction is to keep these.
05:38:02.53	Kelman	ON WITH THE EXPLANATION AND
05:38:05.30	Kelman	articulation, Beth, if we can capture that in future
05:38:08.59	Kelman	dialogue that would be helpful.
05:38:10.99	Kelman	Okay, we will keep that.
05:38:13.70	Kelman	Okay. Well, okay. So,
05:38:15.07	Kelman	I think that's it.
05:38:16.62	Beth	That is it. And I do want to note for the group. So when we embark upon the environmental impact report, there's two different approaches to calculating units. HCD is conservative. They want us to reduce the units for the purposes of CEQA. We usually will do it at the upper end of what the site can accommodate. So we won't use the same deductions that we use for the HCD purposes. So you're going to see two sets of units. So I just wanted you to understand that and be forewarned that that's just due to the nature of CEQA versus the HCD.
05:38:48.53	Beth	Okay.
05:38:48.96	Kelman	And Beth, I want to circle back Council Member Sobieski's point about SB9 and benefits or opportunity to up zone.
05:38:54.73	Kelman	If you,
05:38:56.50	Kelman	Could you at least start by providing us with the communication as the efforts that you have already undertaken
05:39:02.67	Kelman	to make those communications. I suspect that the council will have feedback on other things that could transpire to make sure that our community
05:39:10.66	Kelman	truly is in the loop on that.
05:39:12.82	Kelman	And then another thing that came up that I would be
05:39:16.02	Kelman	interested in having conversation is is some advice and counsel on what a buffer uh sounds like looks like
05:39:22.22	Kelman	where you've seen it be effective. I don't think we're in a position tonight to try to define that,
05:39:28.19	Kelman	but I would be interested to hear a conversation about that in the future.
05:39:32.71	Kelman	Absolutely.
05:39:34.96	Kelman	Okay.
05:39:35.56	Kelman	Any last minute conversations or stuff? Forewarning we're not going to hit the next agenda. I don't think you're worried. But I was so ready to go on the budget. Come on guys. But I do have instructions about having to adjourn with the notice as to a Friday meeting.
05:39:44.09	SPEAKER_03	What? Come on, guys.
05:39:45.52	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
05:39:51.14	Kelman	I just want to give people an opportunity to close this matter out if there's more to say.
05:39:51.22	Sobieski	I just want to give you a second.
05:39:55.16	Sobieski	Yeah, I actually, I mean,
05:39:57.18	Sobieski	That was really the time.
05:39:59.09	Sobieski	to commit ourselves to something.
05:40:02.70	Sobieski	I guess so April 29th, the planning commission sent us a
05:40:08.27	Sobieski	formal letter.
05:40:10.06	Sobieski	requesting that in our 2022-2023 fiscal year budget, we do a couple of things. The first thing is a citywide map.
05:40:16.55	Sobieski	plan that's their request
05:40:18.93	Sobieski	I talked about this last year when, like I said, I voted against doing this consulting path,
05:40:24.15	Sobieski	Because we're trying to make the best of a situation that could be a lot better.
05:40:28.55	Sobieski	We're in here tonight. We're trying to make the best of a situation that could be a lot better.
05:40:32.96	Sobieski	that very unsatisfying conversation about the Marineship is a consequence
05:40:37.83	Sobieski	of the path that we're on
05:40:39.72	Sobieski	instead of
05:40:40.92	Sobieski	actually doing a master planning exercise
05:40:43.84	Sobieski	where we can try to achieve multiple community goals, of which RHNA is just one.
05:40:50.27	Sobieski	We are stuck in a process where RHNA rules.
05:40:53.19	Sobieski	And all we're doing is trying to meet that goal with
05:40:55.92	Sobieski	a few random constraints thrown in.
05:40:58.34	Sobieski	uh,
05:41:00.95	Sobieski	we're going to do this again.
05:41:02.96	Sobieski	in the next arena cycle.
05:41:04.53	Sobieski	And it's another million dollar consultant.
05:41:06.62	Sobieski	And we're going to do it again in another, next one. And it's another million dollar consultant.
05:41:10.62	Sobieski	We should start today.
05:41:12.98	Sobieski	on a master planning process.
05:41:15.85	Sobieski	that will create
05:41:17.05	Sobieski	that will give us clarity, give everyone clarity about where housing is going to go,
05:41:21.56	Sobieski	what it's going to be constrained by, what constraints are on it,
05:41:26.26	Sobieski	Um,
05:41:27.50	Sobieski	and what societal purposes it serves in our community.
05:41:32.02	Sobieski	And you don't get that for free. It does definitely cost money.
05:41:35.81	Sobieski	um,
05:41:37.01	Sobieski	So I would like to propose, there's a great,
05:41:40.08	Sobieski	I'd like to throw a couple of them. There's a great, I would love the Sensible Sausalito
05:41:45.94	Sobieski	plan that you referred to mayor as um
05:41:48.47	Sobieski	a great, you know, quasi master plan. I'd love that to be considered by HIAC formally, all the sites in that site.
05:41:55.34	Sobieski	I don't know if they were or not, but if any warrant, they should be formally considered.
05:41:59.49	Sobieski	you know, with this idea, not just of the sites,
05:42:03.02	Sobieski	informed by the
05:42:04.97	Sobieski	by the context of that plan. There is another plan, community venture partners.
05:42:09.65	Sobieski	Dude.
05:42:10.39	Sobieski	the Marinship Fair Share Plan
05:42:13.04	Sobieski	for the Marin Tia. That's doing a innovation zone
05:42:16.84	Sobieski	a working waterfront district and a mixed use district north of
05:42:21.44	Sobieski	Molly Stones in the post office.
05:42:24.92	Sobieski	um,
05:42:26.24	Sobieski	Community Venture Partners is willing to talk to anyone who will go talk to them. I encourage every one of my colleagues to go talk to Community Venture Partners and ask them to show, to look at the Marinship Fair Share Plan. It is an example of what a master plan looks like that actually doesn't, it only achieves like 200 units. So it's not even all about the units. The main goal is that it actually saves the Marinship.
05:42:48.92	Sobieski	And I didn't even know that thing existed until two weeks ago. And it is a seminal document that really deserves everyone's attention. And I would like to look at that as well, in addition to sensible Sausalito sites. That's a start that's free.
05:43:04.24	Sobieski	at least beginning to attend to the master plan. And I would love to have it agendized, or I'd love to make a motion
05:43:13.96	Sobieski	to in addition to that, actually issue an RFP. We don't know what it'll cost. I mean, it can be wide open. We'll see what the proposals are.
05:43:24.19	Sobieski	but actually to get a
05:43:26.38	Sobieski	Um,
05:43:27.34	Sobieski	some solicitations for doing master planning in Sausalito.
05:43:30.97	Sobieski	at
05:43:31.65	Sobieski	such an RFP, the first response would be a conceptual master plan that would be sort of free at a high level with the qualifications of the firm and a proposal for what it would cost to actually do this.
05:43:41.96	Sobieski	for us on an ongoing basis.
05:43:44.98	Sobieski	It's fine.
05:43:45.03	Kelman	It's fine.
05:43:45.63	Unknown	Thank you.
05:43:46.48	Kelman	I'm sorry.
05:43:47.44	Kelman	Do you want to recommend doing it for a dollar to see who might respond?
05:43:51.85	Sobieski	Put a dollar on it. And we'll see. And if they can't do it for a dollar, they'll tell us what it is. You can have a dollar on the cover.
05:43:52.05	Kelman	All around.
05:43:57.94	Sobieski	Um,
05:43:59.13	Sobieski	And
05:44:00.76	Sobieski	The goal here is not to upend the HIAC process. That process is gonna be marching along on its own timeline. But if we start today, it can help inform that process.
05:44:11.23	Sobieski	And it could be the living way in which we do our
05:44:15.03	Sobieski	planning going forward instead of this current process that we do every eight years. So those are my recommendations and does anyone object to having HIAC and look at sensible Sausalito sites and the community venture partners?
05:44:31.75	Sobieski	Um,
05:44:32.95	Sobieski	plan and does anyone object to to at least put just an rfp out there to see what we get and for doing
05:44:39.67	Sobieski	some master planning.
05:44:40.95	Sobieski	for our town.
05:44:42.32	Kelman	not only do I not object, but I fully in support of
05:44:45.47	Kelman	all three of those statements.
05:44:47.55	Kelman	AND I THINK THAT'S A
05:44:48.29	Kelman	Kills member Hoffman and then
05:44:50.37	Kelman	Susan Clifford-Nolson and then Leicemeyer.
05:44:52.75	Kelman	Thank you.
05:44:52.78	Huffman	Yes, I mean, agree. I'm in favor of all three of those. And also a question to our current consultant about what master plan is included in whatever the retention is. So you don't have to tell me right now, Beth, but just...
05:45:11.63	Huffman	At some point, probably that same meeting
05:45:15.16	Huffman	what HEAC that are going to look at the venture cap, community venture partner plan and the sensible Sausalito plan and how that
05:45:21.84	Huffman	how those sites and how that might inform us as we move forward with our housing element and also the RFP for conceptual master plan. I completely agree with that.
05:45:31.95	Huffman	Thank you.
05:45:33.48	Huffman	Councilmember Clevenals.
05:45:36.40	Cleveland	Yeah.
05:45:37.21	Cleveland	I'm in favor, but I just don't think it's free. I mean, we just...
05:45:41.23	Cleveland	had on consent a
05:45:44.45	Cleveland	about the fact that we don't have
05:45:47.17	Cleveland	PLANNING STAFF.
05:45:48.53	Cleveland	So in order to get an item in front of the EAC,
05:45:53.06	Cleveland	that takes staff time. I mean, it takes staff time to review the community ventures report, to do all this work, to like work it up. So I, you know, it's,
05:46:02.64	Cleveland	I think do we just have to be cognizant that
05:46:05.46	Cleveland	it's not free and we have, we,
05:46:08.63	Cleveland	We are trying to get our,
05:46:10.76	Cleveland	just staff to actually staff the
05:46:13.95	Cleveland	work plan in front of the HIAC as it stands. And then I'm interested, you know, maybe not right at this moment, because it's late,
05:46:21.51	Cleveland	to understand from Beth,
05:46:23.21	Cleveland	whether she has budget in her scope of work
05:46:25.91	Cleveland	to handle PIAC meetings on this subject. I'm completely in favor of it, but I do
05:46:31.18	Cleveland	Okay.
05:46:31.89	Cleveland	The first step is to figure out
05:46:34.94	Cleveland	what getting it in front it does it make sense to go to the HIAQ or does it make sense to come back to the city council first
05:46:41.88	Cleveland	you know,
05:46:42.52	Cleveland	And
05:46:43.28	Cleveland	WHAT KIND OF STAFF BUDGET DO WE NEED TO EVEN?
05:46:46.43	Cleveland	I mean, we've been talking so much about like,
05:46:49.54	Cleveland	just keeping our eyes on the prize for a certain work product and getting to the finish point. So I love the concepts. I definitely feel like we could use that tool
05:47:00.83	Cleveland	but I am cognizant of not wanting
05:47:03.78	Cleveland	to have too many
05:47:06.38	Cleveland	too many different work paths for staff.
05:47:10.50	Cleveland	So if we can accommodate all that, I'm 100% for it, but maybe we could just
05:47:15.21	Cleveland	Tonight give direction to the city manager, community development director and Beth to meet
05:47:21.57	Cleveland	and
05:47:22.70	Cleveland	figure out what they can do within a small budget and come back to us maybe on a consent item.
05:47:27.96	Cleveland	for us to bless moving forward or something like that. Maybe the city manager can weigh in, but I just don't wanna overload.
05:47:32.25	Beth	my end.
05:47:34.81	Cleveland	an already very burdened process.
05:47:37.56	Cleveland	Yeah.
05:47:38.83	Cleveland	SO THAT'S MY ELECTRICAL COMMENTS.
05:47:40.67	Cleveland	Could I just check?
05:47:40.72	Beth	Can I just chime in briefly?
05:47:42.47	Beth	Oh, yeah.
05:47:43.28	Beth	So we will.
05:47:45.94	Beth	We're definitely wanting to keep the housing element on track because you have, you know, the to the public review period and the. HCD review period, but during the HCD review period, we do have 90 days that will be preparing environmental documents will be doing a lot of other stuff and we could coordinate to bring some items to the he act during that time that address this kind of broader master planning for housing.
05:48:09.36	Beth	And I think that timing could work and I'd be happy to coordinate on some approaches to getting this to the HIAC and keeping you
05:48:17.73	Beth	within the total budget we have and not not needing a lot of additional work
05:48:23.92	Beth	Thank you.
05:48:23.94	Kelman	Thanks Beth. Maybe council member of Clivenosa and I will circle back with you on that and do our liaising job.
05:48:31.11	Kelman	Okay, Vice Mayor, wanna close this out?
05:48:34.40	Blausdean	Sure.
05:48:34.92	Blausdean	and i would be absolutely supportive of councilmember sobieski's request and i i just want to say i i thought this was a really
05:48:42.20	Blausdean	good conversation a really hard conversation but i felt everyone was very respectful of each other and i really appreciated how much we all tried to weigh in and listen and um be effective in a really hard conversation because
05:48:53.91	Blausdean	housing is the biggest challenge that we face and I also think it's one of the most important topics that we will
05:48:59.56	Blausdean	ever consider as it relates to not only the future makeup of development in our community but also what type of community we want to build how we can be a welcoming community how we can be more socioeconomic socioeconomically diverse how we can have more of our teachers and workers living in Sausalito and I'm really hopeful that as the process goes on we can come up with
05:49:18.06	Blausdean	a master plan approach that will allow for that and that we'll consider that and that we can hopefully get to
05:49:24.03	Blausdean	majority consensus on. I would really like to see that and I really
05:49:28.67	Blausdean	appreciated how much time everyone put in tonight so I just wanted to say that.
05:49:34.14	Kelman	I'll echo that. Thank you, everybody. That was a...
05:49:36.69	Kelman	It's a really great conversation.
05:49:38.34	Kelman	We knew it was coming, so I think it's always taking us to a better spot.
05:49:42.05	Kelman	Okay, so Ian, you have full support of the concepts. It sounds like
05:49:48.83	Kelman	The city manager is going to meet with
05:49:51.43	Kelman	Beth and the interim planning director, Susan and I will liaise to make sure the information gets conveyed back to us.
05:49:58.18	Sobieski	Okay, I'll...
05:49:59.84	Sobieski	but looking at the sensible Sausalito's and the community venture partners plan
05:50:04.82	Sobieski	That is basically free, I think. Or at least a consultant can meet with them and see.
05:50:09.73	Sobieski	I think Beth could look at it at least under her budget.
05:50:12.97	Kelman	frankly, I don't think we even need a staff report. I mean, those are obviously prepared by people who know what they're talking about. So I invite them to come and give us a 10 minute presentation. I don't need a staff report to summarize a thing that I can just hear from.
05:50:25.27	Kelman	Let's Susan and I liaise with Beth and figure out where that fits on the schedule,
05:50:30.89	Kelman	That would be my perspective.
05:50:32.03	Kelman	Vice President, did your hand go back up?
05:50:34.69	Kelman	NO.
05:50:35.04	Blausdean	IT'S JUST LATER.
05:50:35.76	Kelman	Right.
05:50:35.88	Blausdean	Thank you.
05:50:35.97	Kelman	and it has a
05:50:36.42	Blausdean	on down.
05:50:36.95	Kelman	Thank you.
05:50:37.15	Kelman	Okay, all right. So thank you everybody. So we did have a budget item tonight. We're not going to get to it. It looks like we're all available at 10 a.m. on Friday.
05:50:48.42	Kelman	And so I've been instructed that I have to adjourn our meeting
05:50:52.35	Kelman	this evening and I'm foregoing the remaining parts of the agenda, if that's possible, that we could pick those up on Friday? Or do you want me to run through Mary the rest of the agenda?
05:51:02.44	Mary Wagner	The only item I think that you need to do, Madam Mayor, is public comment on items not on the agenda. Okay.
05:51:11.72	Mary Wagner	Thank you.
05:51:11.74	Kelman	then we will do that and then we will adjourn
05:51:14.85	Kelman	to a regular meeting on Friday 6, 17. Okay. So, uh,
05:51:17.92	Sobieski	Thank you.
05:51:18.91	Sobieski	um what time were we meeting on friday
05:51:21.12	Kelman	What time would you like to meet?
05:51:22.32	Sobieski	I checked, I can do 8 to 10, 30. And so it's...
05:51:26.64	Sobieski	I can do anything before that. How about 8.30 or 8?
05:51:31.17	Kelman	Can everybody do 8.30 or 8 Friday morning?
05:51:33.73	Kelman	That's fantastic.
05:51:35.00	Sobieski	Do we do anything?
05:51:36.65	Kelman	It sounds great.
05:51:37.98	Sobieski	It's fantastic.
05:51:38.20	Kelman	Sounds good.
05:51:38.91	Kelman	Wait.
05:51:39.49	Kelman	N.
05:51:40.14	Kelman	Thank you very much for that.
05:51:40.82	Sobieski	I'll be thinking about the items next time because I need everyone.
05:51:44.85	Kelman	Sure, absolutely. We'll even do it at the tail end on Friday.
05:51:48.82	Sobieski	Great.
05:51:49.00	Unknown	Thank you.
05:51:49.58	Kelman	Okay, thanks then.
05:51:50.74	Kelman	All right, we have one member of the public to provide a public comment items on the agenda.
05:51:56.24	Unknown	Arthur Bruce, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video.
05:52:02.77	SPEAKER_32	Everybody have a good night. We almost made it to 1 a.m. We were just a few minutes shy, but I won't go on. Everybody have a good night. Get some rest. Love you guys.
05:52:11.43	SPEAKER_32	Thank you, Mr. Bruce.
05:52:13.34	SPEAKER_32	That was nice.
05:52:13.67	Kelman	Nice.
05:52:13.89	Kelman	Yes.
05:52:14.33	Kelman	Well then everybody, we will adjourn to our special meeting on Friday at 8 a.m.
05:52:14.50	SPEAKER_32	Bye.
05:52:14.55	Unknown	Thank you.
05:52:14.58	SPEAKER_32	AND EVERYTHING.
05:52:19.26	Kelman	We will pick up the budget items in any city manager reports and future agenda items.
05:52:25.22	Kelman	Thanks, everybody.
05:52:26.36	Unknown	Amen.
05:52:28.46	Blausdean	That's a great wave Jill. That was like a great wave. Good night.

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