City Council Jul 16, 2024

City Council Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:25:34	II: RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION - 7:00 PM	The meeting reconvened from a closed session with no announcements. The meeting began with the Pledge of Allegiance, followed by an introduction to a special presentation from Brian Vitale, the community services manager, about the 4th of July.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:26:21	1.A: Fourth of July Recap by Bryan Vitale, Community Services Manager	Bryan Vitale, Community Services Manager, presented a recap of the 4th of July event in Sausalito. He thanked the various city departments, volunteers, and sponsors for their contributions to the event's success (00:26:52). The event included a parade with 3,000+ attendees and 34 floats (00:28:09), a picnic with 2,000+ attendees (00:28:39) featuring live music, food vendors, and activities like an egg toss and tug-of-war (00:29:14), and a fireworks show that drew 3,500+ people (00:29:54), accompanied by a live band and even a wedding proposal. The total estimated attendance for the day was 10,000 people (00:30:39). The total cost of the event was approximately $53,500, with a projected revenue of about $51,500 (00:30:39), including $22,827 in parking revenue. Councilmember Kelman thanked Bryan for his hard work (00:32:14). The Grand Marshal for the parade was Jim Gabbert (00:32:43).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:33:32	1.B: City and Community Emergency Readiness Update	Mike McKinley, the emergency service coordinator for the Sausalito Police Department, provided an update on the city's emergency readiness. The presentation covered the four phases of emergencies: mitigation, preparedness, response, and recovery, noting that the police department prioritizes response and recovery (00:35:13). He differentiated between emergencies and disasters, explaining SIMS (Standardized Emergency Management System) and Sausalito's adherence to it (00:36:24). Marin County's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) as the operational area for Sausalito was highlighted, including their role in coordinating emergency activities and developing guidelines (00:37:32). He also mentioned Alert Marin and the county emergency portal (00:38:21). Thomas Clark, president of the Marina Vista HOA, spoke about fire hazard mitigation, the HOA's efforts to fire-harden properties, and their work with Southern Marin Fire (00:47:51). He requested a letter of support from the city for their grant applications (01:00:48).	No Motion	1 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
01:06:39 Stephen Woodside was In Favor: Stephen Woodside, a resident, emphasized the importance of taking fire preparedness seriously and looking for mechanisms to harden forests and create defensible space. He shared his personal experience of losing a home in the 2017 Santa Rosa fire and stressed the need for attention to this issue.
01:08:09	2: ACTION MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING	The council reviewed the action minutes from the previous meeting. Councilmember Hollweg pointed out a correction needed for item 5C, noting that Councilmember Hoffman had recused herself but was incorrectly listed as seconding a motion. Hollweg clarified that she was the one who seconded the motion and the vote outcome. (01:08:15) Councilmember Kelman brought up concerns about the lack of detail regarding public comments in the minutes, referencing a letter from Babette McDougall about the meeting minutes not capturing the public comment. (01:09:18) McDougall clarified that the council uses action minutes, not summary minutes. (01:09:56) Hollweg mentioned that the minutes do list the members of the public who offered public comment on the Marinship Blue Economy Innovation District Initiative. (01:10:21)	Motion to approve the minutes as modified by Vice Mayor Cox, moved by Councilmember Blastings, seconded. Motion passed by roll call vote. (01:10:29)	3 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 3 Neutral
01:08:15 Karen Hollweg was Neutral: Points out a correction needed for item 5C in the minutes, regarding Councilmember Hoffman's recusal and the vote count. 01:09:13 Janelle Kelman was Neutral: Raises concerns about the lack of detail regarding public comments in the minutes, referencing a letter from Babette McDougall. 01:09:56 Babette McDougal was Neutral: Clarifies that the council uses action minutes, not summary minutes, as advised by IIMC and CCAC.
01:11:08	3: CONSENT CALENDAR	The consent calendar includes items 3A through 3I, covering a range of routine matters such as grant applications, police department reports, professional service agreements, parking prohibitions, encroachment agreements, and personnel appointments. Councilmember Kelman requested that future police department reports (item 3B) include additional information on response times, call for service data, and staffing levels (01:13:24).	Motion to approve the consent calendar (01:16:32). Seconded (01:16:34). Motion passes with Blastings, Hoffman, Cohen, and Cox voting yes.	2 Total: 1 In Favor 1 Against 0 Neutral
01:14:17 Unknown was In Favor: Spoke in favor of the reappointment of Planning Commissioner Andrew Junius (item 3H), highlighting his fairness, articulation, thoughtfulness, and expertise in real estate, emphasizing the value he brings to the Planning Commission. 01:15:26 Eitan Elio was Against: Opposed the reappointment of Planning Commissioner Andrew Junius (item 3H), alleging conflict of interest and abuse of power, stating that he filed an official complaint and requested it be considered before any decision is made.
01:16:47	5: BUSINESS ITEMS	The meeting is transitioning into the business items portion, with Babette McDougal and Maris Obieski mentioned.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
01:16:49	5.A: Receive and File Report Regarding Becoming a Charter City; Provide Direction to Staff Regarding Becoming a Charter City	This agenda item is to receive and file a report regarding the possibility of Sausalito becoming a charter city and to provide direction to staff on this matter. City Attorney Sergio provided a presentation, explaining that the council had previously expressed interest in exploring this option. He outlined the process for creating a city charter, which requires public input and significant work, and noted that it would not be possible to put a charter on the ballot in November 2024. He presented a few options for how the city could proceed, including forming a charter commission or an ad hoc group with the city attorney. He also stated that important considerations included whether to pursue a strong mayor or strong council form of government, and the powers of the city manager. Councilmember Kelman asked which Marine County cities are charter cities (San Rafael was the only one named). She also asked about recent case law regarding land use and housing policy in charter cities. Sergio explained some potential advantages of being a charter city, such as greater local control over municipal affairs, additional revenue sources, and more flexibility in planning matters and public works projects. However, he noted that courts are increasingly applying state housing laws to charter cities. Hollweg requested further comment from the city manager on the financial benefits of becoming a charter city. The City Manager noted that San Leandro and Anaheim are charter cities. He also mentioned the potential for increased revenue through property transfer taxes and savings through different bidding requirements. Hollweg asked for comments on the cost versus benefit analysis. The City Attorney estimated the cost of preparing a draft charter at $5,000 to $10,000, plus the cost of city council meetings and two public hearings. The cost of putting a measure on the ballot was estimated at under $30,000 (the City Clerk later clarified that it would likely be around $18,000 to $20,000). Councilmember Blastings confirmed that the timeline would not be feasible for the November 2024 election. Blastings inquired about how residents would be involved in drafting the charter. The City Attorney stated that the city council could draft the charter with two public hearings or form an elected charter commission. Blastings asked about the risks associated with establishing a charter city. The City Attorney stated that the main issues were the time and effort required, potential workload issues, and the expenses involved. He also noted that there could be some legal uncertainty regarding whether a matter falls within the city's charter authority or is a matter of statewide concern. Hollweg pointed out that charter cities that do not follow the public contract code may face limitations on state funding. She also emphasized that charter cities have more discretion and authority to manage their housing affairs.	The council agreed to form a working group consisting of Vice Mayor Cox and Councilmember Hoffman to further explore the issue of becoming a charter city. No formal motion was made.	6 Total: 2 In Favor 2 Against 2 Neutral
01:32:06 Ms. Merrill was Against: She does not understand why becoming a charter city is being considered. She thinks charter cities are for big cities and that Sausalito is too small to need such a change. She sees it as a power grab and is concerned about the potential for the city council to appoint people who do not live in the town. 01:34:11 Mr. Moore was Neutral: He is curious why there are so many more general law cities than charter cities, given that charter cities offer more flexibility. He wants to know why more cities don't choose to become charter cities. 01:34:53 Andrew Junius was Neutral: He appreciates Councilmember Kelman for raising the housing issue, as it is a key consideration. He believes the timing is interesting given the recent Redondo Beach case and the pending appeal by the attorney general. He acknowledges that the process may be complex and contentious and notes that many small towns don't become charter cities because it is complicated and they can rely on general law. 01:36:31 Stephen Woodside was In Favor: He states he is very familiar with charter counties and cities and that a charter city can give the city an advantage on issues it cares about. He gives an example of housing. He believes it's worth considering and that there are not many downsides. He thinks local government should decide things at the local level and that becoming a charter city could protect the city against overreach by the state government. 01:38:30 Sandra Bushmaker was Against: She questions why the city is considering this, asking if the general law city is broken. She wants a clear statement from the council on why they are doing this and a clear statement on the advantages and disadvantages. She foresees a culture change in the city council and government and questions the need for a strong mayor and a strong city manager. She is concerned that the council could decide the qualifications for city council members, potentially including non-residents. She wants a strong justification for moving forward, given the costs and the city's budget deficit. 01:40:13 Babette McDougall was In Favor: She believes that the issue is being addressed because of concerns about overreach. She states that up and down the state, people are suddenly saying they may need to become a charter city, as there is no other protection. She says there is a whole new government ready to take over in California and that the city needs to decide where it wants to stand. She likes the idea of being stronger for ourselves and believes that if becoming a charter city is what it takes, then the city should start there.
01:52:27	5.B: Introduction and Waiver of First Reading of Ordinance No. -04 - 2024 An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Amending Sausalito Municipal Code Section 2.58.040 Relating to Residency Requirements on City Boards, Commissions, and Commi	The City Attorney introduced an ordinance amending Sausalito Municipal Code Section 2.58.040, concerning residency requirements for city boards and commissions, particularly EDAC (Economic Development Advisory Committee). The ordinance has been revised to allow non-residents to serve on EDAC, addressing a conflict between existing code and past council resolutions. Councilmember Vostina (02:22:24) expressed concerns about the definition of community, and the value of stakeholder input. Councilmember Hoffman (02:15:31) highlighted the conflict between previous EDAC appointments and existing residency ordinances. Councilmember Kelman (02:12:43) raised concerns about streamlining boards and commissions, questioning the need to change existing ordinances. Vice Mayor Cox (02:18:44) supported the ordinance, citing the value of non-resident contributions, but suggested limiting the number of non-resident EDAC members and confining non-resident, non-voting liaisons to the 94965 area code. The council discussed the historical context of EDAC and the importance of business community representation. There was also considerable discussion regarding non-resident advisory or liaisons from the Marin City area and the house boat community.	Motion to introduce and waive the first reading of Ordinance Number 04-2024, amending Sausalito Municipal Code Section 2.58.040 with specific changes: Limiting the number of non-residents on EDAC to up to five members, and confining positions for non-residents to serve as non-voting liaisons or in a non-voting advisory capacity to residents of the 94965 area code with the exception of the Planning Commission and the Historic Preservation Commission. (02:32:31)	4 Total: 2 In Favor 2 Against 0 Neutral
02:02:17 Scott Thornburg was In Favor: Ethics is important. Stated EDAC is an advisory body with no real power, and that business owners should have a voice in the community. Referred to resolutions that support his position. 02:04:25 Andrew Junius was In Favor: Agreed with the previous speaker, and stressed that EDAC is a recommending body. Business owners need a voice and are subject to local and government rules. 02:05:33 Sandra Bushmaker was Against: Argued business owners have the Chamber of Commerce and favored residency requirements for boards and commissions to maintain local control. 02:07:38 Ms. Merrill was Against: Opposed appointing non-residents, emphasizing that residents should be prioritized and the town kept for residents.
02:40:22	5.C: Discussion and Direction Regarding the 2024/25 Road Resurfacing Projects List and SB1 Project Funding	Director McGowan presented the 2024/25 road resurfacing project list and SB1 project funding. The city is required to identify street projects to receive state funds. The plan proposes to accept $184,000 in state funds, $1.7 million in Measure L funds, and $140,000 in county funds. Pavement Engineering Incorporated developed a pavement management program for the city in 2022, providing a Pavement Condition Index (PCI) rating for all 26 miles of roadways. The city's average PCI was 58 out of 100, with an optimal rating being 70. To increase the PCI rating, the report suggests dedicating more resources to repair and resurface roadways, with an allocation of $1.8 million annually to maintain the current PCI and $2.9 million to increase it by five points over five years. Public Works refines the roadway repair list based on the report's recommendations, field reviews, and public input. For grants like SB1 funding, the city must develop a list of streets and projects for which the state funding is applied. The 2024-25 resurfacing program in the capital improvement program budget recommends a total of $1.95 million, including soft costs and construction costs. The construction costs are estimated at $1.6 million, slightly less than the $1.8 million recommended in the pavement management plan program, but with the SB1 funding of $184,000, it comes close. The 2024-25 resurfacing list includes micro-sealing, resurfacing, and repairing several roads. Staff estimates the construction cost for this work to be about $1.2 million, leaving an additional $400,000 for allocation to additional roadways. The maintenance division staff has identified North Street at 3rd, Easterby and Pearl, and the Coloma Street sidewalk project as areas that should be addressed. Bridgeway through downtown could benefit from micro-surfacing to prolong its life expectancy, and Gate 5 Road has been impacted by tidal waters, requiring drainage system improvements. Councilmember Hoffman asked for clarification from the city attorney regarding ethical rules related to roads close to council members' homes, and inquired about budget reductions. Councilmember Hollweg inquired about modifications to the initial list after submission. Councilmember Kelman asked about Gate 5 project causation and prioritization, and how risk management influences prioritization. City Manager noted the city will address dangerous conditions immediately and expedite pavement improvement program. (02:58:24)	Vice Mayor Hollweg moved to adopt the proposed 2024-25 road resurfacing list, including alternative roadways recommended by staff as bid alternates, depending on the cost of the work. Councilmember Blastings seconded the motion. (03:07:10)	4 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 3 Neutral
03:00:50 Mr. Moore was Neutral: Inquired about the prioritization list of roadways and how the public can communicate additional streets needing repair. He noted the poor condition of Montemar Street and suggested making the prioritization list accessible to the public. 03:02:29 Ms. Merrill was Neutral: Asked if SB1 funding would still be available if the city became a charter city, referencing previous discussions about state funding implications of charter city status. 03:03:15 Babette McDougall was In Favor: Expressed appreciation for the discussion on Gate 5 Road, advocated for using infrastructure tax dollars held by the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, and questioned the grant application process. 03:04:36 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: Reported issues with the Fix-It app and requested it be looked at, and mentioned issues on Sausalito Boulevard. She also reminisced about a previous pavement management system and expressed hope for better streets.
03:08:10	6: COMMUNICATIONS	This agenda item is for public comment on items not on the agenda. Babette McDougal provided a comment, stating that the current meeting was one of the best council meetings of the year. She thanked the council for tightening up the agenda and for running the meeting well, despite technological challenges. She expressed the importance of understanding the community and the concerns about the lack of voice among investors. She also acknowledged the importance of the business community and the need to include their perspectives, regardless of their place of residence. She highlighted the importance of open discussion and vetting various viewpoints as the city moves forward.	No Motion	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
03:08:57 Babette McDougal was Neutral: Complimented the council on the meeting's efficiency and acknowledged the importance of including diverse perspectives, including the business community.
03:10:49	7: COUNCILMEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS	The meeting moved on to councilmember committee reports after closing public comments. The chair asked if any member wished to make a comment or a report.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
03:11:03	8: CITY MANAGER REPORTS & OTHER COUNCIL BUSINESS	The council moves on to the City Manager's reports and other council business after closing the council member committee reports.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
03:11:10	8A: City Manager Information for Council	The City Manager provided a written report indicating that the 4th of July parking revenue was approximately $22,000, consistent with the previous year. He mentioned addressing concerns from residents and businesses regarding off-lot parking charges and collaborating with the parking committee to improve parking management for holidays, employees, and residents, considering advancements in parking technology. Janelle Kelman asked who was on the parking committee, and it was confirmed that it is a mayor appointed committee, with no city councilmembers. Councilmember Hoffman inquired about the decision to lower parking meter rates after they were raised over Memorial Day weekend, referencing a prior council directive. The City Manager explained that the rate change was in response to concerns voiced at a council meeting about the high rates negatively impacting businesses. He clarified that the current ordinance allows him latitude in setting rates on holiday weekends and that he is open to council direction on the matter. Councilmember Hoffman requested data on the revenue generated during Memorial Day weekend with the increased rates. Vice Mayor Hollweg suggested having a discussion on the issue, noting concerns from the business community about losing business due to the high street parking rates and the need to balance revenue generation with the impact on businesses (03:17:09).	No Motion	2 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 2 Neutral
03:12:36 Jill Hoffman was Neutral: Councilmember Hoffman questioned the City Manager about the decision to lower parking meter rates after they were raised over Memorial Day weekend, referencing a prior council directive to align meter rates with parking lot rates. She requested information on the revenue generated during Memorial Day weekend with the increased rates, given the importance of parking revenue to the city. 03:17:51 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Babette McDougall discussed the parking revenue issue and suggested allocating a percentage of the revenue back to neighborhoods heavily impacted by event traffic. She highlighted the interconnectedness of the city and the need to consider the impact on residents and their responsibilities for road maintenance.
03:19:45	9: ADJOURNMENT	The meeting is adjourned with a thank you to everyone. (03:19:45)	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

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Time	Speaker	Text
00:25:34.41	Unknown	It's great to see you here in the chambers and online. Sorry for the delay. There was a technical problem that we have now resolved for Zoom attendance. We are reconvening from closed session. There are no announcements from closed session.
00:25:48.45	Unknown	We'll begin our meeting today with a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.
00:25:55.25	Unknown	of the Regents to the flag of the United States of America, that the computer product for which it stands, one may be under God, the individual of the liberty for the Regents to be brought,
00:26:09.78	Unknown	Thank you very much. We'll begin with a special presentation from Brian Vitale, our community services manager, about the 4th of July.
00:26:17.69	Unknown	I already,
00:26:21.99	Unknown	Thank you.
00:26:22.01	Bryan Vitale	It's already on. It's great.
00:26:23.31	Bryan Vitale	Thank you.
00:26:23.33	Unknown	Welcome.
00:26:23.70	Bryan Vitale	Thank you.
00:26:24.07	Bryan Vitale	Thank you. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, City Council, City Manager and staff and members of the public. Thank you for the opportunity to for giving me the opportunity to be here with you tonight. It's always a delight to stand here with you and share some positive moments of a successful event. Thank you to all who helped, gave insight and supported this annual event.
00:26:45.40	Bryan Vitale	As 4th of July is our largest event in the city. It was all hands on deck for police, fire, and the Parks and Rec Department throughout the day.
00:26:52.62	Bryan Vitale	The pre-event support and coordination from our parks, public works, police, and fire, finance, communications, and HR departments is crucial in helping facilitate a successful day of events. The support and help from our volunteers and public service, the VIPs, closing our streets for the parade and posting over 200 no-parking signs is such a help to our department, along with the pre-event help closing the the streets, standing guard at the parade to help make sure that the streets are closed is only possible with their support. Thank you to our parade judges for making the toughest decisions of the day and crowning winners of each parade category. And of course, to our recreation department, we're a small but mighty force. We collaborate with business and restaurants, partner with nonprofits, and always put in the effort to bring the best to Sausalito. It certainly takes a village, and we appreciate the work our city team has done day in and day out. Next slide, please.
00:27:48.85	Bryan Vitale	With three events in one day, residents and their visitors had the opportunity to join for part of the fun or enjoy its entirety in Sausalito and the tradition that goes along with it. Event goers got eight hours of jam-packed fun throughout the day.
00:28:05.13	Bryan Vitale	Next slide.
00:28:07.67	Bryan Vitale	We'll start with the parade.
00:28:09.27	Bryan Vitale	About 3,000 plus onlookers stood by and cheered for our 34 floats, classic cars, and marching groups. From a Ford Model T to a personal flying craft, we saw history and technology meet. With tractors pulling boats, bands jamming in the back of pickup trucks and dancing groups that got you grooving, parade attendees, young and old, got to witness a unique blend of how we do it in Sausalito. We paid homage to those that came before us and celebrated the ones who are bringing us into the future.
00:28:36.59	Bryan Vitale	Next slide, please.
00:28:39.27	Bryan Vitale	Next was our picnic. We had 2000 plus people come out.
00:28:42.70	Bryan Vitale	To kick back, relax, and enjoy the beautiful afternoon, we had Johnny Gunn and The Wanted in the gazebo playing rock and roll, the Rotary Club serving burgers and hot dogs, Galilee Harbor serving fish and chips, the Lions Club serving beverages, and Kona Ice cooling everyone down with their shaved ice. Pivotal Aeronautics sponsored the event and gave everyone a glimpse into the future of flight or driving during their multiple launches throughout the day.
00:29:07.12	Bryan Vitale	The crowds gathered around to test out their flight simulators, watch innovation and maybe put a down payment on one of their latest crafts.
00:29:14.42	Bryan Vitale	Small price tag. Along with the new activities comes fan favorites and traditions. And Pivotal wasn't the only objects taking flight during the picnic. Over 60 egg-cited teams. Yeah, don't worry, I'll get there. Competed for an egg toss for an eggstravaganza of high-flying entertainment. The tug-of-war also brought out people's competitive nature. Newtown beat Oldtown. Smitty's beat No Name. And the kids took down the cops in a best of three showdown. No officers were injured during this portion of the event. And we already discussed Ropeburn not being eligible for short term disability.
00:29:52.33	Bryan Vitale	Next slide, please.
00:29:54.47	Bryan Vitale	Our fireworks drew in 1,500 concert goers, which quickly turned into 3,500 plus people all over the park, down the waterfront to the Spinnaker, throughout the parking lot and beyond. Elena Keating and the R&B All-Stars brought their best and got the crowd off their feet for two and a half hours of rhythm and blues. Big Jim's Barbecue had a line all night long, and the fireworks started promptly at 9.15. The night was capped off by perfect weather, no clouds, cool air, and bombs bursting in the air. The 16-minute fireworks show wasn't the only highlight of the evening, as a wedding proposal stole the band's intermission with a story of relationship that started six years prior at a Friday night jazz and blues concert series
00:30:36.03	Bryan Vitale	six years ago.
00:30:36.98	Bryan Vitale	Next slide.
00:30:39.56	Bryan Vitale	So we're gonna do a little rundown of the numbers here. Our daily attendance for the entirety of the day was about 10,000 people. The city was bustling throughout the whole day with many red flag warnings and other cities canceling their fireworks and festivities. Sausalito certainly reaped the benefits. The total cost of the day was approximately $53,500. And our projected revenue is about $51,500. This includes the $22,827 in parking revenue.
00:31:07.77	Bryan Vitale	We have about 700 total parking spots in town, which include meters and lots, which means that every spot turned over two times or more. This does not include the resident pass cards for the muni lots, so it's likely that 2,000 plus cars were parked downtown throughout the whole day.
00:31:23.15	Bryan Vitale	With a gap of $2,000 in revenue, the return on involvement was $0.20 per attendee or $0.28 per resident.
00:31:30.47	Bryan Vitale	We're excited to continue this tradition for years to come and close that gap of $2,000. We love providing free events for our community and look forward to continuing to add value to our city year after year. Next slide, please.
00:31:45.51	Bryan Vitale	I want to thank each and every one of you for coming out, supporting us, and doing your part to make this event happen year in and year out. So thank you, and my department thanks you. I'm happy to answer any questions that you have or go more in-depth on our breakdown from our budget or any of the other revenues that we had. So thank you.
00:32:06.03	Unknown	Thank you.
00:32:07.24	Unknown	Thank you very much, Brian. Are there any questions?
00:32:12.03	Unknown	Maybe my colleagues.
00:32:14.36	Janelle Kelman	I just want to say, Mayor, thank you, Brian. I know you work very hard, and you're literally there all day long. And I can hear you, even when I go home for a brief nap, I can still hear you in Dunphy Park calling out the tug-of-war and all the other games and fun. So thank you. I know it's really hard, and you've really stepped up on Parks and Rec, and it's noticed, so I appreciate it.
00:32:34.71	Bryan Vitale	Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
00:32:36.62	Bryan Vitale	Hear, hear. Thank you, sir.
00:32:39.39	Bryan Vitale	Thank you.
00:32:39.94	Bryan Vitale	Thank you.
00:32:39.98	Unknown	Brian before you leave can you tell us who the grand marshal was please?
00:32:43.51	Bryan Vitale	Yes, it was Jim Gabbert. He was our Grand Marshal. He's been a resident of Sausalito for over 30 years. He helped get our fireworks happening this particular year. He's been Grand Marshal of the Lighted Boat Parade and has been a fixture of our community for decades. He plays in our bocce leagues and you always see him over at events. So he has a big...
00:33:06.76	Bryan Vitale	fluffy dog. So if you see a big fluffy dog around Chipper, you'll see Jim.
00:33:12.75	Bryan Vitale	So,
00:33:13.49	Bryan Vitale	It was great. Thank you.
00:33:14.93	Mark Blastings	Thank you so much, Brian. It was really great work. It was a lot of fun.
00:33:18.94	Bryan Vitale	Thanks. Looking forward to more events to come in the summer and in the fall.
00:33:24.90	Unknown	Awesome.
00:33:25.62	Unknown	Okay. Thank you very much. You're very welcome.
00:33:27.82	Unknown	Our next presentation will be from Mr. McKinley.
00:33:32.07	Unknown	on a community emergency response.
00:33:42.79	Mike McKinley	Slide, please.
00:33:48.09	Unknown	Thank you.
00:33:48.10	Kevin McGowan	So...
00:33:50.18	Mike McKinley	Good evening, Mayor, City Council members and City Manager and public.
00:33:56.57	Mike McKinley	My name is Mike McKinley. I'm the emergency service coordinator for the Saucyut Police Department.
00:34:01.55	Mike McKinley	I'm pleased to describe the Sausalito Police Department's emergency services organization and functions supporting the city of Sausalito for all hazard events.
00:34:10.85	Mike McKinley	My first, may I let, let me first introduce you to the phases of emergencies. If I could have that slide.
00:34:20.47	Mike McKinley	Next slide.
00:34:25.95	Mike McKinley	Thank you.
00:34:30.05	Mike McKinley	So there's four phases of emergencies, mitigation, preparedness, response and recovery.
00:34:35.00	Mike McKinley	The mitigation plans are the key to breaking the cycle of disaster damage and reconstruction. Examples are revised and new building codes and hardening of critical infrastructure.
00:34:45.83	Mike McKinley	The preparedness phase includes response plans, SOPs, drills, exercises, community preparedness, and understanding threats and hazards.
00:34:55.43	Mike McKinley	The response phase is the capabilities necessary to save lives, protect property and the environment, and meet basic human needs after an incident has occurred.
00:35:05.24	Mike McKinley	The recovery phase,
00:35:07.67	Mike McKinley	Are the capabilities necessary to help a community affected by an incident to recover effectively?
00:35:13.03	Mike McKinley	The Saucena Police Department's priorities are the response phase and the recovery phase.
00:35:20.21	Mike McKinley	Next slide, please.
00:35:24.37	Mike McKinley	Emergencies versus disasters. The emergencies are small scale localized instances, which will resolve quickly by using local resources. Examples of emergencies would be a medical emergency,
00:35:36.20	Mike McKinley	a single alarm, room and content, structural fire, an auto accident, or a water rescue.
00:35:43.64	Mike McKinley	A disaster is a large scale and crosses geographic, political, and academic boundaries. Examples, Loma Prieta earthquake, the Columbine shooting,
00:35:53.11	Mike McKinley	in Hurricane Katrina.
00:35:58.95	Mike McKinley	Next slide, please.
00:36:02.98	Mike McKinley	SIMS, the Standardized Emergency Management System,
00:36:06.65	Mike McKinley	So this is the cornerstone of California's emergency response system and fundamental for the response phase of emergency management.
00:36:15.37	Mike McKinley	The system unifies all the elements of the California emergency management community into a single system.
00:36:20.45	Mike McKinley	integrated system
00:36:21.90	Mike McKinley	and standardizes key elements.
00:36:24.48	Mike McKinley	Sausalito adheres to the Sims governance.
00:36:29.46	Mike McKinley	The SIMS components include...
00:36:31.99	Mike McKinley	The incident command system.
00:36:34.14	Mike McKinley	multi-agency coordination.
00:36:37.44	Mike McKinley	mutual aid and the operational area concept.
00:36:37.46	Unknown	Mutual.
00:36:42.98	Mike McKinley	Slide, please.
00:36:47.50	Mike McKinley	So Marin County is the operational area for Sausalito. And that is a proponent of the Office of Emergency Management, which is now a division or unit of the Marin County Fire Department.
00:37:05.35	Mike McKinley	So the OEM is a direct support element supporting the SOS will do during emergencies or disasters. We will turn right to our operational area
00:37:14.18	Mike McKinley	The county office of emergency services for support.
00:37:17.82	Mike McKinley	The emergency services director is Stephen Torrance. He's been there about a year now, and he's doing a fantastic job.
00:37:25.77	Mike McKinley	a lot of outreach to all the jurisdictions in Marin.
00:37:32.47	Mike McKinley	Again, they're considered the operational area, so they coordinate all the emergency operation activities in the county. Again, each county in the state of California is its own operational area for disasters.
00:37:45.95	Mike McKinley	They develop written guidelines for local jurisdictions to follow.
00:37:49.60	Mike McKinley	For instance, tsunami playbooks or debris management standard operating procedures are developed by the OEM, and we use those documents.
00:38:01.90	Mike McKinley	They prepare countywide EOC training.
00:38:04.55	Mike McKinley	Of note, tomorrow is the monthly OEM meeting and training session. The subject is mass violence and victim assistance.
00:38:15.40	Mike McKinley	Slide, please.
00:38:20.20	Mike McKinley	The OEM...
00:38:21.41	Mike McKinley	The Office of Emergency Management also manages the Alert Marin and the emergency alert systems, including Nixle and the County Emergency Portal, which is a website portal.
00:38:32.58	Mike McKinley	Last but not least, they maintain the county emergency operations center.
00:38:40.31	Mike McKinley	Next slide, please.
00:38:43.04	Mike McKinley	Sausalito's preparation.
00:38:46.82	Mike McKinley	I believe one of the most important subject of this presentation is the level of Sausalito Police Department's involvement and preparations for response phase operations and networking and developing working relationships with other local and state federal agencies. Some of the preparations are listed in your packet and they are listed here.
00:39:08.86	Mike McKinley	If you have any questions about any of these, please don't hesitate.
00:39:16.12	Mike McKinley	I'll end by stating the Sosso Police Department continues to prepare for emergencies to help ensure the safety of members of our community.
00:39:24.08	Mike McKinley	Have any questions?
00:39:25.87	Unknown	Thank you very much. Thank you. Any questions here from the dais or from my colleagues online? Councilmember Blaston.
00:39:26.82	Mike McKinley	Thank you.
00:39:32.05	Mark Blastings	First of all, thank you. Very nice to see you, Mr. McKinley. I really appreciate the great work that you and Sausalito PDA are doing on emergency management, which some of us don't get to see at the forefront. So I appreciate you being here and making the time. If you could just, you know, talk to us a little bit about, since we're members of the City Council and we're not in necessarily these coordination meetings and obviously not participating in the tabletops. Could you educate us about what we would be doing in, for example, if the EOC was activated because of a disaster response? What kind of role would you expect us to play in informing our constituents? And how could we be helpful to you in the event of a disaster?
00:40:12.60	Mike McKinley	Absolutely, you have a critical part. Even though it doesn't show up in the ICS system, it is actually part of the
00:40:21.66	Mike McKinley	the operational components. The city manager would be your conduit, really, to get messages out to your constituents. Policy issues certainly would probably be run past you to ensure that we're cognizant of what is going to be going on, what our response functions are going to be.
00:40:46.60	Mike McKinley	Certainly, we can't depend on everything to go exactly the way we want it. So a heads up to the community about being strong and being prepared is critical. But the conduit would certainly be through the emergency manager of the city. And certainly, there would be briefings for you. but it would just depend on the incident. Does that answer your question? Yeah. Yeah, you're certainly involved. I know there's sort of a gap in the elected officials' participation, but yeah, definitely. Definitely.
00:41:23.57	Janelle Kelman	Thank you very much, Mike.
00:41:26.70	Janelle Kelman	Two governance questions. So I think I saw the slide.
00:41:31.46	Janelle Kelman	Is the OEM a part of Southern Marin Fire is my first question. No.
00:41:35.35	Mike McKinley	No, the OEM is part of Marin County Fire.
00:41:39.34	Janelle Kelman	Marine County Fire.
00:41:39.88	Mike McKinley	It was.
00:41:40.91	Mike McKinley	as of about six months ago.
00:41:43.44	Mike McKinley	part of the Sheriff's Office.
00:41:45.14	Mike McKinley	And the sheriff has given that responsibility up and it's gone over to the Marine County Fire Department.
00:41:51.49	Janelle Kelman	Okay. And my second question is, how does an entity like this at the county level interact with Cal OES at the state level?
00:41:58.61	Mike McKinley	Great question. So this is the operational area concept at work.
00:42:03.05	Mike McKinley	If there is an incident,
00:42:04.63	Mike McKinley	let's say we have the catastrophic earthquake and Sausalito needs X amount of resources
00:42:11.65	Mike McKinley	We would go to
00:42:14.57	Mike McKinley	OEM.
00:42:15.64	Mike McKinley	Our operational area.
00:42:17.41	Mike McKinley	They would look at the resources that they could provide us. If they couldn't provide us anything, they would push it up to Cal OES regional EOC.
00:42:27.84	Mike McKinley	Information would always be going up to them in a status report.
00:42:31.67	Mike McKinley	So Cal OES would have all that information. They would be ready to pull the trigger on providing mutual aid down through the OA to Sausalito or other entities. So that's all part of the SIMS system.
00:42:44.83	Mike McKinley	And Cal OES would be talking to FEMA if we had to go that far.
00:42:51.46	Mike McKinley	So that's sort of the chain of command in the emergency management system. And it's embedded in SIMS.
00:42:57.84	Janelle Kelman	You had a great dense slide, not to create work, but at some point I'd be very interested to see that laid out graphically so we understand the chain of command and who's responsible for what. So maybe we can talk offline about that.
00:43:09.48	Mike McKinley	Absolutely. Yeah, that's definitely easy to do.
00:43:12.37	Janelle Kelman	Thank you.
00:43:13.14	Mike McKinley	Thank you.
00:43:13.18	Mike McKinley	Yes.
00:43:15.59	Mike McKinley	I'll be followed by... There's still a question from the Vice Mayor Cox. Oh, I'm sorry. Vice Mayor?
00:43:20.01	Janelle Kelman	Thank you.
00:43:20.22	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:43:22.71	Mike McKinley	Thank you.
00:43:22.85	Karen Hollweg	Thank you, Mayor. And thank you
00:43:23.42	Mr. Moore	Thank you.
00:43:26.97	Karen Hollweg	Um,
00:43:29.83	Karen Hollweg	Mike.
00:43:30.54	Karen Hollweg	Mike.
00:43:33.63	Karen Hollweg	McKinley, thank you, Mr. McKinley.
00:43:35.99	Karen Hollweg	um,
00:43:37.14	Karen Hollweg	Mike, I wanted to also talk about other opportunities that the city council members have
00:43:42.27	Karen Hollweg	to participate. Of course, you have various neighborhood
00:43:47.10	Karen Hollweg	Um,
00:43:48.01	Karen Hollweg	disaster preparedness meetings throughout the year that we can participate in. And it used to be that you had an annual
00:43:56.45	Karen Hollweg	disaster preparedness drill where we could come
00:43:59.87	Karen Hollweg	downtown to the fire station and participate
00:44:03.79	Karen Hollweg	and observe the manner in which you would drill
00:44:06.50	Karen Hollweg	you respond to various potential
00:44:10.91	Karen Hollweg	emergencies. I don't know whether those still take place in Sausalito or elsewhere now that your organization has changed somewhat. Could you comment on that?
00:44:20.24	Mike McKinley	Yes.
00:44:23.46	Mike McKinley	The police department's not really doing that kind of outreach. The Southern Marin Fire District's Neighborhood Response Group coordinators have done a wonderful job and have sort of taken that slice over.
00:44:38.90	Mike McKinley	So evacuation drills, awareness of alert Marin and other alerting systems are presented by that neighborhood response group in Southern Marin Fire. So they're really the proponent for that kind of outreach right now.
00:44:56.71	Mike McKinley	And they do a great job. And we are, you know, tied to their hip. But they're the ones that are really doing the groundwork.
00:45:04.49	Karen Hollweg	And then I also just wanted to thank the Sausalito Police Department and Southern Wind Fire
00:45:09.58	Karen Hollweg	and the Marin County for their participation with our sister city.
00:45:15.83	Karen Hollweg	efforts, for example, in response to the disaster
00:45:20.55	Karen Hollweg	in Vigna del Mar, Argentina. You've been invaluable assistance to them.
00:45:27.89	Mike McKinley	Thank you.
00:45:27.91	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:45:28.11	Karen Hollweg	you.
00:45:31.82	Unknown	I think you're now gonna introduce Mr. Clark, is that right?
00:45:34.17	Mark Blastings	Yep.
00:45:34.47	Unknown	Thank you.
00:45:34.51	Mark Blastings	One more question.
00:45:34.62	Unknown	Go ahead, Anne.
00:45:35.69	Mark Blastings	One more question just on on slide seven, which is this great slide where you list all of the
00:45:41.36	Mark Blastings	amazing emergency management work going on across Moran. And I'm sorry I didn't mention Southern Marin fire. You guys are doing great work as well. In addition to, hello.
00:45:48.93	Unknown	it.
00:45:49.10	Unknown	They are...
00:45:50.05	Mark Blastings	You're doing a lot, you're doing great, and we appreciate it. But I see on here that you also noted that you have
00:45:55.95	Mark Blastings	regional weekly briefings with briefings with the Nick rake. And I don't know that most people are familiar with what that is. Could you just give it a quick overview, just given our current political environment and some of the ongoing threats we're dealing with, what the Nick rake is and what it does.
00:45:58.86	Unknown	We do.
00:46:09.62	Mike McKinley	Yes.
00:46:10.82	Mike McKinley	So the NICORIC is a Northern California Regional Intelligence Center. It's a task force. It's made up of various law enforcement agencies in the task force, federal agencies as well, FBI, Department of Homeland Security,
00:46:29.59	Mike McKinley	the sheriff's office. So pretty much all the entities fire. And the task force's duties are to act as a fusion center. So they put together threat briefings. They get
00:46:47.76	Mike McKinley	Information from various jurisdictions through terrorism liaison officers. Saucedo have several terrorism liaison officers that work directly with NICRIC.
00:46:57.40	Mike McKinley	and Syria's
00:47:00.50	Mike McKinley	issues are pushed up for investigation by that task force. And that task force is sort of a brain trust. There are so many different entities that cross pollinate through it that
00:47:14.15	Mike McKinley	you know, we will get information back if in fact it's a viable threat in our area. Was that?
00:47:21.44	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
00:47:22.03	Mike McKinley	Yeah. Yes.
00:47:24.38	Mike McKinley	Thank you.
00:47:24.41	Unknown	Thank you.
00:47:24.60	Mike McKinley	Thank you.
00:47:24.85	Mike McKinley	Thanks. I want to introduce Tom Clark. He's representing the Marina Vista
00:47:29.16	Mike McKinley	Home and Association.
00:47:31.92	Mike McKinley	Thank you very much. Thank you.
00:47:34.34	Thomas Clark	Thank you, Mike.
00:47:36.31	Thomas Clark	Hi, how are you?
00:47:37.80	Thomas Clark	Yeah.
00:47:39.30	Thomas Clark	Well, I'm Thomas Clark. Can you be sure to...
00:47:41.73	Unknown	Can you be sure to speak into the microphone, Mr. Clark? Thank you.
00:47:42.94	Thomas Clark	microphone.
00:47:44.73	Thomas Clark	Okay. I'm Thomas Clark. I am the president of the Marina Vista HOA.
00:47:51.62	Thomas Clark	And we have been very active for the last couple of years since the passage of the
00:47:59.93	Thomas Clark	Fire hazard.
00:48:02.74	Thomas Clark	Safety zones.
00:48:05.42	Thomas Clark	the law that requires us to fire harden our properties in our buildings.
00:48:12.36	Thomas Clark	When this came about, we were just beginning to take hold of our board and understand what the processes were. And it wasn't before a couple of weeks of looking at all this that we realized...
00:48:25.67	Thomas Clark	RCC and R's,
00:48:28.52	Thomas Clark	in our,
00:48:29.43	Thomas Clark	bylaws
00:48:31.32	Thomas Clark	are out of date by about 50 years.
00:48:35.36	Thomas Clark	And that this is going to have a tremendous impact on us.
00:48:39.61	Thomas Clark	So we started to create a
00:48:44.06	Thomas Clark	Hazard mitigation
00:48:47.32	Thomas Clark	service plan for our community.
00:48:51.45	Thomas Clark	Yeah.
00:48:52.33	Thomas Clark	This is for the specifics of
00:48:56.09	Thomas Clark	Fire suppression.
00:48:59.72	Thomas Clark	RHOA doesn't have an asset it owns.
00:49:03.88	Thomas Clark	We have no buildings. We don't have tennis courts. We don't have swimming pools.
00:49:07.64	Thomas Clark	All the things that so many
00:49:09.68	Thomas Clark	Condo associations have. No, we have
00:49:13.98	Thomas Clark	Real estate.
00:49:15.20	Thomas Clark	properties.
00:49:16.43	Thomas Clark	separate properties that we maintain as open space.
00:49:19.37	Thomas Clark	You drive down, it looks nice driving down Nevada when we take care of that.
00:49:24.33	Thomas Clark	And in other places around our community, we take care of.
00:49:28.92	Thomas Clark	So our first real exposure to the depth of our
00:49:34.23	Thomas Clark	Our issues came about when we had our own HOA properties assessed by Southern Marine Fire.
00:49:43.97	Thomas Clark	That was an eye-opener.
00:49:45.67	Thomas Clark	We did a walk through.
00:49:48.91	Thomas Clark	with Bridget?
00:49:51.51	Thomas Clark	And she walked us through our board and told us what to look for, what the problems were. And then we did follow up walk through with
00:50:03.34	Thomas Clark	Madison.
00:50:05.77	Thomas Clark	who had a different take and a different position in the organization.
00:50:10.36	Thomas Clark	and she helped us even further.
00:50:12.79	Thomas Clark	So the support we have gotten
00:50:15.54	Thomas Clark	in developing a plan has been terrific.
00:50:20.28	Thomas Clark	So can you show this video? Because this is telltale.
00:50:25.50	Thomas Clark	This is our website.
00:50:28.35	Thomas Clark	And this is our
00:50:31.83	Thomas Clark	This is RHOA.
00:50:34.41	Thomas Clark	And you can see how beautiful it is. People like living there. We have great views of Richardson Bay.
00:50:42.34	Thomas Clark	We have
00:50:44.09	Thomas Clark	It's nice and green. It's just
00:50:47.17	Thomas Clark	Great sidewalks. It's a real walking community. People know each other.
00:50:51.61	Thomas Clark	We say hi.
00:50:53.12	Thomas Clark	A lot of them have dogs. They like to know that.
00:50:57.49	Thomas Clark	But you can see their views.
00:51:01.12	Thomas Clark	how nice it is, and it goes all the way down to almost the end of Nevada Street,
00:51:06.61	Thomas Clark	Almost the end of Lincoln.
00:51:08.82	Thomas Clark	all of Marina
00:51:10.71	Thomas Clark	Marina Avenue there circle.
00:51:13.47	Thomas Clark	And we have 166
00:51:16.26	Thomas Clark	properties.
00:51:17.36	Thomas Clark	In the HOA.
00:51:20.76	Thomas Clark	So.
00:51:21.83	Thomas Clark	Moving on.
00:51:25.86	Thomas Clark	When was our first call to action?
00:51:29.41	Thomas Clark	Our first call to action was nobody knew
00:51:33.66	Thomas Clark	how the life was going to change.
00:51:35.93	Thomas Clark	in our membership.
00:51:38.06	Thomas Clark	So our first call of action was
00:51:39.83	Thomas Clark	Education.
00:51:42.13	Thomas Clark	We started doing
00:51:44.05	Thomas Clark	a campaign.
00:51:46.43	Thomas Clark	Our
00:51:47.71	Thomas Clark	Marina Vista HOA,
00:51:49.87	Thomas Clark	Fire.
00:51:50.80	Thomas Clark	mitigation.
00:51:52.14	Thomas Clark	campaign.
00:51:54.63	Thomas Clark	And in this, we got educated talking to our fire marshals.
00:51:59.78	Thomas Clark	who have been extremely helpful here.
00:52:02.46	Thomas Clark	I can't tell you how much help they have created.
00:52:05.52	Thomas Clark	And we learned how to work together.
00:52:07.83	Thomas Clark	in ways that are unique.
00:52:09.60	Thomas Clark	Which brings me to this point here.
00:52:12.99	Thomas Clark	RHOA.
00:52:14.41	Thomas Clark	is really located in what we call
00:52:19.51	Thomas Clark	Nevada Valley.
00:52:21.73	Thomas Clark	It's its own region, its own problems. And if you could turn this line on, that shows the maps.
00:52:29.55	Thomas Clark	It can explain the valley pretty well.
00:52:33.50	Thomas Clark	Um,
00:52:34.27	Thomas Clark	Our valley is considered
00:52:37.16	Thomas Clark	very high,
00:52:38.98	Thomas Clark	in high fire danger.
00:52:42.66	Thomas Clark	No, the slide pictures, it's in our slides there.
00:52:47.92	Thomas Clark	And in our slide three, I think in our slides,
00:52:56.09	Thomas Clark	Anyway.
00:52:57.66	Thomas Clark	To talk about this, we realized that our neighbors and our neighbors to our HOA also had to be a part of this.
00:53:04.70	Thomas Clark	We have the same fire problem.
00:53:08.44	Thomas Clark	So,
00:53:09.17	Thomas Clark	We
00:53:11.51	Thomas Clark	Right there.
00:53:12.88	Thomas Clark	So if you look at where the stars are, that's kind of like the center of our HOA.
00:53:18.22	Thomas Clark	And you can see how it's a bowl shape and it wraps around
00:53:21.96	Thomas Clark	In almost all the properties down Lincoln down
00:53:25.22	Thomas Clark	And around
00:53:28.71	Thomas Clark	Marine Circle Avenue and
00:53:32.12	Thomas Clark	Lincoln.
00:53:34.26	Thomas Clark	The majority of those houses belong to RHOA, including Kendall Court and Arena Circle.
00:53:40.56	Thomas Clark	So.
00:53:41.62	Thomas Clark	Um,
00:53:42.99	Thomas Clark	That's the majority of the upper part of the Nevada Valley.
00:53:49.08	Thomas Clark	And we border against some other properties. We have Buchanan,
00:53:52.34	Thomas Clark	And we have a lower Lincoln and we have, um,
00:53:56.13	Thomas Clark	Williams court.
00:53:58.34	Thomas Clark	And we've been outreaching to these individuals, too, to join us in submitting for FHIR grants.
00:54:08.42	Thomas Clark	What we've learned working with
00:54:13.46	Thomas Clark	in Southern Marine Fire District.
00:54:15.78	Thomas Clark	is there's,
00:54:18.14	Thomas Clark	slight gap
00:54:20.13	Thomas Clark	when we call local.
00:54:21.83	Thomas Clark	Local to us.
00:54:23.35	Thomas Clark	is the property owner.
00:54:26.10	Thomas Clark	local to the city is something else.
00:54:29.34	Thomas Clark	local Southern Marine or something else.
00:54:32.70	Thomas Clark	But it's the fire, it's the property owner that's most affected
00:54:37.11	Thomas Clark	Um,
00:54:37.71	Thomas Clark	about the rules and regulations
00:54:40.97	Thomas Clark	And
00:54:42.27	Thomas Clark	The FH
00:54:45.41	Thomas Clark	as
00:54:47.82	Thomas Clark	S Z
00:54:49.83	Thomas Clark	regulations.
00:54:51.70	Thomas Clark	We have to fire hard on our properties. What does that mean? We had to educate.
00:54:55.84	Thomas Clark	We put out flyers, we knocked on doors, we talked to people, talked to people, and talked to people and found out, interestingly enough,
00:55:04.93	Thomas Clark	the majority of our homeowners agreed we need to do something about it.
00:55:10.33	Thomas Clark	Not everyone.
00:55:12.02	Thomas Clark	And I would say 80%.
00:55:14.25	Thomas Clark	Yes.
00:55:15.04	Thomas Clark	Like that, we never took a vote on that.
00:55:17.52	Thomas Clark	But a lot did, and that culminated in our educational program we put together at the Spinnaker.
00:55:24.88	Thomas Clark	that many attended.
00:55:26.74	Thomas Clark	We had over 100 people there.
00:55:29.13	Thomas Clark	And it wasn't us telling them, we brought the experts.
00:55:32.72	Thomas Clark	I thank the Southern Marine Fire District for showing their force and really speaking to the issues.
00:55:39.27	Thomas Clark	We also had, um,
00:55:41.45	Thomas Clark	Somebody from the insurance company, we had Joan Cox talk.
00:55:45.43	Thomas Clark	about what the city was doing.
00:55:47.68	Thomas Clark	And we had also Damon Conley speak about what the state was doing.
00:55:54.26	Thomas Clark	So.
00:55:55.49	Thomas Clark	Those are the experts we were learning from.
00:55:58.80	Thomas Clark	This isn't our made up world.
00:56:00.94	Thomas Clark	This is our
00:56:01.78	Thomas Clark	future reality.
00:56:03.30	Thomas Clark	And we are now ingesting our HOA
00:56:05.97	Thomas Clark	bylaws.
00:56:07.47	Thomas Clark	and CCNRs so that we can govern our own system around us. Because being a part of an HOA, we have authorities.
00:56:16.89	Thomas Clark	We have coordinated authority over a lot of properties.
00:56:21.92	Thomas Clark	So putting that in alignment with the needs works well. The other thing that happens working with the Southern Marin Fire District is we can be their outreach.
00:56:34.66	Thomas Clark	So we are going to our neighboring
00:56:38.03	Thomas Clark	neighbors outside our district. We are passing out those same flyers. We are going to door to door and talking to them.
00:56:44.44	Thomas Clark	and they can join us individually as property owners in our submission for our FHIR grants.
00:56:53.08	Thomas Clark	So what we are doing is putting together the individual homeowners
00:56:58.01	Thomas Clark	and property owners.
00:56:59.73	Thomas Clark	in
00:57:00.44	Thomas Clark	and comment
00:57:02.09	Thomas Clark	package.
00:57:03.04	Thomas Clark	with a common look at
00:57:04.96	Thomas Clark	What?
00:57:06.25	Thomas Clark	the
00:57:09.00	Thomas Clark	grants available to us that we can
00:57:12.52	Thomas Clark	we should be looking at.
00:57:14.67	Thomas Clark	There's the, you know,
00:57:16.69	Thomas Clark	Cal Office of which we talked about here, emergency services. They have grants that we can apply to. There are the largest grants that I see is from Cal Fire.
00:57:29.94	Thomas Clark	There's a lot of grants there. So we are going through that like a checklist.
00:57:33.84	Thomas Clark	This one works, this one works, this one works for us, for our region. And so we almost have like this fire region
00:57:41.38	Thomas Clark	In Nevada Valley, that's perfect.
00:57:45.70	Thomas Clark	We're setting up a fire.
00:57:47.79	Thomas Clark	Um, response mitigation response plan.
00:57:51.59	Thomas Clark	for our
00:57:53.12	Thomas Clark	Und.
00:57:55.49	Thomas Clark	And that's what we're doing.
00:57:57.82	Thomas Clark	And we're putting them together, attaching them to the proper...
00:58:00.89	Thomas Clark	which grants work for which
00:58:04.82	Thomas Clark	for me, and there's a lot of different
00:58:07.55	Thomas Clark	Grand areas, I'm going to go through them for you.
00:58:10.98	Thomas Clark	to give you a sample of what we're talking about.
00:58:16.80	Thomas Clark	Hazardous fuel reduction.
00:58:19.28	Thomas Clark	is what the word is, the co-word for, what grants we're going for from CAL FIRE. I'm just going to do CAL FIRE. So there's vegetation clearance check. We need that.
00:58:31.47	Thomas Clark	Creation of a maintenance and fuel brakes. Check, we need that.
00:58:36.68	Thomas Clark	Removal of ladder fuels to reduce the risk of crown fires. Well, we have eucalyptus trees and large forests. Check that one.
00:58:45.67	Thomas Clark	and selective tree removal we've already been doing.
00:58:49.30	Thomas Clark	and modifying the vegetation adjacent to public egress. Now here's one.
00:58:56.17	Thomas Clark	that not many people realize.
00:58:58.52	Thomas Clark	We not only have sidewalks people walk on that we have to protect fire hardened five feet from the sidewalks, but we have roads and we have stairs. We have four stairways in our that were put in by the federal government during the marineship time.
00:59:17.97	Thomas Clark	They don't appear on any maps in the city.
00:59:21.92	Thomas Clark	because of the fact that they were done before
00:59:25.77	Thomas Clark	The map
00:59:26.88	Thomas Clark	Um,
00:59:28.00	Thomas Clark	the subdivision map
00:59:32.86	Thomas Clark	laws were put into effect by the state of California in
00:59:38.24	Thomas Clark	1924.
00:59:40.37	Thomas Clark	Where are
00:59:41.34	Thomas Clark	Our PUD was established in 1966.
00:59:46.41	Thomas Clark	So they wouldn't appear there. So they're invisible.
00:59:50.07	Thomas Clark	But there they are.
00:59:53.11	Thomas Clark	And there are some ones that we really have to take care of because those are emergency issues.
00:59:58.88	Thomas Clark	exits
01:00:01.48	Thomas Clark	And right now, and Melissa walked through one with us. She knows what it looked like.
01:00:06.66	Thomas Clark	A fire would engulf those stairs in a minute.
01:00:09.64	Thomas Clark	So that's one of our high priorities this year.
01:00:12.83	Thomas Clark	is to really start working on those, those, um,
01:00:16.22	Thomas Clark	I'm Mark Wicks.
01:00:18.01	Thomas Clark	Um,
01:00:18.99	Thomas Clark	Those are so important.
01:00:21.68	Thomas Clark	And if you're coming in and you're locked into a fire problem on
01:00:25.76	Thomas Clark	And you need to get out of
01:00:28.66	Thomas Clark	Thank you.
01:00:29.00	Thomas Clark	Marina.
01:00:30.42	Thomas Clark	Avenue?
01:00:31.30	Thomas Clark	That's the only way.
01:00:34.65	Thomas Clark	Same with the Rana Circle or Kindle Core.
01:00:37.57	Thomas Clark	That's the only way.
01:00:39.93	Thomas Clark	So,
01:00:40.96	Thomas Clark	These are things that
01:00:42.62	Thomas Clark	we were unaware of.
01:00:44.74	Thomas Clark	two years ago.
01:00:47.88	Thomas Clark	So,
01:00:48.86	Thomas Clark	What we would like from the city, if you don't, if I may ask, is we're putting together a letter of your support.
01:00:56.81	Thomas Clark	to be put as a part of the packages that are going out for our grants.
01:01:03.97	Thomas Clark	And we don't have one right here for you now. We're still having to work through that through our legal and want to have it looked at by the Southern Marin Fire District so we get it right.
01:01:16.82	Thomas Clark	And we have some other institutions that want to help support us in this effort around
01:01:22.81	Thomas Clark	So we want them all to join in as well as the county and other state officials that we are working on.
01:01:31.40	Thomas Clark	so that we're there.
01:01:33.83	Thomas Clark	We believe from what we have heard
01:01:37.73	Thomas Clark	that we're very likely to qualify.
01:01:40.26	Thomas Clark	We have enough properties, we're large enough, and our zone is extreme fire danger.
01:01:50.81	Thomas Clark	So that's what we've been doing.
01:01:53.44	Unknown	Thank you very much. Are there questions for...
01:01:55.48	Unknown	Thank you.
01:01:55.50	Thomas Clark	Thank you.
01:01:55.53	Unknown	Mr. Clark, from anyone?
01:01:57.37	Janelle Kelman	I'll just comment. Thank you, Tom. I attended the event. The spinner curve was excellent, really well thought out. And I thought Damon and the vice mayor had really great comments.
01:02:08.06	Janelle Kelman	You mentioned the insurance industry. Have you been under the impression, and I want to say threatened, but feel that there are certain things that are happening where you may lose your insurance or have homeowners had trouble getting insurance in the HOA?
01:02:23.43	Thomas Clark	Yes, that's a growing concern amongst our community.
01:02:27.83	Thomas Clark	And there seems to be
01:02:31.41	Thomas Clark	The organization that's really plugged into that to bridge to the local homeowner is Firewise.
01:02:38.51	Thomas Clark	Firewise has been very much working with, um,
01:02:43.07	Thomas Clark	the insurance companies and keeping track of that. For example, if you're a member of Firewise, our house,
01:02:49.99	Thomas Clark	for example, gets a 2% discount on insurance from State Farm.
01:02:55.39	Thomas Clark	So there's some slight incentives that way, but
01:02:58.63	Thomas Clark	More importantly, you're beginning to see the outline of what future insurance is going to look like.
01:03:05.24	Thomas Clark	Because everything's still up in the air.
01:03:08.64	Thomas Clark	But...
01:03:10.14	Thomas Clark	If we take a step back,
01:03:12.49	Thomas Clark	We're being penalized.
01:03:14.63	Thomas Clark	Because we're in a
01:03:16.53	Thomas Clark	Level five fires out the worst.
01:03:20.91	Thomas Clark	Okay.
01:03:22.49	Thomas Clark	If we can lower our fire zonings,
01:03:25.80	Thomas Clark	We should be able to loan our insurance.
01:03:28.50	Thomas Clark	or get the insurance. If we don't do anything,
01:03:31.94	Thomas Clark	I don't even think we should be entitled to insurance, really.
01:03:35.16	Thomas Clark	I mean, because the status quo is not going to solve the problem.
01:03:40.53	Thomas Clark	So that's kind of where I'm going with all this.
01:03:43.80	Unknown	Okay, the vice mayor has a question.
01:03:47.43	Karen Hollweg	Thank you, Mayor.
01:03:48.21	Karen Hollweg	Tom, you mentioned that you would be seeking the city's support once you
01:03:54.54	Karen Hollweg	had put together a letter and had gotten sign off from
01:03:58.77	Karen Hollweg	Southern Marin Fire and others. Is it possible for you to transmit your proposed letter to
01:04:05.10	Karen Hollweg	the mayor and the city manager once it's prepared so that we can perhaps consider that as a consent item to throw in our support for your efforts. No problem. We can do that.
01:04:18.35	Karen Hollweg	Sounds great. Thank you for all of your work in this arena.
01:04:19.85	Unknown	Thank you.
01:04:23.34	Unknown	Councilmember Blastie.
01:04:24.74	Mark Blastings	Thank you, Tom, very much. And I had the opportunity to walk the Marina Vista sites with you. And indeed, the stairways are frightening. But I was really struck by how engaged your HOA is and how much work you've all done and how much everyone is participating. And I know we have some folks from our fire here. And we know we really need more NRG teams in Sausalito, which is the neighborhood response groups. So I'm wondering if you might be interested in perhaps encouraging other Sausalito residents by hosting some sort of training around what you've done that we might be able to use to recruit some other NRGs on other parts of town.
01:05:03.29	Thomas Clark	Well, we've had discussion about that with individuals, and we think that, and I think the Southern Marine Fire District, we've talked about it, is to really duplicate with what we had done at
01:05:17.48	Thomas Clark	the event at the Spinnaker, only we can expand it.
01:05:20.70	Thomas Clark	to more of emergency response and things of that nature because they can bring some fire trucks and other things maybe, or some really cool stuff you could bring.
01:05:31.70	Thomas Clark	That's just a plug.
01:05:33.66	Thomas Clark	You know?
01:05:34.61	Mark Blastings	Chief Hillary, are you gonna bring me back?
01:05:35.60	Thomas Clark	And make it much more interesting than, than, you know, just old guys talking.
01:05:42.03	Mark Blastings	Great. Thank you so much.
01:05:43.52	Thomas Clark	But we would like to see if we could do that at MLK.
01:05:47.33	Thomas Clark	And the basketball, if they could put a date on, let's say, in October.
01:05:55.23	Thomas Clark	Just an ask.
01:05:57.61	Unknown	Thank you very much, Mr. Clark. Appreciate it. City Clerk, let's take public comment, please, on the 4th of July recap and the community emergency readiness update, please.
01:06:10.11	Babette McDougal	If any members of the public would like to speak on this item, please.
01:06:16.34	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
01:06:16.56	Unknown	Thank you.
01:06:16.59	Babette McDougal	I don't see any speakers. Does anybody want to speak?
01:06:18.77	Unknown	Nobody online. Okay. All right, we'll close public comment on that.
01:06:20.59	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
01:06:24.08	Babette McDougal	I'm sorry, we do have one. All right.
01:06:25.28	Unknown	All right, go right ahead.
01:06:33.41	Unknown	Thank you.
01:06:36.00	Unknown	Can you hear me?
01:06:37.35	Unknown	Go ahead, Mr. Woodside.
01:06:39.02	Stephen Woodside	Hi, I'm Stephen Woodside. I used to live actually on Lincoln and I now live the far south end of town. And I can tell you that
01:06:46.17	Stephen Woodside	what Mr. Clark has discussed
01:06:48.67	Stephen Woodside	certainly is applicable, I think, throughout our city.
01:06:52.11	Stephen Woodside	And we need to take it very, very, very seriously and look for,
01:06:56.28	Stephen Woodside	not only grants, but other mechanisms whereby we may
01:06:59.93	Stephen Woodside	harden our
01:07:01.65	Stephen Woodside	our forests from and provide for defensible space for our city.
01:07:07.59	Stephen Woodside	I used to own a home in Santa Rosa that completely burned down in 2017, along with 600
01:07:13.61	Stephen Woodside	other homes.
01:07:14.99	Stephen Woodside	I take this very seriously. We know about the town of Paradise and other communities that have suffered greatly because of
01:07:22.51	Stephen Woodside	extreme, uh,
01:07:23.97	Stephen Woodside	climate conditions that have created conditions that threaten
01:07:27.47	Stephen Woodside	not only are
01:07:28.93	Stephen Woodside	individual neighborhoods, but the entire city. So,
01:07:31.99	Stephen Woodside	I just want to compliment everyone for the hard work already done on this and to keep paying attention.
01:07:37.83	Stephen Woodside	Thank you.
01:07:41.15	Babette McDougal	See no other comments.
01:07:42.32	Unknown	Thank you.
01:07:42.60	Unknown	All right, we'll close public comment. Move on to mayor's announcements and appointments. Following up on the direction from the last city council meeting to reestablish to the Brown Act Finance Committee. I'm announcing that it's reestablished. I'll appoint myself as mayor and vice mayor Cox to that committee. That's the only announcement and appointment I have.
01:08:01.00	Unknown	Moving on to action minutes of previous meetings. So there's an adoption of the minutes of the June 18th.
01:08:09.11	Unknown	meeting. Is there any public comment on that item?
01:08:12.86	Unknown	Oh, go ahead, Vice Mayor.
01:08:15.56	Karen Hollweg	Yes, Mayor, I wanted to point out a correction for item 5C
01:08:20.32	Karen Hollweg	um,
01:08:21.74	Karen Hollweg	the last portion of it
01:08:24.30	Karen Hollweg	um,
01:08:25.11	Karen Hollweg	The beginning of item
01:08:27.12	Karen Hollweg	demonstrates that Councilmember Hoffman recused herself from this item
01:08:30.51	Karen Hollweg	But then it
01:08:31.64	Karen Hollweg	under the motion, it says that
01:08:34.29	Karen Hollweg	Councilmember Kelman made a motion seconded by Councilmember Hoffman. She actually recused herself
01:08:39.27	Karen Hollweg	from that item and I was the council member who seconded that item.
01:08:44.38	Karen Hollweg	The motion failed
01:08:46.22	Karen Hollweg	not by 3-2, but actually by 2-2, that we failed to take action on that because we voted 2-2.
01:08:51.82	Karen Hollweg	Karen Hollweg, And then, under the eyes, it should say Council Member kelman and Council Member Cox under the nose, it should say Council Member blasting and mayor sobiesky and then it should indicate that Council Member Hoffman recused herself from the discussion of that item.
01:09:09.98	Unknown	so noted with consent. Go ahead, Councilmember Helmut.
01:09:13.02	Janelle Kelman	And you asked for comments on the meeting minutes as well.
01:09:16.72	Unknown	Yeah, the June 18th meeting. Yeah.
01:09:18.71	Janelle Kelman	Okay, I think we had a member of the public write in and talk about the lack of listing of different members of the public who made comment. And I don't know how detailed we normally get, but I just want to note, as Babette McDougall submitted a letter, I just want to note for the record that that was a comment made, and it may have been to the...
01:09:39.48	Janelle Kelman	our last city council meeting not the june 18th meeting i have to go back and check but i just want to note sorry what is
01:09:44.14	Babette McDougal	What is the comment?
01:09:45.77	Janelle Kelman	The comment is that the meeting where we looked at a lot of the marineship stuff, there was a significant amount of public comment, and so our meeting minutes don't really capture that public comment, and so there was concern of public comment.
01:09:56.76	Babette McDougal	And for clarification, we do action minutes. We don't do summary minutes. That's what's advised by the IIMC and by the CCAC. And it's also been advised. And actually, Sergio can talk about that. Wait.
01:10:10.73	Janelle Kelman	Great. Thank you, Wofford. That's exactly what I wanted you to put into the record. So thank you.
01:10:14.97	Karen Hollweg	And then I will note that with respect to the discussion of the Marinship Blue Economy Innovation District Initiative.
01:10:21.67	Karen Hollweg	The minutes do list the members of the public who offered public comment on that item.
01:10:29.89	Unknown	Is there any public comment on the action minutes from June 18th? Seeing none. All right, we'll close public comment. And is there a motion to approve the minutes as modified by Vice Mayor Cox?
01:10:44.72	Mark Blastings	So moved. Second.
01:10:46.86	Unknown	All right. We do need to do a roll call vote, city clerk.
01:10:49.88	Babette McDougal	Councilmember Blaustein?
01:10:52.56	Mark Blastings	Yes.
01:10:53.59	Babette McDougal	Councilmember Hoffman.
01:10:57.74	Babette McDougal	Councillor Hoffman.
01:11:01.58	Babette McDougal	Is that a yes? No, I don't hear the mic.
01:11:04.65	Babette McDougal	Okay, thumbs up, that's a yes.
01:11:06.30	Babette McDougal	Councilmember Cullen.
01:11:07.15	Babette McDougal	Can you guys hear me? Vice Mayor Cox?
01:11:07.95	Unknown	Thank you.
01:11:08.70	Unknown	And
01:11:09.90	Babette McDougal	Yes. And Mayor Sobieski.
01:11:12.32	Unknown	Yes, we'll move on to the consent calendar. These are matters generally considered routine and non-controversial and require no discussion and will be passed as a single motion. However, any city council member can remove any of the items from the consent agenda and we will hear them as business items. So the consent calendar items are 3A, adopt a resolution approving the application for an execution of grant funds from the ocean protection council under the safe drinking water water quality supply flood control river and coastal protection bond act of 2006 prop 68 environmental license plate funds once through cooling or our general funds 3b sa, Sausalito Police Department's Crime and Traffic Report for calendar year 2024, second quarter year to date report.
01:12:04.20	Unknown	Item 3C, adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute a professional services agreement with VR House and Associates for on-call services not to exceed $60,000. Item 3D, receive and file a report relating to parking prohibitions under California Assembly Bill 413. Item 3E, adopt a resolution approving an encroachment agreement for the construction of a 42 inch wood fence in the public right away of 96 Harrison Avenue item 3f adoption of a resolution approving an encroachment agreement for the in-kind replacement of a 610 square foot elevated car parking deck that was destroyed in the February 14th 2019 landslide at 412 414 Susslito Boulevard. 3G authorized the city manager to execute a professional services agreement with Goldfarb and Lipman LLP for an as-needed advisory service in an amount not to exceed $50,000. Item 3H reappointment of Andrew Jernius to the Planning Commission for a three-year term commencing on july 17 2024 and ending june 30th 2027 item 3i adopt a resolution approving the city's revised publicly available pay schedule effective july 1st 2024 does any council member wish to remove any item from consent
01:13:24.10	Janelle Kelman	Mayor, I do not wish to remove it, but I just wanted to share that I...
01:13:27.22	Unknown	I'm sure...
01:13:28.24	Janelle Kelman	shared with the city manager as to item 3B, the South Sea Police Department's annual report. I ask that future reports include some additional information around response times and call for service data, as well as personal information on staffing levels, et cetera. So I had that conversation with the city manager, and it's part of his understanding as well.
01:13:50.29	Unknown	Okay. So let's take public comment on the consent calendar, city clerk.
01:13:58.44	Babette McDougal	Sorry, one woman, please.
01:14:03.64	Unknown	Is there anyone?
01:14:04.64	Unknown	Online or?
01:14:04.69	Babette McDougal	online? Yeah, we do have public comment. Do we have Peter Van Meter? You heard Adam 3?
01:14:17.80	Unknown	Good evening, I want to talk about item 3H, the reappointment of Planning Commissioner Andrew Junius. I'm so glad that he's chosen to reapply for this position. There should never be an automatic renewal of a Planning Commissioner. They should reapply just as he's done. That's the appropriate process.
01:14:35.28	Unknown	And he certainly deserves his reappointment.
01:14:37.66	Unknown	Here's an individual who has been fair in his deliberations, who is articulate, who is thoughtful, and has done an excellent job in his first term as a planning commissioner.
01:14:47.87	Unknown	Also, he has a level of expertise, being an expert in the field of commercial property, residential property, real estate, that is a very big resource to the Planning Commission here in Sausalito. So he certainly deserves a reappointment, and I wholeheartedly endorse that and hope that you do the same. Thank you.
01:15:07.24	Babette McDougal	Next speaker is Lisa B. Pierpont.
01:15:15.07	Babette McDougal	Lisa?
01:15:17.16	Babette McDougal	This is gone. All right. We have a ton on zoom.
01:15:26.09	Eitan Elio	I just want to introduce myself. My name is Eitan Elio and
01:15:32.08	Eitan Elio	I'm a resident in Sausalito for the last two years, and I'm totally opposing Commissioner
01:15:43.25	Eitan Elio	for the next appointment. You shouldn't be appointed even the previous one. There are a couple of conflict of interest and
01:15:57.56	Eitan Elio	in, as I perceive it, is abuse of power. I just today morning filed an official complaint and sent it to the clerk and copied the honorable mayor. And I would like this complaint to be considered before any decision takes place.
01:16:24.31	Babette McDougal	Thank you very much.
01:16:25.29	Babette McDougal	Thank you. Now for this public speaker.
01:16:25.34	Eitan Elio	Thank you.
01:16:27.87	Unknown	Okay, we'll close public comment. Is there a motion on the consent calendar?
01:16:32.39	Mark Blastings	So moved.
01:16:33.66	Unknown	Give me a second.
01:16:34.39	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
01:16:34.40	Unknown	Thank you.
01:16:34.50	Jill Hoffman	Thank you.
01:16:34.52	Mark Blastings	I'll second.
01:16:35.21	Unknown	again.
01:16:35.70	Babette McDougal	The world called
01:16:36.26	Unknown	please
01:16:37.44	Babette McDougal	Council member Blastin?
01:16:39.33	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
01:16:39.35	Ms. Merrill	Yes.
01:16:39.58	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
01:16:40.24	Babette McDougal	Councilmember Hoffman.
01:16:42.08	Ms. Merrill	Yes.
01:16:43.09	Babette McDougal	Council Member Cohen.
01:16:44.10	Ms. Merrill	Yes.
01:16:45.29	Babette McDougal	Vice Mayor Cox.
01:16:46.69	Babette McDougal	Yes.
01:16:47.43	Babette McDougal	and Maris Obieski.
01:16:49.20	Unknown	yes moving on the public hearing items of which we have none we'll now move on to our first business item item 5a receive and file a report regarding becoming a charter city
01:16:57.96	Unknown	or provide and or provide direction to staff regarding becoming a charter city.
01:17:03.58	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
01:17:03.61	Karen Hollweg	I know.
01:17:03.71	Mark Blastings	I'll just make my hands or hands.
01:17:04.35	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:17:04.40	Unknown	Thank you.
01:17:04.57	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:17:04.66	Unknown	or something. Oh, sorry, Vice Mayor Cox,
01:17:04.76	Karen Hollweg	Oh, sorry.
01:17:06.06	Karen Hollweg	Sorry about that. You know, I forgot to do this before closed session and I forgot to do it after closed session. I need to note for the record that I recused myself.
01:17:15.07	Karen Hollweg	from one of the closed session items, which was the second item
01:17:20.57	Karen Hollweg	A conference with real property negotiator regarding the mlk school site. I did recuse myself from that item and did not participate in the discussion of that item in closed session and I apologize for not noting the record sooner. Thank you.
01:17:34.46	Unknown	Thanks, Vice Mayor. Let's be sure to note that in a minute, City Clerk, for that closed session item. 5A, is that going to be handled by City?
01:17:44.42	Unknown	manager or Sergio, Mr. the attorney.
01:17:47.76	Sergio	So I will provide a brief staff presentation on this item. We previously came and brought this item before the City Council discuss whether or not the city would like to proceed with becoming a charter city. The general deliberations and feedback from the Council was this was an issue that
01:18:05.19	Sergio	The Council wanted to further explore and to have additional time to discuss.
01:18:09.97	Sergio	Again, as I previously overviewed, you know, the time frame to prepare a charter and to adopt it requires significant public input and work.
01:18:21.29	Sergio	Um,
01:18:23.01	Sergio	Additionally, there's no real ability for the city to complete this effort in order to put a charter on the ballot for an election for November 2024.
01:18:32.36	Sergio	Um,
01:18:33.40	Sergio	And that there has been some interest expressed by individual council members as to whether to move forward and how to move forward.
01:18:43.77	Sergio	on preparing a city charter. There's a handful of ways that the city can go about doing this. One is to, of course, try to get a charter commission
01:18:54.89	Sergio	That would be advisory to the council and would work on a preparing a charter.
01:18:59.22	Sergio	Another option is, of course, the city council can try to prepare or try to select members to work on an ad hoc group with the city attorney to prepare charter.
01:19:08.22	Sergio	And then additionally, there's a number of
01:19:10.46	Sergio	you know, questions in terms of
01:19:12.67	Sergio	what kind of charter government the city may want to try to go down the path of forming, whether that's a strong mayor or a strong council type of government. And additionally, there'll be a lot of questions about what are the powers for, say, a city manager, um,
01:19:31.02	Sergio	and whether you'd like the form of city government to continue
01:19:35.79	Sergio	you know, and be modeled on the council city manager form of government that you presently have.
01:19:42.25	Sergio	Those are some of the issues that would need to be addressed if the Council wants to move forward with
01:19:48.78	Sergio	going down the path of a charter city is, you know,
01:19:52.82	Sergio	What process do you want to take and also
01:19:57.20	Sergio	How would you like to go about deciding some of the bigger issues about structure of a charter?
01:20:05.26	Unknown	Thank you, City Attorney, Council Member Kelman.
01:20:07.55	Janelle Kelman	Sergio, can you identify any Marine County cities that are charter cities?
01:20:14.08	Sergio	I can.
01:20:17.03	Janelle Kelman	Thanks, Dan Rafal.
01:20:18.15	Sergio	Yeah.
01:20:19.26	Sergio	I believe San Rafael is. I'm pulling up the list of charter cities that the Cal cities maintains. San Rafael is...
01:20:31.19	Sergio	That may be the only one. I believe Tiburon is not.
01:20:37.76	Janelle Kelman	So I'd like to provide that for people's reflection. And then my second question is, there have been some recent case law, I think Redondo Beach and elsewhere, regarding land use and housing policy and the role of charter cities. Are you able to give just a quick summary of that as compared to a general law city?
01:20:37.84	Sergio	That's right.
01:20:57.47	Sergio	Um,
01:20:58.23	Sergio	So in the staff report, there is some discussion about the potential advantages of being a charter city. You know, there is generally greater local control over municipal affairs.
01:21:09.38	Sergio	There's additional benefits in terms of the city being able to charge
01:21:15.45	Sergio	Um,
01:21:16.60	Sergio	document transfer taxes that are in excess of what general law city can charge. So there is potential additional revenue sources.
01:21:26.51	Sergio	the charter city has some more flexibility in planning matters. For example, you're not limited in how many general plan amendments you can adopt per year.
01:21:35.92	Sergio	There are additional processes with regards to public works projects where you have additional flexibility. Procedures with respect to revenue bond financing, again, you get more flexibility on some of those issues. Your ability to grant franchises, which again, another big revenue generating function.
01:21:55.13	Sergio	With respect to housing specifically, the courts are generally moving in the direction of applying state housing laws to charter cities and finding that housing is a matter of
01:22:06.99	Sergio	regional and or statewide concerns such that it trumps the charter city authority to regulate purely municipal affairs. So recently SB 35 was held to apply to charter cities. There have been other decisions that
01:22:21.82	Sergio	indicate all of the provisions of Housing Accountability Act apply to charter cities. That was the City of San Mateo decision.
01:22:28.57	Sergio	So,
01:22:30.08	Sergio	Um,
01:22:31.80	Sergio	you know, there's
01:22:33.67	Sergio	I would not expect significant benefits on the housing side. There was a trial court decision that recently held that five charter cities were not subject to SB 9.
01:22:46.09	Sergio	Now it's expected that one, that the AG's office is likely to appeal that decision and two, there is a likelihood that the state may, state legislature may just simply change SB 9 to more clearly apply to charter cities, so.
01:22:57.28	Unknown	Thank you.
01:23:01.68	Unknown	Vice Mayor?
01:23:03.34	Karen Hollweg	Yes.
01:23:05.63	Karen Hollweg	Thank you for that question, Council Member
01:23:08.13	Karen Hollweg	Kelly Cervantes- Kelman as it now stands as now you know enunciated charter cities do have more discretion and authority to manage their housing affairs, so I think that's something important for us to consider, but I also wanted to.
01:23:22.15	Karen Hollweg	ask the city manager if he could repeat some of the financial benefits available to the city, should it choose to become a charter city.
01:23:31.84	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
01:23:31.96	Stephen Woodside	Thank you.
01:23:32.61	Karen Hollweg	May I also note that the camera for the Sausalito City Council
01:23:36.53	Karen Hollweg	is has the name Michael Healy underneath of it.
01:23:41.19	Karen Hollweg	And I think the attendee is actually
01:23:43.43	Karen Hollweg	the Sausalito City Council.
01:23:46.54	Babette McDougal	Yeah, we've been trying to change that.
01:23:48.04	Unknown	That's on Marin TV.
01:23:50.00	Unknown	Okay. I can respond to that question as quickly as I can regarding what the financial benefits might be if a charter city is adopted in Sausalito. San Leandro is a charter city. Anaheim is a charter city. The one that the city attorney mentioned about the property transfer tax and the ability of a general law city to be capped at, I believe it's 50 cents per thousand, and that cap not applying to charter cities. That's an actual revenue opportunity that was taken advantage of in San Leandro. In addition, when there are various projects, some of the bid requirements and ability for the city to issue different types of bidding is really beneficial and could also save the city money. Those are the two that I would highlight off the top of my head. I can look for some more and bring those back to you at a later date if that's the council's desire.
01:24:46.02	Karen Hollweg	May I ask a follow-on question
01:24:48.03	Unknown	Thank you.
01:24:48.08	Unknown	Go right ahead.
01:24:48.55	Unknown	Thank you.
01:24:48.89	Karen Hollweg	We've received some public comment
01:24:51.84	Karen Hollweg	concerned about the cost.
01:24:53.90	Karen Hollweg	of becoming a charter city. And can someone please comment
01:24:57.61	Karen Hollweg	on the cost versus benefit analysis.
01:25:04.08	Sergio	Um,
01:25:05.04	Sergio	I'll give a guesstimate as to the cost. The cost is generally going to be the cost of preparing a charter. And again, I think –
01:25:15.11	Sergio	That is going to be primarily the costs of drafting and legal review, depending on how extensive or complicated your charter is.
01:25:23.60	Sergio	You know, my guess would probably be, you know, $5,000 to $10,000 in terms of time and expense of preparing a draft charter. Now, of course, I suspect that there'll probably be...
01:25:35.75	Sergio	several city council meetings to work on what a draft charter may look like. And then additionally, by state law, you're required to have two public hearings on the charter before you place it on the ballot. Then in terms of the additional costs following that, you know, it's the cost of having a measure on the ballot. So typically, I think for the city, those costs have usually been under $30,000 for the cost of the election.
01:26:02.87	Sergio	perhaps the city clerk can confirm that figure, but I understand that
01:26:07.07	Sergio	generally the cost for the city for putting something on the ballot are not
01:26:12.13	Sergio	Largely significant.
01:26:13.47	Babette McDougal	Yeah, it'll probably be somewhere around 18,000 to 20,000.
01:26:18.61	John Paul	Thank you.
01:26:23.02	Unknown	Councilmember Blastings.
01:26:24.67	Mark Blastings	Thank you. Thanks for that overview, Sergio. I appreciate it. So in the staff report, you note that given the requirements for
01:26:33.78	Mark Blastings	taking on a charter city, essentially the 21 days notification, and then the two additional meetings and the 21 day notification afterwards, this timeline is not,
01:26:42.34	Mark Blastings	feasible for the November 2024 election, correct?
01:26:45.56	Sergio	Yeah, that's correct.
01:26:47.08	Mark Blastings	Okay, so the main purpose of the discussion is to bring forward the issue today and ask some questions about it.
01:26:53.49	Sergio	Yes, and to the extent you'd like to start, you know, I think this is generally going to be a process that requires a lot of legal work and then, of course, public outreach, public involvement. You know, there's a six-month period before you can really put it on the ballot even after the draft is done.
01:27:14.35	Mark Blastings	And clarify for me, would it be the city council who's responsible for the contents of that draft, a citizen council? How would we be able to involve residents?
01:27:22.74	Sergio	Ultimately, that choice is up to you. There is a requirement that if the charter is drafted by the council, that you have to have two public hearings on the matter. Additionally, if you would like to form a charter commission, and there is a process under the state law where you can have an elected charter commission formed to draft your charter. That would actually be a much longer process for preparing a charter, but that would generally take it out of the council's hands entirely.
01:27:58.36	Sergio	So.
01:27:59.63	Mark Blastings	And help me understand, I mean, I can see where there may be given the court ruling precedence around state law, where the benefits might be, but what are some of the common risks associated with establishing a charter city that's outside the bounds of typical state and county city relationships?
01:28:19.73	Sergio	There aren't really legal disadvantages to having or becoming a charter city. I mean, the main ones are, you know, again, the time and the effort of...
01:28:31.49	Sergio	preparing a charter taking away from other projects that you know the city council may want to undertake or that staff have to do so there's a workload issue. There's the expenses which we've already gone over. There is I think really the big issue is.
01:28:49.76	Sergio	When you become a charter city, there's usually questions of first impression that will come up as to whether or not a matter is within your charter authority or whether it's a matter of statewide concern.
01:29:00.92	Sergio	Um, so, you know, there is a little bit more legal uncertainty, uh, that occasionally comes up with charter cities and, you know, whether or not something's within their powers. But other than those issues, I don't know that there's a, you know, a, a,
01:29:15.19	Sergio	a certain drawback in becoming a charter city.
01:29:18.28	Mark Blastings	We have an example, for instance, in San Rafael, and I understand this is a preliminary discussion. So if we haven't yet done the research where an issue came before the council that was maybe outside the bounds of what the charter city was able to achieve that otherwise would have been implementable with the general issue.
01:29:35.17	Mark Blastings	City Council Incorporation.
01:29:37.98	Sergio	So.
01:29:38.92	Sergio	Charter cities will normally have all of the powers of a general law city. So again, there's no sort of disadvantage or limitation in becoming a charter city over a general law city. Charter cities generally have broader powers over municipal affairs and have more flexibility in how they operate, subject only to the restrictions of their charter.
01:30:03.90	Sergio	So,
01:30:06.56	Sergio	I'm not sure that I can
01:30:09.26	Sergio	Mark.
01:30:10.68	Sergio	I'm not sure I necessarily understand what your question is getting at.
01:30:14.51	Mark Blastings	I'm just trying to understand when we might be challenged by an application of, for instance, a housing policy or a municipal code amendment that would then otherwise require approval or engagement with the state that might not have if we were in a charter city.
01:30:29.53	Sergio	I'm not aware of any such requirement. Charter cities are required to comply with housing element law. But other than and there are some mandatory requirements in the state general plan law for what you have to have in your general plan, but they're all applicable to general law cities already. So, again, no extra requirements for being a charter city.
01:30:50.39	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
01:30:50.42	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:30:50.45	Mark Blastings	Okay.
01:30:50.59	Karen Hollweg	Thank you so much.
01:30:52.06	Unknown	Vice President, you have another question?
01:30:53.90	Karen Hollweg	Karen Hollweg, I actually wanted to comment on Council Member blouse teams question one challenge for charter cities is that charter cities that choose not to follow the public contract code. Karen Hollweg, or to adopt the public contract code may find limitations on state funding of their public projects, because the state is very invested in having.
01:31:15.60	John Paul	Thank you.
01:31:15.61	Karen Hollweg	its municipalities follow the public contract code. So that is one
01:31:19.14	Karen Hollweg	challenge for charter cities, assuming on how they deal with the public contract code. But as the
01:31:25.50	Karen Hollweg	city manager pointed out,
01:31:27.56	Karen Hollweg	Um,
01:31:28.61	Karen Hollweg	the flexibility
01:31:29.98	Karen Hollweg	that is available to a charter city and how it procures its public projects can be very advantageous.
01:31:39.05	Unknown	Okay, any other questions from the dais?
01:31:42.58	Unknown	All right. Can we take public comment, Mr. City Clerk?
01:31:49.04	Babette McDougal	People, sorry, people in the
01:31:52.96	Babette McDougal	Anyone here in the audience? Anyone here in the audience? Ms. Brown?
01:31:54.14	Unknown	You want to hear in the audience?
01:31:57.28	Babette McDougal	You could have a speaker slip there. That would be good. But if not, you just kind of go up.
01:31:57.72	Unknown	Come right in.
01:32:06.17	Ms. Merrill	Good evening.
01:32:07.98	Ms. Merrill	Um, do you want a speaker slip?
01:32:10.59	Ms. Merrill	Care? Okay.
01:32:12.79	Ms. Merrill	You know me, I'm conservative.
01:32:15.98	Ms. Merrill	in all ways except some. And...
01:32:21.22	Ms. Merrill	And, um,
01:32:22.79	Ms. Merrill	I don't understand why.
01:32:26.73	Ms. Merrill	why this is a conversation.
01:32:28.73	Ms. Merrill	Why it needs to be changed, why we have this city that needs to be somehow changed.
01:32:35.72	Ms. Merrill	Charter cities are for big cities. The biggest one in Marin...
01:32:41.22	Ms. Merrill	Mn County is San Rafael.
01:32:43.85	Ms. Merrill	And there they have one. And then probably San Francisco is one, probably, you know.
01:32:49.61	Ms. Merrill	all over the
01:32:51.16	Ms. Merrill	country.
01:32:52.39	Ms. Merrill	or, um,
01:32:53.83	Ms. Merrill	Why?
01:32:54.81	Ms. Merrill	This little tiny town that's probably the smallest one in all of Marin County.
01:32:59.55	Ms. Merrill	Need to have these fancy, big...
01:33:03.31	Ms. Merrill	highfalutin ideas. I see it as a power grab by...
01:33:11.38	Ms. Merrill	all kinds of things like the, as I understand it, the city council can do,
01:33:19.39	Ms. Merrill	appoint people to the city council and they don't actually have to live in
01:33:25.50	Ms. Merrill	in the town.
01:33:27.07	Ms. Merrill	Um,
01:33:27.78	Ms. Merrill	That's what it says in the description.
01:33:34.39	Ms. Merrill	if I'm getting it right. And,
01:33:37.87	Ms. Merrill	the, um, the mayor can appoint people, um, to be on the city council and, um,
01:33:46.75	Ms. Merrill	um,
01:33:47.89	Ms. Merrill	It's just...
01:33:50.22	Ms. Merrill	We just don't need this in this little town. We're doing fine. We have been doing fine until all of a sudden,
01:33:58.24	Ms. Merrill	It feels like
01:33:59.57	Ms. Merrill	people want more than
01:34:02.61	Ms. Merrill	We used to need. Thank you.
01:34:05.95	Babette McDougal	Any other speakers?
01:34:11.11	Mr. Moore	Hi, my name is Fred Moore. I've missed some ignorance on the charter cities versus general law cities. Other than generically, I've always heard that charter cities provide a little more flexibility than a general law city. However, I was curious if anybody legal or otherwise could expound on, given that overall understanding, why is there a significant abundance of general law cities versus charter law cities. The ratio is heavily granted toward general law cities, so I'm not sure if anybody understands why more cities aren't going to a charter city other than preparing the charter. Thanks.
01:34:48.90	Unknown	Thank you, Mr. Moore. Are there any, oh, Mr. Genius.
01:34:53.74	Andrew Junius	B
01:34:53.89	Andrew Junius	Council members, Andrew Junius, Sausalito residents. Fascinating issue for government wonks like me. Um...
01:35:00.62	Andrew Junius	Good news is we've got an expert on the city council. I think city councilwoman talks as a, you know, this is what she does. And I think you're lucky to have her in closed session or whenever you guys chat about these kind of issues. So that's excellent. I also want to thank.
01:35:17.40	Andrew Junius	Council Member Kelman for raising the housing issue because that I think that is kind of key. It's the timing here is interesting in that that city of Bernardo Beach case was in the news a couple months ago. And I do think that the attorney general has appealed, filed a notice of appeal of that case. So the SB 9 case with respect to application of charter cities will be going to the court of appeal. And if I had to bet, I would bet that the court of appeal is going to rule like they have everything else. So I think the city is kind of stuck on that, but complicated issue, interesting options. I think the issues about complexity are real ones. I think it is complex. I think there's a process that, you know, may get contentious in the city. I don't really have a feeling one way or the other, frankly, in terms of whether it's the right thing, but it is a, it is a, a small town for, for a big process. And, and I do think, frankly, the reason why a lot of small towns don't do it is because it is complicated and, you know, small towns can fall back on general law. And that's what most California cities do. So thank you.
01:36:22.45	Babette McDougal	Anybody else in here?
01:36:24.60	Babette McDougal	All right. Can we get Stephen Woodside?
01:36:31.09	Stephen Woodside	Hi, I'm very familiar with charter counties, having represented a charter county for more than 25 years.
01:36:39.50	Stephen Woodside	I've also represented charter cities and I think it gives on occasion charter city.
01:36:45.40	Stephen Woodside	the upper hand on issues that it really, really cares about.
01:36:50.52	Stephen Woodside	Let me give you an example related to housing.
01:36:53.40	Stephen Woodside	the California legislature directed
01:36:56.12	Stephen Woodside	that in every industrial zone,
01:36:58.26	Stephen Woodside	There shall be.
01:37:00.19	Stephen Woodside	housing.
01:37:02.04	Stephen Woodside	Sausalito may well want to stand up and say, no, not here, not in the marine ship. For example, I'm not advocating one way or another as to that issue, but I do think
01:37:11.76	Stephen Woodside	It's worth taking a look at.
01:37:14.55	Stephen Woodside	The advantages that I think Sergio has very carefully described
01:37:19.61	Stephen Woodside	And there's not too many downsides. I understand Alice Merrill
01:37:24.45	Stephen Woodside	believes that perhaps a charter city can change the way of council elections and appointments. I don't think that's the case.
01:37:31.79	Stephen Woodside	But I do think this is a topic that's worth
01:37:34.61	Stephen Woodside	taking seriously.
01:37:36.25	Stephen Woodside	Personally, I think there's great advantage in local government.
01:37:40.11	Stephen Woodside	um, deciding things at the local level.
01:37:42.91	Stephen Woodside	All five of you do a great job. You work very hard.
01:37:46.22	Stephen Woodside	We have the opportunity to come and appear before you to express our support or disagreement on different policies.
01:37:54.49	Stephen Woodside	Compare that to going to Sacramento.
01:37:56.92	Stephen Woodside	and trying to influence something of statewide concern where, frankly, the political gravitas is in Los Angeles.
01:38:03.75	Stephen Woodside	and many in Northern California and in small cities like Del Mar or Solvang,
01:38:08.61	Stephen Woodside	have chosen to be charter cities in part,
01:38:11.45	Stephen Woodside	to protect themselves against an overreach by the state government.
01:38:15.35	Stephen Woodside	These are things that we can and should be talking about. And I think I'd be very happy to participate in those discussions as they come forward.
01:38:23.33	Stephen Woodside	Thank you.
01:38:27.87	Babette McDougal	Okay, Sandra Bushmaker.
01:38:30.99	Sandra Bushmaker	Good evening, everybody.
01:38:32.64	Sandra Bushmaker	Um,
01:38:33.96	Sandra Bushmaker	One of the thoughts that occurred to me about this is why are we doing this? Is our general law city broken?
01:38:39.93	Sandra Bushmaker	I'm not sure that it is. So I would want a real clear statement from this council why we are doing this. And also a very clear statement that,
01:38:47.81	Sandra Bushmaker	on the advantages and disadvantages. Obviously, public
01:38:53.08	Sandra Bushmaker	public outreach is going to be really, really important because I foresee a culture change
01:38:58.46	Sandra Bushmaker	in our city council and our city government.
01:39:02.55	Sandra Bushmaker	I question whether we need in Sausalito a quote strong mayor and a strong city manager.
01:39:09.60	Sandra Bushmaker	I also noted on the chart, and this was very upsetting to me when I looked at that, and it should raise a big concern
01:39:17.19	Sandra Bushmaker	particularly in light of the other business item you have on the agenda, is that the council under a charter city
01:39:23.23	Sandra Bushmaker	decides the qualifications for city council.
01:39:27.32	Sandra Bushmaker	which could include non-residents.
01:39:30.49	Sandra Bushmaker	And I think we need to be very, very careful about that particular matter.
01:39:36.04	Sandra Bushmaker	So,
01:39:37.54	Sandra Bushmaker	I would like
01:39:39.94	Sandra Bushmaker	the council to explain why we are dealing with this at this time in Sausalito.
01:39:45.15	Sandra Bushmaker	And in light of the costs of this endeavor,
01:39:48.75	Sandra Bushmaker	when we have a budget deficit,
01:39:50.86	Sandra Bushmaker	I really want a strong justification of moving forward.
01:39:54.49	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
01:40:00.29	Babette McDougal	Okay, no further speaker. All right. Well, sorry, one more, one more, one more. Babette McDougall?
01:40:01.47	Unknown	Thank you.
01:40:01.49	Sandra Bushmaker	All right.
01:40:01.79	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
01:40:01.81	Sandra Bushmaker	Bye.
01:40:01.86	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
01:40:01.91	Unknown	Thank you.
01:40:09.42	Babette McDougall	Can you actually hear me?
01:40:11.12	Unknown	Yes, go right ahead, Ms. McDougal.
01:40:13.49	Babette McDougall	So bear with me. I'm suffering from a lung infection, so I will speak more slowly. So please don't just disarm me after the buzzer goes off.
01:40:22.69	Babette McDougall	So let me just say that you are being asked to address this issue.
01:40:28.29	Babette McDougall	I'm sorry.
01:40:30.67	Babette McDougall	because
01:40:32.20	Babette McDougall	precisely because of what...
01:40:34.55	Babette McDougall	Mr. Woodhouse just said.
01:40:36.51	Babette McDougall	Thank you, Mr. Woodhouse.
01:40:38.35	Babette McDougall	That's exactly the key concern for even, that's why up and down the state of California,
01:40:44.20	Babette McDougall	people are now suddenly saying maybe we need to become a charter city there's no other protection otherwise we are in the as you know nationally speaking everyone's speaking about a potential change in government in the next election not just the people whether it's blue or red but the type of government well the same is true in the state of california
01:41:04.75	Babette McDougall	Perhaps you all don't know that.
01:41:07.20	Babette McDougall	And perhaps some of you do.
01:41:08.90	Babette McDougall	Because this issue of overreach that Mr. Woodhouse references is actually much more sinister than we know.
01:41:15.11	Babette McDougall	There is actually a whole new government ready to take over in California. So we have to decide where we want to stand. And I say we need to dig in. I like the idea of being stronger for ourselves. I'm not saying we have to be a charter city. I just know we need to get a lot stronger. And if that's what it takes.
01:41:32.48	Babette McDougall	Then I say we start there. Thank you.
01:41:36.95	Unknown	Thank you. Google.
01:41:38.72	Babette McDougal	No, for the speakers.
01:41:39.40	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:41:39.45	Babette McDougal	to be able to do it.
01:41:39.52	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:41:39.53	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
01:41:39.99	Unknown	We'll close public comment, and is there a discussion on the dais, Vice Mayor Cox?
01:41:45.19	Karen Hollweg	Thank you, Mayor. I'm actually one of the people who asked that we consider
01:41:49.66	Karen Hollweg	this moving forward, and one of the primary reasons was the home rule authority and the obtaining of potentially additional authority over matters governed by Sacramento. So one of my campaign slogans years ago was not one size fits all.
01:42:12.64	Karen Hollweg	And I find it unfortunate that with respect to housing laws and other mandates handed down by the state of California, legislators are not particularly aware of the impacts on smaller towns such as ours. I do want to point out that, you know, there are 121 charter cities in California, and there are cities smaller than ours, which are charter cities such as Big Bear Lake, Del Mar, Solvang, and there are other comparably sized cities that are charter cities. And so it's not a matter of size. It's a matter of wherewithal. And all of the concerns raised by public speakers about the authority under a charter will be addressed.
01:43:02.24	Karen Hollweg	in the authorship of the charter. And so our charter can specifically mandate that we are still subject to most of
01:43:12.80	Karen Hollweg	the municipal laws of the state of California, but we get to
01:43:17.12	Karen Hollweg	customize other laws to better suit Sausalito's specific needs. And so I think that's where the advantage comes. I think that...
01:43:27.41	Karen Hollweg	We are at a good time.
01:43:29.36	Karen Hollweg	to consider this matter when you have experts such as Stephen Woodside, former county council in various municipalities, myself, a municipal lawyer for cities and counties around the state, I think that we are uniquely
01:43:44.26	Karen Hollweg	qualified to author a charter that will well suit Sausalito's needs, not just today, but moving into the future. Thank you.
01:43:55.68	Unknown	Who else would like to be recognized?
01:43:59.26	Unknown	Anyone? Going once?
01:44:03.16	Mark Blastings	If you just remember.
01:44:03.55	Unknown	Cause you remember blasting.
01:44:05.03	Mark Blastings	Sure. I mean, I'm happy to just comment on the issue. I appreciate this being brought forward for discussion. I would like to see a lot more.
01:44:14.18	Mark Blastings	research as to
01:44:15.93	Mark Blastings	the benefits of establishing a charter city, the amount of time, the consideration required, the staff time.
01:44:22.39	Mark Blastings	I understand the
01:44:23.68	Mark Blastings	interest in
01:44:24.96	Mark Blastings	local control given
01:44:27.17	Mark Blastings	the situations of the aggressive mandates at the state level right now.
01:44:31.02	Mark Blastings	I wouldn't want to jump to the...
01:44:33.45	Mark Blastings	immediate action of establishing a charter city without more significant discussion. My understanding is that
01:44:40.21	Mark Blastings	This is the beginning of having a conversation about what a charter city might look like, and I'm certainly comfortable with that discussion getting started, but I would need much more information about what our charter would or wouldn't look like, what are the benefits, and more importantly, what are the risks of funding loss, because I'm deeply concerned about what it would mean if we lost access to some of our much-needed state and county funding.
01:45:03.25	Mark Blastings	for taking this kind of action. But again, I'm open to continuing the conversation
01:45:08.66	Mark Blastings	and appreciate that it was brought forward.
01:45:14.59	Unknown	Councilmember Hoffman.
01:45:16.87	Jill Hoffman	Thank you. I think, you know, thank you for the staff report, actually, Sergio from our city attorney, letting us know what the process is, right? So, I mean, I think that should give people some comfort that it's not, you know, it's an involved process and there's a lot of votes that have to happen. And I think it does merit further discussion. Again, you know, as everybody else has said, we are in a significant deficit right now. We do have high priority items. The third one notable on our agenda tonight, we're cutting funding for roads because of our agenda, I assume. I'm sorry, our budget, our current deficit budget. So, I mean, I do, that is a priority, I think, our lens that we look at and what makes it on our agenda, what takes up staff time.
01:45:19.79	Unknown	Yeah.
01:45:20.01	Unknown	Thank you.
01:46:00.22	Unknown	I mean, I...
01:46:08.49	Jill Hoffman	But having said that, I would be interested in knowing more about some of the concerns that were raised and how we could address that in the charter and protections that I believe that we could probably come up with. But also a little bit more specifics on the benefits. And I think that's probably what people are interested in. I do think that would give us more local control, I think, and more protections against state mandates. I think it's probably something that merits further discussion and further
01:46:34.07	Unknown	you know,
01:46:37.65	Unknown	Thank you.
01:46:45.48	Jill Hoffman	Thank you.
01:46:46.35	Jill Hoffman	investigation. And so, and you know, this sounds to me like it's going to be some kind of a subcommittee. I wouldn't at this time, task force, maybe. I wouldn't want to direct staff time for this or those sort of city assets, but I think this merits further discussion and I'm interested in hearing more about that.
01:47:07.38	Jill Hoffman	And learn more about it.
01:47:11.85	Janelle Kelman	Sure, I'll just say briefly, I think my colleagues have already articulated it well, the staff recommendation is to receive and file the report. I'm of huge interest in complete transparency around conversations like this. So sometimes we agendize them so that we can have the open public discourse and rather than have something behind closed doors, which we can't do because the Brown Act anyway. And so this is the way to vet issues and to get feedback. And I think this is exactly what we wanted to do. There is sort of a widespread loss of local control across different avenues.
01:47:41.57	Janelle Kelman	which I think many communities are concerned with and at the same time to Councilman Blasin's point, want to make sure we're not missing out on certain type of funding or other opportunities and so I receive it, I file it, I take the recommendation for the staff report. I don't think we need to spend excess resources because we don't have them on a further
01:48:03.09	Janelle Kelman	you know, deep, deep dive, but I do think that the community should be aware that as we face a changing economic climate, a changing regulatory climate, we have tools at our disposal, and this may be one of them, and it may be something we want to bring back, you know, if there's a way, and I, I,
01:48:19.08	Janelle Kelman	Don't want to assign anyone to counsel this, but should there be some type of subcommittee and there's a way to assess some of those costs and some of those benefits, I think I'd be very interested in receiving another report on it in the future. So I just appreciate you guys putting on the agenda so we can have that open, transparent conversation about it.
01:48:37.36	Unknown	Yeah, I'm not sure what else to add. I'm not a lawyer and so the benefits of this were out of my wheelhouse. I thought the staff report was interesting. I know that others had talked about the benefits of
01:48:51.82	Unknown	this in regards to some of the housing restriction stuff. I'm hearing some, so is there some consensus about something that we wanna direct or are we just gonna file this report and pick it up again as a future agenda topic in some future date, future city?
01:49:07.99	Karen Hollweg	Sarah, I will point out that the recommended action at the front of the report is to provide direction, even though at the back of the report, it says receive and file.
01:49:17.72	Karen Hollweg	And so I think we could.
01:49:19.19	Karen Hollweg	provide
01:49:20.03	Karen Hollweg	direction if we wanted to and I would suggest perhaps direction could be to appoint a subcommittee I would certainly volunteer
01:49:28.15	Karen Hollweg	for such a committee.
01:49:29.65	Karen Hollweg	I don't know if anyone else would be interested.
01:49:35.29	Unknown	Does anyone else want to? Well, first off, do my colleagues want to have a subcommittee that's officially appointed? Or do we want to let people just work on this on their own?
01:49:47.14	Unknown	And if so, who wants to join Blaise Mara Cox on that committee?
01:49:55.22	Janelle Kelman	the
01:49:55.57	Janelle Kelman	I'm I'm news for a lot of people. Council member Hoffman is either volunteering or not volunteering.
01:49:56.38	Unknown	for a lot of people.
01:49:59.40	Jill Hoffman	Terry?
01:50:00.03	Jill Hoffman	Thank you.
01:50:02.56	Unknown	She said she's neutral. We can bear anything on you.
01:50:02.68	Unknown	You can hear.
01:50:02.95	Janelle Kelman	Thank you.
01:50:03.03	Unknown	She's neutral.
01:50:04.64	Jill Hoffman	Yeah, I'm neutral. I certainly would want to hear more about it. I'm not opposed to a subcommittee forming. I'm certainly not opposed to Council Member Cox, or sorry, Vice Mayor Cox, you know, bringing her resources to bear. And I'm pretty sure that there are some...
01:50:24.04	Jill Hoffman	resources out there already about the benefits of being chartered citizenized. So I would be interested in knowing more about that.
01:50:24.08	Unknown	resources out.
01:50:32.19	Jill Hoffman	frankly.
01:50:34.37	Janelle Kelman	I feel the same, Mayor. I mean, I don't think I'm the right person for this. I think it's something that is going to be a continuous conversation past my term, but I do think it is important for us to know for city manager and for director of finance and community development director to know what the opportunities could be
01:50:51.95	Janelle Kelman	as part of this, but I again don't want to prioritize this from a fiscal perspective, so I want to be
01:50:57.84	Janelle Kelman	very conservative about
01:50:59.92	Janelle Kelman	who does the work and how. But as Commissioner Juni has pointed out, we have an expert on the council.
01:51:06.64	Janelle Kelman	I'd be delighted to hear more.
01:51:08.44	Unknown	Would you be willing to be on it just for the remainder of the year?
01:51:13.93	Sandra Bushmaker	Sure.
01:51:15.01	Unknown	True.
01:51:15.43	Unknown	Then why don't we do that? You know, the one thought I did have after reading the 20 letters, angry letters about even considering this item is that there is, as Ms. Merrill pointed out in her public comment, an underlying question of why.
01:51:28.03	Unknown	with your question mark.
01:51:28.71	Janelle Kelman	Mayor, I'm sorry. I'm going to have to renege on that offer. I don't think I'm going to be able to give it the suitable amount of time and diligence that it requires.
01:51:36.62	Unknown	Okay.
01:51:36.84	Janelle Kelman	Thank you though for the offer.
01:51:40.05	Jill Hoffman	I'll help out. Thank you.
01:51:40.06	Unknown	Wow.
01:51:43.61	Unknown	Okay.
01:51:45.77	Unknown	All right. Well, great. Then let it be so that you two will be that working group on this issue. I was just articulating that I thought from the letters, there was some question as to why. And so one thing to do perhaps would be just to answer some of those emails with the highlight of, well, really directing to the portion of the staff report that starts to lay out as to why, so that it is about some of these issues that I know for a fact some of those letter writers very much care about, like local control over housing and how this might be a tool for that. Yeah.
01:52:27.11	Unknown	Let us move on then to the next item item 5B the introduction and waiver of the first reading of ordinance 424 an ordinance of the city council of the city of Sausalito amending Sausalito municipal code section 2.58.040 relating to residency requirements on city boards commissions and committees. Again, I think this is a city attorney led item city attorney.
01:52:52.59	Sergio	Yes, thank you. So this item really comes to the City Council for probably the umpteenth time. Originally, this was first presented and discussed before the Council on February 20th, where the Council considered appointments of various individuals to EDAC and then directed the City Attorney to investigate the residency requirements for EDAC and bring back appropriate implementing documents to authorize non-residents to serve on EDAC. The city municipal code currently requires residency requirements.
01:53:29.55	Sergio	in the city for all city boards, commissions, and committees. It authorizes the council to establish additional requirements beyond what's set forth in Chapter 258.
01:53:41.75	Sergio	In March, after the ordinance was introduced for the first time, the council directed further revisions to this ordinance to limit...
01:53:51.62	Sergio	Uh,
01:53:53.17	Sergio	EDAC to be the sole body where non-residency is authorized.
01:53:58.62	Sergio	So again, this item has been revised and brought back to council for reintroduction in line with the council direction that was previously given.
01:54:09.05	Unknown	Thank you, city attorney. Are there questions for our city attorney? Council member of Austin.
01:54:14.22	Mark Blastings	So I noticed that in the staff report, there wasn't necessarily mention around the current system we had had for what we were referring to as 94965 liaisons on the council.
01:54:27.95	Mark Blastings	it was more broadly about the appointments of non-residents. Are you aware of the background on why and how we established that appointment? I know you weren't here yet at that time.
01:54:39.28	Sergio	Yes, I am aware that the council has the authority to create non member liaisons to boards and commissions and has done so for several committees in the past. But the question here is whether or not.
01:54:55.76	Sergio	the city can appoint non-residents to serve on EDAC. And I think that is the issue that this draft ordinance is intended to address.
01:55:04.35	Mark Blastings	So it maintains the non-member liaison appointments that we have as established now.
01:55:09.85	Sergio	Correct. It would not alter that.
01:55:11.69	Mark Blastings	Okay.
01:55:13.33	Unknown	Councilmember Hoffman.
01:55:18.90	Ms. Merrill	I think.
01:55:19.94	Unknown	Your hand is raised.
01:55:19.96	Ms. Merrill	Your hand is raised.
01:55:22.70	Unknown	Well, sure. I can go to. You're saying vice mayor? Sure.
01:55:26.95	Karen Hollweg	Sure. Thank you, Councilmember Hoffman.
01:55:29.23	John Paul	I wanted to point out that although the staff report states that the
01:55:35.74	John Paul	important.
01:55:35.98	Karen Hollweg	and it specifically allows non-residents to serve on EDAC
01:55:39.20	John Paul	Thank you.
01:55:39.62	Karen Hollweg	It additionally authorizes the city to create positions by resolution
01:55:45.66	Karen Hollweg	for non-residents to serve as non-voting
01:55:48.75	Karen Hollweg	liaisons or
01:55:50.22	Karen Hollweg	in a non-voting advisory committee capacity on any city board commission or
01:55:55.21	Karen Hollweg	committee.
01:55:56.75	Karen Hollweg	Is that new Sergio or existing?
01:56:01.58	Sergio	That is new language for the city code and that
01:56:07.62	Sergio	That is in line with, I believe, the city council direction at the...
01:56:13.10	Sergio	I'm trying to pull up the exact meeting where the council gave that direction, April 2nd.
01:56:17.88	Sergio	So that was specifically requested by the council.
01:56:22.45	Karen Hollweg	And then I thought that we had limited the number of non-residents that could serve on EDAC. And I don't see that covered.
01:56:31.93	Sergio	It is not. If you would like to include a modification to limit the number of non-resident slots on EDAC, that is certainly something the council can do.
01:56:45.22	Karen Hollweg	I will defer to my fellow council members, but I do recall that when we appointed,
01:56:50.01	Karen Hollweg	Um,
01:56:51.07	Karen Hollweg	people to EDAC, we did limit the number of non-residents who could serve on EDAC. And indeed,
01:56:57.04	Karen Hollweg	we selected our most recent round of
01:57:00.15	Karen Hollweg	EDAC members applying that filter. So I would just put that out there for
01:57:05.03	John Paul	consideration. Thank you.
01:57:09.18	Unknown	Now Council Member Hoffman.
01:57:11.98	Jill Hoffman	So,
01:57:13.21	Unknown	Stand by while we turn up the volume.
01:57:15.91	Jill Hoffman	Sure.
01:57:17.04	Unknown	Or say something, please.
01:57:19.59	Jill Hoffman	Yeah.
01:57:20.79	Unknown	That's better. Please keep.
01:57:23.44	Jill Hoffman	So, Sergio,
01:57:28.57	Jill Hoffman	You know, one of the things I think was unclear that was that the original appointments of non-residents to EDAC and that process, I don't believe we had the conversation or that it was called out that the city ordinance did not allow that. And so those people that were originally appointed to EDAC that were non-residents were actually prohibited by our ordinance, correct?
01:57:56.04	Sergio	Yeah, that would...
01:57:57.24	Sergio	There was a conflict between the city municipal code and the resolutions that created EDAC. And so, you know, my recommendation would be that we resolve that conflict one way or another, whether that is to not have residents serve on EDAC or whether that is to change the municipal code to reflect, you know, some of the prior city council discussions. You know, again, this is sort of the council's council decision.
01:58:22.36	Jill Hoffman	Thank you for calling that out, too. I appreciate that.
01:58:28.96	Unknown	Any other questions?
01:58:32.79	Unknown	from the dose then?
01:58:33.91	Unknown	Go ahead, Council Member Hawkins. Go right ahead.
01:58:37.01	Jill Hoffman	Pardon me.
01:58:40.13	Jill Hoffman	How does that affect the votes of EDAC or the actions of EDAC? I guess they're just recommendations, but how does that affect that when you have members on EDAC that are voting for recommendations that weren't properly appointed?
01:58:56.37	Sergio	So, you know, again, I would point out that these are recommendations and of course they carry the force of recommendations, not the force of a city decision or of law.
01:59:07.17	Sergio	So, again, I think it really comes up to the council as to how you want to consider and weigh the recommendations of EDAC in light of that issue.
01:59:16.03	Sergio	So I'm not sure it has, you know, a strong or meaningful legal effect. But really, again, this is one of those issues where if you have a conflict between city practice and city law, we should try to resolve the issue.
01:59:30.66	Jill Hoffman	I have one more follow-up, Mayor Sam and Faith.
01:59:32.97	Unknown	Yeah, please go right ahead. The floor is yours.
01:59:34.96	Jill Hoffman	Um...
01:59:37.29	Jill Hoffman	Also, you know, the issue of conflicts of interest have come up in the past. I know that we apply the conflict of interest rules for the required to, for the city council, for the planning commission, and I believe for the historic landmark board. But how do the conflict of interest requirements and laws apply to not just EDAC, but all of our boards and commissions?
01:59:59.58	Sergio	So for...
02:00:01.81	Sergio	City boards that exercise meaningful participation in making of governmental decisions, and that would be the Planning Commission when they're approving permits, Historic Preservation Commission where they're making substantive decisions, the City Council. You're required by state law, the Political Reform Act, to...
02:00:24.23	Sergio	you know, recuse yourself and disclose conflicts of interest when they come up. And those conflicts can arise under, you know, various kinds. They can be, you know...
02:00:34.31	Sergio	your interests in real property, they can be your business dealings, they can be source, you know, gifts, income, what have you.
02:00:41.70	Sergio	Um,
02:00:42.68	Sergio	Typically, when you are on a position that is unpaid,
02:00:47.29	Sergio	on a purely advisory body that has no powers other than to make a recommendation,
02:00:52.55	Sergio	You're not subject to conflict of interest requirements under the Political Reform Act. You may, however, be subject to conflict of interest requirements under Government Code 1090, which prohibits you from making a recommendation to someone to approve a contract where you have a financial interest in the contract. So that would be the main one.
02:01:11.15	Sergio	You know, of course, you know, I would encourage in the interest of transparency that, you know, people disclose their conflict of interest and not participate in decisions that, you know, create the appearance of impropriety. Additionally, we do have specific requirements for conflict of interest under our city code.
02:01:28.48	Sergio	dealing with boards and commissions. So we would need people to comply with those. That's under...
02:01:37.30	Sergio	258, 080,
02:01:39.82	Sergio	No member of a city board, commission, or committee on behalf of a business client or customer shall attempt to influence the decision before such board, commission, or committee. And so that's a local requirement under our own local requirements that the city council has imposed on it on the city.
02:01:56.31	Sergio	members of a border commission.
02:01:59.41	Jill Hoffman	Thank you for that.
02:02:02.85	Unknown	Other questions from the dais?
02:02:06.77	Unknown	Okay, we will take public comment then please, Mr. City Clerk.
02:02:10.35	Babette McDougal	We have Scott Thornburg.
02:02:17.06	Scott Thornburg	Good evening. Thank you for this important discussion tonight. Ethics is really important to me as committee chair. It's really important to me that our committee uphold the expectations of the community and making ethical recommendations is a really important part of that. So I applaud you for having this discussion. I think a really important
02:02:37.67	Scott Thornburg	part of this that Sergio just outlined is that EDAC retains no
02:02:42.49	Scott Thornburg	EDEC has a real power. We're making recommendations. It's an advisory body. There's no authority or oversight of budget or resources as a result of that. We're making recommendations, and ultimately the oversight is retained by the city council. So I do hope you'll take that into consideration. Our committee's mission is to foster economic growth in Sausalito.
02:03:06.56	Scott Thornburg	And that includes longstanding business owners, even if they aren't residents. It's crucial. Nearly 40% of Sausalito's revenue comes from business taxes that funds vital services.
02:03:20.60	Scott Thornburg	Have you ever heard the phrase taxation without representation? That's exactly what we're talking about here. It is business owners that are vested in it, that are trusted entities in the community that want to give back to the community and we should give them a voice. And that's truly all we're doing here. We're not giving them the authority to make decisions. We're not putting any power in their hands. They're not benefiting from making a recommendation.
02:03:46.04	Scott Thornburg	are advocating
02:03:47.33	Scott Thornburg	for the betterment of the community. So, um, uh, thank you for that. And I hope that you will, uh, continue to, uh,
02:03:53.99	Scott Thornburg	to keep that in mind.
02:03:56.66	Scott Thornburg	Also, as a reminder, when EDAC was founded, this is resolution 5925. It includes the residence as a category for membership, not a requirement.
02:04:06.21	Scott Thornburg	Furthermore, the resolution 5426, which founds the business advisor committee, specifically states that except where specifically stated members do not need to be city residents.
02:04:18.48	Scott Thornburg	So thank you, Mr. Thornburg.
02:04:25.89	Andrew Junius	Council members Andrew Junius again,
02:04:27.64	Andrew Junius	Sausalito resident, everything Scott just said, that's exactly right. Again, the EDAC doesn't have binding authority on anybody recommending body. That's critical.
02:04:38.19	Andrew Junius	And it
02:04:39.65	Andrew Junius	I mean, come on, the business owners need a voice. I mean, it just makes no sense to bar them, you know, from serving on a recommending body like this, an advisory body. And then finally, I'm really glad that the discussion included the confirmation that notwithstanding the fact that EDAC doesn't have to comply with the FPPC rules,
02:05:01.58	Andrew Junius	there is a local rule about conflicts of interest and there's a government code as well. So it's not like,
02:05:06.17	Andrew Junius	You know, they're flying out there and doing things that aren't governed. And frankly, the decisions come to you in the end. You know, if there's an issue that might have been missed and a conflict is raised after any DAC decisions made, well, you'll hear about that probably. So I think I think it's pretty straightforward. So thank you.
02:05:27.56	Unknown	Any comments online, Mr. Yes, Sandra Bushmaker?
02:05:33.50	Sandra Bushmaker	Hello again, everyone. I don't want to be a curmudgeon, but I do want to state that business owners have the Chamber of Commerce through which they can make their voices known.
02:05:44.30	Sandra Bushmaker	I,
02:05:45.40	Sandra Bushmaker	You know, we just talked about an item, the item before this about local control.
02:05:50.72	Sandra Bushmaker	And I am in favor of
02:05:53.92	Sandra Bushmaker	having a residency requirement for our boards and commissions
02:05:57.47	Sandra Bushmaker	just as we always have. I'm very concerned about the language in the proposed ordinance change that states by resolution the council can
02:06:08.00	Sandra Bushmaker	Consider non-residents. Does this apply to the Planning Commission?
02:06:11.86	Sandra Bushmaker	Where do we draw the line?
02:06:13.72	Sandra Bushmaker	Um,
02:06:15.61	Sandra Bushmaker	So,
02:06:17.46	Sandra Bushmaker	I would like to suggest, and I do appreciate the input that we get from our businesses on these various boards and commissions.
02:06:25.65	Sandra Bushmaker	And I would like to encourage their continued participation, but I'm in favor of
02:06:32.78	Sandra Bushmaker	having residents with a vote be appointed to these boards and commissions.
02:06:37.53	Sandra Bushmaker	There's nothing to prevent the business owners and other interested parties who are non-residents from participating in the discussion at the
02:06:46.40	Sandra Bushmaker	any of these committees, boards or commissions meetings. So,
02:06:53.69	Sandra Bushmaker	I would like to just make sure that we,
02:06:58.08	Sandra Bushmaker	Keep our local control local.
02:07:00.24	Sandra Bushmaker	And I don't want to see a diminution of that.
02:07:04.39	Sandra Bushmaker	impact.
02:07:05.78	Sandra Bushmaker	So I would be in favor of the
02:07:08.43	Sandra Bushmaker	the old
02:07:10.08	Sandra Bushmaker	The old way
02:07:12.71	Sandra Bushmaker	that and and and figure out other ways to uh
02:07:16.98	Sandra Bushmaker	to encourage the business owners and other interested parties who are non-residents to participate in our boards and commissions, but not to appoint them in an appointment. Thank you.
02:07:30.52	Unknown	No further public comment. We missed us. Alice Merrill, you want to just come to the podium, Ms. Merrill?
02:07:38.80	Ms. Merrill	You wouldn't want to have me not talk after all, right? I do think that the concept of appointing non-residents
02:07:51.56	Ms. Merrill	over, you know, in a bigger quantity and is a problem.
02:07:57.19	Ms. Merrill	Just because here we are being residents and this is our little town. And then we get people
02:08:03.56	Ms. Merrill	coming in from here and there and having their needs and wants and
02:08:07.74	Ms. Merrill	I hear that you're saying that they can't vote
02:08:10.44	Ms. Merrill	Um,
02:08:11.59	Ms. Merrill	That could be changed easily.
02:08:14.09	Ms. Merrill	Um, it, we just need to keep this, um, all for residents. I believe that this town is, we hear from residents and we need to know about what they do. And it's true that we have a chamber of commerce for, um, for our businesses. So.
02:08:21.88	Unknown	Thank you.
02:08:32.63	Ms. Merrill	I'm just status quo, I guess, but I am. Thank you.
02:08:38.37	Ms. Merrill	Thank you.
02:08:41.63	Unknown	No further public speaking. Thank you, Mr. City Clerk. We'll close public comment. Any discussion here on the dice? Anyone wish to be recognized?
02:08:50.32	Unknown	No one. Go ahead, Council Member Hoffman.
02:08:53.22	Jill Hoffman	I do have a follow-up based on the comment with our city attorney. And that, based on the public comment, there's nothing that prevents, in our current city ordinance, or is there, that prevents appointment of non-residents to a task force.
02:08:54.91	Unknown	I have a follow-up based on the comments.
02:09:14.58	Jill Hoffman	or Blue Ribbon Committee.
02:09:17.15	Sergio	Um...
02:09:19.29	Sergio	Task forces and working groups are not subject to chapter 258.
02:09:27.73	Sergio	Let's see.
02:09:29.28	Sergio	Yeah, so yeah, those
02:09:31.39	Sergio	tasks like one off task forces or, you know, again,
02:09:36.01	Sergio	you know, ad hoc working groups, things like that. Yeah, those are not subject to a residency requirement.
02:09:41.82	Jill Hoffman	Thanks.
02:09:43.09	Jill Hoffman	Thanks very much for that.
02:09:47.27	Unknown	Does anyone want to have any discussion or comments? Are we just moving along? Go ahead, Council Member Vostina, Council Member Kellman.
02:09:53.35	Mark Blastings	Yeah, I'm happy to get us started. So I appreciate this being brought forward. I understand the importance of our residents being well represented. I also think it's critical to acknowledge that our business community has always played a significant role in in
02:10:08.31	Mark Blastings	not only generating about half of our revenue that's our general fund, but also in our ongoing governance and discussion. So some of you, probably you, Alice Merrill, remember our business advisory committee that we had, our hospitality committee prior to the EDAC, of which there were always members of the business community who have historically served who were not residents, but had the ability to be represented and be a part of the conversation and frequently made decisions.
02:10:31.89	Mark Blastings	presentations to the Council.
02:10:34.08	Mark Blastings	and in an effort to
02:10:35.77	Mark Blastings	sort of subsidize and streamline that. The creation of EDAC was a compromise that brought in members of the business community
02:10:42.50	Mark Blastings	and more residents so that we could have an ongoing coordinated conversation that would represent
02:10:48.17	Mark Blastings	everybody in an equal and fair way. And this really only came back before us because we wanted to make sure we were getting it right and that we had everyone's terms even and equal.
02:10:57.72	Mark Blastings	And given that EDAC is a body that is not applicable for FPPC rules and that we've always engaged with our business community. And I think given the work we saw on the bid and the work that EDAC
02:11:09.72	Mark Blastings	has brought forward and the growing finally strengthened relationship with our business community, I would really hate to see that negatively impacted right now. And I also just wanted to make a point in general about our 94965 appointment. I think that people are reading this and assuming that we're hoping to appoint for those positions.
02:11:28.30	Mark Blastings	people from other towns. And I want to remind those of us on the dais that that was the decision that we made together so that we could strengthen our relationship with Marin City and our houseboat community. And it was specifically so that houseboat residents who often feel that they make up the fabric of Sausalito in many ways, and also our neighbors in Marin City who don't have the opportunity to vote because they're not necessarily within the city limits, but are at all of our, many of our events, participate in a lot of community boards or volunteer regularly, would have an opportunity to engage as well in a non-voting capacity. So we're really working to just bring forward as many voices that make up the fabric and color of our community as possible. And I think we're incredibly fortunate that we have this many members of our business community, our houseboat community, and Marin City who want to engage with us. And so I'd like for us to move forward with the ordinance. And, you know, we can certainly shore up the perspectives of what voting bodies are capable of or otherwise, but I think that EDAC is doing great work. And I think I'd like to see even more continued engagement with our houseboat residents and hopefully our other 94965 liaisons.
02:12:42.03	Unknown	Thank you, Councilmember Kelman.
02:12:43.24	Janelle Kelman	Thank you, Mayor. Certainly, there's no doubt that EDAC has done an incredible job of being very creative and bringing us a lot of wonderful ideas. And I think we could all proudly say we implemented many of those ideas and have done a significant amount of work and dedicated a significant amount of resources to the business community to heal a lot of those relationships. So I think we should all be very proud that we have done that. I think my perspective on it is actually coming from a conversation we had on the dais over a year ago about streamlining our boards and commissions and trying to actually remove some of them. I think we're the only city in Moran, I can't remember, city manager, but that has nine standing boards and commissions. And we had lengthy conversations first two years on council about actually doing away with all of them, doing it with some of them. And so I'm coming at it from that context. And I think this is probably an opportunity to hit some of those notes that we kind of back-burnered for a little bit. I also, I think some really great comments have already been made by my colleague, Council Member Blaustein, but I don't know that I feel compelled to change an existing ordinance because I don't also see where the limits are. And I don't see where the limits might be. A similar argument could be made as to the Planning Commission. People build commercial properties in town. Should they be able to have representation on the Planning Commission? So I just haven't heard arguments yet as to that would compel me to change an existing ordinance. That said, you know,
02:14:14.05	Janelle Kelman	I do remember the
02:14:15.89	Janelle Kelman	that
02:14:16.68	Janelle Kelman	the conflation of the hospitality and the BAC, and a lot of that was because there were non-residents who were making decisions that people felt were impacting the fabric of the community. And so maybe what we should examine is the idea of staying with the 94965 to be able to provide the broad
02:14:33.28	Janelle Kelman	outlook that Councilman Blasin mentioned and then maybe even offering members of the business community non voting membership or something like that, so they can participate now. That may be duplicative and not necessary because these are open meetings the brown act anybody can come and i'd be curious.
02:14:50.50	Janelle Kelman	I haven't seen very many business individuals come other than folks that are
02:14:54.98	Janelle Kelman	on the committee so that's an interesting data point so that i don't i don't feel compelled to change the existing ordinance i am i think it could lead to other opportunities to add non residents i'm happy to hear my colleagues have to say but that's kind of
02:15:08.79	Janelle Kelman	I'm coming at it from the streamlining perspective of something that we talked about, but I do think a 94965 retain that demographic is important.
02:15:19.99	Unknown	Council member, who is first? Vice Mayor or Council member? I think Jim.
02:15:29.12	Jill Hoffman	Um...
02:15:31.13	Jill Hoffman	So, yeah, I mean, I was surprised, actually, that we did have a rule and that the appointments for EDAP violated our ordinance. So I think that was the discussion, you know, that we had back in whenever it was in February and March. You know, looking into this, I think there's, we have an ordinance. There's a reason why we have an ordinance limiting our boards and commissions to city residents, and I think it's a pretty good reason, and that's because the people that are paying for most of these things are residents. Even though we do have revenue from, obviously, from the businesses here in town, and that we want to have a strong relationship with our business community is really important. And not to undermine or denigrate anybody that's on EDAC. This isn't really specifically anything about people who are serving or who are thinking about
02:16:12.73	Unknown	and it was a good thing.
02:16:28.02	Jill Hoffman	I am surprised that, and I haven't looked at the resolution for EDAC in a while, but I'm surprised that resident is just a category of
02:16:37.65	Unknown	It's just like,
02:16:40.22	Jill Hoffman	of EDAC. I mean, that's, I'm surprised that we didn't have this conversation when EDAC was formed, frankly, and it should have been called out that what we were trying to do violated our city ordinance and this whole idea of do we want to elevate non-residents to authority positions on a border commission that tasks staff in very significant ways and, you know, makes decisions about and recommendations to the city council about how we spend Thank you. tasks staff in very significant ways and, you know, makes decisions about and recommendations to the city council about how we spend our money specifically. So I think, and I, you know, I'm a big fan of the task force and working group model. And I think that the specific goals of EDAC can be achieved by simply having residents on EDAC, but forming task force, either the city council can or EDAC can, bringing in, you know, these areas of expertise and people that we have in town and accessing that level of specific expertise. We've done that twice that I've done it very successfully with the landslide task force that I chair and the sea level rise task force. So I think the structure of a limited scope about what an effort is going to be, specifically people that are chosen for that limited scope, the timeline and a deliverable helps us all be more efficient just generally. And I think that's a good model for EDAC in accessing members of the community who aren't residents. We have lots of business members, by the way, who are members of our community. So I think that's kind of where I stand. I don't, I I don't I'm not compelled to change the ordinance or the standing ordinance that we have I think we need to clean up EDAC and make it comply with the ordinances that we currently have which I think are probably a good thing
02:16:52.74	Unknown	Do we want to do that?
02:18:39.96	Jill Hoffman	Thank you.
02:18:40.05	Jill Hoffman	Thank you.
02:18:41.94	Unknown	Thank you, Vice Mayor Cox.
02:18:44.37	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:18:45.43	Karen Hollweg	I actually see this a little differently. I think Councilmember Hoffman and I were the only council members
02:18:51.79	Karen Hollweg	on the city council when we appointed EDAC.
02:18:56.16	Karen Hollweg	And we had, you know, scads of applications from all over the place and very carefully narrowed it down.
02:19:03.76	Karen Hollweg	And at that time, we did make a very
02:19:06.66	Karen Hollweg	specific decision
02:19:08.72	Karen Hollweg	that EDAC would benefit from membership of non-members.
02:19:14.05	Karen Hollweg	um,
02:19:14.94	Karen Hollweg	and particularly because it is
02:19:18.50	Karen Hollweg	intended.
02:19:20.29	Karen Hollweg	to be, remember, it used to be called the Business Advisory Committee. We dissolved that committee and became the Economic Development Advisory Committee.
02:19:28.82	Karen Hollweg	But its purpose was to really liaise with the business community. And although the Chamber of Commerce is a representative of the business community, they are not a city appointed.
02:19:42.37	Karen Hollweg	Commission as EDAC is. Chamber of Commerce charges a membership fee for businesses to join and runs by its own rules and regulations and only has the interface with the city that it chooses to have, whereas EDAC,
02:20:00.41	Karen Hollweg	takes its charter and its assignments from the city. And they come to us each year,
02:20:05.49	Karen Hollweg	in order for us to give them
02:20:08.00	Karen Hollweg	their priorities and they come back to us and make recommendations and invest the time and effort
02:20:14.87	Karen Hollweg	as directed by us.
02:20:17.35	Karen Hollweg	Cass Green comes to mind. She has been invaluable in the
02:20:21.64	Karen Hollweg	in her contributions to the city. She is not a resident of the city, but she is a member
02:20:27.49	Karen Hollweg	of Edak, who has made tremendous
02:20:30.22	Karen Hollweg	contributions, not just as a member of that,
02:20:33.02	Karen Hollweg	Commission, but in her involvement in other key
02:20:36.49	Karen Hollweg	city decisions. And so
02:20:40.03	Karen Hollweg	I feel as though the ordinance as drafted by the city attorney is pretty limited.
02:20:45.85	Karen Hollweg	I wouldn't mind limiting it further by limiting the number of non-residents who could be members of EDAC in order to assuage concerns about some majority of EDAC making advisory
02:21:03.52	Karen Hollweg	Um,
02:21:05.07	Karen Hollweg	recommendations to the City Council.
02:21:07.64	Karen Hollweg	but it is only an advisory board.
02:21:10.66	Karen Hollweg	And the ordinance is very clear
02:21:14.22	Karen Hollweg	that
02:21:17.02	Karen Hollweg	Any other non resident positions are limited to non voting liaisons or non voting advisory.
02:21:24.82	Karen Hollweg	capacity. I wouldn't mind making confining that sentence to members in the 94965 area so that only EDAC would allow
02:21:37.74	Karen Hollweg	membership outside of the 94965 area. So I would recommend that we consider
02:21:43.61	Karen Hollweg	this already very narrowly drafted ordinance confining it
02:21:48.58	Karen Hollweg	to limit the number,
02:21:50.89	Karen Hollweg	of non-residents who could
02:21:53.77	Karen Hollweg	be appointed to EDAC.
02:21:55.48	Karen Hollweg	and to confine other
02:21:57.72	Karen Hollweg	non-resident, non-voting liaisons or non-voting advisory capacity to confine those to residents of the 94965 area code.
02:22:08.98	Karen Hollweg	Those would be my recommendations. Thank you.
02:22:12.08	Unknown	Thanks, Vice Mayor.
02:22:13.30	Karen Hollweg	uh,
02:22:16.47	Unknown	I'm a little foggy still on Portugal time. So we'll see if I can articulate this thought. I thought this was going to be pretty, uh,
02:22:24.60	Unknown	Non-controversial. In fact, I think it first showed up on consent calendar and we eventually decided to make it a business item. And I see there actually is very interesting different points of view on this subject. I thought it'd be non-controversial, but I very much see the point of view of people that are worried about the idea that there's a slippery slope and that residents have a clear vested interest in this community that's unassailable and and that there have a clear vested interest in this community that's unassailable and and that there are some entities that might not have that north star guiding them my own point of view honestly held is a broader definition of community that i would like my colleagues to consider
02:23:07.97	Unknown	Uh,
02:23:10.00	Unknown	Someone who owns a home here and is registered to vote here, but goes there behind their gate and doesn't engage in the community, they have a right to vote, they have a right to be on the commission.
02:23:21.17	Unknown	Teresa Ancona, who feeds people day in, day out in a restaurant under the old regime, the regime that we wouldn't have if we did not pass this ordinance, she would not be able to participate.
02:23:35.11	Unknown	Reason Bradley, who just
02:23:39.33	Unknown	built them out for the sea sea lion that hopefully the last 100 years, who owns a business here, who's devoted to the community who grew up here, but no longer actually lives here, would be prohibited from being on official boards and commissions, even as a non-voting member.
02:23:58.11	Unknown	I don't know, that doesn't square with me. I think our definition of community should include people that are stakeholders in town. So it is a very, it actually maybe is a more important issue and deserve to be on the business agenda because it is a cultural question. Do we define our community as people that,
02:24:17.33	Unknown	registered to vote here or do we define our community as people who have a stake here and i i guess i put a little more emphasis on the latter and i i get that you have to we have to parse it at some point uh but actually now that i think of it that way to me it's really clear and i'm sort of supportive of the ordinance as it is i would certainly of course vote for wherever the center of gravity is of my colleagues on a modified endorsement. But I think that the ordinance as is, is a statement to people about their value. At the end of the day, I don't know that any board commission has ever had a vote that's been, has there ever been a non-unanimous vote of a board and commission outside of the planning commission? I mean, has sustainability, EDAC and others had split votes have any of them been close I kind of think the voting doesn't matter as much it's really the message that we send to the participants about their value of their participation and their inclusion in the community that matters and so that's why I actually think the ordinance matters to send that message and do kind of underline a broader definition of community that I think is positive
02:25:26.47	Mark Blastings	Councilmember
02:25:26.70	Unknown	Councilmember Blousteen and then Councilmember Tolman.
02:25:29.22	Mark Blastings	I agree and appreciate your sentiment, but in the interest of reaching consensus, I liked the vice mayor's recommendations that we might include specific number of residents. And then what was the second one, vice mayor? You had a second suggestion.
02:25:43.59	Karen Hollweg	to confine the positions for non-residents to serve as non-voting liaisons or any non-voting advisory capacity to residents of the 94965 area.
02:25:44.72	Mark Blastings	Yes.
02:25:58.33	Janelle Kelman	Okay.
02:25:58.36	Mark Blastings	Okay.
02:25:58.53	Janelle Kelman	Thank you.
02:26:01.16	Unknown	Thank you.
02:26:01.95	Janelle Kelman	Two comments, one comment, one question. For the vice mayor, is that refinement only as 94965, or could the change be to limit to a non-voting member?
02:26:19.11	Janelle Kelman	of the business community and non-body member of 94965. Is that what you're saying or you're saying only yes to 94965?
02:26:24.83	Karen Hollweg	I was limiting, I was not limiting the zip code for EDAC members since businesses don't necessarily reside in the 94965 area.
02:26:35.26	Karen Hollweg	I'm suggesting the second sentence
02:26:37.37	Karen Hollweg	of 2.58.040A
02:26:40.50	Karen Hollweg	be confined
02:26:41.90	Karen Hollweg	for the positions for non-residents to serve as non-voting liaisons or in a non-voting advisory capacity be confined to residents of the 94965.
02:26:54.20	Karen Hollweg	zip code.
02:26:55.94	Janelle Kelman	Okay, sorry. For some reason, maybe I'm jet lagged. I think I'm hearing it in the inverse. So you're saying that we,
02:27:04.59	Janelle Kelman	Could have non-residents so long as they're in 94965.
02:27:08.17	Karen Hollweg	only in a non-voting liaison or non-voting advisory capacity.
02:27:13.42	Karen Hollweg	The only exception is EDAC,
02:27:16.22	Karen Hollweg	where you can have
02:27:17.87	Karen Hollweg	those in voting capacity, but I'm recommending
02:27:20.57	Karen Hollweg	that the number of non-residents on EDAC be limited to a number that we choose.
02:27:26.77	Janelle Kelman	that we have.
02:27:28.40	Janelle Kelman	Okay, thank you. That's clarity for me. And I just want to thank you, Mayor, for your very thoughtful comments. I really appreciate your perspective. And I just want to
02:27:37.99	Janelle Kelman	um,
02:27:38.63	Janelle Kelman	just put into the record that my sort of contribution and perspective on this is not at all about the definition of community i am for me my analysis is grounded in the streamlining and the resource conversations that we had a year or so ago around boards and commissions and so that's just want to put on the record for myself that that's where i'm coming from and i appreciate your your thoughtful comments
02:28:06.29	Unknown	So-
02:28:06.44	Jill Hoffman	Thank you.
02:28:06.51	Unknown	Thank you very much, Councilmember Coleman. Councilmember Boston, the only thought I had about limiting the number of nonresidency edact makes sense.
02:28:15.65	Unknown	And I mean, I'll obviously vote for whatever you, wherever the majority is on some modified ordinance, but I can't help but think about people that have a vested interest in the community, have expertise on things we care about, whether it be sustainability, who let's say we're born here. They know people here, they're raised here, but now they live in Mill Valley.
02:28:36.97	Unknown	or they live in...
02:28:38.45	Unknown	in Larkspur, but they still come here.
02:28:42.42	Unknown	I mean, wasn't Chris Gallagher, wasn't she actually live in Mill Valley? Am I wrong about that? And she, I mean, a paragraph of the community.
02:28:47.43	John Paul	Okay.
02:28:48.68	Unknown	.
02:28:48.83	John Paul	We lived in Larson.
02:28:50.40	Unknown	Larkspur okay so a paragraph of the community I just think of examples of people that we would want that we're thinking about constraining a future city council to not have the flexibility to have an outstanding individual because at the end of the day these are not people won't get to just by lottery show up on these commissions they have to go through an interview process and so are we saying we want to constrain a future city council to have to change their ordinance to be able to point someone like Chris Gallagher to a
02:29:16.47	Unknown	to a board and commission as a non-voting member
02:29:19.42	Unknown	I don't see the case for that.
02:29:20.81	Janelle Kelman	I'll point out that we're asked to change an existing ordinance. So this is the ordinance that is currently in effect. So we're not constraining future in a way that is different than what is current. But may I recommend that we make a motion if someone would like to make a motion? Because I think that there seems to be a pattern and
02:29:37.30	Janelle Kelman	I think I see where this is going and I don't wanna
02:29:39.39	Janelle Kelman	Thank you.
02:29:39.40	Unknown	Sure.
02:29:39.66	Janelle Kelman	um,
02:29:40.74	Janelle Kelman	go back and forth on sort of intent behind some of it. It could be a very long conversation.
02:29:46.49	Karen Hollweg	May we hear from Councilmember Hoffman and then I'm happy to make a motion.
02:29:49.48	Unknown	Go ahead, Councilmember Hawkins.
02:29:54.15	Unknown	We can't hear you. You have to unmute yourself.
02:29:56.78	Unknown	Thank you.
02:29:56.89	Jill Hoffman	Yeah, just a comment on, you know, there is an existing ordinance, so this action is changing.
02:30:03.40	Jill Hoffman	existing ordinance. And also, you know, nothing prevents anybody from showing up at any meeting, right? These are all Brown Act required meetings. So anybody, the sort of involvement, I think, that you were talking about, Mayor, you know, these people can still be involved. In fact, they do. They are quite involved in a lot of our city council meetings and a lot of of different efforts in town, whether or not they're, you know, they're a member of the board or not. So I think we do have a lot of involvement from people who want to be involved. And also, you know, we do have an ordinance for 94965 currently. So I think the issue is, you know, we don't really need to, I don't know that, anyway, I don't know if that's necessary because that ordinance is not affected by whatever action we take tonight. We've already, that's already an ordinance for 94965. So I'm not sure why we're digressing back into that, unless you want to.
02:31:05.30	Jill Hoffman	you know, and the effect of the ordinance change, if we do it in a way that it's written,
02:31:13.19	Jill Hoffman	is that
02:31:15.73	Jill Hoffman	The council has broad discretion.
02:31:17.89	Jill Hoffman	probably overbroad in appointing people from outside of Sausalito in directing staff and directing city budgets. They're directing staff in support of the whatever effort that board is coming up with and so that's my to be clear that's my main concern is that you know the people in Sausalito who live here should be able to direct staff and direct the efforts and recommendations to the city council. Anybody can weigh in, but that should be the role of residents.
02:31:37.53	Unknown	You know, the people in
02:31:53.41	Unknown	You also remember Cox?
02:31:55.50	Unknown	in the future.
02:31:55.53	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:31:56.60	Karen Hollweg	I'll just say that it is different to be an attendee who's confined to two or three minutes public comment versus serving on a...
02:32:06.39	Karen Hollweg	committee board or commission or committee.
02:32:09.14	Karen Hollweg	And so, and also there's a certain distinction of being appointed by the city council to a task force. I agree with Council Member Hoffman that task force forces are also very useless, very useful for specific purposes. So my motion would be to adopt
02:32:31.66	Karen Hollweg	To introduce and waive first reading of ordinance number 04-2024, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending Sausalito Municipal Code section 2.58.040.
02:32:42.83	Karen Hollweg	relating to residency requirements on city boards, commissions and committees with the following changes.
02:32:48.42	Karen Hollweg	the section 2.58.040A,
02:32:53.45	Karen Hollweg	would be
02:32:55.12	Karen Hollweg	revised to read except for
02:33:01.65	Karen Hollweg	five members of the economic development advisory committee residency in the city of Sausalito at the time of appointment at all times during one's tenure on any city board commissioner committee is required for continued membership on such
02:33:13.24	John Paul	Thank you.
02:33:13.28	Karen Hollweg	more.
02:33:13.45	John Paul	Commission
02:33:13.87	Karen Hollweg	our people.
02:33:14.04	John Paul	committee.
02:33:15.00	Karen Hollweg	In addition, and then the second sentence would be revised to read. In addition, the city council may by resolution create positions
02:33:23.67	Karen Hollweg	for
02:33:24.68	Karen Hollweg	residents of the 94965 area to serve
02:33:29.19	Karen Hollweg	but who are not residents of Sausalito to serve
02:33:32.03	John Paul	as non-voting liaisons or in non-voting advisory capacity on any city board commission or committee other than
02:33:39.55	John Paul	the Planning Commission.
02:33:41.66	Sergio	And vice mayor, if I may make a suggestion,
02:33:47.01	Sergio	You introduced that to say, except for five members of the Economic Development Advisory Committee, I would suggest that read, except for...
02:33:54.99	Sergio	for up to five members. That way you don't have to appoint five.
02:33:59.33	John Paul	I agree. I accept that amendment.
02:34:02.42	John Paul	And so there's a motion to...
02:34:03.26	Janelle Kelman	I don't should do it.
02:34:03.73	Janelle Kelman	Can you repeat the changes?
02:34:06.99	Sergio	So if I follow this correctly, it would read, uh, except for up to five members, uh, of the economic development advisory committee, non-residents shall be permitted, uh,
02:34:19.82	Sergio	residency
02:34:22.11	Sergio	in the city of Sausalito,
02:34:24.19	Sergio	At the time of appointment at all times during one's tenure, any city board commission or committee is required for continued membership on some board commission or committee. In addition, the city council may, by resolution,
02:34:36.49	Sergio	create positions for
02:34:39.05	Sergio	And Joan, can you read that section again?
02:34:41.15	Karen Hollweg	again.
02:34:41.92	Karen Hollweg	residents of the 94965 area who do not live
02:34:47.03	John Paul	Sausalito.
02:34:47.74	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:34:48.11	John Paul	to serve as non-voting liaisons or in a non-voting advisory capacity,
02:34:53.89	John Paul	on any city board commission or committee with the exception of the planning commission.
02:35:00.15	Janelle Kelman	I'm sorry, city attorney, where's the EDAC language exemption? Okay.
02:35:03.88	Sergio	It's at the beginning of, it would be at the beginning of 258.040a.
02:35:09.04	Sergio	Um...
02:35:09.26	Karen Hollweg	I read it out as Economic Advisory Development Committee.
02:35:13.46	Karen Hollweg	So it really reads, Janelle, except for up to five members of EDAC, residency in the city of Sausalito at the time of appointment and at all times during one's tenure on any.
02:35:24.02	John Paul	City Board Commissioner Committee is required for continued membership on such board commissioning committee.
02:35:30.57	Mark Blastings	I'll second that.
02:35:32.97	Unknown	Okay, motion is made second. Is there any discussion? I see your hand is raised, Council Member Hoffman.
02:35:37.86	Unknown	Did you want to?
02:35:39.64	Unknown	Your hand is raised. I don't know if that's a vestige of the old. And your-
02:35:44.36	Jill Hoffman	Yeah, no, I have a question.
02:35:45.00	Unknown	I have a question.
02:35:46.82	Jill Hoffman	So I don't understand
02:35:51.82	Jill Hoffman	How is the, we already are able to, aren't we able to vote on non-voting liaisons for boards and commissions for...
02:36:01.74	Jill Hoffman	94965. I don't know why it's in this.
02:36:03.38	John Paul	So...
02:36:04.32	John Paul	So this he is this
02:36:05.98	Karen Hollweg	ordinance is being this ordinance is being quoted in its entirety so not every portion of what we're reading is new
02:36:12.73	Karen Hollweg	this ordinance is being
02:36:14.67	Karen Hollweg	and is being amended to read in its entirety.
02:36:19.09	Karen Hollweg	And so we don't have a red line version that shows us
02:36:22.75	Karen Hollweg	what changes were made from the prior ordinance.
02:36:26.95	Sergio	And the city code currently on the issue of non-voting liaisons is silent. It doesn't address it one way or another. So I think your prior city attorney has expansively interpreted the city council's powers to appoint non-voting liaisons. I would suggest that it's probably safer to have the city code address that issue.
02:36:45.78	Karen Hollweg	We made that decision by resolution, Jill, and it was never memorialized in an ordinance, I think.
02:36:51.91	Jill Hoffman	Okay, and is there a limit on the number of 94965 liaisons to boards and commissions, non-voting?
02:37:00.95	Mark Blastings	I recall that when we made that decision as a body, it was going to be one for each board and commission.
02:37:06.83	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:37:06.84	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
02:37:06.86	Karen Hollweg	Okay, so I'm willing to accept that friendly amendment as well to limit
02:37:11.64	Karen Hollweg	the so
02:37:13.54	Karen Hollweg	Um,
02:37:14.61	Karen Hollweg	So this the
02:37:16.48	Karen Hollweg	The revised second sentence would read,
02:37:19.94	Karen Hollweg	In addition, the city council may by resolution create up to one position
02:37:25.00	Karen Hollweg	for residents of the 94965 area who are not residents of Sausalito to serve as non-voting liaison or any non-voting advisory capacity on any city board, commission, or committee
02:37:38.67	Karen Hollweg	except the Planning Commission.
02:37:40.41	Karen Hollweg	And I don't know if you also want to say,
02:37:42.70	Karen Hollweg	and the historic preservation
02:37:44.78	Karen Hollweg	Commission. I don't know if you want to exempt both of those commissions from this.
02:37:51.83	Karen Hollweg	I would recommend it be both. So I'm going to say except for the Planning Commission and the Historic Preservation Commission.
02:38:00.98	Karen Hollweg	So is there a second to my amended motion?
02:38:04.78	Unknown	Councilmember Blaustein, second native, if you want to reaffirm it with the changes that the vice mayor made.
02:38:09.69	Mark Blastings	Sure. Reaffirmed.
02:38:13.10	Unknown	Council Member Cowan.
02:38:14.08	Janelle Kelman	I'll just for the record offer a friendly amendment that I think will fail, but I'll just put it on the record, which is that the addition of a non-resident and a 94965 would be a non-voting member would be the change. So that this up to five who are non-residents would be non-voting members of EDAC. And I don't know if that would be considered. and that's quite alright if not I just wanted to put in up to five who are non-residents would be non-voting members of EDAC. And I don't know if that would be considered. And that's quite all right. If not, I just wanted to put it in the record. Thank you.
02:38:46.66	Janelle Kelman	Uh,
02:38:47.49	Unknown	Zero minute.
02:38:47.81	Jill Hoffman	Thank you.
02:38:47.86	Unknown	Yeah.
02:38:47.98	Janelle Kelman	Thank you.
02:38:49.51	Jill Hoffman	That would-
02:38:50.03	Janelle Kelman	Thank you.
02:38:51.96	Janelle Kelman	I think Jill says she was supportive, but it's up to the vice-president.
02:38:53.76	Karen Hollweg	So I guess what you're doing is making alternative motion because I do not accept that as an amendment to my motion.
02:39:00.70	Unknown	An alternative motion has been made, I think, correct?
02:39:03.74	Karen Hollweg	and seconded. So we vote on the alternative motion first.
02:39:04.28	Janelle Kelman	Thanks.
02:39:04.85	Unknown	second.
02:39:05.14	Janelle Kelman	And it's...
02:39:07.65	Unknown	Yeah.
02:39:09.66	Unknown	So it's just motion.
02:39:10.44	Babette McDougal	For the record, who seconded that?
02:39:10.61	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:39:10.64	Unknown	I'm sorry.
02:39:13.69	Unknown	Thank you.
02:39:15.82	Unknown	So there's a discussion on.
02:39:17.84	Babette McDougal	Okay.
02:39:17.96	Unknown	I think we just call the podium. If there's no discussion, we can call the question.
02:39:18.54	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
02:39:18.59	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
02:39:18.94	Mark Blastings	Oh.
02:39:21.51	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
02:39:21.52	Mark Blastings	No.
02:39:22.25	Babette McDougal	Council member sorry Council member Blas team.
02:39:25.32	Mark Blastings	No.
02:39:26.98	Babette McDougal	Um, Council member Hoffman.
02:39:29.93	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
02:39:29.96	Jill Hoffman	Yes.
02:39:30.25	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
02:39:31.43	Babette McDougal	Council member Cummins.
02:39:32.54	Jill Hoffman	Yes.
02:39:33.89	Babette McDougal	Vice Mayor Cox
02:39:35.65	Babette McDougal	So,
02:39:36.75	Babette McDougal	And Mary Silvieski.
02:39:37.88	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
02:39:37.99	Unknown	You know?
02:39:38.13	Babette McDougal	Hello?
02:39:38.33	Unknown	Thank you.
02:39:38.50	Unknown	And now we so that motion fails. We will now call the question on the original underlying motion.
02:39:45.57	Babette McDougal	Council member Blaston.
02:39:47.00	Mark Blastings	Yes.
02:39:48.41	Babette McDougal	Council member Hoffman.
02:39:51.55	Babette McDougal	Councilmember Kelman.
02:39:52.62	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
02:39:52.64	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
02:39:52.66	Babette McDougal	No.
02:39:53.62	Babette McDougal	Vice Mayor Cox. Yes. And Mayor Sobieski.
02:39:57.81	Unknown	Yes, that motion carries through to.
02:40:00.29	Unknown	Okay.
02:40:00.32	John Paul	Just ask the city attorney if you have the final motion in mind.
02:40:00.52	Sergio	Thank you.
02:40:00.54	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
02:40:00.64	Unknown	Thank you.
02:40:00.84	Unknown	Just...
02:40:01.10	Sergio	Yeah.
02:40:05.82	Sergio	Yes, yes I do. So we just had a...
02:40:09.47	Sergio	Motion to modify the main motion, which failed on a two, three vote and the language of the ordinance is introduced. I do have down. So thank you.
02:40:18.66	Unknown	So,
02:40:18.73	Unknown	Thank you.
02:40:18.76	Unknown	Thank you.
02:40:18.86	Unknown	Thank you.
02:40:22.19	Unknown	Okay, we'll move on to 5C, discussion and direction regarding the 2425 road resurfacing project list and SB1 project funding. Director McGowan, the floor is yours.
02:40:30.05	Unknown	Yeah, Mr. Mayor, if I can introduce us while Kevin's setting up. Oh, Mr. City Manager, yes. I appreciate that. So first and foremost, thank you all for taking the time to discuss infrastructure tonight, specifically roads, one of those important things. This is a preliminary step that's required by the state that we identify street projects in our community. So tonight we're seeking your input and your direction. And with that, you know, if that direction is provided tonight, at the upcoming meeting on July 30th, we'll be able to put into effect the plan that we are proposing tonight, a resolution ordinance to adopt the plan so that we can accept $184,000 in state funds to pair with $1.7 million in Measure L funds and add to $140,000 in county funds for our street program. So it's really important that we get this done and we get this direction from you tonight. So Kevin is going to give you the highlights. Thank you, Kevin.
02:40:33.97	Unknown	Yes.
02:41:30.40	Unknown	Thank you, Director McGowan, please.
02:41:32.14	Unknown	Thank you.
02:41:32.17	Kevin McGowan	Thank you city manager good evening mayor city council members Kevin McGowan public works director for the city Sausalito item five C before you this evening is a discussion regarding the 2425 resurfacing project.
02:41:45.84	Kevin McGowan	Next slide, please.
02:41:49.43	Kevin McGowan	Over the last year, the city has been completing construction on several complex projects, including the repair and the plate replacement of the concrete surface on Edwards Avenue. Some of the pictures on this slide were taken last week on that construction. The project includes the installation of asphalt on a gradual roadway slope and the replacement of a concrete roadway surface on the steeper sections of the roadway. This is a very complex project, especially with residents on this roadway trying to gain access and having the concrete cure while the roadway was setting up. This is a complex project of less than 900 feet in length with a significant price tag of over a million dollars in order to get it finished. Next slide please.
02:42:40.13	Kevin McGowan	In 2022, Pavement Engineering Incorporated developed a pavement management program for the city of Sausalito, which provides a rating for all of the city's 26 miles of roadways.
02:42:54.76	Kevin McGowan	The rating is called the Pavement Condition Index, or PCI.
02:42:59.23	Kevin McGowan	In 2022, the city's average PCI was 58 out of 100.
02:43:05.54	Kevin McGowan	An optimal rating is about 70 on the PSI scale. The report noted that the city can increase its PCI rating by dedicating more resources to repair and resurface its roadways. An allocation of 1.8 million annually
02:43:23.14	Kevin McGowan	would not change the average PCI in the city and an allocation of about 2.9 million stated in the report would increase the city's PCI on average five points over five years. Next slide please.
02:43:41.77	Kevin McGowan	The report also provided details on which streets, based on the data collected, would be prioritized for repair with each treatment.
02:43:52.20	Kevin McGowan	This included resurfacing an entire street, micro surfing, micro surfacing.
02:43:57.90	Kevin McGowan	a street as well to extend its life expectancy and performing crack sealing to reduce water infiltration and extend the life expectancy of each roadway surface.
02:44:10.54	Kevin McGowan	Next slide.
02:44:13.87	Kevin McGowan	Public Works utilizes the recommendations in the report to refine the roadway repair list. We start with the recommendations in the report and then perform field reviews of each street to determine if the repairs are warranted. In addition, we receive input from the public as well as our maintenance staff on which roads we should review and may be
02:44:48.97	Kevin McGowan	include in the pavement list, pavement repair list. Staff performs field reviews and develops a preliminary estimate for the repairs of each of these roads. These are very rough estimates. Cost for resurfacing and construction can significantly change each fiscal year, especially with labor costs and material costs changing so radically each fiscal year.
02:45:13.96	Kevin McGowan	For some of our grants, such as SB1 funding, the city is required to develop a list of streets on projects for which the state funding is applied. So that's the funding that our city manager just just mentioned. Next slide, please.
02:45:31.48	Kevin McGowan	Staff included a 2024-25 resurfacing program in the capital improvement program budget. This year, the total amount recommended was $1.95 million, which includes soft cost as well as construction cost. Staff estimated the construction costs of about $1.6 million could be supported by this allocation, which is slightly less than the 1.8 million recommended in the pavement management plan program. However, if you add in the SB1 funding of 184,000, we're getting quite close to that 1.8 million. Next slide, please.
02:46:15.38	Kevin McGowan	The 2024-25 resurfacing list recommended by staff includes micro-ceiling as well as resurfacing and repairing several roads here in town. Preliminarily, staff estimates the construction cost for this work to be about 1.2 million. Based on these, based on this, an additional 400,000 could be allocated to additional roadways. And I wanted to kind of cover a couple of those. Next slide, please.
02:46:46.11	Kevin McGowan	Our maintenance division staff has identified three roadways that should be addressed in the next resurfacing cycle. The cost for these roadway repairs is about $200,000. These are noted at the top of the slide here, and I'll run through each one of these in a couple minutes. Keep in mind that these numbers are very preliminary, like I mentioned before. One of the next steps for this project is to secure the services of an engineering firm to develop the plan specifications and estimates for the work, including additional roadways in this list, such as microceiling bridgeway in the downtown area, will allow the city to obtain an estimate or a more refined estimate of the work on the roadway and keep it on our list for the next fiscal year if insufficient funding is, if we don't have sufficient funding to cover it this year.
02:47:39.32	Kevin McGowan	Next slide, please. So a couple quick pictures for you on some additional areas that have risen from our maintenance staff. This is North Street at 3rd, and it continues to have surface cracking and water coming up through those cracks, which tells us that we have some, we've got some water in the sub base. Staff is recommending the removal and the replacement of this concrete section, which can be rather expensive, but it's important to address it. Next slide.
02:48:13.83	Kevin McGowan	A similar issue is occurring on Easterby and Pearl. This situation has a lot of cracking in the old concrete roadway, and we feel that this should actually be repaired as well.
02:48:26.42	Kevin McGowan	Next slide.
02:48:29.12	Kevin McGowan	Coloma Street sidewalk project, the Coloma Street sidewalk project has been on the city's list for some time. It has some funding from the Safe Routes to School Program
02:48:38.38	Kevin McGowan	but has lacked sufficient funding to complete the project, which includes resurfacing of the roadway.
02:48:44.15	Kevin McGowan	preliminarily.
02:48:45.15	Kevin McGowan	This project needs an additional $650,000 to be completed.
02:48:49.30	Kevin McGowan	allocation of some resurfacing funding
02:48:52.41	Kevin McGowan	to this project in the future.
02:48:54.53	Kevin McGowan	may be important to complete the work. So the idea here is if we want to allocate additional funding for this, we can. But to complete the project, we might need to do that over several years.
02:49:08.57	Kevin McGowan	Next slide, please. Sorry. Bridgeway, as it runs through downtown, is an important area for the city. While the roadway is in fair shape with a PCI of about 59, its surface material appears to be degrading, such that applying a microsurface in this section of roadway would prolong its life expectancy. So we might want to consider this on the list.
02:49:33.53	Kevin McGowan	In addition, signage and striping for this area has faded. Applying a new micro seal and new delineation will improve many aspects for motorists, cyclists, as well as pedestrians. Next slide.
02:49:49.33	Kevin McGowan	And then another one I've listed in the staff report is Gate 5 Road has been impacted by tidal waters back flowing into the drainage system on the roadway and impacting the roadway condition. Staff has cleaned this drainage system and has televised it.
02:50:07.97	Kevin McGowan	And DPW televised the system and found that settlement is a cause of the joints between the pipes separating. So that at the bottom of each pipe, it has a little bit of a gap and you have water infiltrating the system from underneath the pipe itself. Kind of an interesting project. However, DPW would like to line this entire system in order to try to seal it and make other improvements in the area with the intent of trying to keep tidal waters coming up into the roadway itself.
02:50:41.67	Kevin McGowan	If we can complete this type of work for the drainage system, resurfacing the road would be the next logical step.
02:50:48.93	Kevin McGowan	Next slide.
02:50:52.74	Kevin McGowan	So if council wishes to add streets to the current list DPW, current engineering list, engineering will review the streets and modify the current list and develop a rough estimate. Staff will return to council on July 30th to request approval to submit the list to the state in order to receive SB1 funding. Following this effort, DPW will issue a request for proposal to develop the bid package and work to refine the estimates. Next slide.
02:51:26.64	Kevin McGowan	All right. Staff would like to thank the members of the public, our maintenance staff, as well as the council for assisting with developing the list of projects. Now, even if we have a list that we developed today and we submit it to the state, we can change it further on down the line. There isn't there is no specific reason that that list cannot be changed. The state of California simply wants to know what funding, the funding that they will be allocating to the city of Sausalito. They want to know if it's going to be dedicated to roadway work.
02:51:58.50	Kevin McGowan	And that's the main intent.
02:51:59.78	Kevin McGowan	So that concludes my
02:52:01.69	Kevin McGowan	Hopefully short presentation at this late hour, and I'll try not to be Elmer Fudd when I say Wodeway Wipaz in the future.
02:52:08.48	Unknown	Thank you, Director McGowan. Other questions, please, for Director McGowan from anyone on the dives or online? Go ahead, Councilmember Hoffman.
02:52:18.13	Jill Hoffman	This is a question for, sorry, Council Member Gowan. And let me ask the first one, just a clarifying statement from our city attorney. So, city attorney, we talked about this beforehand and also about, there are roads on here that, my street, and also I think maybe some other council members that come close to their houses. But as you told me, because we're talking about resurfacing existing streets, the ethical rules don't prohibit us from acting on this, right?
02:52:52.18	Sergio	Yeah, there's an express exception for decisions that can solely concern repair, replacement, or maintenance of existing streets, water steward, storm drainage, or similar facilities. Council members are not required to recuse themselves due to ownership of real property as long as the decision is basically about repair of existing streets.
02:53:15.17	Jill Hoffman	Thanks for that. So I do have a question for Director McGowan. I think it was on one of your slides, Director McGowan, where you talked about the overall budget. And it looked to me like it was a reduction of the budget that was actually allocated.
02:53:33.37	Jill Hoffman	Do I have that right or have I got that?
02:53:36.07	Kevin McGowan	Well, the CIP document that I reviewed had $1.95 million for that specific resurfacing project. I don't believe that's changed at this point. If we add in SB1 funding, that will increase that amount by another $184,000.
02:53:53.69	Jill Hoffman	And so the current plan is to maintain our current failing score of the pavement index number of 58.
02:54:02.38	Kevin McGowan	We are trying to comply with the pavement report, which suggests that we put in 1.8 million each year in order to maintain the current rating of 58.
02:54:15.39	Jill Hoffman	Thank you.
02:54:17.00	Jill Hoffman	Those are my questions.
02:54:19.98	Jill Hoffman	Any other questions? Sorry, I had a follow-on follow-on. Go right ahead. Director McGowan, was the budget reduced for, you said there was a change, but was it actually reduced at some point?
02:54:21.00	Unknown	Any other questions?
02:54:23.81	Unknown	Go right ahead.
02:54:35.98	Kevin McGowan	I'm not aware of it being reduced from the capital improvement program to this point in time. It's still the same.
02:54:43.39	Jill Hoffman	Thanks.
02:54:48.08	Unknown	Vice Mayor.
02:54:50.12	Karen Hollweg	Karen Hollweg, I understand that this list of projects is a prerequisite to grant funding, my question is, may we make modifications to this initial list once submitted.
02:55:03.98	Karen Hollweg	in support of our request for grant funding in the event that circumstances change or for other
02:55:11.17	Karen Hollweg	you know, reasons within our discretion.
02:55:13.90	Kevin McGowan	Yes, that's definitely the case. We can make changes as we work our way along, adding or reducing streets. The state is just interested in knowing whether we're applying that funding to maintenance of our roadways.
02:55:27.23	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. And thank you for your effort to secure these funds for us.
02:55:35.03	Unknown	Any other questions?
02:55:37.98	Janelle Kelman	Just wondering, Director McGowan, could you speak a little bit more to the Gate 5 project and the causation and whether you see that happening in other parts of town?
02:55:47.41	Kevin McGowan	So the causation. So right now, this is just my opinion. I don't have any engineering firms that have come back in to do a full review. My opinion is that this area has settled over time and that the concrete pipe that runs down the street itself has settled in the center so that you have water coming up. In addition, we also have neighboring properties that pump their stormwater to gate five as well. So if they... so that you have water coming up. In addition, we also have neighboring properties that pump their stormwater to gate five as well. So if they get tidal action coming back in through their
02:56:19.88	Kevin McGowan	Thank you.
02:56:20.45	Kevin McGowan	They're
02:56:21.68	Kevin McGowan	pipe systems or wherever it is, it'll go into gate five also. So we're kind of addressing gate five in an incremental approach. At first we were trying to identify what we thought were the issues and that had to do with a tide gate that had failed. It also had to do with televising the pipe and making sure that was all clean. Our next step is to sleeve the pipe. Let's do that next and And, you know, if that's going to help us in installing that tide gate, we will know that because we get tides coming up every week.
02:56:54.61	Kevin McGowan	So the intent is one step at a time. Let's go to the next steps. If we still get tidal water back in this section, then we'll need to take another look at this entire system.
02:57:05.61	Janelle Kelman	And so just from a strategic planning perspective, you know, Gate 5 has been flooding for a very long time.
02:57:14.77	Janelle Kelman	What are some ways that we can help your department prioritize things like that when we're looking at our roadways and our infrastructure projects?
02:57:25.22	Kevin McGowan	So I think our method here at the city, similar to other places, is to make sure that we include these type of projects in our capital plan and make sure that we identify them up front so that you as a council can prioritize them yourselves and tell us, hey, we really want to concentrate on Marinship or on Gate 5 or other places. So the intent is to use that system we have in place so that we can work on those as you would like us to.
02:57:52.03	Janelle Kelman	Okay, and so I have one more question around the prioritizations. I think a question for you and the city manager slash city attorney, which is we're investing a lot of intellectual manpower into risk management.
02:58:03.61	Janelle Kelman	How is the work that the city attorney and the city manager have been doing around our risk assessment, hiring a risk manager, playing into some of the prioritization of some of these projects? You showed us some...
02:58:14.73	Janelle Kelman	pretty large cracks in roads and things like that. How is the department, maybe it's a question for the city manager, but how are we working together to help influence that prioritization?
02:58:24.79	Unknown	Thank you for the question, Councilmember Kellman. We will do more work to make sure that if there are dangerous conditions, that we address them immediately, irrespective of the budget or the program that's adopted, because that is a risk management need, I think, would be a necessity. We rely a lot on our staff to tell us where there are real problems so that we can address them as quickly as possible, because once we know about them, we're compelled to fix them. That's part of our risk approach. And then secondly, you know, continually to talk about, you know, how we do better with our our pavement management, whether it's streets and sidewalks. We really want to make sure that we try to figure out an approach that will allow us to not tread water, which is what this program is this year. It's treading water. It is not improving our pavement engine. It's no better, no worse than last year, and we stay at 58, which I believe is unacceptable. So in the next coming month, I would work with our team on an expedited basis to try to start thinking about how we up the ante and become more aggressive in our pavement improvement program so that our risk profile can go down, our pavement management can go up. But I can assure you, if we have a problem where there is something that's of imminent concern or danger to the public or anything, we want to address that independent of this program.
02:59:59.68	Unknown	Any other questions?
03:00:02.38	Unknown	Councilmember Hoffman, your hand is still up.
03:00:04.81	Jill Hoffman	Yeah, I have a question. So with regard to Gate 5 Road, can you remind me, or Director McGowan, sorry. Director McGowan, can you remind us, Gate 5 Road, does the city own Gate 5 Road or is that private land?
03:00:21.01	Kevin McGowan	So there are portions of Gate 5 Road that are not owned by the city. The portions that we are looking at, which tend to run from Harbor down to Coloma,
03:00:30.42	Unknown	Mama.
03:00:31.30	Kevin McGowan	those are city maintained roadways. That section is city maintained.
03:00:36.21	Jill Hoffman	Thank you so much for that clarification. I just couldn't remember.
03:00:41.76	Unknown	Okay, no other questions. We'll go to public comment. City Clerk.
03:00:47.03	Unknown	Mr. Moore?
03:00:50.15	Mr. Moore	Thank you very much. Maybe you could help educate the public if there is a list of prioritizing the various roadway. I know the list Ms. McGowan presented didn't address a lot of streets up in the hills that are in desperate need of work. Montemar, I mean, you have to get a, probably get an adjustment on your wheels or get a flat tire going up to the freeway because there's so many potholes and cracks and broken down streets. So I'm assuming somewhere there's a list of all the streets that are being prioritized, one to 50 or whatever, and how the repairs are going to go. If you go to the public, know where they can find that and then how best to communicate other streets that may not be on that list. I know there's a Fix It app that's available to the public. I'm not sure if there's other ways to best communicate that for your consideration. Thank you.
03:01:42.11	Unknown	Thank you, Mr. Moore, Ms. Merrill. Do you want to answer that question? We'll come on up, Director McGowan, sure. Ms. Merrill, then we'll get to you.
03:01:50.14	Kevin McGowan	So those are all great suggestions. Monty Mar from Curry to US 101 is on our list for resurfacing this year.
03:01:57.02	Unknown	maybe you could just direct where members of the public can see the full list. And I think it was the staff report associated with the presentation. Yes. On the parking improvement program. I'm sorry, the pavement improvement program.
03:02:04.74	Kevin McGowan	Yes.
03:02:06.76	Kevin McGowan	Well,
03:02:09.09	Kevin McGowan	So that I will make sure that the pavement improvement program is on our website so that we can reference it. I think it's there already, but let me look into that. If you have questions, please contact me at the city.
03:02:22.52	Unknown	There you go. If you want to know about your street, contact Director McGowan.
03:02:26.42	Unknown	Ms. Merrill.
03:02:28.14	Ms. Merrill	Hello.
03:02:29.10	Ms. Merrill	I have a question. So one of the things you guys talked about when we were talking about the charter city is that we won't get
03:02:37.63	Ms. Merrill	funding from the state, or we won't get the same kind of help from the state if we have a charter city. If I've got that wrong, you can tell me. If that's true, this SB1 funding, is that something that we would get from the state if we had a charter city?
03:02:55.53	Ms. Merrill	It's curious. I'm just curious if I'm connecting the dots correctly. Thank you.
03:03:00.66	Ms. Merrill	Thank you, Ms. Merrill.
03:03:02.64	Babette McDougal	And then online we have Babette McDougall.
03:03:06.08	Ms. Merrill	Thank you.
03:03:06.09	Unknown	They put the same number, same code.
03:03:09.98	Babette McDougal	Thank you.
03:03:10.01	Unknown	Bye-bye.
03:03:10.92	Babette McDougall	He was.
03:03:11.12	Babette McDougall	Can you hear me all right?
03:03:12.73	Unknown	We can go right ahead.
03:03:14.09	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
03:03:15.97	Babette McDougall	So first of all, thank you for, I don't know that I have ever
03:03:21.52	Babette McDougall	heard in the city council chambers in all my years
03:03:24.76	Babette McDougall	This kind of direct discussion
03:03:26.95	Babette McDougall	about the nitty-gritty of Gate 5 roads.
03:03:29.48	Babette McDougall	So I really appreciate that, Director McGowan. Thank you.
03:03:32.89	Babette McDougall	And
03:03:33.57	Babette McDougall	I hope our city manager has had something to do with that because I've seen him down there himself.
03:03:39.29	Babette McDougall	talking to the local merchants. So I'm really delighted to see this. So I'm all in favor. I just wanna remind you all that our infrastructure tax dollars are being held
03:03:52.00	Babette McDougall	And
03:03:52.53	Babette McDougall	And they constitute an emergency rainy day fund at the Metropolitan Transportation Commission.
03:03:59.23	Babette McDougall	The fund is a rainy day fund is into the billions of our infrastructure tax dollars. I say we ought to tell them this is a rainy day fund need. Why don't they just give us our tax money for infrastructure so that we can get busy? And this idea that every time we have to apply to them for a grant and sign a loyalty oath, I have never heard of such. That's scary. I say don't do it, but give us our money. They have no right to hold it. Thank you.
03:04:28.90	Babette McDougal	Next speaker is Sandra Bushmaker.
03:04:36.24	Sandra Bushmaker	Hello again. I just wanted to report that the Fix-It app is not working. I had uninstalled it and reinstalled it several times and it does not allow
03:04:48.17	Sandra Bushmaker	access to the report a problem or to report a request.
03:04:52.46	Sandra Bushmaker	So it does not stay on that page. It's just something that I think might wanna be looked at
03:04:59.14	Sandra Bushmaker	Um,
03:05:00.86	Sandra Bushmaker	I don't know if the rest of the world is dealing with that, but I certainly am.
03:05:05.67	Sandra Bushmaker	Because I've used it before and it works great.
03:05:09.50	Sandra Bushmaker	And because I have issues also up here.
03:05:11.97	Sandra Bushmaker	on Sausalito Boulevard.
03:05:13.55	Sandra Bushmaker	that I'd like to report.
03:05:15.31	Sandra Bushmaker	Just as an aside,
03:05:17.79	Sandra Bushmaker	20 some years ago, we had a pavement management
03:05:21.58	Sandra Bushmaker	system.
03:05:22.63	Sandra Bushmaker	It was called PMS, which caused a great
03:05:26.38	Sandra Bushmaker	round of laughter on the dais every time we talked about PMS. So I'm glad to see we have an updated system and I look forward to better streets in Sausalito, better than 58. Thank you.
03:05:43.01	Unknown	No further public speakers. So we'll close public comment. Is there any direction?
03:05:49.51	Unknown	on this matter.
03:05:50.88	Unknown	or a discussion.
03:05:55.18	Unknown	Okay.
03:05:55.52	Janelle Kelman	I'll just repeat, Mayor, what I said earlier. I'm delighted to see Gate 5 Road getting the attention that it deserves. And I think...
03:05:55.64	Unknown	Thank you.
03:06:02.52	Janelle Kelman	somebody to consider any of the SB1 monies
03:06:06.54	Janelle Kelman	I think it would be interesting to know what you discover as the causation.
03:06:09.26	Janelle Kelman	And I think that could open up additional funding for us should we find that it subsides in towards some type of climate risk
03:06:15.89	Janelle Kelman	there are additional monies. And I also want to be on the lookout for other types of, um,
03:06:21.73	Janelle Kelman	areas where you're seeing similar causation, which I'm sure you'll already flag. So thank you for this. I'm
03:06:29.08	Janelle Kelman	Yeah, long overdue and very happy to see it. And I know a lot of hard work and prioritization goes into it. So I appreciate it.
03:06:38.21	Unknown	Councilmember Hoffman.
03:06:41.12	Jill Hoffman	Just thank you, too. Thank you, and I support the resurfacing and the roadway work. I look forward to the time that we can devote more money to get the pavement index number up. So I know that we have budget constraints now, but I appreciate Kevin's hard work and the work of his team to prioritize and help us to hit the highest priority needs. So thank you.
03:06:49.11	Unknown	Thank you.
03:06:49.15	Babette McDougall	And like,
03:07:08.40	Unknown	Councilmember Cox? Vice Mayor Cox?
03:07:10.99	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. I am grateful that the grant funding we are seeking allows us flexibility in our list of, in our road resurfacing list. And so I will go ahead and move that we adopt
03:07:26.31	Karen Hollweg	the proposed 2024-25 road
03:07:30.39	Karen Hollweg	resurfacing list, including
03:07:33.44	Karen Hollweg	the alternative roadways, which staff recommended, including as bid alternates, which can be included in the project,
03:07:40.19	Karen Hollweg	depending upon the cost of the work.
03:07:45.48	Mark Blastings	Second.
03:07:46.73	Unknown	Okay, that's a motion made in seconded.
03:07:49.97	Babette McDougal	Call them.
03:07:51.47	Unknown	Yes, very quick.
03:07:52.50	Mark Blastings	Oh.
03:07:52.53	Unknown	of the
03:07:52.67	Unknown	Thank you.
03:07:52.78	Babette McDougal	Can't tell him we lost him.
03:07:54.89	Mark Blastings	Yes.
03:07:56.19	Babette McDougal	Uh, council member, uh, Hoffman.
03:08:01.37	Mark Blastings	Yes.
03:08:02.59	Babette McDougal	Council member, common.
03:08:04.50	Janelle Kelman	you
03:08:04.55	Babette McDougal	Yes.
03:08:04.66	Janelle Kelman	Thank you.
03:08:05.73	Babette McDougal	Vice Mayor Cox.
03:08:07.23	Babette McDougal	Yes. And Mayor Sobieski.
03:08:10.17	Unknown	Yes, motion carries unanimously. We'll now move on to item six, which is communication where items not on the agenda. If any member wishes to make public comment on an item not on the agenda, this is the time to do so.
03:08:22.69	Unknown	Are there any public comments here in the room for items not on the agenda?
03:08:27.48	Unknown	How about online, Mr. City Clerk?
03:08:29.07	Babette McDougal	We have Babette McDougal.
03:08:40.64	Babette McDougal	Bye-bye.
03:08:57.75	Babette McDougall	Thank you for unmuting me.
03:09:00.15	Babette McDougall	Okay, so I would just like to point out
03:09:03.31	Babette McDougall	that I actually think this was probably one of the best council meetings we've had all year, probably the best council meeting we've had all year. So thank you for tightening up the agenda. And thank you for doing such a good job of running the meeting, Mr. Mayor.
03:09:17.23	Babette McDougall	I thought it went really smoothly considering all the obstacles that got thrown at you from the technology side.
03:09:23.37	Babette McDougall	So I think this is part of
03:09:26.29	Babette McDougall	a better idea of trying to understand who we are as a community. You're in this job for another few months.
03:09:33.65	Babette McDougall	and
03:09:34.37	Babette McDougall	We have a long way to go yet. So I think it's important that we understand better your concern about the lack of adequate voice among investors in our community. And I think you were probably uniquely qualified to speak to this as we go forward, because Sausalito has always had its fair share of carpetbaggers.
03:09:54.18	Babette McDougall	And,
03:09:55.06	Babette McDougall	It is true that we must, as citizens and residents, we also, we of course love our business community. We couldn't survive without them. We all feel that way. Every citizen feels that way. So no one wants to exclude the businesses regardless of place of residence.
03:10:12.09	Babette McDougall	And the fact that they are here for the long term
03:10:14.70	Babette McDougall	acknowledging Cass is a wonderful thing because she's been here forever. I mean, it feels for as long as I've paid attention to the business community in Above Tide.
03:10:23.39	Babette McDougall	has been this spectacular property.
03:10:25.77	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
03:10:26.03	Babette McDougall	And it remains a spectacular property. So I appreciate the concern. I would just like to see it more...
03:10:32.76	Babette McDougall	openly and, uh,
03:10:35.07	Babette McDougall	vetted by as many points of view as possible as we go forward.
03:10:38.75	Babette McDougall	I think the more we engage this discussion, the better we'll understand this new culture that you speak of. Thank you.
03:10:49.53	Babette McDougal	seeing all the speakers.
03:10:51.46	Unknown	We'll close public comment and move on to council member committee reports. Is there any member who wishes to make a comment or make a report?
03:11:03.00	Unknown	Seeing none, we will close council member committee reports and move on to the city manager reports. Another council bit is a city manager.
03:11:10.58	Unknown	Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the council, members of the public, I have a written report on the 4th of July parking revenue, which is included. I don't need to speak to it. Brian Vitale said it was $22,000. It was also about $22,000 last year. And some of the concerns raised by residents and businesses about how we charge for off-lot parking we are working on and will address, knowing that there is a parking committee that we will work with to try to understand how we deal best with holidays, with employees, with residents, and with the changes in parking technology on a go-forward basis. Thank you.
03:11:53.03	Unknown	Thank you, Mr City Manager. There's now an opportunity for the public to yes.
03:11:57.08	Janelle Kelman	I'm sorry, I have a question for the city manager. Who is on the parking committee?
03:12:01.32	Unknown	that.
03:12:01.45	Unknown	Thank you.
03:12:01.84	Unknown	That is a mayor appointed committee.
03:12:04.04	Unknown	Yeah, that's something that I pointed out.
03:12:08.86	Unknown	I'm going to be a little hard pressed to remember all the names. I'm not on the committee myself. It's not any of us. No city council members. It's
03:12:13.47	Janelle Kelman	Many of us.
03:12:18.65	Unknown	Ah, truly.
03:12:21.65	Janelle Kelman	How about a one-way communication tomorrow? I'll be quick.
03:12:22.58	Unknown	tomorrow.
03:12:24.57	Unknown	Rather than forgetting someone, let me set it up.
03:12:27.36	Unknown	um,
03:12:30.88	Unknown	So now is there any public comment on the city manager? Oh.
03:12:36.23	Unknown	Thank you.
03:12:36.27	Jill Hoffman	I have my hand for a question.
03:12:36.33	John Paul	Yeah.
03:12:39.54	Jill Hoffman	Thanks for having me.
03:12:40.35	Unknown	Yes, please.
03:12:41.35	Jill Hoffman	Okay. City Manager, in the report, the written report, I sent you an email this afternoon. I'm sure you haven't seen it with all the monitors of emails, so I should have sent you a text too. But you note that we did increase, I think there was back when
03:13:00.28	Jill Hoffman	Mayor Sobieski and I were on the parking committee and we got the Dixon report. One of the initiatives we had was to raise the meters up to the same rate that were in the parking lots. And you note in your report that
03:13:01.50	Unknown	move.
03:13:20.78	Jill Hoffman	We did that over Memorial Day weekend, but
03:13:26.81	Jill Hoffman	that concern was voiced. This is what you say. Your concern was voiced. This was an impediment to the business environment and saw something undetrimental and that the rate was returned back to the original rate. And I'm wondering who, um,
03:13:43.50	Jill Hoffman	Who was it that brought forward this concern about the impediment to the business environment and who made the decision to lower the rate of the meters? Because I believe that was a city council directive to raise the rates at the meters to the same rate as the parking lots.
03:14:01.00	Unknown	Thank you for the question, Council Member Hoffman. The request to consider this came at a city council meeting by an appearance from the floor where they stated that this was going to be harmful because people were confused about that $25 rate being consistent. And it was hard for a business to serve a cup of coffee and someone pay a $25 parking fee on the street. So the current ordinance provides a lot of latitude for the city manager to set these rates on holiday weekends. So it was my decision that can be undone, certainly, by the city council, because I've heard from others on the council that they would like to see, you know, the Dixon recommendation adhere to. I took it off just to provide some relief until we could figure out how to notify people better that on certain holidays, you know, we are looking at, you know, different ways of charging people, broadcasting that more aggressively than we have than just implementing it, which we did for about a year, as far as increasing the rates to $25 dollars in the lots and then following that with something else on top of that. And it seemed like I had overreached, so I pulled back, but I can easily take direction from the council and implement the will that you want in terms of how we charge people on the meters.
03:15:28.31	Jill Hoffman	I think, yeah, I mean, if we have the, and I know we have it, so as part of the one-way communication, I'd like to know what the revenue was over Memorial Day weekend for the increased rates, you know, for the meters, because we are looking at, you know, direct revenue to the city from parking is one of our best revenue sources, frankly. And, you know, we're talking about different models right now where we're losing significant amounts of parking downtown anyway with a significant loss of revenue so I mean we're talking about 30 spots in parking lot one and as many as 10 to 14 more along the street where the new bicycle corral is proposed.
03:15:44.15	Unknown	you know,
03:16:12.96	Jill Hoffman	Anyway, I think I would appreciate being informed and that maybe we do need to have a conversation about
03:16:22.48	Jill Hoffman	So...
03:16:22.97	Jill Hoffman	If the council gives direction to increase rates, then I think we need to have that consistent
03:16:31.01	Unknown	Understood. We'll provide you more detail. Thank you.
03:16:35.47	Jill Hoffman	Thank you.
03:16:38.59	Unknown	Vice Mayor.
03:16:38.96	Unknown	Thank you, sir.
03:16:40.67	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. With the city manager's response, I think it's probably appropriate that we have this as a discussion item, since this is just the city manager's.
03:16:50.89	Karen Hollweg	report, but I will note that the members of the business community who spoke up at a prior meeting
03:16:56.78	Karen Hollweg	expressed concern that they were losing business because
03:17:00.43	Karen Hollweg	of the
03:17:02.59	Karen Hollweg	extremely high
03:17:03.79	Karen Hollweg	rates on the streets, not necessarily in the lots, but on the streets. And
03:17:09.69	Karen Hollweg	Obviously, as Scott Thornburg pointed out,
03:17:13.07	Karen Hollweg	40% of our revenue come from our businesses. And so I think we have to walk the fine line between
03:17:19.33	Karen Hollweg	determining what's the appropriate
03:17:22.55	Karen Hollweg	what's an appropriate solution that,
03:17:26.70	Karen Hollweg	walks that fine line between the importance of not disincentivizing businesses,
03:17:33.40	Karen Hollweg	visitors versus capitalizing on revenue opportunities on holiday weekends. So I look forward to that.
03:17:42.95	Karen Hollweg	further discussion. Thank you.
03:17:47.19	Unknown	Okay, public comment please for these items, City Clerk.
03:17:51.85	Babette McDougal	We have Babette McDougall.
03:18:00.54	Babette McDougall	Good evening again. Thank you.
03:18:02.39	Babette McDougall	First of all, with regard to this parking revenue issue,
03:18:06.36	Babette McDougall	I appreciate that.
03:18:08.49	Babette McDougall	I don't recall which of you,
03:18:10.14	Babette McDougall	But I heard a voice drawing a corollary line between those
03:18:16.21	Babette McDougall	Folks who are not residents or somehow, you know, invested in the town, but they're coming to the town because they want to play here, which is great. But, you know, there's this issue where they sort of flood the neighborhoods. Now, I have to say July 4th was a much better place.
03:18:30.86	Babette McDougall	than last year's Caledonia Fair. So obviously we're moving in the right direction. But it occurs to me, when we talk about revenue and the revenue derived from parking and what it's used for, have we ever given any thought to what percentage might be brought specifically back to those neighborhoods most heavily impacted by the influx of this event traffic flow? Because it does take a toll on the very roads that the sidewalk ordinance, for example, tasks the residents to take charge of financially and otherwise. So I would just invite your consideration about
03:19:07.24	Babette McDougall	That integrated picture, once again, it's not an us and them environment in Sausalito, believe it or not.
03:19:13.64	Babette McDougall	It's all interconnected, which is why, for example, the issues are not localized to neighborhoods. Everybody in town cares as much about the marineship.
03:19:22.01	Babette McDougall	as they do about the downtown.
03:19:24.83	Babette McDougall	and as they do about the ferry landing.
03:19:27.00	Babette McDougall	So the issue of parking revenue, and when the neighborhoods have to kick in,
03:19:31.81	Babette McDougall	on those occasions as they are kicking in,
03:19:35.22	Babette McDougall	How does that remit or mitigate back to the neighborhoods themselves? Thank you.
03:19:45.30	Unknown	No further public speakers. Okay, we'll close public comment. And that brings us to the end of the meeting. Thank you, everyone. We'll adjourn and see you in two weeks. Good night.
03:19:52.60	Mark Blastings	Thank you.
03:19:54.39	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. Good night.
03:19:58.10	Jill Hoffman	For no.