City Council Oct 1, 2024

Oct 1

City Council Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:00:00	None: None	The meeting of the City Council for October 1, 2024, is called to order in Council Chambers and broadcast live on the city's website and cable TV channel 27.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:00:12	I: CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL & ADJOURN TO CLOSED SESSION	The meeting was called to order, and the roll was called. Mr. St. Clair announced the items to be discussed in closed session: existing litigation (Yes in My Backyard vs. the City of Sausalito), anticipated litigation (significant exposure pursuant to 54956.91 case), initiation of litigation (pursuant to government code section 54956.91 case), and existing litigation (Schrader vs. the City of Sausalito, Marin County Superior Court case number CV0002988) (00:00:29). There was no public comment on these items, and the council adjourned to closed session, planning to return at 7 p.m. (00:01:21). Upon returning from the closed session, Mr. St. Clair announced that he recused himself from items two and three, concerning significant exposure to litigation and the initiation of litigation, due to potential impacts on his real property interests (00:01:31). There were no reports from closed session other than Mr. St. Clair's recusal. The meeting then moved on to the Pledge of Allegiance.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:02:08	II: RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION - 7:00 PM	Mr. St. Clair announced that Vice Mayor Cox will be stepping down from the sewer subcommittee, and Councilmember Jill Hoffman will be joining Councilmember Janelle Kelman on the subcommittee (00:02:22).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:02:44	1: SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS/MAYOR'S ANNOUNCEMENTS	Councilmember Hoffman participated remotely, citing medical issues as the reason for just cause, and confirmed no other adults were in the room with her (00:03:21). The city attorney confirmed that no vote was needed, only notification of the just cause appearance (00:03:36). Councilmember Kelman requested that the volume be increased so that they can hear Councilmember Hoffman more clearly (00:03:58).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

00:04:30	2: ACTION MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING	Councilmember Kelman moved to adopt the minutes, which was seconded. Mr. St. Clair called for a vote, specifying that all items needed to be approved by roll call vote per the city attorney (00:04:43). There was a call for public comment. A commenter wanted to comment on Item 1 and was told that public comment was only for the minutes of the July 30, 2024 meeting (00:05:26). Babette McDougall was called but had technical difficulties and was unable to provide public comment (00:06:45). Public comment was closed. A roll call vote was conducted, and the motion passed unanimously.	Motion to adopt the minutes, passed unanimously by roll call vote. (00:07:20)	2 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 2 Neutral
00:05:13 Unknown was Neutral: The commenter wanted to provide comment on Item 1, the combination of announcements and minutes, but was told the public comment period was only for the minutes of the July 30, 2024 meeting (00:05:26). 00:05:36 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Ms. McDougall was called for public comment, but experienced technical difficulties and was unable to unmute herself to speak.
00:07:45	3: CONSENT CALENDAR	The council is considering the consent calendar, and the clerk announces there is one public comment. Jeff Jacob Chase speaks about historical kings and prophets, then alleges that the city clerk threatened to call the police on him for running for office. He claims that a $50,000 agenda item for the Sausalito side is going to the police department for no purpose and involves a boat owned by a city worker. Another commenter said they were removed from item one and wanted to make a comment and also wanted to discuss the removal of a person exercising their first amendment rights. The Mayor limited the scope of the public comments to the Save Grant program and appointment of Council Member Hoffman to the sewer subcommittee (00:11:16). The city attorney noted that the public did have the opportunity to comment on item number one during a special meeting (00:11:37). Councilmember Kelman made a motion to adopt the consent calendar (00:12:16).	Councilmember Kelman moved to adopt the consent calendar, and the motion passed unanimously. (00:12:16)	2 Total: 0 In Favor 2 Against 0 Neutral
00:08:08 Jeff Jacob Chase was Against: Mr. Chase spoke about historical kings and prophets and then alleged that the city clerk threatened to call the police on him for running for office. He claims that a $50,000 agenda item for the Sausalito side is going to the police department for no purpose and involves a boat owned by a city worker. 00:10:32 Unknown was Against: The commenter said they were removed from item one and wanted to make a comment and also wanted to discuss the removal of a person exercising their first amendment rights.
00:12:49	5.A): Study Session and Presentation Regarding Draft Amended 2023-2031 Housing Element, Including Modifications to Housing Element Programs and Proposed Opportunity Sites	Director Phipps introduces the item, providing background on the draft amended housing element, which was initiated due to changes in the city's approach to development standards, feedback from county and state agencies, and concerns about potential development scale and impacts in the historic district and waterfront areas. The amended housing element aims to revise the site inventory and programs while promoting housing goals, focusing on programs related to site inventory, public property conversion, and development review procedures. The next steps include study sessions and public hearings before the Planning Commission and City Council, with a final version submitted to the State Department of Housing and Community Development (HCD) for review. Beth Thompson of DeNovo Planning Group then presents a detailed overview of the amended housing element, including changes to programs 4, 8, and 19, focusing on site removals, additions, and modifications, particularly regarding density overlays in the historic district and waterfront areas (00:17:57). She notes that the changes collectively still accommodate the city's regional housing need allocation (RHNA). Ms. Thompson presented changes to individual sites with some sites seeing a reduction in unit capacity. Ms Thompson notes the draft EIR is out for public review and comments are due by October 21st (00:23:17). Councilmember Kelman requests clarification on several items, including the RHNA numbers and the meaning of housing and mixed-use designations (00:26:01). The importance of city-owned property in the mix is discussed. There was also discussion of a local ballot measure for Ordinance 1022 and Ordinance 1128.(00:21:22)	No Motion	22 Total: 0 In Favor 17 Against 5 Neutral
01:37:10 Linda Fudge was Against: Linda Fudge, a resident of Sausalito, emphasizes the need for more education on housing laws and transparency from the city. She believes the public is only getting one side of the story and should have access to HCD's communications with Sausalito. Fudge also criticizes the proposed objective design standards and the concentration of housing in the northern part of town, arguing it's unfair and that down zoning along Bridgeway is more than a minor thing, but is over 40% (01:37:48). 01:39:58 Adriana Dehanian was Against: Adriana Dehanian expresses concerns about building residential units on Martin Luther King Park, describing it as a city jewel. She highlights the park's heavy use by the community, including dog walkers, Zumba classes, pickleball, tennis, and soccer games, questioning where people will park if residential units are built and noting the noise created from the various activities (01:40:35). 01:42:13 Bert Drobnis was Against: Bert Drobnis, a 42-year resident, states that while nobody wants the 724 units, the city should distribute housing evenly throughout Sausalito, rather than concentrating it in North Sausalito. He suggests increasing density at the One Harbor Plaza site to offset the proposed development at MLK Park, which he opposes (01:42:24). Drobnis asserts a resident vote is needed to make changes to MLK Park. He also criticizes the idea of building a four-to seven-story building in the historic district and urges the council to correct what he feels is an error in including the Golden Gate National Recreation Area in Sausalito's land calculation. Lastly, says that with these changes would give you a really small increase in lower income development, but a larger increase in your above moderate. (01:42:57) 01:44:33 Mark Cohen was Against: Mark Cohen asks about who decides the density per acre of a particular lot and if there's recourse against that ruling, and states his belief it benefits developers, not the community. He expresses concern about a proposed development near his home and the lack of consideration for small neighborhoods, and expresses the need for more community input and transparency in the process (01:45:32). 01:47:07 SPEAKER_01 was Against: This speaker, Derek Bentley, a lifelong Sausalito resident who grew up near MLK Park, voices concerns about the feasibility and impact of building three-story structures, given his experiences with the area's soil and flood issues. He predicts parking and congestion issues and feels that the northern side of town is being unfairly targeted with housing development (01:47:28). 01:49:20 SPEAKER_10 was Against: Adriana Bentley, the previous speaker's wife, echoes concerns about increased density. She asks about ADUs being considered in the housing numbers and supports challenging the inclusion of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area in the land calculation. Expressing concern about the north side bearing a disproportionate burden, Adriana says we should take that, and wanted to express opposition as the owner for the houses along Bridgeway. (01:49:29) 01:51:15 Stacey Nemo was Against: Stacey Nemo criticizes the shifting of housing sites to northern Sausalito and points out the apparent unequal application of community sensitivity and preservation of views. Stacy also notes her concerns the Martin Luther King site is a building in the state historic register. She argues against removing Marina Plaza from consideration, stating that there are benefits in not having it removed that the waterfront would be ideal. (01:51:15) 01:53:25 Unknown was Against: This speaker wants the city to make the housing even more equitable and notes that the number of housing units being suggested will entice the developers, and increase the numbers even higher. This person is deeply concerned about the fact that there are areas of high wildfire risk near MKL park, and the mitigation of these measures is lacking from the ER report. (01:53:25) 01:54:41 Unknown was Against: A resident living near MLK Park expresses concern for safety with buildings being constructed next to the school, questions the validity of state housing law, expresses concern about protecting community values over state compliance, and wishes to explore other avenues (like developing land at the Golden Gate National Recreation Area). (01:54:41) 01:58:54 SPEAKER_23 was Against: The speaker questions the disparity in housing distribution, pointing out the concentration of affordable housing in a small area. They express concern that the community in MLK would say no and the city wants to know what happens then. They mention also that they feel that housing element planning has been shifted north. (01:58:54) 02:01:02 SPEAKER_05 was Against: This speaker feels the city ought to appeal to state laws that put GGNRA in it's jurisdiction and states there are consequences for not meeting requirements. The speaker also mentions they were told not to put in certain things to be put in that would make it fit (I take this to mean the housing element). (02:01:02) 02:03:01 SPEAKER_11 was Against: This speaker owns a building and feels she can't support density being implemented when their business is in the neighborhood. They make a point to state that they are all for community. The speaker also notes what would happen to their property values with these things going on in their area, and with high-density areas and the potential that they might now be able to resell their one-bedroom home. (02:03:01) 02:04:58 Michael Rex was Neutral: Michael Rex, a local architect, suggests spreading the units out more and creating more opportunity sites with less density and promoting more Senate Bill 9 lot splits and ADUs, creating more publicly owned sites and engaging in the implementation of developer agreements that encourage less square footage as part of any new density agreements. Lastly, that it would help to have a local peer review group to work to find some solutions. (02:04:58) 02:07:04 Arthur Giovara was Neutral: Arthur Giovara owns property next to Site 201 (Lincon Garage) and wants clear indication if the downzoning applies to his property or will that only apply if the new application is withdrawn. He feels staff are giving misinformation. (02:07:04) 02:08:37 Unknown was Neutral: The speaker suggests printing and posting slides with the density and site information in the community. Suggestion to use city own sites, and suggests that legislative solutions still remain on the table and should be used to reduce. Also, that zoning modifications might assist to reduce the scope of the problem and that zoning could be tied into a small development profile so that less square footage is needed to produce the unit numbers (02:08:37) 02:10:29 Jordan Dodds was Neutral: The speaker says that they are ok with more housing. They asked why should they use public lands when there are plenty of underdeveloped areas or privately held lands. They mentioned areas near a bike and cruise club and wonder that more collaborative development agreements, and that working with staff and stakeholders, there could be something done to make the developments more workable. (02:10:29) 02:11:50 Vivian Wall was Neutral: Vivian Wall wishes the council would revisit their initial decision to take the State number. She suggests that if that is followed Tiburon has lower numbers than Sausalito for arena requirements. She also notes that so many office buildings are empty in Marin County and that BCDC could allow us to have more live aboards. She suggests the height of the buildings should be at the heart of the conversation. Lastly, three dimensional drawings should show what things will look like to better inform the public (02:11:50). 02:14:21 SPEAKER_11 was Against: A business owner/tenant for 19 years on MLK, voices they found about the potential buildings being built in that area from Nextdoor, not from the city and notes she has always paid her rent on time. Her building is in a flood zone. Notes that all the development in that area has been high residential, and asks what solutions are available to her and that she cannot be for it. (02:14:21) 02:18:05 Unknown was Against: This speaker said that these plans are based on things that are rapidly changing, because of extreme weather events are more and more prevalent, and says that these cost benefits are rapidly skyrocketing. Notes that the city seems to ignore these costs and these potential hazards (02:18:05). 02:20:17 Ben Dean was Against: A resident near MLK Park expresses concerns about safety and property values. Ben feels there is an effort to force certain things down their throats. He also suggests more equitably distributing the housing throughout the city, and notes if that were to take place, he would be happy to work out solutions that take the interest of the city at heart and work for a better outcome. (02:20:17) 02:22:08 Unknown was Against: The speaker feels that they have had to make sacrifices for a few while she can see that some parts of Sausalito have not been making equal sacrifices. This seems to be having one area have all the lower income housing. This member seems to imply. They are highly concerned about equity and distribution of the units across the area. (02:22:08) 02:23:24 Unknown was Against: This speaker is coming from an area of concern for not being a senior and a long resident of the community. Because of that, this person feels that their views don't matter as much to the city council. This speaker owns a business in the community as well. Their business is also being highly impacted by these new building plans. It feels the decisions aren't based on logic or what is best for the overall town (02:23:24).
02:52:40	5.B): Study Session for Municipal Code Amendment: Adoption of More Comprehensive Objective Design and Development Standards (ODDS) and Form-Based Code	This study session focused on the proposed Municipal Code Amendment for adopting more comprehensive Objective Design and Development Standards (ODDS) and Form-Based Code. Director Phipps introduced the item, explaining the need for objective standards due to recent state housing laws limiting discretionary review. She acknowledged the work of consultants and the Planning Commission and the substantial overhaul of the ODDS by a peer review group, naming each member of the group. Bob Brown then provided a detailed presentation on the changes, emphasizing the elimination of odds zones, reduction in allowable building and frontage types, modifications to privacy regulations, and the addition of regulations for historic districts and view preservation. He clarified what projects the odds would and would not apply to, proposing an alternate approval process for compliant projects and cautioning about potential waivers under state density bonus law. He noted proposed zoning code changes, including density overlays for housing opportunity sites. The presentation highlighted that the odds are additive to existing code, restricting building placement and massing but not style or architectural design. A major focus was on view preservation, requiring view assessments using specialized software (that does not currently exist) to limit view blockage from public and private vantage points. Additional regulations for historic districts were presented, including a defining characteristics list for each property. The presentation concluded with next steps, aiming for council adoption in early December. Following the presentation, councilmembers asked clarifying questions. Councilmember Kelman raised concerns about the software's current non-existence and the timing of its testing, while St. Clair questioned how the building types related to view constraints. Michael Rex, architect Michael Rex, and David Marlott gave an overview of the Planning Commission's work, focusing on historic preservation and view-based standards. Sophia Collier presented the historic preservation context and also the view protection software, which drew most of the discussions from the council. Council discussed schedules, funding, and coordination with various agencies such as Esri and HCD.	No Motion	2 Total: 1 In Favor 1 Against 0 Neutral
04:06:59 Linda Fudge was Against: Linda Fudge stated the definition of Objective Design and Development Standards and questioned the source of funding given that the city is in deficit. She believed this opens the city up to litigation. 04:08:20 Stacey Nemo was In Favor: Stacey Nemo commented in favor of the efforts of the volunteer team, noting the previous size and inaccessibility of the ODDS documentation. She suggested consideration be given to solar racking.
04:22:14	5.C: Introduction and Waiver of First Reading of Ordinance No. 05-2024 An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Repealing and Replacing Chapter 3.30, “Purchase of Supplies, Equipment and Services and Procedures for Public Works Projects	The council is considering the introduction and waiver of the first reading for Ordinance No. 05-2024, which would repeal and replace Chapter 3.30 regarding the purchase of supplies, equipment, services, and procedures for public works projects. Mr. St. Clair inquires if any councilmembers have objections. Councilmember Kelman is prepared to approve it (04:24:17). Councilmember Hoffman abstains from voting because it is late and she needs more time to understand what the vote is about (04:26:30). Sergio explains that the recommended motion is to introduce the ordinance by title only and waive the first reading of Ordinance Number 05-2024, which includes changes to Section 208.160 to revise the purchasing duty to also make the city manager responsible for signing contracts when directed by the council (04:26:06).	Motion to approve the introduction and waive the first reading of Ordinance No. 05-2024 (04:24:28). Seconded (04:24:30).	1 Total: 0 In Favor 1 Against 0 Neutral
04:22:46 Beth McDougal was Against: Beth McDougal criticizes the council for not involving the public earlier in the process and for rushing the ordinance. She believes the council is driving Sausalito in a dangerous direction by circumventing public participation and encourages them to rethink their approach to public policy.
04:26:45	5.D: Introduction and Waiver of First Reading of Ordinance No. 06-2024 An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Repealing Chapters 2.32 “Redevelopment Agency”; 5.16 “Handbills and Circulars”; 5.20 “Miniature Golf Courses”; 5.24	The item concerns the introduction and waiver of the first reading of Ordinance No. 06-2024, which aims to repeal several outdated or legally questionable chapters of the Sausalito Municipal Code. City Attorney Sergio explained that the ordinance is part of an overall risk management strategy to remove provisions that are no longer used, enforceable, or consistent with current laws and practices. The specific chapters targeted for repeal include those related to the Redevelopment Agency (2.32), handbills and circulars (5.16), miniature golf courses (5.20), secondhand goods (5.24), operation of gasoline service stations (5.28), residential development review (11.08), fortune telling and palmistry (13.12), and street numbering (17.20). He mentioned that the chapter on handbills and circulars (5.16) violates the First Amendment, the chapter on miniature golf courses (5.20) is made redundant by comprehensive zoning, the chapter on secondhand goods (5.24) is outdated, the chapter on residential development review (11.08) is from an abandoned collective planning effort, the chapter on fortune telling and palmistry (13.12) is not legally defensible, and the chapter on street numbering (17.20) is covered by the California Building and Fire Codes.	Councilmember Kelman moved to introduce by title only and make first reading of Ordinance No. 06-2024, repealing Chapters 2.32, 5.16, 5.20, 5.24, 5.28, 11.08, 13.12, and 17.20 of the Sausalito Municipal Code. The motion was seconded and passed (04:30:33).	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
04:31:27 Beth McDougal was Neutral: Beth McDougal spoke about the importance of decorum and respect during candidate forums, urging the council to avoid bringing "pep squads" to these events and to maintain a fair environment for all candidates. She extended her best wishes to all candidates as the election approaches.
04:32:52.61	8B: Future Agenda Items	Mr. St. Clair opened the floor for future agenda items, then closed the discussion and opened the floor for public comment on any of the items discussed.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

04:33:21	9: ADJOURNMENT	Mr. St. Clair closed public comment and adjourned the meeting for the evening. (04:33:24)	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

City Council Meeting Transcript

Adrian Brinton

City Council Oct 15, 2024

Time	Speaker	Text
00:00:00.03	Eva	There's tonight's October 1, 2024 City Council meeting is being held at Council Chambers. It's also being broadcast live on the city's website and cable TV channel 27.
00:00:12.60	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you, Mr. City Clerk, would you kindly call the roll?
00:00:18.64	Eva	Council member Blasdene. Here. Council member Hoffman. Here. Council member Kelman. Here. Vice mayor Cox.
00:00:20.69	Council member Hoffman	here.
00:00:24.45	Council member Kelman	Here.
00:00:26.30	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:00:26.52	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:00:28.03	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:00:28.08	Eva	Here.
00:00:28.09	Council member Kelman	here.
00:00:28.84	Mr. St. Clair	and Mary Sobieski.
00:00:29.77	Eva	Thank you.
00:00:29.78	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:00:29.82	Eva	Thank you.
00:00:29.87	Mr. St. Clair	here uh the items in this special city council meeting to be discussed in closed session are conference with legal counsel existing litigation yes in my backyard versus the city of sausalito the second item is conference with legal counsel anticipated litigation significant exposure pursuant to 54956.91 case this third item is conference with legal counsel initiation of litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.91 case. And the fourth item is conference with legal counsel existing litigation, Schrader versus the city of Sausalito Marin County Superior Court case number CV0002988. Is there any public comment on any of these items?
00:01:15.01	Eva	There are no people in the council chambers and online. We don't have any guests asking for public comment.
00:01:21.23	Mr. St. Clair	We will close public comment on these items, and we will adjourn the closed session and return at 7 p.m. Thank you.
00:01:31.81	Mr. St. Clair	We have just returned from closed session where we heard a number of items listed on the agenda, and I'm just announcing that upon joining closed session, I was informed that items two and three concerning significant exposure to litigation and the initiation of litigation involved matters that had the potential to affect my real property interests, and accordingly I recused myself and did not participate in discussion of those two closed session items. Other than that, there are no reports from closed session. And we are going to move on with the beginning of our open session by starting with the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. If you'd kindly join us.
00:02:08.94	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:02:18.96	Jeff Jacob Chase	Amen.
00:02:22.91	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you very much. The only announcement I will make is that there will be a change on the sewer subcommittee. Vice Mayor Cox will be stepping off and our colleague, Councilmember Jill Hoffman will be joining Councilmember Janelle Kelman on the sewer subcommittee. There are no other special announcements, we'll move on to action.
00:02:44.68	Mr. St. Clair	I don't think we have to because she's using our special allowance unless Sergio tells me we got it wrong.
00:02:50.32	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:02:50.64	Mr. St. Clair	Councilmember Hoffman is participating remotely. Would you like to speak to the matter, Councilmember?
00:02:56.95	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, I think if under the just cause provision, I think our city attorney has the provision for that. I'll be attending the rest of the meeting remotely.
00:03:08.63	Sergio	Yeah, so in terms of attending remotely, you have to state the
00:03:14.11	Sergio	reason for the Just Cause appearance, and also mention whether or not there are any adults over the age of 18 in the room with you.
00:03:21.26	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, the reason for the just cause is that I'm not feeling well. I'm suffering from some medical issues and there are no other people in the room with me.
00:03:31.76	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you very much. We do not need to take a vote, correct, city attorney?
00:03:36.35	Sergio	No, the council just needs to be notified of the appearance for just cause, but does not need to approve it.
00:03:42.21	Mr. St. Clair	Well, thank you very much, Councilmember Hoffman, for having the commitment to be here, even when you're not feeling well, and we all hope you get better soon.
00:03:48.84	Councilmember Hoffman	And I'll just note, let me just say this is the first time I've used this provision, so there's a limit of twice per calendar year. So anyway, just so that's everything. Thank you.
00:03:56.42	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you for your dedication.
00:03:58.68	Council member Kelman	And City Clerk, is it possible to turn up the volume so we can hear Council Member Hoffman more clearly for...
00:04:05.92	Council member Kelman	What?
00:04:06.96	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
00:04:07.20	Angela Garcia	I'm trying to.
00:04:09.97	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:04:10.17	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
00:04:10.39	Council member Kelman	Okay, so maybe Councilmember Hoffman, you can turn up your volume a little bit
00:04:14.17	Mr. St. Clair	If possible. You're very soft to us, so if you can do something with the microphone, we'll let you know. There are no other special announcements. We move on now to action minutes of the previous meeting. Is there a motion to adopt the minutes of the July 30, 2024 meeting?
00:04:30.84	Council member Kelman	So moved. Second.
00:04:33.51	Mr. St. Clair	Motion is moved and seconded to adopt the minutes. All in favor, say aye. Opposed or comment? Aye.
00:04:36.46	Council member Kelman	I'm probably coming.
00:04:36.97	Unknown	you
00:04:37.03	Sergio	Okay.
00:04:37.42	Unknown	Thank you.
00:04:37.54	Sergio	I'll take a roll call vote because children are not
00:04:39.94	Mr. St. Clair	Do we need to take a roll call vote, city attorney?
00:04:43.97	Sergio	Yes, all items need to be approved tonight by roll call vote.
00:04:48.32	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, let's do a roll call vote then, city clerk.
00:04:50.37	Eva	up.
00:04:50.55	Mr. St. Clair	you
00:04:50.57	Eva	you
00:04:50.58	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:04:50.60	Eva	the problem.
00:04:50.67	Mr. St. Clair	a comment?
00:04:52.07	Mr. St. Clair	Public comment, please. Thank you, city clerk, on the action minutes. We have a comment.
00:04:55.11	Eva	We have a.
00:04:56.31	Eva	We have Eva and again, just as a reminder, this is for two minutes only and you have two minutes.
00:05:00.15	Mr. St. Clair	Two minutes. Two minutes.
00:05:08.15	Eva	Thank you.
00:05:08.17	Mr. St. Clair	All right. This is public comment on the minutes of the July 30, 2024. So any comments?
00:05:08.74	Eva	This is public government.
00:05:13.06	Eva	for.
00:05:13.96	Unknown	I'm sorry, I emailed the city attorney that this comment is about item one.
00:05:19.42	Unknown	and that is the combination of announcements and I believe minutes. Am I correct?
00:05:26.66	Mr. St. Clair	No, this is public comment only for the minutes of the July 30, 2024 City Council meeting.
00:05:36.18	Eva	All right, we have Babette McDougall.
00:05:43.00	Eva	Thank you.
00:05:43.01	Mr. St. Clair	Ms. McDougal?
00:05:47.00	Mr. St. Clair	Is she online?
00:05:48.52	Eva	Yes, he's online.
00:05:50.91	Eva	She has her hand up. She needs to unmute herself.
00:05:52.82	Mr. St. Clair	It's too unmeasurable.
00:06:01.90	Eva	All right. I don't think he's figured it out right now.
00:06:12.04	Mr. St. Clair	Okay.
00:06:14.72	Mr. St. Clair	Ms. McDougall, can you unmute yourself?
00:06:22.79	Eva	All right, yeah, she has permission to talk.
00:06:31.45	Eva	Yeah.
00:06:33.34	Eva	I don't, yeah.
00:06:34.77	Eva	What do you want?
00:06:43.61	Mr. St. Clair	Nothing.
00:06:45.82	Mr. St. Clair	All right, Ms. McDougall, if you're having trouble with your public comment, maybe you could send someone an email if you are trying to. And if you're not trying to, then that'd be great. But if you have been trying and you can't, please let the city clerk know and we'll try to resolve that matter. So any other public comment? Seeing none. All right, we'll close public comment. We have a motion on the floor to approve the minutes. Please do the roll call.
00:07:11.12	Unknown	Councilmember Blaustein.
00:07:14.38	Mr. St. Clair	Yes.
00:07:14.83	Unknown	Councilmember Hoffman
00:07:16.60	Unknown	Yes.
00:07:16.87	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:07:17.19	Unknown	Councilmember Cummins.
00:07:18.43	Unknown	Yes. Vice Mayor Cox.
00:07:20.28	Unknown	Yes.
00:07:20.81	Unknown	Thank you.
00:07:20.84	Mr. St. Clair	And Mayor Sobieski. Yes. Thank you very much. We got passed unanimously. And we will now move on to the consent calendar. The consent calendar only has one item, so I'm just going to proceed to read the item. It's adopt a resolution accepting and surrendering the abandoned vessel exchange program grant agreement, 2024 to 26, appropriating the grant funds of $50,000. Is there any public comment on this item?
00:07:45.78	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
00:07:45.80	Unknown	THE CITY IS A
00:07:54.40	Mr. St. Clair	There's one public comment in the audience, Mr. City Clerk.
00:07:57.69	Mr. St. Clair	He just announced himself. If anyone else has public comment, please bring a piece of paper to our city clerk.
00:07:58.66	Unknown	Thank you.
00:07:58.69	Eva	I think just about.
00:07:59.20	Unknown	Thank you.
00:08:04.18	Eva	All right, we have Jeffrey Chase.
00:08:05.22	Jeff Jacob Chase	Thank you.
00:08:08.88	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:08:08.92	Jeff Jacob Chase	Hello, Mayor.
00:08:10.86	Jeff Jacob Chase	Hello workers of Sausalito and for Sausalito called public servants.
00:08:17.25	Jeff Jacob Chase	Hello, packed audience, missing a fairly boring vice presidential debate, so don't worry about it.
00:08:26.33	Jeff Jacob Chase	There was a man named Samuel.
00:08:29.17	Jeff Jacob Chase	a prophet.
00:08:31.58	Jeff Jacob Chase	But Samuel had an issue. His children were not prophets. Because a man is a prophet doesn't mean he's going to make prophets, a man's a carpenter.
00:08:40.67	Jeff Jacob Chase	or a mason, he's not going to make carpenters or masons necessarily. They weren't ethical enough. They didn't communicate with God enough.
00:08:49.25	Jeff Jacob Chase	But the people said, we want to be like the other nations. Give us a king. Samuel said, when you ask for a king, you're asking that your men will be soldiers. They will build castles. They will build places for the king's horses. Your women will be servants. Your women will be carriers of water. Your women will be maids. Do you still want a king? And they said, yes, we do.
00:09:14.00	Jeff Jacob Chase	My name is Jeff Jacob Chase, I'm running for city council. It might have to be a write-in vote, even though this is now being litigated in federal court, because the clerk, Walfred Solorzano,
00:09:25.39	Jeff Jacob Chase	After I informed him
00:09:28.31	Jeff Jacob Chase	that the cost of government in Marin County has doubled since 2010 until now.
00:09:35.13	Jeff Jacob Chase	and that he was a public servant. He said, I don't serve you. He came very close to me.
00:09:41.09	Jeff Jacob Chase	And he threatened to call the police.
00:09:43.89	Jeff Jacob Chase	That was for running for office as an anchor out. We are still here. This agenda item is $50,000 for the Sausalito side. There is one boat on the Sausalito side. It's owned by a city worker.
00:09:57.19	Jeff Jacob Chase	Hippie Brian.
00:09:58.87	Jeff Jacob Chase	There are no boats there. This is $50,000 that is going to the police department for no purpose. It will be taken to court too. That's a guarantee. Thank you very much.
00:10:10.84	Eva	We have online, Ava.
00:10:16.64	Mr. St. Clair	This is a comment only about the save grant agreement.
00:10:26.74	Mr. St. Clair	Any other public comments?
00:10:28.39	Mr. St. Clair	Uh,
00:10:28.91	Eva	I'm trying to get Eva...
00:10:30.31	Mr. St. Clair	Okay.
00:10:32.86	Unknown	I believe you're supposed to take comment on item one.
00:10:37.79	Unknown	and on every subsequent numbered item i had my hand raised for item one and i was removed
00:10:43.44	Unknown	I would.
00:10:45.08	Unknown	from that possibility.
00:10:47.58	Unknown	I'd also like to point out that during the
00:10:52.27	Unknown	comments the the comments from council comments from mayor there was no mention of um what occurred um what your police did last thursday night which was to violently eject someone for exercising their first amendment rights
00:11:07.12	Unknown	from the end, the very end of a candidate
00:11:09.82	Mr. St. Clair	Maybe.
00:11:10.32	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:11:10.34	Unknown	for them.
00:11:10.39	Mr. St. Clair	Forum.
00:11:11.25	Mr. St. Clair	I save that for comments for items not on the agenda. This is only for the item.
00:11:11.27	Unknown	this,
00:11:16.13	Mr. St. Clair	concerning the save grant program. And if you would like to make a comment about the only item associated with item number one, which was my appointment of Council Member Hoffman to the sewer subcommittee replacing Vice Mayor Cox, I would allow you to make that comment about the sewer item if you'd like.
00:11:33.88	Mr. St. Clair	um,
00:11:34.98	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, thank you.
00:11:37.24	Eva	She can speak.
00:11:37.88	Sergio	Mayor Mrakas- Here, I will note also for the record that the city did have the opportunity for public item public comment on item number one at 530 when the special meeting was called.
00:11:37.93	Eva	here.
00:11:48.70	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you very much.
00:11:50.50	Mr. St. Clair	All right. Any other public comment, Mr. City Clerk?
00:11:53.32	Mr. St. Clair	Seeing none. All right, we'll close that item and we will move on. There are no public hearing items, so we'll move on to our first business item, 5A, a study session and presentation regarding draft amendment 2023-2031 housing element, including modifications.
00:12:11.00	Mr. St. Clair	Yeah, thank you for the catch. All right, we actually have to vote. Vice Mayor is on the ball today. I move adoption.
00:12:13.91	Council member Kelman	Vice Mayor.
00:12:16.47	Council member Kelman	I move adoption of the consent calendar. I'll second. Is there a second?
00:12:19.60	Mr. St. Clair	Is there a second? All right. And please, I will call vote.
00:12:22.28	Unknown	Council member Lossing. Yes. Council member Hoffman.
00:12:23.42	Council member Kelman	you
00:12:26.46	Unknown	Yes.
00:12:27.15	Unknown	I don't remember coming.
00:12:28.00	Unknown	Thank you.
00:12:28.01	Unknown	Yes.
00:12:28.59	Unknown	Vice Mayor Cox.
00:12:29.35	Unknown	Thank you.
00:12:29.42	Unknown	Yes.
00:12:29.75	Unknown	Mayor Sobieski.
00:12:30.72	Mr. St. Clair	Yes, all right, that is passed unanimously. Thank you. And now moving on to the first business item, study session and presentation regarding draft amendment 2023 to 31 housing element, including modifications to the housing element programs and proposed opportunity sites. Welcome, Director Phipps.
00:12:49.50	Director Phipps	Thank you, and good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members, staff, members of the public. Happy to be joining you this evening, as always, this evening to introduce Council Item 5A, as stated by Mayor, a study session and presentation regarding the city's draft amended housing element. A little background before we dive in. As I'm sure we all recall, the City Council adopted its current housing element on January 30th of last year, first jurisdiction in Marin County at that time. Based on changes to the city's approach regarding the creation and adoption of more robust objective development and design standards, which we will discuss in more detail later this evening, feedback from the county and or other state agencies such as Caltrans and the State Department of Housing and Community Development,
00:13:31.77	Director Phipps	as well as feedback from council members and the community
00:13:35.43	Director Phipps	particularly related to concerns associated with the potential scale and impacts of development in the historic district
00:13:42.10	Director Phipps	And in waterfront adjacent areas, staff initiated a process to work with DeNovo Planning Group, our housing element consultant, to develop an amended housing element.
00:13:52.19	Director Phipps	In developing this document, it's staff's intent to provide revisions to the site's inventory, as well as other programs that address the concerns raised by the City Council and public while promoting the goals of the housing element to preserve housing and neighborhood assets, support housing diversity, opportunities and assistance, reduce constraints to housing development, rehabilitation, and preservation, and affirmatively further fair and equal housing access and opportunities. The proposed amended housing element contains both an amended site's inventory as well as changes to housing element programs, mainly Program 4 related to ensuring the city's site inventory addresses its RHNA, eight, related to public property conversion to housing. Program 19, related to development review procedures to clarify implementation of streamlining provisions for permitting and these cities obligations to adopt odds. And actually that will do it. We will discuss these amendments in more detail shortly. Hearing from you tonight, your comments, your feedback,
00:14:59.60	Director Phipps	Your ideas related to this amended housing element are very important as finalizing these amendments are necessary in order for the city to implement time sensitive programs of our housing element and to prepare complimentary amendments to our general plan as well as our zoning ordinance. So next steps associated with the sequencing of approval and approval of these items is called out in the staff report. Yes, Mayor.
00:15:24.43	Mr. St. Clair	Yes, we just are cognizant of how many people are staying in the hall and just wondering if someone from staff could set up the overflow in our conference room or bring in some additional chairs for people in this room. Sorry to interrupt you, Director Phipps, but just want to be mindful of people. It may not be. Nope, always, always appreciate that. Mayor, you want me to open the back? If you could open the conference room, that would be great.
00:15:39.31	Director Phipps	Nope, always appreciate it.
00:15:45.17	Director Phipps	So I believe I was just touching on next steps. Next steps associated with the sequencing and approval of these items is called out in the staff report. But immediate next steps will include a study session on these items before the Planning Commission on October 23rd, a Planning Commission public hearing on these items on November 13th,
00:16:08.98	Director Phipps	and a City Council public hearing currently scheduled for December 3rd. We look forward to seeing you all there. With that introduction, I'll turn the mic over to Beth Thompson of DeNovo Planning Group, who will provide a more detailed presentation on the draft amended housing element. Ms. Thompson, the floor is yours. Thank you very much. And Council, I'm available to answer any questions before or following Beth's presentation. Thank you.
00:16:38.14	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:16:38.17	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
00:16:38.22	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
00:16:38.24	Council member Kelman	That's a good question.
00:16:39.81	Council member Kelman	Um,
00:16:41.39	Council member Kelman	Good evening, Mayor, members of the Council.
00:16:41.56	Beth Thompson	Good evening, Mayor, members of the council.
00:16:43.57	Council member Kelman	One moment, one moment.
00:16:43.65	Mr. St. Clair	One moment, please, Beth. The vice mayor has a question for the director. Okay.
00:16:45.95	Council member Kelman	I'm not sure.
00:16:48.23	Council member Kelman	Brandon, I just want to be clear that tonight is a study session. So we will be giving direction to staff, after which this will go to the Planning Commission and then come back to us, hopefully, in the beginning of December. But we're not making decisions tonight. We're giving direction based on a study session. Is that right? Absolutely.
00:17:04.41	Director Phipps	absolutely vice mayor
00:17:05.54	Council member Kelman	Thank you so much.
00:17:11.30	Mr. St. Clair	Go right ahead, Miss Thompson.
00:17:13.25	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
00:17:13.81	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:17:14.32	Beth Thompson	It's a pleasure to be before you tonight with the housing element, the amended housing element, and I won't go through all of the introductory slides. Director Phipps covered most of these points. I'm just going to pick up here on slide six, which is where we go through the changes to the housing element programs, programs four, eight and 19.
00:17:31.83	Beth Thompson	that are revised in the amended housing element. And what I'm going to do is just go through some of the sites that were changed through program four.
00:17:40.07	Beth Thompson	Through program four, several sites were removed, several sites were added, and then the unit counts were modified on a number of sites as well as the proposed
00:17:50.09	Beth Thompson	opportunity site overlay.
00:17:52.56	Beth Thompson	So sites 85 and 209 have been removed
00:17:57.57	Beth Thompson	So those are both no longer part of the proposed sites to be included in this amended housing element. Site 85 was the Bridgeway-Caltrans right-of-way, and then Site 209 is 931-933 Bridgeway. So basically, a lot of the sites were affected as part of the changes through Program 4, a reduction in density. So a new overlay or new series of overlays is proposed for the areas along bridgeway along the waterfront that are south of harbor drive so these would go down to a 29 unit per acre overlay so either the housing 29 or a mixed use 29
00:18:12.21	Unknown	this
00:18:35.38	Beth Thompson	unit per acre overlay. And so when this was applied, the site 209 went to zero units. So that one was just removed because it would no longer accommodate an additional unit with that reduction in density.
00:18:47.89	Beth Thompson	Sites 401 and 402 were added, and I have detailed slides on each of these sites later in the presentation. These are both new sites. They're both on Bridgeway north of Carver Drive.
00:18:58.16	Beth Thompson	And those would be assigned the MU 2985 for the 2400 Bridgeway site, which is the
00:19:05.18	Beth Thompson	a FedEx building and that would accommodate about 16 units in realistic capacity and when I'm talking about the units here as part of this presentation I'm talking about the realistic capacity or the number of units that the city would get credit for and the housing element and that's a little bit less than the maximum number of units that would actually be developed at maximum density.
00:19:26.03	Beth Thompson	Site 402 is 2680 Bridgeway, that's a storage site, and that would also be designated housing 49 and accommodate about 43 units.
00:19:35.12	Melissa Blaustein	you
00:19:35.14	Beth Thompson	Beth, could you sit down a little bit?
00:19:35.81	Melissa Blaustein	Could you sit down a little bit?
00:19:38.12	Melissa Blaustein	Sorry, could you slow down just a little bit, just a tiny bit, and then it's a little bit hard to follow the pace.
00:19:38.18	Angela Garcia	you
00:19:38.21	Beth Thompson	Sorry.
00:19:45.26	Beth Thompson	Okay. And so, and I'll go through these sites in more detail. So.
00:19:49.53	Beth Thompson	A number of sites are modified, as I had mentioned, through
00:19:53.46	Beth Thompson	applying the housing 29 or mixed use 2985. And I'll just go through these and a few slides. That way it's easier to see each of those changes.
00:20:03.57	Beth Thompson	And then in addition to the sites, so I've listed the sites here, several sites, 79 and 81, there was no change to the overlay, but we did recalculate the units based on the minimum densities. So they each got a slight bump upward in the number of units you can take credit for. And then I'll also note that at site 301, which we'll discuss in a few slides, we had identified that as housing 29, and that should actually be mixed use, the 29, 85%. It currently has commercial uses on it, so to continue to encourage those commercial uses
00:20:37.02	Beth Thompson	It was intended to be mixed use and not housing 29.
00:20:41.41	Beth Thompson	All of these changes collectively
00:20:44.06	Beth Thompson	would still accommodate the city's regional housing need allocation. So there would be a total capacity with all of these changes for a total of 958 units that gives you a small surplus for your very low and extremely low income units of 39.
00:20:58.69	Beth Thompson	a surplus of 44 units for the lower income
00:21:02.21	Beth Thompson	category, a surplus of 84 and the moderate income category, and then a surplus of 67 and the above moderate income category. So a little bit of a buffer.
00:21:12.12	Beth Thompson	That provides just some flexibility as decisions are made and as projects come through.
00:21:22.50	Beth Thompson	So as part of program four, there are a number of implementation steps the city would take. So you would adopt your amended housing element, and then you'll go through a process to rezone the opportunity sites to the different designations to housing 29, housing 49, housing 70, mixed use 29, 85, mixed use 49, 85, and mixed use 70, 85. So that won't happen as part of the adoption of the housing element. That a subsequent action the city will take and then there will also be a local ballot measure or majors for the votes for ordinance 1022 and ordinance 1128 which address the fair traffic initiative and then use of a city city-owned park site for use other than parks and recreation
00:22:05.58	Beth Thompson	Under program eight, the city would make the city owned sites available for development during the planning period. So that will also be a separate step or series of steps because there are a number of sites that the city would take to make those available.
00:22:18.44	Beth Thompson	And then program 16 has a number of changes to the zoning ordinance. So following adoption of the housing element, the city would be considering site rezoning as we had mentioned. And then also changes to the residential and commercial zoning districts too.
00:22:32.29	Beth Thompson	address design, streamline ministerial review, historic preservation, and historic design guidelines. And that removes governmental constraints and then also increasing the housing types that are available in the city.
00:22:47.35	Beth Thompson	Program 19 would also be implemented.
00:22:50.10	Beth Thompson	That addresses some streamlining requirements under state law to accommodate developments with two or more units under SB 35, as well as, um, adopting objective design standards, which will implement SB 35 and SB 330.
00:23:05.42	Beth Thompson	And that's your next item on the agenda. So discuss the objective design and development standards. And then also revising some zoning code findings to make sure that you have objective findings.
00:23:17.69	Beth Thompson	So if people have input on the project, the city is currently has the draft EIR for this project out for public review. And so if the community would like to comment on the adequacy of the EIR or on the project, they can comment and they can comment through October 21st, 2024 at 5 PM. So they can submit their comments via email, they can mail them in and those comments should be submitted to director FIPS and his information is shown here.
00:23:45.87	Beth Thompson	As was mentioned, there's a number of next steps in this process. On October 21st, the draft EIR, Environmental Impact Report comment period closes.
00:23:55.50	Beth Thompson	October 23rd, the Planning Commission will have a study session to consider this amendment to the housing element, provide input on how the project is taking shape.
00:24:04.35	Beth Thompson	On November, around November 7th or 8th, we anticipate that the final environmental impact report will be published. And that will include all of the public comments that are received on the EIR and a response to each of those comments. So if people are interested in commenting on the project and the EIR, we'll review all of those comments and adjust them in the EIR.
00:24:23.06	Beth Thompson	November 13th, the Planning Commission will hold a public hearing to consider
00:24:27.77	Beth Thompson	the certification of the EIR and then adoption of the changes, the amendment to the housing element on December 3rd, it's anticipated the city council will hold a hearing to consider the item as well. And then following that city council hearing, the amended housing element will be submitted to the state department of housing and community development
00:24:46.21	Beth Thompson	or HCD and then they'll have a 60-day review period to review and certify the housing element and during that period they may have some comments they may make some findings and so we anticipate that we will continue to work with HCD during that public review period.
00:25:03.39	Beth Thompson	And of course the city's website has a lot of information regarding the amended housing element. So the current documents background information, past meeting information, that all of that information is available on the city's website.
00:25:17.62	Beth Thompson	So I'll go through the individual sites and describe the changes to those sites.
00:25:22.06	Beth Thompson	Have questions regarding those sites, and this is an opportunity.
00:25:26.05	Beth Thompson	there's an desire to further refine the sites we can we can talk about that we are in the process of course of comparing the eir so we can look at if there's some
00:25:36.06	Councilmember Kelman	I'm sorry about the coming positive may recommend um so this is the first attachment and that Thank you for those of us familiar, it was a great cadence but perhaps for people newer maybe a few things require clarification, do you mind if I.
00:25:52.80	Mr. St. Clair	Please go right now.
00:25:53.09	Councilmember Kelman	Not at all. Okay.
00:25:54.72	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
00:25:54.74	Mr. St. Clair	Councilmember Kelman has been on the working group for this matter, and so has been living and breathing in. A very long time. So help guide us, please. Yes.
00:25:54.83	Councilmember Kelman	Okay.
00:25:57.64	Councilmember Kelman	It was, there was a lot of
00:25:58.98	Councilmember Kelman	a very long time so
00:26:01.02	Councilmember Kelman	Yes. Okay. So thank you, everybody. Of course, this is attached and there are copies of the attachments for the agenda. So on page 11 of the slide deck, Beth, you indicate and run through very quickly some really interesting
00:26:15.90	Councilmember Kelman	important items here. So first of all, program four.
00:26:20.54	Councilmember Kelman	So we talked about this years ago about these RHNA numbers. We tried to push back, and maybe it's a question for Director Phipps, we did try to push back on the numbers because we went to HCD and said, hey, this is two square miles, South State was only one square miles, you included the GGNRA area, these numbers aren't fair.
00:26:40.93	Councilmember Kelman	My understanding was that HCD did not entertain...
00:26:44.89	Councilmember Kelman	that appeal and did not give us the opportunity to comment on that. Can you just articulate that? I know some folks have questions.
00:26:51.31	Director Phipps	Yes, that's thank you for the question, Councilmember, and that's my understanding as well. And I will just make the statement also that even in consideration of Sausalito's total land area, we ought to be evaluating the land area above water.
00:27:05.23	Director Phipps	So Sol Solator becomes even smaller.
00:27:07.10	Director Phipps	when you include only above water area.
00:27:10.12	Director Phipps	I just want to make that point, and I do not believe the state has budged on that.
00:27:13.18	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, thank you. And when I said HCD, I meant the California Department of Housing administration.
00:27:17.11	Councilmember Kelman	and community development. Okay, so then on this slide, you have several shortcuts. Can you slowly run through what each of these means? What does it mean to have a housing 29, a mixed use 29, 85%? If you wouldn't mind, I think that'd be very helpful.
00:27:35.03	Beth Thompson	Absolutely. So each of these is an overlay designation that would change the allowed uses on a site. So they would allow each of these designations would allow residential development. Housing 29 would allow up to 29 units per acre. And in some cases, this is applied on sites that already allow 29 units per acre. If those sites will accommodate lower income housing, those will also be resumed to have a minimum density of 20 units per acre. For the housing 49 and housing 70, those would allow 49 units per acre at the 49 and a minimum of 43 units per acre. The housing 70 would allow
00:28:15.77	Beth Thompson	50 to 70 units per acre.
00:28:18.63	Beth Thompson	And when I say allow, I should actually say require. So these sites would be, if they're developed in the future, they would be required to include a residential component that meets the minimum density. Similarly, the mixed-use designation would allow up to 29 units per acre. And it also provides for a portion of that site to be developed with non-residential uses. The mixed-use 49 would allow up to 49 units per acre and also provide for a non-residential component. And the mixed-use 70 would allow up to 70 units per acre and also provide for a non-residential component.
00:28:54.43	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, and then Beth, on slide 10, you had arena site strategy, and you had at the top of that sheet...
00:29:02.11	Councilmember Kelman	the Reno requirements, and these are from the state, right? This is what the state is requiring in terms of numbers of low, moderate, above moderate, correct?
00:29:09.48	Councilmember Kelman	Perhaps. Okay. Indeed. Go ahead. Go ahead.
00:29:10.68	Unknown	And these,
00:29:10.96	Angela Garcia	ANGELA GARCIA.
00:29:11.08	Unknown	Thank you.
00:29:11.10	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
00:29:12.25	Angela Garcia	Right.
00:29:13.44	Councilmember Kelman	I didn't see anywhere in this beginning slide deck anything about density bonus laws or other state mandated requirements, i.e. things the state
00:29:23.70	Councilmember Kelman	is making us do, but the city of Saucyote has no control over.
00:29:29.22	Beth Thompson	Correct. So you don't get credit for density bonus under the site strategy. So for cities that have had a lot of density bonus development and they can demonstrate strong trends of density bonus projects and applications that have been successfully been constructed, those communities may be able to get a higher amount of units credited under their existing capacity or their realistic capacity. so they would be able to count slightly higher. In Sausalito, there have not been a density bonus. under their existing capacity or their realistic capacity. So they would be able to count slightly higher. In Sausalito, there have not been density bonus projects in recent years. So yes, you don't see density bonus. So that provides for even more development than what is shown here.
00:30:06.87	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, and then back to the slide 11, program eight. Can you, this is my last question, I'll let you continue.
00:30:13.62	Councilmember Kelman	On the next slide, that's right. Can you explain why it's so important that we have city owned property in the mix and the relationship of city owned property to affordable housing in our community?
00:30:24.88	Beth Thompson	Absolutely. So city-owned sites are fantastic from the perspective that you as a city have control over these sites. So you can decide to make those sites available. You can also decide the maximum number of units you want to allow on those sites. So in some cases, the density bonus may accommodate a much higher number of units, but as the city, you're going to be in control of that. So you can determine how many units you want to have. And this also helps assure that you will have some affordable housing that's constructed. So a lot of the sites we were... going to be in control of that. So you can determine how many units you want to have. And this also helps assure that you will have some affordable housing that's constructed. So a lot of the sites, when we're looking back at the
00:30:56.50	Beth Thompson	the realistic capacity, the inventory, a lot of these sites are privately owned.
00:31:01.92	Beth Thompson	Not all of the owners of these sites are necessarily going to want to develop their sites during the sixth cycle. So it's very rare for jurisdictions to see development of their full arena. Now, with all of the changes in state law that are really promoting and expediting housing development, we may see much higher arena numbers and much higher construction numbers during the sixth cycle.
00:31:23.65	Beth Thompson	But in past years, you don't really see that full amount being built. So having city-owned sites helps assure that you will have new affordable and workforce housing available in the city. It helps make sure that you can control the design of it, how that's laid out on the site, how it works with the community. So those are fantastic sites from that perspective. Thank you.
00:31:42.65	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, so I think I just heard you say the city has more control over any housing designed for a city-owned property.
00:31:50.38	Beth Thompson	I'm going to go.
00:31:50.42	Beth Thompson	Absolutely.
00:31:51.07	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
00:31:51.21	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, thank you so much. Thank you for letting me interrupt, Mayor.
00:31:56.07	Council member Kelman	I just had a follow up on city owned property. So one of the city sites is listed for 80 units.
00:32:04.61	Council member Kelman	Is this city required to build 80 units?
00:32:09.23	Beth Thompson	So,
00:32:10.26	Beth Thompson	The city is required to make that available during the planning period. And two, I'm going to just scroll down to the, some of those city owned sites, because I have a feeling we're talking about.
00:32:20.56	Beth Thompson	MLK, which was adopted to accommodate 80 units.
00:32:26.63	Beth Thompson	You have your arena, you're going to be working with the state, and you're going to want to be making that site available. You may have capacity at other sites where it makes sense to say, hey, you know what? We don't need the full AV units on this site or the full 94 units that would happen under the amended housing element. You may want to do something slightly less. And if you can show that you have capacity elsewhere and that this decision won't
00:32:50.26	Beth Thompson	damage the ability of the city to accommodate the arena, it won't improve your ability to accommodate the arena. You could develop a lesser amount. You could also do a phase development. You could have where you want to do, you know, a series of projects on a site. And so you can start rolling that out during the seventh cycle or the sixth cycle planning for that full amount, but then not necessarily, you know, phasing it as you have funding and as you, as it goes. So there's, there's a lot of different ways that you can approach the city on sites that if you were to,
00:33:20.58	Beth Thompson	So it's far less than what's planned and we don't have capacity elsewhere, then that would be problematic.
00:33:28.11	Council member Kelman	But we have a buffer in our housing element with lots of capacity elsewhere, correct? You currently do. Yeah.
00:33:32.14	Beth Thompson	You currently do. And so, yes, you currently do.
00:33:35.53	Council member Kelman	And so as it now stands, the city is not required to build 80 units on that site just by way of example.
00:33:43.58	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:33:43.60	Beth Thompson	And if you don't, I would want to make sure that you're communicating that with HCD and you're clearly letting them know why you're not doing that because HCD will ask, why is the site not being implemented? So you may have reasons, there may be community resources that you're protecting. You may have other projects that you're working on, but yes, there's the capacity to do less.
00:34:02.77	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:34:05.74	Mr. St. Clair	Please proceed.
00:34:06.90	Beth Thompson	Okay, so I'll just scroll back up and go through the changes to the individual sites. And some of these changes are relatively minor. So for example, we have sites 23 and 24, they're across the street from one another on
00:34:18.88	Beth Thompson	Mead Lane and on Excelsior Lane. And both of these were changed from a housing 49 designation to a housing 29 designation, meaning now that the maximum capacity would be up to 29 units per acre, not 49. And so with these changes, site 23 will be reduced to two units rather than three units under the amended housing element. And then site 24 would also be reduced from three units to two units.
00:34:45.19	Beth Thompson	And these are both just vacant.
00:34:46.91	Beth Thompson	make it sites.
00:34:48.18	Beth Thompson	Site 39 is an amalgamation of a few different sites here. It's got a
00:34:53.24	Beth Thompson	three different components. And so this site was planned to also be developed at up to 49 units per acre with 24 units, and it's being reduced to up to 29 units per acre.
00:35:06.94	Beth Thompson	So that would reduce the capacity to 13 units.
00:35:11.08	Beth Thompson	So we're going to just see that through a lot of the sites, is that there's a reduction. A lot of the sites aren't being removed, but the capacity is being reduced just to be
00:35:21.03	Beth Thompson	more sensitive to this area along Bridgeway and then also areas in the city's historic district as well.
00:35:28.14	Beth Thompson	Site 44 is also revised, the sites at Caledonia and Bridgeway.
00:35:33.98	Beth Thompson	with the reduction
00:35:35.61	Beth Thompson	a portion of the site wouldn't be developed. So some of the addresses have been removed and a few of the APNs are actually removed from the inventory because when we shift from the 49 unit per acre mixed use overlay to the 29, some of those sites would no longer accommodate a unit. So the adopted units.
00:35:52.84	Beth Thompson	would go from five to one with the amendment to the housing element.
00:35:59.15	Beth Thompson	Site 47, which is near Dunphy Park. So this is site 47 right here. This was also, it's currently designated commercial waterfront in the general plan.
00:36:08.50	Mr. St. Clair	I always name the cross streets. I think I'm sorry.
00:36:11.12	Beth Thompson	I'm sorry, this is it.
00:36:13.01	Mr. St. Clair	Just think across streets that are nearest out loud.
00:36:15.30	Beth Thompson	But...
00:36:16.37	Beth Thompson	The Bridgeway and Locust Street.
00:36:18.98	Beth Thompson	This is a 300 locust, and it would be reduced from the mixed-use 49%
00:36:24.57	Beth Thompson	to mixed use 29 category and the adopted units would go from 13
00:36:29.60	Beth Thompson	to now to 11 proposed in the amendments to the housing element.
00:36:37.04	Beth Thompson	site 55, which is along Napa Street,
00:36:40.36	Beth Thompson	There's also another reduction where this was actually
00:36:45.17	Beth Thompson	going from housing 70 to housing 49. So it would go from
00:36:49.68	Beth Thompson	four units and it actually would change the five just because of an errant calculation I think in the original
00:36:55.80	Beth Thompson	the original element. And let me just quickly double check
00:36:59.60	Beth Thompson	that.
00:37:01.32	Beth Thompson	Sorry to scroll back here and
00:37:03.53	Beth Thompson	Um,
00:37:06.15	Beth Thompson	Yes, so that's just a correction and a map on this site.
00:37:06.69	Mr. St. Clair	Yeah.
00:37:07.01	Mr. St. Clair	the
00:37:09.96	Mr. St. Clair	The vice mayor has a question for you.
00:37:11.41	Council member Kelman	And Beth, so I have what's in what was online for your presentation and it ends with a slide called slides discussion.
00:37:21.52	Council member Kelman	So are these slides.
00:37:23.24	Council member Kelman	These are the slides, yes.
00:37:23.34	Beth Thompson	These are the slides, yes. So these are the slides for discussion.
00:37:26.82	Council member Kelman	Have these been provided to staff?
00:37:29.55	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:37:29.60	Beth Thompson	Yeah.
00:37:29.69	Council member Kelman	Yes.
00:37:29.86	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
00:37:29.91	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:37:30.80	Council member Kelman	Okay, Brandon, can you forward these slides to the city council? Because we do not have them.
00:37:36.86	Council member Kelman	Okay.
00:37:37.35	Council member Kelman	Because this is so helpful for me to see this page by page. But the presentation that we have ends with a slide that's called Sites Discussion. It doesn't have any of these specific sites.
00:37:37.67	Council member Hoffman	And I,
00:37:48.57	Councilmember Kelman	Is there a way to get that onto the agenda for attachment during the course of this meeting?
00:37:56.22	Councilmember Kelman	I just...
00:37:56.23	Mr. St. Clair	I think it would be helpful for the public to have access. The city clerk can ask him to do that.
00:37:56.33	Beth McDougal	Then let me.
00:37:57.06	Beth McDougal	Thank you.
00:37:57.23	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
00:37:57.26	Beth McDougal	We're playing.
00:37:57.43	Councilmember Kelman	or, you know,
00:37:57.48	Beth McDougal	for the public to have access to that.
00:38:00.26	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:38:00.30	Beth Thompson	THE FAMILY.
00:38:00.47	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
00:38:00.49	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
00:38:00.50	Councilmember Kelman	in the community.
00:38:00.60	Beth Thompson	Okay.
00:38:01.70	Mr. St. Clair	I'll text the city clerk right now.
00:38:03.88	Mr. St. Clair	Please go ahead.
00:38:04.42	Beth Thompson	And let me know if I just need to forward this to the city clerk. I'm happy to do that.
00:38:04.94	Unknown	Okay.
00:38:06.04	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
00:38:08.77	Mr. St. Clair	to do that. Send that to the city clerk so that he's able to upload it if I text him now.
00:38:13.97	Beth Thompson	Yes, I'll do that right now.
00:38:14.27	Mr. St. Clair	I'll do that right now.
00:38:16.18	Mr. St. Clair	Great. Thank you.
00:38:22.42	Mr. St. Clair	Go ahead, Ms. Thompson.
00:38:28.03	Beth Thompson	All right, sorry, let me brief.
00:38:30.98	Beth Thompson	Yes.
00:38:31.62	Beth Thompson	Okay, so
00:38:32.09	Mr. St. Clair	Okay.
00:38:34.20	Beth Thompson	So site 84 is the Martin Luther King Park site. This is located at Coloma Street and Ulema Street. The address is 100 upside.
00:38:44.53	Beth Thompson	And so this is a pretty large parcel. So it's not looking at developing the entire park site or all of the existing uses on the site. With residential uses, it's looking at developing approximately two acres. And so the
00:38:59.11	Beth Thompson	The original housing element, the adopted housing element anticipated 80 units on this site, and as part of the shifting of units for the amended housing element, the designation would stay the same at a maximum of 49 units per acre, but the total unit count would be increased to 94 units on this site.
00:39:18.63	Beth Thompson	Site 85 is the Caltrans right of way along Bridgeway and the site is removed. So it would no longer be counted toward your units and the housing element.
00:39:29.62	Beth Thompson	Site 201 is located at 605 and 613 Bridgeway. It's along Bridgeway near Princess Street.
00:39:37.40	Beth Thompson	And this site was designated MU 49.85% in the adoptive housing element with 20 capacity for 20 units and it's reduced to the mixed use 29.85% with a now reduced capacity for 11 units.
00:39:55.24	Beth Thompson	And this is one of the sites in the historic district.
00:39:59.01	Beth Thompson	Sites to seven is located along Bridgeway and the intersection of Bridgeway San Carlos Avenue and Caledonia Street.
00:40:08.45	Beth Thompson	And this is another site that is reduced from housing
00:40:12.57	Beth Thompson	The adopted overlay is not housing 29. I apologize. This should be housing 49. So it's reduced from housing 49 to housing 29.
00:40:20.58	Beth Thompson	And it had...
00:40:21.73	Beth Thompson	three parcels or one of those parcels would now come off
00:40:25.58	Beth Thompson	And so the site would be reduced a bit and it would go from eight units to a capacity for two units with the changes proposed in the amended housing element.
00:40:36.59	Beth Thompson	Site 209, also located at Bridgeway and the intersection of San Carlos and Caledonia.
00:40:43.77	Beth Thompson	will be removed. So the site was designated for 49 units per acre. And with the reduction to 29, the housing 29, it would actually have no capacity. So it would just come off the realistic capacity would be gone.
00:40:57.55	Beth Thompson	site 301 located along Humboldt Avenue and Bridgeway at Lothar Street.
00:41:03.93	Beth Thompson	And this is just the water-based portions of Site 301. So Site 301 also, I mean, just the land-based portions. I apologize. Just the land-based portions. There are water-based portions that could accommodate housing, but that is a future action and not part of any rezoning that would occur.
00:41:21.62	Beth Thompson	as part of their subsequent to the housing all that adoption necessarily there would be some future planning for that so looking at just the land based portion of the site.
00:41:30.49	Beth Thompson	It would be also revised from the mixed use 49 to mixed use 29
00:41:36.60	Beth Thompson	And it would go from 29 units under the adopted housing element to about 22 units.
00:41:42.29	Beth Thompson	under the proposed amendments to the housing elements.
00:41:47.22	Beth Thompson	Site 303, which is the one and three Harbor Drive. So this is located along Bridgeway at Harbor Drive, just north of Harbor Drive.
00:41:56.21	Beth Thompson	And this site is included in the original housing element. There is no change to the proposed overlay, but the area for the proposed overlay would increase.
00:42:06.17	Beth Thompson	two or so, two to two and a half units previously, and just increasing that portion of the site that would be designated to accommodate additional housing up to three acres would increase the units accommodated on the site from 90 to 125 units.
00:42:24.53	Beth Thompson	site 401, which is located at Harbor Drive and Bridgeway, which is the FedEx site that I mentioned,
00:42:31.30	Beth Thompson	This site is currently not included in your housing element, so this is an addition, a new site in the housing element, and this would also be given the mixed use 29 units per acre overlay, and it would accommodate 16 units under the proposed revisions to the amended housing element.
00:42:49.93	Beth Thompson	Site 402 is located at Bridgedway and Coloma Street.
00:42:54.63	Beth Thompson	And this site, it's north of Coloma,
00:42:57.86	Beth Thompson	This site's an existing storage facility, and this site is also a site that was not included in the adoptive housing element. So this would be designated housing 49 and approximately one acre of the parcel would be designated to accommodate new residential development. So kind of anticipating some conversion of the undeveloped area of the site to accommodate residential uses and that would accommodate about 43 units.
00:43:22.38	Beth Thompson	And so with that, yeah, those are the changes identified to the sites and the amendments to the housing elements. So I'm happy to talk about any of those further, but I'll turn it back over to the council for discussion.
00:43:37.53	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you, Director Phipps. Do you have anything else?
00:43:42.36	Mr. St. Clair	All right, other questions please from the guys?
00:43:46.88	Melissa Blaustein	What?
00:43:48.06	Mr. St. Clair	Vice Mayor, Council Member Hoffman.
00:43:48.43	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
00:43:48.46	Melissa Blaustein	Oh, I have questions.
00:43:49.24	Angela Garcia	Awesome.
00:43:51.06	Melissa Blaustein	Sorry, unless Councilman Hoffman had her hand raised, I don't want to jump back. Nope, don't.
00:43:53.39	Angela Garcia	Go ahead.
00:43:54.35	Melissa Blaustein	Yeah, sorry, I'm just trying to reconcile
00:43:57.76	Melissa Blaustein	um
00:43:59.23	Melissa Blaustein	some of the changes that are being made because
00:44:02.01	Melissa Blaustein	in looking at the numbers and also in looking at some of the letters and correspondence that we've received, it seems like we're increasing density
00:44:10.10	Melissa Blaustein	to another site on the north side of town and then decreasing density at some of the south side sites. So can you speak to why that decision was made since I wasn't part of the working group
00:44:19.90	Melissa Blaustein	and want to get a better understanding of that.
00:44:22.89	Beth Thompson	Sure, so there wasn't
00:44:25.18	Beth Thompson	And overall,
00:44:27.16	Beth Thompson	approach to reduce density in the historic district and to reduce density
00:44:32.96	Beth Thompson	generally kind of along the waterfront to provide for
00:44:37.77	Beth Thompson	continued views and more preservation of your historic areas. And so those sites were reduced to 29 units per acre. And so there was an increase to the sites 303, then adding 401 and 402, and then increasing the Martin Luther King site. And I will also note that the Caltrans right-of-way was also removed from that north area. So that was a reduction from the northern area. But there's definitely some movement in that direction. And that's basically the MLK site was chosen to be increased because the city has control over that site. The 303 site, site 303, which is the one at Harbor Plaza,
00:45:15.64	Beth Thompson	was,
00:45:17.95	Beth Thompson	was identified to be increased because the property owner is interested in accommodating additional units there. And then the other two sites, the site 401, the property owner is also interested in accommodating development and site 402 was added just because it has some capacity. And this would actually, so all of these changes would give you a really small increase in lower income development, but a larger increase in your above moderate. So there's definitely some flexibility with these changes and how
00:45:47.62	Beth Thompson	how we go about
00:45:49.31	Beth Thompson	kind of juggling the sights a bit.
00:45:51.18	Melissa Blaustein	So I'm trying to understand again just where we, because the lines of the historic district as identified by the state because it's really important to be aware that we are one of 12 historic districts in the state and that should be respected, but.
00:46:02.38	Melissa Blaustein	300 locust
00:46:04.24	Melissa Blaustein	isn't within those bounds, is it?
00:46:06.69	Beth Thompson	It is not. So that's one of the kind of we did the Stark District and some sites along Bridgeway and along the waterfront were also reduced to 29 units per acre.
00:46:15.53	Melissa Blaustein	Okay.
00:46:16.49	Melissa Blaustein	just.
00:46:17.66	Melissa Blaustein	But because we were trying to preserve views or because
00:46:20.39	Beth Thompson	because,
00:46:20.83	Beth Thompson	Preserve views and some just general reductions of mainly view preservation and
00:46:26.62	Beth Thompson	keeping your building heights a little lower along the waterfront.
00:46:29.62	Melissa Blaustein	Okay, and my understanding is we're going to hear from the odds working group tonight about a way to preserve views with regards to the impending development, correct? Correct. Okay, so we have the ability to return to the initial allotments for some of those sites if we wanted to decrease some of the density on the north side so that we could potentially more evenly align some of the burden of where the housing goes.
00:46:54.98	Beth Thompson	You absolutely could. You'll probably want to hear the whole odds presentation because once you increase the density,
00:47:01.45	Beth Thompson	If.
00:47:02.63	Beth Thompson	somebody wants to develop at maximum density and they cannot maintain the views, they would still have the ability to develop. So we'll discuss that. I don't want to, I'm not part of the odds discussion, so, but I,
00:47:17.14	Beth Thompson	You'll want to weigh that in when you're looking at the final allocation of the sites, but tonight we can take some Some discussion of recommendations and changes that perhaps you may want to consider and my team will go back and we'll analyze those changes. We're hoping to keep sites within the range of what's already addressed In the EIR so that we don't have to recirculate, but we would like
00:47:41.34	Beth Thompson	So if we get some discussion, we can provide you more information about those sites.
00:47:45.84	Melissa Blaustein	Great. And I fully understand that. I just know we've gotten a lot of feedback from folks on the north side of town about consideration for the numbers of sites there. So could you provide us in the study session, perhaps just if you can now, that'd be great, but just like a percentage of the number of units across so that we have an understanding of what that looks like, because I think it should be our part of our work to try and make it as much across the neighborhoods as we can.
00:48:10.58	Beth Thompson	I don't have that total in front of me right now, but I could probably
00:48:10.67	Melissa Blaustein	I don't have that.
00:48:14.40	Beth Thompson	Look at that. And are you talking about just the changes? I can come up with the changes to the North area pretty quickly, but not necessarily the total numbers.
00:48:21.76	Council member Kelman	Yeah, I think she's asking how the 724 units is allocated throughout Sausalito.
00:48:27.51	Council member Kelman	Right.
00:48:27.59	Beth Thompson	Okay. Yeah, I can look at that.
00:48:32.22	Beth Thompson	You just have to give me a few minutes.
00:48:32.79	Melissa Blaustein	me a few minutes. It's a study session so we don't have to decide now but I'm just trying to put everything forward based on the public comment that we've received and trying to understand what what makes sense. So I appreciate I appreciate that and it would be helpful to to look at it and then I just wanted to bring up as well there were some sites previously that we had discussed like that our city owns so for example City Hall or the Spencer Fire Station so what is the the implications of having a discussion around those potential sites, whether or not they would be added, what the timeline would be if they were or weren't. Just again, we're looking at a whole holistic picture of our all of our housing sites.
00:49:09.98	Beth Thompson	So,
00:49:11.13	Beth Thompson	adding sites that are not included in the environmental impact report, such as the Spencer site, such as City Hall, could be problematic. We could end up, we would have to analyze, so those weren't included in that initial B&T analysis for the draft, the IR, so we would have to do more analysis of what
00:49:27.85	Beth Thompson	the changes those sites would result in, and they could result in the need to recirculate your EIR. So it would mean that we would require additional budget to go back and revise the EIR and analyze those sites, and then the cost of recirculating the EIR, and that would add time to the process so that you would not, if you're wanting to have a ballot measure,
00:49:49.93	Beth Thompson	next year, early next year in March, that this would probably delay that. And I'll let the city attorney speak to that as well if he would like to chime in.
00:50:00.20	Melissa Blaustein	Third year.
00:50:04.51	Sergio	Yeah, so on that point,
00:50:07.85	Sergio	You know, the city has indicated that it intends to adopt its odds,
00:50:13.79	Sergio	at least in the current housing element, stated that the city intends to adopt its odds by
00:50:20.30	Sergio	May of 2025. That means that the latest regular election date that you could put that on the ballot for would be the March 2025 election.
00:50:32.77	Sergio	The deadline to put something on the ballot for that election happens to be the end of the first week in December. So that is driving the calendar there.
00:50:41.51	Sergio	Um,
00:50:43.45	Sergio	Yeah.
00:50:45.34	Sergio	I think really that is the sum of it.
00:50:47.00	Melissa Blaustein	Sure.
00:50:47.37	Melissa Blaustein	And I just want to say again, this is a study session because it's going to be difficult to make decisions without knowing what odds we adopt and what types of protections we have. But I do want to understand as well, it's Sergio or maybe Brandon should weigh in on this, just the outcome, because as I'm asking about the properties along bridgeway and the increase and decrease in density, what is the, the, the implications of that with regards to density bonus? And what are the implications with regards to protecting views? Should we increase the density? And what does that mean?
00:51:04.85	Unknown	though.
00:51:16.75	Melissa Blaustein	I can get a stab at this.
00:51:16.83	Sergio	They can be a fabulous.
00:51:18.67	Melissa Blaustein	I can definitely
00:51:18.77	Sergio	I can take a stab at this. Basically, the higher the allowed base density,
00:51:23.74	Sergio	the larger of a project you have, which means that the larger potentially of a density bonus that a developer is entitled to,
00:51:30.42	Sergio	So, you know,
00:51:32.44	Sergio	under state density bonus law,
00:51:34.91	Sergio	A developer has to have a base project that fits...
00:51:40.42	Sergio	within the allowed density and then is allowed
00:51:44.22	Sergio	additional units based on the mix of affordability that they are proposing.
00:51:48.96	Sergio	So obviously the higher base density that you have allowed in your zoning code.
00:51:54.97	Sergio	the bigger kinds of projects that you may have. And of course, the bigger kinds of projects you may have,
00:52:01.03	Sergio	applicants are going to want waivers and concessions, particularly to height limits, which are going to impact views.
00:52:07.71	Sergio	Thank you.
00:52:07.73	Melissa Blaustein	Thank you.
00:52:08.50	Melissa Blaustein	Can you also just elaborate on waivers and concessions and whether or not we would be protected with regards to increasing the density at those sites or decreasing the density?
00:52:17.26	Sergio	So,
00:52:18.31	Sergio	for any point,
00:52:20.18	Sergio	Any area that allows basically a base density
00:52:25.07	Sergio	that would allow
00:52:26.26	Sergio	more than five units on a particular site to be developed as a base project.
00:52:31.72	Sergio	could potentially result in a state density bonus project on that site. The state density bonus law applies to projects of five or more units.
00:52:39.64	Sergio	Um,
00:52:41.02	Sergio	So in terms of...
00:52:41.95	Melissa Blaustein	If it was a five unit project, what is the largest possible increase of density?
00:52:47.50	Sergio	Until...
00:52:50.29	Sergio	So density bonus law was amended recently.
00:52:53.38	Sergio	Historically, it was a 50% increase.
00:52:57.70	Sergio	you could only get, if the base density was out of five, and you had the maximum affordable number of units that you were proposing, you could at most get maybe eight.
00:53:09.59	Sergio	Now, Density Bonus Law actually allows you to stack even more units on top of that.
00:53:15.43	Sergio	have to provide a little bit more research and information on that.
00:53:19.33	Melissa Blaustein	really important to know because we would need to make decisions about
00:53:22.70	Melissa Blaustein	what level of increase would be acceptable based on the potential base project size for each of these sites as we're as we're making these decisions so if we that would be very helpful to know what the update is
00:53:32.78	Unknown	to know.
00:53:36.49	Melissa Blaustein	Thank you. I appreciate it, Sergio.
00:53:37.66	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:53:38.06	Mr. St. Clair	So the vice mayor had her hand up first and then Council Member Hoffman.
00:53:42.57	Council member Kelman	So, Beth, with respect to some of the sites on the southern side of town where you reduced the base density from 49 units per acre to 29 units per acre, did you do that in order to reduce the total possible sized project that could be built there within the historic district, including density bonus? Yes.
00:54:11.30	Beth Thompson	Correct. That would have the effect of reducing the
00:54:15.24	Beth Thompson	percentage of which the density bonus would be calculated from because it would reduce that maximum number of units.
00:54:20.50	Melissa Blaustein	But some of these aren't in the historic district. Oh, sorry.
00:54:23.52	Melissa Blaustein	I didn't mean to interrupt, but I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. Go ahead.
00:54:28.36	Council member Kelman	So on a one acre parcel at 49 units per acre, the base density would be 49. Then they could add another 25 to that.
00:54:40.11	Council member Kelman	plus stacking an additional density bonus on top of that under existing law. Is that right?
00:54:46.64	Sergio	Yes, and that maximum theoretical stacked extra bonus is 50%.
00:54:52.95	Council member Kelman	So on a historic site, zoned one acre, 49 units per acre, you could have 100 units on that one acre using density bonus.
00:54:52.97	Sergio	So-
00:55:06.77	Sergio	So yeah, if, for example, the base density allowed on a site is 10 units, yeah.
00:55:14.13	Sergio	Historically, you could have gotten an additional five. Now, if you provide even more affordable units than...
00:55:21.20	Sergio	you could
00:55:23.34	Sergio	Well, the formula has been changed basically to allow an up to 100% density bonus for very low income units.
00:55:29.52	Council member Kelman	That's my point. So on a one acre lot...
00:55:32.02	Council member Kelman	If it was 49 units per acre, they could put 49 units plus another 49 units at 98 units on one acre.
00:55:39.31	Council member Kelman	Correct?
00:55:40.12	Sergio	Yes.
00:55:41.13	Council member Kelman	And in our historic district, they would be allowed to do that, even if it meant going above our existing height restrictions and interfering with neighbors' views, property values, etc. Correct?
00:55:57.40	Sergio	Yes.
00:55:59.02	Council member Kelman	And so that was one of the rationales for reducing in our historic district the density from 49 units per acre back down to 29 units per acre, which is the standard units per acre throughout Sausalito. Is that right?
00:56:13.63	Sergio	Yeah, that would be one of the reasons, yes.
00:56:16.04	Council member Kelman	Okay.
00:56:16.60	Council member Kelman	And then but and tonight, Melissa kindly asked about two other city owned sites Spencer firehouse and city hall those sites were considered as a part of the initial housing element and removed by at the planning Commission stage is that right.
00:56:35.64	Council member Kelman	Bye.
00:56:35.67	Beth Thompson	Correct. Those sites had been part of the initial housing element project and the draft housing element that was initially published before it was adopted. Yes.
00:56:45.95	Council member Kelman	And so,
00:56:46.97	Council member Kelman	Although we could not keep our current timeline and add those sites, there's nothing to prevent us next year from revising our housing element again to reduce some of the sites in the northern side of town and adding those sites in the middle of town and up on Spencer. Is that right?
00:57:05.84	Beth Thompson	Correct. Yes, you absolutely could go back and make additional revisions.
00:57:09.40	Council member Kelman	So the goal is to adopt a housing element amendment in time to make our ballot initiative deadline in March, but there's nothing to prevent us next year from making further housing element amendments correct.
00:57:23.73	Council member Kelman	rats.
00:57:25.18	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:57:27.09	Mr. St. Clair	Council Member Hoffman and then back to Council Member Bostein.
00:57:30.51	Mr. St. Clair	Oh, I'm sorry.
00:57:31.15	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
00:57:31.37	Mr. St. Clair	Would you like to go for it?
00:57:33.68	Mr. St. Clair	Go ahead, Council Member Huff.
00:57:34.99	Councilmember Hoffman	Oh, thank you. I tried to work on my microphone. Are you guys hearing me a little bit better?
00:57:39.81	Mr. St. Clair	You sound much better, yes.
00:57:41.06	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
00:57:41.09	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, thanks.
00:57:42.49	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, so one of the things I did wanna ask was about
00:57:45.84	Councilmember Hoffman	the odds recommendation to increase the height limit. And I know we're going to talk about later, but I want to talk about it now as well, what those sites are and how that affects our housing number.
00:57:59.72	Councilmember Hoffman	and where those sites are. Because I think there's some confusion about where
00:58:03.96	Councilmember Hoffman	we're proposing that the high limits be increased.
00:58:10.00	Director Phipps	Councilman, question. Yeah.
00:58:10.25	Councilmember Hoffman	or is there a question?
00:58:11.76	Councilmember Hoffman	COB, Jean Gatza, Yeah, so I think this may be a question for either our Community development director or for Miss Thompson, if you know where it is Miss Thompson, but COB, Jean Gatza, Either one of you could just show us the the odds recommendation is to increase the height limits on I think two particular properties on the north end of town.
00:58:30.88	Director Phipps	Absolutely, Councilmember. And Beth, I'm hoping that we can one-two punch this. If you wouldn't mind perhaps pulling up one, let's see, slide or page 19 of the amended housing element, which shows and summarizes the changes visually, that would be really helpful.
00:58:46.52	Director Phipps	Absolutely.
00:58:46.53	Angela Garcia	Absolutely.
00:58:47.46	Director Phipps	And again, yeah, this is an important question, Councilmember. So in order to accommodate the city's assigned housing needs, height limits will need to be increased on designated opportunity sites. And there is the potential for some adverse impacts to public views, as we've been touching on. The city is required to accommodate its assigned housing needs, also referred to as the RHNA, which has resulted in the need to increase densities on sites throughout the city. We did go through this public process in 22 and 23 to draft the amendments and identify the sites that were ultimately included in the element. The city is now working to further refine the sites, but what we see is based on our preparation of objective design and development standards to establish standards for development, projects with, this is for projects of two or more units, of course, these odds will apply to these sites identified to accommodate increased densities. And the odds are being drafted and are anticipated to establish a maximum height of four stories or up to 45 feet for opportunity sites that are designated to accommodate densities of 49 dwelling units per acre and 70 dwelling units per acre that's housing and mixed use overlay sites so to your question council member hoffman the short answer is those height limits are increased for 49 dwelling units per acre sites and 70 dwelling unit per acre sites both housing and mixed use
01:00:12.93	Councilmember Hoffman	but,
01:00:15.28	Director Phipps	Oh, thank you. Bob Brown has just clarified. Everything but the 70 remains three. 70 is four.
01:00:24.17	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, so just the 70 sites per acre?
01:00:29.57	Director Phipps	70 dwelling units per acre.
01:00:29.91	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah.
01:00:31.26	Director Phipps	overlay for housing and mixed use. Thank you.
01:00:35.28	Councilmember Hoffman	And where's that?
01:00:36.02	Director Phipps	With a limit of 45.
01:00:37.99	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
01:00:39.01	Councilmember Hoffman	And where are those on your map?
01:00:41.17	Director Phipps	Beth?
01:00:42.06	Beth Thompson	So if you, those are the housing 70 is the one with this orange and then the bright pink. So we've got the,
01:00:51.19	Beth Thompson	The site to have to hear which is the Altamira site, not including the actual hotel building, but the parking and other other persons that are part of that site site 110.
01:01:03.34	Beth Thompson	which is, I don't remember the street name, off of San Carlos Avenue here.
01:01:08.12	Beth Thompson	And then let's see, we've got a couple others. I'm going to have to really peer in at this though to find those. OK, we've got the
01:01:16.43	Beth Thompson	uh,
01:01:17.84	Beth Thompson	Corporation yard site right here.
01:01:21.19	Beth Thompson	Oh wait, that's not, hold on.
01:01:23.76	Beth Thompson	Right here, we've got the corporation yard site, and I believe that, yes, that's 70 as well.
01:01:23.84	Angela Garcia	Right.
01:01:23.98	Unknown	I hear from you.
01:01:29.72	Beth Thompson	And then let me quickly look at my spreadsheet to see if I'm missing any, but I think those are the ones we have.
01:01:36.14	Beth Thompson	Awesome.
01:01:37.26	Beth Thompson	off of my head and it might get blurry here for a minute while my spreadsheet tries to share.
01:01:43.28	Beth Thompson	share that. Let's see.
01:01:51.16	Beth Thompson	Sorry, my spreadsheet is rather enormous with all of the sites, so it takes me a moment to scroll through.
01:01:51.67	Director Phipps	I suppose.
01:01:58.54	Director Phipps	I'll just restate while Beth is searching that the increase in height limits was necessitated based on staff's evaluation of the densities that we've allocated to those units. And based on our evaluation, an increase in height was required to accommodate those densities.
01:02:19.09	Beth Thompson	We've also got one site that I have not mentioned.
01:02:23.89	Councilmember Kelman	You might want to articulate what drove those densities in the analysis.
01:02:30.25	Director Phipps	Well, this was driven by public feedback, staff's input, feedback from council, feedback from HCD, as well as our own integration of new state law, specifically regarding housing policy into our local zoning code.
01:02:50.01	Councilmember Hoffman	And so where are the sites on, so those are the central, I guess,
01:02:55.85	Councilmember Hoffman	central sauce later sites, the Altamira, and then there was another site over there.
01:02:59.37	Beth Thompson	where they are.
01:03:00.15	Beth Thompson	Altamira site 110, and then you also have the corporation right off of Tomala Street. And then we have one site at 72, and it is either Avatar or adjacent to where that,
01:03:12.80	Beth Thompson	says commercial development is that how to avatar
01:03:15.49	Beth Thompson	And that is where the, the, um,
01:03:18.16	Beth Thompson	property owner was planning to convert the parking area to housing and had submitted some preliminary conceptual plans.
01:03:25.19	Beth Thompson	for those uses.
01:03:28.04	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
01:03:30.20	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, thank you.
01:03:30.96	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you very much for showing us that on the map.
01:03:34.44	Councilmember Hoffman	And so what
01:03:35.76	Councilmember Hoffman	If we increase it to four stories, I know under state law, there are some other waivers with regard to height if you have
01:03:43.53	Councilmember Hoffman	the density bonus. So how many stories...
01:03:47.13	Councilmember Hoffman	conceivably what's the maximum if they take advantage of all of the various density bonus calculations.
01:03:57.12	Beth Thompson	There's really no specific maximum there. It would be what they propose using the maximum density allowed and how they design their project. It would be up to the city to determine if that's really necessary to achieve the density.
01:04:10.53	Beth Thompson	So there's not like a maximum increase that people are limited to.
01:04:15.51	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, so my question is though, would they be able to build up higher than four stories?
01:04:20.78	Councilmember Hoffman	Yes, they probably
01:04:20.91	Council member Kelman	Yes, they probably
01:04:21.64	Councilmember Hoffman	I'm not sure.
01:04:21.71	Councilmember Hoffman	.
01:04:21.72	Council member Kelman	.
01:04:21.74	Beth Thompson	possibly.
01:04:21.98	Councilmember Hoffman	that.
01:04:23.09	Council member Kelman	it.
01:04:23.31	Council member Kelman	But wouldn't they have to demonstrate that it is financially infeasible for them to accommodate the number of units to which they're entitled?
01:04:32.71	Council member Kelman	before they could go above the four-story height limitation.
01:04:37.15	Beth Thompson	I will let the city attorney answer that. I believe so. I'm not financially, but I believe they would have to demonstrate that it's not feasible.
01:04:45.91	Sergio	Yeah, I will pull up government code 65915. But in terms of a request for waiver of the height limit,
01:04:54.49	Sergio	you know, under state density bonus law,
01:04:57.45	Sergio	The developer is entitled to a certain number of incentives and concessions based on
01:05:02.83	Sergio	the mix of affordability that their project proposes and additionally
01:05:06.78	Sergio	The city is required to waive any
01:05:10.66	Sergio	development standards that physically preclude
01:05:13.78	Sergio	the construction of the development.
01:05:16.30	Sergio	at the densities that are requested by the developer.
01:05:20.45	Sergio	So,
01:05:21.97	Sergio	You know, there may be some back and forth with the developer as to whether or not a city's height limit actually effectively prevents the project from being approved by, you know, at the proposed density.
01:05:33.46	Sergio	Um,
01:05:35.79	Sergio	And there are some additional grounds under which
01:05:39.01	Sergio	you know, a public agency can deny a waiver.
01:05:42.71	Sergio	They are relatively limited.
01:05:45.64	Sergio	You know, those include
01:05:48.11	Sergio	you know, a specific
01:05:49.36	Sergio	impact on health or safety for which there's no feasible method to mitigate or avoid the specific adverse impact.
01:05:55.45	Sergio	or
01:05:58.30	Sergio	Additionally, if
01:06:00.54	Sergio	it would have an inverse impact on real property listed on the California Register of Historic Resources. So, but in general,
01:06:09.27	Sergio	if a developer has a...
01:06:11.07	Sergio	strong argument that they need a waiver to the height limit in order to
01:06:15.51	Sergio	realistically achieve the density,
01:06:18.19	Sergio	They will have a strong argument they're entitled to it.
01:06:21.67	Mr. St. Clair	Can I interrupt? I think we all have interjections.
01:06:25.32	Mr. St. Clair	It's still Calisbury Hoffman's.
01:06:28.08	Mr. St. Clair	Question time, but could I interject a question here on this? Yeah, sure.
01:06:30.58	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, sure. Go ahead. I'm fine. I'm finished. Thank you.
01:06:32.23	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you. It seems pretty important in terms of the game of chicken.
01:06:37.65	Mr. St. Clair	Sergio, this is something we talked about. If the developer claims that it's necessary to go high, to achieve the affordability balance, then is the burden of proof on them to prove it to us with numbers? You know, the burden of proof.
01:06:55.91	Sergio	You know, the burden of proof is on the city, unfortunately.
01:06:59.54	Mr. St. Clair	The burden of proof is on the city. Yes. We would have to do the research, financial and design.
01:07:01.49	Sergio	Thank you.
01:07:05.33	Mr. St. Clair	to prove that they don't have to go high.
01:07:08.62	Mr. St. Clair	Correct. He'll achieve the same density.
01:07:11.00	Mr. St. Clair	And what are the consequences if we got it wrong? So let's say we say the developer says, oh, you need to build six stories. And we say, no, you only need to be four. Here's our analysis. The developer sues us. The developer wins. What is the consequence to the city?
01:07:26.44	Sergio	While one, they can seek invalidation of the city's
01:07:31.62	Sergio	action on the project and, you know, require the city to
01:07:36.44	Sergio	look again and potentially reapprove.
01:07:39.16	Sergio	Additionally, they may be entitled to attorney's fees. And lastly, they could be entitled to penalties under the Housing Accountability Act.
01:07:45.79	Mr. St. Clair	And can you put a scale on those? So attorney, like what kind of penalties are possible?
01:07:51.58	Mr. St. Clair	Um,
01:07:51.63	Sergio	What is this?
01:07:54.47	Sergio	Well, one, the attorney's fees are a pretty significant penalty.
01:08:00.83	Sergio	Um...
01:08:03.22	Sergio	And additionally, under the Housing Accountability Act,
01:08:09.84	Sergio	Um...
01:08:11.58	Sergio	There is the potential for
01:08:15.68	Sergio	I'm looking for the statute.
01:08:22.65	Sergio	potential of fines if a public agency acts in bad faith,
01:08:28.30	Sergio	And
01:08:29.73	Sergio	a fine in a minimum out of $10,000 per housing unit.
01:08:36.47	Sergio	in terms of any sort of denial. And then additionally, a court can multiply that fine by a factor of five for actions in bad faith, so.
01:08:46.58	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
01:08:46.80	Mr. St. Clair	for a 50-unit building that could be a half million dollar fine times something. Yes. Right. Not the answers I wanted to hear, but okay.
01:08:51.79	Sergio	Yes.
01:08:56.87	Mr. St. Clair	followed yeah i think just in order it's still concert are you done council member hoffman with your questions
01:09:01.60	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, so it was council member, I promised council member.
01:09:04.65	Council member Kelman	I'm not going to follow on that, but I was too.
01:09:06.52	Mr. St. Clair	Councilmember Blofstein and then Councilmember W. Vice Mayor. Did you have any more?
01:09:06.76	Council member Kelman	else.
01:09:06.88	Unknown	remember Boston.
01:09:12.38	Councilmember Kelman	Oh, I haven't gone yet.
01:09:14.37	Mr. St. Clair	Okay. All right. So Councilmember Boste, and then the Vice Mayor, and then Councilmember Kellman.
01:09:19.82	Melissa Blaustein	City Attorney, isn't it true that in the current environment the state is much more likely to favor the developer, and in fact there are very few cases where the state favors the city on these types of rulings?
01:09:30.92	Sergio	Yes, there are, to my knowledge, very few court decisions where the courts have upheld decisions of cities in Housing Accountability Act litigation.
01:09:41.10	Melissa Blaustein	And just last month, didn't Governor Newsom sign 30 plus new housing proposals to streamline further the enforcement of the state laws at the local level?
01:09:50.06	Sergio	Correct. There have been significant revisions to SB 9. Additionally, there have been three new ADU laws signed. Additionally, there have been revisions
01:09:59.44	Sergio	to the builder's remedy.
01:10:03.24	Sergio	which change the affordability requirements, clarify the statute, make it more usable while imposing, I think, more requirements on developers.
01:10:12.35	Sergio	Yes.
01:10:14.31	Melissa Blaustein	So could we request as part of the study a better a better emphasis or understanding of what the implications of those new streamlines will be in terms of the decisions we're making about the housing element because they could indeed change what the outcome of density at all of these sites would be per the state mandates.
01:10:31.40	Sergio	Yes, I mean, I'm certainly happy to provide briefing on those. I think one of the key issues here, of course, is that given your size of your arena, you are mandated to plan for 19% more housing units than you currently have. You know, that's not going to, that is going to result in impacts throughout the city, regardless of where you put them.
01:10:50.14	Sergio	And the bigger issue is given the state housing element law,
01:10:54.71	Sergio	You're not allowed to credit potential development under state density bonus law or similar as Beth explained.
01:11:02.18	Sergio	in helping you offset or lower your density
01:11:05.71	Sergio	you know, while you're picking your housing sites.
01:11:09.35	Melissa Blaustein	Of course not, but I was referring to more of the bigger picture of thinking holistically about how we make decisions that will have a long-term impact.
01:11:15.73	Melissa Blaustein	and envisioning what the footprint could be with what we are allowing, and then also considering what the density bonus, worst case, or best case, however you look at it scenario, would be with regards to the housing there. So, okay, thank you. I appreciate it.
01:11:30.92	Mr. St. Clair	Vice Mayor.
01:11:32.80	Council member Kelman	We jumped a little bit ahead, Brandon, in discussing the odds before we finished discussing the housing element. And we were talking about higher, you know, allowing four stories for 70 units per acre.
01:11:48.45	Council member Kelman	I just will we not as part of the odds discussion also be reviewing a software that will allow the city to make its case for the development capacity of any.
01:12:02.09	Council member Kelman	individual parcel so as to have a good faith basis for resisting efforts by developers to go above our height limits.
01:12:11.54	Director Phipps	Absolutely, Vice Mayor, and that's a very good point. I have been biting my tongue because I'm excited to, well, present this to you this evening, but you're going to hear some very innovative and novel solutions to view preservation this evening that I don't believe any other city in the nation has thought about or has engaged in with quite as much passion and commitment as this city so absolutely vice mayor those efforts, which all refer to as view sync and view preservation related efforts. Are under counsel consideration will be presented this evening.
01:12:49.10	Council member Kelman	And so city attorney, you were discussing certain penalties that could be available to a developer if the city acted in bad faith. But if a city takes a good faith position based on objective standards and software validated analysis, would the city not be able to make a case that it is acting in good faith, not bad faith, and avoid some of those penalties?
01:13:14.87	Sergio	Potentially, yes.
01:13:17.06	Council member Kelman	All right, thanks. And again, I don't want to go too far afield. I just wanted to address the efforts being made by staff, not only to meet the RHNA, but also to reduce risk in adopting the odds that we're also required to do.
01:13:31.54	Mr. St. Clair	Councilmember Kelman and then Councilmember Hoffman.
01:13:33.64	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
01:13:33.65	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you, Mayor. Beth, let's go back to 300 locusts.
01:13:39.71	Councilmember Kelman	Councillor Blasio brought it back up. This is something that we like to act closely and so,
01:13:44.12	Councilmember Kelman	Take us through...
01:13:46.58	Councilmember Kelman	What?
01:13:47.96	Councilmember Kelman	How many units it would be zoned for? And then how many could actually be built based on these state density bonus laws?
01:14:02.48	Councilmember Kelman	And I think we're all sort of getting to the
01:14:05.87	Councilmember Kelman	the point we're trying to make to the community is there are things we can control and there's a lot of things that are way beyond our control, including penalties for
01:14:14.54	Councilmember Kelman	not taking action. So we're trying to balance all of that.
01:14:20.40	Councilmember Kelman	Sorry.
01:14:21.04	Beth Thompson	There are a few different things that can happen with this site. So I'm just going to share my screen again so you can see the site we're discussing.
01:14:28.48	Councilmember Kelman	So 300 locusts is on Bridgeway. It's right by where the joinery is located. It's just south of Dunphy Park for everybody's reference. And so this is a parcel that we looked at and thought, well, how high could it potentially get? And wanted to really understand that. So Beth, that's the question is how high would the density bonus laws?
01:14:49.24	Councilmember Kelman	Could that be?
01:14:51.70	Beth Thompson	are that
01:14:53.89	Beth Thompson	That's a little bit of a harder question. So what we can see on this site is you're currently designated for 49 units per acre, and the housing element counts 13 units for that. And at the 49 units per acre, and it's roughly a half acre site,
01:15:12.96	Beth Thompson	If that was doubled, so you were to get a 100% density bonus, then you would see 49.98 around the gap. You would see 50 units on that site.
01:15:24.02	Beth Thompson	Um,
01:15:25.91	Beth Thompson	which is...
01:15:27.05	Beth Thompson	A lot, roughly, you know, a hundred units per acre.
01:15:31.39	Beth Thompson	And I don't know what the exact height would be, but based on your 70 units per acre going up to four feet, you would probably see something that was, you know, five or six feet tall, or six feet, six stories tall.
01:15:46.31	Beth Thompson	And that would, the heights would vary depending on how the building's designed, if it has an excuse or if it's all residential.
01:15:53.65	Beth Thompson	So you would see it, you know, your six stories and your
01:15:58.85	Beth Thompson	averaging, you know,
01:16:00.52	Beth Thompson	14 stories.
01:16:02.42	Beth Thompson	or 14, we'll say 13 feet. If you average 13 feet per story, you'd be at 78 feet, which would be very high along your waterfront.
01:16:12.92	Melissa Blaustein	Yeah, sorry, do you have a follow-up? Yeah, I just wanted to, I don't understand the math on the number of units. Is it 13 times three?
01:16:17.97	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
01:16:18.98	Mr. St. Clair	I'm gonna ask your questions out loud.
01:16:20.80	Melissa Blaustein	Yeah, let's have that do it. Sorry, I'm just asking her because the expert and she and Joan worked very hard on this. I'm just trying to understand. So if the 13 units initially and we're amending it to 11 in a worst case scenario with density bonus build, it would be 3x the number, correct? Because it's 100% density and then an additional 100% density?
01:16:21.86	Mr. St. Clair	Let's do it.
01:16:23.92	Mr. St. Clair	asking her because it's the
01:16:40.21	Beth Thompson	So it would be, well,
01:16:42.70	Beth Thompson	So it all depends on the density bonus they receive. So there are 49 units per acre and 0.51 acres. So they could, so,
01:16:52.24	Beth Thompson	So they counted 13 units.
01:16:52.34	Melissa Blaustein	So they keep...
01:16:53.77	Melissa Blaustein	units. I see. Thank you.
01:16:56.24	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you, Beth. Thank you.
01:16:59.46	Mr. St. Clair	Any more questions? Councilmember Hoffman?
01:17:03.44	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, let me, sorry, let me just follow up on that one. So we have amended units of 11 on this site.
01:17:09.70	Councilmember Hoffman	Because it wasn't clear to me, sorry, the answer. So 11 units on this site.
01:17:14.23	Councilmember Hoffman	What's the, so with density bonus, what would the max be?
01:17:17.42	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
01:17:17.43	Beth Thompson	So,
01:17:18.01	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
01:17:18.34	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
01:17:18.36	Beth Thompson	And this would once again depend on the density bonus they received. But if they were to get a 100% density bonus, it would be 30 units.
01:17:28.77	Beth Thompson	on that side.
01:17:30.58	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay. And a height limit still of three stories.
01:17:33.45	Beth Thompson	At 30 minutes, you would probably be, they should be able to do that within three stories. Definitely.
01:17:37.99	Mr. St. Clair	I'm wondering why is it 30 and not 22?
01:17:42.15	Beth Thompson	Why is 130 and not 20?
01:17:43.12	Mr. St. Clair	and not.
01:17:43.54	Mr. St. Clair	Why is 100% density bonus on 11 amended units, not 11 plus 11, 22? Why is it that?
01:17:48.95	Beth Thompson	Bye.
01:17:49.85	Beth Thompson	But...
01:17:50.69	Beth Thompson	Because that's the realistic capacity, which is a reduction. It's not actually based on the maximum capacity. So 29 units per acre and a half acre is 15 or 14 and a half units, running up to 15. So if you double that 15, which is the maximum units it could get under the maximum 29 units per acre, and you double that, you get up to 30.
01:18:14.00	Mr. St. Clair	My colleagues followed that, but I would like you to repeat that because I did not follow it. Can you say that again?
01:18:18.50	Beth Thompson	Okay, so the adopted units and the amended units are not 100% of the allowed density. They're the quote unquote realistic capacity. So, HCD doesn't allow you to take credit for the maximum units per acre unless you've demonstrated a trend of developing at the maximum units per acre. So, in Sausalito's case, we didn't really have that trend over the past housing cycle.
01:18:44.88	Beth Thompson	So we looked at a realistic capacity, which is a reduction.
01:18:50.03	Beth Thompson	the maximum allowed units on this site under the 29 units per acre, and that's applied to a half-acre site,
01:18:58.36	Beth Thompson	that's 14 and a half, we're rounding at 15 units. So you can, so the amended units
01:19:04.39	Beth Thompson	is the realistic capacity, but the
01:19:07.12	Beth Thompson	maximum under that density is 15. So multiplying that by two is how you get to the 30.
01:19:13.89	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, thank you. Councilmember Hoffman, did you have a question?
01:19:16.25	Mr. St. Clair	Any other?
01:19:16.94	Councilmember Hoffman	I did. Yeah, I did. I had a couple of questions this follow up.
01:19:20.62	Councilmember Hoffman	So even though we don't in our planning of our RHNA number, we can't take credit for whatever
01:19:28.77	Councilmember Hoffman	in excess of whatever we plan for. In other words, this, for example, this unit that we're talking about, so this parcel
01:19:35.66	Councilmember Hoffman	We've given her number 11,
01:19:38.81	Councilmember Hoffman	we can't, the maximum density that we just talked about would be 30%.
01:19:41.75	Councilmember Hoffman	We can't take that into account
01:19:43.77	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, for this arena cycle, for our arena number in our planning,
01:19:48.02	Councilmember Hoffman	But let me ask you this, the converse is
01:19:50.83	Councilmember Hoffman	If let's say they do actually build 30 units there and we're talking about whether or not we've complied with our build requirement at the end of the time, do we then get to take credit for them?
01:20:01.04	Beth Thompson	You do get to take credit and then in your next housing element cycle, you can have much more aggressive assumptions.
01:20:06.76	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay, gotcha. About how many units we can get per cycle.
01:20:09.32	Beth Thompson	Right.
01:20:10.16	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you. And then I had a follow-up question.
01:20:10.20	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
01:20:10.22	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:20:10.49	Beth Thompson	.
01:20:12.22	Councilmember Hoffman	This is sort of a general question for
01:20:16.09	Councilmember Hoffman	I think our community development director, maybe, or maybe you, Beth, I don't know,
01:20:20.27	Councilmember Hoffman	But
01:20:21.35	Councilmember Hoffman	The benefits, the benefits of it being a city owned site. So in other words, we have I think the main city sites that we have are
01:20:29.60	Councilmember Hoffman	the corporation yard that we're talking about and the MLK site, I think,
01:20:34.30	Councilmember Hoffman	I mean, one of the benefits,
01:20:36.57	Councilmember Hoffman	that.
01:20:36.71	Councilmember Hoffman	I mean, one of the benefits to me that comes to mind
01:20:39.76	Councilmember Hoffman	is that the city owns it. So the city gets to decide what's on that property.
01:20:44.78	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, we can probably decide that we're not going to build
01:20:48.66	Councilmember Hoffman	a four-story or three-story, whatever it is, on those sites, which I think is a benefit for the residents that are concerned with what's going to be built on city-owned sites. So
01:20:58.44	Councilmember Hoffman	I mean,
01:20:59.57	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, what do you, how do you explain that or Council Director Phipps, what do you think about that?
01:21:06.29	Director Phipps	Yeah, I agree, Councilmember. MLK and the courtyard, both owned by the city, both zoned public institutional, I think would generally need to go through something akin to a development agreement process between the city and a developer in order to arrive at a mutually beneficial negotiation. Development agreements do not require the proposed project to be consistent with local zoning, as it can allow for more freedom in developing a concept that as stated is mutually beneficial so yes city has much more control on properties that they own.
01:21:40.63	Councilmember Hoffman	And I just said I can't imagine that we wouldn't have public meetings. I mean, I believe we would have to have public meetings and take public input about what the design would be and the impacts of the neighborhood. So that is the benefit. If you're talking about city owned properties and what we're going to build there. And I don't think that was clear in the discussion that I've heard.
01:21:59.63	Councilmember Hoffman	I'm
01:22:00.86	Councilmember Hoffman	around town and also in the staff report. So thank you for that.
01:22:08.38	Councilmember Hoffman	And that's all it.
01:22:08.98	Mr. St. Clair	I don't have any further questions. Do you want to go first? I just have one question. OK, the Council Member Blashti.
01:22:11.28	Melissa Blaustein	Thank you.
01:22:11.56	Melissa Blaustein	question.
01:22:13.67	Melissa Blaustein	There's one last clarifying point on the density bonus as we're looking at all of these sites, but specifically at Locust. At any one of these sites, even though we see a number here like 11 or 4 or 5,
01:22:26.01	Melissa Blaustein	80.
01:22:27.02	Melissa Blaustein	Well, not in the case of the 80 unit site, it is city-owned sites. This would not apply. But any of those would be applying the percentage of the acre. So as we're increasing or decreasing, we're effectively choosing to...
01:22:39.10	Melissa Blaustein	protect from the scenario where it would be the largest number. So if we are zoning for 29 units per acre, no matter what number we give, should a stensity bonus be granted to a developer, it could be up to 29 units per acre, even if we've said eight.
01:22:55.81	Beth Thompson	Correct, correct. They can always come in without a density bonus at the maximum allowed density, regardless of what we've put in the,
01:22:57.60	Melissa Blaustein	that they can-
01:23:05.11	Beth Thompson	assumption for realistic capacity. Yes. And they can come in with more than that.
01:23:09.31	Melissa Blaustein	So in effect, protection is the amount of units that we select to provide per acre here.
01:23:09.70	Beth Thompson	affect the most.
01:23:14.57	Melissa Blaustein	In reality. That's your largest protection, yes.
01:23:14.93	Beth Thompson	That's your largest protection.
01:23:17.98	Mr. St. Clair	Great, that was actually my question too.
01:23:20.35	Mr. St. Clair	to simplify this for the public and for me,
01:23:24.09	Mr. St. Clair	When you're saying the number of units per acre, after all of setting it down with all this density bonus stuff and all the hoops that a developer could go through, it's not gonna be more than that. That's the maximum, 29 in the case of the Locust Street location.
01:23:40.56	Mr. St. Clair	No.
01:23:41.91	Beth Thompson	Yes, the density bonus will always be based on that maximum units.
01:23:45.10	Mr. St. Clair	units but it's 29 per acre so half of that because it was a half acre a lot maybe you could put it back up is 15 so the maximum is uh is 30 is what you said
01:23:55.60	Beth Thompson	Yeah.
01:23:55.70	Mr. St. Clair	Yeah.
01:23:55.75	Beth Thompson	And that's what the 100% of the city bonus.
01:23:58.99	Mr. St. Clair	It would actually, if it was, if that lot had been a whole acre, the maximum number of units would have been 60.
01:24:03.94	Beth Thompson	Correct. And I'm working to put that back up. I had scrolled away from that one.
01:24:06.03	Mr. St. Clair	I'd scroll the way from that one. That's an easy way for us. It's basically whatever that number is times two is the maximum number of units that a developer could use the state law to try to claim that they could build. And so that's the worst, so-called worst case scenario. Is that correct, Beth?
01:24:11.85	Beth Thompson	Yes.
01:24:12.00	Director Phipps	Thank you.
01:24:24.15	Beth Thompson	That would be the worst case scenario.
01:24:25.43	Mr. St. Clair	That would be.
01:24:27.32	Mr. St. Clair	Right, so for anyone in the public, you multiply that number by the acre, the size of the lot, and multiply it by two, and that's the maximum number of units that could potentially be built there.
01:24:38.41	Council member Kelman	Except for city-owned properties.
01:24:39.76	Mr. St. Clair	Except for city owned properties, which we control.
01:24:43.59	Mr. St. Clair	uh,
01:24:44.52	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, so, well, since we're on this slide,
01:24:48.64	Mr. St. Clair	If they wanted to build 15, 30 units on this, no, is this, yeah, that's the one. They wanted to build 30 units on this location and the developer claimed
01:24:58.95	Mr. St. Clair	that they needed, I don't know, 12 foot ceilings to make it work economically in their market units to justify having 50% affordable units. Could they go to seven stories?
01:25:17.31	Beth Thompson	So let's see, let me pull up my math there on this one.
01:25:22.56	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:25:24.02	Beth Thompson	And they could try to justify anything and that would be up to the city to refute that and to demonstrate whether or not that's feasible. So I don't wanna tie it to a specific story without having a little more like
01:25:40.44	Beth Thompson	Looking at that.
01:25:42.03	Beth Thompson	design and math thing of that, but you could see something.
01:25:47.31	Beth Thompson	I have a hard time imagining it
01:25:49.93	Beth Thompson	At the 29 units per acre, if it was doubled going up to seven stories, but
01:25:55.90	Mr. St. Clair	obviously picking numbers out of the air but what i'm really driving at is and it went to my previous question and to the vice mayor's comment on the thing we're going to take up next about its utility in many ways the burden is on us to prove that a developers claim that they need design features like height to meet the affordability requirements is on the city
01:25:56.27	Beth Thompson	to see.
01:26:21.75	Mr. St. Clair	And there are consequences if there aren't. And so the main...
01:26:27.62	Mr. St. Clair	And I'm seeing nods. So I'm understanding that. But I also think it's important for the public, really, to understand that, too, because this is a learning curve for a lot of us.
01:26:37.84	Mr. St. Clair	odds, the ability to have objective design standards, does that, let's just say the view issue, does that, if the developer claimed that they needed to go to block someone's view, doesn't matter how high, to block someone's view, that would have been prohibited by our view ordinance to have an affordable unit to meet their affordability requirements. Would our view ordinance still preclude them from doing that?
01:27:02.02	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, I don't know. I could ask it later. It just seems... Sorry, that was my question. I'm trying to put it together.
01:27:09.69	Sergio	The answer is yes. The developer would have a very strong argument that they are entitled to build their project, notwithstanding the impacts on Vue's.
01:27:18.23	Mr. St. Clair	Okay.
01:27:19.04	Mr. St. Clair	If we wanted to enhance our position on this question,
01:27:22.55	Mr. St. Clair	of pushing back on developers who are trying to build the maximum number of lecture units in the biggest building.
01:27:29.78	Mr. St. Clair	Would we be in a strong position if we had our own in-house architectural assessment and financial assessment of a project so that we could have a certified opinion about whether or not the developer's claims are accurate?
01:27:45.25	Sergio	So,
01:27:47.68	Sergio	I think it would improve your
01:27:50.50	Sergio	litigation position, I don't know that it by itself would necessarily
01:27:55.36	Sergio	Um,
01:27:56.66	Sergio	you know,
01:27:57.82	Sergio	win the day in part because of the very strong language in the state density bonus law.
01:28:04.71	Sergio	the burden being placed on the city, you know, to justify any sort of denials of incentives and concessions. And additionally, there is existing case law
01:28:15.15	Sergio	that
01:28:16.39	Sergio	suggests that cities cannot deny
01:28:17.87	Unknown	and not.
01:28:20.23	Sergio	waivers and concessions on the basis of
01:28:23.68	Sergio	the fact that a project could be built differently to avoid them.
01:28:29.01	Sergio	That is the Bankers Hill decision against the city of San Diego.
01:28:33.82	Sergio	So, you know,
01:28:36.18	Sergio	It would definitely be helpful to have that sort of analysis if the city wants to deny waivers and concessions. The best.
01:28:44.55	Sergio	Jason Kuznicki- reason to deny waivers is the language that is tied in the statute which identifies a specific impact on public health or safety that has no possible mitigation or alternatively.
01:28:55.81	Sergio	Um,
01:28:56.73	Sergio	you know, an impact on a listed historic resource on the state register.
01:29:03.85	Sergio	So those are the strongest grounds the city has for denial of waivers.
01:29:07.77	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, thank you. I had a question about community development agreements. You mentioned that owning city property is kind of like having a community development agreement.
01:29:15.65	Mr. St. Clair	So if we own the property, we own the property. So we get a veto on what's built there, and we can make sure it's two stories or three or one because we own it. Community development agreement is an agreement with a private property owner. I'm saying this so you can tell me if I got it wrong, where, as you said, it doesn't have to meet the underlining zoning. I believe it has to meet the general plan goals, but that we can agree with a specific design on a specific location with a private property owner. Is that you're nodding yes?
01:29:49.64	Director Phipps	Yes, the city will have the most leverage to do this on a property that they own. However, it is possible for a city to engage in a development agreement with a private property owner in connection with a property that they do not own.
01:30:03.15	Mr. St. Clair	So if there was a house, say there's a site that is not currently in the housing element,
01:30:08.03	Mr. St. Clair	we could go to that property owner if they were interested in building housing and we'd have two choices we could put it in the housing element and then we have all these issues of they're possibly using bonus density law to build a tall building or building that blocks views or otherwise or since they're not in the housing element and the property is not zoned we could negotiate with them a specific height limit that's specific to the agreement you're nodding yes is that
01:30:34.03	Director Phipps	Thank you.
01:30:34.27	Director Phipps	That's correct. And we would just want to make sure that whatever we agree on, whatever concept is committed to, is consistent with the underlining general plan, and we would have to make follow-on amendments to our code as required.
01:30:47.05	Mr. St. Clair	So when we put sites in the housing element, we don't have that freedom to negotiate a community development agreement. But for sites not in the housing element, we would have that freedom because in the housing element, they have vested rights. I don't know if that's the term of art,
01:30:59.09	Director Phipps	I would say that there's nothing that precludes the city from attempting to engage in negotiations with property owners, whether or not on city property or on private property. You know, the housing element really allocates density and what the city chooses to do as related to public private partnerships, I would say is outside of that process.
01:31:17.67	Sergio	Additionally, development agreements are typically, you know, an alternative pathway to a land use approval.
01:31:24.57	Sergio	They are usually used when the underlying zoning doesn't allow for what the developer wants to propose.
01:31:33.18	Sergio	So once you allow
01:31:35.46	Sergio	in the underlying zoning, that particular land use, your leverage for negotiating any such agreement evaporates. So that's the main issue.
01:31:43.02	Mr. St. Clair	I'm sorry, I'm not a lawyer.
01:31:44.57	Mr. St. Clair	I'm just wondering,
01:31:46.60	Mr. St. Clair	Is there a way of trying to meet our housing requirement and having more control over what's being built?
01:31:52.76	Mr. St. Clair	that uses this tool.
01:31:54.41	Sergio	I think the answer there is no, for the reason that the housing element law says you must zone to allow a certain amount of capacity to
01:32:04.21	Sergio	develop based on this arena and you're allowed to credit the
01:32:10.56	Sergio	not the actual maximum zoning, but
01:32:13.75	Sergio	What HCD determines is a realistic development capacity based on factors like your
01:32:19.98	Sergio	history of approving building permits and projects, whether or not you have historically approved density bonus projects and discounting things like site constraints on the site, such as slope,
01:32:33.10	Sergio	So, yeah.
01:32:35.01	Mr. St. Clair	A following question, just that's to approve the housing element and get past the builder's remedy threat near term. But four years into our...
01:32:43.36	Mr. St. Clair	housing cycle if there isn't uh
01:32:46.94	Mr. St. Clair	a meaningful number of units actually built with this zoning change is there a threat that we could possibly have our housing element decertified because we haven't had actual construction or is it a safe harbor that once we have the approved housing element that even if very few sites are actually built that we will not lose our housing element uh we will not be so determined
01:33:08.51	Sergio	Yeah.
01:33:09.79	Sergio	Typically, you are required to
01:33:15.04	Sergio	create a plan to zone for
01:33:17.15	Sergio	the housing requirement to meet the Reno.
01:33:20.42	Sergio	You normally have three years from adoption of the housing element to complete all rezoning actions.
01:33:26.14	Sergio	And once you do that,
01:33:29.52	Sergio	If you don't end up having those sites be developed, then basically you will be subject to
01:33:36.17	Sergio	you know, stricter assumptions, you know, when you're developing your next housing element cycle, you may have to permit some of those sites that you identified as being for housing development in this cycle,
01:33:48.32	Sergio	Great administerial approval process for some of those sites in the next housing element cycle.
01:33:52.89	Sergio	You don't necessarily get your housing element decertified if you've completed your program of rezoning.
01:33:59.22	Sergio	but you may be subject to things like
01:34:04.38	Sergio	For example, SB 35 only applies to cities that are not meeting their arena.
01:34:11.10	Sergio	Additionally,
01:34:12.68	Sergio	HCD may
01:34:14.32	Sergio	Take a look at whether or not you are following all of your programs in your housing element besides your rezoning. So there is generally a requirement that you're supposed to work to remove governmental constraints on development.
01:34:24.41	Sergio	So they may ask about some of those issues.
01:34:27.84	Sergio	But yeah, realistically, if you
01:34:31.43	Sergio	adopt a housing element that complies with state housing element law. AC makes a finding that's in substantial compliance
01:34:38.33	Sergio	And as long as you're following through with the programs that you said you were going to do in the housing element,
01:34:42.84	Sergio	You should be good until the next housing element cycle.
01:34:45.52	Mr. St. Clair	right that's really good to know thank you i didn't have that uh that information so thank you uh councilmember hoppen
01:34:55.58	Councilmember Hoffman	Thanks, I had one
01:34:56.96	Councilmember Hoffman	Final question.
01:34:58.48	Councilmember Hoffman	And, and,
01:35:00.15	Councilmember Hoffman	sort of in conjunction with the mayor's question.
01:35:02.26	Councilmember Hoffman	So if we do have a developer who wants to come in and wants to build on a site that we haven't
01:35:07.19	Councilmember Hoffman	rezone that we haven't really looked at.
01:35:10.19	Councilmember Hoffman	but they actually do build on it.
01:35:12.27	Councilmember Hoffman	We received
01:35:14.24	Councilmember Hoffman	the credit for those numbers, correct?
01:35:18.12	Councilmember Hoffman	at the end of the cycle, even though it's not part of our plan, but we would still receive that.
01:35:18.88	Beth Thompson	even though I'm not.
01:35:21.01	Beth Thompson	I'm sorry.
01:35:21.62	Beth Thompson	Yes, all development in the city counts toward your arena, regardless of whether or not it's on a site identified in the housing element.
01:35:21.65	Councilmember Hoffman	Yes.
01:35:28.94	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
01:35:29.09	Mr. St. Clair	Bye.
01:35:29.18	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
01:35:29.21	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
01:35:29.73	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
01:35:29.77	Beth Thompson	Thanks, that's helpful.
01:35:30.53	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
01:35:30.81	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:35:30.85	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
01:35:30.93	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:35:30.95	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
01:35:31.00	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:35:32.52	Mr. St. Clair	Are there other questions here?
01:35:33.90	Mr. St. Clair	Okay. One last question.
01:35:34.53	Melissa Blaustein	One last question. Could you clarify which sites in the housing element are in our historic district as designated by the state of California?
01:35:44.84	Beth Thompson	Sure, let me pull that up. We do have that in ours.
01:35:53.02	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:35:53.04	Mr. St. Clair	Absolutely.
01:35:55.23	Mr. St. Clair	Thanks for bearing with all our questions.
01:35:57.01	Director Phipps	And I believe the answer is site 201 is within the historic district.
01:36:02.37	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, thank you. And that's it.
01:36:03.81	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you for bearing with all our questions. We'll now move to...
01:36:07.42	Mr. St. Clair	Hearing from everyone here in the room, thanks for dealing with the heat. City Clerk, would you kindly call the people in the order that you have them?
01:36:15.92	Mr. St. Clair	And maybe you'd call two people at a time so people know who's next.
01:36:20.81	Mr. St. Clair	minutes.
01:36:22.20	Eva	Linda Fudge, then Adriana Dehanian and Bert Drubness.
01:36:44.85	Council member Hoffman	Just give that to the CDC.
01:36:45.17	Mr. St. Clair	Just give that to the city clerk and he'll give it to us.
01:36:50.53	Council member Hoffman	Is it from Willy's, Linda?
01:36:57.50	Council member Hoffman	Linda, is it from Willie's?
01:37:00.69	Linda Fudge	Thank you.
01:37:00.79	Council member Hoffman	Is the late mail from Willie's?
01:37:02.63	Linda Fudge	Late mail? Yeah. It's actually from me.
01:37:05.80	Linda Fudge	Oh, okay.
01:37:07.74	Council member Kelman	Okay.
01:37:10.33	Linda Fudge	And Linda Fudge, resident of Sausalito.
01:37:13.79	Mr. St. Clair	I'm sorry, Ms. Fetch, can you pull the microphone down and can you reset her time and make sure the microphone works?
01:37:20.25	Linda Fudge	Okay. Hello. Hello.
01:37:21.31	Linda Fudge	Thank you.
01:37:21.33	Mr. St. Clair	Yeah.
01:37:21.50	Linda Fudge	Thank you.
01:37:21.97	Linda Fudge	Thank you.
01:37:22.46	Linda Fudge	I'm Linda Fudge. I'm resident of Sausalito and I won't take a lot of your time but I think you can see by what's happening tonight it would be really good for the city of Sausalito to do more education on housing laws. I think there's a lot of questions even with you and certainly out here.
01:37:41.95	Linda Fudge	Transparency.
01:37:48.36	Linda Fudge	I think we're getting one side of the story here. We're getting what Sausalito says and what Sausalito thinks, but we're not getting what HCD thinks. And I think it's really important that these letters, which I've tacked one on here, that people understand what HCD is saying to Sausalito, how they're responding to you. I think that's really important. The odds.
01:38:13.69	Linda Fudge	the
01:38:16.10	Linda Fudge	Objective standard based on external facts such as laws, rules, or common practices verifiable by both the public and the applicant. I think it's a big stretch to say we're inventing a new system, and it's going to fit into that. I think you open yourself for litigation.
01:38:34.84	Linda Fudge	Um,
01:38:37.84	Linda Fudge	I'm covering all this that's in my letter, so I don't want to duplicate it. But I do think that fair housing, that there should be housing throughout the whole city. And I think that what's been done here to put housing in just the north part of town is not fair. It's not fair to a lot of these people in this room.
01:38:55.56	Linda Fudge	Um,
01:38:59.02	Linda Fudge	The down zoning that that was
01:39:06.76	Linda Fudge	couched as a minor thing by staff, and it's actually over 40%.
01:39:13.97	Linda Fudge	Um,
01:39:16.10	Linda Fudge	I think that people need to know here that you can say whatever you want, but ACD is reviewing this.
01:39:24.74	Mr. St. Clair	THANK YOU.
01:39:24.97	Eva	Thank you.
01:39:25.31	Eva	Right.
01:39:25.41	Linda Fudge	I'm not sure.
01:39:25.48	Eva	Adriana
01:39:29.73	Mr. St. Clair	Adriana? She would prefer to go later. We'll respect that. We'll respect that. Yes, ma'am. Can you just put her name at the bottom of the stack?
01:39:39.45	Mr. St. Clair	just put her name at the bottom of the stack. Thank you very much, Sir Sigurd.
01:39:44.53	Mr. St. Clair	Well, you can go now or at the end. I mean...
01:39:49.44	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, let's move on to the next speaker.
01:39:51.35	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
01:39:51.36	SPEAKER_28	Yeah.
01:39:52.66	Mr. St. Clair	Please come to the microphone. Your time is right now. Thank you.
01:39:58.69	SPEAKER_28	Hi, I'm Adriana Denehanian. I live on Woodward Avenue, which is not adjacent to Martin Luther King Park, but I am still speaking about the park because I am there almost every morning as a pickleball player.
01:40:13.91	SPEAKER_28	I just want to show you what I see from my perspective. And from my perspective, the Martin Luther King Park is a city jewel, and it should not have any residential stuff built on it because there is a huge amount of people that use that park.
01:40:34.35	SPEAKER_28	See ya.
01:40:35.36	SPEAKER_28	A lot of them have cars. A lot of them make a lot of noise, like the pickleball courts and the tennis courts. But I can list what goes on there in the morning. And if you don't go to Martin Luther King Park during the day in the morning...
01:40:52.77	SPEAKER_28	You have no idea what an amazing community center it is. There are people that walk their dogs. There are Zumba classes. There's the pickleball courts, totally 25 people at least. There's the tennis courts. There's on the weekend, there's soccer games, not just one, but like four.
01:41:16.43	SPEAKER_28	two or three at a time. There's lacrosse players. There's children, especially during the weekday that come out of those classrooms. And
01:41:26.49	SPEAKER_28	all these people with the exception of the children,
01:41:30.30	SPEAKER_28	and maybe the dog walkers.
01:41:32.72	SPEAKER_28	and a lot of dog workers do drive in. Drive in. Where are we going to park if all the parking lot is gone? Where are these people on the weekend going to park if the street is just full of parking and they can't play their soccer games? Plus, there's a lot of noise that goes on there. The pickleball makes a lot of noise. The loud Zumba classes. I just talked to some neighbors. They hear it.
01:42:00.14	Eva	Thank you, man.
01:42:01.10	SPEAKER_28	Thank you.
01:42:01.12	Vicki Nichols	Thank you.
01:42:01.39	SPEAKER_28	Thank you.
01:42:02.31	Eva	Bert Ravnish.
01:42:07.34	Bert Drobnis	Good evening, counsel.
01:42:08.39	Bert Drobnis	My name is Bert Drobnis. My wife and I have lived in this town for 42 years.
01:42:13.40	Bert Drobnis	Nobody wants the 724 units. However, it's being forced upon us. And what I hear and what I've listened to from the people here and from the council is
01:42:24.79	Bert Drobnis	is we want it to be evenly distributed. Right now, it appears that the vast majority of the units being discussed are being discussed in North Sausalito, where I lived.
01:42:38.83	Bert Drobnis	It is very crowded to begin with. So please look at the numbers and evenly divide it.
01:42:45.92	Bert Drobnis	If one in three, Olima, the private person you were just referring to, wants to develop it, and I heard the number 129, okay, which could be available.
01:42:57.31	Bert Drobnis	All right. That would eliminate what's being proposed for the Martin Luther King area.
01:43:02.39	Bert Drobnis	And if I'm not correct, in reading Ordinance 1128, Section 11.1 and 11.2, you're going to need to have a vote by the residents of the town in order to determine what goes there.
01:43:16.28	Bert Drobnis	All right. My other comment is
01:43:18.91	Bert Drobnis	And living in this town for 42 years,
01:43:21.74	Bert Drobnis	It's amazing how little downtown has really changed in that period. And to put a four-story, seven-story, whatever story in the historic district is preposterous. And I urge the city to reject that project. Lastly, what I'd like to say is,
01:43:42.16	Bert Drobnis	And I could be wrong, but what I've heard
01:43:44.46	Bert Drobnis	is that HCD
01:43:45.94	Bert Drobnis	has included.
01:43:47.43	Bert Drobnis	the Golden Gate Recreation Area.
01:43:49.61	Bert Drobnis	as part of Sausalito.
01:43:51.97	Bert Drobnis	This is wrong.
01:43:53.56	Bert Drobnis	I urge the city council to take whatever means necessary
01:43:58.25	Bert Drobnis	to have this corrected.
01:44:00.20	Bert Drobnis	and have that area taken out of the mandate, which would reduce the 724 to whatever number, I don't know. But please, please.
01:44:13.06	Bert Drobnis	Thank you.
01:44:13.08	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
01:44:13.10	Bert Drobnis	Thank you.
01:44:13.43	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
01:44:15.56	Eva	We have Mark Coleman, followed by Tuli Friedman and Robert Mashala.
01:44:24.98	Eva	Mark Cohen, yeah.
01:44:33.38	Mark Cohen	Hard to follow that. Greetings, council members and folks. So this has been very informative, this meeting. I've got some questions. I'm not quite sure where to go with them. One is who decides on the density per acre of a particular lot?
01:44:48.74	Mark Cohen	And is there any recourse against that ruling?
01:44:52.82	Mark Cohen	Can it be challenged?
01:44:54.52	Mark Cohen	It seems like so much of the housing proposal
01:44:56.78	Mark Cohen	is benefiting developers.
01:44:58.74	Mark Cohen	not the community.
01:45:00.13	Mark Cohen	not residents.
01:45:02.44	Mark Cohen	Um,
01:45:04.09	Mark Cohen	One of the lots is going to be proposed in front of our house. So we're very concerned about the size restrictions.
01:45:11.57	Mark Cohen	but it only affects a couple of people. We don't live in an area where
01:45:15.47	Mark Cohen	you know, whether it's a marineship or
01:45:17.63	Mark Cohen	MLK, whether it can be, you know, a big
01:45:20.38	Mark Cohen	you know,
01:45:21.09	Mark Cohen	group of people protesting
01:45:22.91	Mark Cohen	So how do we protect
01:45:24.65	Mark Cohen	Small.
01:45:26.23	Mark Cohen	neighborhoods
01:45:28.26	Mark Cohen	the odd, you know, house or two where their value, their
01:45:32.98	Mark Cohen	neighborhood is going to be severely impacted by these developments.
01:45:37.81	Mark Cohen	And then just lastly, um,
01:45:42.04	Mark Cohen	you know, be curious to know where
01:45:44.07	Mark Cohen	we can have more input like this. I feel like a lot of this information has been
01:45:50.84	Mark Cohen	Um,
01:45:52.10	Mark Cohen	not exactly behind closed doors,
01:45:54.18	Mark Cohen	But it's been hard for us from
01:45:56.51	Mark Cohen	the public to really understand
01:45:58.95	Mark Cohen	the process.
01:46:00.02	Mark Cohen	It's been helpful to hear how
01:46:02.53	Mark Cohen	this state is kind of putting a stranglehold
01:46:05.45	Mark Cohen	over cities and your hands are mostly tied
01:46:08.77	Mark Cohen	um,
01:46:09.82	Mark Cohen	And yet, we still have to protect residents and the integrity of this community and
01:46:18.38	Mark Cohen	Yeah, I wish I had better solutions, and I hope you can find some too. Thank you, Mr. Colvin. Thank you.
01:46:25.14	Mr. St. Clair	Who's next?
01:46:25.61	Eva	Thank you.
01:46:25.73	Mark Cohen	Thanks for your work. Thank you. Thank you.
01:46:25.75	Eva	Thanks for your work.
01:46:26.93	Eva	Thank you.
01:46:27.59	Mr. St. Clair	um,
01:46:28.52	Eva	followed by Robert Machina.
01:46:34.39	Eva	Robert Mashalat
01:46:41.49	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
01:46:41.53	Eva	Thank you.
01:46:41.71	Mr. St. Clair	Maybe name the next three people.
01:46:41.97	Eva	Maybe.
01:46:43.84	Eva	All right, then next three people are Derek Bentley, Adriana Bentley.
01:46:50.71	Eva	And Stacy Nemo.
01:46:59.05	SPEAKER_01	How you doing? My name is Derek Bentley. I'm born and raised in Sausalito, grew up around here. I started on Olima and then luckily got a house on Coloma.
01:47:07.92	SPEAKER_01	born and raised in that park.
01:47:09.68	SPEAKER_01	But I recently did a remodel and
01:47:12.76	SPEAKER_01	I discovered there's the hundred year flood on our block that I have to keep a maintain a ditch in my backyard. And during my whole building process, I had to deal with nightmare after nightmare about the hundred year flood. Then when I was building my driveway, I dug three feet down and hit Bay water.
01:47:28.93	SPEAKER_01	And I'm wondering how you're going to go three, four stories high when me putting four poles into the ground took six civil engineers coming to my house, 30 bags of concrete, and you guys arguing with me for a week about how long that concrete would dry. One guy gave me an estimate of 10 years.
01:47:47.32	SPEAKER_01	And so if you guys are telling me you're going to build three stories in front of my house and you're telling me four poles take 10 years,
01:47:54.38	SPEAKER_01	I just don't see where this project is even feasible, especially if you're talking 70 plus units and expanding it into the parking lot.
01:48:00.96	SPEAKER_01	Then if we're talking about my weekends,
01:48:03.90	SPEAKER_01	I have Whiskey Springs people parking on one side. I got the soccer people parking on the other side. And me and my neighbors that are here, we're always looking for parking on the street because we can't just park everything into the driveway. And I love that the community is packed. I love that we have a neighborhood. I love that I can walk up and down my street. We've already lost one neighbor. And that neighbor was the one that was here saying, yeah, build, go for it. She sold her house two months later.
01:48:27.15	SPEAKER_01	So my problem is we're talking about this huge development. My mom is born and raised in Sausalito. I'm second generation here. I can pull out photos of every
01:48:36.77	SPEAKER_01	development on the hillside. None of it's a single family home.
01:48:41.36	SPEAKER_01	It's all high residential. And then the last development you guys built next to my house was high residential for the senior citizens, which I love them. They're great.
01:48:49.07	SPEAKER_01	But if everything you're building in my house is high residential and I don't see anything on the other side, I can't help but feel picked on by the city of Sausalito.
01:48:57.51	SPEAKER_01	I mean, I try to build a house. You guys pick on me.
01:49:00.43	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you, sir. Thank you.
01:49:02.00	Eva	Adriana Bentley.
01:49:12.85	SPEAKER_10	Hi, everybody. Thank you so much for staying late.
01:49:16.58	SPEAKER_10	listening to us. My name is Adriana Bentley.
01:49:19.11	SPEAKER_10	Derek's wife.
01:49:20.36	SPEAKER_10	So I echo everything that he said. I've also been through all of that heartache of building a home and having
01:49:25.98	SPEAKER_10	just to go through a lot of red tape.
01:49:27.83	SPEAKER_10	Um,
01:49:28.71	SPEAKER_10	I was wondering a couple of things and maybe we can't address them here, but I was wondering if ADU units are taken into account when we're thinking about all of these housings. I don't think I've seen them.
01:49:38.60	SPEAKER_10	anywhere on the map. So I just wanted to raise that and also
01:49:44.59	SPEAKER_10	Wanted to also echo what somebody said about the Golden Gate
01:49:47.91	SPEAKER_10	something or other being counted. And if we could like go back and like fight that fight, it would really be worth it.
01:49:54.46	SPEAKER_10	And, um,
01:49:56.00	SPEAKER_10	Finally, living where I live, like I've heard so much talk about preserving views for people.
01:50:03.20	SPEAKER_10	And I know
01:50:04.81	SPEAKER_10	I don't have a $3 million home.
01:50:08.30	SPEAKER_10	But I walk out of my home and guess what my view is going to be? It's not going to be preserved. I'll tell you that. It's going to be a building.
01:50:14.57	SPEAKER_10	So when we talk about preserving views, let's also think about people who are not in the hills, who do not have very expensive, like 3 million. I mean, our homes are expensive, but they're not $3 million expensive or $5 million expensive. Let's think about us. I also feel like we were being picked on
01:50:31.64	SPEAKER_10	Um,
01:50:32.60	SPEAKER_10	So there's that. And then I also wanted to say about the parking, which we've also talked about on the weekends. It is bananas there. There are so many soccer teams.
01:50:43.58	SPEAKER_10	games and
01:50:44.88	SPEAKER_10	I can't even park.
01:50:46.82	SPEAKER_10	on my street. I have to drive around and look for parking. So, you know, I just worry that adding more housing will just exasperate that situation. Thank you so much.
01:50:58.42	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
01:51:03.12	Eva	They see Nemo followed by Jennifer Nemo and Justine
01:51:07.75	Mr. St. Clair	Yeah, if you'd kindly just move things along and come up in threes as the city clerk names everyone.
01:51:13.96	Stacey Nemo	Hi, I'm Stacy Nimmo.
01:51:15.43	Stacey Nemo	Thank you.
01:51:15.46	Stacey Nemo	I've been in Sausalito for about 20 years. I've served on boards here, commissions here. I've been pretty involved in the community. And recently I found out that there was a plan to build an MLK Park. It's right next to my house. I've also had a studio in Marinship. So I'm very familiar with both pieces of property. And I thought they would never build in MLK. I didn't think it would fall. It really happened. But it seems like it may really happen. So I looked into this and I found that 45 sites were already removed when and they gradually applied more sites into northern Sausalito.
01:51:47.40	Stacey Nemo	Now, when Beth was talking about why this happened, she said, because the process removal had to be more sensitive to the community. That was the first thing she said. Does not seem like that's being applied equally throughout Sausalito.
01:52:03.71	Stacey Nemo	She also said later that it was views and historic, again, not applied throughout Sausalito.
01:52:09.68	Stacey Nemo	So when we come in through into Sausalito, we see from the north side of town, we see that welcome to historic Sausalito, the building in MLK that they want to build on is a historic building in the state historic register.
01:52:23.59	Stacey Nemo	So it just doesn't make any sense that they're doing one thing on one side of town and one thing on the other side of town. One of the properties that was removed from the register or removed from the inventory was Marina Plaza, a largely underutilized office park. Marina Plaza was removed due to concerns about noise and pollution on the waterfront. And as someone who lives right next to Highway 101, I would much rather be on the waterfront and not have motorcycles go by at 2 a.m. with their whatever, revving their motorcycles, making a bunch of noise. I think there's going to be noise a lot of places in Sausalito. That's not a deal breaker. And people would love to be on the waterfront. And while the boatyards were protected from development, they were also protected from a chance of being revitalized and brought into compliance. One of the most shocking things about this was the Working Waterfront Coalition, which lobbied to remove the Marina Plaza, never even talked to the property owner, never talked to him about filming, and never talked to him about finding a solution.
01:53:16.96	Eva	Thank you.
01:53:17.75	Eva	Jennifer Nemo followed by Justine Carr.
01:53:22.77	Eva	And Josh Burrells.
01:53:25.25	Unknown	Jennifer Nemo I thank you counsel. I mean, my name is Jennifer Nemo. I have a few concerns I wanted to state. I am concerned about the fact that more than half of the 900 plus realistic units in the housing element plan are now in the northern tip of Sausalito.
01:53:38.98	Unknown	These are also some of the largest parcels, which in my mind are likely to entice developers for those density bonuses.
01:53:45.80	Unknown	amplifying the numbers even greater.
01:53:48.30	Unknown	I am concerned about the fact there's a zone of high wildfire risk around and in MLK Park.
01:53:54.61	Unknown	And what I see is a lack of concern and mitigation strategies for this risk in the EIR report. I also worry about the Marin ship just subsiding into the sea, as it seems no one is ever allowed to do anything different in that area. And Mayor Sobieski, the development agreements that you mentioned I think could be a pivotal thing there in the housing element or outside.
01:54:16.66	Unknown	Um,
01:54:17.74	Unknown	And one question I had coming out of this meeting, which was so informative, thank you for sharing everything you did. I'd like to understand more about how the city thinks it will not be pressured to build on city-owned sites like MLK by the state and developers. I feel like there will be even more pressure, say you have control,
01:54:34.53	Unknown	but we don't have any control here. Thank you.
01:54:37.91	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
01:54:41.82	Mr. St. Clair	Welcome.
01:54:44.02	Unknown	Hi, City Council. My name is Justine and I live on Coloma and Olima Street. I'm concerned about MLK as well. The MLK Park is central to our community. It's the heart of our community. My family bought our home in 2011. And we built our life around it. Our daughter attends the new village school which uses the park every single day.
01:55:08.06	Unknown	and placing a building right next to our school raises safety concerns for me as a mother.
01:55:14.77	Unknown	I also own a business in the Marin ship that would be displaced by the proposed housing development. The land is home to many industrial businesses that are the backbone to Sausalito's local economy. By eliminating these industrial spaces, we risk losing essential businesses that provide jobs and contribute to the unique character of Sausalito.
01:55:35.98	Unknown	As a business owner, I also employ lower income workers
01:55:41.23	Unknown	I have never faced challenges in finding housing for them.
01:55:44.80	Unknown	And I think that it is misplaced how
01:55:49.00	Unknown	The low-income housing is directed at MLK Park specifically.
01:55:54.34	Unknown	I also wanted to say that...
01:55:58.27	Unknown	It feels like the city council is more concerned about complying with the state mandates than protecting the character and future of my specific community inside Sausalito, loading the north end of Sausalito with low income housing at the expense of parks and business spaces that will harm the city in the longterm.
01:56:14.33	Unknown	We need leaders who will look beyond the surface and fight for what's truly best for Sausalito.
01:56:19.56	Unknown	I also second that
01:56:22.33	Unknown	Golden Gate Park should be taken out of the plan. And if it's not,
01:56:28.24	Unknown	then we should build there.
01:56:31.28	Unknown	Thank you.
01:56:31.58	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
01:56:31.63	Unknown	Thank you.
01:56:31.65	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.
01:56:31.70	Unknown	Thank you.
01:56:35.97	Unknown	there if they're gonna
01:56:41.03	Eva	Josh Burroughs followed by Aaron Nathan and Alison Salser.
01:56:46.95	Eva	Thank you.
01:56:47.04	Mr. St. Clair	I'll work.
01:56:47.61	Mr. St. Clair	So it really would help move things along because we have to hear the odds, which is very important here tonight. If when the city clerk calls your name and he's calling up in three, that you all line up, it really will make a difference. So he's called three names. Could the other two people come up and.
01:57:03.24	SPEAKER_22	I'm number two. So I'm Aaron. Thank you for having me today. I am a new resident of Sausalito. We've lived here one year, moved into Coloma Street. We live directly across the street from MLK Park. We had our first child here in Sausalito, and safety is a big concern for us. That's why we moved out of San Francisco. And to be candid, I think that having an enormous complex on our small street will pose a real problem in the event of a natural disaster, which we all know are becoming, unfortunately, more and more common. I unfortunately had to go through a house fire that happened in San Francisco. And I can tell you that you don't have much time to prepare. And if you just look at the traffic on five o'clock going down Bridgeway, you will see that there is no way that you could evacuate what looks to be over about 180 residents that you're proposing to add to Coloma Street. So I want everyone here to consider the real danger that we're bringing into this community. And I think that this is something that's been, frankly, overlooked by the EIR and the report that's available online. So thank you.
01:57:04.23	Mr. St. Clair	Exactly.
01:58:22.28	Eva	Josh Burrows, Alison Salzer, and Jeannie Zlat.
01:58:28.96	Mr. St. Clair	I don't think any of those three are here. All right. So let's go the next.
01:58:32.08	Eva	Let's go John Gavin, Stephen Woodside, and Kathy Rozak.
01:58:39.68	Mr. St. Clair	Mr. Gavin?
01:58:41.50	SPEAKER_23	You want to go ahead?
01:58:41.97	SPEAKER_23	Thank you.
01:58:42.55	Mr. St. Clair	Mr. Gavin, go ahead. Go right ahead, please. It's your time.
01:58:43.42	SPEAKER_23	Yep.
01:58:52.62	SPEAKER_23	We can.
01:58:54.32	SPEAKER_23	First time at this body, thank you for being here. It's very late. I'm just curious of the seven o'clock start. I saw some people leave. Hopefully the next time we have this conversation can be a little bit earlier for some of our older community. But as you can see, people are very dedicated, and they do want to continue having this conversation. But again, appreciate your time for the last three and a half years on this. My concern is really about the.
01:58:55.90	Unknown	Thank you.
01:58:55.96	Unknown	for a second.
01:59:21.31	SPEAKER_23	David Miller- disparity and where you're looking the housing element is looking to have affordable housing it's it it's within about five or six blocks of each other you're potentially having 400 units of very low and low income.
01:59:36.19	SPEAKER_23	That's one issue.
01:59:37.36	SPEAKER_23	The other issue I have is
01:59:39.03	SPEAKER_23	Is it seems like.
01:59:40.44	SPEAKER_23	One community in Sausalito says no to having housing, and then you're looking in the housing element to revise to increase affordable housing in another community. Well, that community says no. And my question to the body here is if in March,
01:59:54.92	SPEAKER_23	Sausalito decides to say no at MLK and wants it to keep it at park only.
01:59:59.70	SPEAKER_23	What happens? I have a child that's three. I want to keep raising that child in the neighborhood. I'm concerned about traffic already on Coloma. Traffic is going to only increase. I understand there's no development in place, but just be a little bit more thoughtful about the density there.
02:00:15.95	SPEAKER_23	And the type of housing. I mean, we haven't even talked about the type of housing. Teacher housing makes a lot of sense. At MLK Academy Nevada, they're building something right now. It's already over budget, and it doesn't seem like housing's even contemplated there.
02:00:31.74	SPEAKER_23	The superintendent of California has said they would put money towards any district in California, any school district in California, to provide housing for teachers and the staff.
02:00:44.54	SPEAKER_23	Why aren't we having that conversation at MLK Nevada more so than the little parking lot in the back? I mean, it's a very large swath of property that we need to-
02:00:54.73	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
02:01:02.37	SPEAKER_05	Good evening, Mayor Sobieski and members of the Council. My name is Steven Woodside. I've appeared before you before on this topic. I wish we could turn the clock back to 2023, because if we could, we might have taken a more aggressive stance to appeal what HCD described as a number. I think if we had not sort of turned the whole analysis over to the consultants, you might have had greater control over your own property.
02:01:29.88	SPEAKER_05	when the planning commission
02:01:32.07	SPEAKER_05	that rather suddenly took many sites out and put some in.
02:01:36.80	SPEAKER_05	critically, it took out the City Hall site. And we're now being informed that because that was not subject to any analysis in this EIR, you'd have to go back over and recirculate, et cetera. So you may lose that opportunity as well. Sadly, I wrote in August 19th suggesting that very thing, that the analysis include all the sites that had been included. So at least we would have done the EIR process. And you might have some flexibility today. But it appears.
02:02:06.84	SPEAKER_05	Very much so that your hands are tied. But I want to say, and finally, thank you for having this tonight. Even though it's late for many of the decisions that may have gone by the wayside,
02:02:17.67	SPEAKER_05	It's a start.
02:02:18.94	SPEAKER_05	And I think you should strongly consider, and I know Vice Mayor Cox has
02:02:23.76	SPEAKER_05	strongly recommended that we consider becoming a charter city where we might have some little chance to stand up for ourselves and say that we should be able to decide on senior housing, worker housing, multifamily housing on our own without having to, well, without having to kowtow to the state. Thank you.
02:02:45.34	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you, Mr. It's like.
02:02:50.41	Mr. St. Clair	Can you throw a check?
02:02:51.10	SPEAKER_11	Hello, I'm Catherine Roszak, and I am for jobs and housing in this community, but I don't think this is the way and I'm very discouraged because I'm concerned.
02:03:01.41	SPEAKER_11	that these developers are in the pockets of the highest people in our state. And I am very concerned about how we're going to overcome these challenges. I want to say that I'm a teacher and an artist, and I give employment and jobs. I live right here in the MLK, but I hire artists in our community, including artists who are going to be paid through a California Arts Council grant to perform at our Sausalito Arts Center. And I'm bringing them locally and also from outside from New York City.
02:03:28.97	SPEAKER_11	And so I am a first-time single woman homeowner, and I bought in the Anchorage. I was very lucky to get a loan.
02:03:35.68	SPEAKER_11	I don't have a 401K. I have my one bedroom condo and its value is critical.
02:03:41.57	SPEAKER_11	So this density and the ugliness of the structure that would be put there
02:03:46.95	SPEAKER_11	The loudness while I'm trying to live there and work in my apartment to feed all these artists and teach all these people is going to not work.
02:03:55.54	SPEAKER_11	even the nails that go in and out of the vehicles, because when you drive back and forth in a construction zone, as we've had, that happens.
02:04:02.26	SPEAKER_11	I don't know how I will sell if I have to with all of this going on. I agree it's unsafe. I agree with all the comments about fires, traffic,
02:04:11.02	SPEAKER_11	disasters that could happen and we can't get out. We're trapped. We cannot get out onto Bridgeway. So let's create jobs and housing in a healthy way. And I beg you to do everything that you can to stop this development because that's what it is. It is not affordable housing. It is development and money going into the pockets of those developers. And let's support seniors, women and families, and let's support the community and the beauty of Sausalito. Thank you.
02:04:40.16	Eva	Michael Rex followed by Arthur Jovara and Fred Moore.
02:04:51.16	Mr. St. Clair	Can you repeat the next two names? I don't see anyone coming.
02:04:52.95	Eva	The next two are Arthur Giovara and Fred Moore.
02:04:57.20	Eva	Go ahead, Mr. Rex.
02:04:58.07	Michael Rex	Thank you.
02:04:58.76	Michael Rex	Hello, I'm Michael Rex, local architect. And I want to suggest six ideas to consider. You should be spreading the units out more. We need more opportunity sites with less density. We need to promote more Senate Bill 9 lot splits and ADUs.
02:05:17.78	Michael Rex	Item two,
02:05:20.22	Michael Rex	is create more publicly owned sites where you can control them. I wouldn't preclude MLK completely. I think smaller density in the right place, we can build some units there.
02:05:32.98	Michael Rex	But the density is proposed absurd.
02:05:35.66	Michael Rex	Item three will be more successful if we collaborate with property owners and developers and be proactive.
02:05:43.48	Michael Rex	We should go to them, not wait till they come to us.
02:05:47.15	Michael Rex	Item four, we need more senior housing, workforce housing, and affordable housing, and that's not what we're getting here.
02:05:54.92	Michael Rex	We're getting very expensive housing. The way to do that is to provide subsidies and to have a fund to buy down development rights. We've proposed that in the past successfully to get smaller buildings.
02:06:08.05	Michael Rex	Item five.
02:06:10.02	Michael Rex	Development agreements are superb.
02:06:12.35	Michael Rex	It creates an incentive for a developer to build smaller because he has a more guarantee of a streamlined approval process. That's probably the best idea.
02:06:21.18	Michael Rex	And the last one, I like the idea that was suggested to have a local group.
02:06:26.07	Michael Rex	provide peer review and negotiating a team
02:06:29.93	Michael Rex	of architects and legal people and even developers and contractors
02:06:34.35	Michael Rex	They should be paid either through development fees or subsidized by the city. Better to pay them than pay attorneys and lawsuits. Thank you.
02:06:48.55	Eva	Arthur Javara, Fred Moore, Jordan Dodds, and Vivian Wall.
02:06:58.10	Arthur Giovara	My name is Arthur Giovara, and I own a property on Bridgeway.
02:06:58.16	Eva	Your name is.
02:07:04.71	Arthur Giovara	599 Bridgeway, the Lincoln Garage. And I noticed tonight that you have decreased the density of the project that is next to me.
02:07:17.84	Arthur Giovara	which is...
02:07:18.95	Arthur Giovara	Project 201.
02:07:21.22	Arthur Giovara	However,
02:07:23.09	Arthur Giovara	I'd like the clarification.
02:07:27.04	Arthur Giovara	that decrease in density
02:07:29.77	Arthur Giovara	doesn't really apply because...
02:07:32.59	Arthur Giovara	the application has been made.
02:07:35.86	Arthur Giovara	So,
02:07:37.16	Arthur Giovara	It's only if she withdraw or the
02:07:40.30	Arthur Giovara	property owners,
02:07:41.77	Arthur Giovara	withdraw that application.
02:07:43.76	Arthur Giovara	Is that correct?
02:07:47.90	Arthur Giovara	She has two applications, 35 and 330. And now you have decreased the density of that lot.
02:08:00.43	Mr. St. Clair	Yeah, I'm sorry it's unsatisfying. We're not able to have a dialogue, but you can email any of us. Pardon me? You can email any of us to get an answer to your question, but we're not in a position to answer the question.
02:08:09.07	Arthur Giovara	Well, you can ask somebody in planning or...
02:08:12.65	Council member Kelman	This is your opportunity for public comment. We're not going to answer questions to you directly here, but we can answer questions later.
02:08:17.71	Arthur Giovara	We'll get to the questions later.
02:08:18.49	Arthur Giovara	You're giving misinformation.
02:08:21.02	Arthur Giovara	The woman said,
02:08:21.98	Council member Kelman	I encourage you to write to us. We'll explain it to you.
02:08:22.02	Arthur Giovara	I encourage you.
02:08:26.73	Eva	Fred Moore.
02:08:27.52	Eva	followed by Jordan Dodds and Vivian Wall.
02:08:30.39	Unknown	Thank you again for all your efforts. I've got so many notes here. I'll probably just try to go through a few of them. Well, it's a suggestion of the process.
02:08:37.42	Unknown	One suggestion is because it's a very complicated issue and it's late at night and it's confusing for, I think, everybody to go through the process, one suggestion might be that the slides that came up earlier that show in the sites and the proposed densities, if those were printed out and posted in the city hall, it might allow people to come through and review and get a better idea of where the sites are going to be in the community so they have a better idea of what to react to. Second, I want to reiterate what was mentioned before. I've been in development for 40 years. Developer agreements, city-owned property, city-private partnerships work the best. They give the city a lot of control. So I would not forego those sites as possibility of reaching the requirements that the state has put on us. I think overall everybody is concerned about the number of units, how they're going to impact the city, so I hope we haven't given up potential legislative solutions to reduce the numbers. I've seen the original appeal to what we did, and it was, in my opinion, sort of weak, so I hope we haven't given up the opportunity to go back and see if there's other opportunities to get this number reduced. The other one that I didn't see during the discussion of the process of height limitations, size of buildings, et cetera, were zoning modifications to the process where we limit the size. A lot of cities have adopted small lot subdivisions in order to increase density on a smaller footprint. I think if we tie in the unit size to some of the density locations, you'll find that you don't need a big of square footage. You can have smaller heights in order to reach the densities you're trying to get. And the last one may be, since these are long study sessions, if you want to have them during the day or on Saturdays where people can come and you guys don't stay here until midnight. Thank you very much.
02:10:24.07	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you, Mr. Moore.
02:10:25.85	Mr. St. Clair	He's next.
02:10:26.42	Eva	Jordan Dodds followed by Vivian Wall.
02:10:29.54	Jordan Dodds	I'm going to read off my iPhone. Thank you, city council. Thank you, city staff. My name is Jordan Dodds. I live in North Sausalito, and I'm okay with more housing. My view is lovely, and I feel pretty blessed to have it. But a big part of that view is blocked by the ICB building. I'm okay with it. I'm not trying to get that taken down.
02:10:49.57	Jordan Dodds	As it relates to the MLK site, I appreciate the council taking the time today to explain the benefits of why city owned land is good option and why it makes sense. I guess my question is, even with that understanding, why do we take away public utilized land when there's ample private land or even underutilized public land available to us?
02:11:08.88	Jordan Dodds	Thank you.
02:11:09.60	Jordan Dodds	I bike with my daughters through many parts of the Marin ship on the way to the cruising club just around town. I see areas that are derelict and I wonder why can't we build something beautiful here housing industrial use that's grandfathered in from the people who are already there. Maybe even a hotel in the north part of town.
02:11:28.44	Jordan Dodds	By the way, if that got built, I would see it in my backyard too, and I'm okay with that.
02:11:33.13	Jordan Dodds	I think like Mayor Sobieski said, it seems like with the development agreements and some collaboration, we could build something really great. Thank you.
02:11:42.83	Melissa Blaustein	And happy birthday, Mr. Dodds.
02:11:46.58	Mr. St. Clair	Billion Wall, Ms. Wall.
02:11:49.48	Mr. St. Clair	Who's next?
02:11:50.73	Vivian Wall	VIVIAN WALL, COUNCIL, MY NAME IS VIVIAN WALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HOSTING THIS. IT'S BEEN EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS OVER MANY YEARS.
02:12:02.44	Vivian Wall	I would welcome, if there was any chance of re-legislating, the question of the DDNRA. And I ask that, one, because our numbers are larger than the numbers required of Tiburon. I just looked those up, number one. And number two, you know, this whole Sacramento initiative started before the pandemic and before COVID.
02:12:27.35	Vivian Wall	the excess of empty office buildings that we have in the county and the empty Northgate Mall that we have. And so maybe there's a chance for more flexibility. I don't know the answer, but I guess I would encourage you to
02:12:42.94	Vivian Wall	um,
02:12:43.73	Vivian Wall	try that route one more time because it just seems like there's a lot of resistance to the large sites here um the second point that i would make is last night there were council members at the uh
02:12:57.59	Vivian Wall	the cruising club, and one of them mentioned the possibility of counting all the boats that we have here that are currently not zoned for people to live on, but whether there was any flexibility in considering that as an option, is we look to get more creative. And then finally, when we look at and speak to laymen here about
02:13:22.71	Vivian Wall	the number of the density per acre, I think it's a lot more helpful to talk about the height of the building. And so to the extent that you send out drawings or plans, I think if you send out drawings that include the 100% developer bonus because,
02:13:43.06	Vivian Wall	I think we have to all assume that if they can build, they will build. And if we can have three-dimensional drawings reflecting that, it would be helpful. Thank you. Thank you.
02:13:57.83	Mr. St. Clair	Learn on you, Lynn.
02:13:58.86	Mr. St. Clair	Could you name the next three people, please? Is this the last one?
02:14:03.43	Eva	Thank you.
02:14:05.81	Mr. St. Clair	Is this the last person in?
02:14:07.09	Eva	Last person, unless somebody gives me a kicker slip.
02:14:10.42	Mr. St. Clair	Mays will go right ahead. Nolan.
02:14:13.74	Unknown	Hello, my name is Lorna Newland. I've been a resident for now almost 31 years. I bought my home in Whiskey Springs.
02:14:21.02	Unknown	And I opened a business 22 years ago. And the last 19 years, I have been a tenant at the MLK bus barn.
02:14:30.47	Unknown	And I found out about this potential 181 unit building on next door and not
02:14:37.03	Unknown	Uh,
02:14:38.11	Unknown	any kind of notice to any of the tenants there. Not all of the tenants are residents, but I've been there for 19 years. I paid my rent on time. When I got the COVID relief of my rent, I paid it all back.
02:14:53.69	Unknown	within a year instead of taking three years to pay it back and there are people who have been there for over 30 years and I don't know what's gonna happen to all of us. I've met Derek. He lives across the street. I've known all I've gotten to know the neighbors across the street. He was not allowed to put on a second story because of height restriction. So it has to do with um
02:15:16.08	Unknown	We are all for affordable housing. Unfortunately, so many of our city workers, or city workers, police, teachers, they commute to Petaluma. I don't know what the answer is, but
02:15:29.21	Unknown	I was told we have to conform to the state law, but there are parts of this law that are not
02:15:36.67	Unknown	valid
02:15:37.95	Unknown	And to have developers come in and maybe have one
02:15:42.67	Angela Garcia	Okay.
02:15:42.79	Angela Garcia	Yeah.
02:15:42.86	Unknown	something that's not even really affordable to do. Anyway, I applaud everybody on city council for doing this. And by the way, this isn't late. Two weeks ago, I was here till 1230 to speak. So I applaud everybody who comes and waits. And by the way, I've been working and watching on Zoom. And I drove down here just now, so I couldn't figure out how to. It's too hard to talk on Zoom. Thank you, ma'am.
02:16:06.91	Angela Garcia	Thank you, Miss Ingo.
02:16:07.55	Unknown	But, um,
02:16:09.17	Unknown	Uh,
02:16:11.92	Unknown	The MLK part, you know, part of it was just thank you very much. Thank you.
02:16:14.48	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you very much. Thank you.
02:16:15.85	Mr. St. Clair	Mr. These are you.
02:16:19.85	Mr. St. Clair	Mr. Merlees, you're up. Mr. Merlees, Craig, you're up.
02:16:31.29	Unknown	Thank you, Mr Mayor members of the Council.
02:16:35.07	Unknown	I've been following this and been involved in different ways for years on this project, and tonight is kind of hitting me like a re-traumatization. The seeming impossible...
02:16:49.65	Unknown	choices that we're being given here are just so to say they're frustrating and they're complex and they're unfair is an understatement.
02:17:01.99	Unknown	We're just going to have to muddle through and work together. This has certainly struck me from the Working Waterfront Coalition in a way that has inspired me to look at collaboration with folks. Because in some sense, we're all in the pot, bubbling away here. And the only people that are making out like bandits are developers who lobbied for this legislation in the first place and put us in impossible positions where it's their way or the highway we have to find a third way and i think between the members of the city council and the organizations that are here tonight people getting organized nothing could be healthier for our democracy and for a better outcome than than what we're we're doing tonight so thank you very much
02:17:51.83	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you, Mr. Merely.
02:17:54.47	Eva	Online, Mr. Seager. We have some speakers online. Do we have anybody else in the house? No? All right. So first speaker we have is Eva, if you can unmute yourself.
02:18:05.74	Unknown	Thanks, this is Eva Cresanti. I lived for many years in Sausalito. My family has been in the area since before the 1906 quake. And I just want to point out that a lot of the discussions here about what will be built are based on things that are very, very rapidly in flux. Somebody did mention what we saw last weekend on news from the southeast.
02:18:34.53	Unknown	That was a one in 1000 year flood event that
02:18:40.25	Unknown	was caused by a storm caused by
02:18:44.60	Unknown	essentially warmer ocean waters. You know, you're right there on the water. You know, I heard someone concerned about having to conform to plans for a, you know, 100-year flood.
02:19:01.46	Unknown	uh,
02:19:02.68	Unknown	none of us have any idea what's about to hit us. Some of the worst flooding in the southeast
02:19:08.95	Unknown	that just occurred happened in places that were on high ground that were never expected to flood. And on top of that, we have a situation right now where we're, you know, all these externalities, all these costs related to the developers you're talking about, those costs may go sky high, not only because of a potential ILA strike, which would severely impact building materials, but also because we're about to engage in an extremely costly war in the Middle East. We're being dragged into this war, and that means higher petrol costs, higher fuel costs, and all of that, of course, will be creating more emissions that are going to cause more ocean warming, which is going to mean more storms. So I think, you know, I mean, you're picking over these details as if everything is in stasis. It's not.
02:20:08.51	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
02:20:12.64	Eva	Next person is Benjamin Dean.
02:20:17.64	Ben Dean	Hey, counsel. My name is Ben. I am a resident here on Olima, basically a property directly across the street. Sorry, I can't be there, but I have sympathy for all of you in that hot room. Listen, I just want to walk through my personal experience. I moved here four years ago. I have a three-year-old son that goes to the Lise, which is the school impacted. And I mean, frankly, I walk through the property every day and use the park at least once a day to walk my dogs. I it's hard to be for this proposal as currently planned. Just give it. every day and use the park at least once a day to walk my dogs. It's hard to be for this proposal as currently planned, just given the fact that the density considered is not only exceeds what you guys have planned throughout other places in the city, but also just what it will do to property values, what it will do to safety issues, what it will do to congestion, let alone the community that really thrives around MLK. I think ultimately, you know, there are some organizations that have popped up recently that I think would love to engage you guys in kind of proactive planning. We're not all against affordable housing. I think we recognize that this is being forced down our throat. Some of the ideas around Golden Gate Park, even though I'm an avid trail runner and would hate to see developments there, I think are not bad ones if you guys could think innovatively or considering the houseboats as potential housing as well. But ultimately I think, listen, let's be more reasonable in what the development ends up looking like. I think we're happy to plan with you what could be kind of conceivable and reasonable given the space allocated. But ultimately, I think we need to push for more equitable distribution of housing throughout the city.
02:21:45.42	Ben Dean	And I'd love to support any council member that's willing to engage in real conversation around this issue. So thank you again. Name's Ben Dean, resident on Olima, if you want to reach out and talk more.
02:21:58.43	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
02:22:00.12	Mr. St. Clair	Mr. City Clerk.
02:22:01.13	Eva	All right, next person is Nicole.
02:22:08.52	Unknown	Hi, thanks so much. My name's Nicole Belfoy and I live in the Willows and obviously a resident of Sausalito's north side of town. And, you know, just kind of as we're going through this,
02:22:20.30	Unknown	I'm just frustrated and it's just sort of how we're overall handling the housing development, especially as it's,
02:22:27.25	Unknown	Now I'm going to be surrounding our home in the Willows with multi-unit projects. You know, I feel like we're talking a lot about protecting views in the historical district, which I can't help but
02:22:39.54	Unknown	um,
02:22:40.84	Unknown	Uh,
02:22:41.71	Unknown	Melissa's comments about kind of what is historical seems like that should be. If we're going to continue to talk about it, we should be.
02:22:48.89	Unknown	zeroed in on the fact that it's not not a huge district in Sausalito. But I mean, basically, it seems like the more affluent hillside areas are just kind of getting a little bit more the the
02:23:05.24	Unknown	not getting as much of an impact. So it feels like we're creating a community of haves and have-nots by pushing affordable housing into the neighborhood here and preserving views and exclusivity for more affluent areas of Sausalito. I don't understand why a park that's used by families, children, senior citizens, open spaces, we don't have that around Sausalito. It's a gem for MLK. You know, we're obviously concerned about safety. We're concerned about a lot, but why would MLK be...
02:23:37.81	Unknown	the one that is unnecessarily having the impact of all of the housing. I'm going to encourage City Council here to
02:23:46.58	Unknown	redistribute and encourage you to be an equal opportunity offender across the whole town, construction noise, traffic nails,
02:23:54.31	Unknown	Nails and tires is huge. Impact all of our property values across all of Sausalito. Impact the community all the way and take away spaces that maybe the other side of town values. If we're saying here, so many of us, MLK is a gem and it's a community space.
02:24:10.76	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
02:24:10.78	Eva	Thank you.
02:24:11.03	Mr. St. Clair	very much.
02:24:13.02	Eva	Let's be good. Peter van Meter.
02:24:19.45	Unknown	Good evening. I'm opposed to the project at 605-613 Bridgeway, but I'm concerned that there may be the public relying on applying Ordinance 1022 to defeating this project.
02:24:32.77	Unknown	I would hate to see this overturned, this reliance overturned on a legal challenge due to an apparent error in the housing element document. Figure 1A showing ordinances 1020 to 1128 restrictions zoning map shows the commercial district as being under the control of 1022. In the city's municipal code section,
02:24:58.35	Unknown	well, it's at Section 10 something or other, the Central Commercial District and Residential Districts are explicitly excluded from being under the jurisdiction of 1022. So that's an error that needs to be addressed and a definitive ruling made. So we cannot rely on that because again, legal challenge could overturn that. Secondly, I was, felt it incredible that the corner of Nevada and Bridgeway
02:25:26.28	Unknown	was not included as an opportunity to cite.
02:25:28.64	Unknown	That's a willow grove that can be connected with the
02:25:31.83	Unknown	corporation yard to provide over two acre housing development site. The use of that site, which is open space attached to the willows, could be an economic benefit to those homeowners and would provide a tremendous housing opportunity.
02:25:45.85	Unknown	And finally, it's not too late to include the Marina Plaza project and the Marinship, a perfect site for housing, back into your plan. Do not rush to have a vote in March if you can get it right by making these corrections. It's time to do this the proper way. There's no reason to have to have that election in March. Do it in November. Add these sites back into the plan. If you have to do an EIR revision, go ahead and do it. Let's get it right. Thank you.
02:26:16.33	Mr. St. Clair	Next speaker, please.
02:26:17.04	Eva	you
02:26:17.21	Mr. St. Clair	you
02:26:18.42	Eva	Bye-bye.
02:26:18.88	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
02:26:18.90	Eva	and
02:26:19.03	Mr. St. Clair	Google.
02:26:22.54	Mr. St. Clair	Ms. McDougall.
02:26:24.25	Beth McDougal	Good evening. Can you hear me?
02:26:25.76	Mr. St. Clair	This weekend, please go right ahead.
02:26:27.23	Beth McDougal	Oh, hooray.
02:26:28.82	Beth McDougal	And I want to just thank my able-bodied helper, Maria, for making sure that I can finally join you.
02:26:34.61	Beth McDougal	So let me just begin by saying that the first three letters that I ever filed against this Standing Council body address the very issues that are
02:26:45.68	Beth McDougal	Now being talked about this evening,
02:26:47.82	Beth McDougal	where I point out
02:26:49.35	Beth McDougal	the ridiculous idea of downsizing our best public parks, both Dunphy and MLK, in favor of increasing density
02:26:59.34	Beth McDougal	And especially during a time when we're looking at bringing in economic sectors that cannot afford to simply pop the money for a yacht or other expensive ways to get out on the water. So having access to the shoreline via Dunphy Park is a unique experience that needs to be preserved.
02:27:15.86	Beth McDougal	Those contiguous lots, including the one that you're hoping to have a high rise development on in the corner.
02:27:21.59	Beth McDougal	has got to go. All of that was intended to be part of Dunphy Park.
02:27:26.06	Beth McDougal	That was something that was done over 10 years ago.
02:27:28.89	Beth McDougal	And nobody has yet been able to clarify why most of it went south.
02:27:33.01	Beth McDougal	and the people who bought the properties now have got their own notorious story to tell about it and if you want to know who's really in charge of the housing element we all know that the metropolitan transportation commission absorbed the association of bay area governments so the
02:27:49.14	Beth McDougal	A bag.
02:27:50.10	Beth McDougal	no longer controls it. It's MTC, and their housing element contract languages
02:27:55.71	Beth McDougal	far more punitive.
02:27:57.34	Beth McDougal	and difficult to work with.
02:27:58.85	Beth McDougal	than what we've been seeing so far. And finally,
02:28:01.33	Beth McDougal	This daylighting.
02:28:02.74	Beth McDougal	issue. I totally agree with what's being said here tonight. We should not be made to the last minute to hear the ideas. All of this should be a matter of public record. We should have been chewing on this stuff for the last year or more. And why you have deliberately kept it from the citizens is beyond me. And for that reason, I give Linda Fotch a tip of my hat. She's the only one playing by the rules by tendering development plans at all. Thank you.
02:28:29.32	Eva	Next speaker is John.
02:28:34.32	Unknown	Can you hear me?
02:28:35.74	Mr. St. Clair	Yeah, let's go right ahead.
02:28:36.85	Unknown	John DeRay, M.D.: Thank you. This is John DeRay. John DeRay, M.D.: I was a member of GPAC a number of years ago, and I followed the housing element very closely. I'm also a member of the Working Waterfront Coalition.
02:28:48.64	Unknown	I'm actually the one who identified that the GGNRA land was being used in Sausalito's calculation and told city council members then unfortunately they were unable to make some changes.
02:28:59.85	Unknown	based on that with their lawsuit.
02:29:03.46	Unknown	I live on Nevada Street adjacent to the corporation yard.
02:29:07.49	Unknown	uh where uh my understanding is there's a quite a dense uh development happening there i support that development
02:29:15.17	Unknown	because my understanding is it's targeted to be affordable senior.
02:29:20.98	Unknown	apartments.
02:29:22.97	Unknown	I understand north Sausalito is currently less dense than the southern part of Sausalito, so I understand that there's some capacity. For MLK, I think, so we moved from 80 to 94 units. Hopefully we can move back to 80 and perhaps less than 80 if some of these units can be moved across Bridgeway in those parking lots that are currently already listed in the plan.
02:29:46.96	Unknown	Um,
02:29:47.71	Unknown	These parking lot areas do not interfere with the current industrial users there.
02:29:52.90	Unknown	I will say that it's really unfortunate that signs around my neighborhood
02:29:59.50	Unknown	kept saying 181 units and some of the renderings were very ugly, I think that really stoked some panic.
02:30:07.85	Unknown	When I think about affordable units, I always think about seniors.
02:30:11.50	Unknown	I also want to mention that I took a look at the rotary housing on Olima. 22 units on 0.43 acres is 51 units an acre. MLK, 80 units on 1.88 acres is 42 units per acre. So MLK plan would be less than the rotary plan.
02:30:30.86	Unknown	So,
02:30:34.01	Unknown	That's my comment. Thank you.
02:30:36.54	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you, Mr. Dre.
02:30:38.36	Unknown	Thank you.
02:30:38.38	Eva	Do we have any further public speakers?
02:30:41.12	Mr. St. Clair	Are you wishing to make public comment, ma'am?
02:30:41.42	Eva	One more.
02:30:48.15	Mr. St. Clair	Please just come to the podium and introduce yourself and make your comment.
02:30:54.13	SPEAKER_38	Hi. Welcome.
02:30:54.55	Mr. St. Clair	Welcome.
02:30:55.34	SPEAKER_38	Thank you. Introduce yourself. I'm Allison Salzer. I'm a realtor. And I had to step out in.
02:30:55.71	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you. Thank you for your service.
02:31:01.32	Mr. St. Clair	Please go ahead.
02:31:02.40	SPEAKER_38	I'm really calling to talk, coming here to talk about your SB9 program.
02:31:07.71	SPEAKER_38	I've sold multiple lots here in Sausalito. I've sold duplexes here in Sausalito. I currently have an SB9 lot for sale. And with the way the mandate is right now, the way the city ordinance is now planned, people aren't allowed to build more than a 1,200-square-foot home and a 1,200-square-foot ADU. And it's just not sensible, it's not market friendly. I've had so many people interested that we need just to reconfigure the size amounts.
02:31:40.31	SPEAKER_38	Thank you.
02:31:40.38	SPEAKER_38	and just make it more
02:31:42.47	SPEAKER_38	doable for most developers and for people that just want to live there and rent one of the units. And I think that's what we're trying to really do is promote more housing. And if we start small, then we don't have to worry about these huge density projects. So that's my comment.
02:31:57.04	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you very much.
02:31:58.50	Mr. St. Clair	Any other public comment?
02:31:59.70	Mr. St. Clair	None.
02:32:00.11	Mr. St. Clair	All right, we'll close public comment now. Any discussion here on the dice? Who would like to be recognized?
02:32:06.13	Mr. St. Clair	their head
02:32:06.77	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you so much, everybody. Really, really appreciate this. The Housing Element Advisory Committee held its first meeting
02:32:15.02	Councilmember Kelman	October 2021.
02:32:17.14	Councilmember Kelman	So here we are three years later. Really, really appreciate it. I also want to mention I was one of two council members who drafted a 40 plus page appeal to HCD.
02:32:29.57	Councilmember Kelman	covering this and more. If you'd like to see it, email me. I'd love to share it with you. It was very disappointing to have not been further recognized by HCD.
02:32:39.48	Councilmember Kelman	So thank you everybody for the feedback. It's a delight to see so many new faces here. I want to just make some suggestions for staff as we move forward. You probably saw in the hallway, we have some of our sea level rise adaptation of big poster boards. I think we need to update in City Hall. Let's bring back some of the opportunity sites, some of the maps, some of the slides that we didn't, weren't attached to the agenda that the consultant showed. I think everybody should be living and breathing with us. We've done that before when the housing element was meeting.
02:33:10.88	Councilmember Kelman	I also want to comment on the GGNRA issue. So we did go to GGNRA. We were rejected.
02:33:18.22	Councilmember Kelman	You know what? Let's do it again. Let's bring it back up. So if my colleagues agree, I think we got to go fight that battle again. I see no reason why.
02:33:27.66	Councilmember Kelman	So we'll talk offline about raising some publicity around that, but that's low-hanging fruit, and that makes a lot of sense, and that's not pro-con housing. That's just facts.
02:33:38.57	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, the other thing, if everybody knows who our state senator and our assemblymen are, call them. Tell them a couple things. Tell them how you feel about these. Senator Mike McGuire, he's wonderful. He'd love to hear from you. Assembly member Taman Connolly, we'd love to hear from you. Because there's a couple things we've been trying to do. We've been trying to get BCDC to allow us to do more liveaboard. I mean, we're a waterfront community. Why do we not have 200 units on the water? So we need this pressure that we felt tonight, which is a wonderful exchange. Please help us help the community in that fashion.
02:34:11.95	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, so for staff and as we move forward, we didn't see an accounting of the ADUs. We talked about this very closely and specifically as we were moving through the process, but I can't stand here today and tell you how many ADUs are being counted toward these numbers. I think it was a handful of people who said more opportunity sites with less density. I think ADUs are a great opportunity for this community.
02:34:35.22	Councilmember Kelman	And JDU is within the existing footprint of the home. And ADU is a separate unit and they have different size allocations. I think we need to really dig down deep into that and make those numbers public and see what we have. I also want to...
02:34:51.83	Councilmember Kelman	comment on two ideas. And sorry, colleagues, we haven't spoken about this. Altamira, I am curious. Everybody knows where the old Altamira site is, completely other part of town. Are we maxed out there from a density perspective? I don't know. But I think in light of this conversation, we should take a hard look. And I also thought it was helpful to hear some of the numbers, and everybody seems to do their own math, so some of the numbers around how many units would actually go to MLK, but let's look across the street to some of those areas that exist that are currently parking lots and see if we can potentially move some of the units across the street there. So those are just my preliminary thoughts about things that we can take that are political, how you can help us take those political actions, but then also we as council members and staff can work on. I'll start there. I'll also, oh sorry, just mention SB 1037 recently signed into law by Governor Newsom imposes fines of $10,000 to $50,000 a month on cities that don't comply with the housing laws. We are as interested as you are in getting this done and providing more housing.
02:35:59.99	Mr. St. Clair	Who's next?
02:36:02.91	Mr. St. Clair	Anyone want to speak? Are we going to move on?
02:36:06.31	Melissa Blaustein	I'll go, I'll go.
02:36:07.06	Mr. St. Clair	That's my last thing.
02:36:08.19	Melissa Blaustein	Yes, I loved I love Councilmember Kelman's ideas. Thank I in fact do. Thank you. I really appreciate that. I also really want to thank all of the members of the community who came out tonight. Many of you might have been your first time at a city council meeting.
02:36:20.67	Melissa Blaustein	And it's always really invigorating to see new faces show up and have people be engaged. And it really does shift our perspective. So just know that you're being heard and we appreciate you being here. And we certainly heard your call for a different distribution of the sites. And so with that in mind, I would really like, first of all, I just want to make it clear that I would like us to do whatever we can to decrease the density of MLK sites. So as we're taking into account the study session, whether that's the lower number of sites or whatever might be required. And I think we talked about increasing density at a few of the other sites. So I agree with Altamira, potentially at the FedEx site would be helpful. And then I want a more clear understanding of downsizing at each of the sites and have a true assessment of potential density at each. So I would like to look at all of the sites that are being proposed to be shifted and know what the total potential largest number of units could be and what the number is now so that we have a real picture and we can determine what that would look like.
02:37:20.89	Melissa Blaustein	and with that in mind put an emphasis on an understanding of development agreements for some of these properties as we consider what the real numbers are going to be that we put into the um into the housing element definitely would love to see more of an understanding of adus jadus and maximizing sb9 to the best of our capability and understanding what that means for our housing element numbers um
02:37:43.23	Melissa Blaustein	and
02:37:44.53	Melissa Blaustein	And again, just doing a review of the total distribution. And I absolutely agree with going back on the GGNRA piece. And I appreciate Councilmember Kellman bringing that up.
02:37:53.42	Melissa Blaustein	I would love to be able to have more of our BCDC
02:37:57.89	Melissa Blaustein	work be done to potentially see more liveaboards be counted for our numbers and also potentially have more floating homes generally. And then just to go back to some of the specific sites, because I have a few more notes here, if we are going to increase the density at one and three, again, really considering what that means with regards to density at the MLK site, and keeping in mind how important it is that we do have agency with these city-owned sites, I would like to at least work into the study assessment, and I don't know if it means returning it into our EIR, just a deeper understanding of potential within all of the city-owned sites. So that means the Spencer Fire Station and City Hall, as mentioned. And...
02:38:38.21	Melissa Blaustein	And I think that that was it. But again, just really appreciate all of the hard work. And again, thank you to Councilmember Cox and Councilmember Kelman for your years of free hours spent on trying to get us to where we are with the housing element. And it's exciting that as sites come up, more and more folks engage. And we are still, it's still a work in progress. So appreciate, again, everyone's input. And we will continue to work on this and look forward to what the study session will reveal. Thank you.
02:39:05.73	Mr. St. Clair	Who would like to go next?
02:39:08.11	Mr. St. Clair	Mayor Mrakas- That's where Hoffman do you have any comments or vice mayor.
02:39:12.40	Mr. St. Clair	Council Member Hoffman, go right ahead.
02:39:13.78	Councilmember Hoffman	I do, thanks.
02:39:14.99	Councilmember Hoffman	So,
02:39:19.42	Councilmember Hoffman	You know, in keeping with trying to get this housing element done, right, I think the focus
02:39:26.20	Councilmember Hoffman	should be on moving forward with the sites that are already in our, you know, that we've already done the assessment on. And so I, I disagree that I don't think we should go back and look at Spencer and
02:39:39.21	Councilmember Hoffman	City Hall at this time.
02:39:41.10	Councilmember Hoffman	Keep it in mind.
02:39:42.04	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, in a few more years, we're going to start a next housing element. And the more sites that we have in this housing element, we by definition, you can't include them those in the next housing element. So we've got to the point where we have we're pretty far along in our environmental impact review.
02:40:00.40	Councilmember Hoffman	We're adjusting that right now, but I don't want to have any further delays because I do think that we need to get this housing element finished and we need to move on and start looking to the future and actually getting some of these sites moving to the extent that we can with regard to development.
02:40:18.29	Councilmember Hoffman	I want to thank everybody again for engaging in this and talking with us about it.
02:40:24.82	Councilmember Hoffman	I don't live on the far north side of town, but I live on
02:40:27.44	Councilmember Hoffman	the mid north side of town. So the comments of pushing development, especially high development into certain areas resonates
02:40:35.23	Councilmember Hoffman	with me and I think with all of us actually, we've worked really hard to spread development throughout Sausalito. I think,
02:40:42.93	Councilmember Hoffman	You know, if we can decrease some of the numbers at the MLK site,
02:40:47.23	Councilmember Hoffman	in keeping with knowing that
02:40:49.93	Councilmember Hoffman	with density bonus, we might be able to plus them up, but putting a ceiling on that, so that the horrific numbers that have been sort of bandied about, we have some protection against those. I think it's never too early to start working with the neighbors and working through what we would want and what those sites to look like, especially on the sites that we own. So with regard to the MLK site,
02:41:17.08	Councilmember Hoffman	certainly and with regard to the corporation yard and working with the Willows I think is a great idea in keeping also
02:41:24.81	Councilmember Hoffman	the efforts to daylight the Willow Creek.
02:41:26.89	Councilmember Hoffman	area.
02:41:28.10	Councilmember Hoffman	and making sure that that remains open and working with the other people that live around there.
02:41:34.62	Councilmember Hoffman	I think we can do that with our own sites and it's much easier to do with our own sites. I think we should do that.
02:41:40.14	Councilmember Hoffman	I'm trying to remember, you know, when the last time we had
02:41:43.73	Councilmember Hoffman	a development agreement in Sausalito successfully. We've tried that in the past.
02:41:48.62	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, principally I'm not against that, but I just know that it becomes very complicated. And
02:41:56.54	Councilmember Hoffman	You know, and sometimes it slows the process down rather than just encouraging proposals from a developer. So I'm not saying no to that. I'm just saying I don't want us to slow down with that. I don't think at this time that we need another architects group. I think that if we have a plan and
02:42:14.56	Councilmember Hoffman	and we deny it.
02:42:16.53	Councilmember Hoffman	and it somebody sues us for it the experts that we need with regard to defending that lawsuit are very specific to each lawsuit so i don't want to add another layer um onto developers who want to build in Sausalito i think we should be as free as we can on that and get get project started frankly and streamlining some of the projects that are you know um
02:42:40.48	Councilmember Hoffman	have the least amount of objections to them. So that's my input at this point.
02:42:45.61	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
02:42:47.40	Mr. St. Clair	I guess I'll go next and give the last word to the vice mayor who's been working so hard on this. I support former mayor, my colleague, council member Kalman's
02:42:57.71	Mr. St. Clair	idea of you know trying again to reduce arena number if we can in some way by getting the state to not count the
02:43:04.58	Mr. St. Clair	open space that's on the other side of the freeway as part of our denominator in our land area then more power to us so
02:43:11.21	Mr. St. Clair	If that's a direction to the city attorney, I'm all in for trying that.
02:43:16.96	Mr. St. Clair	That would be great. So let's try to do that.
02:43:20.95	Mr. St. Clair	you
02:43:21.98	Mr. St. Clair	A lot of things have been said here tonight, but I think the one thing I would like to nudge forward and to continue to nudge forward, I...
02:43:30.18	Mr. St. Clair	I know that this legal process is defined by the law. It has to be met.
02:43:35.59	Mr. St. Clair	Three and a half years ago, I voted against the...
02:43:39.24	Mr. St. Clair	Beth Thompson, not because I didn't like her, I just didn't think that we should spend all our money on the legal process I advocated without knowing what it was called, something that would be called the community development agreement process that's a parallel process that would do kind of what Vivian Wall asked for, for this process, which we can't do.
02:43:57.63	Mr. St. Clair	kind of mock-ups of what might be built on these various properties. But that's like literally not what the zoning change process with these density bonus requirements allows us to do, because we actually, we're not designing the building. We're allowing developers to build things under the state law, within certain rules. And whether they make their buildings of bright aluminum or
02:44:22.86	Mr. St. Clair	all glass or wood shingle, it's kind of up to them.
02:44:27.08	Mr. St. Clair	And so
02:44:28.97	Mr. St. Clair	The community development agreement approach would be a burden on the city. We'd have to pay for an architect, urban planner, circulation expert. But it would be a sort of master planning, for lack of a better word, of our community, where we're actually helping...
02:44:43.79	Mr. St. Clair	actually meet the state mandates in part with designs that fit the sites. Not just picking sites to spread them out, but actually picking what goes on the sites. And part of that, of course, is an economic, it has to work for the developer. So there'd be some analysis. So.
02:44:58.18	Mr. St. Clair	You know, I don't pretend.
02:44:59.40	Mr. St. Clair	to have all those answers, but I do know that next we're going to hear
02:45:03.14	Mr. St. Clair	an amazing piece of innovation that's grassroots.
02:45:06.74	Mr. St. Clair	from SOS, Save Our Sausalito, about view ordinances. It's a piece of innovation. Didn't come from city council. Didn't come from city staff.
02:45:15.14	Mr. St. Clair	It came from the creativity of the community in this place. And I would just love to advocate for us to cooperate with direct staff to, and we have lots of attorneys in both staff and on the council to help figure out how to make a parallel path using this tool to help, if not in this housing cycle, the next one.
02:45:38.29	Mr. St. Clair	because it will surely be an effort. It will surely be an issue for many years to come. Those are my thoughts. Vice Mayor.
02:45:47.07	Council member Kelman	Thank you, Mayor.
02:45:49.55	Council member Kelman	First, I'll say I am the only council member who actually lives above MLK. My backyard looks right down on top of the roof of the New Village School. And so I'm very aware of some of the issues raised by Adriana Duhanian and others about noise and parking and
02:46:11.32	Council member Kelman	congestion,
02:46:12.38	Council member Kelman	um,
02:46:13.41	Council member Kelman	but I am someone who advocated for putting some development on every city owned property that we can because we can control what happens there.
02:46:27.91	Council member Kelman	There was a question, Councilmember Hoffman said, when was our last development agreement? I think the closest thing we had to a development agreement was our agreement for the Valhalla former site, which was a planned unit development in which we negotiated various concessions with the landowner for what's now a beautiful development that includes condos and is possibly going to become a hotel.
02:46:51.55	Council member Kelman	We were also in the process of negotiating a development agreement with Bridgeway Marina.
02:46:56.02	Council member Kelman	we had a letter of intent that was going to become a development agreement. It's such an amazingly useful tool. It takes time, and we can't count units identified within a development agreement until we
02:47:10.99	Council member Kelman	um, a,
02:47:12.66	Council member Kelman	you know, adopt the development agreement and carry out the requirements of the development agreement, like zoning changes, et cetera. So it's a great tool. I think we should definitely embark on that.
02:47:24.33	Council member Kelman	for some of our more challenging properties as a parallel process. And then we can always update the housing element to reflect the addition of those properties.
02:47:35.67	Council member Kelman	Um,
02:47:37.57	Council member Kelman	I want to be clear that when we added the MLK site to our housing element and when we adopted it in the beginning of 2023, we were very clear that it would not affect the park. It would not affect the dog park. We would preserve the tennis courts. We would preserve the pickleball courts. We would preserve the basketball court.
02:47:57.56	Council member Kelman	I would like to see city staff as part of our putting together a ballot initiative, help us with some renderings of what development at the MLK site might look like that we can share with neighbors who will ultimately end up voting on a ballot initiative.
02:48:17.36	Council member Kelman	I do not favor postponing the ballot initiative. If we don't pass something in March, we then still have November to take another stab at it. But we have a deadline of the end of next year to update our zoning ordinance, or we are not in compliance with housing element rules. And so I really want us to continue to march smartly forward to advance and meet the deadlines. That being said, I also do support reducing the density at the MLK site. No one on the Council told staff to increase it from 80 to 94. That was a decision made by our consultant.
02:49:02.11	Council member Kelman	I would like to see it reduced below 80 if we can. And I agree and endorse the suggestions that we see about increasing some of the density at parking lots elsewhere where the impacts to residents are less.
02:49:22.04	Council member Kelman	I would like to see us reach out to the superintendent of schools and other resources to identify funding for housing on the Nevada Street school site. That's owned by the school district, so we don't get to...
02:49:34.69	Council member Kelman	say how it will be developed, but if they put housing there, we get to count it towards our RENA number, so I would like to do that. I support Council Member Kellman's suggestion that we go back to BCDC. We went to BCDC in 2018 and asked them to allow us to have more liveaboards. Right now, we're confined to 10% per marina. We'd like to have 15%. We have 2,000 slips in Sausalito. So going from 10% per marina. We'd like to have 15%. We have 2,000 slips in Sausalito. So going from 10% to 15% gives us another 100 potential slips.
02:50:08.23	Council member Kelman	affordable units of housing and people love living on their liveaboards i would also like to see houseboats uh approved i'd like to see another galilee harbor we already have that in our housing element as a as a potential um the next time staff comes to us i'd like to see an accounting of the jadus and adus which are a an element already existing in our housing element. We just need to communicate better to the community about that. We really have adopted a myriad strategy.
02:50:41.30	Council member Kelman	Okay.
02:50:44.47	Council member Kelman	I do favor studying the addition of Spencer Avenue firehouse and City Hall. We won't be able to do it by the end of this year, probably, because we haven't studied the environmental impact, but I would like city staff to embark on a study of what that would look like so that we can consider it in the future, so that we do spread housing more equitably throughout town and we do
02:51:10.66	Council member Kelman	focus on housing on city-owned properties where we can control the development and ensure that we have the proper appearance and the proper occupancy.
02:51:24.38	Council member Kelman	We had numerous study sessions as part of developing both the general plan and the housing element. It sounds to me like maybe we should have another one.
02:51:32.28	Council member Kelman	as we're moving forward with proposed amendments, because the interest here has been phenomenal. The people that Council Member Blaustein and I spoke with on Sunday are really engaged, really interested, have very creative ideas, and so I think outreach to the community continues to be an important aspect of what we do. And that concludes my comments. Thank you.
02:51:56.21	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, I think that's a wrap on this topic. Thanks to everyone for being here this evening.
02:52:01.22	Mr. St. Clair	And we will take a five-minute bio break. And thank you indeed for your engagement. Stay engaged.
02:52:07.48	Mr. St. Clair	It is a community.
02:52:08.07	Director Phipps	Additional chances to take a bite at the amended housing element, Apple. Three meetings that are upcoming where they will be able to attend and we would welcome them. October 23, Planning Commission study session. November 13, Planning Commission public hearing. December 3, City Council public hearing.
02:52:25.23	Director Phipps	Thank you.
02:52:25.27	Mr. St. Clair	THANK YOU.
02:52:25.35	Director Phipps	Look forward to seeing you.
02:52:25.37	Mr. St. Clair	Look forward to
02:52:25.98	Mr. St. Clair	there. Thank you very much, Director Phipps.
02:52:27.97	Mr. St. Clair	We'll return at 10 minutes.
02:52:30.13	Councilmember Kelman	Director Phipps, Brandon, request, can you make sure that council receives copies of the materials that are provided to the Planning Commission, at least the subcommittee?
02:52:40.42	Councilmember Kelman	Everybody? Okay. Yeah.
02:52:42.16	Mr. St. Clair	yeah thank you he both not heads on we'll be back in five minutes five minutes past ten
02:52:47.83	Director Phipps	Yes. All right. Hello again. Set? Okay. Mayor, vice mayor, council members, members of the public and staff. I'm still happy to be here now, too. Item 5B is related to more robust objective development design standards. So State of California has adopted or amended several housing laws which generally limit development review authority of local governments to the use of discretionary or subjective review standards, typically associated with design review.
02:53:13.90	Director Phipps	Recognizing that the city lacks objective development review criteria to regulate more intricate matters, such as the building design and potential view preservation concerns associated with new development, the city council directed that staff engage with consultants and the planning commission to develop more comprehensive objective development and design standards. We did go through a public process to retain Robert Brown and Optico's design, Inc., due to their experience in working with other Marin County jurisdictions, particularly on the development of the Marin County Odds Toolkit.
02:53:46.66	Director Phipps	Following collaboration with our consultants and the Planning Commission and the subcommittee in conducting a series of study sessions with the Historic Preservation Commission and Council, among other bodies, we ultimately developed a draft odds for new multifamily and mixed-use development that was presented to City Council at a study session in March of this year. Based on substantial counsel and public feedback, the Council directed that a peer-review group of local professionals, including architects and historic preservationists be created in order to conduct additional evaluation on the draft odds and recommend potential revisions to both staff and the City Council.
02:54:26.40	Director Phipps	The peer review group really has done a substantial overhaul of the odds, working in collaboration with staff and our consultants, improving and simplifying a significant portion of the document while providing a framework for objective historic and view preservation regulations. While there does remain some work to be done to finalize this effort, the peer review group accomplished a tremendous amount in a limited time in consideration of the time-sensitive nature of the city's rezoning program and in response to council direction. Before handing it over to Bob Brown to provide more detail on the amended odds, I'd like to recognize the amazing efforts of each member of the odds peer review group.
02:55:01.83	Director Phipps	Thank you.
02:55:02.98	Director Phipps	Vice Mayor Cox, Council Member Kelman, our City Council and City Council Housing Working Group members. Thank you to our appointed officials, Historic Preservation Commission, Vice Chair Vicki Nichols, and Planning Commissioner David Merlot. Thank you to Sophia Collier.
02:55:17.42	Director Phipps	An invaluable member of the peer review group who has been instrumental in the development of the proposed objective view standards. You will hear more about that later this evening. And thank you to all other members of the peer review group. Michael Rex, Mary Griffin, Stephen Woodside, Barbara Brown, Ed Brickman, Connor Turnbull, and David Kornmeier. Thank you all for your work and your commitment to the city. It's been a pleasure to work with you all. And with that said, Bob Brown, the floor is yours. Thank you very much, council. And I am available to answer questions now or following Bob's presentation.
02:55:50.15	Council member Kelman	Can I ask one? So again, Brandon.
02:55:53.23	Council member Kelman	Tonight is a study session.
02:55:55.11	Council member Kelman	We are not making decisions tonight. We're hearing information, giving direction. Then it goes to the Planning Commission. Then it comes back to us for a decision. Absolutely, Vice Mayor. Just so that everyone is clear on the process.
02:56:03.78	Director Phipps	Absolutely, Vice Mayor.
02:56:05.98	Director Phipps	Yeah, so the bites at the apple that I outlined earlier related to the three upcoming public meetings are the same for this process. So and I will we can speak to those again later.
02:56:18.31	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
02:56:18.67	Bob Brown	Thank you.
02:56:20.60	Bob Brown	Thank you so much, Director Phipps. And you've covered a few of my slides, so we can probably move through a couple of the introductory slides. Next, please.
02:56:28.11	Bob Brown	So very briefly, I will cover some of the changes that have occurred since you saw the last draft in March. And they've been, as Director Phipps said, pretty substantive. And then I'll just give a little bit of a high-level summary of some of the components of the draft odds. And then we can talk next steps. Next, please.
02:56:48.45	Bob Brown	I won't go through why we're doing this. The director covered that. Next, please.
02:56:54.19	Bob Brown	And again, the process was also covered, so let's go next.
02:56:59.81	Bob Brown	Okay, so again, the major changes that have been recommended by the peer review group, again, they're pretty numerous. One very important one, they eliminated the odds zones. So these were sort of like parallel zoning districts that were in the odds. And the review committee said no.
02:57:19.42	Bob Brown	We'll just refer to what we currently have in the zoning code, and these are the regulations for height and setbacks, floor air ratios, and site coverage. So those will be referenced in the current zoning code and not in the odds, which took out quite a substantial portion of the document. Next, they reviewed and recommended reducing the allowable building types. There were previously 11. Now there are four. Again, a lot of the document is gone as a result. And they also proposed reducing the number of allowable frontage types from nine to six. And they added a front garage and a front garden option. These are how the building relates to the street, particularly given the slope nature of parcels in Sausalito. Also, they proposed modifying the privacy regulations that were in the original draft. So now, not just these are for when proposed development projects are in close proximity to an adjacent residential structure. It used to be that those would require modifications of the window placement or the window type.
02:58:27.83	Bob Brown	based upon the adjacency of windows. Now it also takes into account adjacent outdoor spaces on balconies and decks.
02:58:36.77	Bob Brown	And they added regulations related to properties in the historic district. And as you'll hear a little bit later, created regulations to assess and limit view impacts from private and public vantage points. So those were the high-level changes that are in the document now. Next.
02:58:56.95	Bob Brown	I think it's very important that everyone understands what the odds apply to and what projects they do not. So the odds will apply.
02:59:04.39	Bob Brown	to
02:59:05.09	Bob Brown	Any project that has two or more new
02:59:07.97	Bob Brown	housing units, multifamily housing units that would either be in a multifamily project or in a mixed use project where at least two thirds of the square footage is residential.
02:59:19.87	Bob Brown	It would apply only in the multifamily and commercial zoning districts or any zoning district where multifamily housing is allowed so that would also include zoning districts like in Marin ship if that occurs through the public vote. And it would also then be a requirement for projects seeking SP 35 or AB 2011 approvals next.
02:59:43.83	Bob Brown	what it does not apply to. Next slide, please.
02:59:47.29	Bob Brown	What it does not apply to will be single family homes or SB9 projects or any application that is a modification to an existing multifamily project that doesn't add two or more units.
03:00:00.59	Bob Brown	and any new or modified commercial project. Again, it doesn't add two or more units.
03:00:06.85	Bob Brown	Next, please.
03:00:09.65	Bob Brown	It also proposes a change in the review process. So the idea is that this would be an alternate approval process if applicants choose it. They would, if they comply with all of the odds and all of the objective standards in your current municipal code,
03:00:26.86	Bob Brown	The quid pro quo is they would avoid discretionary design review. So it would be simply an administrative approval. Staff would verify compliance with all these regulations. If they meet that bar, that very high bar,
03:00:39.57	Bob Brown	the projects would be approved.
03:00:41.63	Bob Brown	For those projects that don't meet the standards, any of the standards, or if the applicant wants more flexibility, they then would be able to go through your traditional design review process that's discretionary.
03:00:56.23	Bob Brown	Thanks.
03:00:58.74	Bob Brown	We've had a lot of talk about the density bonus law tonight and waivers and concessions. Again, this is just a cautionary tale that the state law under the density bonus gives a great deal of deference and ability for applicants.
03:01:15.09	Bob Brown	to obtain waivers to the zoning standards, including the new odds.
03:01:20.52	Bob Brown	So again, the state mandates that we create these odds.
03:01:23.82	Bob Brown	and then they take away in the same hand
03:01:26.33	Bob Brown	by allowing developers to simply waive them. And that, as the city attorney said, could be height regulations. It could also be the view preservation standards that we'll talk about later. I would just add that I would say the great majority of housing projects that I see applied for in the last several years have all asked for height waivers. It's very, very common.
03:01:47.88	Bob Brown	Thank you.
03:01:48.67	Bob Brown	Next, please.
03:01:51.76	Bob Brown	So there are proposed changes that would be made in the zoning code, not the odds themselves.
03:01:58.90	Bob Brown	Beth Thompson covered some of that earlier. Again, the idea is that for the 48 housing opportunity sites, there would be one of three overlays applied to it. One would be the overlay at 29 units an acre. One would be an overlay at up to 49 units an acre. And one would be an overlay with a maximum of 70 units per acre.
03:02:18.84	Bob Brown	And as part of that, we would change the regulations to accommodate the higher density. The height limit, as we mentioned earlier, would stay the same for the 29 and 49 unit per acre maximum projects. But to get to 70 units per acre, we would propose an extra story, so four stories up to 45 feet. Also, to accommodate the additional square footage, you'd have to increase your floor area ratios. And so we show those here on the screen, both for a strictly multifamily project and also a bit higher if it was a mixed-use project to allow that commercial space. I think it's very important to point out that these FARs are based on an average unit size of 750 square feet.
03:03:06.99	Bob Brown	So not particularly large units. And the point of that is twofold.
03:03:11.41	Bob Brown	one, to keep the average size of these buildings down,
03:03:14.95	Bob Brown	And secondly, to promote more affordable units by design. So they're not gonna be 3,000 square foot units. Again, the FARs that are being recommended here are based on 750 square foot average unit sizes. And we'd also propose that the building coverage limits be waived.
03:03:33.35	Bob Brown	And the purpose of that is to encourage shorter buildings. They may cover more of the lot, but they would be shorter.
03:03:40.23	Bob Brown	Next slide.
03:03:43.25	Bob Brown	So again, trying to describe the draft odds very succinctly, it's important to understand that these rules are additive. So your existing code still exists. In a few cases, the odds would supersede what you have currently, but in most cases, they go beyond. They add additional requirements to what you currently have.
03:04:05.98	Bob Brown	So one of the things that it requires is that an applicant choose among four different building types. And again, we had previously, I think, 11 down to four. Next. And those building types each have various restrictions, particularly in terms of the building dimensions. So again, the intent is to not allow these buildings to be exceptionally large and to require some ins and outs, some articulation in the footprint of the building.
03:04:34.00	Bob Brown	Next.
03:04:36.27	Bob Brown	Again, the developer would have the ability to pick between one of six frontage types. This is how the building addresses the street. So, for example, a housing project could potentially pick having a porch in the front. A commercial project could pick having a storefront. And there are regulations and dimensions, et cetera, for each of those. Next, please.
03:05:00.15	Bob Brown	Also associated with the building type are allowable massing types. And these then provide for the form of the building. So some articulation in the front.
03:05:12.54	Bob Brown	Thank you.
03:05:12.76	Bob Brown	the way the roof relates and how the building is organized. So the fenestration, the windows and doors, how they're organized on a facade. Next slide.
03:05:24.62	Bob Brown	I think it's important to point out that what the odds do intentionally is restrict the placement of the building and the overall massing of the building. What they don't do is they don't regulate the style or the architectural design of the building.
03:05:40.06	Bob Brown	So the style is entirely up to the applicant.
03:05:43.76	Bob Brown	It doesn't call for specific material types.
03:05:47.07	Bob Brown	It doesn't call for specific window or door proportions. Again, the actual design of the facades of the building are left to the applicant. Next.
03:05:59.17	Bob Brown	There are other additional regulations that are incorporated as part of the odds.
03:06:04.13	Bob Brown	So there are requirements for screening of equipment and garbage enclosures, those sorts of facilities. There are additional regulations that relate to landscaping and lighting.
03:06:15.30	Bob Brown	Um,
03:06:16.46	Bob Brown	parking. The odds deal with the location of parking and also more landscaping for parking.
03:06:23.04	Bob Brown	They have increased bicycle parking.
03:06:26.65	Bob Brown	There are streetscape standards, so the street frontage improvements that are required.
03:06:31.58	Bob Brown	And then also, as I mentioned, there are privacy regulations that relate to residential properties that are in close proximity.
03:06:40.24	Bob Brown	Next.
03:06:44.49	Bob Brown	So there are, again, two areas where the review committee really went very much beyond the original draft odds. One is in the area of view preservation.
03:06:57.00	Bob Brown	So with the view preservation regulations, this would require the preparation of view assessments. It would be required using city commission software or an equivalent, and it would look at the existing topography, the existing buildings that are sitting on the land, vegetative forms,
03:07:17.16	Bob Brown	And it would determine the visibility of protected views from various vantage points from adjacent residential structures, but also from, I think, 38 publicly defined vantage points.
03:07:31.32	Bob Brown	it would then, the software would then incorporate
03:07:35.91	Bob Brown	the digital design of the project.
03:07:38.86	Bob Brown	and it would rerun the analyses
03:07:40.89	Bob Brown	Again, looking to the extent of view blockage from any particular vantage point.
03:07:48.13	Bob Brown	And the regulations define three different types of views. One is an iconic view of certain features like
03:07:55.30	Bob Brown	either bridge.
03:07:56.67	Bob Brown	of the San Francisco skyline, Angel Island, Mount Tam.
03:08:00.61	Bob Brown	And those
03:08:02.13	Bob Brown	could not be blocked from any one vantage point by more than 5%.
03:08:06.54	Bob Brown	Water views of the bay or the ocean could not be blocked by, again, more than 5% from any vantage point.
03:08:13.96	Bob Brown	And then what they call vista views of the natural environment could not be blocked by more than 10%.
03:08:22.33	Bob Brown	So I just think it's important to note that the software, while it seems incredibly innovative and groundbreaking, does not currently exist.
03:08:31.60	Bob Brown	It would have to be created. It will have to be tested. And there will be costs to the city in doing that. So if the council, after hearing the presentations tonight, wants to pursue that, again, we will have to refine some of that information for you so you have a better picture of what that means.
03:08:49.25	Bob Brown	Next, please.
03:08:52.59	Bob Brown	Then in terms of the historic district, there are additional regulations that would apply to all properties within the designated district.
03:09:01.21	Bob Brown	Um,
03:09:02.71	Bob Brown	And there's really two areas of regulations. One would limit the height of a building,
03:09:08.65	Bob Brown	the ground floor height,
03:09:10.56	Bob Brown	Pardon me.
03:09:11.34	Bob Brown	Thank you.
03:09:12.77	Bob Brown	The window and door proportions on a facade
03:09:16.30	Bob Brown	and the building coverage.
03:09:17.58	Bob Brown	Pardon me.
03:09:19.61	Bob Brown	based on the average.
03:09:21.97	Bob Brown	of what are called neighborhood context buildings.
03:09:25.93	Bob Brown	Thank you very much.
03:09:32.33	Bob Brown	Appreciate that.
03:09:36.26	Bob Brown	So again, these neighborhood context buildings in the immediate proximity would establish averages in these areas, and then the new building would have to abide with those averages.
03:09:47.32	Bob Brown	I would point out since most of your historic district is two stories that could definitely pose a restriction on getting to an allowed third story in the district.
03:09:57.83	Bob Brown	Next.
03:10:00.11	Bob Brown	Then the other aspect of the historic regulations, it calls for adoption of what's called a defining characteristics list. So this is a list for each property in the district and identifies the historic characteristics, architectural features of each building that make it historic and make it a contributing building to the district, if that's the case the case so from this list new construction would be required to incorporate at least two of those listed features in the new construction and if it's a modification of an existing building
03:10:38.75	Bob Brown	those features have to be retained.
03:10:42.19	Bob Brown	We would note that currently the draft defining characteristics list, this comes from the existing
03:10:51.62	Bob Brown	historic inventory forms that the city had prepared several many years ago,
03:10:55.96	Bob Brown	Um,
03:10:56.74	Bob Brown	Those will require some, I think, additional editing to make sure everything in them is objective. But I would also say that the review committee views that list as being an interim list and would really love to see a comprehensive update of the inventory done that would then update the finding characteristics list in the near future.
03:11:20.70	Bob Brown	Next, please.
03:11:23.45	Bob Brown	So these next steps, I think Beth covered these in her earlier slides. So again, we're shooting for bringing an ordinance for adoption of the odds.
03:11:34.96	Bob Brown	and the zoning code changes to the council in early December.
03:11:38.89	Bob Brown	in order to meet a deadline.
03:11:41.73	Bob Brown	for ballot measure next year.
03:11:44.83	Bob Brown	And with that, I did want to mention that Tony Perez, who is a
03:11:51.33	Bob Brown	The lead from Opticos, who's worked with us for the last three and a half years, is on Zoom. So if you have specific questions of him, we can refer them to him.
03:12:01.98	Bob Brown	And I think that that is it. Next slide.
03:12:05.47	Bob Brown	Yes, that is it. And I think at this point, if you have questions, I'll be happy to deal with them. If not, we can hear from the review committee and their presentation.
03:12:13.66	Bob Brown	Thank you.
03:12:13.69	Mr. St. Clair	Just one preliminary question for me is, the six building types, we're about to hear from a view tool,
03:12:20.76	Mr. St. Clair	that would
03:12:23.63	Mr. St. Clair	would,
03:12:24.37	Mr. St. Clair	potentially constrain the setbacks in a way that I'm wondering if your building types would allow if you only have six.
03:12:31.36	Bob Brown	I don't think the billing types would be constrained. I think it is possible if you have a site that's surrounded by properties that currently have views and they're coming.
03:12:40.76	Bob Brown	at that site from different perspectives, different angles.
03:12:43.81	Bob Brown	I think it is possible that you will find that there will be properties that cannot meet the density or the allowed floria ratio. So, again, that certainly is an opportunity for waivers and concessions under the state density bonus law.
03:12:59.47	Bob Brown	Okay.
03:12:59.91	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
03:13:04.23	Council member Kelman	I had a couple of questions.
03:13:06.54	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
03:13:06.58	Bob Brown	Yes.
03:13:06.81	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
03:13:06.83	Bob Brown	Thank you.
03:13:07.62	Council member Kelman	I was concerned about your slide that says that the proposed software does not currently exist.
03:13:14.27	Council member Kelman	So I think Sophia is going to show us that software does exist.
03:13:18.76	Council member Kelman	It perhaps has not been customized for the city, but the software exists, no?
03:13:24.53	Bob Brown	Again, I think you'll hear from the presentation. I think what we're saying is that the software is not plug and play now. And I think from the staff's perspective, it should be by the time the ordinance is enacted and becomes effective because you could have an application the next day.
03:13:42.89	Bob Brown	that will have to utilize the software. So that's all we're saying.
03:13:46.38	Council member Kelman	And that's my next question. Your slide said the software must be tested prior to ordinance adoption. Is that not up to the city council about the timing? It is.
03:13:57.98	Council member Kelman	Okay, so there's no statute.
03:13:59.58	Council member Kelman	that says that the software must be tested prior to ordinance adoption.
03:14:06.25	Bob Brown	No, I think you would want to know that the software is functional and it does what we believe it should do.
03:14:12.50	Council member Kelman	Understood. And so perhaps we should ask of our review committee for a timeline for
03:14:18.14	Council member Kelman	if the city council gives direction to move forward for development,
03:14:22.76	Council member Kelman	or customization of the software and testing
03:14:26.23	Council member Kelman	so that we can understand that process.
03:14:29.72	Council member Kelman	Absolutely.
03:14:29.99	Unknown	Thank you.
03:14:30.04	Council member Kelman	Okay, thank you.
03:14:33.31	Mr. St. Clair	Anyone else? Ms. Collier?
03:14:39.83	Sophia Collier	Thank you very much.
03:14:42.17	Mr. St. Clair	Welcome.
03:15:10.42	Michael Rex	Michael Rex, Hello, I'm architect Michael Rex and one has to ask why we're here.
03:15:16.80	Michael Rex	We're here because when we...
03:15:20.53	Michael Rex	myself and others reviewed the Planning Commission's draft that was sent to you for recommendation.
03:15:27.11	Michael Rex	We were concerned it's too generic.
03:15:30.25	Michael Rex	that it needed to be better tailored to fit Sausalito.
03:15:33.98	Michael Rex	Saucena with its steep topography and its small village-like character.
03:15:39.68	Michael Rex	We thought we needed better protection of views.
03:15:43.07	Michael Rex	and privacy.
03:15:45.74	Michael Rex	We thought we needed better historic preservation standards.
03:15:50.82	Michael Rex	and form-based standards, again, to reflect this unique town.
03:15:56.66	Michael Rex	We understood and were firmly committed that when we do this,
03:16:01.62	Michael Rex	by state mandate.
03:16:03.75	Michael Rex	the solutions we propose must be objective, measurable,
03:16:08.98	Michael Rex	and known in advance.
03:16:11.51	Michael Rex	We were told, particularly when it came to view protection, it's not possible, it's never been done.
03:16:17.16	Michael Rex	We knew better.
03:16:19.64	Michael Rex	Views can be measured.
03:16:21.50	Michael Rex	and known in advance.
03:16:23.37	Michael Rex	Something physical.
03:16:25.65	Michael Rex	You shared our concerns when we brought those concerns to you in March.
03:16:30.76	Michael Rex	We proposed, and with your support, we organized a volunteer group we called the Peer Review Group because we're peer reviewing the Planning Commission's work.
03:16:40.94	Michael Rex	and we invited local experts.
03:16:43.47	Michael Rex	to assist.
03:16:44.78	Michael Rex	And you heard David Brown's
03:16:48.53	Michael Rex	imagine who they are and I
03:16:50.41	Michael Rex	I want to thank you for supporting this volunteer initiative.
03:16:54.57	Michael Rex	and also for directing
03:16:56.23	Michael Rex	city staff and you're,
03:16:58.20	Michael Rex	paid consultants to assist us in this process.
03:17:02.07	Michael Rex	Um,
03:17:02.98	Michael Rex	While Bob Brown mentioned the names, I wanted to let you know that,
03:17:09.00	Michael Rex	It also included Connor Turnbull, who's
03:17:12.82	Michael Rex	worked with Vicki on historic preservation
03:17:15.43	Michael Rex	and Steve Woodside and then Ed Brankman.
03:17:18.52	Michael Rex	and five of the members of the peer review group are architects. We broke into five different subcommittees, each one taking a key element, privacy, view protection, form-based design, wordsmithing, and historic preservation. And joining us in those subcommittees were David Cornyn, Josh Rich Richmond, and James Sparkman. Over a period of three months, we had 98 meetings. We met weekly, sometimes twice a week. And we did a lot of research of technology. We reached out to other experts.
03:17:58.99	Michael Rex	And I want to particularly shout out
03:18:02.29	Michael Rex	to Sophia Collier
03:18:05.04	Michael Rex	on the view protection.
03:18:07.88	Michael Rex	and David Mallott on our planning commission.
03:18:11.69	Michael Rex	with his diligent
03:18:13.83	Michael Rex	and detailed wordsmithing.
03:18:16.99	Michael Rex	I also want to thank Bob Brown from Opticos and Tony Perez.
03:18:21.19	Michael Rex	and our city staff, Brandon, Neil, and Sergio.
03:18:25.72	Michael Rex	This was a team effort, okay?
03:18:27.99	Michael Rex	I also want to thank the 67 people who wrote to you.
03:18:32.14	Michael Rex	in your packet tonight supporting this effort.
03:18:35.69	Michael Rex	Um,
03:18:36.65	Michael Rex	Before I turn it over to David Mallott, who's going to give you a broad overview of
03:18:42.49	Michael Rex	I do want to mention that when we get to the next steps, I have a few comments that I'd like to suggest, okay?
03:18:48.88	Michael Rex	So David, please give us an overview.
03:18:54.52	Michael Rex	Bye.
03:18:54.89	Jeff Jacob Chase	Thank you.
03:18:56.21	David Marlott	So thank you very much, Michael, and good evening, council members. My name is David Marlott, also a local architect and member of the Planning Commission. What I'd like to do tonight is very briefly give you a high-level summary of where our group sees the work, principally the work of the historic preservation and view-based standards, fitting within the framework of the odds and that it's compatible. And then secondly, just highlighting some of what we feel like we were able to accomplish in the past three months, much of which has been touched on by Bob already. So there's just three slides here. One shows the current situation. what's helpful is to understand that the city, and like all cities in all counties in California, already have objective standards. They have objective standards and subjective standards. Subjective, of course, in our city involves the character, the review protection, historic, and so forth. And within the objective standards, there's two types already in our code. One is form-based, so setbacks and height will dictate some kind of a shape. And formula-based, such as the floor area ratio, lot coverage, even acoustical limits at the property line, don't tell you what a shape should be, but they give you a formula, and they're equally objective. And that'll be important in just a moment.
03:20:23.00	David Marlott	because the first draft of the odds that you reviewed in March
03:20:28.51	David Marlott	They moved the character, privacy, and screening aspects out of the subjective column and over into the objective column with additions to the form-based side of objective.
03:20:40.51	David Marlott	But as Michael's expressed, and all of you well know, they left the view and preservation aspects, which are really critical to our city and the character of our city, they left them somewhat orphaned. And that was really what we saw as our challenge. And how could view in particular fit? How could it be objective?
03:20:58.70	David Marlott	So,
03:20:59.61	David Marlott	Sophia is going to show them demonstration of the software in use, but just I want to offer this framework that view synchronization, as we call it, or view preservation,
03:21:13.94	David Marlott	actually fits very well in the existing framework of an objective design standard, just like any county or city may regulate floor area ratio, they may regulate daylight planes, they may regulate setbacks, lot coverage. These are all things that are formula-based that jurisdictions establish to protect the character of their city, and view protection is nothing other than that.
03:21:36.98	David Marlott	and form-based.
03:21:39.05	David Marlott	can include historic preservation because that's usually associated with
03:21:42.88	David Marlott	averaging or matching or being compatible with very specific forms.
03:21:48.97	David Marlott	So that's a very broad overview of how we place our work in the context of the work that's already been done prior to the peer group.
03:21:59.77	David Marlott	Some of this, obviously, Bob already mentioned, but some of the key results and recommendations that we see
03:22:05.76	David Marlott	is we helped, working with staff, optimizing the form-based criteria, which as a result was reducing building types, zones, and other streamlining characteristics. It had the effect of cutting the page count by about half of what was presented in March, but that wasn't the original goal. The original goal was to be efficient, effective, consistent, so there weren't redundancies, that would be a better tool for staff and for any applicant or architect. We added some facade types that were more specific to Sausalito and offered modifications to others. We introduced something that was missing from the draft which was a requirement for some level of neighborhood notification and a staff pre-app requirement. Understanding that a lot of these projects will be approved ministerially.
03:22:53.10	David Marlott	But that doesn't mean that communication
03:22:55.72	David Marlott	should be ignored.
03:22:57.72	David Marlott	And it can actually be argued that it's a streamlining quality for HCD, not an impediment to permitting.
03:23:07.65	David Marlott	As Michael mentioned, we enhanced privacy standards just to be more effective and account for our topography. And then, as you'll see in just a moment, the historic district standards to preserve the historic character and remain aligned with the Secretary of Interior standards and also developing, as has been discussed already tonight, the view synchronization methodology that will preserve what's really an invaluable community asset to our city.
03:23:33.58	David Marlott	So with that, I'd just like to also join Michael in expressing our gratitude to staff and the consultants and the legal counsel for working with us and coming up with this joint document that you are reviewing this evening. Thank you very much. I'll leave it over to Satya.
03:23:53.12	Sophia Collier	Well, I would also like to add one other thank you, and that is to our leader, Vice Mayor Cox.
03:24:00.94	Sophia Collier	She was there in our meetings and making sure that we were not overly constrained, that we were able to brainstorm and go freeform at times when we were trying to work with some of these very technical things.
03:24:14.93	Sophia Collier	form-based or topics like that set is very very technical and that she encouraged us to get out there and think and not be constrained by whatever was so that was a very important leadership
03:24:27.14	Sophia Collier	And we're very grateful for it. So thank you very much.
03:24:30.18	Sophia Collier	And I also will mention that Mayor Cox has been a leader in some of the prior, in our research, some of the prior projects on the 2011 historic project was one that she was a leader on as well. So she and Vicki are still ruling the roost here and making sure that our city is in great shape. So our, of course, our historic district is world famous.
03:24:55.02	Sophia Collier	Thank you.
03:24:55.06	Sophia Collier	1 million visitors per year and as was mentioned by Melissa, a council member, Melissa, one of
03:25:01.47	Sophia Collier	Only 12 certified districts in the state of California.
03:25:04.49	Sophia Collier	And we say certified. That's certified by the federal government. These are really important areas, and that is an important part of our heritage.
03:25:13.90	Sophia Collier	Generations of Sausalito residents have worked to
03:25:16.91	Sophia Collier	create and preserve the historic district. This is our moment to do so.
03:25:21.14	Sophia Collier	So how does it work? So current approach to historic preservation, we have, for example, this case where there was the fire at Starbucks,
03:25:28.06	Sophia Collier	trained professionals are involved it's case by case
03:25:32.03	Sophia Collier	There is the supervision by the Historic Preservation Commission, the Planning Commission, and then the use of the Secretary of Interior Standards of Historic Preservation.
03:25:40.26	Sophia Collier	I didn't know much about that before, but now I know quite a bit about it, and I really think it's a great program.
03:25:46.41	Sophia Collier	So,
03:25:47.54	Sophia Collier	The standards are there's 12, there's 10 standards and they cover all aspects of work on or around historic structures. They're intended to protect America's history
03:25:57.71	Sophia Collier	and our legacy, and they contain
03:26:00.51	Sophia Collier	Some subjective words, but also a lot of math words.
03:26:04.11	Sophia Collier	And the reason that they're very general is they're intended to stand for a nation.
03:26:08.58	Sophia Collier	So from sea to shining sea, they cover historic properties.
03:26:12.95	Sophia Collier	However, we are a very small and specific area, so we were able to
03:26:18.50	Sophia Collier	address this issue by saying,
03:26:20.83	Sophia Collier	Okay, let's find the math words and then define objective parameters for each based upon the surrounding buildings.
03:26:28.86	Sophia Collier	Let's identify the building specific words and then reference the building itself. The buildings themselves are the ultimate objective standard.
03:26:37.79	Sophia Collier	So here's an example from Standard 9.
03:26:40.74	Sophia Collier	the new work shall be differentiated from the old and shall be compatible
03:26:45.16	Sophia Collier	with the massing size, scale, and architectural features to protect
03:26:49.42	Sophia Collier	The historic integrity of the properties environment so we can see okay the math words massing scale size this building specific words are.
03:26:59.17	Sophia Collier	architectural features and the environment.
03:27:01.79	Sophia Collier	So we can...
03:27:03.37	Sophia Collier	put these together.
03:27:04.57	Sophia Collier	and create an objective standard to protect each building and the district as a whole.
03:27:09.60	Sophia Collier	So the context-based, Bob described it, but basically it's looking to the buildings in the surrounding area.
03:27:16.48	Sophia Collier	And that is the approach that we think is best. So basically looking at buildings on, six buildings on either side, or three on either side, it provides a context
03:27:27.79	Sophia Collier	And in the odds, we went through and said, OK,
03:27:30.78	Sophia Collier	Let's say it's, this is a good example. This is from our
03:27:34.61	Sophia Collier	2011 historic design guidelines, which really was a Bible for us, although not objective. It provided a lot of information.
03:27:42.88	Sophia Collier	So for example, you see here, preserve the size and proportion of a historic window opening
03:27:47.99	Sophia Collier	Say it's this one by two.
03:27:50.07	Sophia Collier	So then you can see how this street nicely flows along. It's not exactly the same, but it relates to each other. So setting this context and then allowing things to alternate on the baseline off that context is a great way to ensure an overall compatibility.
03:28:10.30	Sophia Collier	and also to keep in the spirit of the Secretary of Interior Standards.
03:28:15.12	Sophia Collier	So our recommendations here, we have four. One is to establish the separate standards.
03:28:20.37	Sophia Collier	adopt the objective standards for the district based on the 10 standards,
03:28:24.32	Sophia Collier	define a neighborhood context,
03:28:26.43	Sophia Collier	and then update the historic inventory.
03:28:28.91	Sophia Collier	And updating the historic inventory is something that I know has been on the wish list for a long time, but now is the time to do it and to give that case and explain its benefits.
03:28:40.49	Sophia Collier	Madam Becky.
03:28:47.88	Angela Garcia	Ooh.
03:28:48.18	Vicki Nichols	I'll be quick. Good evening, Mayor Sobieski and Councilmembers. I'm Vicki Nichols, a member of the Sausalito Odds Peer Review Group. I want to thank you for the opportunity to participate with this group.
03:29:00.65	Vicki Nichols	While I read the voluminous draft odds document that was our launching pad for this work, I would like to pass the majority of the credit for the new revisions to the experienced planners, architects, and autodidactic innovator
03:29:16.19	Vicki Nichols	a.k.a. Sophia, among us for the final context you are reviewing tonight. My role was providing context on historical preservation procedures and policies and what our responsibility as a certified local government requires of Sausalito to retain that status. Being a CLG allows Sausalito to be eligible to complete for statewide historical preservation grants. The HLB, with the help of a professional historical consultant,
03:29:47.55	Vicki Nichols	produce the historic design guidelines, I think that Sophia just referenced about Joan and I. And we were able to produce those with a grant that we won from the state for $12,500. And that's how we were able to do those standards. So there's more opportunity as a CLG.
03:30:07.41	Vicki Nichols	The language in these odds is primarily directed to changes within the downtown historic district.
03:30:14.35	Vicki Nichols	As the group became more familiar with the inventoried status of the district resources, it became clear to all of us that there was other resources within the city limits that had not been inventoried and evaluated. And I think you heard tonight
03:30:31.39	Vicki Nichols	in another explanation that some of the exceptions to some of these laws if these valid historical resources are listed on a list we do have a layer of legitimate protection so this is an important uh criteria one one thing that we can use one of the requirements of being a clg is that the city maintain a system for the survey and inventory of historical properties. That requirement and process is codified in our historic preservation regulations that were done not long ago as Chapter 1046 in our zoning code.
03:31:09.97	Vicki Nichols	I feel confident saying that this group recognized the need to get a citywide historical inventory completed. After we discussed this, it became clear. I believe I can speak for the rest of them that we support this. Completing a citywide historic inventory has been a goal for years, and now is really the priority time. It is important to consider that preservation or reuse of historic structures has a built-in sustainability value.
03:31:38.52	Vicki Nichols	There is no building demolition waste, and the energy required for new construction is not a factor in these projects.
03:31:47.41	Vicki Nichols	In addition, it is a proven fact that historic structures or areas add economic value to communities, making them a point of interest for visitors and residents alike. Lastly, historic inventories are one of the areas that the statewide CLG grants fund. Funding is awarded annually. The cost that the city may incur for taking on a survey could be supported or reimbursed by us winning one of these grants and they do grants for inventories all the time being that we are now in an election cycle it can be fairly perceived that i am the closer for tonight that person who had all the coffees and all the events makes the ask for donations. So I am respectfully asking the Skiddy Council to prioritize the funding for citywide historic inventory. This is the formal list that will guide future development and changes to all structures in Sausalito. It informs our city staff, developers, and the community and is vital for any changes made in the future.
03:32:57.00	Vicki Nichols	Thank you.
03:33:09.76	Sophia Collier	Okay, so you protection.
03:33:19.67	Sophia Collier	So first of all, everybody in Sausalito knows that views are very, very important.
03:33:25.08	Sophia Collier	Residents treasure their views, which have been affected by
03:33:27.89	Mr. St. Clair	Ms. Collier, can you be sure to speak into the microphone?
03:33:30.08	Sophia Collier	which have been protected for generations by our VIEW regulations.
03:33:34.82	Sophia Collier	Views are the foundation of real estate value.
03:33:37.69	Sophia Collier	and resident tranquility. And a lot of people, when they talk about their view
03:33:41.52	Sophia Collier	even if it's a small view, a large view,
03:33:44.49	Sophia Collier	just a little peek at the water.
03:33:46.47	Sophia Collier	or a big view
03:33:48.61	Sophia Collier	That is something that speaks to their heart.
03:33:50.65	Sophia Collier	This is not just for people. People have spent a lifetime to earn
03:33:54.78	Sophia Collier	their home here in Sausalito, these are very, very important to people.
03:34:00.03	Sophia Collier	We have three protected classes that we have focused on, feature views, water views, and vistas.
03:34:05.52	Sophia Collier	A person mentioned earlier in the MLK discussion talking about perhaps they didn't really have much of a view
03:34:13.15	Sophia Collier	In turn, they might, in that case, have been thinking about maybe a water view.
03:34:17.03	Sophia Collier	but they do have the tranquility of their VISTA view or other aspects. So we want to take, our view regulations have always taken into account the environment of a person's home. So this approach does that as well.
03:34:33.58	Sophia Collier	So view protection compliance has shaped Sausalito. And if you look at our hills, they're shaped by neighbors and architects working with each other. So if everyone can find a place and the best view that their property affords.
03:34:47.60	Sophia Collier	We actually have stadium seating. If you look at how the
03:34:52.53	Sophia Collier	environment is configured, you can kind of see that.
03:34:56.80	Sophia Collier	stadium seating is a little different than than some of the ways cities other cities are laid out in a grid, but it's actually an old idea and a very successful one to have a stadium by the water.
03:35:09.02	Sophia Collier	In the past, we used communication and coordination to do view work. The old school application involved a personal approach rooted in communication and respect, designing with neighbors in mind, putting up story poles, and communicating.
03:35:24.07	Sophia Collier	Now we're in a new world, the world of objective standards.
03:35:27.58	Sophia Collier	So the concept we have here is a specialized software tool set for developers and city planners.
03:35:34.63	Sophia Collier	highly accurate and totally objective, designed to objectively enforce
03:35:40.42	Sophia Collier	Sausalito's existing view ordinance.
03:35:44.00	Sophia Collier	It is built on a proven system that is in use worldwide. It is built on top of Esri's ArcGIS and CityEngine. It is a proven technology in use worldwide for view analysis. ViewSync will initially be deployed as a desktop application using an approved service provider.
03:36:04.03	Sophia Collier	So I wanted just to give very short introduction to the science of views. So a view shed is a geographic area that is visible from a specific location.
03:36:14.83	Sophia Collier	So if you just imagine, if you take a flashlight,
03:36:17.45	Sophia Collier	And where that light falls, that's basically the viewshed.
03:36:21.34	Sophia Collier	So this is, you see the little guy looking out. You can see where he or she can see and where they cannot.
03:36:28.85	Sophia Collier	View software, it's interesting that this is considered so innovative, and I'm grateful to be viewed as a great innovator.
03:36:36.50	Sophia Collier	However, this thing began 56 years ago and was invented by the Forest Service in 1968.
03:36:43.35	Sophia Collier	So I'm happy to pick up some of my old ideas from the 60s and bring them back to Sausalito.
03:36:49.24	Sophia Collier	So using software, now it's improved a lot in 56 years, and
03:36:54.92	Sophia Collier	Using software, the exact shape of any view shed can be calculated and visualized.
03:37:03.04	Sophia Collier	So what do we need to do? We need to create a digital twin of Sausalito, a precise 3D model of Sausalito
03:37:10.84	Sophia Collier	using high resolution LIDAR data and other geographic information. We actually have some LIDAR data, but we have another approach to this as well.
03:37:22.48	Sophia Collier	So we want to create a Google Earth Pro example of a high resolution 3D model. So when you're looking at this, this is a 3D model of Sausalito.
03:37:33.74	Sophia Collier	And this is one that is created from both LIDAR and photogrammetry, where photographs and LIDAR images are combined to create a very detailed model.
03:37:44.99	Sophia Collier	So view sync and action, it is designed to apply our city wide objective standards is fully automated.
03:37:52.72	Sophia Collier	The developer provides a digital model of their proposed project to the city authorized provider
03:37:57.94	Sophia Collier	The provider runs an automated six-step view-shed analysis and generates a pass-fail report. So it's basically push a button, and it's pass or fail.
03:38:09.50	Sophia Collier	It also can be used as a design tool and also as a city planning tool, but just on the basic compliance, that's what it does.
03:38:17.19	Sophia Collier	Our implementation strategy is to
03:38:20.30	Sophia Collier	get map data for a digital twin. We don't have a lot of time. We've heard about, we've got to get this stuff going. We're under the gun.
03:38:28.02	Sophia Collier	So what we need to do is we need to outsource.
03:38:31.52	Sophia Collier	So we need to purchase 3D data and LiDAR and high resolution images from a service provider. And we've identified several that have
03:38:40.83	Sophia Collier	current images taken in June of 2024 of Sausalito.
03:38:46.15	Sophia Collier	This will save time, it will lower initial investment, and they also have frequent updates. We won't have to worry about flying around with a drone. As fun as that sounded, it is not necessary to start. I also believe that we should outsource the software. We should retain ESRI or an ESRI certified partner to write and maintain the software.
03:39:06.38	Sophia Collier	and that we should then authorize third parties to use the software and provide the required reports. So again, outsourcing, ESRI is a worldwide resource.
03:39:15.21	Sophia Collier	very substantial company, a worldwide successful company that's an expert in this field.
03:39:23.54	Sophia Collier	regulatory, I think we should create a comprehensive analysis of our opportunity sites to demonstrate that the VIEW software will not hurt housing goals. I will do that. I will take that on and complete that.
03:39:34.78	Sophia Collier	then we also need to do an education campaign.
03:39:38.60	Sophia Collier	We need to educate.
03:39:40.35	Sophia Collier	our friends in the state about this, whether it be through our state representatives, other elected officials to get them on board and understand why this is a great idea for us,
03:39:51.32	Sophia Collier	and why they should really be comfortable with it.
03:39:54.53	Sophia Collier	Funding, we have to finalize our budget and determine our funding model.
03:39:58.90	Sophia Collier	whether it be private funding,
03:40:00.99	Sophia Collier	going out with the GoFundMe,
03:40:03.42	Sophia Collier	cost recovery through applicant fees or grants. So those are the options for that.
03:40:10.96	Sophia Collier	Okay.
03:40:11.82	Sophia Collier	Now, let's go to the demo.
03:40:20.28	Sophia Collier	Thank you.
03:40:22.24	Sophia Collier	So now what we're doing here is we're looking at a little
03:40:25.56	Sophia Collier	We're zooming in. Some people think of views as being, okay, it's all in the banana belt or someplace.
03:40:31.11	Sophia Collier	Actually, there's a lot of views in Sausalito. So we're zooming in.
03:40:34.92	Sophia Collier	We're going into 4th and Main Street.
03:40:42.26	Sophia Collier	Now we're gonna go in on a simplified model.
03:40:45.81	Sophia Collier	So we're zooming in with a digital simplified model on the exact location.
03:40:53.25	Sophia Collier	Now once we have our actual model, we will use a much more detailed model. But now we're pulling out a center line. This is just an interactive demo here.
03:41:07.31	Sophia Collier	Okay, so you've got where green is visible, red is not visible, so you can't see behind Angel Island. But check this out. Boom. We're looking through the window.
03:41:23.15	Sophia Collier	The software shows the exact percentage of the view, that is, the sky, the terrain, the buildings, and the water.
03:41:41.53	Sophia Collier	Okay, so now we're gonna walk around the neighborhood.
03:41:48.80	Sophia Collier	In real operation, ViewSync will use millions of points to get these details.
03:41:57.59	Sophia Collier	So first, what we're going to do, go maybe look a little bit different on the maybe different window.
03:42:03.08	Sophia Collier	On the same building, you can see the view change.
03:42:05.90	Sophia Collier	Now we're going to go down maybe to a little bit of a lower floor maybe.
03:42:11.58	Sophia Collier	Let's see what other people can see in this area.
03:42:15.26	Sophia Collier	kind of starting to go up the hill. This one is a little bit lower view, but again, real nice.
03:42:24.11	Sophia Collier	Now watch the numbers.
03:42:36.16	Sophia Collier	Every time we place that point on a spot, changes the numbers.
03:42:42.04	Sophia Collier	changes what you see in that window. It's kind of going up the hill toward the banana belt.
03:42:50.36	Sophia Collier	Okay.
03:42:51.66	Sophia Collier	We can, with this software, we can document and quantify.
03:42:56.17	Sophia Collier	any resident public or
03:42:58.82	Sophia Collier	private scenic view.
03:43:00.56	Sophia Collier	in a fully objective way.
03:43:04.25	Sophia Collier	Okay, so let's see how this works with our housing element.
03:43:08.77	Sophia Collier	So we did a case study on Site 53.
03:43:12.23	Sophia Collier	where we have 14 bonus density units, and we synced them with no view impairments, but it took a little bit of work.
03:43:25.11	Sophia Collier	So Site 53, this is right by City Hall. So it's right up here.
03:43:31.89	Sophia Collier	So we're looking here on.
03:43:34.31	Sophia Collier	This is our little map that we made of the housing element that everyone can use to refer to, but here's the.
03:43:39.96	Sophia Collier	Here's the location.
03:43:42.12	Sophia Collier	So the first thing in the process is to identify what are the potentially impacted properties.
03:43:47.98	Sophia Collier	So in this case, it's going to be the one on Benita Street and then up on Girard.
03:43:54.93	Sophia Collier	Let's just take a look.
03:44:03.09	Sophia Collier	Now we're going to go in digitally here. Same location.
03:44:15.26	Sophia Collier	So we're going to import the digital model of the proposed project.
03:44:30.43	Sophia Collier	Now we're going to find we're going to do a view shed analysis on the properties that are in nearby so you can see okay when it's red it's or the not visible, the yellow is visible from multiple advantages and green is visible from only one vantage.
03:44:56.99	Sophia Collier	We're going to bring back in the model, and now we're going to perform exactly the same thing. So step one, quantify the existing view. Step two, see how it impacts it.
03:45:12.91	Sophia Collier	So there you can see it in the window, Gerard.
03:45:20.75	Sophia Collier	It's not impacting the water view there.
03:45:22.80	Sophia Collier	Bonita's front view.
03:45:24.60	Sophia Collier	you know, there's the garden view
03:45:27.30	Sophia Collier	The garden view did not have a view before
03:45:30.15	Sophia Collier	So the garden view was not impacted by the
03:45:33.68	Sophia Collier	even though you can see it, it's not impacted by it.
03:45:40.55	Sophia Collier	But uh-oh, that side view, look at it. That used to be a nice looking out, but now it's unfortunately is...
03:45:49.15	Sophia Collier	that now the view is down to 1.7% there.
03:45:57.51	Sophia Collier	Failed.
03:46:02.20	Sophia Collier	Okay, so the next step, refine the design based on the results.
03:46:07.57	Sophia Collier	improved model is proposed.
03:46:10.67	Sophia Collier	And interestingly, you'll note that this improved model is actually higher in the back.
03:46:16.59	Sophia Collier	It's the same volume.
03:46:18.89	Sophia Collier	So now we're going to check out how it works.
03:46:24.41	Sophia Collier	And now we see the Bonita side window is not obstructed.
03:46:32.59	Sophia Collier	We can confirm the exact amount of water view is still present. Click back and forth. It's passed.
03:46:44.07	Sophia Collier	So the case study shows that Site 53 can actually support 14.
03:46:48.60	Sophia Collier	It's actually the realistic is six so 14 units can fit there.
03:46:54.65	Sophia Collier	I from working with this software over the last period of time, I believe that we have probably 50 million, at least 50 million cubic feet of space where we can design and put properties that would have no
03:47:09.23	Sophia Collier	be away-packed.
03:47:10.64	Sophia Collier	So I really believe that this is the way to design our city.
03:47:14.32	Sophia Collier	because we can find spots, our two.
03:47:17.39	Sophia Collier	the bonus density
03:47:19.25	Sophia Collier	the amount of space that we actually need is only 10 million cubic feet.
03:47:24.36	Sophia Collier	to build all the way. I mean, we probably don't want to build to that level. That's too many, much a third more people that we have. But to meet our arena, we would not need to build anywhere near that. So I feel like we have the space that we can do it. And that if we study this, it's this we decided as a compliance tool
03:47:43.85	Sophia Collier	but we really think that it can be a proactive planning tool. We'll identify the areas and the configurations where view impact is the lowest and plan for those versus being reactive.
03:47:55.80	Sophia Collier	Also, developers can use this as a design tool as well, that they can access this and use it as a design tool.
03:48:05.99	Sophia Collier	So that's the presentation.
03:48:09.45	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you very much.
03:48:18.21	Mr. St. Clair	Are there questions, please, for any of the presenters?
03:48:24.37	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah.
03:48:25.01	Mr. St. Clair	Go right ahead.
03:48:25.06	Councilmember Kelman	Go right ahead.
03:48:25.57	Councilmember Kelman	Sophia, quick question. Hi. Good evening. So, Cass Green has a large amount of LiDAR data. She actually built the interactive sea level rise map for Sassido. Is her data up to speed for you guys? Could that get us started quickly?
03:48:44.47	Sophia Collier	I mean, I think that it, I have been in touch with her and I talked with her. She was one of the people that we work with. But when I did approach it, it didn't seem to be exactly on point for what we were doing.
03:48:57.24	Sophia Collier	but certainly would be love to see if it would be. But when we approached the vendor that was working with her,
03:49:04.77	Sophia Collier	that they
03:49:05.85	Sophia Collier	kind of said it wasn't, but it might be.
03:49:08.18	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
03:49:09.06	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, and then under the funding, how much money do you guys think you need? I mean, I'm assuming this is a demo of a
03:49:15.28	Councilmember Kelman	of a prototype, but you want to build it out.
03:49:17.68	Sophia Collier	No, absolutely. Basically what we need to do is we need, this is built on top of ESRI. This would be called an alpha version of software. It's not modified as Vice Mayor said, it's not customized to us. My desire would be this is, okay, you don't see the other parts of the application.
03:49:35.84	Sophia Collier	It maybe comes through an API or whatever.
03:49:38.18	Sophia Collier	And so you basically upload your show's interface, you upload your model,
03:49:41.93	Sophia Collier	you.
03:49:42.43	Sophia Collier	You see a report.
03:49:43.61	Sophia Collier	So it has features like that that need to be developed.
03:49:46.23	Sophia Collier	So when we visited with Brandon and I met with Esri and we talked about this, we met with them on other occasions too, and they gave us some ballpark quotes, but obviously nothing concrete.
03:49:57.60	Sophia Collier	I wanted to see whether people are interested first and then get a quote from them afterwards. But I think my opinion is that it's under $50,000, like they mentioned $10,000. But I don't think that that's realistic, but it might be.
03:50:12.30	Councilmember Kelman	A friend of mine is a geospatial data scientist at Esri. Let's talk offline on, like I know for nonprofits, we just got something for $100. It's a $4,200 RPIS license.
03:50:22.55	Sophia Collier	or RPIS license. Yeah, that's great. And Cass actually introduced us to the owner of ESRI as well. Oh, even better. So he actually worked to some projects, early projects for Sausalito.
03:50:30.36	Councilmember Kelman	Okay.
03:50:37.60	Councilmember Kelman	Okay, and my last question is, what project do you want to do next, this working group?
03:50:44.94	Sophia Collier	Okay, we're going to work on the ADU, JADU. Okay, great. Yeah, you heard that. It's on the record.
03:50:47.45	Councilmember Kelman	Okay.
03:50:49.87	Sophia Collier	Thank you.
03:50:49.95	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you.
03:50:50.66	Sophia Collier	Thank you.
03:50:50.69	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah, thank you all. This is awesome. This is really fun and exciting and really, really smart. Thank you.
03:50:50.95	Sophia Collier	Thank you all. This is awesome.
03:50:55.98	Mr. St. Clair	I have one question and then pass it over to the vice mayor. Sophia or Ms. Collier, I had a question for you.
03:51:03.06	Mr. St. Clair	How does this...
03:51:04.97	Mr. St. Clair	interact with my question of Mr. Brown about the six standard building shapes.
03:51:08.77	Sophia Collier	Okay.
03:51:11.30	Sophia Collier	The views would be blocked, but not because of the shapes. Like, I think that his, I would not have answered his question, nor would David have answered that question in the same way he did, that certainly any shape.
03:51:25.46	Sophia Collier	could
03:51:26.35	Sophia Collier	block views depending upon its extent, but it's not the shape that's causing it, it's the size.
03:51:36.59	Mr. St. Clair	I guess my question was, and maybe you could help educate me, or maybe it's Mr. Rex's, in these objective standards, we have six building types that are objective, I think, right? But your convolution here could create a wide variety of customized envelopes that a property owner
03:51:57.16	Mr. St. Clair	would potentially like to maximize
03:51:59.54	Mr. St. Clair	the volume, but the shape might be an arc, it might be
03:52:03.26	Mr. St. Clair	a setback triangle up the hillside and if there's standard type
03:52:05.84	Sophia Collier	And if there's six standard types, then they may not. My dear design partner and faithful friend, David, answer that.
03:52:13.25	Sophia Collier	Thank you.
03:52:13.31	David Marlott	Yeah.
03:52:14.06	David Marlott	Thank you, Sophia. Yeah, if I may, and Michael, certainly feel free to chime in as well. The building shapes are not so prescriptive, so that you may have a duplex as one of the building types. The duplex simply means it is two units. It could be side by side or one over the other. It's not three units or five units. It has no commercial. So it gives certain qualities, but it's not dictating shape. Then there are form-based standards that dictate the massing of a single building, like a duplex can be maximum 36 feet wide, I believe, by 48 deep by memory. So the shape itself or the facade type isn't really going to drive whether or not building blocks of view. It's more the overall massing. The architect is still free to move roof shapes around and deal with, you know, courtyard type entries or porches or whatever they might be needed.
03:53:12.27	Mr. St. Clair	He did.
03:53:13.91	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, I'm sorry to belabor it, but if I could just ask it again in a different way. The convolution could create an envelope that is,
03:53:14.54	David Marlott	Yeah.
03:53:22.00	Mr. St. Clair	uh,
03:53:23.38	Mr. St. Clair	that an architect like you might like to build within.
03:53:26.45	Mr. St. Clair	But it wouldn't look like the neighboring buildings because it might occupy the upper left-hand corner of the lot. Its setbacks might be a little bit off-center, and it might have these sort of triangular features that don't fit in with the boxy features of the buildings next to it.
03:53:43.92	Mr. St. Clair	That's exactly right. Would that be a problem or is that allowed?
03:53:43.98	David Marlott	That's exactly right.
03:53:45.25	David Marlott	THE FAMILY.
03:53:47.07	David Marlott	speaking as an architect, no. But the odds, and Bob can also speak to this as well, they just provide
03:53:57.48	David Marlott	certain fences and limits about, you know, the wall can be only so long before it's has an offset or setbacks have to be respected, but it doesn't say that a building can't have a curvilinear roof shape, for example, or can't be triangular. Now, the historic preservation district, of course, there's a different story. But in elsewhere in Sausalito, it's not really prescribing shape per se, it's certain other qualities and massing restrictions.
03:54:24.28	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, so it sounds like these odds would allow you to use that envelope. Yes.
03:54:30.05	David Marlott	Yes, to the fullest extent possible. Thank you.
03:54:35.57	Council member Kelman	Thank you. We talked about, there were some asks of us tonight. So I wanted to ask Sophia, you heard Bob Brown say that he thinks that we need to
03:54:48.11	Council member Kelman	that we need to
03:54:52.56	Council member Kelman	prove that the ESRI system works and it must be tested and passed testing prior to ordinance adoption. So what is your
03:55:03.85	Council member Kelman	rough order of timing in terms of if we were to say tomorrow, go spend between 10 and $50,000, how long would it take you to do
03:55:15.16	Council member Kelman	Um,
03:55:16.52	Council member Kelman	collaborate to develop and test the Esri View Sync system.
03:55:21.00	Sophia Collier	Okay, I think that the...
03:55:23.85	Sophia Collier	Obviously, be working closely with Brandon on this contracting effort and that there are some legal dimensions of it, too. So those would need to be carefully considered.
03:55:33.20	Sophia Collier	So, for example, the
03:55:35.16	Sophia Collier	accuracy, how, whether we're licensing it or whether we own it. So there's some legal details and Sergio has discussed those with us. But putting those to the side,
03:55:45.60	Sophia Collier	I believe that this can, this, what we're, we've done a lot of work already. We've already written up specs and we've done a lot of work. So I do believe that we definitely will be able to complete this by the end of the year without fail.
03:55:58.12	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
03:55:58.38	Sophia Collier	I really
03:55:59.03	Council member Kelman	believe that.
03:56:00.91	Council member Kelman	When would you need authorization to move forward in order to complete it by the end of the year?
03:56:05.77	Sophia Collier	I think we now, I mean, I'd love to see authorization, basically direction to the staff to
03:56:11.35	Sophia Collier	I'm not sure.
03:56:12.06	Sophia Collier	engage discussions with Esri. They're ready to go.
03:56:15.59	Sophia Collier	And I'd love to participate in those meetings and bring this all the way home.
03:56:22.86	Council member Kelman	Okay, my other question concerns the...
03:56:27.10	Council member Kelman	Citywide historic inventory and I have to say Vicki has been pushing for that ever since I've been on the Planning Commission.
03:56:34.00	Council member Kelman	She welcomed me on my first day.
03:56:36.16	Council member Kelman	to the Planning Commission in 2008, and she's been pushing for this ever since then. So
03:56:41.46	Council member Kelman	What is the cost to the city for updating the citywide historic inventory?
03:56:48.49	Vicki Nichols	They generally can be up to about $200,000. But I have been working with
03:56:56.44	Vicki Nichols	I don't want to say the firm because I don't have any authority to make any agreements with them, obviously. But I've gotten a very high-level proposal from a very well-respected architectural firm
03:57:09.50	Vicki Nichols	historic company in San Francisco
03:57:12.88	Vicki Nichols	And we could do this. They would do this, including all the public outreach meetings, because you do need to engage the public in a project like this. They would do it, train about four people. And by that, we would use GPS phones to do the walking. If you have to pay for more. Anyway, we could get it down to 50 grand from about 120. And I've got at least two volunteers that will help do it with us.
03:57:40.72	Council member Kelman	Thank you. Those are my questions, ma'am.
03:57:45.45	Melissa Blaustein	Did Council Member Hoffman have her hand raised? I think it's been raised before mine for a long time.
03:57:48.94	Mr. St. Clair	I'm sorry, I didn't see your hand up there. I can't see it.
03:57:50.80	Melissa Blaustein	when you're hopping it off.
03:57:51.94	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, it's whatever.
03:57:52.96	Mr. St. Clair	Go right ahead. You can go before Council Member Blasting.
03:57:55.77	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay.
03:57:56.77	Councilmember Hoffman	Thanks. I'm still a little perplexed on this height limit that I talked about with Director Phipps on the last presentation. So I'm not understanding why the proposed height for the two sites on the north end of town are four stories and it's called out in this presentation as opposed to in our housing element update.
03:58:20.97	Councilmember Hoffman	So it's a little bit confusing because it's not apparent in
03:58:26.79	Mr. St. Clair	Ms. Collier is coming to the podium to...
03:58:28.51	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
03:58:28.60	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah.
03:58:29.32	Sophia Collier	You know, I'm going to...
03:58:32.36	Sophia Collier	kind of spitball here, but one of the things that we've done is we've really tried to look at a lot of the projects like creating this little model. This little massing model and doing this view seg analysis model we've actually looked at quite a few of the housing element sites and and so much of it what determines the height is the design so as we've seen today.
03:58:55.99	Sophia Collier	when we're looking at 29
03:58:58.31	Sophia Collier	units per acre. Obviously, that's going to be a flatter, lower project. If we're looking at
03:59:04.61	Sophia Collier	70 units per acre we're looking at projects unless this is a we're looking at projects that are going to be higher
03:59:10.57	Sophia Collier	So that's one of the considerations that in looking at the housing element,
03:59:16.18	Sophia Collier	areas.
03:59:17.11	Sophia Collier	is whether you want to have 70.
03:59:19.20	Sophia Collier	But if you're going to go with 70, you're going to get – you're going to – unless the units are fairly small, you're going to get higher projects. And that's where – like I look at it and I look on Bridgeway, those underutilized office parks, I think those are great sites for it, and they potentially could be taller. But I think that –
03:59:41.61	Sophia Collier	The key thing to the...
03:59:43.30	Sophia Collier	to this height.
03:59:44.85	Sophia Collier	is the mass, the cubic mass that's being contemplated.
03:59:50.29	Sophia Collier	So that's the answer.
03:59:50.66	Angela Garcia	That's it.
03:59:53.19	Sophia Collier	I don't know if that's adequate.
03:59:55.00	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah.
03:59:56.92	Councilmember Hoffman	It's a little confusing because it's not, if somebody is trying to figure out what's going on with the height limits, it should be in the housing element update part. I don't think it should be in the odds because you have to prove it in the housing element
04:00:09.98	Councilmember Hoffman	before you even consider it, I think, in the odds.
04:00:12.97	Councilmember Hoffman	It's just a
04:00:13.25	Director Phipps	If I may take a...
04:00:15.35	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah.
04:00:15.75	Director Phipps	kind of attempted answering that question from a different perspective. I think, and thank you for the question, council member, I think it's an important one. You know, what you're getting at at the moment is the kind of inextricable tie-in that the housing element has with the objective standards that underlie the entire city. So when I think about the housing element, I think of it primarily as a process associated with allocating densities to certain heights, to certain sites around the city. And the odds... housing element, I think of it primarily as a process associated with allocating densities to certain heights, to certain sites around the city. And the odds is a complement to that process as it overlays standards that must be met to meet compliance associated with those densities. So they are separate documents. However, they are kind of inextricably tied together and complementary of one another.
04:00:45.07	Unknown	And the
04:01:04.28	Councilmember Hoffman	I think that I think, I mean, we can talk about this in discussion, but I think to make it clear that you should have it
04:01:11.44	Councilmember Hoffman	called out somewhere in the housing element update when you're talking about those sites that there's a proposal through the odds presentation that this these sites be extended to four stories instead of just three because otherwise
04:01:26.86	Councilmember Hoffman	It's not apparent from the documents, I don't think.
04:01:29.58	Director Phipps	I'd be happy to review that document to find a place where that language would be appropriate.
04:01:35.13	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, okay, thank you. I think that'd be helpful. And also my next question was, did we get an estimate for how much the ESRI system was gonna cost or is that the next step?
04:01:44.03	Council member Kelman	10 and 50.
04:01:44.97	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
04:01:45.04	Council member Kelman	thousand dollars
04:01:46.93	Sophia Collier	One of the things that I also want to mention that is a outcome of doing the ESRI portion of this project and creating the digital model is that you will be able to model exactly what the projects that you're looking at are.
04:02:00.43	Sophia Collier	So in terms of Council Member Hoffman, if you are looking to find out how tall
04:02:06.20	Sophia Collier	are we really talking about at the Altamira site? How tall are we talking about at site 301, et cetera?
04:02:13.05	Sophia Collier	you will be able to ask Brandon and get an actual little form
04:02:17.86	Sophia Collier	that shows what it will be. And then you can really have information
04:02:21.91	Sophia Collier	to do it. I really think what we need is a mapping
04:02:26.20	Sophia Collier	approach to understanding what we're doing because then the community can understand it.
04:02:30.79	Sophia Collier	there will be true information for the council to have and consider
04:02:35.85	Sophia Collier	That's objective and obvious.
04:02:39.02	Councilmember Hoffman	Okay. Yeah, thank you. I think it's really super interesting and
04:02:45.01	Councilmember Hoffman	You know, if it's only if it's only
04:02:48.05	Councilmember Hoffman	whatever, $10,000 to $50,000, and I think it's probably, right?
04:02:51.97	Councilmember Hoffman	a really, really great tool, especially if HCD accepts it.
04:02:58.61	Councilmember Hoffman	So anyway.
04:02:59.68	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
04:02:59.74	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you. Thank you for your heart. We're blasting. We really would like to take public comment. So go ahead.
04:03:06.82	Melissa Blaustein	Okay.
04:03:07.76	Melissa Blaustein	I.
04:03:08.65	Melissa Blaustein	This is great, by the way. Thank you very much for all of your hard work and volunteer time put into this effort. It's really exciting to see Sausalito being a leader in technology. I just wanted to get an understanding, and I've asked you about this, Sophia, but just so that we're clear, because, Bob, you mentioned the concern around odds with respect to density bonuses, and I know that we've touched a little bit on how this would apply. Could you just speak to that briefly before we take public comments?
04:03:34.94	Sophia Collier	I mean, as we've discussed before, that really the density bonus is a feature of the
04:03:41.90	Sophia Collier	The housing laws so projects that have the affordability criteria are entitled to density bonuses, so that is something that you have to remember when you set those how many per acre it's going to be because you have to imagine it's going to be the maximum.
04:04:00.53	Sophia Collier	Now, in many instances, it may not be because people might want to just build ultra luxury properties or find small amounts of affordability in there. So it's hard to know what the private sector has to do this. So we, as in serving our government, we at our community, we have to try to.
04:04:17.37	Sophia Collier	think what is the maximum it would be.
04:04:20.61	Sophia Collier	That's why the historic inventory is so critical.
04:04:24.20	Sophia Collier	to document our historic properties. That is one of the antidotes to the bonus density
04:04:29.98	Sophia Collier	is a specific adverse effect on historic property.
04:04:33.55	Sophia Collier	So if it has that, then it's not eligible.
04:04:37.30	Melissa Blaustein	Thank you. I really appreciate it.
04:04:39.88	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, we'd like, is it quick, Mr. Reck?
04:04:42.02	Michael Rex	Thank you.
04:04:42.44	Mr. St. Clair	.
04:04:43.32	Michael Rex	All right.
04:04:45.94	Michael Rex	Two things. As an architect, I'm excited about this because I think it's going to improve our planning effort. We'll have a tool we never had before. We used to have to put up story poles and then find out they're too big and then move them, and we could spend $20,000 to $50,000 on story poles.
04:05:03.35	Michael Rex	This would get us there a lot quicker to understand impacts. The other thing is I wanted to respond directly to your question that you raised, Mayor, that what if the odds restricts development rights and reduces flora or density beyond what is allowed?
04:05:23.89	Michael Rex	And we,
04:05:25.39	Michael Rex	We're very concerned about that, and we address that head on.
04:05:28.94	Michael Rex	with what we call the fail-safe.
04:05:30.94	Michael Rex	approach.
04:05:32.14	Michael Rex	which for some reason didn't make it into the current revised draft that you see.
04:05:37.85	Michael Rex	We don't understand why.
04:05:39.68	Michael Rex	The failsafe approach was that
04:05:41.83	Michael Rex	if a developer can demonstrate that
04:05:44.75	Michael Rex	application of view protection or any of the odd standards.
04:05:49.52	Michael Rex	reduces the density or development opportunities or intensity use on the property, then at 5% increments, they get relief from those standards. In other words, they keep adjusting until it could be demonstrated that they're not diminished in their development rights. We think that's an important tool. We think that should be part of the odds.
04:06:17.59	Michael Rex	and for some reason it's not, and we need more dialogue on that.
04:06:21.65	Michael Rex	The last thing I'll mention is that
04:06:23.63	Michael Rex	David said
04:06:26.14	Michael Rex	Remember when he annotated the Planning Commission's odds with 100 notes?
04:06:31.12	Michael Rex	He just did the same thing for this draft.
04:06:33.97	Michael Rex	And when this goes to the Planning Commission, I think it's going to need more refinement and more wordsmithing. Okay? Thank you, Mr. Redd.
04:06:40.98	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you, Mr. Ritz. We'll take public comment now.
04:06:44.96	Mr. St. Clair	City Clerk.
04:06:46.04	Eva	Linda Fodg.
04:06:59.10	Linda Fudge	Linda Fudge, I guess I'll say the same thing I said before, which is an objective standard based on external factors such as laws, rules, or common practices verifiable by the public and the applicant. I think it's a very interesting startup. I'm impressed to think that the city Sausalito in deficit is going to spend money to fund somebody's startup. I think you're open yourself to litigation.
04:07:31.57	Mr. St. Clair	The next person did. But there wasn't a lot of public comment.
04:07:32.29	Eva	I think I've learned a lot.
04:07:34.30	Mr. St. Clair	But please let city clerk call the city clerk.
04:07:37.52	Eva	Uh.
04:07:39.31	Eva	Lorie Schwambeck followed by Jennifer Nemo and then Stacey Nemo.
04:07:56.12	Mr. St. Clair	Mr. Collier, I'm afraid actually that because you had the presentation, you don't get to make public comment.
04:08:04.73	Mr. St. Clair	I understand. We'll follow up with the questions, but thank you.
04:08:09.22	Eva	So do we have a Lori Schwambeck here or Jennifer Nemo or Stacey Nemo?
04:08:15.76	Stacey Nemo	Stacy, if I'm here,
04:08:16.93	Eva	All right.
04:08:17.03	Stacey Nemo	All right.
04:08:20.67	Stacey Nemo	Quick comment. I think it's amazing that this group has volunteered their time to come up with such an amazing improvement to odds. I know a little bit about it. I saw the original documentation. It's massive. The year that they've put it in half is incredible. It makes it usable, makes it easily understandable for everybody, which is going to improve a lot. I think the only comment I have, the only thought I have was maybe consider solar racking, because I know in the marine ship that goes up like 8 to 10 feet sometimes on the buildings. So if you have, you know, a large building and they're going to put solar on top of it, you just want to figure out how it fits into the plan. But overall, amazing and inspiring to have a community group come up with something like that. Thank you.
04:09:04.75	Eva	Laurie Schombach?
04:09:08.60	Mr. St. Clair	Miss Schaubach?
04:09:11.09	Eva	Jennifer Nemo?
04:09:12.43	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
04:09:14.01	Eva	Thank you.
04:09:14.03	Mr. St. Clair	All right.
04:09:14.64	Eva	No further public comment.
04:09:15.68	Eva	Thank you.
04:09:15.74	Mr. St. Clair	Anyone online? No.
04:09:18.01	Mr. St. Clair	All right, we'll close public comment. Any discussion here at the Dice?
04:09:22.35	Melissa Blaustein	I can start.
04:09:23.11	Mr. St. Clair	is Councilmember Boston.
04:09:24.61	Melissa Blaustein	Thank you. I appreciate it. I just, again, want to reiterate how appreciative we are of the amount of time and effort put forth by this incredible group of community volunteers who are,
04:09:36.37	Melissa Blaustein	care deeply saw a problem thought that they could contribute so it means a lot and i think that tonight's presentation is a great demonstration of that i'm very supportive of view sync and of funding for view sync and of pursuing next steps and seeing what it's capable of not just for our housing element and our odds but i'm really excited about how we might use it for disaster preparedness planning and sea level rise as was noted by council member kelman and i would also be supportive of pursuing an index of our historic buildings so that we can reinforce the odds more effectively again it's it's important to note that we will still be challenged with uh requirements from the state that will limit the capabilities of the enforcement of some of these odds at times but I am confident that the hard work put forth by this group will make a huge dent in what the footprint of our community looks like so direction to staff is to be supportive of the path for view sync and and consideration of the historic context and I'm in approval of the recommendations of the group as well.
04:10:42.79	Mr. St. Clair	Councilmember Hoffman.
04:10:47.17	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you. Yeah, I'm also supportive of moving forward, but I think we need to have, before we invest in the system, I think we need to have an indication from HCD whether or not it's gonna be acceptable or not.
04:11:01.85	Councilmember Hoffman	And I think it seems to me that this presentation that we had with regard to the objective standards is pretty clear and to me seems, you know,
04:11:15.90	Councilmember Hoffman	pretty clear presentation by what they've come up with.
04:11:19.34	Councilmember Hoffman	and whether or not it will be acceptable to HCD. But I think we need to have that indication before we invest.
04:11:24.76	Councilmember Hoffman	um,
04:11:26.25	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, a substantial amount of money in the program only to find out that they're not going to allow us to use it.
04:11:32.47	Councilmember Hoffman	in the way that we need to use it.
04:11:34.03	Councilmember Hoffman	The second thing is the historic inventory, 100% support that. We just need to get that done. That's been on our plate. And a lot of our properties or historic assets are vulnerable because we haven't finished our inventory yet. So I think that's the higher priority actually. Number priority number one is making sure this is something that would be acceptable to HCD, or at least not flat out unacceptable, and then get the historic inventory started and get it done.
04:11:49.42	Unknown	Number one,
04:12:04.74	Councilmember Kelman	I'll jump in there.
04:12:05.57	Councilmember Kelman	Councilmember?
04:12:05.57	Unknown	Councilmember?
04:12:05.92	Councilmember Hoffman	with.
04:12:06.17	Councilmember Kelman	Yep. So I'm going to also claim 15 years being lobbied by Vicky.
04:12:12.62	Councilmember Kelman	Yes, absolutely. The historic inventory, long overdue. May I suggest if it is available to us that this group go in and pitch HCD?
04:12:22.39	Councilmember Kelman	I think they'd be very interested to see how some of their thinking can and should evolve
04:12:27.10	Councilmember Kelman	And if we can get some type of not just agreement, like go in and blow their socks off about a tool that makes everybody's jobs and goal setting easier and clearer and literally more objective. I think there's some good grant money out there. I've seen very good grant money. Brandon, we should hear from you at a later date about how budget is looking in your department, what the potential cost savings might be, and is there an ROI to be made? And if not, I suggest that their grant monies be looked at more closely. I did want to pick up one thing that Councilmember Hoffman mentioned, which is there is still this disconnect in the housing element with the odds. And some of that we encountered today with
04:13:08.56	Councilmember Kelman	how high will the building be and what does it really mean to have
04:13:11.82	Councilmember Kelman	70 units per acre, 49 units per acre. It's very difficult for the community to really observe that and understand that. And so if we learned anything today, that if you can better illustrate that and help really make the case for that, it helps everybody understand what's happening in the housing element. And so, yeah, I just want to note that comment and make sure that that shows up, particularly when I think in that presentation we see 32 inches, 32 inches, and then it shifts. People just don't really know what that means for something that gets approved, particularly with the state density bonus laws.
04:13:50.24	Councilmember Kelman	Thank you, everybody, for staying so late.
04:13:55.29	Mr. St. Clair	Did you have anything?
04:13:58.66	Council member Kelman	Um,
04:14:00.67	Council member Kelman	Many of you don't know that there was a mayor's blue ribbon committee in 2018 on which Michael Rex, Melissa Blaustein, I, and two others served.
04:14:10.69	Council member Kelman	And we started this process of trying to put together objective standards, objective design review standards, before the state even required that we do so. And so it's so satisfying to see this effort getting close to fruition. And I want to thank Michael Rex for, you know, really providing thoughtful comments to us back in March on the initial draft odds for recruiting volunteers for the effort to really meet 98 times in three months in order to accomplish this extraordinary task within a very constrained
04:14:48.46	Council member Kelman	Timeline.
04:14:49.73	Council member Kelman	Many thanks to David Marlott for his constant and incessant wordsmithing, literally editing every line of every odds draft. To Sophia Collier, who spent $4,000 of her own money to purchase the Esri software so that she could put together this mock-up that we saw this evening, and all of the endless time spent by the other volunteers on this group. In terms of direction to staff, I also support updating the citywide historic inventory. So that's at least three of us tonight who have said we support that. I'd like to see that start moving forward immediately.
04:15:28.61	Council member Kelman	I support investing in the Esri software. I think we need to do it on a parallel path.
04:15:35.31	Council member Kelman	with reaching out to HCD. So I would like, I do endorse having Sophia on a subcommittee that helps us reach out to HCD. Okay.
04:15:45.99	Council member Kelman	to gain their endorsement of this approach, but I don't think it's a huge amount of money to spend. And we've been successful in being trailblazers with HCD,
04:15:58.36	Council member Kelman	in the past.
04:16:00.03	Council member Kelman	in 2010,
04:16:01.34	Council member Kelman	HCD and the US Census considered liveaboards to be transients and we convinced the US Census to transform their category to residents and then we persuaded HCD to accept them as units of housing for purposes of our housing element.
04:16:23.84	Council member Kelman	We have a track record of success, and I'm optimistic we can do the same.
04:16:28.04	Council member Kelman	with this groundbreaking
04:16:29.73	Council member Kelman	Technology.
04:16:31.13	Council member Kelman	um,
04:16:32.65	Council member Kelman	I endorse clarifying in the housing element that 70 units per acre will require up to four stories. The main reason for that is size of units, HCD. HCD.
04:16:43.97	Council member Kelman	is mad at us for making our minimum size 750 square feet instead of even larger. We actually insisted on 750 as the Community Development Director mentioned earlier.
04:16:58.23	Council member Kelman	in order to assure affordability. But in order to accommodate the minimum size for these units at a
04:17:10.24	Council member Kelman	density of 70 units per acre using the size calculations, it appears that it will likely require up to four stories. I am very interested to hear about the failsafe approach that was deleted from the draft odds. I had asked that we see the draft odds as it came from the committee, not the
04:17:31.84	Council member Kelman	Edited and so I'm
04:17:34.14	Council member Kelman	disappointed to hear that we didn't actually get to see the work product of the committee.
04:17:39.54	Council member Kelman	that the failsafe approach was deleted. So I'm interested to understand why that happened. It may be that it happened because instead of giving back
04:17:49.65	Council member Kelman	5% increments. The alternative is that if you are unhappy with the outcome of the odds, or you want more flexibility,
04:17:59.17	Council member Kelman	the applicant can go through a discretionary design review process. So perhaps that's the reason
04:18:06.22	Council member Kelman	for it being deleted, but I would like to hear back from staff regarding
04:18:10.84	Council member Kelman	why that happened and what, if anything else, was removed from
04:18:15.20	Council member Kelman	the draft odds prepared by our very hardworking volunteers.
04:18:22.08	Council member Kelman	And I agree that we need to figure out how solar fits into all of this, because everybody knows that anybody can build solar without requiring
04:18:31.80	Council member Kelman	any kind of approval. And so I agree that we need to evaluate that. But really great job, everybody. Thank you so much for your efforts in this regard.
04:18:41.96	Mr. St. Clair	So it sounds like there's consensus to direct staff to move forward with the historic inventory and get a quote to bring back to us the same thing with the ESRI software. There's a direction to see if the peer group would approach ACD and make a presentation and get feedback, shaking your head. Not interested in that. Well, somebody should, that's the request. Well,
04:19:10.44	Councilmember Kelman	We need HCV to buy off on this.
04:19:11.39	Mr. St. Clair	CARRIE.
04:19:13.74	Mr. St. Clair	on this.
04:19:14.50	Council member Kelman	We need HCD to approve on this. I'm happy to reach out to eight. I know Melinda Coy, personally, I am happy to help reach out.
04:19:16.43	Councilmember Kelman	to approve on this.
04:19:20.38	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah, it doesn't need to be the community. It's just...
04:19:21.89	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
04:19:21.90	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
04:19:22.38	Mr. St. Clair	So maybe, maybe.
04:19:26.21	Council member Kelman	Okay, well, we're giving direction so that we can get authority to spend $50,000
04:19:26.63	Mr. St. Clair	We're giving directions.
04:19:31.32	Council member Kelman	so that we can have this software developed by the end of the year.
04:19:34.49	Council member Kelman	One of our fellow council members
04:19:37.16	Council member Kelman	wants to be sure that HCD buys off on it before we invest that money, I understand
04:19:42.54	Council member Kelman	that concern. And so I would like to
04:19:44.75	Council member Kelman	Proceed on a parallel path.
04:19:46.96	Council member Kelman	to obtain HCD approval and to proceed.
04:19:50.71	Angela Garcia	here but still
04:19:51.99	Council member Kelman	But we don't take public comment after we've closed public comment. So we can caucus with you offline. I don't want to be disrespectful of all of your efforts, but we can absolutely caucus further about this offline.
04:20:04.38	Mr. St. Clair	So it sounds like you, Vice Mayor, with perhaps a colleague from the City Council, will coordinate on reaching out to HCD and use the resources of anyone else who's available. I concur about it.
04:20:19.21	Mr. St. Clair	wanting to have seen the actual recommendations from the peer group, including this fail safe approach. So thank you for highlighting that Mr. Rex, and maybe we can direct staff to bring, put that back in. And we said historic inventory and I guess that's it. That's all the direction, right? Anything I missed?
04:20:35.93	Council member Kelman	I want to understand solar.
04:20:37.94	Council member Kelman	And I also want to clarify in the housing element that 70 units per acre could require up to four stories. I don't think it should only be in the odds. I think it needs to be in the housing element as well.
04:20:38.06	Mr. St. Clair	I'm sorry.
04:20:38.31	Mr. St. Clair	I also want to.
04:20:44.20	Council member Hoffman	Thank you.
04:20:44.22	Mr. St. Clair	I don't know.
04:20:44.32	Council member Hoffman	Thank you.
04:20:48.17	Mr. St. Clair	If there's no objection to the vice mayor's direction, then that will be all of ours.
04:20:51.80	Councilmember Kelman	Yeah, and I just want to make sure you missed one thing. I would love for Director Phipps to have a business case for the streamlined aspects of this and for supporting whatever the amount might be, potentially, to build this out. I think we need to see...
04:21:06.71	Councilmember Kelman	that business case looks like.
04:21:08.69	Mr. St. Clair	any objection to that addition as well. So Director Phipps, it's to actually...
04:21:12.97	Mr. St. Clair	If you had this tool, you're going to have to run it. Is it net positive to the city or negative?
04:21:21.26	Mr. St. Clair	All right, that's it on the direction.
04:21:21.82	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
04:21:21.90	Angela Garcia	the direction.
04:21:22.42	Angela Garcia	Okay.
04:21:22.58	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
04:21:22.68	Mr. St. Clair	you're not.
04:21:22.80	Council member Kelman	And I also want to see if we can get cost recovery for the cost of the software, since every applicant will benefit from it.
04:21:30.15	Mr. St. Clair	that further direction.
04:21:33.36	Unknown	Mayor, if I may.
04:21:35.74	Unknown	Yes, sir.
04:21:36.36	Unknown	You've closed public comment. Is that what I understand? Yes.
04:21:41.68	Mr. St. Clair	You're allowed to say something, though.
04:21:43.45	Unknown	Question. Thank you.
04:21:49.04	Mr. St. Clair	Okay. Then this item we're done with. Congratulations on this long journey. Kudos. It's an inspiration, truly, and the definition of community engagement.
04:22:01.24	Mr. St. Clair	So we have five C and D that we have to take public comment on. I presume we don't want to act on either one. No.
04:22:10.75	Melissa Blaustein	No.
04:22:12.14	Melissa Blaustein	tonight.
04:22:14.25	Mr. St. Clair	So 5C is the introduction and waiver of first reading of ordinance number 5, 2024, an ordinance of the city council of the city's oscillator repealing or replacing chapter 3.30 purchase of supplies, equipment, services, procedures for public works projects. Is anyone here to comment on this item?
04:22:37.25	Eva	We have on zoom.
04:22:38.51	Mr. St. Clair	You have someone on Zoom? All right. I bet McGugle. He's McGugle. Please go ahead.
04:22:46.58	Beth McDougal	Can you hear me okay?
04:22:48.30	Mr. St. Clair	Yes, we can.
04:22:49.43	Beth McDougal	Great. So I actually am surprised at the way this whole thing is playing out. Once again, instead of bringing the public along with you during this whole exercise, you wait until tonight to spring it on everybody. And now you don't even want to hear the whole thing through.
04:23:05.73	Beth McDougal	Because it's getting late.
04:23:07.47	Beth McDougal	And I just have to take issue with the way this whole thing is being conducted.
04:23:11.88	Beth McDougal	So yes, I think
04:23:13.48	Beth McDougal	In a general sense, there are many things to say thank you for your service on. But this three member voting bloc that has controlled this council and its actions for now this year and last, you are driving us in a direction that is dangerous to Sausalito's future. So while you may give platitudes.
04:23:32.68	Beth McDougal	to thinking in the best interest of the people.
04:23:35.30	Beth McDougal	you turn right around and circumvent their opportunity to participate more fully.
04:23:40.65	Beth McDougal	I really urge you, especially seeing so many new faces tonight, to be encouraged to rethink the wisdom of reintroducing, sorry,
04:23:49.88	Beth McDougal	real small d democracy back into the Sausalito public policy process. Thanks very much.
04:23:59.19	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you for your comment. I just have a question for colleagues. Is this issue at all something we need to really discuss for this waiver, or is it?
04:24:08.31	Mr. St. Clair	pro forma that we can move forward with it. I don't know how much consensus there is on 5C, because we've had this first reading on our agenda several times.
04:24:17.00	Council member Kelman	I'm prepared to approve it. I gave my key back.
04:24:19.66	Mr. St. Clair	Does anyone have an objection?
04:24:20.59	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
04:24:20.69	Mr. St. Clair	It's just the first.
04:24:22.33	Mr. St. Clair	Does anyone have a rejection? I mean, it seems performer to me. And so I would just.
04:24:28.27	Mr. St. Clair	make a motion to approve this
04:24:30.24	Council member Kelman	Second.
04:24:32.86	Eva	Councilmember Blasting? Yes. Councilmember Hoffman?
04:24:35.32	Councilmember Hoffman	Yes.
04:24:41.25	Councilmember Hoffman	Can you come back to me? I'm just reading. I mean, I'm just trying to look and see what the recommended motion is. So hang on. If you can come back to me.
04:24:51.00	Angela Garcia	Introduced by Carol Boney.
04:24:53.89	Sergio	good.
04:24:54.32	Councilmember Hoffman	Here comes Sergio.
04:24:56.21	Sergio	Yeah, no, the recommended motion, and I believe the motion made by
04:25:01.31	Sergio	on the floor for voting is to introduce the ordinance by title only and waive the first reading of ordinance number 05-2022.
04:25:07.52	Sergio	2024, an ordinance to the City Council of the City of Sausalito repealing and replacing Chapter 330, Purchase of Supplies, Equipment, Services, and Procedures for Public Works Projects, and Amending Section 208.160, Purchasing Duty.
04:25:23.28	Councilmember Hoffman	Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out.
04:25:29.03	Sergio	And I'm happy to answer any questions about the ordinance.
04:25:31.06	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, I'm not trying to I just You know, sorry. I just What I know that I know what we're voting on.
04:25:36.51	Council member Kelman	I'm trying to figure out what I know
04:25:37.71	Council member Kelman	I know.
04:25:39.85	Council member Kelman	It's been, this is the third time it's been on our agenda.
04:25:43.45	Council member Kelman	So yeah.
04:25:43.73	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, I realize that, but it's 12, almost midnight, and I'm just trying to figure out
04:25:49.15	Councilmember Hoffman	you know, what it is that we're voting on.
04:25:52.14	Council member Kelman	In the staff report, there's a redlined version that shows what the redactions and revisions are. That's in pages, it's in exhibit A.
04:26:06.80	Sergio	And additionally, there are changes to Section 208.160 to revise the purchasing duty to also make the city manager responsible for signing contracts where the council orders him to sign the contract.
04:26:28.49	Councilmember Hoffman	So there's a motion and a second.
04:26:30.59	Councilmember Hoffman	we're in the middle of staying. I'll just abstain. You guys can go ahead. Cause I'm just trying to, I mean, I knew it's been on the third time, but,
04:26:31.94	Angela Garcia	Thank you.
04:26:35.49	Eva	Sure.
04:26:37.77	Eva	Fair enough.
04:26:39.42	Councilmember Hoffman	Thank you.
04:26:39.44	Eva	PB, Harmon Zuckerman, Yeah, sorry. PB, Harmon Zuckerman, Member coming
04:26:39.47	Councilmember Hoffman	Yeah, sorry.
04:26:40.13	Councilmember Kelman	you
04:26:41.87	Councilmember Kelman	Yes.
04:26:43.05	Eva	Vice Mayor Cox.
04:26:44.28	Eva	Thank you.
04:26:44.30	Councilmember Kelman	Yes.
04:26:45.28	Mr. St. Clair	and mayor sobieski yes motion carries uh four to one uh four to zero and one abstention item 5d is introduction a waiver of the first reading of ordinance 624 an ordinance the city council of the city of south lea repealing chapters 2.32 redevelopment agency 5.16 handbills and circulars 5.20 miniature golf courses 5.24 secondhand goods 5.28 operation of gasoline service stations 11.08 residential development review 13.12 fortune telling palmo street and similar practices and 17.20 street numbering of associated municipal code uh
04:27:22.81	Mr. St. Clair	City Attorney, I just want to summarize the cleanup nature of these ordinances in 30 seconds.
04:27:28.83	Sergio	Sure. So
04:27:31.08	Sergio	This ordinance comes to the City Council as part of our overall risk management strategy. There are a number of provisions in the City Code, including whole chapters, which have been
04:27:44.02	Sergio	established decades, sometimes centuries ago, and which have not seen any use or enforcement by the city. However, they are still on the books, and I do recommend that they be repealed.
04:27:56.52	Sergio	David Larson, M.D.: Chapter 232 is the first one. This establishes the city's redevelopment agency. Of course, in 2011 the state began the process of dissolving the ability of cities to have redevelopment agencies. The current chapter is
04:28:11.29	Sergio	has no function other than to create a redevelopment agency, which the city can no longer have. Chapter 516 deals with regulations of hand-billing and pamphleting in the city and requires the city
04:28:25.23	Sergio	requires anybody who wants to undertake those activities to obtain a license from the city and post a bond. That violates the First Amendment based on 100 years of case law since that was enacted in 1937. Chapter 520 regulates the establishment of miniature golf courses.
04:28:42.56	Sergio	Since that chapter was established in 1930, the city has enacted comprehensive zoning, which eliminates most of the need for that chapter.
04:28:49.56	Sergio	Chapter 524, secondhand goods, was enacted in 1917. It regulates the sale of secondhand goods in the city.
04:28:56.93	Sergio	Unfortunately, it is very much out of date and may prevent people from being able to sell things like their own car.
04:29:04.07	Sergio	So I would recommend that chapter be repealed as well.
04:29:07.75	Sergio	Chapter 528, operational gasoline service stations. Again, the city has enacted different provisions in its zoning code to regulate the operation of those uses. Chapter 1108, residential development review. This chapter arises out of a collective planning effort from the 1960s where various
04:29:29.35	Sergio	towns as well as Southern Marin County tried to do collective planning.
04:29:34.04	Sergio	Um,
04:29:35.36	Sergio	of residential developments
04:29:38.13	Sergio	That effort has been abandoned and the other participating agencies have repealed their city codes on this.
04:29:43.90	Sergio	Um,
04:29:44.83	Sergio	Chapter 1312 regulates and prohibits for fortune telling and palmistry in the city. This issue has been litigated and the California Supreme Court has indicated that cities cannot impose wholesale bans. So I would also recommend that that chapter be repealed. And lastly, Chapter 1720 street numbering.
04:30:08.57	Sergio	This regulates street numbering the chapters from 1938. This issue has
04:30:13.87	Sergio	been addressed in the California Building Code and California Fire Code. So I would recommend that we repeal that chapter as well.
04:30:20.58	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, any questions?
04:30:23.08	Mr. St. Clair	Can we open public comment, please? Let's receive it quick.
04:30:26.73	Eva	Anybody in the house? All right. Nobody online?
04:30:31.17	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, we'll close public comment.
04:30:33.11	Mr. St. Clair	Is there a motion?
04:30:33.95	Council member Kelman	Mayor, I recommend we introduce by title only and make first reading of Ordinance No. 06-2024, an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito, Repealing Chapters 2.32, 5.16, 5.20, 5.24, 5.28, 11.08, 13.12, and 17.20 of the Sausalito Municipal Code.
04:30:56.41	Council member Kelman	Thank you.
04:30:56.46	Mr. St. Clair	Second. Okay. Motion made and seconded. Please call the roll, Mr. City Clerk.
04:31:01.22	Unknown	Can't remember Blastin?
04:31:02.18	Unknown	Thank you.
04:31:02.72	Unknown	Yes. Councilmember Hoffman?
04:31:04.46	Mr. St. Clair	Yes.
04:31:04.71	Vivian Wall	Thank you.
04:31:04.76	Eva	Thank you.
04:31:04.78	Unknown	Thank you.
04:31:05.35	Eva	Councilmember Kelman. Yes. Vice Mayor Cox. Yes. And Mayor Sobieski.
04:31:07.80	Vivian Wall	Thank you.
04:31:07.82	Unknown	Thank you.
04:31:07.83	Mr. St. Clair	Yes.
04:31:08.12	Vivian Wall	Thanks.
04:31:09.93	Mr. St. Clair	Yes.
04:31:10.52	Mr. St. Clair	We will now move on to communications for items not on the agenda. This is an opportunity for members of the public to provide comments on any items not on the agenda. Is there anyone who wishes to make public comments?
04:31:20.46	Eva	Anybody in-house?
04:31:22.01	Eva	I,
04:31:22.15	Beth McDougal	Thank you.
04:31:22.25	Eva	online by Beth McDougal.
04:31:27.76	Beth McDougal	Well, I'll bet you're glad to hear from me again.
04:31:31.34	Beth McDougal	So listen, I just want to say a couple of things going back to U.S. Government 101.
04:31:37.32	Beth McDougal	You know, as we have five
04:31:39.66	Beth McDougal	individuals who have gone through a great deal of soul searching, not to mention their pocketbooks, to stand for election.
04:31:47.42	Beth McDougal	I believe we need to draw the distinction between pep rallies at campaign rallies versus candidates' forums. I've now attended two candidates' forums where certain of you show up with your pep squads. That is so inappropriate. All five people deserve the same respect, dignity, and decorum that we have traditionally come to expect for all of our people running for public office. And our city council is no exception. So I'd like to encourage you to not bring the cheering fans to the council debates in the future, but by all means, bring them out in spades for your campaign rallies. They are two different animals.
04:32:30.49	Beth McDougal	And with that, I just want to say my very best wishes to all of you as we go forward toward the election.
04:32:36.85	Beth McDougal	I think it's wonderful to have as fair fight as possible. And that's what I look forward to and always support. So thank you for stepping up. That's all I really wanted to say. Thank you.
04:32:48.43	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you.
04:32:49.54	Mr. St. Clair	Any other public comment?
04:32:50.65	Eva	No further public comment.
04:32:51.90	Mr. St. Clair	closed comment. Are there any council member committee reports?
04:32:58.77	Mr. St. Clair	Nope. Okay. We will close that city manager.
04:33:02.64	Unknown	Yeah.
04:33:03.23	Unknown	Mayor, Councilman, members of the public, put it in your agenda packet as an agenda and travel and training summary. That concludes my report. Thank you.
04:33:12.61	Mr. St. Clair	Thank you. Any future agenda items to add?
04:33:17.65	Mr. St. Clair	All right, we'll close that and we'll take public comment on any of the items that we just heard.
04:33:17.79	Eva	All right.
04:33:21.67	Mr. St. Clair	Mr. St. Clair.
04:33:22.72	Eva	See none.
04:33:24.93	Mr. St. Clair	Okay, we'll close public comment, and that will be the end of the evening. Thank you for bearing with us. Good night. We're adjourned.
04:33:33.80	Mr. St. Clair	Thanks, Gerard. Dig and deep.
04:33:39.32	Mr. St. Clair	Yeah.

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