City Council Jun 18, 2024

City Council Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:00:08	None: None	Mayor Sobieski announced the commencement of the meeting held on June 18, 2024, at the council chambers located at 420 Little Street. The meeting is accessible to staff and the public via Zoom and is being broadcast live on the city's website and cable TV channel 27.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:00:29	I: CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL - 5:30 PM	The meeting was called to order. The City Clerk noted that Councilmember Blastine would be late, arriving shortly after 7 o'clock (00:00:29). Roll call was taken, with Councilmember Blastine absent, Councilmember Hoffman present, Councilmember Kelman present, Vice Mayor Cox present, and Mayor Sobieski present (00:00:41).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:00:53	II.: INTERVIEWS FOR PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION	The City Council conducted interviews for the Parks & Recreation Commission. Seven candidates were interviewed: James Kavanaugh, Stacey Cray, Sonia Saltzman, Danielle Kenan, Avalon Johnson, Karina Hughes, Michelle McCullough, and Frank Millian. Each candidate was given a few minutes to introduce themselves and explain their interest in serving on the commission. Councilmembers then asked questions about their qualifications, experience, and ideas for improving parks and recreation in Sausalito. James Kavanaugh, who has worked in the city since 1979, expressed interest in building a community center at the MLK campus (00:04:26). Councilmember Kellerman inquired about his community center idea and other possible existing solutions. (00:04:02). Councilmember Cox asked about his prior involvement with the park and rec commission (00:05:43). Stacey Cray, a singer-songwriter, expressed interest in bringing musical theater to Sausalito and improving public spaces (00:07:54). A councilmember asked how to bring live performance to Sausalito (00:09:28). Cox asked about her familiarity with the Sausalito Center for the Arts (00:10:32). Sonia Saltzman, a senior program coordinator, emphasized creating inclusive spaces and making Sausalito more ADA accessible (00:11:11). Kellerman asked about her experience coordinating events (00:12:32). Cox noted her involvement with Marin Women's PAC (00:13:35). A councilmember asked about her youth outreach and connections to the school district (00:14:24). Danielle Kenan, a graphic designer, spoke about her involvement with the Sausalito Cruising Club and her passion for preserving Sausalito's history (00:15:57). A councilmember asked what she would do on the commission (00:17:13). Kellerman asked about her plans for "Keep Sausalito Salty" (00:18:01). Avalon Johnson, an avid sports enthusiast, suggested adding outdoor exercise facilities in parks (00:21:19). A councilmember inquired about capitalizing on Sausalito's aquatic activities (00:22:29). Karina Hughes discussed her involvement with Sausalito Beautiful and her background in branding and marketing (00:25:12). Kellerman asked about specific events or projects she would spearhead (00:27:36). Michelle McCullough, an entrepreneur, shared her interest in bringing film to Sausalito and her experience with event production (00:31:21). Kellerman asked about bringing the International Latino Film Festival to Sausalito (00:33:21). Cox thanked her for her participation in the teaching series (00:34:20). Frank Millian, a retired aviation professional and active sportsman, offered his perspective on expanding pickleball courts (00:35:02). Kellerman asked about building a pickleball reputation in Southern Marin and potential revenue generation (00:36:35). The council thanked all the candidates for their interest and commitment to the community, noting that the actual appointments would be made at a later meeting (00:06:36). Stella Benton was not able to make her interview time.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:39:07	III: ADJOURN TO CLOSED SESSION	The council adjourned to a closed session and indicated that the public meeting would resume at 7 p.m. (00:39:23). An announcement was made that Councilmember Blasdain would be late, and that there were no announcements from the closed session. The meeting would begin with the Pledge of Allegiance.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:39:28	IV: RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION - 7:00 PM	The meeting is reconvening to an open session at 7:00 PM.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:40:00	1: SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS/MAYOR'S ANNOUNCEMENTS	The meeting began with announcements, including the recognition of Jim Hook as the Grand Marshal for the 4th of July Parade due to his long-standing contributions to Sausalito, including his work with the Lighted Boat Parade, Sausalito Yacht Club, Chamber of Commerce, and Art Festival (00:40:18). Reason Bradley then provided an update on the Sea Lion sculpture reinstallation project (00:41:33). He detailed the restoration process, which included addressing corrosion and electrolysis issues to ensure the sculpture's longevity (00:42:00). The project also involved a complex permitting process and innovative construction methods, such as using non-conductive materials to prevent future damage (00:42:50). The pressure washing and drilling of the rocks for rebar are scheduled for the 24th and 25th of the month, with the sea lion potentially being placed back on the pedestal by July 1st (00:43:40). Mary Hudson from the Sausalito Foundation, added that the community has been hugely supportive, having raised enough funds to take care of the restoration and the installation (00:45:25). She acknowledged the support of the city staff and announced a celebration event at the Trident restaurant on July 17th (00:46:34). The Mayor reported that a complaint filed against them regarding a conflict of interest related to the Business Improvement District was rejected by the FPPC (00:47:21). A discussion then ensued regarding a motion to continue item 5C to the first meeting in July, with disagreement among councilmembers and the city attorney regarding the proper timing of the motion (00:48:10).	No Motion	1 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:45:25 Mary Hudson was In Favor: Mary Hudson, from the Sausalito Foundation, discussed the community's support for the Sea Lion restoration project. The community has raised enough funds to take care of the restoration and the installation, and also to establish long-term maintenance. She mentioned an upcoming celebration at the Trident restaurant on July 17 to commemorate the reinstallation.
00:52:13	2: ACTION MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING	The council considered the minutes from the June 4th, 2024 City Council meeting. The mayor opened the floor for public comment, first in person and then online, but there were no public comments. A councilmember made a motion to approve the minutes, which was seconded. With no further discussion, the council voted in favor of approving the minutes.	Motion to approve the minutes from the June 4th, 2024 City Council meeting, seconded and passed (00:52:36).	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:52:46	3: CONSENT CALENDAR	The council is considering the consent calendar, which includes routine and non-controversial items. The items include proclamations for June 10th National Freedom Day, Gun Violence Awareness Day, and Alzheimer's Brain Awareness Month; the reappointment of Andrew Junius to the Planning Commission; waiving the second reading and adoption of Ordinance 3-2024 regarding sewer service fees; adopting a resolution authorizing the city manager to award a construction contract to Mars Construction for the Johnson Street tenant improvement project; and receiving and filing the employee retention recruitment update. Councilman Hoffman raised concerns about the reappointment process for Andrew Junius (00:54:32). He noted inaccuracies in the staff report and questioned whether the position was properly noticed as open for applications (00:55:58). Mayor Sobieski clarified that the city website continually receives applications and there was no specific opening period (00:56:09). Councilman Hoffman requested clarification on the process for reappointments to ensure fairness and transparency (00:57:41). He requested that item 3D be pulled from the consent calendar and properly noticed (00:59:53). The council agreed to move item 3D to the business agenda (01:00:13). Vice Mayor Cox questioned the large contingency amount for the Mars construction contract (01:04:29), which was addressed by Director McGowan (01:05:06).	Motion to approve consent items 3A through 3C and 3E through 3G, excluding 3D (01:12:12). The motion was seconded (01:12:21) and passed.	5 Total: 3 In Favor 0 Against 2 Neutral
01:05:55 Jeff Jacobs was Neutral: Suggested renaming Juneteenth to Jubilee and spoke about the meaning of Jubilee in relation to freedom and forgiveness. 01:08:08 Bet MacDougall was Neutral: Reserved comments for later, understanding that comments on Mr. Junius's item would be reserved for the business item. 01:08:38 Sybil Boutillier was In Favor: Expressed appreciation for the Alzheimer's and Brain Awareness Month proclamation and highlighted the need for more support services for the elder community in Marin, including adult daycare and residential care. 01:10:19 Scott Thornburg was In Favor: Congratulated the city manager on the staff report, particularly the staff churn numbers, and urged the council to avoid staff cuts during budget discussions. 01:11:22 Sandra Bushmuth was In Favor: Thanked the council for the Alzheimer's proclamation, endorsed Sybil's comments on the need for further care in the area, and hoped to raise consciousness about the issue in Sausalito.
01:12:54	3.D: Re-Appointment of Andrew Junius to the Planning Commission for a 3-year Term, commencing on July 1, 2024, and Ending on June 30, 2027	Councilmember Hoffman expressed concerns regarding the process for reappointing members to the Planning Commission, noting a deficiency in the current process and emphasizing the need for proper noticing and solicitation of applications. (01:13:20) Vice Mayor Cox clarified that the intent was not to automatically reappoint without consideration, but to open up the application process while inviting the existing holder to reapply. (01:13:40) Hoffman requested this summary be highlighted in the minutes to ensure consistent application of the process going forward. (01:14:18) Council discussed whether to proceed with the reappointment immediately or postpone it to the next agenda. (01:14:53) The city attorney advised against appointing other individuals under the current agenda item's scope and suggested appointing Andrew Junius for a fixed term until the matter is properly addressed. (01:15:53) Councilmember Blaustein was fine with the proposal and understood that it was previously discussed. (01:17:07) Councilmember Kellerman agreed with the Vice Mayor's statements. (01:17:26)	Motion by Vice Mayor Cox to move item 3D to the consent calendar for the July 16 meeting, that the city clerk advertise the opening coming up on the Planning Commission, that he distribute to the City Council any applications received, and that they hold interviews the evening of July 16 in advance of the regular meeting, and that they reappoint Andrew Junius as a Planning Commissioner for the period commencing with July 1, the termination of his term, to July 16 July 17 2024. Seconded by Councilmember Kellerman. (01:22:13)	3 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 3 Neutral
01:17:49 Michael Rex was Neutral: Michael Rex, a local architect, emphasized the importance of the planning commissioner role and advocated for open advertisement of the position upon term expiration rather than automatic continuation. He suggested continuing Andrew Junius on a temporary basis pending interviews. (01:17:49) 01:19:21 McDougall was Neutral: McDougall thanked the city attorney for their conservative advice. (01:19:21) McDougall critiqued past meeting conduct and asserted a precedent was set with Ms. Feller's reappointment where other candidates weren't considered. (01:20:25) 01:21:04 Andrew Junius was Neutral: Andrew Junius expressed agreement with standard procedures, including noticing the position and allowing interested parties to apply. He stated he had requested the city clerk to do so a month prior and believed it had happened. (01:21:04)
01:23:39	5.A: Fiscal Year 2025 Budget Review	The City Manager began the presentation by thanking the finance director and city departments for their work on the draft budget, emphasizing that budgets reflect a city's values, which in Sausalito are safety, infrastructure, and quality of life. He noted improvements in audit findings over the past three years and acknowledged the contributions of prior councils and administrations to Sausalito's strong financial model. Key achievements before 2021 included implementing a tourism and occupancy tax, passing Measure O, and early adoption of Section 115 trusts, which create a path to dealing with pension challenges. The city maintained service levels throughout the pandemic. Sausalito expanded measure O to measure L to create 8 years of revenue for infrastructure. A new independent auditor was hired, Bedowian Associates. Councilmember Hoffman and former Mayor Withey were involved with budget conversations. Grant receipts are not where the council would like them to be and an analysis was done of that issue. Departments will meet to build ideas that would create revenue or create efficiency or save money. Chad Hess presented an overview of the fiscal year 2025 budget, defining key terms like budget surplus, deficit, fund balance, and reserves. He took ownership for making a mistake that led to a $2 million deficit. He then presented a reworked slide, and the updated slide deck was requested to be updated for members of the public and council. OPEB and pension liabilities have increased, requiring higher payments. The city plans to participate in PRISM GL1 with a $500,000 SIR. New information is available regarding property insurance from PRISM, offering a more favorable quote than Hub. He notes Labor Code Section 4850, concerning salary payments for injured public safety officers. He also addressed sales tax softening and a reduction from a significant sales tax contributor. He then presented available options and discussed with council which workman's comp plan they would like to select, noting the risk appetite. He updated general fund expenses, including increases for the finance department and public works, and a decrease in planning and zoning. Staff discussed Sausalito turnover rate and its costs. He updated the slide with Sausalito Turnover Rate. The City Manager stated that she was told that grant receipts are not where the council would like them to be. She also stated that whenever you see a deficit, it's not the city manager's problem, it's our problem as an organization. Councilmembers asked questions about the new budget and the proposed insurance plans.	Motion to direct the city manager to maintain levels of service, following up on the vice mayor’s suggestion to present at the next special city council meeting, some information about whether to slow down hiring, and to adopt the recommended 25% reserve policy (02:46:49).	2 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
02:44:55 Peter Van Meter was In Favor: Strongly endorsed the city manager's recommendation to use unassigned funds to transition through the insurance problem, maintain full staffing and city services, and deploy available funds. 02:45:41 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Commented on the city's real estate portfolio, questioning why fiduciary agents would ever trade it.
03:02:39	5.B: Infrastructure Renewal and Sustainability Program Update/Study Session	Katie Thau Garcia, the city's resiliency and sustainability manager, introduced Climatech, represented by Tyler Gerben and Bern Carter, to present an update on the Infrastructure Renewal and Sustainability Program. The program aims to address infrastructure needs, promote sustainability, and provide budgetary relief using innovative funding solutions and smart city technologies. The presentation covered the process to date, including the competitive selection of Climatech, legal review of the agreement, and a comprehensive energy and water assessment across city sites. The assessment identified key areas for improvement, such as City Hall, MLK, and the police station, focusing on energy-consuming systems like HVAC, lighting, and windows. Climatech proposed a bundle of initial phase projects, including LED lighting modernization, HVAC replacements, building automation, City Hall window upgrades, and smart city/parking enhancements. They also suggested solar PV installations at City Hall, MLK, and the police station, along with EV charging infrastructure. The proposed program aims to achieve significant cost savings, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and improve staff efficiency, with funding potentially coming from various sources, including the Inflation Reduction Act and PG&E on-bill financing. The next steps include obtaining feedback from the council, conducting a detailed engineering assessment, and presenting to the Sustainability Commission before potential council consideration in September or October. The presentation highlighted the potential for $7.5 million in savings and a substantial reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Councilmembers asked questions about funding sources, grant opportunities, and the possibility of itemizing projects by building to align with existing business enterprise funds and capital improvement plans. (03:04:41) Katie Thau Garcia introduced Climatech. (03:06:50) Tyler Gerben of Climatech discussed objectives to improve infrastructure, hedge against utility escalations, expedite greenhouse gas reductions, and enhance smart city initiatives. (03:09:00) Tyler Gerben noted that the city spends $442,000 annually on utilities. (03:17:50) Tyler Gerben described the current solar system on City Hall as 20% inefficient and recommended upgrading it and making city hall the first net-zero energy site. (03:19:38) Tyler Gerben mentioned the possibility of $400,000 in grant money from the Inflation Reduction Act. (03:21:23) Tyler Gerben reported the low hanging fruit program could accomplish about 80% of the greenhouse gas emissions the city uses annually.	No Motion	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
03:34:03 Babette McDougall was Neutral: McDougall expressed concern about the feasibility of the presented solutions for Sausalito and questioned the integration of the project with the existing sustainability team. She emphasized the need to aggregate efforts and ensure relevance to Sausalito's specific context.
03:37:39	5.C: Discussion and Direction to Staff Regarding Marinship Blue Economy Innovation District Initiative	Councilmember Hoffman recused himself due to a property conflict of interest. The City Manager stated that the item was brought forward at Councilmember Hoffman's request. The attorney for the initiative, Mark Wolf, submitted the initiative information, but there has been little staff analysis due to a lack of direction from the council. The City Manager recommended that the council provide direction to staff without a staff report, as they are not prepared to provide one. The Mayor inquired about the origin of the initiative and whether it had been reviewed by any city commissions, to which the City Manager responded that it came from Mark Wolf and had not been reviewed by any commissions. The City Attorney explained the process for placing an item on the ballot, including gathering signatures and the council's options to either place the measure on the ballot or adopt it outright. The City Attorney clarified the steps required to place the measure on the ballot, including a resolution and CEQA compliance, with a deadline of August 9th. Councilmember Cox clarified that the city council can place an initiative on the ballot without gathering signatures. Councilmember Blaustein reviewed the time and money spent on the General Plan and Housing Element Advisory Committees, highlighting the extensive public engagement involved in those processes and contrasted this with the potential lack of public engagement for a ballot initiative. Councilmember Kellerman requested that the council move on to public comment to allow the public to be heard.	Councilmember Kellerman made a motion to continue the item to July 16th, but it did not carry. (05:14:42)	29 Total: 9 In Favor 16 Against 4 Neutral
03:55:21 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Applauded the council for coming closer to real democracy and emphasized the need to focus on the bottom-line question and be flexible and move forward with creative thinking. 03:57:05 Bruce Hoffman was Against: Highlighted that most property owners in the Marinship are longstanding families who contribute to the city and its nonprofits. He expressed concern that the initiative is a major stab in the back to these families and would result in an economic catastrophe. 03:59:21 Casey Peterson was Against: Identified herself as a third-generation operator at Clipper Yacht Harbor and stated that the initiative does not represent Clipper or its tenants' needs. She expressed concern about the lack of community input and requested that the council dismiss the initiative. 04:01:41 Michael Rex was Against: Spoke on behalf of the Richardson Bay Maritime Association (RBMA) and stated that the RBMA shares the Sausalito Working Waterfront Coalition's intent to promote and preserve the industrial, marine, and art uses in the Marinship. However, the RBMA believes putting the initiative on the November ballot is premature because its impacts have not been fully identified and broader dialogue is needed. 04:03:55 Mary Griffin was Against: Expressed concern that the initiative came out of left field and urged the council not to vote to put it on the ballot for the November elections. She stated that the authors of the initiative should gather signatures like other sponsors and that the initiative needs more community input and coordination with other projects. 04:04:46 Sophia Collier was Against: Urged caution and highlighted the need for CEQA compliance to avoid lawsuits. She also expressed concern that the initiative sends the wrong message to the state of California and suggested that the proponents gather signatures to remove risk from the city council. 04:06:33 Jacqueline Amaricus was In Favor: Stated that there are two ways for voters to approve the measure: by the city council putting it on the ballot or by gathering signatures. She said that the public does have a voice and the council is at no risk in deciding whether they want to put it on the ballot. She feels that the council should put this on the ballot. 04:08:48 Adrian Brenton was Against: Expressed concern about the lack of transparency and the broken process, stating that it is a winner-take-all situation. He urged the council to put it out to signatures and stated that the initiative is driving a huge wedge into the community. 04:10:19 Curtis Havill was Against: Stated that the initiative has not been vetted through a transparent process and that the community has not had meaningful input. He requested a seat at the table and suggested using the 2010 Waterfront and Marinship Steering Committee document as a starting point for community conversation. 04:12:45 Craig Merrilees was In Favor: Acknowledged the differing views and stated that the Working Waterfront Coalition is gathering feedback and specific suggestions. He stated that maritime businesses and artists are being squeezed out due to rising lease rates and that the coalition will continue to work on this and be open. 04:14:56 Mark Wolf was In Favor: Explained that there are two ways to put something on the ballot: gather signatures or persuade the council to do it. He stated that gathering signatures ensures that there will be a vote of the people and a thorough vetting of the issue. 04:17:09 John DeRay was In Favor: Stated that the marinship is at risk due to noncompliant uses and conversion of industrial space to office, resulting in high lease rates. The ballot measure aims to foster and grow what remains of the industrial maritime and art activities by codifying the general plan. The measure does not cover 18 acres along Bridgeway and allows current uses to remain. He asked to let the voters decide. 04:19:20 Sharna Brockett was Against: Urged the council not to bring the initiative back in July when many people are on vacation and stated that 45 days is not sufficient to create a master plan and do proper land use planning. She called for a meaningful working group with major stakeholders and stated that some businesses supporting the initiative may not be aware of its limitations. 04:21:35 Alice Merrill was In Favor: Expressed concern that the marinship-specific plan is no longer part of the general plan because landowners don't want those restrictions. She stated that the RBMA would be great to be involved in this and emphasized the need to work together. 04:23:54 Riley Tobberg was Against: Shared a story about a monk and emphasized the need for a collaborative effort with everyone together to solve the issue, stating that it is not going to solve in 45 days. He asked to not move this forward. 04:26:00 Doreen Gunnar was Against: Stated that the problem with the measure is that it is a measure and that land use is so complicated. She said that the decision to make land use decisions through a ballot is not appropriate. She recalled that the council had a similar conversation around the cannabis issues last go around when these measures popped up and they came to the conclusion that it was really a difficult thing to do because there's nothing you can do to it if it gets passed. 04:28:13 Rupert Hanson was Against: Stated that Silver Seas Yachts was not aware of this at all, even though is one of the largest yacht brokers in the Marinship. He argued that the measure's language that yacht brokers aren't necessary to be by the water is false and passing in its current form will displace the entire network. 04:30:31 Lee Hunt was Against: Stated that their business (Modern Sailing School) is a maritime ecosystem business because its success aids the success of other businesses such as Lisp Marine and Spalding. Therefore, the council is urged to not legislate restriction and exclusion, but empower the community to build a better ecosystem. 04:32:18 Gabe Turner was Against: Stated that future companies are likely going to be created in places like Township. The very measure speaks of an ocean tech accelerator they know and it used to hold its events in Township. If this measure passed, the township wouldn't be able to exist in the Marineship. The council was urged to not pass it and not to rush it in 45 days. 04:34:21 Peter Van Meter was Against: The council should not be a party to putting any measure on a ballot, whether sponsored or if comes to them already with signatures. It becomes impossible to overturn because it has to go to a public vote, plus a lot of initiatives say that the government is not allowed to make modifications at all. Do not take any action on this, ever. Let the group go get the signatures and let it go to a vote. 04:36:12 Lauren Dreamer was In Favor: It's maddening that this had to come from the Working Waterfront Coalition. It's a step in the right direction and the type of thing that must be protected. Zoning is tired and does little for this place. Let's talk about fixing it and not developing it, but talk about how we can invest in it. It must be decided by the people of Sausalito, too. They need to trust each other. 04:38:21 William Foss was Neutral: There are fewer commercial fishing boats in Clipper from when he had opened the Fish restaurant. Climatic events are making the lives of the fisherman extremely hard right now, they just can't survive. They were not consulted at all. The fishermen should always be remembered because they work harder than anyone and they are completely unrepresented here. 04:40:00 John Coletti was Neutral: The comments were good and are representative of good discussion and conversations of the community. Due to the lack of direction given for the Marineship, it was a shame to watch the petty politics that some of the council were playing out earlier. He urges direction to modify the initiative and maybe present it further for this or a coming election. 04:41:22 Sammy was In Favor: Sausalito should not thrive to be the other towns but we should keep thriving to be unique. Let's nurture the vitality and increase the revenue for the city. This should go to vote. 04:43:35 Kieran Culligan was Against: Legislative restriction is not what should be followed. Show me the financial models. Show me the letters of intent. 45 days is not enough. I've never seen a measure like this designed to promote innovation. 04:45:27 Speaker 25 was In Favor: The two ways for any ballot initiative to be presented are great. Having signatures is great. There should be an opportunity for all residents to have an actual vote and say on any initiative so that it is not just left up to the people in front. We need to allow the people to have a chance to actually vote on something. 04:46:43 Scott Thornburg was Neutral: From an EDAC perspective and from a personal one, what is missing is economic impact and also there has not been the proper opportunity for the Blue Economy and Innovation Subcommittee to weigh in on this measure. It's been robust and encouraging to have such a good showing and discussion tonight, however. Time and thought needs to be given to get the process done in a manner that protects the working waterfront. 04:48:37 Sandra Bushmuth was In Favor: What better way to prove democracy than to let the voters vote? The city council can modify the general plan 4x a year but it's with public hearing. So the notion of having an initiative that allows the people of Sausalito to make a land use decision to me is a great thing. Get all details decided then take it to the people. 04:49:42 Charles Meltzen was Against: Expresses appreciation for the robust conversation and dialogue, emphasizes the vital importance of the Marinship to the community, and stresses the need to get this done right. Stresses the importance of democracy is the people have right to vote, but it must be right and the city council has a duty to do that. All large initiatives have taken more than 45 days and we should make everyone involved in this.
05:20:12	5.D: Receive and File Report Regarding Becoming a Charter City; Provide Direction to Staff Regarding Becoming a Charter City	The council is considering receiving and filing a report regarding becoming a charter city. The item will be continued to a future agenda, but public comments will still be heard.	No Motion	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
05:21:00 McDougall was Neutral: McDougall indicates they have a comment.
05:21:19	5.E: Consider Appointments to the Parks & Recreation Commission	The council is appointing five members to the Parks & Recreation Commission and discussing the process of selecting the candidates. Councilmember Cox suggests a slate of candidates: Sonia Salzman, Danielle Keenan, Karina Hughes, Michelle Mokala, and Frank Millian (05:22:24). Councilmember Hoffman suggests Stacy Craig as an alternate (05:24:09). Ultimately, the council agrees to appoint the proposed slate and Stacy Craig as an alternate (05:24:25). Councilmember Cox notes the difficulty in choosing only five candidates due to the high quality of all interviewees (05:23:53).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:24:34	5.F: Introduction and Waiver of First Reading of Ordinance No. -04 - 2024 An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Amending Sausalito Municipal Code Section 2.58.040 Relating to Residency Requirements on City Boards, Commissions, and Commi	This agenda item concerns the introduction and potential waiver of the first reading of Ordinance 424, which relates to residency requirements for city boards, commissions, and committees. Councilmember Cox moved to continue the item, but wanted to hear public comment first. (05:24:53)	Councilmember Cox moved to continue this item. (05:24:53)	2 Total: 1 In Favor 1 Against 0 Neutral
05:25:09 Robert M. McDougall was Against: McDougall is against a broad residency requirement, stating that it's not in the best interest of Sausalito. He believes that the council should carefully consider exceptions, such as for business owners who have operated in Sausalito for a long time, even if they don't live there. He feels that residency matters, but blanket rules are not the answer. 05:26:07 Scott Thornburg was In Favor: Thornburg believes that many businesses would like to contribute to the city. He suggests that allowing business owners who don't live in town but have had businesses in Sausalito for many years to serve on boards and commissions is a great way to engage them. He agrees with the previous speaker that there should be some qualifications around that, but that the city should be careful not to be too restrictive.
05:27:21	6: COMMUNICATIONS	This agenda item appears to be a continuation of previous discussions. McDougall raises concerns about a risk assessment and how that might be influencing filling a position (05:28:07). He also suggests alternative locations, specifically the cruising club or the Bay Model, for meetings concerning marine ships, rather than the Spinnaker (05:28:22). He emphasizes the importance of capitalizing on current discussions and involving citizens in the marineship issue (05:29:24).	No Motion	2 Total: 1 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
05:27:42 McDougall was Neutral: McDougall discusses a risk assessment phone call he received following the last council meeting from a compliance officer. He expresses concerns about the location of marine ship discussions, suggesting the cruising club or Bay model instead of the Spinnaker. He also stresses the importance of including citizens in meetings and special hearings about the marineship issue. 05:29:47 Alice Merrill was In Favor: Alice Merrill expresses concern that people in other parts of the city are not aware of Marinship. She suggests ways to get people down there, like an all-city potluck or a day for business owners to explore the area (05:30:31). She emphasizes the need to get the rest of the town to care about Marinship, rather than creating a divide between landowners and renters (05:30:50).
05:31:17	7: COUNCILMEMBER COMMITTEE REPORTS	This agenda item is for councilmember committee reports. Councilmember Cox reports on attending the Pedestrian and Bicycle Advisory Committee meeting, noting that the PBAC is pursuing grant funding opportunities and will recommend that the City Council consider adopting a plan by Parametrics for avoiding accidents at high-risk intersections (05:31:24). These items may come before the council in July or early fall. Councilmember Kellerman announces that the North Bay Division of CalCities will be hosted in Sausalito on July 25th, at Spinnaker, and all councilmembers are invited (05:32:10).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:32:30	8: CITY MANAGER REPORTS & OTHER COUNCIL BUSINESS	The meeting is expected to break for lunch around noon. (05:32:30)	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:32:32	18: City Manager’s Quarterly Report	The City Manager presented a robust quarterly report compiled by intern Libby Hughes. The report contains information from different departments. Libby Hughes will also be working on an evaluation of the stairways and the condition of stairways, and also work related to Bridgeway and the clutter on Bridgeway.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:33:17	8B: Future Agenda Items	Councilmembers discussed future agenda items. Councilmember Cox commended the city manager for her impressive report and work. Councilmember Blaustein reiterated her request for a robust conversation about disaster preparedness, including a presentation from the emergency manager and more tabletop exercises (05:33:40). She emphasized the importance of including it on the next agenda setting. Councilmember Cox asked if the city clerk records future agenda items suggested by councilmembers (05:34:13). The Mayor confirmed that the city clerk does record the items and includes them on the future agenda sheet for the agenda setting meeting (05:34:18). Councilmember Cox requested to be emailed the list with the matrix every time the agenda setting committee meets (05:34:27).	No Motion	1 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 1 Neutral
05:35:03 Sandra Bushmuth was Neutral: Sandra Bushmuth reminded the council that Dorothy Westby Gibson wrote a book about the stairways of Sausalito, and suggested the City Manager or intern might find it helpful.
05:35:37	9: ADJOURNMENT	The meeting is adjourned, and the next city council meeting is scheduled. There was a correction to the date and time of the next meeting. It will be a special city council meeting to approve and adopt the budget, and it will be held one week from today at 6 p.m. (05:35:55).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

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00:00:08.92	Mayor Sobieski	Mayor Sobieski and council members. This meeting of June 18, 2024 is being held in council chambers located at 420 Little Street. Staff members and members of the public are also participating through Zoom. This meeting is being broadcast live on the city's website and on cable TV channel 27.
00:00:29.00	Unknown	Thank you, City Clerk. Councilmember Blastine has informed me that she is going to be late for the closed session. She probably will actually be a few minutes late even for the open session, but should be arriving shortly after 7 o'clock. Could you go ahead and please call the roll?
00:00:41.95	Mayor Sobieski	Councilmember Blasin, as Mary Sobieski noted, she'll be here later. Councilmember Hoffman. Councilmember Kelman. Here.
00:00:49.96	Mayor Sobieski	Vice Mayor Cox. Here. And Mayor Sobieski. Here.
00:00:52.83	Unknown	here.
00:00:53.42	Unknown	Thank you very much, city clerk. We're going to go ahead and have the first item be interviews for the Park and Recreation Commission. Thanks to everyone who is here and we will begin with James Kavanaugh.
00:01:08.24	Rupert Hanson	Thank you.
00:01:08.29	Unknown	Yes, please just come to the podium. Sorry, thank you for coming in. And if you'd kindly just spend a minute introducing yourself, then we'll ask you questions with the rest of our time.
00:01:08.32	Rupert Hanson	Yes.
00:01:17.62	Unknown	Why do you want to be on the Parks and Rec Commission? Who are you? Where do you live?
00:01:20.81	Unknown	Why do you want to volunteer?
00:01:26.47	Kevin McGowan	So.
00:01:27.70	Doreen Gunnar	Hold on. Your mic.
00:01:29.64	Unknown	We just need to fix the mic. So.
00:01:35.41	Unknown	Ooh, it's hot.
00:01:38.29	Unknown	who?
00:01:38.38	Casey Peterson	you
00:01:39.14	Unknown	Thank you.
00:01:39.31	Cox	Is it on? Oh, please turn it off. Maybe just a minute in our...
00:01:45.45	James Kavanaugh	All right, I've been in working in the city since 79 and then, um,
00:01:45.80	Unknown	Thank you.
00:01:45.82	Peter Van Meter	I don't know.
00:01:51.42	James Kavanaugh	In 1986, we started a
00:01:54.76	James Kavanaugh	Well, earlier than that, we started a video production company and set the MLK property.
00:02:00.50	James Kavanaugh	I'm here 12 hours every day working.
00:02:04.70	James Kavanaugh	I live on Filbert, but...
00:02:07.52	James Kavanaugh	It just seems like time to step up to get more involved. I'm already doing a bunch of things, if I can...
00:02:14.56	James Kavanaugh	These are cards from my dance. I put a dance on every Sunday morning in the old gym.
00:02:19.16	James Kavanaugh	It's free to South City residents.
00:02:21.70	James Kavanaugh	Please come.
00:02:23.23	James Kavanaugh	Um,
00:02:25.10	James Kavanaugh	I've made
00:02:26.54	James Kavanaugh	a bunch of my business is video production.
00:02:29.85	James Kavanaugh	A lot of corporate work, but sometimes things are
00:02:33.85	James Kavanaugh	other things, movies and such, which are in the library. This is one on with doctors who use poetry in their practice. It's very popular. It's even using graduate courses. This is a movie about Sausalito, the soul of Sausalito. Bruce and I finished this in 2015.
00:02:51.92	James Kavanaugh	And I was so full of further ideas and I'm working on a second one right now. So that's a lot. And then probably the biggest, the blue sky, there's a group of us have gathered to talk about
00:03:06.55	James Kavanaugh	building our own community center.
00:03:09.38	James Kavanaugh	I think.
00:03:10.38	James Kavanaugh	Saucelito deserves one. So it's a big deal. But it's worth talking about. And I condensed it into one page. Anybody like to read my edition of this? I've also recruited...
00:03:23.73	James Kavanaugh	the assistance of people from local centers who've already done it, of course, Mill Valley, but
00:03:28.27	James Kavanaugh	Brilliant game. Just finished a center.
00:03:30.31	James Kavanaugh	a year ago.
00:03:32.06	James Kavanaugh	And the woman who helped start that had has promised a tourist and answer all the questions that might come up.
00:03:38.60	James Kavanaugh	All this feels like to me is like it's time to...
00:03:42.48	James Kavanaugh	give back to where I spend my whole life.
00:03:45.36	James Kavanaugh	And that's why I'm here. That's why I'm here.
00:03:50.04	Unknown	Thank you, Mr. Kavanaugh. Are there questions please from my colleagues?
00:03:50.14	James Kavanaugh	I'm not sure.
00:03:55.45	Kellerman	Thank you.
00:03:56.33	Kellerman	Thank you also. Hi there. Thank you for the frequent emails we receive from you and your updates. Appreciate it.
00:03:56.37	Unknown	Thank you also.
00:03:56.97	Unknown	Thank you.
00:04:02.29	Kellerman	Thank you.
00:04:02.32	Unknown	Yeah.
00:04:02.86	Kellerman	Can you tell us a little bit more about your idea for a community center and maybe some things you think are currently serving that purpose that you think are doing well today in the city?
00:04:15.81	James Kavanaugh	I don't think Slasio actually has a center, a real place to meet. There's certainly nothing like Mill Valley does, of course. Um,
00:04:26.35	James Kavanaugh	And I think it's doable. It seems clear to me that it would have to be at the MLK campus. It's the really only big, flat, available space. And I know there's the housing element issue. It seems to me the housing element actually could be an opportunity to take the obligation of the housing element and then do something for ourselves, let's build our own center.
00:04:47.80	James Kavanaugh	I have details in here about square footage and solar panels, because it seems to me relevant half story underground parking and,
00:04:58.35	James Kavanaugh	it would be a lot of money and a bunch of time i i think though it is a good idea and we at least deserve it
00:05:05.72	James Kavanaugh	to talk about it.
00:05:07.21	James Kavanaugh	Um,
00:05:08.52	James Kavanaugh	I was talking to Rainer Needleman about it, and she said she thinks it's a great idea because raising her kids here, she was always having to drive into another town because it was not the facilities.
00:05:21.50	James Kavanaugh	The community center would be in part for sports, but only in part. I see a great hall where we could actually have a New Year's dance and have large gatherings. I mean, the whole town couldn't fit any one room, but...
00:05:33.36	James Kavanaugh	A lot of people could fit in a hall like they have in Mill Valley.
00:05:40.30	Unknown	That would be great.
00:05:42.26	Unknown	Thank you. Are there other questions?
00:05:43.91	Cox	Have you had any involvement with the park and rec, uh, commission in the past?
00:05:49.26	James Kavanaugh	Well, in putting on this dance, it's their gem. So we started that in 21, during COVID, when the place was empty. And so we had, at first we were dancing with masks on, and we got to that point where it was loud to dance without. And that's as close as I've gotten to it.
00:06:10.15	James Kavanaugh	I couldn't tell you the mandate. I presume it means
00:06:13.34	James Kavanaugh	better parks and better recreation.
00:06:16.31	James Kavanaugh	Right? Yeah.
00:06:17.56	James Kavanaugh	What else could it be?
00:06:19.38	James Kavanaugh	So I, uh,
00:06:21.51	James Kavanaugh	I don't know. I feel like this is my wheelhouse, this kind of thing. I've been doing stuff like this my whole life.
00:06:28.80	James Kavanaugh	Thank you.
00:06:28.92	James Kavanaugh	Thank you.
00:06:29.24	James Kavanaugh	I volunteer more than I should.
00:06:32.49	James Kavanaugh	But...
00:06:33.74	James Kavanaugh	Everybody can understand that.
00:06:36.09	Unknown	Well, thank you, Mr. Kavanaugh. That's all the time we have. You and everyone else deserves more, but we have to get through our list. And just to set expectations, the actual appointments we made at our meeting later in the evening, this is just going to be interviews. So just so you know, the next person is Ms. Stacey Cray.
00:06:57.75	Unknown	So similarly, Ms. Gray, if you would just kindly take a minute to introduce
00:07:00.59	Stacey Cray	It works.
00:07:01.54	Stacey Cray	So I bought a house in Sausalito in 2014. I also had a place in San Francisco at that time. And I was we were renovating the house. We lived in this very small house, my ex-husband and my two kids and fell in love with the city. I didn't I sort of went back to San Francisco kicking and screaming and kept the house and have lived there intermittently for the last ten years. And then recently I bought a house on Cloud View Road.
00:07:29.33	Stacey Cray	And part of the reason I bought another house was because the house that I have has a hundred stairs from the driveway down to the, um,
00:07:40.01	Stacey Cray	entrance of the home.
00:07:41.44	Stacey Cray	And I have a son who has a neuro neurological issues and it has an accessibility issues. So I was looking for a house in Sausalito that was on one level and had a view.
00:07:54.45	Stacey Cray	And I found it. But the reason that I applied was that I saw on Currents that you were looking for artists. And I am a singer-songwriter. I'm very involved in theater in San Francisco and also in New York. I've been writing a musical for the last eight years.
00:08:11.70	Stacey Cray	And I'm really deeply involved in the New York theater scene, musical theater scene. So I'd love to see some musical theater and some theater in general in Sausalito. And I think there are opportunities.
00:08:21.19	Stacey Cray	when folks come out here to maybe get them to come somewhere in Sausalito to do a a community concert and that sort of thing. I'm also very interested in, um, in, in improving the, the, the, uh, public spaces in, in Sausalito. They're wonderful.
00:08:35.65	Stacey Cray	they could be more accessible.
00:08:37.54	Stacey Cray	and some of them are a little bit run down.
00:08:40.19	Stacey Cray	Just taking as an example, the little playground that's up where I live on cloud view, like, I don't know what that is, except sort of a scary place that nobody goes. And it seems like, you know, it could be a nicer place. And maybe just connecting the areas, like I sort of dream of a sauce leader that's a little bit connected, more connected with all these roads that were never built and the kind of
00:08:57.82	Stacey Cray	semi-dilapidated staircases and how do we make sure that
00:09:01.41	Stacey Cray	seniors and people with disabilities can access at least some of those spaces. So those are, I mean, I think I love the jazz and blues by the bay. Like there's just so many things you're doing right here at the arts festival, the new art
00:09:14.11	Stacey Cray	building, whatever that is.
00:09:16.75	Stacey Cray	Um, it's just, and it's such a great town and all of these applicants are so incredibly well-qualified. It's just, I just feel it's an honor to be here and chat with you about this.
00:09:22.51	Katie Thau Garcia	I just,
00:09:26.74	Unknown	Thank you.
00:09:28.65	Unknown	I'll kick it off with the first question. Do you have a specific idea on how to bring more live performance, especially dance to Sausalito?
00:09:38.29	Unknown	dance or you see your I said music
00:09:39.92	Stacey Cray	I said music. Well, I mean, there are certainly
00:09:45.24	Stacey Cray	avenues to doing that. I mean, one, I'm also a member of the Battery at San Francisco. They bring in a lot of artists and I'd be happy to coordinate. I'm sure there are other Sausalito members to just sort of create a team. They do things over here anyway. And so often they'll have a person from the, who's a pretty big deal musical artist come over. There also could be outdoor performances. My mom has actually been very involved in the, she was the president of the
00:10:12.54	Stacey Cray	uh, a theater in Half Moon Bay called Coastal Rep. She's still around and helping me. And so she has a lot of experience with outdoor activities. And I think like in Dumfey Park and some of the other places there could be, you know, you could have Shakespeare in the park, um, during the summer, which would be lovely.
00:10:30.87	Unknown	it.
00:10:31.00	Stacey Cray	Thank you.
00:10:31.14	Unknown	Vice Mayor.
00:10:32.39	Cox	Thank you. Have you met any of the folks who run the Sausalito Center for the Arts at the Bank of America building?
00:10:38.82	Stacey Cray	I ran into that, you know, like having as, as Sausalito goes, right. I went to have dinner at Poggio and went across the street and was like, what's going on here. And of course there was an event. And so I chatted with some of the people that were there, but I haven't had a chance to,
00:10:50.48	Stacey Cray	really connect, um, more deeply. And I hope to do that soon sometime soon.
00:10:53.85	Cox	Lovely. Thank you.
00:10:58.21	Unknown	Thank you, Ms. Gray. Thanks. Thank you very much.
00:11:01.43	Unknown	Ms. Sonia Salzman, please welcome.
00:11:04.99	Unknown	So similarly, welcome. If you kindly summarize for a minute yourself, introduce yourself, then we'll ask you some questions.
00:11:11.39	Sonia Saltzman	For sure. Thank you so much first for giving me this opportunity to do an interview. I'm super excited to be here with all of you and these other wonderful applicants. My name is Sonia Saltzman. I was born and raised in Mo Valley and recently moved to Sausalito. And so when I saw this opportunity, I really jumped at it to get more involved in the Parks and Recs Department. A little bit about my background. I currently serve as a senior program coordinator at the Youth Leadership Institute. And in this position, I coordinate the Marin County Youth Commission and Marin Organizing for Racial Equity. And so my background is very focused on youth development and creating inclusive spaces and communities for Marin County residents. And so I'm very excited about this opportunity. And one of the reasons why I am applying to be a commissioner is to make the parks and recs more inclusive and have more representation.
00:12:02.75	Sonia Saltzman	Um, I'm also very passionate about a little bit about what Stacy talked about making Sausalito more ADA inclusive, um, especially with kind of the physical, um,
00:12:12.88	Sonia Saltzman	Um, groundwork.
00:12:14.45	Sonia Saltzman	um,
00:12:15.33	Sonia Saltzman	And so, yeah, I think I'm just very passionate about public service and really getting more involved in the Sausalito community. And so that's primarily why I'm applying. And I appreciate this opportunity.
00:12:28.72	Unknown	Thank you. Questions, please.
00:12:32.64	Kellerman	I'd be interested in maybe some examples of some events that you've helped coordinate or executed in your current
00:12:40.03	Sonia Saltzman	Roll.
00:12:40.77	Sonia Saltzman	Yeah, of course. In my current role, I work a lot with the county of Marin to host community events. And so some of the events we've hosted is our annual May Wellness Festival, which is hosted at Terralinda every year to promote wellness and mental health resources specifically for young people, but also just the overall community. Another event we recently hosted in April was the Cultural Fusion Fair, which brought together music, dance, food, and just opportunities for people to engage in cross-cultural dialogue. And then another event...
00:13:15.05	Sonia Saltzman	that we've done is community forums, as well as working with the board of supervisors to host events regarding civic engagement. And so kind of a diverse array of events that I think are really connected to the Parks and Recs Commission and some events that we could potentially see in Sausalito as well.
00:13:35.47	Cox	Yes, I see from your resume how involved you are in Marin County. Yeah. And I see that you're part of Marin Women's PAC.
00:13:39.85	Unknown	Yeah.
00:13:45.25	Cox	which of course weighs in on our elections.
00:13:48.02	Cox	Every year. Yeah.
00:13:48.86	Sonia Saltzman	Definitely.
00:13:50.10	Sonia Saltzman	I love them. I've been actually working with Laurel to host an event in October of next year to get young people more civically engaged. And so we're hoping to host a forum with local community members and giving that opportunity for those conversations, as well as getting young people to pre-register to vote.
00:14:08.79	Cox	Yeah.
00:14:09.11	Sonia Saltzman	I've attended
00:14:09.49	Cox	at a couple of the events with high school kids who are getting involved in the political process. I just think it's fantastic, the work that they're doing.
00:14:16.15	Sonia Saltzman	and then.
00:14:16.25	Cox	Thank you.
00:14:16.27	Sonia Saltzman	And.
00:14:16.77	Sonia Saltzman	Definitely, definitely agree. Thank you.
00:14:18.06	Cox	you for that.
00:14:18.82	Sonia Saltzman	Yeah.
00:14:21.67	Unknown	Other questions?
00:14:24.28	Unknown	In your youth outreach, do you work actively with the school district or is this completely separate from the school district?
00:14:30.39	Sonia Saltzman	It's both. So primarily we work with the county of Marin, but we also do work with the different school districts to get young people involved. So there's a lot of working partnerships. But yeah, the school districts are included.
00:14:43.54	Unknown	Do you have any...
00:14:44.90	Unknown	Thank you.
00:14:45.36	Unknown	formal association with our school district here.
00:14:47.91	Sonia Saltzman	I do not.
00:14:49.61	Sonia Saltzman	Thank you.
00:14:50.88	Sonia Saltzman	Yeah.
00:14:52.41	Unknown	I think that's all the questions we have. Thank you very much.
00:14:54.03	Sonia Saltzman	Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it.
00:14:57.39	Unknown	Miss Danielle.
00:14:58.62	Unknown	Kenan is next.
00:15:00.97	Unknown	Hello, welcome.
00:15:06.59	Danielle Kenan	Thank you for having me. Yeah, welcome. My name is Danielle, and my favorite day of the year is the Sausalito Super Bowl.
00:15:07.86	Unknown	Welcome.
00:15:13.09	Sharna Brockett	Thank you.
00:15:13.12	Kathy Nikitas	Uh,
00:15:14.72	Danielle Kenan	Every year I have a countdown, I have a special outfit. I truly think Sausalito is one of the, if not the most magical community in the world. And I've been a member of the Sausalito community since 2016.
00:15:31.65	Danielle Kenan	by way of Craigslist. I was moving from Ohio, then Mill Valley, looking for a place to live, and I typed in water into the entire housing section of the Bay Area.
00:15:43.78	Danielle Kenan	and landed on a houseboat for four years and kind of was exposed to that magical community.
00:15:49.76	Danielle Kenan	I then bought a motor yacht after that, lived in Marina Plaza, different community, also wonderful.
00:15:57.11	Danielle Kenan	Then on land, and now I'm up on Harrison, but it is an absolutely delightful community. My most passionate involvement recently has been with the Sausalito Cruising Club.
00:16:09.26	Danielle Kenan	I did spend three years on the board there, was vice commodore last year.
00:16:14.65	Danielle Kenan	and really enjoyed helping plan events there, music, bringing community together.
00:16:21.48	Danielle Kenan	And most recently with Scott Jampel, who does Sal Salido Liquor Company, we purchased Keep Sal Salty with the attempt of reviving it, joining the Historical Society, really joining and learning everything about Sal Salido and to share it with the world.
00:16:37.97	Danielle Kenan	Um, and also our, our wonderful community that's here. And the adult Easter egg hunt is my second favorite day of the year.
00:16:47.65	Danielle Kenan	Nice to see you all.
00:16:49.56	Unknown	Fantastic.
00:16:51.38	Danielle Kenan	Oh, sorry. One more thing. I'm a graphic designer.
00:16:54.71	Danielle Kenan	I'm a graphic designer. Um, I, I lead a team of 25 people internationally.
00:17:00.04	Danielle Kenan	I really believe in positivity and collaboration and assuming good intent. And I think those are key qualities for a role like this.
00:17:07.60	Danielle Kenan	Um,
00:17:08.48	Danielle Kenan	Mainly snacks and enthusiasm is what I bring. So if you need that, that's what I'm here for.
00:17:13.36	Unknown	thank you for that. And thanks for your help at the cruising club. I'm a member there as well. It sounds like you're have a lot of energy and I'd like to do a lot of things. So if you're on the commission, what are you imagining that you're going to want to do?
00:17:25.51	Danielle Kenan	anything and everything that might be needed. I really have a passion for bringing things together and bringing people together and, and,
00:17:35.51	Danielle Kenan	kind of the area I fit is what I call glimmers of bringing that extra special magic and delight of just that, that extra fun.
00:17:46.03	Danielle Kenan	I do act very much as a cheerleader in an organization of
00:17:50.53	Danielle Kenan	of really, you know, embracing team members, supporting each other and, um, making magic, hopefully.
00:17:59.69	Unknown	Mayor? Yes.
00:18:01.26	Kellerman	So can you tell us a little bit more about what you want to do with keep Sausalito salty and what that means to you?
00:18:07.54	Danielle Kenan	Oh, gosh, yeah, absolutely. Keep Salced to Salty is a very much a passion project. It is really looking at what makes our town what it is, and making sure that history is preserved and shared and celebrated. I mean, I think we have roughly 2 million visitors coming through. How do we tell that story and get those, you know, wonderful things about our town across in a way that's, that's meaningful, um, in a way that, you know, continues to embrace our history and look forward as well.
00:18:46.34	Unknown	Any other questions?
00:18:47.52	Unknown	Can I double up? Did you say you make good snacks?
00:18:48.68	Unknown	So you make it.
00:18:50.79	Danielle Kenan	Yes.
00:18:51.13	Unknown	Can you expand on that? Oh, yeah.
00:18:52.71	Danielle Kenan	Oh, yeah. I make a great charcuterie board. I also do cheese boards, wine.
00:19:00.82	Kellerman	I mean, she mentioned it as part of the application.
00:19:02.67	Danielle Kenan	It's true. It's true. Thank you for asking.
00:19:03.99	Kellerman	Thank you for asking. Thank you for offering. Yeah.
00:19:08.39	Unknown	Well, thank you very much.
00:19:09.62	Danielle Kenan	Thank you for your time.
00:19:11.97	Unknown	So Avalon Johnson, please.
00:19:19.24	Unknown	I'm sorry, for anyone who's expecting Karina, she withdrew or was not able to attend, actually, just from a...
00:19:23.65	Unknown	I'm sorry?
00:19:23.93	Unknown	schedule. The next candidate, the vice mayor asked, Karina Hughes is not here.
00:19:23.95	Unknown	Thank you.
00:19:28.73	Unknown	Oh, you are here.
00:19:29.57	Unknown	Well.
00:19:31.71	Unknown	Okay.
00:19:32.98	Unknown	I'm glad you spoke up. Then my order is different than the one that's in the binder. There is one candidate.
00:19:38.75	Avalon Johnson	Should I step in?
00:19:39.17	Unknown	who is not able to come, but I think that might be Stella Benton at the end, actually.
00:19:43.96	Avalon Johnson	I'm Avalon.
00:19:44.56	Unknown	Go right ahead. Sorry for the mix up.
00:19:46.39	Avalon Johnson	Hi.
00:19:46.48	Unknown	Hi. Welcome Ms. Johnson. If you'd kindly introduce yourself for a minute. Yeah. And we'll ask you our questions.
00:19:49.79	Avalon Johnson	Yeah.
00:19:51.76	Avalon Johnson	My name is Avalon Johnson. I moved here in 2021. Like a lot of people, probably my first visit to Sausalito was on the ferry. And it just was wonderful. I paddle outrigger canoes. And we are living in Palo Alto. and I paddle in San Francisco. And I don't know if you realize, but when you're in San Francisco in the fog and you look across the bay, you see the sunshine. And I'm like, I'm living over there. I'm living in Sausalito.
00:20:27.82	Avalon Johnson	Well, I live in Hurricane Gulch. That tells you something, right?
00:20:32.55	Avalon Johnson	Oh my God. So,
00:20:34.89	Avalon Johnson	Yeah, it's a little colder than I imagined. I do a lot of sports. I do outrigger canoeing.
00:20:40.34	Avalon Johnson	Yeah.
00:20:41.78	Avalon Johnson	I run the trails of Mount Tam.
00:20:46.42	Avalon Johnson	have taken up to running the stairs of Sausalito. I think being able to step out your front door and to be able to go to the Highlands or to spend five minutes and go to Mount Tom is just an amazing thing. I have canoes at Blue Water.
00:21:05.52	Avalon Johnson	I love anything that has to do with the water and as someone almost turning 65 I feel that
00:21:19.71	Avalon Johnson	There are a few things I would love in Sausalito, such as, you know, I'll run into the city and there's outdoor facilities that you can do little exercises on. And I see everybody doing it. Or I lived in, when I lived in LA,
00:21:37.72	Avalon Johnson	I worked at USC, which in case you don't know is in the hood. And I would drive home in the evening and I would pass these outdoor parks and they were full of people. And they would just have like an elliptical machine that's not really an elliptical machine and everybody would be
00:21:55.98	Avalon Johnson	It was amazing because everybody would use it. And I feel that here we have
00:22:02.46	Avalon Johnson	a lot of
00:22:03.77	Avalon Johnson	adults who would probably use
00:22:07.79	Avalon Johnson	outdoor gyms, it's not complicated, right? It's just a little thing, a little step, a little thing.
00:22:13.60	Avalon Johnson	anything. And I feel that
00:22:16.31	Avalon Johnson	That would make a huge difference. And as you can tell, I love anything to do with sports. I work full time though. So that's it.
00:22:21.36	Unknown	Thank you.
00:22:24.46	Unknown	It's it.
00:22:25.41	Unknown	That's wonderful. Thank you. Any questions for Ms. Johnson?
00:22:29.63	Unknown	One of the centers of I know an enthusiasm of Councilmember Kelman is trying to have more aquatic
00:22:36.97	Unknown	Physical activities like rowing in town. I see your outriggers every...
00:22:41.30	Unknown	afternoon.
00:22:42.10	Avalon Johnson	Yeah, that's our competitor, by the way.
00:22:42.57	Unknown	That's not what the weather is.
00:22:44.66	Unknown	Okay.
00:22:45.42	Unknown	Do you have any notions about...
00:22:48.46	Unknown	actually
00:22:49.83	Unknown	capitalizing on Sausalito's brand and genuine foundation of merit of aquatic rowing and other physical activities on the water.
00:22:59.83	Avalon Johnson	Well, the thing is we have C-TREC, right? And C-TREC offers...
00:23:05.59	Avalon Johnson	It's a gem.
00:23:07.21	Avalon Johnson	So I, you know, when you ask this question, I can't think of anything that we could add that C-TREC doesn't have because C-TREC is amazing.
00:23:18.58	Avalon Johnson	if there is outreach with C-TREC that would bring in a little bit more of the community, you know, because I know C-TREC exists, but, and I assume everybody does, but maybe not everybody does. So bringing, you know, something to interact with C-TREC would be amazing. But honestly, I really am like set on these little steps that you could walk on or little machines that you could use just distributed throughout some park somewhere that would just bring people together.
00:23:53.49	Unknown	So following up on that particular idea, have you interacted at all with Sausalito Village or with Age-Brendly Sausalito?
00:23:58.96	Avalon Johnson	friendly.
00:24:00.01	Avalon Johnson	Yeah, my neighbor is a member. As I said, I work full time, so I have not. She's a member. She says it's a way for people to come up and bring the senior citizens together, but I have not interacted with it.
00:24:16.44	Unknown	These are great ideas, and I hope you'll mention it to your neighbor, because I think that would be a wonderful addition to the care that's provided for Salisbury residents as they age.
00:24:21.73	Unknown	All right.
00:24:26.10	Unknown	All right.
00:24:27.13	Unknown	Other questions for Ms. Johnson?
00:24:31.36	Unknown	Thank you.
00:24:31.48	Unknown	Thank you for your time and thank you for being here.
00:24:34.08	Unknown	Uh, Ms. Hughes, now, now we got the right order. Welcome. Thank you for being here. If you'd also kindly just...
00:24:41.98	Unknown	Thank you.
00:24:42.38	Unknown	Tell us about yourself for a minute.
00:24:43.49	Karina Hughes	Thank you. Hello, everyone. It's a pleasure being here. And I think where I would begin, so I'm Karina Hughes. I was born and raised in the Bay Area and I've been coming to Sausalito my life, my entire life.
00:24:56.61	Karina Hughes	I am invested in Sausalito emotionally
00:25:00.69	Karina Hughes	with property in my community. I love the community. And I think it's the people here that make it.
00:25:10.73	Karina Hughes	so special.
00:25:12.72	Karina Hughes	I volunteer with Sausalito Beautiful. I'm a volunteer on Thursday nights.
00:25:18.39	Karina Hughes	um,
00:25:19.09	Karina Hughes	meditation practice. And so I'm doing that.
00:25:21.95	Karina Hughes	locally here.
00:25:23.61	Karina Hughes	Um,
00:25:24.94	Karina Hughes	And I've been involved in a number of different activities like Botching League. And yes, I'm a member of different groups through which I have met many people and I'm engaged, right, with the community. One of the things that is important to me is the parks, the health of the parks, and their importance to both visitors and to local residents. So that's why I'm involved with Saucyuta Beautiful and getting out and digging up the weeds and doing what I can do on different days with my local residents. In a point in my life where I'm able to have a little bit more time to spend. So I show up here. I've been Zooming off and on for years into city council. So I like to be kept, I like to be involved as best I possibly can when I can. My father was a World War II vet. He served in the Pacific. The marineship is really important to me, the legacy of the marineship. The nexus of this beautiful topography, the place where we live, the gem that is Sausalito is extremely important to me and the health of this society and this community.
00:26:43.44	Karina Hughes	this was an opportunity for me to step forward and maybe do a little bit more. My next, my, um,
00:26:50.56	Karina Hughes	My wheelhouse is branding, business, advertising, marketing. So I come into this from a little bit different perspective in that I'm looking at what is that nexus between the visitors and our residents and what will continue to make this city not just
00:27:12.10	Karina Hughes	prosperous and profitable right but is engaging for uh residents so that's why i'm involved in different things as well um uh i think that's that's it but i love this city and i love the community and um so just want to help as much as i can
00:27:32.45	Unknown	Thank you. As much as I can.
00:27:33.61	Unknown	Thank you. Questions for Ms. Hughes?
00:27:36.79	Kellerman	Sure. Are there any particular types of events or projects that you could see yourself spearheading? We heard some great examples from other applicants tonight. Anything you want to talk about?
00:27:44.65	Karina Hughes	and snow.
00:27:46.35	Karina Hughes	Yeah. So in the business world, I was involved in doing things like everything from building and running an on-site event for 300 people with 14 speakers. I've been involved in working with different innovation teams and accelerators. I don't have an idea around what I might spearhead for Sausalito, for the Parks and Recs, but...
00:28:14.89	Karina Hughes	But I've been involved in many different activities in which it required the management of multiple people coming together to produce things from T-shirts to banners to, you know, sound production and everything else. And that comes from also being in advertising and radio, television, print background. That was one example anyway. Yeah.
00:28:45.20	Unknown	Other questions?
00:28:47.83	Karina Hughes	Thank you.
00:28:47.85	Unknown	Okay.
00:28:48.08	Unknown	Thank you for being here very much. Thanks for volunteering.
00:28:51.88	Unknown	So, Ms. Michelle McCullough. Welcome.
00:29:00.52	Michelle McCullough	Hello, thank you for having me. I'm Michelle McCullough.
00:29:01.08	Unknown	Thank you.
00:29:01.38	Unknown	THE FAMILY.
00:29:03.96	Michelle McCullough	And well, let's say, so I'm born and raised here in the Bay Area. I grew up in Walnut Creek.
00:29:08.69	Michelle McCullough	went to school in San Francisco and Oakland, lived in San Francisco for almost 20 years.
00:29:14.17	Michelle McCullough	I had a business.
00:29:15.86	Michelle McCullough	on Union Street in San Francisco for over a decade and then decided
00:29:20.16	Michelle McCullough	in 2016 to move to Sausalito.
00:29:23.94	Michelle McCullough	which I never thought I'd be living here. And I'll tell you why. When I was a kid, my parents brought us to Sausalito because their best friends lived here.
00:29:31.75	Michelle McCullough	And you have to imagine as a kid, I never thought that I would be able to afford to live in Sausalito. But thankfully, I was able to build my business in San Francisco. I just sold it last year. So I've had the privilege to really take the time to walk around the city for the last year.
00:29:50.00	Michelle McCullough	and really take it in.
00:29:52.36	Michelle McCullough	and see what is it that I want to do next.
00:29:56.05	Michelle McCullough	I definitely identify as an entrepreneur. I'm the daughter of immigrants. My father and mother met in San Francisco in an ESL class. That's how I got my name, Michelle Maybel.
00:30:05.32	Michelle McCullough	I speak Spanish. My father immigrated from Iran and my mother immigrated from El Salvador.
00:30:10.43	Michelle McCullough	And I'm married to an Italian man, so now I speak Italian. And interestingly, I met my husband here.
00:30:17.59	Michelle McCullough	Little by little, I started to realize that I was always meant to be here because I truly feel that there is something I meant to build in the city.
00:30:26.06	Michelle McCullough	but I don't know what it is yet. I'm a firm believer. And if you build it, they will come. So what,
00:30:31.69	Michelle McCullough	really ignited my interest and how I could serve this community.
00:30:35.95	Michelle McCullough	First started as an entrepreneur workshop in the library.
00:30:39.49	Michelle McCullough	How to Start a Business in Sausalito.
00:30:41.63	Michelle McCullough	As I started to meet more members that serve this community,
00:30:45.28	Michelle McCullough	I realized that my background in project management,
00:30:48.42	Michelle McCullough	event management,
00:30:49.99	Michelle McCullough	talent acquisition and talent development,
00:30:52.40	Michelle McCullough	might be useful to this community,
00:30:54.36	Michelle McCullough	As well as working for a landscape design company.
00:30:57.61	Michelle McCullough	and
00:30:59.30	Michelle McCullough	being pretty good at getting a lot of stuff for free when you put on events.
00:31:02.00	Katie Thau Garcia	When you put on.
00:31:03.52	Michelle McCullough	And that comes from working for a nonprofit for five years. So I've got a mixed background from working as a TV host, TV correspondent,
00:31:11.97	Michelle McCullough	event production, film production. James might be familiar with my talent agency because he
00:31:19.81	Michelle McCullough	similar to James.
00:31:21.15	Michelle McCullough	I'm also very interested in bringing film.
00:31:24.51	Michelle McCullough	to this city. I think it would be great to have films in the park.
00:31:29.34	Michelle McCullough	outdoor screenings are really
00:31:31.57	Michelle McCullough	a great way to bring the community together.
00:31:34.06	Michelle McCullough	And because so many.
00:31:36.06	Michelle McCullough	films, classic films were filmed here in San Francisco and Sausalito.
00:31:41.17	Michelle McCullough	I want the younger community to understand
00:31:45.78	Michelle McCullough	What's so exciting about Sausalito? Why my parents partied here? What was so exciting about it? Well, let's look at the plant's revival and rock and roll and music coming back. Let's look at my favorite, the Sausalito Center of Arts.
00:32:00.00	Michelle McCullough	I buy art there and I get to meet the artists and I get to
00:32:04.88	Michelle McCullough	Meet other people in my community that have similar interests. I'm a big fan of the yard sale because I love picking and garage sales and finding goodies.
00:32:13.70	Michelle McCullough	And I'm the type of person that is not afraid to roll up her sleeves and get dirty. So if it's pulling weeds or picking up poop at the dog park, I'm all about it. I have a dog. You've probably seen me around town. It's a big old Rottweiler.
00:32:26.75	Michelle McCullough	And I've seen some questionable things at the dog park and other things.
00:32:31.64	Michelle McCullough	behaviors that I think are kind of strange.
00:32:33.85	Michelle McCullough	And I feel like that's because we're not really...
00:32:37.88	Michelle McCullough	respecting each other in this community. I see
00:32:41.53	Michelle McCullough	different communities kind of colliding.
00:32:43.98	Michelle McCullough	And I think parks and rec bring us all together in that way. So I'd really just like to apply that.
00:32:47.69	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
00:32:47.93	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
00:32:50.10	Michelle McCullough	my love for this city, my entrepreneurial spirit, and my project management to Parks and Rec.
00:32:59.82	Unknown	Thank you very much. Let's remember, tell me.
00:33:02.69	Kellerman	Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for all of that. And sorry, we have a long list and it's arranged by everybody's application. So I'm scrolling and trying to keep track. You guys are all so accomplished.
00:33:14.81	Kellerman	It looks like I'm trying to read my screen. But I did see your work with International Latino Film Festival.
00:33:21.02	Kellerman	And I do have a little bit of envy when Mill Valley has their film festival. And I would love to hear your thoughts and how we might bring the International Latino Film Festival to Sausalito.
00:33:32.22	Michelle McCullough	So I'll tell you, unfortunately, the International Latino Film Festival is no longer. I was the San Francisco director of events for five years until my former boss ended that festival and moved down.
00:33:33.03	Kellerman	the internet.
00:33:42.82	Michelle McCullough	to Mexico that transformed into the San Francisco Latino Film Festival, which my agency sponsors.
00:33:50.06	Michelle McCullough	Thank you.
00:33:50.16	Michelle McCullough	So that would be very easy. We would just have to find places that we can screen. But I'll tell you what, Lucho Ramirez, who is a good friend of mine in the...
00:33:53.16	Stacey Cray	places.
00:33:57.97	Michelle McCullough	president of that nonprofit.
00:33:59.98	Michelle McCullough	would love to
00:34:01.08	Michelle McCullough	to connect with the city and it would be very easy to bring Spanish films to Sausalito and it would bring me no greater joy to do that and outdoor screenings would be a great way to introduce this community to Latino films.
00:34:15.29	Unknown	Thank you.
00:34:15.96	Cox	Thank you.
00:34:17.11	Michelle McCullough	Thank you.
00:34:17.16	Unknown	Thank you.
00:34:17.20	Michelle McCullough	Thank you.
00:34:17.24	Unknown	you.
00:34:17.47	Michelle McCullough	Thank you.
00:34:18.43	Unknown	Any other questions? Thank you very much.
00:34:20.81	Unknown	Thank you.
00:34:20.96	Cox	Thank you so much. I don't have a question, but I do want to thank you for your participation in the teaching series here.
00:34:27.62	Michelle McCullough	Oh, I'm all about it. Tessa's doing a great job, Nikita, who I met, and it's encouraging me to really meet more of the business owners in town and support local business.
00:34:36.40	Michelle McCullough	Yeah. Thank you so much for that. Thank you.
00:34:40.63	Unknown	And our last person is Frank Millian.
00:34:44.65	Frank Millian	Welcome, sir.
00:34:47.25	Frank Millian	Hi, and thanks for having me. You're welcome. My name is Frank Mylan. I live up on Cloudview. I relocated here to Sausalito.
00:34:53.76	Frank Millian	when I retired in 2012. I spent my entire career in the private aviation sector. I was a pilot starting out as a pilot
00:35:02.32	Frank Millian	And then moving into senior management, I ran several various companies that provided business aviation services to those owners of the aircraft.
00:35:11.38	Frank Millian	And since retiring, I wanted to stay in the business and give back to some of the companies. And one of the things I'm currently doing is conducting aviation safety audits, where I go into an operation.
00:35:25.12	Frank Millian	And we review their operating standards to see if they are up to par with industry best practices. And if they have a very active and productive safety management system, that all takes a couple of days to get it through. They get through the audit successfully, then they will be issued a certain safety rating that they can actually put on their website saying that they meet the standard, et cetera, et cetera. My interest in being part of the Parks and Recreation Commission is that I'm very, very active in sports. I currently and have been for over 30 years playing a men's hardball league. I play in national tournaments. I've won eight World Series rings. I play a lot of pickleball down at MLK.
00:36:07.47	Frank Millian	And I understand that there's an interest to expand the pickleball courts over to Marin
00:36:12.45	Frank Millian	Marine ship.
00:36:14.05	Frank Millian	And I just would like to offer a player's perspective to any growth that the, you know, that you might have in pickleball. And that's, that's my story.
00:36:27.66	Unknown	Thank you.
00:36:27.69	Frank Millian	question.
00:36:27.89	Unknown	and the other questions.
00:36:28.04	Frank Millian	please
00:36:28.62	Unknown	you
00:36:29.29	Kellerman	Yes, I also play pickleball and I will also be looking for you.
00:36:33.12	Frank Millian	Wednesday, Friday, every morning.
00:36:33.21	Kellerman	I'm not sure.
00:36:35.23	Kellerman	Oh, what time? So I know he's going to be on my team. Are you kidding me? So a question for you. You guys all probably know that the Parks and Rec Department is one of the only departments that has the opportunity to be revenue generating with its events. You mentioned pickleball, one of the fastest growing sports. Do you have any thoughts about how we might build out a pickleball reputation, so to speak, in Southern Marin and
00:37:00.41	Kellerman	whether that would be a direction you would want the city to go in?
00:37:04.29	Frank Millian	Well, I mean, you could, like in Marin City, they have the pickleball courts over there, and those cost money. You have to pay in order to reserve it for an hour or whatever it is. So there's possibly a revenue generation that could come from opening up the new courts. I understand that there's...
00:37:22.04	Frank Millian	There's lights over there, which means that
00:37:24.69	Frank Millian	You're you'll be playing the evening hours, of course, there's a cost associated with that. So to participate in that, you know, a fee could be charged for use of the courts from whatever hours that the lights would be on.
00:37:38.36	Frank Millian	That's one thing you could also have. I mean, there's so much popularity in the pickleball community is that you could you could actually have, especially if you have enough courts, you could put together tournament play.
00:37:49.63	Frank Millian	And I think you'd be a lot of interest in that because people are just out there, you know, playing around and having fun and all that kind of stuff. But some of them are really serious.
00:37:57.78	Frank Millian	And I think you could get some serious activity if you had some kind of a tournament play. And I played in so many tournaments, I could certainly aid in putting together how the tournament would start and how it would end.
00:38:14.20	Sandra Bushmuth	Thank you.
00:38:16.48	Unknown	Any other questions?
00:38:18.54	Unknown	I want to ask you some aviation questions, but I'll set that aside.
00:38:22.07	Unknown	and talk to you about it another time. I used to be an aircraft designer, so.
00:38:25.73	Unknown	But that's all the time we have for questions. So thank you so much.
00:38:28.24	Unknown	Thank you.
00:38:29.48	Unknown	Thanks.
00:38:30.57	Unknown	And thanks to everyone who is here. Ms. Benton, Stella Benton, she was not able to make her point in time. So that is the end of the interviews. And really do appreciate your volunteers. And later today, we will be selecting the candidates for the commission. But no matter what, thank you. And please stay involved. It's really good to see you all here. We're now gonna move on to our closed session. So we're gonna discuss two matters, the Conference of Legal Counsel on Existing Litigation, Yes, In My Backyard versus City of Sausalito. Actually, that is the only matter we're gonna be discussing.
00:39:07.28	Unknown	So we'll take public comment on that matter. Is there any public comment, city clerk?
00:39:11.28	Mayor Sobieski	If any members of the public would like to make a comment on closed session, please fill out one of those slips over by the television. On Zoom, seeing none, and here in Council Chamber, seeing none.
00:39:23.66	Unknown	Okay. Thank you, City Clerk. We'll close public comment and move on to closed session. We'll resume at 7 p.m. All right. We will resume the public meeting. Welcome to everyone who's here. Just an announcement that Councilmember Blasdain is running late. She will join the meeting when she arrives. There are no announcements from closed session, and we'll begin today's meeting with a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.
00:39:28.86	Mayor Sobieski	Virginia.
00:39:46.97	Unknown	Thank you.
00:39:57.36	Unknown	Thank you.
00:40:00.72	Unknown	Yeah.
00:40:01.97	Unknown	And we will now have a few announcements. I will start with the good news that we are proud to announce that our own Mr. Jim Gabbard is going to be this year's 4th of July Parade Grand Marshal.
00:40:14.66	Unknown	Jim Hook.
00:40:18.61	Unknown	Jim has been a resident of Sausalito since the early 1960s and spent his first 30 years living on a boat. He is best known for his 50s dance parties on Kofi TV 20, which he owned until 1998.
00:40:30.35	Unknown	He is a pioneer of FM radio broadcasting and was inducted into the Bay Area Hall of Fame, Radio Hall of Fame in 2006.
00:40:38.70	Unknown	Among his many accomplishments, he has been Grand Marshal of the Lighted Boat Parade for 38 years and is a founding member and vice president of Sausalito on the Waterfront Foundation.
00:40:48.98	Unknown	Jim has served as Commodore of the Sausalito Yacht Club, Chair of the Sausalito Chamber of Commerce, and President of the Sausalito Art Festival. We're excited to honor his commitment to Sausalito during our Independence Day celebrations, not least because of his help in making the fireworks happen this year. So congratulations to Jim, and we'll see him on the 4th of July.
00:41:08.66	Unknown	Uh,
00:41:10.14	Unknown	Also, as an update and bit of celebration, we've asked Reason Bradley to come here this evening to give us an update on the Sea Lion sculpture reinstallation. So, Mr. Bradley, I think I saw you here or is he in the hall?
00:41:25.03	Unknown	I see. Good timing.
00:41:27.56	Unknown	City manager. There he is. Reason, you're up. Mr. Bradley, you're up.
00:41:31.41	Unknown	Uh,
00:41:31.54	Reason Bradley	All right.
00:41:31.79	Unknown	Thank you.
00:41:32.20	Unknown	So please give us an update.
00:41:33.63	Reason Bradley	Okay hi i'm reason Bradley I got tapped to help with the sea lion project. When it fell off of its pedestal a year and a half ago so.
00:41:46.20	Reason Bradley	We looked at the whole project and I learned quite a bit my whole life. I grew up in Sausalito and the sea lion was just there and I saw it wash off into the rocks. And so I offered to help
00:42:00.41	Reason Bradley	fix the sea lion and repair it. And in that I learned that this is the second time that this has happened. And so when we got our hands on the sea line, we got it all cleaned up and found that it was corroding and it had never been protected from electrolysis. So electrical currents have been eating away at it and it's degraded a bit over the years. So we did a full restoration on the sea lion and
00:42:25.49	Reason Bradley	Then we included zincs into it to help protect it for a long time. And we designed everything with the same material so we don't have dissimilar metals in the project. And the hope is that if we take care of it by changing the zincs, it will last 100 years and not fall off the rocks every 20 years. So we kind of approached it with that.
00:42:48.52	Reason Bradley	idea that we could
00:42:50.57	Reason Bradley	create something that has a little more longevity. In that, we found the hardest part was the whole permitting process and getting approval for getting the sea line put back on the rocks. But it sounds like we've made some good hit with that. And so at this point, we've designed a whole, basically a mold to design this cone-shaped form for the concrete to get poured and cast into, and that'll have these big bronze bolts cast into it that it'll sit on. So it's been really kind of a fun project for us. We've learned quite a bit about the history and some of the metallurgy and how it got installed. The first time, I think, was kind of in the middle of the night with some concrete, and some people carried it down and set it in there. but
00:43:40.97	Reason Bradley	Times have changed and we've approached it in a whole different way. So I think that we're getting very close on the 24th and 25th of this month. We're supposed to go out and pressure wash the whole site and drill into some of the rocks and put a fiberglass rebar in instead of steel. So it's it's non-conductive. And and we got some really good concrete design that's supposed to do real well in saltwater. So that was the goal, basically, is kind of how do we make this not happen again. So the hope is that we'll be long gone.
00:44:21.98	Reason Bradley	And the sea lawn will still be there.
00:44:24.64	Unknown	Great. Thank you, Reeson, and Mr. Bradley. Thank you.
00:44:29.99	Cox	Thank you.
00:44:31.22	Cox	May I just say reason it takes a village and we know that you have a whole team of people helping you in this effort. So will you kindly convey our gratitude to them as well?
00:44:40.91	Reason Bradley	Well, thank you. And I'd like to thank everyone in Sausalito because it's not just us. There's been a lot of people involved in this that have made it happen. So it's fun to see the whole community rally around that.
00:44:53.52	Unknown	Here's a question.
00:44:54.14	Reason Bradley	Holly.
00:44:54.43	Unknown	Thank you.
00:44:54.51	Reason Bradley	Sure.
00:44:54.65	Unknown	Thank you.
00:44:54.80	Reason Bradley	Thank you.
00:44:55.46	Reason Bradley	the 24th and 25th.
00:44:56.99	Councilman Hoffman	Any of your team here?
00:44:59.19	Reason Bradley	No, but there's...
00:44:59.22	Councilman Hoffman	No, but there's...
00:45:00.72	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you.
00:45:01.11	Councilman Hoffman	Let's go.
00:45:01.40	Kevin McGowan	Sure.
00:45:01.62	Councilman Hoffman	you
00:45:01.65	Kevin McGowan	Thank you.
00:45:02.17	Mary Hudson	Thank you.
00:45:02.21	Kevin McGowan	Thank you.
00:45:02.24	Mary Hudson	You know.
00:45:02.88	Reason Bradley	Yeah, the sculpture itself.
00:45:06.28	Reason Bradley	What about the date? The date? The 24th and 5th is when we're going to put the...
00:45:12.62	Reason Bradley	cast the concrete and then July 1st is when they're talking about putting the sea line back on the pedestal.
00:45:22.66	Reason Bradley	Yeah.
00:45:24.47	Reason Bradley	of
00:45:25.97	Mary Hudson	Do you have anything to add? Yeah, I'm Mary Hudson. I'm on the board of trustees for the Sausalito Foundation. So this has been the third time we've been through the episode of the sea line needing to be restored and put back out there. And it's been a really good experience. The community has been hugely supportive. We have raised lots of funds, enough funds to take care of the restoration and the installation, and also to establish a long-term maintenance to take care of the electrolysis problem that Reason just described. We don't know quite yet how much funding is going to be left for that, but we'll find out soon.
00:46:08.17	Mary Hudson	And I want to say it's been a pleasure, by the way, for us to work with the city staff. You've got a couple of dynamite people.
00:46:15.55	Mary Hudson	Katie Togarcia, who stepped in when it really wasn't her job. And then your new project manager, Sarah Kerstifar. They've both been great.
00:46:26.21	Mary Hudson	Now I just want to say that we're planning a party.
00:46:30.85	Mary Hudson	And, um,
00:46:32.03	Mary Hudson	You'll all be getting invitations.
00:46:34.40	Mary Hudson	And it's partly due to the fact that the Trident has stepped up as they did with financial support for the project. Now they're going to allow us to use the entire Trident restaurant.
00:46:46.76	Mary Hudson	for a big celebration when, uh,
00:46:49.28	Mary Hudson	when C-line is back in. That date is tentatively set
00:46:53.89	Mary Hudson	the celebration date tentatively set for July 17. And it will be a...
00:46:59.71	Mary Hudson	no-host, not a no-host, complimentary drinks and food, and you'll all be getting invitations.
00:47:06.24	Mary Hudson	Any questions?
00:47:07.96	Unknown	Any questions? Thank you.
00:47:10.96	Mary Hudson	Thank you.
00:47:11.00	Unknown	Okay.
00:47:12.20	Unknown	Thank you. And then just one note of personal privilege. There was an issue brought up over the past several meetings concerning a
00:47:21.48	Unknown	allegation of a conflict of interest regarding my participation in business improvement district and that unfortunately took the form of a sworn complaint to the fppc uh and i would like just to report to my colleagues in the community that that complaint was formally uh closed and rejected by the fppc its case number is zero four two two two zero two four dash zero one three one eight and you can go to the fppc website and see its current status is closed closed, complaint rejected. So that's just a matter of interest for everyone.
00:47:51.33	Unknown	We'll now move on to the action minutes of
00:47:54.57	Cox	Mayor, before we move on, may I? Sure. So we have an item on our agenda tonight, 5C, and the proponent reached out to the agenda setting committee around four o'clock this afternoon to ask that we continue the item.
00:48:09.15	Cox	Um,
00:48:10.26	Cox	So the item is on the agenda. We will take public comment on the item, but I am formally moving to continue the item to our first meeting in July.
00:48:23.31	Kellerman	I will second that.
00:48:24.02	Unknown	I think that we should save that motion for when the item is actually in front of us. I mean, you've given notice that you're gonna make that motion.
00:48:24.03	Cox	I think that's...
00:48:32.18	Cox	I've made a motion. There's a motion pending with a second.
00:48:35.22	Unknown	Well, I just looked to the...
00:48:37.52	Unknown	City Attorney for guidance on that it seems like it would be a courtesy to have Councilmember Blossene here, even though it seems like there may be a majority for that action.
00:48:49.48	Unknown	Nevertheless, it seems like the appropriate time to continue item is when the item is actually going to be heard.
00:48:54.71	Unknown	Thank you.
00:48:54.74	Unknown	I think.
00:48:56.48	Unknown	Yeah, since you do have to open the item and take public comment on it, I would recommend that you vote after the public comment is closed.
00:49:05.07	Unknown	Thank you, City Attorney. So we'll table that motion and bring it up again during the item at hand. Sorry, it's-
00:49:11.27	Kellerman	Sorry, if I may, Mayor, this is a matter of adopting the agenda. Is that what the Vice Mayor was articulating?
00:49:18.76	Unknown	Thank you.
00:49:19.92	Kellerman	So we're just looking for a continuance, not any type of
00:49:23.59	Kellerman	on the marriage.
00:49:24.97	Cox	It's on the agenda for direction. So all I'm seeking to do is continue the item at the request of the proponent.
00:49:31.94	Cox	So I don't know why we wouldn't entertain that request from the proponent. We've certainly done that in the past.
00:49:38.96	Unknown	Thanks, but the appropriate time for that is when the agenda item is being heard, not now.
00:49:45.08	Unknown	You've signaled you'll make that motion, but-
00:49:46.97	Cox	I've already made the motion. The motion is pending, and it's been seconded. I don't.
00:49:49.88	Unknown	Think of motions proper city attorney.
00:49:52.46	Unknown	Yeah, I am concerned about
00:49:54.97	Unknown	The council voting to take action on an item on the agenda before you take public comment. So I would suggest that we take public comment before we vote.
00:50:02.55	Unknown	To continue this, to discuss it,
00:50:04.64	Unknown	you know, or take any further action on the agenda item.
00:50:07.98	Cox	City Attorney, I'll just point out that at the end of every evening, many meetings this year, we have announced that we are continuing an item in advance of taking public comment on that item.
00:50:20.59	Cox	Numerous items as we reach the end of the evening.
00:50:25.53	Unknown	Yes. Um, I, I acknowledge that that has occurred. Um,
00:50:30.71	Cox	So I don't know why this motion would be treated differently from how we've conducted business the rest of this year.
00:50:36.84	Unknown	Well...
00:50:37.75	Unknown	I...
00:50:38.78	Unknown	I think we were giving notice that that was our intention. And I know we've sometimes been a little sloppy in our process, but the actual definitive action of continuing the matter is when the item is being heard, not
00:50:49.70	Unknown	So it was fair notice to the audience that we were going to continue the matter. And so people could decide. That's why I'm doing this.
00:50:54.78	Cox	That's why I'm doing this now. That's why I'm doing this now.
00:50:56.03	Unknown	That's why I'm doing this now. So I think that's fair notice that there probably is going to be a vote to continue the matter, but that's going to be a vote later in the evening when Councilmember Blaustein is here, I presume.
00:51:04.75	Cox	So city attorney, are you telling us not to vote on this pending motion, given our course of conduct in numerous prior meetings this year?
00:51:14.99	Unknown	What?
00:51:15.26	Cox	Thank you.
00:51:16.53	Unknown	I would suggest that it is.
00:51:19.97	Unknown	is best practice for us to wait for the agenda to be called for us to take public comment and then for us to have
00:51:26.59	Unknown	have a vote on whether to continue the item or not to continue the item.
00:51:32.61	Cox	Are you instructing us not to take action on this pending motion that's been seconded?
00:51:37.64	Unknown	That would be my recommendation, yes.
00:51:40.37	Unknown	I'm going to take that recommendation as the parliamentarians guidance to us and move on with the.
00:51:44.24	Kellerman	Yeah, so mayor I'd like to just put onto the record though Mr city attorney, we defer to you on every occasion and I just like for the record, this is an inconsistent practice based on prior action by this Council, and our mayor and Vice mayor on prior actions, so I feel uncomfortable with this and I just want to put that in for the record, thank you.
00:52:02.82	Unknown	So the action items of the previous meeting, adopting the minutes of the June 4th, 2024 city council meeting. Is there a motion to approve the minutes?
00:52:13.31	Mayor Sobieski	Uh,
00:52:13.53	Unknown	I'll make that motion to approve the June
00:52:14.63	Mayor Sobieski	to prove their children.
00:52:15.37	Mayor Sobieski	Can we ask him to pull a comment first?
00:52:16.97	Unknown	Oh yes, thank you very much. See, are there any city, any public comment on the adopting the minutes from the June 4th, 2024 City Council meeting?
00:52:27.67	Unknown	Seeing no public comments in the room. How about online, Mr. City Clerk?
00:52:31.08	Mayor Sobieski	See you, man.
00:52:32.15	Unknown	All right, we'll close public comment and we will now ask for a motion to approve the
00:52:36.77	Unknown	Minutes. I'll make the motion to approve it. Is there a second? I'll second. All right. A motion made and seconded. Any discussion? No discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye.
00:52:46.20	Unknown	Thank you.
00:52:46.22	Unknown	Bye.
00:52:46.59	Unknown	Bye.
00:52:46.68	Unknown	I'm sorry.
00:52:46.76	Unknown	Thank you.
00:52:46.79	Unknown	Thank you.
00:52:46.83	Unknown	Thank you.
00:52:48.35	Unknown	All right. The minutes are adopted.
00:52:50.98	Unknown	Now we move on to the consent calendar.
00:52:52.92	Unknown	These are for items generally considered routine and non-controversial, and they require no discussion.
00:52:58.74	Unknown	They're expected to have unanimous Council support and may be enacted by the Council on one motion.
00:53:02.99	Unknown	in the form listed below.
00:53:04.78	Unknown	There'll be no separate discussion of consent items. However, a city council member may request that an item be removed from the calendar.
00:53:10.76	Unknown	and we will then discuss it later in today's meeting.
00:53:13.51	Unknown	The first item is the June 10th National Freedom Day Proclamation, which I will read out loud in a moment. The second is the Gun Violence Awareness Day Proclamation. The third is the Alzheimer's Brain Awareness Month Proclamation, which I will also read out loud.
00:53:28.26	Unknown	the
00:53:29.20	Unknown	4th is a reappointment of Mr. Andrew Junius to the Planning Commission for a three-year term commencing on July 1, 2024 and ending June 30, 2027. 3E is waiving the second reading and adoption of Ordinance 3-2024, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito, setting fees for sewer services for fiscal year 2024-25 through fiscal year 26-27. Pursuant to Article 13,
00:53:55.88	Unknown	x three eyes and a d section six of the california constitution on the proposed sanitary sewer fees for fiscal year 24 25 through 26 27. 3f adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to award the construction contract of 429.5 johnson street tenant improvement project to mars construction in an amount of 309 000 and authorize a construction contingency for the project in an amount of $81,000. Receive and file the employee retention recruitment update is 3G. Before I read the proclamations, is there any item that anyone wishes to remove?
00:54:32.31	Councilman Hoffman	I don't want to remove this item, but item 3D, which is reappointment of Andrew Junius.
00:54:39.57	Councilman Hoffman	The staff report, I sent an email to the city manager and our city clerk. The staff report had some inaccuracies in it. It looked like it was part of a staff report that was copied, cut and pasted from last summer. And so also on process. And I had expected the process for appointments to second terms on the planning commission to be included in the staff report. That's why I was looking through it, because we had a lot of discussion about this last summer.
00:55:11.45	Councilman Hoffman	So,
00:55:13.27	Councilman Hoffman	I believe our current policy is that if you are up for your second term on the Planning Commission, that we are not going to post that as an open position. We are not going to take applications and we're not going to vote on that. We're going to merely reappoint if the, absent some other issue, if the commissioner elects that they would want to do a second term.
00:55:39.91	Councilman Hoffman	Is that? Okay.
00:55:41.72	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you.
00:55:41.74	Cox	That was not my understanding. My understanding was we were not going to abdicate our responsibility for reviewing and considering an appointment, but that we would put it on consent. But we're not going to just automatically reappoint without considering other applications.
00:55:58.98	Councilman Hoffman	Fair enough. So my question then is, did we post this and did we solicit applications for this position and post it as open?
00:56:09.46	Mayor Sobieski	So the city website continually gets applications. There was no opening period because there was no vacancy or term expiration. And it was directed that we put on the agenda to reappoint Mr. Andrew Junius.
00:56:27.70	Councilman Hoffman	So I think that's an ambiguity in our process. And it seems to me that we haven't correctly followed the process. And I just want to be clear, because I don't want to have questions about it later.
00:56:42.47	Unknown	I asked the same question. So my understanding of the answer, Councilmember, is that we recently had those interviews for the open commission that David Marlott was posted and that there were those applications still
00:56:55.19	Unknown	in submittal from there were a few candidates that and that's what city clerk also verified is that the that he would still accept these and so it's certainly our prerogative if you if anyone so chose to pull this off consent not appoint Mr junius and instead make a motion to appoint one of the people we recently interviewed a few months back.
00:57:15.65	Councilman Hoffman	Well, I think my concern is a little bit different.
00:57:20.76	Councilman Hoffman	I think if we're going to consider, as I believe that's what our Vice Mayor just said, is that we're going to consider
00:57:27.56	Councilman Hoffman	other appointments, but
00:57:29.03	Councilman Hoffman	based on prior applications or maybe even new applications.
00:57:33.21	Councilman Hoffman	I think if it's unclear to me, then it must be unclear to other people. And if we haven't,
00:57:37.60	Councilman Hoffman	notice this as an open
00:57:41.20	Councilman Hoffman	or not open, but as a, well, a re-employment. And if you're interested, either indicate that if you've been, you know, if you've been interviewed before, are you still interested? So I think it's a, I understand it's a fine tuning of sort of how we're taking direction. I just want to make sure that we're following the same process and we're fair and open and transparent about the way we're doing business. And so I'm not going to, what I would request is that we follow that process, which I think the vice mayor just indicated.
00:58:16.97	Councilman Hoffman	this term is expiring, that the first term is expiring. Perhaps it is notice that the term is expiring.
00:58:28.56	Councilman Hoffman	Karen Hollweg, You know he has indicated that the current and sitting member can serve two terms he's indicated that he is willing to do another term, but you know anybody interested should either present an application and if you've been interviewed in the last whatever year if you're still interested, you know, let us know, I mean I think. Karen Hollweg, I think that's what we're doing.
00:58:50.23	Councilman Hoffman	Is that anybody just I mean, I think that's what we're doing. So I think.
00:58:52.66	Unknown	I think in this case we had our application so recently that we are welcome to appoint someone else if we want to pull this off consent.
00:58:59.36	Councilman Hoffman	We haven't properly noticed it. We haven't properly noticed it, too, that this seat is expiring, that it's open, and that, you know, if you're interested, submit an application. I mean, I think that we should follow that. If that's our process, I support that. But I think we need to clearly follow that procedure from now going forward. And I would hope that that would be in the minutes, and I would hope that for any future cycles for the Planning Commission that someone would be able to easily find this process and follow it.
00:59:33.80	Unknown	So you're giving that extra clarification to our city clerk for future process.
00:59:38.64	Councilman Hoffman	To everybody. And if it's in the minutes, then we should be able to reference it and say, no, at this meeting we clarified and this is the process. And I would expect Commissioner Junius' application to be on the next city council meeting.
00:59:50.71	Unknown	So you're asking it to be pulled from the agenda? Yeah. From the consent matter? Yes.
00:59:53.02	Councilman Hoffman	Yeah, yes.
00:59:54.42	Councilman Hoffman	Yeah, and properly noticed and followed the procedure that we outlined.
00:59:55.15	Unknown	I'm not properly noticed.
00:59:56.80	Unknown	right so we'll pull that out i'm actually just going to put it first on the agenda because it's a business because the otherwise there'll be a vacancy at the next city uh planning commission meeting
01:00:05.93	Unknown	So we'll hear that matter first on our business agenda.
01:00:09.61	Unknown	Oh, no.
01:00:10.55	Councilman Hoffman	No, it doesn't need to go in the business agenda. Just put it on the consent calendar.
01:00:13.27	Unknown	No, the question of whether we have to have a proper discussion about the matter. I think there's more. Sorry. So from the consent calendar, putting out the first business item.
01:00:17.36	Councilman Hoffman	Oh, sorry.
01:00:18.37	Councilman Hoffman	Oh, okay.
01:00:21.57	Unknown	of this meeting. Anything else to come off consent?
01:00:26.40	Unknown	It should, I hope, be quick. If it's not quick, I mean, it seems like...
01:00:29.25	Councilman Hoffman	I think I just...
01:00:30.03	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you.
01:00:30.13	Unknown	I don't think that we need a lot of discussion about the process, but let's just either agree or not and move on. So let me just read out loud the proclamation of the city of Sausalito declaring June 19, 2024 as Juneteenth National Freedom Day, whereas on September 22, 1862, President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation,
01:00:30.35	Councilman Hoffman	Just summarize it.
01:00:34.30	Unknown	Great.
01:00:51.43	Unknown	officially ending slavery, changing the status of more than 3.5 million enslaved African-Americans in the Confederate States of America.
01:00:59.07	Unknown	And whereas in remembrance and celebration of the June 19th,
01:01:02.63	Unknown	1865 announcement of the abolition of slavery. We celebrate Juneteenth.
01:01:06.97	Unknown	also known as emancipation day or freedom day as the true anniversary
01:01:12.08	Unknown	an oldest known celebration commemorating the end of slavery in the United States, and whereas those who were free from bondage celebrated their long-overdue emancipation on June 19th, today our city commemorates, on the 19th, our city commemorates Juneteenth, a chance to celebrate human freedom, reflect on the grievous and ongoing legacy of slavery, we dedicate ourselves to rooting out the systemic racism that continues to plague our society as we strive to deliver the full promise of America to every American. And whereas on Juneteenth we recommit to our shared work to ensure racial justice, equity, and equality in America, we commemorate the centuries of struggle and progress led by abolitionists, educators, civil rights advocates, lawyers, activists, trade unionists, religious leaders, public officials, and everyday Americans who have brought our communities closer to fulfilling its promise. Now therefore, be it resolved that I,
01:02:05.34	Unknown	Ian Sobieski, Mayor of the City of Sausalito and the City Council of Sausalito, hereby proclaim June 19, 2024 as Juneteenth National Freedom Day and encourage the community to unite in solidarity and continue to fight for justice. That proclamation will be read aloud and given at a Juneteenth celebration tomorrow.
01:02:24.64	Unknown	I would also like to rectify having missed reading last
01:02:28.95	Unknown	month at the last city council meeting.
01:02:30.79	Unknown	the proclamation of the city of Sausalito about Alzheimer's and brain awareness month.
01:02:35.21	Unknown	Whereas over 6 million Americans live with Alzheimer's disease, a form of dementia that deprives people of their precious memories, thoughts, and identity. During National Alzheimer's Disease Awareness Month, we honor the extraordinary courage and strength and resilience of people facing this devastating disease. We recognize the support of families and caregivers who stand by their loved ones' side and help them age with dignity. We resolve to continue advancing scientific research and treatment options to ensure a brighter future for all Americans facing Alzheimer's. And whereas Alzheimer's remains a leading cause of death in older adults, it exacts an emotional, physical, and financial toll on the entire family of those who are diagnosed, especially for African Americans and Latinos who are more likely to develop symptoms of dementia than other races and ethnicities. And for individuals with Down syndrome who are at higher risk.
01:03:27.50	Unknown	of Alzheimer's.
01:03:28.80	Unknown	And whereas we recognize the millions of Americans who are living with the impact of this condition every day and all the incredible caregivers, doctors, researchers and advocates supporting them. And whereas we call on the people to support those living with Alzheimer's and the many people who continue to show extraordinary and tireless effort to combat this disorder. Now, therefore, the mayor and city of Sausalito, the city council of the city of Sausalito, proclaim June 2024 as Alzheimer's and brain awareness month in the city of Sausalito, the city council of the city of Sausalito proclaim June 2024 as Alzheimer's and brain awareness month in the city of Sausalito.
01:04:00.51	Unknown	So with that reading and with item 3D removed and put at the beginning of our business calendars, our motion to approve the consent calendar. Public comment. Oh, thank you very much, C clerks.
01:04:09.12	Mayor Sobieski	Uh,
01:04:11.31	Cox	I also have a question about one item on the
01:04:13.74	Unknown	A question, please, for me.
01:04:13.76	Cox	Thank you.
01:04:15.24	Cox	Thank you. And I think Kevin McGowan is here. My question is on item 3F. We are approving a construction contract in the amount of $309,000. We have a contingency in the amount of $81,000.
01:04:29.37	Cox	typically contingencies are 10 or 20%. This contingency is a huge percentage of the total project. And so I was wondering why such a large contingency.
01:04:40.47	McDougall	Send them.
01:04:44.20	McDougall	to be interested.
01:04:44.96	Unknown	Hello, Director McGowan. The Vice Mayor has a question for you.
01:04:47.19	Cox	Sorry, I didn't realize you weren't in the room. This is on item 3F for the Mars construction contract. We're awarding a contract in the amount of $309,000 and authorizing contingency in the amount of $81,000. Typically, contingency is 10 or 20%. This is a very large percentage contingency, and I was just curious as to why.
01:05:06.16	Kevin McGowan	Yes, it's a remodel project, interior work. It's a little bit different than our normal roadway projects, so to have a normal 10% contingency, since we don't know everything about the building, especially when we open it up, we are recommending that you have an additional contingency in order to address these inconsistencies as they come up.
01:05:26.42	Cox	And is this covered by our grant funding?
01:05:29.07	Kevin McGowan	Yes.
01:05:29.38	Cox	Thank you.
01:05:29.71	Cox	Okay, I'm good. Thank you so much.
01:05:33.61	Unknown	Yeah.
01:05:36.46	Unknown	I was going to actually ask for a graph to be shown from the last consent item, but I think I'll just ask Chad, just be prepared if you would. I'd love to see the churn slide from the consent item shown as part of the business item on finance when you get a chance.
01:05:49.24	Unknown	There are public comment, please, from the audience.
01:05:51.70	Mayor Sobieski	Jeff Jacobs.
01:05:55.78	Jeff Jacobs	Greetings, Mr. Mayor, City Council, City Employees.
01:06:01.28	Jeff Jacobs	Citizens of Sausalito?
01:06:04.59	Jeff Jacobs	And those anchored out on Rainbow Bay
01:06:09.39	Jeff Jacobs	This is about item number 3A, Juneteenth.
01:06:14.65	Jeff Jacobs	Juneteenth.
01:06:16.89	Jeff Jacobs	is the belated discovery
01:06:20.78	Jeff Jacobs	that the slaves had been freed.
01:06:24.34	Jeff Jacobs	It was more than months after the war ended.
01:06:27.78	Jeff Jacobs	It was years after the Emancipation Proclamation.
01:06:31.04	Jeff Jacobs	as well.
01:06:33.01	Jeff Jacobs	For the first 30 years,
01:06:36.27	Jeff Jacobs	It was called Jubilee Day.
01:06:39.81	Jeff Jacobs	My 27 foot sloop is called Jubilee 2.
01:06:44.42	Jeff Jacobs	And
01:06:45.68	Jeff Jacobs	I'd like this item renamed.
01:06:48.74	Jeff Jacobs	to Jubilee.
01:06:52.01	Jeff Jacobs	Isaiah 61 says, the spirit of the Lord God is upon me because the Lord has anointed me to bring good tidings unto the humble.
01:07:01.76	Jeff Jacobs	He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted.
01:07:04.53	Jeff Jacobs	to proclaim liberty of the captives,
01:07:07.27	Jeff Jacobs	the opening of the eyes to them that are bound.
01:07:13.31	Jeff Jacobs	So Jubilee means...
01:07:15.45	Jeff Jacobs	that the captives and the slaves are set free.
01:07:18.96	Jeff Jacobs	Sausalito Police Department has been much better, especially on houseless people in anchor outs the past few years. I appreciate that.
01:07:27.62	Jeff Jacobs	We still have millions in prison in America, more per capita than any other country.
01:07:33.56	Jeff Jacobs	The debts are forgiven.
01:07:35.51	Jeff Jacobs	that everything does not revolve around money. Even the farmer has to wrest the land.
01:07:41.27	Jeff Jacobs	for a year.
01:07:43.11	Jeff Jacobs	and that everybody is given an equal portion
01:07:46.21	Jeff Jacobs	of land to live on.
01:07:48.14	Jeff Jacobs	Not equal in area, but equal in value.
01:07:53.30	Jeff Jacobs	Sounds like a good message to me.
01:07:57.32	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
01:07:57.91	Mayor Sobieski	Any other public comment? Yeah, Bet MacDougall.
01:07:58.13	Peter Van Meter	Bye-bye.
01:08:07.26	McDougall	Thank you.
01:08:08.03	McDougall	Thank you.
01:08:08.05	Unknown	Thank you.
01:08:08.07	McDougall	Thank you.
01:08:08.79	McDougall	Are we allowed to speak to any of these things that were just like...
01:08:11.66	Unknown	Any of the consent calendar items.
01:08:13.33	McDougall	Including the one that is going to be pulled.
01:08:15.20	Unknown	Except for Mr. Junius's item, that's going to be the next business item.
01:08:18.29	McDougall	All right.
01:08:19.09	Unknown	So no comments on that here.
01:08:20.81	McDougall	Thank you.
01:08:21.18	Unknown	I'll reserve. Thank you.
01:08:21.25	Mayor Sobieski	I'll reserve.
01:08:21.74	McDougall	Thank you.
01:08:25.03	Unknown	Thank you.
01:08:25.04	Mayor Sobieski	All right. Yeah, we have online we have civil booty.
01:08:33.70	Unknown	Miss Boutillier, go right ahead.
01:08:38.81	Sybil Boutillier	Um,
01:08:40.85	Sybil Boutillier	Good evening. Can you hear me OK? I'm a little hoarse.
01:08:44.60	Unknown	I can hear you just fine. Please go right ahead.
01:08:46.63	Sybil Boutillier	Yes, sir.
01:08:47.69	Sybil Boutillier	So we greatly appreciate your willingness
01:08:50.52	Sybil Boutillier	to focus a moment of attention on the proclamation,
01:08:56.01	Sybil Boutillier	excuse me, Alzheimer's month
01:08:59.16	Sybil Boutillier	So,
01:09:00.04	Sybil Boutillier	and its meaning for the elder community here in South Salido and throughout Morin.
01:09:04.65	Sybil Boutillier	There's no adult daycare for folks with memory issues in the County of Marin at this time.
01:09:11.53	Sybil Boutillier	So if family members need respite from daily care,
01:09:15.74	Sybil Boutillier	They need to arrange for their loved ones to be transported
01:09:19.15	Sybil Boutillier	to San Francisco or Roanoke Park,
01:09:21.68	Sybil Boutillier	for daycare programs, and elder advocates are working to resolve this. But we also need more residential home-like care settings for folks who need more assistance and can no longer be cared for at home by family and friends. These and more support services
01:09:40.49	Sybil Boutillier	for family caregivers and better benefits for paid caregivers are all needed
01:09:47.73	Sybil Boutillier	as according to the Alzheimer's Association in 2024, one in nine persons over age 65 are living with Alzheimer's disease.
01:10:00.17	Sybil Boutillier	So I want to thank you for acknowledging this important issue.
01:10:03.97	Sybil Boutillier	by proclaiming the month of June, Alzheimer's and Brain Awareness Month,
01:10:08.37	Sybil Boutillier	And.
01:10:08.96	Sybil Boutillier	Thank you.
01:10:13.62	Mayor Sobieski	All right, Scott Thornburg.
01:10:19.56	Scott Thornburg	Hi, good evening, Council. Thank you for your attention tonight. I just wanted to say congratulations to the city manager for a great staff report. The numbers around staff churn I was really impressed by, and I just wanted to thank him publicly for the hard work. I know it's a challenging time, and just wanted to say thank you to him. Also, in one of our recent budget discussions, I do think there was a stray comment around cuts to staff. And I just want to publicly say from the community that we really value our staff. We really appreciate the hard work.
01:10:51.72	Scott Thornburg	And I would encourage you to discontinue any
01:10:54.83	Scott Thornburg	consideration.
01:10:55.96	Scott Thornburg	of cutting back any of our staff members as part of your budget discussions this evening.
01:11:01.56	Scott Thornburg	The report from the city manager, I think, was exceptional and shows the hard work and dedication of our staff, and we should really be applauding them in their efforts. So thank you for that, and enjoy the rest of your evening here.
01:11:19.30	Mayor Sobieski	And Sandra Bushmaker.
01:11:22.03	Sandra Bushmuth	Good evening, counsel. Thank you so much for the proclamation regarding Alzheimer's and other brain issues.
01:11:28.41	Sandra Bushmuth	You may not be aware, but I'm a long-term care ombudsman for the county of Marin.
01:11:33.52	Sandra Bushmuth	And I routinely visit the facilities to which I'm assigned, many of which have memory care issues. And I just, I think it's really an important thing. I endorse Sybil's comments about the need for further care in this area, and I hope we can
01:11:50.50	Sandra Bushmuth	you know, raise it to our consciousness here in Sausalito.
01:11:53.87	Sandra Bushmuth	So just wanted to let you know that I appreciate the proclamation. Thank you.
01:12:01.30	Mayor Sobieski	Okay, no further public comment.
01:12:02.31	Unknown	it.
01:12:02.41	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
01:12:04.28	Unknown	All right, we'll close public comment on that and we will vote on the consent. Oh, I think you had a question, Vice Mayor. No, did I mess it up? No, I was gonna make a motion. Oh yes, okay. Let's have a motion please.
01:12:09.38	Cox	Did I mess it up?
01:12:12.42	Cox	I move approval of consent items 3A through 3C and 3E through 3G.
01:12:20.67	Cox	Thank you.
01:12:21.38	Cox	Second.
01:12:22.07	Blaustein	Thank you.
01:12:22.81	Unknown	All right. Any discussion? Seeing none, let's have a vote. All in favor? Aye. Opposed?
01:12:27.34	Blaustein	Hi.
01:12:28.65	Unknown	None opposed consent item consent calendar is approved. There are no public hearing items. The first business item will be the reappointment of Andrew Junius to the planning commission for a three year term commencing on July 1, 2024 and in July 30, 2027. Is there any staffs available to answer any questions? I guess the city clerk already answered some. It's formally on the table for any discussion.
01:12:54.60	Councilman Hoffman	So I'll just summarize my comments before. I am concerned that it's not clear what our process is for reappointment to second terms for the Planning Commission. So we had some discussion about this last summer.
01:13:12.78	Councilman Hoffman	And the vice mayor summarized it. I'm not gonna be able to summarize it.
01:13:18.31	Councilman Hoffman	Do you want to repeat your summary?
01:13:20.85	Councilman Hoffman	I mean, I think we need to know, I think there was a, we didn't, I think we are deficient in our process. This time around, I think we need to notice it, that this term is expiring, that we,
01:13:33.59	Councilman Hoffman	We were going to do a reappointment and that if you are interested in it, you should put your
01:13:37.48	Councilman Hoffman	application in or that you should notice
01:13:40.42	Cox	Yeah, I think we did not want to abdicate our appointment authority by automatically reappointing without consideration. And so when someone's term is expiring, we make it known that the term is expiring, and we invite the...
01:13:57.68	Cox	Thank you.
01:13:57.77	Cox	existing holder to reapply, but we also open it up to other applications so that we're reappointing with full knowledge. But because they are embarking on a second term, we're going to put it on consent. So then unless there's a reason not to reappoint, it's a matter of routine.
01:14:18.02	Councilman Hoffman	So I would like that summary highlighted in the minutes, please.
01:14:23.82	Councilman Hoffman	And therefore, next time this comes up, we just pull up in the minutes or maybe somebody could add it to their notes and that this is noticed properly in the next agenda. And I would suspect I would expect that this would be on the consent calendar at the next agenda. And it's not this isn't a comment.
01:14:41.63	Councilman Hoffman	at all on Commissioner Junius, I want to make sure that that we're following the process.
01:14:45.62	Councilman Hoffman	equally for everybody that comes up and especially the next time it comes up that we're acting consistently going forward.
01:14:53.40	Unknown	Any other discussion about what to do with this? Because I agree with that process. What do we do with this reappointment? Do we want to do it today or not?
01:14:59.45	Councilman Hoffman	Add it to your children.
01:15:01.54	Councilman Hoffman	No, I think we're insufficient in our noticing process because we didn't notice it as open and we didn't solicit new applications or people that we've already interviewed. So I think it needs to be
01:15:14.97	Councilman Hoffman	on the next agenda. I mean, you guys are the genociding, so however you wanna do it.
01:15:18.04	Cox	Well,
01:15:18.67	Cox	If we put it on the next agenda, I would like to extend Commissioner Junius' term until such time as he is reappointed.
01:15:29.70	Cox	or not.
01:15:31.39	Unknown	No.
01:15:31.44	Cox	That way we don't have a vacancy on the planning committee.
01:15:33.74	Unknown	I thought that came up before city attorney, sorry to bother you, and I'm sorry to nitpick on this, but this was exactly, I thought the dynamic we had before, and that was a problem. Event radically.
01:15:41.84	Cox	event ratified the actions taken during the time of extension in order to address any challenges
01:15:48.96	Unknown	Are we is that possible to be done city attorney.
01:15:53.55	Unknown	Thank you.
01:15:53.56	Unknown	So given the scope of the agenda item, I don't think that you can discuss or consider appointment of other individuals. This is a consent calendar item for the reappointment of one specific person. My suggestion here would be that if you want to appoint him for a fixed term until...
01:16:12.33	Unknown	you know,
01:16:13.43	Unknown	for the next month to address that risk, that would probably be the safest and more
01:16:19.35	Unknown	conservative approach to dealing with that problem rather than ratifying the actions after the fact.
01:16:25.02	Sybil Boutillier	It sets a precedent.
01:16:27.74	Sybil Boutillier	Thank you.
01:16:29.76	Unknown	Please.
01:16:30.20	Cox	Thank you.
01:16:30.23	Unknown	Sorry, someone needs to be muted.
01:16:32.83	Cox	Thank you.
01:16:33.56	Unknown	So vice versa.
01:16:33.57	Cox	So how is anybody able to talk?
01:16:37.07	Mayor Sobieski	Sorry, we got something to mute then.
01:16:39.18	Unknown	So vice mayor, is that your-
01:16:40.98	Cox	My motion is that we continue this item to the consent calendar for our first meeting in July, that we reappoint what?
01:16:54.53	Cox	Oh,
01:16:55.92	Unknown	Yeah, this was just a discussion. Sorry. That's okay.
01:16:57.23	Cox	Sorry.
01:16:58.47	Cox	You've asked me for a motion.
01:16:59.80	Unknown	I was actually just seeing if that was where you were kind of going. I want to give Councilmember Blaustein an opportunity to
01:17:05.92	Unknown	Chime in and then Councilmember Kellerman.
01:17:07.54	Blaustein	No, that's okay. I'm fine with that. I just had wanted to clarify or suggest because previously when we, for instance, were waiting to fill appointments on Parks and Rec or otherwise, typically commissioners sat, but I understand that was discussed, so you addressed that concern. I just wanted to make sure we had the ability to continue the planning commission's next meeting.
01:17:25.62	Unknown	That's Reverend Kelman.
01:17:26.93	Kellerman	Nothing more, Mayor. I think the Vice Mayor articulated it correctly.
01:17:30.48	Unknown	Okay, so now we will take public comment.
01:17:34.10	Unknown	Thank you.
01:17:34.66	Unknown	Ha ha.
01:17:36.52	Unknown	Uh,
01:17:37.78	Unknown	So public comment on this matter, please. City clerk.
01:17:40.65	Mayor Sobieski	All right, well, we'll start with Michael Rex.
01:17:49.72	Michael Rex	I'm Michael Racks, local architect. The appointment of a planning commissioner, they play a very important role in our government services. I think it's important that planning commissioners be, it'd be when their term expires. I agree with what I heard that
01:18:09.98	Michael Rex	It should be advertised as an open seat. I don't agree that it should automatically
01:18:15.21	Michael Rex	be continued because they wish it so. I think each commissioner, when their term expires,
01:18:24.09	Michael Rex	Continuing their term would be based on the merits of the service that they served for the previous years.
01:18:31.55	Michael Rex	And I'm very pleased to hear that you're opening it up when that first term expires and that you consider all applicants. And putting it on, I agree with Sergio that the best approach here so we don't have an empty seat is you continue, if Andrew is willing, on a temporary basis until you can hold those interviews and consider the applicants who apply. And I don't quite understand why you put that on the consent calendar next time, but I'll leave that up to you. Thank you.
01:19:11.42	Mayor Sobieski	But back to Google.
01:19:20.54	McDougall	Thank you.
01:19:21.97	McDougall	So I'd like to pick up on a word that the city attorney used. First of all, I'd like to first acknowledge and thank him for being ever present at tonight's meeting.
01:19:30.02	McDougall	Clearly he is needed more than he knows.
01:19:32.45	McDougall	So he used the word conservative.
01:19:35.56	McDougall	So now he's offering conservative advice.
01:19:38.63	McDougall	which frankly, I feel pretty good about.
01:19:40.99	McDougall	Because in a way, it echoes what Council Member Hoffman is also discussing, and that is the conservative, which is the tried and true, absolutely legal approach to public meetings.
01:19:51.79	McDougall	Quite honestly, I have a very different approach of this precedent that was set.
01:19:56.73	McDougall	Last year, when Ms. Blaustein gaveled the meetings and Ian Sobieski served as vice mayor, you consistently voted no, sir, according to Rosenberg rules. That disqualifies you from reopening the question, as you did two or three times as the year advanced.
01:20:12.44	McDougall	I don't understand why you threw the meeting into illegal territory like that. It only got called out once or twice, but you never got called on the carpet for it.
01:20:21.23	McDougall	by choice. So here we have a problem.
01:20:25.34	McDougall	You set the stage for precedent with Ms. Feller.
01:20:29.06	McDougall	you automatically re-upped her term. You didn't even consider anybody else. You looked at her hard work.
01:20:36.20	McDougall	You thought you couldn't live without her. Going forward, it would be a disaster if she wasn't still on the team. So you re-upped her. That set a precedent.
01:20:45.15	McDougall	whether you like it or not.
01:20:47.78	McDougall	And that's the way I remember this thing playing out.
01:20:50.68	McDougall	not the way Vice Mayor Cox currently characterizes it. Thank you.
01:20:56.99	Mayor Sobieski	And we do have on Zoom, Andrew Junius.
01:21:04.11	Andrew Junius	Good evening, City Council. Thank you for the quick opportunity to speak. I'm certainly in agreement with
01:21:12.72	Andrew Junius	returning to
01:21:14.43	Andrew Junius	standard procedures in which case, you know, certainly the position should be noticed and anybody interested should be able to apply. I think I actually asked the cloak to do that about a month ago. Apparently it didn't happen. I believe that it had happened. That's why I thought I was on the consent calendar because nobody else had applied. But in the event, I'm totally
01:21:35.76	Andrew Junius	in agreement with the process. And I hope, and we'll see what happens. But thank you for the opportunity to comment.
01:21:49.80	Unknown	All right, no further public comment. All right, we'll close public comment. And now, does someone wish to make a motion?
01:21:58.62	Cox	I do want to address Ms. McDougall's comments. So prior to reappointing Christina Feller and others, we interviewed Planning Commission applicants that evening.
01:22:10.89	Cox	And so we did interview people
01:22:13.82	Cox	then reappointed Christina Feller so I don't know if if you know not all of members of the public attended the interviews but it was that process that resulted in the process that we're confirming this evening so I move that we move item
01:22:35.61	Cox	3D to the consent calendar for our July 16 meeting.
01:22:43.44	Cox	that we
01:22:44.59	Cox	that the city clerk advertised the, uh,
01:22:49.70	Cox	opening coming up on the Planning Commission, that he distribute to the City Council any applications received, and that we hold interviews the evening of July 16 in advance of the regular meeting, and that we reappoint Andrew Junius as a Planning Commissioner
01:23:08.57	Cox	for the period
01:23:12.43	Cox	commencing with the
01:23:14.10	Cox	With July 1, the termination of his...
01:23:17.75	Cox	Um,
01:23:18.88	Cox	term.
01:23:19.62	Cox	to July...
01:23:24.85	Cox	16 July 17 2024.
01:23:30.61	Unknown	So
01:23:30.67	Cox	Exactly.
01:23:30.79	Unknown	Thank you.
01:23:30.94	Cox	Thank you.
01:23:30.98	Unknown	Thank you.
01:23:30.99	Cox	Thank you.
01:23:31.28	Kellerman	I'm happy to second that.
01:23:31.97	Cox	Thank you.
01:23:32.02	Kellerman	Thank you.
01:23:32.09	Cox	Thank you.
01:23:32.12	Kellerman	Thank you.
01:23:32.40	Unknown	Okay, motion made and seconded. Any discussion?
01:23:36.21	Unknown	No discussion, then we'll call the question. All in favor, say aye.
01:23:39.28	Unknown	Aye. Opposed.
01:23:39.33	Unknown	Bye.
01:23:40.90	Unknown	Mayor Mrakas, MNC, In motion carries unanimously when I move on to the business item five a the fiscal year and 2025 budget review city manager.
01:23:49.03	Unknown	you know.
01:23:49.10	Unknown	Thank you.
01:23:49.15	Unknown	Thank you.
01:23:49.46	Unknown	Thank you, Mayor, members of the council, members of the public. I'd like to begin this presentation by thanking our finance director and his team, Chad Hess, and our city departments for working to put together the draft budget book that you have in your packet, as well as doing the strength, weakness, opportunity, and threat analysis and looking at budget reduction scenarios, which are all part of the budget packet this evening. I'd also like to say that, you know, budgets reflect the city's values. And when you look at a budget as a resident, as an employee, as an elected official, and you see where you put your money, your resources, you can understand where the values are. And in Sausalio's case, it's always been safety, infrastructure, and quality of life, which is pretty standard in a lot of communities. And when you start your budget process, which is a series of estimates and projections in transit, we get professional help from, use our own experience and past facts, you start with an audit. And in particular, Sausalito, when I got here three years ago this month, you know, there was some need to look at our audit findings, which were really not good at that time. They've since become better through the work of Chad and team. And, you know, the audit is the basis in the beginning for the budget process. So this past year, you may recollect that we got our audit done by the end of December, which was at least two months earlier than the prior year. So that truly was helpful in our budget process. And given that this is my third year in Sausalito, beginning this month, it's my 40th year working on budgets. so I want to tell you all that you don't come to a community and know everything about its finances, its management of its finances. And certainly I didn't come to Saucelito with that. I have begun and am learning it. So I really want to thank the prior councils and administrations that worked before I got here and Chad got here and other people got here to create a strong financial model. And let me tell you about some of the things that they did before 2021. You know, a tourism and occupancy tax that was implemented creates revenue for services. You know, passing Measure O was something that creates resources for infrastructure. You know, being an early adopter of Section 115 trusts, you know, creates a path to dealing with pension challenges. And then the idea that the city would need to have 5% set-asides and 10% set-asides in emergency counts to build reserves was done by prior city councils and city administrations. In the case of this city team, you know, there are things that have been happening to strengthen our financial positions, and that's shown in a lot of the budget data that Chad has put together for you to see. Number one, you know, after coming out of the pandemic, there was obviously, you know, a concern about what would happen to our service levels, what would happen to our budgets with threats to not only our sales tax or tourism and occupancy tax or business license tax, you know, a big, big, big concern. And suffice it to say that the city had enough financial strength to not dip into its emergency reserves or its budget stabilization funds. So that's a good, good sign. And you can see that in the buildup. In 2017, the city council had $6.9 million in the 5% and 10% reserve, along with unassigned cash. And we've built that to $10.8 million in 2023. That's a significant trend to the positive. That $7.7 million, you know, is in addition to the 5 and 10%. I want to make that clear. And it's unassigned cash that you can use in whatever way you see fit in the general fund.
01:27:52.14	Unknown	You also worked on infrastructure by expanding measure O to measure L and creating an additional quarter cent on top of it to create eight years of revenue for infrastructure. And when you do the math on that, that arithmetic is about $24 million over the eight-year life to address infrastructure. You know, we've rebuilt the whole finance department, and one of the things that the council, you know,
01:28:17.72	Unknown	asks us to do, and we've completed it, is hire a new independent auditor, and that's Bedowian Associates. You have taken real care of your 115 trust in terms of a plan that you developed before 2020. You had targets and goals. Last year, you put a million dollars into it. So at this time, you have about 5.9 million, 5.7 million dollars in your pension trust fund in combination with their other post-employment benefit fund. So that's good. In addition, through the direction of the council and the work of Finance Director Hess, you know, we've taken idle cash, invested it more aggressively and more safely to get a higher yield, renegotiated our arrangement with the Bank of Marin. And so this year, you'll see our investment and our interest income rise from about $560,000 in 2020 to about $1.560.
01:29:11.48	Unknown	$1 million this year. Next slide, please.
01:29:16.85	Unknown	So all that's the good news. But, you know, this year has been a bit of a challenge. I think it's been made clear over the last eight months that we've faced an insurance concern that we've been working around the clock to try to address. In addition to the insurance concern, there's been rising pension costs as a result of bad markets. And because the economy hasn't been as strong as it was during the COVID bounce back, our sales tax projections are down. So what that means is you're at a crossroads of taking a budget and looking at it and saying, if we want to maintain service levels, which I've recommended that you use unassigned cash. In order to use unassigned cash, you have to know what's in your amount there. And that's the $7.7 million that I referenced earlier.
01:30:06.93	Unknown	You also need to look at your reserve policy. There's been this practice in Sausalito where you have a formal policy of 5% and 10%. And I've been told that, you know, anything above that, you know, try to get to 25%. And then anything above that, try to get to using that money to put in the pension trust or into one-time projects or one-time expenses. So, you know, that's got to be done. And that's what's scheduled for June 25th as the first item on your agenda, because tonight we're going to ask you to use your unassigned cash reserves to balance your budget and maintain service levels. One of the other things that's important is if the city council does not want to do that and you want to live within your means and make up that two- million dollar gap, then, you know, either you have to spend less or cut. And so in that scenario, I asked all of our departments to look at a 10% savings scenario. So in your packet, you have that as well.
01:31:08.36	Unknown	Earlier I talked about bifurcating that $2 to $3 to $4 million at the time. We didn't know. Deficit with the use of 115 trust funds, I received direction to stick with the plan that we had to continue building that for the spiking years of 26, 27, and 28. But I was also given direction to look at the administration of our trust fund by PARS. So we will do that.
01:31:36.71	Unknown	So all that is to say we're here tonight, but there has to be work done in the future that's based on tonight and what we have talked about in prior years. And one of the key things is to have a
01:31:50.83	Unknown	strategy session as early as possible in January as we get our mid-year review, complete our audit, so the city council can start to give us the priorities and the things that they believe are important so we can start to build next year's budgets and the budgets after that.
01:32:06.91	Unknown	And because we have the insurance challenge in front of us, you know, we have a lot of work to do in terms of lowering our risk profile. We have requirements that we're going to talk about tonight to enter into a pool that is going to give us the best rate we could get at this time. We're going to have to do a March report to them that shows what we've done to manage our risk, to lower our risk, to not be a risk to the pool. So every month we're going to have to do a risk assessment and build that toward a six month presentation that's going to be required by our new pool.
01:32:42.55	Unknown	And, you know, I think that's a healthy approach and a necessary approach, and we'll relish the opportunity to do that. This idea of building a finance tool that would integrate our infrastructure needs and our service costs, as well as our insurance costs in the future, that's a work in progress. It needs to be given some priority. and obviously the involvement of the mayor, Councilmember Hoffman, and former Mayor Withey and our finance director and the city manager is critical to making that part of it. priority and you know obviously the involvement of the mayor Councilmember Hoffman and former mayor withy and our finance director and the city manager is critical to making that part of our budget conversations in the future we were told that our grant
01:33:20.54	Unknown	Receipts are not where the council would like them to be. So we did some analysis of it. And I don't disagree with that. We have had a low success rate. We've applied for 23 grants in two years. We've asked for $21 million in change in other people's funds. And we just have not had a success that we want to add to things like infrastructure and climate change and resiliency and all the things that are important to our community.
01:33:48.37	Unknown	The other thing that I think is important is whenever you see a deficit, and it may be something that's a future trend, you want to be mindful that it's not the city manager's problem, it's not the city council's problem, it's not the finance director's problem, it's our problem as an organization. And so asking our organizations to involve themselves in an exercise that's mandated, that by the end of the month, each department meet, look at ways to, you know, build ideas that would create revenue or create efficiency or save money. That's an ongoing exercise that we started. We anticipate being done with that in...
01:34:27.94	Unknown	into June, formulating our review of it in July, and having that be part of ongoing budget discussions in the future. Because anytime you get to a situation where your revenues don't match up with your expenses, something is amiss. It could be short term, could be long term. But we need to really look at it as something that we can, as an organization, start to bring the creativity and the knowledge of 79 city employees into this process. Next question.
01:34:56.63	Unknown	Next slide, please.
01:34:58.03	Unknown	Yep.
01:34:59.31	Unknown	So that concludes my comments. Chad's going to run through the presentation of more of the financial end of it. That was just to kind of set the table for what he's going to tell you. And, you know, appreciate the community's attention to this, because without this attention and this rigor, you know, we will not do as good a job as we can in preparing a budget that you can adopt next Tuesday. So the plan is to have the deep conversation tonight.
01:35:26.24	Unknown	to answer your questions tonight. We come to you on the 25th of this month, next Tuesday, talk about our reserve policy, provide you information on what we recommend. Listen to your feedback on that.
01:35:40.52	Unknown	and then adopt the budget and all the related budget documents that go with it, spending limits, the position control sheet, et cetera,
01:35:48.45	Unknown	But also, at that time, we would need to develop agreements with our new insurance carrier and adopt those as well. So tonight's a big, big meeting, an important meeting to talk about what our financial picture is and what it looks to be and what it's been. So with that, I turn it over to Chad.
01:36:05.54	Unknown	All right. Good evening, Mayor, Council, members of the public. Thank you for the opportunity to discuss the fiscal year 2025 budget with you.
01:36:14.52	Unknown	To begin, I just want to review a quick terms sheet, just to make sure that we're all talking the same language as we move forward.
01:36:22.08	Unknown	This was presented at a previous budget
01:36:25.34	Unknown	session as well.
01:36:26.50	Unknown	So again, a budget surplus when receipts
01:36:29.30	Unknown	exceed disbursements in a fiscal year or an accounting period, we have a surplus.
01:36:34.79	Unknown	A budget deficit is an excess of disbursement over receipt.
01:36:38.53	Unknown	in an accounting period or a fiscal year.
01:36:40.69	Unknown	And that's when the government spends more on goods and services than it collects in revenue.
01:36:45.88	Unknown	Now, fund balance, as Chris has talked about earlier, is the accumulation of
01:36:50.31	Unknown	of prior year surpluses. So this is the accumulation of resources over
01:36:55.61	Unknown	the government's history.
01:36:57.53	Unknown	Now these resources in fund balance are available to be expended.
01:37:02.41	Unknown	But now there is a portion, again, the reserves, and that's the portion of the fund balance that are set aside for true emergencies.
01:37:09.62	Unknown	These resources are really only to be spent after all other resources are consumed. So it's really that last dollar that we tap into.
01:37:18.32	Unknown	Now, also, I'm going to try to use the term resources available in excess of reserves.
01:37:24.16	Unknown	And this really references that gap term called unassigned fund balance. And this is really the resources that,
01:37:31.76	Unknown	that are available to the government above and beyond the 5% and 10%
01:37:37.44	Unknown	reserves.
01:37:39.71	Unknown	Now, a quick demonstration in terms of a graph. So fiscal year one, we had a surplus of a
01:37:46.61	Unknown	of a half a million dollars.
01:37:48.55	Unknown	And you can see that that blue line, the fund balance represents that surplus for that year.
01:37:54.19	Unknown	move into fiscal year two, where we had a $200,000 deficit,
01:37:58.28	Unknown	And you can see on that screen that did consume
01:38:01.91	Unknown	some of our prior year surplus and our fund balance is now at 300,000.
01:38:06.79	Unknown	Fiscal year three, really bad year. We lost 400,000 and now that brought us into deficit territory. This is debt spending. We have gone below.
01:38:16.24	Unknown	zero in terms of fund balance. We're using other people's money at this point.
01:38:20.36	Unknown	We are not here. We have available resources or surplus resources.
01:38:25.52	Unknown	Fiscal year three, we had another positive $200,000
01:38:29.06	Unknown	increase in resources that brought our fund balance back above zero.
01:38:34.30	Unknown	So just wanted to set that terms and kind of have a basis for our discussion.
01:38:40.24	Unknown	Now,
01:38:40.73	Unknown	A mistake was made.
01:38:42.52	Unknown	I own this air.
01:38:44.45	Unknown	And I acknowledge that I made a mistake and there is,
01:38:48.39	Unknown	I'm learning that had taken place, and I own that.
01:38:52.34	Unknown	So yesterday, as I was working through my insurance budget to answer a question,
01:38:58.97	Unknown	I noticed that I inadvertently doubled up my SIR, SIR stands for self insurance reserve,
01:39:06.36	Unknown	set aside. So the dollars that we will set aside to pay claims that are under
01:39:12.05	Unknown	the insurer's SIR.
01:39:14.46	Unknown	Now,
01:39:15.40	Unknown	I doubled this up essentially instead of setting aside 750,000,
01:39:20.42	Unknown	I doubled it and set aside 1.5 million.
01:39:24.40	Unknown	That was leading into our $2 million deficit in the general fund.
01:39:29.06	Unknown	So,
01:39:29.78	Unknown	I apologize to the community, to council for making this error.
01:39:33.76	Unknown	I,
01:39:35.05	Unknown	certainly didn't mean to cause this panic of a $2 million deficit. We still are in deficit spending.
01:39:41.15	Unknown	but it has been reduced by 750,000. So again,
01:39:45.91	Unknown	Any
01:39:47.11	Unknown	Changes that I've made to this slide are noted in red font, just in complete transparency.
01:39:53.39	Unknown	This updated slide deck was requested to be updated.
01:39:56.36	Unknown	for members of the public and council.
01:39:58.42	Unknown	So,
01:39:58.98	Unknown	With that, I will move on.
01:40:02.50	Unknown	So we're gonna start with the general fund and here is the slide that was originally presented. I'm gonna go ahead and just move forward to the next slide.
01:40:08.71	Councilman Hoffman	the next slide. Yeah, pull on to clarify. Yes. If you have questions, we're just gonna let him get through his presentation.
01:40:10.15	Unknown	Yes.
01:40:10.74	Unknown	Clarify.
01:40:10.97	Unknown	Yep.
01:40:15.16	Unknown	That was my thought is just to manage time. So, okay. You go through your whole presentation and then we'll ask you questions.
01:40:16.63	Councilman Hoffman	I agree.
01:40:22.30	Unknown	All right, so OPEB and pension liabilities is one of our challenges, as we've discussed in the past.
01:40:28.30	Unknown	This hasn't changed. We are still in
01:40:33.28	Unknown	facing an increase.
01:40:34.80	Unknown	citywide of $470,000 for UAL payments
01:40:39.39	Unknown	And our OPEP direct payments for retirees will be $300,000 in fiscal year 25.
01:40:44.88	Unknown	under the insurance
01:40:46.28	Unknown	We have new information that has become available just today.
01:40:50.51	Unknown	and that we're going to have to talk about this evening.
01:40:53.18	Unknown	We are still planning to participate in PRISM GL1 with a $500,000 SIR.
01:41:00.84	Unknown	Um,
01:41:01.50	Unknown	We have been officially
01:41:04.53	Unknown	granted access to join Prism.
01:41:07.22	Unknown	under this GL1 program. So we are able to take advantage of this pool
01:41:12.80	Unknown	And that takes our worst case scenario really off the table by using private
01:41:18.42	Unknown	insurance carriers.
01:41:20.45	Unknown	I'm not sure.
01:41:21.31	Unknown	Our insurance, we were looking originally at using the state plan because we did not have pricing from PRISM at that time.
01:41:27.70	Unknown	And that was first dollar coverage.
01:41:30.17	Unknown	Prism has since come back to us with some additional information.
01:41:33.78	Unknown	And that is going to be a discussion point that we need to have this evening.
01:41:38.47	Unknown	PRISM has come back to us with property insurance.
01:41:41.32	Unknown	which is a very favorable quote.
01:41:43.84	Unknown	much lower than we received from Hub
01:41:46.55	Unknown	and we will show you that on a future slide.
01:41:49.07	Unknown	That is still an increase in what we've paid in the past, but it is much, much lower than what we were facing today.
01:41:55.04	Unknown	So, I think that's a good question.
01:41:56.26	Unknown	in the private market.
01:41:58.45	Unknown	So the impact on the general fund for increased insurance costs is $687,000.
01:42:03.63	Unknown	for fiscal year 25.
01:42:05.81	Unknown	For the entire enterprise citywide, that increase in insurance costs is just under $1,983,000.
01:42:12.69	Unknown	over what we paid with base settings.
01:42:15.32	Unknown	And again, no surprise, we had a softening of sales tax and then also a reduction due to
01:42:20.93	Unknown	one of our significant sales tax contributors we've talked about in the past.
01:42:25.89	Unknown	Now, I did add a new slide here.
01:42:28.79	Unknown	This is going to come up as we start talking about insurance.
01:42:31.69	Unknown	This is California labor code section.
01:42:34.26	Unknown	4850.
01:42:35.86	Unknown	And this pertains to
01:42:38.14	Unknown	individuals who work in
01:42:40.47	Unknown	Police, fire, really that public safety space.
01:42:44.44	Unknown	um,
01:42:45.16	Unknown	Anybody who is injured in the course of their general duties,
01:42:49.23	Unknown	is entitled to
01:42:51.54	Unknown	salary in lieu of temporary disability payment.
01:42:55.61	Unknown	So really the city is responsible to pay their full salary.
01:42:59.59	Unknown	for at least
01:43:01.49	Unknown	the time that they're disabled,
01:43:03.00	Unknown	but not to exceed
01:43:04.38	Unknown	one year.
01:43:05.70	Unknown	Um,
01:43:06.24	Unknown	This will become important as we discuss workman's comp and the options that we have available to us.
01:43:13.36	Unknown	All right, so here's a slide that I've reworked.
01:43:15.82	Unknown	Originally, we had planned to use
01:43:18.69	Unknown	um, prisms, general liability.
01:43:21.39	Unknown	We also plan to use hubs, workman's comp, this is the state plan.
01:43:26.81	Unknown	And then the property premium was $418,000.
01:43:30.13	Unknown	simply because we did not have
01:43:32.48	Unknown	any indication from PRISM.
01:43:34.65	Unknown	So I'm going to move forward to the next slide and this will give you an update
01:43:38.18	Unknown	Um,
01:43:38.84	Unknown	basically as of today.
01:43:41.89	Unknown	What we have here is HUBZ Premium is still at $1.2 million for a $500,000 SIR.
01:43:48.54	Unknown	$25 million limit.
01:43:50.62	Unknown	And there's no aggregate claim limit.
01:43:53.03	Unknown	This is much better coverage.
01:43:55.18	Unknown	than what we would see under the hub plan.
01:43:58.90	Unknown	Workman's Comp Hub Prism, I'm sorry, has come back to us and has offered us
01:44:03.71	Unknown	coverage.
01:44:04.98	Unknown	with a $350,000 SIR
01:44:09.52	Unknown	for premium coverage of 130,000.
01:44:12.15	Unknown	and an additional $35,000 for
01:44:15.29	Unknown	4850 coverage. This is the coverage for those individuals working in our police departments.
01:44:20.93	Unknown	those payments can be very significant. It is truly their full wage and benefits.
01:44:26.44	Unknown	or up to a year.
01:44:27.91	Unknown	in the event of a disability.
01:44:30.17	Unknown	Um,
01:44:31.32	Unknown	We did get some additional pricing from the state fund plan. You can see here that
01:44:36.32	Unknown	Their pricing has come down a little bit, but under this plan it does not offer
01:44:41.43	Unknown	4850 coverage, the city would be responsible to
01:44:45.36	Unknown	pay those expenses out of pocket.
01:44:47.59	Unknown	in the event of
01:44:49.55	Unknown	public safety injury.
01:44:51.37	Unknown	We would also have to include insurance from the private market,
01:44:56.41	Unknown	for
01:44:57.11	Unknown	POL and EPL coverage as
01:44:59.62	Unknown	employment practice.
01:45:01.70	Unknown	coverages.
01:45:03.35	Unknown	So this is a new slide and we're gonna see this come together here on the next slide.
01:45:08.07	Unknown	to show us our options.
01:45:10.44	Unknown	So on this slide here, you can see my original budget, and this is where I made my mistake.
01:45:15.50	Unknown	So right here, you can see, this is what I had for
01:45:18.82	Unknown	the PRISM general liability. This number is a combination of
01:45:23.65	Unknown	their premium.
01:45:25.30	Unknown	plus the set-aside
01:45:27.24	Unknown	or
01:45:28.26	Unknown	paying those claims.
01:45:29.89	Unknown	I inadvertently included that in this line item for prism.
01:45:34.38	Unknown	And it was also here, which did result in our
01:45:37.67	Unknown	significant general fund deficit of $2,052,000.
01:45:42.82	Unknown	What I had intended to do, you will see here in this third or the second column,
01:45:47.65	Unknown	This is what I should have done.
01:45:49.52	Unknown	I should have had 1,045,000 for...
01:45:53.40	Unknown	PRISM coverage.
01:45:54.92	Unknown	um,
01:45:55.65	Unknown	our 450 for Hobb,
01:45:57.84	Unknown	And then just a single $750,000 SIR set aside.
01:46:01.97	Unknown	So our true general fund deficit should have been
01:46:05.48	Unknown	1.3 million when we started this discussion. And for that, I apologize.
01:46:11.02	Unknown	Now, today we have received more information, and we did discuss that real briefly on
01:46:16.64	Unknown	The next slide.
01:46:18.34	Unknown	We did get original indication from PRISM for PRISM property.
01:46:22.75	Unknown	as well as Workman's Comp,
01:46:24.72	Unknown	I'm going to advance to the next slide here.
01:46:27.52	Unknown	because we now have even more information that came available at 5.30 this evening.
01:46:32.77	Unknown	City Manager Zapata has mentioned.
01:46:35.62	Unknown	We have really been working on this.
01:46:37.66	Unknown	nonstop trying to bring this together.
01:46:40.38	Unknown	So here's what we have as far as options on the table. And this is one of really our decisions.
01:46:46.51	Unknown	that will need to be made.
01:46:48.48	Unknown	Um,
01:46:49.04	Unknown	The primary difference is
01:46:50.98	Unknown	between
01:46:52.19	Unknown	this column here, this third column.
01:46:54.69	Unknown	in the fourth column.
01:46:56.26	Unknown	is on this last column, we go with the state plan. So this would be the state workers comp plan,
01:47:02.06	Unknown	first dollar coverage.
01:47:03.60	Unknown	But again, no coverage for
01:47:06.49	Unknown	4850 in the event of injury for public safety officers.
01:47:11.62	Unknown	Um,
01:47:12.56	Unknown	On this column here, we would join PRISM's Workman's Comp with a $350,000 self-assured intention.
01:47:19.38	Unknown	We would add that additional rider for $35,000 for $48,50.
01:47:25.27	Unknown	And then here, because it is a higher SIR,
01:47:28.48	Unknown	we would need to set aside some additional dollars to pay those claims.
01:47:33.77	Unknown	based on analysis.
01:47:36.09	Unknown	the city attorney and I agree that about 250,000 seems appropriate.
01:47:40.83	Unknown	based upon some of our prior year's losses.
01:47:43.51	Unknown	for that set aside under this plan.
01:47:46.75	Unknown	Now, when we look at the total reduction
01:47:50.04	Unknown	So,
01:47:51.20	Unknown	This is our
01:47:52.89	Unknown	reduction from the original budget.
01:47:54.73	Unknown	is 980,000.
01:47:57.38	Unknown	compared to 1,600,000.
01:48:00.44	Unknown	This now brings our deficit because of the improved pricing under Prism property.
01:48:05.28	Unknown	and PRISM Workman's Comp.
01:48:06.95	Unknown	Our general fund deficit is now down to
01:48:09.95	Unknown	1,072,000.
01:48:12.20	Unknown	or 900
01:48:13.90	Unknown	and 90,000 based upon which workman's comp plan we choose to go with.
01:48:19.27	Unknown	So that will be a decision point that we will need to make on,
01:48:22.88	Unknown	which plan we go to and what is our risk appetite.
01:48:26.12	Unknown	Um,
01:48:26.73	Unknown	for potential losses under the 4850 coverage.
01:48:32.11	Unknown	Now, moving on to revenues in the general fund, this slide has not changed, we have seen this before.
01:48:37.54	Unknown	Again, our significant changes are the reduction in sales tax, again, due to reallocation of a major contributor.
01:48:44.72	Unknown	as well as a softening economy based upon our HDL's recommendation.
01:48:50.15	Unknown	Also, we do have a reduction here for intergovernmental revenue. Again, these are grants that we receive from the state government, the federal government,
01:48:57.69	Unknown	A lot of this revenue is kind of unpredictable.
01:49:01.83	Unknown	Last year, we were very fortunate and received a couple of
01:49:05.30	Unknown	unbudgeted grants that were recognized in the mid-year budget review.
01:49:09.91	Unknown	Um,
01:49:10.35	Unknown	And this year, we do not anticipate anything or we are not aware of any grants that are available or state dollars.
01:49:16.17	Unknown	available.
01:49:17.45	Unknown	Overall, we're projecting about a 4% decrease in revenues.
01:49:21.55	Unknown	or fiscal year 25.
01:49:24.81	Unknown	Moving forward, here is our original slide.
01:49:27.76	Unknown	This slide is assuming the
01:49:31.17	Unknown	the error that I made,
01:49:32.45	Unknown	and then also has old information from our insurance providers.
01:49:37.15	Unknown	So I've replaced this slide with our new slide here, which does reflect
01:49:42.34	Unknown	a lower cost. Here we were on the assumption that we would take the state's plan
01:49:48.76	Unknown	when these slides were prepared.
01:49:51.14	Unknown	I think there should be some discussion about maybe taking the prison plan and we can discuss that during.
01:49:56.67	Unknown	a little bit later in the slide deck or this presentation.
01:50:00.23	Unknown	So we have updated where the insurance was coded. You can see here this red item or this red number has changed.
01:50:06.37	Unknown	And one thing I do want to call everybody's attention to
01:50:09.61	Unknown	is a change in salary, just to be transparent,
01:50:13.09	Unknown	And you can see that down here in red, the methodology that is used for salaries and benefits has changed.
01:50:19.82	Unknown	So when looking at the salaries and benefits for 24 and 25,
01:50:24.77	Unknown	They are not apple to apple.
01:50:27.08	Unknown	In fiscal year 24, we budgeted using
01:50:30.89	Unknown	full employment and top step
01:50:33.61	Unknown	for all positions.
01:50:35.11	Unknown	This number did overstate our salaries and benefits.
01:50:39.75	Unknown	because we were
01:50:41.39	Unknown	budgeting very high on the spectrum.
01:50:43.85	Unknown	Um,
01:50:44.53	Unknown	of those of those wage allocations for all of our positions.
01:50:48.36	Unknown	making the change in fiscal year 25,
01:50:51.26	Unknown	I have continued to budget for full employment because our goal is to fill all of our positions.
01:50:58.06	Unknown	do fill all of our open positions and really provide great service to our community.
01:51:02.47	Unknown	but I have changed where I budget
01:51:05.03	Unknown	their wages.
01:51:06.25	Unknown	I budget their wages at a more realistic based upon where they are currently at.
01:51:11.17	Unknown	position by position and then factor in their steps and their colas.
01:51:15.38	Unknown	So I'm becoming more precise in that budget.
01:51:18.58	Unknown	reflecting of salaries and benefits. So it's becoming more
01:51:22.82	Unknown	a more realistic reflection of the cost
01:51:25.25	Unknown	and helps us to make better decisions.
01:51:28.00	Unknown	If we had an apples to apples comparison,
01:51:30.77	Unknown	the actual change in salaries is closer to 1.1 million.
01:51:34.65	Unknown	that I'm simply assuming or consuming
01:51:37.70	Unknown	some of my budgetary slack was inherently built into fiscal year 24.
01:51:42.22	Unknown	So again, we are trying to just improve our budgeting process. But again, in full transparency, I wanted to disclose that.
01:51:49.30	Unknown	Our next slide here is the slide that,
01:51:52.99	Unknown	Marisol Biaske.
01:51:54.37	Unknown	had asked that I include or have available.
01:51:57.50	Unknown	This here is the Sausalito turnover rate.
01:52:01.53	Unknown	And I am going to pause real quick and let HR manager Kathy Nikitas have just a real quick comment.
01:52:08.73	Unknown	on this slide.
01:52:12.16	Kathy Nikitas	Hi.
01:52:12.75	Kathy Nikitas	Thank you, Chad. I'm Kathy Nikitas. I'm the human resources manager.
01:52:17.68	Kathy Nikitas	And that site is just really just a simple way of showing that we're getting better at holding on to our people.
01:52:23.99	Kathy Nikitas	And that is a value that is beyond dollars. But if we look at the dollars,
01:52:30.82	Kathy Nikitas	we can estimate an average cost of recruitments. And that involves advertising, that involves staff hours. Sometimes that involves consultant hours as well, because we're still getting a little bit of help in that area. So for the most simple position,
01:52:39.23	Unknown	And so.
01:52:51.97	Kathy Nikitas	Thank you.
01:52:52.36	Kathy Nikitas	it could cost $1,000. For a department head-level position, it could cost up to $10,000. So we just cited an average of $4,500 to about $6,000 for the average recruitment.
01:53:08.73	Kathy Nikitas	We looked at the period of August 2021 to July 2022, and we had about 21 full-time employees leave at that point during that period. I went just with full-time employees because that's what we absolutely need to keep going, and I felt like it was too much apples and oranges to be looking at part-time employees versus full-time employee recruitments.
01:53:36.91	Kathy Nikitas	So that represents roughly a 35% turnover rate.
01:53:43.23	Kathy Nikitas	Ideally, we could look at having a 10% turnover rate, but that might not be realistic. And so I would be happy if we saw 15% sustained for a couple of years at least. So 35%, that was pretty hefty when you look at our full-time employees. The following 12-month period, we were down to about 14 full-time employees leaving. So that became about 20%.
01:54:11.62	Kathy Nikitas	For the last, it's about a 10-month period, we're at 14.9%. And I will say that out of that, two of those people leaving, and we're talking about 10 employees, two of those were people who have actually been gone for almost a year at that point, but I felt it was fair to include them in the numbers because we want to be accurate and transparent.
01:54:35.85	Kathy Nikitas	That also includes one person who left and came back within a week and a half because the grass isn't always greener on the other side. So while there were 10 people who have left, really, again, two of those people would have been pushed to the prior year as far as when they started not working with us. And one of those people came right back, so it made our recruitment costs certainly lower in that situation. So we're going in the right direction, and all of the things that we've been doing that the city manager has spoken about and that Director Hess has been speaking about,
01:55:16.98	Kathy Nikitas	are helping hold on to employees. There's always going to be turnover. People retire. People move across the country. We had one person do that in this group of 10. So that's always going to happen. You can't look for zero turnover because things happen in life. But we want to just keep it to a minimum and control all the things that we can control about the things that minimize that.
01:55:49.22	Unknown	Thank you, Kathy.
01:55:50.29	Kathy Nikitas	Thanks, Chad.
01:55:51.23	Kathy Nikitas	Thank you.
01:55:52.26	Unknown	All right.
01:55:53.21	Unknown	Moving on.
01:55:54.19	Unknown	So on this slide here, this was our original budget. And again, this included
01:55:59.62	Unknown	inaccurate information for our SIR set aside
01:56:03.41	Unknown	And then this had old assumptions for insurance. Again, our pricing just came in.
01:56:09.05	Unknown	just the other day.
01:56:11.16	Unknown	Here I have updated our general fund expenses. This is by department.
01:56:15.90	Unknown	A couple of things that I want to point out here, this non-departmental, this is where we house our insurance costs. They are not allocated out to departments at this point in time.
01:56:26.20	Unknown	So our experience is baked into here.
01:56:29.08	Unknown	That updated our number and has greatly lowered our general fund expenses.
01:56:35.36	Unknown	A couple of the significant changes that I want to talk about finance department is seeing an increase, this is due to.
01:56:42.94	Unknown	the risk manager position, his or her, whoever we hire,
01:56:47.59	Unknown	I'm sorry, their benefits and wages and benefits will be under the finance department. So that is one change.
01:56:53.97	Unknown	That is significant.
01:56:55.78	Unknown	Engineering is seeing a slight change. This is really due to a full year of employment for the new project managers
01:57:04.52	Unknown	over the prior year budget.
01:57:07.19	Unknown	Um,
01:57:08.15	Unknown	In the planning and zoning department, we are seeing a drop in professional services, which is helping the budget.
01:57:15.76	Unknown	So that is a reduction in planning and zoning of about 14%, 15%, 200,000.
01:57:22.41	Unknown	Economic development, this is kind of a new department that we're showing here. This included the CDA contract.
01:57:29.68	Unknown	Destination Sausalito
01:57:32.11	Unknown	and the lights. The CDA contract has been removed from that
01:57:36.94	Unknown	So you can see here that is a reduction in our general fund budget.
01:57:41.58	Unknown	Public Works has seen an increase, mainly due to costs of supplies. That's really driving
01:57:48.09	Unknown	Supplies and utilities are driving up the public works budget.
01:57:51.70	Unknown	fairly significantly due to electric rates, water rates,
01:57:56.85	Unknown	And then just general supplies and materials in general.
01:58:00.85	Unknown	All right, on the next slide here,
01:58:02.89	Unknown	Again, here, this is an attempt to reconcile
01:58:06.99	Unknown	that total change from fiscal year to fiscal year,
01:58:10.82	Unknown	Um,
01:58:11.61	Unknown	So if we look at the total change, and let me go up a couple of slides here,
01:58:16.36	Unknown	and I think that's a good question.
01:58:17.22	Unknown	Right here, here's this number, this 1.5 million.
01:58:21.00	Unknown	that's looking at total change from fiscal year 24, which is a surplus,
01:58:27.32	Unknown	to fiscal year 25, which is now a projected deficit.
01:58:30.85	Unknown	We have a swing of about 1.5 million.
01:58:34.84	Unknown	On this slide here is where I
01:58:38.46	Unknown	try to justify or do an analysis on what are the driving factors in that
01:58:43.07	Unknown	that move.
01:58:44.50	Unknown	So again, here you can see that total change of 1.5 million.
01:58:48.18	Unknown	um,
01:58:48.82	Unknown	Really, the decrease in property tax or decrease in sales taxes of about half a million dollars
01:58:55.17	Unknown	36% of that.
01:58:57.06	Unknown	and we're going to have a
01:58:57.77	Unknown	the decrease in intergovernmental revenue,
01:58:59.91	Unknown	160,000 of identified grants. This was the
01:59:04.15	Unknown	state grant that we received for the housing element study costs.
01:59:08.60	Unknown	increase in UAL to the general fund, and then increase in insurance costs allocated to the general fund.
01:59:13.87	Unknown	The insurance cost alone is 43%.
01:59:17.97	Unknown	Um,
01:59:18.85	Unknown	of that of that thing. And if you add these up, they do exceed 100% if you add up all my percentages.
01:59:24.92	Unknown	Again, because I've identified more items.
01:59:27.69	Unknown	Um,
01:59:28.30	Unknown	that explain the game than the things.
01:59:31.37	Unknown	All right, here is general fund, fund balances over a period of time.
01:59:36.28	Unknown	So again, this is referencing what Chris mentioned.
01:59:39.62	Unknown	City Manager Kepada in the earlier presentation.
01:59:42.81	Unknown	We have been slowly building up fund balances. So you can see that reserves and unassigned fund balance.
01:59:43.13	Katie Thau Garcia	We have
01:59:49.42	Unknown	has slowly grown over the course of several years.
01:59:53.29	Unknown	as well as our total fund balance. So we've got $10.8 million
01:59:57.27	Unknown	as of fiscal year 23,
01:59:59.63	Unknown	audited numbers.
02:00:01.56	Unknown	And then total fund balance of $15 million in the general fund.
02:00:05.62	Unknown	And that will play into my next slide here.
02:00:08.29	Unknown	Again, this slide has been updated.
02:00:11.02	Unknown	Our worst case is no longer relevant.
02:00:14.97	Unknown	This was assuming that we had to go with Hub and we were not allowed
02:00:18.82	Unknown	into prism.
02:00:20.57	Unknown	So this is my updated slide.
02:00:23.51	Unknown	I have updated that worst case.
02:00:25.97	Unknown	And this is assuming that we have a really bad year
02:00:29.01	Unknown	So I've added additional dollars in terms of,
02:00:33.06	Unknown	SIR assuming some claims.
02:00:37.35	Unknown	If we look here, this is fiscal year 23. This is our starting point. These are audited numbers.
02:00:43.76	Unknown	Here you can see that we have a 15% reserve
02:00:47.40	Unknown	I'm not sure.
02:00:48.15	Unknown	the 10%, the 5%.
02:00:50.44	Unknown	We are projecting or recommending that we
02:00:54.26	Unknown	I think that's a good question.
02:00:55.32	Unknown	increase that.
02:00:56.42	Unknown	reserve.
02:00:57.75	Unknown	to 25% and we're gonna bring that as a formal action
02:01:01.66	Unknown	to counsel at the next meeting.
02:01:04.03	Unknown	So if we look here again, these two lower red or two, I'm sorry, two lower blue bars or buckets.
02:01:11.67	Unknown	This is our reserve.
02:01:12.80	Unknown	This represents roughly $5 million or 25% of our general fund
02:01:18.19	Unknown	spend.
02:01:19.99	Unknown	general fund expenses roughly around $20 million.
02:01:23.38	Unknown	Above that, we have our non-spendables.
02:01:25.95	Unknown	And then we have our section 115, or I'm sorry, pension assets.
02:01:31.30	Unknown	That represents about
02:01:32.93	Unknown	Uh,
02:01:33.74	Unknown	$3.7 million.
02:01:36.19	Unknown	And then this really bright blue bar, that is going to be our resources in excess.
02:01:41.96	Unknown	of our reserves. So those are really available for
02:01:45.25	Unknown	Um,
02:01:46.27	Unknown	the city's needs. And in this insurance predicament is certainly one of those needs.
02:01:50.97	Unknown	So here you can see if we look at our fiscal year 24,
02:01:54.72	Unknown	Um,
02:01:55.24	Unknown	This is considering our half a million dollar surplus that we are projecting.
02:01:59.58	Unknown	In fiscal year 24, you can see here that we've got
02:02:03.07	Unknown	Um,
02:02:03.95	Unknown	you know, an inquiry.
02:02:05.06	Unknown	in, in,
02:02:05.94	Unknown	in
02:02:06.60	Unknown	reserve.
02:02:07.60	Unknown	And then here we are consuming
02:02:09.87	Unknown	some of those reserves if we look at our best case because of that unbalanced general fund.
02:02:14.43	Unknown	with a deficit just around a million dollars.
02:02:17.45	Unknown	Here would be maybe a work case if we had maybe a half a million dollars more in claims
02:02:23.51	Unknown	than what was in our budget.
02:02:25.53	Unknown	So this, again, we are consuming some of those
02:02:28.72	Unknown	resources available in excess of reserves.
02:02:31.64	Unknown	but we would not be getting anywhere near our reserves.
02:02:36.59	Unknown	Um,
02:02:37.68	Unknown	You can see reconciliation of all city funds
02:02:41.90	Unknown	Um,
02:02:42.69	Unknown	I removed this slide and updated it.
02:02:45.19	Unknown	Here you can see that updated insurance
02:02:48.60	Unknown	or the updated general fund expenses.
02:02:50.96	Unknown	This has been reduced because of the reduction in planned insurance costs
02:02:55.39	Unknown	which has reduced our savings and fund balance again to just under a million.
02:03:00.24	Unknown	I'm not sure.
02:03:00.90	Unknown	because I have...
02:03:02.02	Unknown	over-doubled up my
02:03:04.75	Unknown	my revenues and my general liability.
02:03:07.27	Unknown	So,
02:03:08.12	Unknown	Self-increase.
02:03:08.97	Unknown	fund.
02:03:10.02	Unknown	This number here has been reduced by 750,000 because of my error.
02:03:14.74	Unknown	that I disclosed earlier in the presentation.
02:03:18.47	Unknown	Moving forward here, you can see a mix of other infrastructure and operations. This has not changed from
02:03:24.63	Unknown	previous slides or previous presentations, this bill is reflective in the budget book.
02:03:29.39	Unknown	that was available before
02:03:31.28	Unknown	the meeting.
02:03:33.57	Unknown	The final slide here, this simply changed because I needed to update the totals and I apologize that this did not
02:03:40.85	Unknown	Um,
02:03:42.15	Unknown	update or I didn't note in red.
02:03:44.88	Unknown	that this number has changed, this total line has changed,
02:03:48.39	Unknown	And then the same imbalance sort of thing.
02:03:51.17	Unknown	and our
02:03:52.07	Unknown	ending balance would have been.
02:03:53.89	Unknown	So those three numbers were updated from the previous slide.
02:03:57.76	Unknown	I just want to make sure that I call attention to that.
02:04:00.66	Unknown	for full disclosure.
02:04:03.07	Unknown	The final slide to talk to you here for interest earnings.
02:04:07.76	Unknown	This is really reflective of what Chris
02:04:09.64	Unknown	made reference to in his remarks.
02:04:11.80	Unknown	Here you can see on the illustration of interest earnings
02:04:15.34	Unknown	Um,
02:04:15.71	Unknown	on the city's idle tax over the previous five years.
02:04:20.22	Unknown	fiscal year 24 has seen a much, much better return
02:04:24.03	Unknown	simply because we're being more intentional
02:04:26.41	Unknown	on how we
02:04:27.45	Unknown	invest those idle resources.
02:04:30.48	Unknown	And finally, we'll expand a little bit more on the soft legal care plan.
02:04:34.68	Unknown	CARE stands for Cost and Revenue Efficiency.
02:04:38.14	Unknown	What we are doing is we've met with department heads, as Chris had mentioned,
02:04:43.01	Unknown	And we've asked them to
02:04:45.21	Unknown	discuss with our team ways that we can
02:04:47.60	Unknown	either reduce costs or
02:04:49.75	Unknown	generate additional revenues to the city.
02:04:52.48	Unknown	Information is due back, as Chris mentioned, by June 30th.
02:04:56.82	Unknown	Um,
02:04:57.66	Unknown	City Manager Zapata and myself will evaluate the ideas and rank them.
02:05:01.96	Unknown	based upon impact and effort.
02:05:04.16	Unknown	to identify ways that we can have
02:05:06.82	Unknown	really significant impact.
02:05:08.87	Unknown	and reduced our efforts to help balance this budget moving forward.
02:05:12.71	Unknown	Ideas will be presented to council.
02:05:16.06	Unknown	in September after their recess.
02:05:19.53	Unknown	With that being said, I'll go ahead and end my slides there and open it up for comments.
02:05:22.38	Unknown	it's a great thing.
02:05:24.86	Unknown	Okay, we'll open up for comments. I just wanna congratulate you. Sorry, yes, thank you, questions. Congratulations, you and the.
02:05:32.31	Unknown	team on the insurance matter in particular, with all this splendid presentation. So I'm sure we have lots of questions. But I also want to just acknowledge the hard work
02:05:41.48	Unknown	You and the numerous other people that were involved, Sergio, Chris Seating, the manager, Kathy, many others in,
02:05:46.70	Unknown	really pulling a rabbit out of the hat under a tough situation on the insurance so
02:05:51.31	Unknown	and my vice mayor, who was on the committee, that we did very little compared to
02:05:55.10	Unknown	the hard daily.
02:05:56.62	Unknown	daily work of so many people. It was having a front row seat on it. I just got to say to my colleagues,
02:05:58.72	Unknown	It was a...
02:05:59.39	Unknown	Thank you.
02:06:02.55	Unknown	you would have been super proud of our staff and the city and to the residents, super proud of our staff.
02:06:07.49	Unknown	really hard working on this matter. It was impressive and has been bearing fruit. So anyway, sorry for the comment for the question. Does anyone want to start with some questions?
02:06:19.03	Unknown	Council Member Kellman.
02:06:20.30	Kellerman	Great.
02:06:21.02	Kellerman	Chad, thank you and thank you city manager. I know you guys have been very busy along with the city attorney on the on the insurance work.
02:06:26.19	Unknown	on the
02:06:26.51	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
02:06:28.04	Kellerman	So I'm going to start there for now.
02:06:32.41	Kellerman	Can you just back up a second, Chad, and...
02:06:35.44	Kellerman	Explain what the SIR means in practical terms for the city.
02:06:39.59	Unknown	Yeah, so the SIR, Self-Inference Reserves,
02:06:43.74	Unknown	In terms of a homeowner policy, think of it as your deductible.
02:06:48.53	Unknown	Really, that is who is going to pay the first dollar of any incurred law.
02:06:54.96	Unknown	So when we're talking about an SIR of 500,000,
02:06:58.82	Unknown	That would mean if somebody is walking down and Trips falls on sidewalks, soothes us,
02:07:04.61	Unknown	for a million dollars.
02:07:06.27	Unknown	we would be responsible for the first 500,000
02:07:10.59	Unknown	of that claim.
02:07:12.17	Unknown	If they sue us for $200,000, we would pay the whole claim because that is under the SIR, self-insurance reserve, of our policy.
02:07:22.33	Kellerman	Okay, so city attorney, as we know, is here tonight since we've been making them work hard. So I think it's worth understanding.
02:07:26.65	Unknown	Thank you.
02:07:32.32	Kellerman	Our claims to date, right, given our insurance woes, how many of them would come under the recommended SIR such that they would be out of pocket?
02:07:43.64	Unknown	So realistically speaking, most of the claims and settlements the city has had
02:07:50.14	Unknown	are,
02:07:50.88	Unknown	typically under a half million dollars. So I would say that a fair amount of your claims
02:07:56.65	Unknown	and the dollars that you would pay are under the self-insured retention.
02:08:00.57	Unknown	or would be under the self-insured retention for PRISM. As you folks are likely aware, you know, Bay City's raised the city's self-insured retention to half a million dollars in October of
02:08:12.36	Unknown	Last year on the private marketplace, the lowest self-insured retention the city was able to locate was $400,000. And that policy would cap coverage after $3 million.
02:08:26.69	Unknown	So, um,
02:08:28.95	Unknown	Again, a lot of the city's claims in terms of volume
02:08:32.99	Unknown	You know, some of them are as low as five or ten thousand dollars. You know, they may be a
02:08:38.39	Unknown	you know,
02:08:39.35	Unknown	a small slip and fall or some sort of sewage backup in a home, you know, that results as a result of like cleaning done by public works. You know, these are
02:08:50.30	Unknown	tree damage type claims where a tree falls onto private property. So those are small dollar claims. Even under a $50,000 SIR that the city has historically enjoyed, those kinds of claims would be coming out of the city's pocket entirely.
02:09:06.67	Kellerman	Okay, so let me just pause for that. Thank you, Sergio. So what I would like to see, and Chad, you and I talked about this over today, so I'm not just bringing this on you. What I would like to see is
02:09:13.30	Unknown	Whatever.
02:09:15.83	Kellerman	in aggregate, how much if the city adopted plan A, how much would the city have to pay out of pocket? If the city went for the upfront dollar amount, how much do we potentially save? Because if we pay
02:09:30.43	Kellerman	And this is a question I want to know if this is an accurate way of looking at it. If we pay for a plan that has a higher deductible, but the average of 23 claims a year that we have been filing causes us to pull money from the general plan, we haven't done ourselves any favors.
02:09:46.97	Kellerman	Um,
02:09:48.30	Kellerman	But we could, if because it's a cheaper plan, then use those monies for risk mitigation. So I'm trying to understand the trade-offs that you're presenting to us.
02:10:02.22	Unknown	So are really two options for general liability
02:10:06.57	Unknown	are, are,
02:10:08.11	Unknown	Prism with a $500,000 SIR or Hob with 400,000.
02:10:13.38	Unknown	The hub is
02:10:15.38	Unknown	five,
02:10:16.11	Unknown	four or five times as expensive as Prism.
02:10:18.98	Kellerman	Can you put slide 13 back up?
02:10:20.29	Unknown	Yes, I sure can.
02:10:21.61	Kellerman	Right, because you talked about a first dollar.
02:10:21.63	Unknown	Thank you.
02:10:21.90	Unknown	You said-
02:10:24.07	Kellerman	Right?
02:10:24.09	Unknown	Now that's under the workman's comp.
02:10:24.92	Kellerman	I'm sorry.
02:10:27.11	Kellerman	Yes.
02:10:27.15	Unknown	But yes, let me go back to slide 13.
02:10:29.14	Kellerman	So my comment or my question, I'm sorry, Mayor, I don't mean to give a comment, but I'm really trying to figure out, you know, with the breakout of our of the claims to date that that causes to lose our insurance, how much that would have cost us under both of these scenarios. And
02:10:44.29	Kellerman	There's different types of there's there's workers comp, there's something falls, there's litigation. We should see those broken out and understanding the cost for each so that we can then weigh which of these plans is better for us. Number one, and number two, it would seem that if we spent
02:10:59.68	Kellerman	less upfront on a premium, but we had a higher deductible, then we could potentially, as a council, have a policy to redirect those extra funds
02:11:09.81	Kellerman	into risk mitigation. Is that
02:11:12.45	Kellerman	Am I understanding this issue correctly?
02:11:21.58	Kellerman	.
02:11:21.97	Sophia Collier	I know.
02:11:22.24	Kellerman	Yeah.
02:11:22.55	Sophia Collier	Okay.
02:11:23.05	Sophia Collier	Okay.
02:11:23.19	Unknown	Chad, if I may help with this one, maybe you can put the slide that actually has our proposed premiums.
02:11:23.34	Sophia Collier	Bye.
02:11:23.39	Unknown	.
02:11:23.47	Sophia Collier	you're not.
02:11:23.52	Unknown	Yeah.
02:11:28.79	Unknown	Yeah, let me bring that up.
02:11:31.39	Unknown	No, that's all right.
02:11:33.62	Kellerman	I'm just trying to understand where we're going to be out of pocket.
02:11:36.10	Kellerman	based on historical
02:11:37.95	Kellerman	costs.
02:11:39.23	Unknown	So yeah, this slide I think would help.
02:11:41.85	Unknown	you
02:11:41.92	Unknown	Yes.
02:11:42.04	Unknown	Yes.
02:11:44.94	Unknown	So,
02:11:47.44	Unknown	Historically, the city has enjoyed a $50,000 self-insured retention, which means that typically after the city pays for the preliminary cost of investigation,
02:11:57.41	Unknown	Um,
02:11:58.32	Unknown	you know, and maybe some initial defense costs and discovery work
02:12:02.91	Unknown	the Bay cities basically handled the rest of the settlement of a claim
02:12:07.52	Unknown	until completion.
02:12:09.09	Unknown	Um,
02:12:09.93	Unknown	You know, at this point, there are really are only two options for the city, either private insurance, which we would obtain through hub, which would provide us with a
02:12:21.31	Unknown	$400K self-insured retention, meaning the city pays for the first $400K.
02:12:26.06	Unknown	of
02:12:27.21	Unknown	losses for any claim that is filed against the city.
02:12:30.37	Unknown	Um,
02:12:31.14	Unknown	versus under Prism, you would pay
02:12:34.28	Unknown	500k out of losses for any general liability claim. So those general liability claims-
02:12:37.64	Kellerman	Those general liability under, under the pool.
02:12:41.18	Unknown	Under the pool, it was 50,000.
02:12:43.88	Kellerman	Okay.
02:12:43.92	Unknown	Okay. Before October.
02:12:46.11	Kellerman	So the council is going to need to consider where we might...
02:12:49.59	Kellerman	have some, I don't want to call them reserves, but extra funds to pay above and beyond the 50,000. Because we haven't reduced our litigation or risk because we haven't hired a risk manager yet. We want to, but we...
02:13:01.91	Kellerman	a sensibly or still kind of subject to the same risk profile.
02:13:06.61	Unknown	Yes, and in the budget, I'm setting aside
02:13:10.07	Kellerman	Thank you.
02:13:10.14	Unknown	to pay those claims.
02:13:10.16	Kellerman	Yeah.
02:13:12.82	Kellerman	Okay, and where are you setting that aside?
02:13:15.03	Unknown	Yeah. So I set that aside and what's called our, it's an internal, it's an internal service fund under gap.
02:13:21.02	Unknown	But what it is, is the standalone fund where we accumulate resources to pay these claims.
02:13:27.02	Unknown	So we've had this for a number of years.
02:13:29.38	Unknown	but we haven't really been accumulating resources because we've had such a
02:13:33.73	Unknown	a favorable small
02:13:35.50	Unknown	SIR of 50,000 that we didn't need excessive resources.
02:13:40.26	Unknown	In this budget, I am proposing we transfer $750,000, that SIR set aside,
02:13:47.44	Unknown	to the South
02:13:48.94	Unknown	the internal service fund, our self-insurance fund,
02:13:53.24	Unknown	to pay those claims that,
02:13:55.64	Unknown	we as the city would be responsible for.
02:13:58.82	Unknown	So I am setting dollars aside to pay those claims in this budget.
02:14:03.23	Kellerman	Okay.
02:14:03.74	Unknown	If we don't spend them, then they are there to roll over to the next year or spend on
02:14:11.38	Unknown	additional risk mitigation activities.
02:14:14.47	Kellerman	So thank you, that makes sense. I just want to make sure that that amount of money
02:14:19.14	Kellerman	would cover what we incurred last year. If we imagine there's no reason to
02:14:25.00	Kellerman	envision a change in circumstance.
02:14:27.41	Unknown	Yeah.
02:14:28.34	Unknown	I believe it will.
02:14:29.35	Unknown	I don't have a crystal ball. And again, I...
02:14:32.81	Unknown	could be completely wrong, but I believe that would be sufficient.
02:14:36.57	Unknown	to pay those claims.
02:14:38.68	Unknown	It could be famous last words. I hope not. I mean,
02:14:38.78	Kellerman	Okay.
02:14:43.09	Unknown	Yeah, I ran out of crystal ball polish.
02:14:44.12	Kellerman	Crystal Ball Pollack. Yeah, we're trying to figure it out. OK, just two more questions. Let me switch so others can move on.
02:14:46.46	Unknown	Okay.
02:14:51.39	Kellerman	So you mentioned personnel costs. Today we talked about the manner in which you were envisioning the personnel costs, the costs as of today, not as of fully built out departments.
02:15:05.03	Kellerman	But I thought I heard you say something differently in your presentation.
02:15:08.32	Unknown	No. Okay. So this slide here, I think is what you're, what you're referring to. So I, I have
02:15:15.02	Unknown	I'm projecting for full employment.
02:15:17.31	Unknown	our goal is to employ all of our positions or fill all of our positions. So I'm assuming that we
02:15:23.34	Unknown	achieve that goal.
02:15:25.24	Unknown	The change that I've made is what do I budget for salary for those individuals?
02:15:30.78	Unknown	That was the change from fiscal year 24 to fiscal year 25.
02:15:30.98	Katie Thau Garcia	Yeah.
02:15:35.54	Unknown	both assumed
02:15:36.99	Unknown	full employment, that's Kathy's goal.
02:15:39.37	Unknown	is to fill those positions and provide great service to our community.
02:15:43.18	Unknown	And that's reflected in the budget. But where I budget them has been scaled back
02:15:48.82	Unknown	to a more realistic level in terms of dollars.
02:15:52.97	Kellerman	Okay, so you're changing the methodology between last year's budget and this year's budget?
02:15:57.10	Unknown	Yes.
02:15:57.74	Unknown	in wages.
02:15:59.36	Unknown	Because last year, for example,
02:16:02.23	Unknown	When I do
02:16:03.04	Unknown	I budgeted that the finance director position would be filled.
02:16:07.01	Unknown	but it was budgeted at the highest wage
02:16:10.57	Unknown	that I could earn.
02:16:12.34	Unknown	And I'm not at the highest step.
02:16:15.21	Unknown	So that was budgetary slack.
02:16:17.30	Unknown	that we are over budgeting.
02:16:19.48	Unknown	There's no way that I would be paid the top step.
02:16:22.60	Unknown	unless I quit and you had to hire somebody at top step.
02:16:25.81	Unknown	So what I'm doing this year is I'm saying, okay, Chad's going to be here for the full year.
02:16:30.46	Unknown	and Chad's wage is X,
02:16:32.74	Unknown	and I anticipate Chad gets
02:16:34.34	Unknown	a small or a cola.
02:16:36.49	Unknown	based upon
02:16:38.01	Unknown	previous negotiations.
02:16:40.10	Unknown	And that's where I'm budgeting wages. I'm not making the assumption that we have to pay top steps.
02:16:44.98	Unknown	for all positions in fiscal year 25.
02:16:48.82	Kellerman	Okay, so it's fully belted out staff, but they're giving lower wages.
02:16:53.06	Unknown	No, I'm budgeting that. I'm not giving, I'm not, yes, I'm budgeting
02:16:57.82	Unknown	lower lower
02:16:59.51	Unknown	a more realistic wage where they are currently at
02:17:02.86	Unknown	plus their adjustment for that year.
02:17:05.33	Kellerman	It is a...
02:17:05.45	Unknown	Go ahead.
02:17:06.78	Kellerman	into account the labor negotiations we undertook and the decisions we made.
02:17:09.65	Unknown	Is it amazing? Yes, it does.
02:17:12.42	Kellerman	I see.
02:17:13.65	Kellerman	Okay, and then just for everyone's benefit, because we talked about it today as well, I asked about how recent decisions regarding the downtown might impact our budget moving forward. We talked about the loss of 31 parking spots that you had said was an average value of around $7,500. We talked about the BID and the cost and the city's contribution there. And can you just share just from the timing perspective why it's not included in this budget cycle?
02:17:34.96	Unknown	Yeah.
02:17:35.03	Unknown	Thank you.
02:17:35.06	Unknown	Can you-
02:17:35.18	Unknown	Thank you.
02:17:35.21	Unknown	Yeah.
02:17:39.70	Unknown	Yeah, so the bid was not included in the budget cycle.
02:17:44.00	Unknown	again, because I wasn't sure where we were going with this.
02:17:46.62	Unknown	I did remove, let me go down to this.
02:17:49.71	Unknown	Let me find that fire.
02:17:51.80	Unknown	Apologize here.
02:17:55.99	Unknown	Yep, so the CDA contract has been removed.
02:17:59.60	Unknown	um,
02:18:00.37	Unknown	Right here.
02:18:01.54	Unknown	This is basically the CDA contract.
02:18:03.87	Unknown	We still have the destination Sausalito in the budget, and I still have
02:18:08.68	Unknown	maintenance of those lights in the budget. So we have
02:18:12.37	Unknown	about $20,000 of the original 90
02:18:16.02	Unknown	that we have paid in the past.
02:18:17.75	Unknown	And that was factored into the bid.
02:18:19.92	Unknown	the bid calculations that we had talked about
02:18:22.89	Unknown	I do not have that full contribution in here because I'm not sure where the council chooses to go.
02:18:29.55	Kellerman	Okay, and the last question about revenue, have you have you taken a look sorry this is a new question we didn't discuss this earlier today. At the impact of properties coming on and off the tax roll. So if there is a private property, the city acquires like the Bank of America building we used to collect property taxes on it, we no longer collect property taxes on it. Yeah.
02:18:35.36	Unknown	Okay.
02:18:47.84	Unknown	Yeah.
02:18:48.30	Kellerman	Um, similarly, I don't know, let's say the corporation yard city owned. We don't, there's no taxes on it. If it went to a private developer, there would be taxes. Have you looked at that at all in terms of revenue?
02:18:58.49	Unknown	No, no, I haven't. I can certainly look up what the Bank of America building was contributing before our acquisition, and that would be an easy request or an easy ask.
02:19:09.04	Unknown	I could do some analysis on the corp yard based upon land values, but we would have to make assumptions on improved costs per se.
02:19:15.97	Unknown	But certainly something we could consider.
02:19:19.40	Kellerman	Okay. Yeah. City has some, um,
02:19:21.53	Unknown	We have a lot of properties.
02:19:22.77	Kellerman	I could go into private ownership.
02:19:24.34	Unknown	Yeah, I agree. You're welcome.
02:19:24.70	Kellerman	All right.
02:19:26.52	Unknown	Thank you.
02:19:27.18	Unknown	Mm.
02:19:27.70	Unknown	Vice mayor.
02:19:29.34	Cox	I just wanted to actually follow on the second to the last line of questioning regarding FTEs. So can you go back to that slide about our staffing expense?
02:19:39.95	Craig Merrilees	Thank you.
02:19:39.97	Unknown	Yeah. Yep.
02:19:43.14	Unknown	Who, I think you're after that one, this one.
02:19:47.26	Cox	Yes. So, you know, we have in our packet this evening SWOT analyses from each of the department heads, many of which discussed opportunities for shared services, for, you know, going to part-time on some of their employees. And so I'm curious, with those...
02:20:14.87	Cox	suggestions by department heads
02:20:17.92	Cox	and knowing that we're facing a deficit, why we would make the assumption
02:20:21.62	Cox	that we're going to be
02:20:24.69	Cox	uh,
02:20:27.37	Cox	that we're going to have a 100% full roster. We never have had. We always have openings. And so I feel as though it would be more accurate to budget for the openings that we know we already have
02:20:40.33	Cox	And perhaps I'm certainly not
02:20:43.83	Cox	recommending a RIF, but I am recommending
02:20:47.93	Cox	a pause on filling
02:20:50.44	Cox	empty positions, particularly where department heads see an opportunity to utilize part-time, to utilize additional fundraising, and some of the other strategies that were proposed in the SWOT analyses that we received.
02:21:06.52	Cox	from the various department heads. So can you...
02:21:09.56	Cox	address why we are not
02:21:12.88	Cox	factoring into account that reality in our, and I understand we you're doing it the way we've done it in the past, but I'm challenged to consider a different approach this year as we're looking at a million dollar structural deficit. Yeah, yeah. Actually be real.
02:21:19.65	Unknown	Yeah.
02:21:25.54	Unknown	Yeah.
02:21:28.81	Unknown	So, yes, you have a great point.
02:21:33.76	Unknown	We know that we are going to have vacancies. We know that we have turnover. We know that it takes time to fill those positions.
02:21:41.01	Unknown	Um,
02:21:42.16	Unknown	Yes, there is going to be salary savings in this budget.
02:21:46.19	Unknown	But I am.
02:21:48.20	Unknown	I'm going
02:21:49.79	Unknown	this direction, assuming full employment with the goal that we can get there.
02:21:54.28	Unknown	Because in the event that we do reach it, I would need to come back later to council and ask for additional dollars at that point.
02:22:00.89	Unknown	Um,
02:22:01.67	Unknown	Our salary savings in the past has been
02:22:06.04	Unknown	I mean, it varies significantly. If I had to put a guess on what,
02:22:11.42	Unknown	is available in salary savings for fiscal year 25. It's probably maybe in the $300,000, $400,000 range. I don't think there's a,
02:22:19.46	Unknown	significant
02:22:20.79	Unknown	amount of excess like there was last year.
02:22:23.37	Unknown	But there is some wiggle room
02:22:26.10	Unknown	within that salary line item. So yes, there is,
02:22:31.62	Unknown	Yes, I agree that you have a point, but I...
02:22:35.18	Unknown	truly feel we should budget for full employment.
02:22:39.37	Unknown	And we can disagree, or you can direct me to...
02:22:41.78	Unknown	rework my budget.
02:22:43.98	Unknown	to not budget at full employment. Yeah.
02:22:46.57	Cox	Yeah. So if we asked for it, would you be able to give us a roster of each department and how, where it currently stands on number of employees budgeted for and number of employees presently existing? Correct.
02:23:01.76	Unknown	Currently filled. Yeah, yeah, that would be an easy task.
02:23:03.67	Cox	Yeah, that would be an easy task. I would like to see that as part of our decision-making process at our next meeting. So that we, because we've certainly promised the city manager that we're not going to seek a reduction in force. But I don't know that we need to be aggressively hiring for every position if department heads see an opportunity to save future rifts by maintaining current staffing levels.
02:23:10.55	Unknown	Okay.
02:23:31.66	Unknown	You know, I think creative staffing is a solution. One example in my finance department, we've
02:23:31.73	Cox	you know.
02:23:32.12	Cox	Thank you.
02:23:37.64	Unknown	we've brought on interns.
02:23:39.26	Unknown	Um,
02:23:40.15	Unknown	local college interns who want to get experience and we're
02:23:43.98	Unknown	giving them an opportunity to see government work.
02:23:47.61	Unknown	So, yeah, I think there are creative ways that we can fill staffing needs.
02:23:47.90	Cox	Yeah, I think
02:23:52.30	Cox	And I also, okay, and I don't want to, I did have a question also about turnover. So, yeah.
02:24:00.20	Cox	maybe this is for Catherine, but the 14% turnover that we're still experiencing
02:24:06.26	Cox	Is that
02:24:07.69	Cox	in your view, related at all to
02:24:10.44	Cox	our
02:24:11.22	Cox	the competitiveness of our salaries? Are we still seeing a large rate of attrition because we aren't competitive in our salaries? I was hoping we had addressed that through the actions we took in our labor negotiations.
02:24:25.88	Kathy Nikitas	Sure. I can't say exactly how much of that is attributable to salaries. I think there have been a couple of people who have left because they felt that they could make better money elsewhere. But again, there was retirement. There were, you know, one person left definitely for salaries. Another person left because they had personal situation that they just needed to move out of the area. So left definitely for salaries. Another person left because they had personal situation that they just needed to move out of the area. So I think overall we're doing well with our salaries, but some of the positions that we haven't been able to fill may be due to salaries. We're one of them risk manager, as we've discussed, and that just launched this afternoon at 4 o'clock, by the way. It's out on Cal Ops again.
02:24:47.16	Unknown	you.
02:25:14.62	Kathy Nikitas	with the new range.
02:25:15.36	Cox	Is it your practice when someone leaves to do an exit interview to identify the real reason that they're leaving?
02:25:24.71	Kathy Nikitas	It is. It is. We have...
02:25:27.98	Kathy Nikitas	Thank you.
02:25:28.00	Cox	Thank you.
02:25:28.03	Unknown	No.
02:25:28.22	Cox	Mm-hmm.
02:25:29.18	Kathy Nikitas	We have kind of beefed up that part of our process after being a little bit depressed for a while, but we absolutely are, and I...
02:25:40.81	Kathy Nikitas	because we have to let people know this is going to be confidential and I'm going to aggregate information. Um, but I've gotten some, some good responses.
02:25:49.57	Kathy Nikitas	Oh,
02:25:50.39	Kathy Nikitas	Overall, I haven't seen it be more than 50 or 60%. I haven't seen it be for money purposes. So I think we're doing okay in general, but we can always certainly do better. But I think the work that was done last year for the labor agreements has really, really helped for our stability.
02:25:53.99	Unknown	you know,
02:25:54.24	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
02:26:12.08	Cox	Thank you, and thank you for the arrow moving in a positive direction in terms of lowering the rate of
02:26:19.76	Kathy Nikitas	Absolutely. It takes a whole team and we're all working on it together.
02:26:23.32	Cox	Thank you.
02:26:23.81	Unknown	Thank you, vice mayor, council member, Boston or Hoffman.
02:26:28.99	Unknown	Constable Mayor Hoffman.
02:26:32.99	Councilman Hoffman	So Chad, we also talked earlier today, so thank you for your time. I know you're busy.
02:26:37.78	Councilman Hoffman	Principally, we talked about two things, and one was...
02:26:43.04	Councilman Hoffman	If we look at slide 16.
02:26:45.83	Councilman Hoffman	That's where we're talking about the change in the
02:26:50.72	Councilman Hoffman	the change in the,
02:26:52.02	Councilman Hoffman	Budget.
02:26:53.18	Councilman Hoffman	for the SIR, general liability SIR.
02:26:56.04	Unknown	Yeah, slide 16 right here.
02:26:58.67	Councilman Hoffman	I think that's, yeah, this is, yeah.
02:27:02.03	Unknown	Right.
02:27:03.88	Councilman Hoffman	It's not that slide.
02:27:05.05	Unknown	Not that one. This one, then, I would imagine.
02:27:08.90	Councilman Hoffman	General Insurance.
02:27:11.02	Councilman Hoffman	Right here. Insurance new slide.
02:27:11.31	Unknown	Right here.
02:27:13.84	Unknown	Okay, I'm gonna go to the even newer slide.
02:27:17.06	Unknown	That's okay.
02:27:17.22	Councilman Hoffman	Yeah.
02:27:18.63	Unknown	Yeah.
02:27:18.70	Councilman Hoffman	Yeah, yeah.
02:27:18.87	Unknown	Thank you.
02:27:24.40	Councilman Hoffman	Oh, that's... So there...
02:27:25.53	Unknown	.
02:27:25.55	Unknown	So they're...
02:27:26.31	Councilman Hoffman	Hold on, is that attached to the agenda?
02:27:29.84	Unknown	So this one was
02:27:31.49	Unknown	was sent out.
02:27:32.67	Unknown	And then this one was updated at 530 because we got more information from PRISM.
02:27:36.44	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you.
02:27:36.96	Councilman Hoffman	Okay, gotcha.
02:27:38.04	Unknown	So this is
02:27:39.52	Councilman Hoffman	question still yeah my question still
02:27:41.09	Unknown	It's still relevant. It's still up here.
02:27:43.02	Councilman Hoffman	So let me ask you this.
02:27:46.07	Councilman Hoffman	I think this might be part of the confusion. So...
02:27:49.48	Councilman Hoffman	the top line says PRISM general liability 500,000 SIR, right?
02:27:54.90	Councilman Hoffman	And then why is it budgeted there, original budget, the top line?
02:28:01.04	Unknown	Right up here.
02:28:01.82	Councilman Hoffman	Yep.
02:28:02.95	Councilman Hoffman	The top line there says 1.795.
02:28:06.51	Unknown	Yep, right here. Yep.
02:28:06.98	Councilman Hoffman	Right.
02:28:08.23	Councilman Hoffman	So what does that number represent then? If that's not the SIR, the SIRs
02:28:11.23	Unknown	Yeah.
02:28:12.60	Unknown	No, so this 1.7 million represents the premium
02:28:18.84	Unknown	or prism.
02:28:20.16	Unknown	plus 750,000.
02:28:23.53	Unknown	And then I also included that $750,000 down on a second line item. That's my error. So my error is right here.
02:28:32.88	Councilman Hoffman	I got the air. I got the part that I'm not sure. I'm not so sure. I'm not clear on that number. The $750,000. What is the basis for that number?
02:28:34.00	Unknown	Yep.
02:28:34.39	Unknown	part that
02:28:34.81	Unknown	Yep.
02:28:35.06	Unknown	Thank you.
02:28:35.48	Unknown	I'm,
02:28:35.78	Unknown	I'm not sure.
02:28:36.00	Unknown	you
02:28:46.45	Unknown	we're looking at
02:28:48.17	Unknown	previous losses, we're trying to estimate what we think is a reasonable set-aside number. I don't have a...
02:28:56.32	Unknown	an exact science on estimating this.
02:28:59.23	Unknown	I could be conservative. I could be way off on this.
02:28:59.27	Katie Thau Garcia	All right.
02:28:59.29	Unknown	I couldn't.
02:29:03.73	Unknown	It really depends on our experience on what type of claims we receive.
02:29:08.29	Councilman Hoffman	So the $500,000 on the,
02:29:11.24	Councilman Hoffman	of the SIR.
02:29:12.98	Unknown	Right here. Yep.
02:29:14.68	Councilman Hoffman	That's, that's, that's referenced later when you're talking about what, you know,
02:29:22.33	Councilman Hoffman	the mechanism of how we're going to insure ourselves.
02:29:25.50	Councilman Hoffman	But the 1.795,795,000 or-
02:29:27.62	Kevin McGowan	That's...
02:29:30.41	Councilman Hoffman	the intended 1,400
02:29:33.83	Councilman Hoffman	Okay.
02:29:33.85	Kevin McGowan	Okay.
02:29:34.04	Unknown	Okay, yeah.
02:29:34.76	Councilman Hoffman	45,000.
02:29:36.18	Councilman Hoffman	I mean, that's also just sort of an estimate number.
02:29:38.93	Unknown	So this here-
02:29:40.00	Councilman Hoffman	My point is maybe that estimate number because they're just estimates.
02:29:43.91	Unknown	No, this is our premium.
02:29:46.12	Unknown	The uncertainty around our cost is going to be on this GLL and property SIR set aside.
02:29:53.53	Unknown	This is a known cost.
02:29:55.69	Unknown	It's pretty firm.
02:29:57.83	Unknown	It's a little squishy still.
02:30:00.02	Unknown	We do have certainty on the PRISM property coverages.
02:30:05.21	Unknown	But this year is still a little squishy as far as the estimate. I don't expect it to go too much farther from this.
02:30:12.11	Unknown	This represents our premium. That is paid July 1st.
02:30:16.80	Unknown	we are probably,
02:30:18.25	Unknown	transferring
02:30:19.50	Unknown	any loss above $500,000,
02:30:22.30	Unknown	through the pool. So that represents a cost out the door day one.
02:30:26.59	Unknown	The $750,000 SIR set aside, that is an estimate
02:30:33.07	Unknown	And it will change based upon our claims experience. If we have zero claims, I'm not gonna spend any of that.
02:30:40.29	Unknown	A lot of claims, we're going to spend more than that.
02:30:44.49	Councilman Hoffman	Karen Hollweg, yeah because our our limit Okay, thank you so much for explaining that that wasn't clear even after we talked this morning so. Karen Hollweg, But this. Karen Hollweg, That means that. Karen Hollweg, I know. Karen Hollweg, yep well that's good. Karen Hollweg, So what I don't see budgeted in here, though, is an estimate for.
02:30:51.82	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
02:30:52.20	Unknown	Glad to help.
02:30:52.93	Kevin McGowan	you
02:30:53.03	Unknown	Yep, you're welcome.
02:30:53.69	Kevin McGowan	it's a good thing.
02:30:59.66	Councilman Hoffman	attorney's fees that we're going to have to pay now to defend our claims. Because before we had a 50, I understand it. We had a $50,000 premium
02:31:04.57	Mary Hudson	Thank you.
02:31:04.61	Unknown	Correct.
02:31:08.94	Councilman Hoffman	Anything over $50,000 we tendered the claim and the insurance company paid the cost of defense correct
02:31:15.00	Unknown	That is correct.
02:31:16.01	Councilman Hoffman	As well as settling the matter in excess of $50,000. So now I see a significant expense for us just defending claims, regardless of how much they're made for, between $0,000 and $500,000. Would you agree that's correct?
02:31:34.83	Unknown	Thank you.
02:31:34.85	Unknown	I would agree. If the claim is estimated to be
02:31:39.94	Unknown	200,000.
02:31:41.12	Unknown	the insurer is not going to look at it. We would be responsible to
02:31:45.83	Unknown	defend and negotiate that claim.
02:31:48.62	Unknown	One of the job responsibilities of that risk manager would be to help manage this process.
02:31:55.18	Unknown	We wouldn't have to seek outside legal advice for all claims.
02:31:59.70	Unknown	some of those claims, the lower end claims I feel, could be handled by a risk manager in-house.
02:32:06.15	Unknown	But yes, you are correct. Legal costs will be higher to defend those claims under a higher FIR.
02:32:13.19	Unknown	And part of that set aside of $750,000 is to cover some of those legal costs.
02:32:19.75	Councilman Hoffman	So I think, um,
02:32:23.90	Councilman Hoffman	Well, I'll take that later. Okay, so then the next thing is,
02:32:29.07	Councilman Hoffman	You would also...
02:32:31.07	Councilman Hoffman	agree that
02:32:33.32	Councilman Hoffman	even if we're, even though we have a, a,
02:32:36.84	Councilman Hoffman	Our liability limit is $500,000. The SIR is $500,000 per claim.
02:32:45.38	Councilman Hoffman	many times
02:32:47.80	Councilman Hoffman	even if we tender...
02:32:50.40	Councilman Hoffman	in addition to, you know, a tender claim and were covered by the insurance company,
02:32:55.39	Councilman Hoffman	we're usually asked to also
02:32:57.42	Councilman Hoffman	contribute additional money to settle a claim.
02:33:01.06	Councilman Hoffman	Correct.
02:33:04.01	Unknown	So I guess like a counter offer or what, I guess what?
02:33:08.01	Councilman Hoffman	No, we're sitting at this. Here comes our attorney.
02:33:10.31	Unknown	Yeah, thank you Sergio.
02:33:10.92	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you, Sergio. You're right, Sergio. Thank you, Sergio.
02:33:12.45	Unknown	Yeah, short answer is yes. And really that tends to happen in the event of a coverage dispute where we have a particularly strange claim
02:33:21.78	Unknown	or we have inverse condemnation type claims where historically, you know, the city's contract arrangement with Bay cities is that there was a,
02:33:31.70	Unknown	50-50
02:33:33.63	Unknown	split between the pool and the city for inverse condemnation type claims. In PRISM, there's an exclusion for inverse condemnation claims. Private insurance, there's an exclusion for inverse condemnation claims.
02:33:48.17	Unknown	Yeah, the kinds of claims that are likely to be covered, you know, are going to decrease.
02:33:54.44	Unknown	And, you know, when we do have pollution type claims or things like that, again, usually there is some sort of exclusion and the pool or the insurer will demand, you know, a contribution.
02:34:07.94	Unknown	because they will dispute that there is coverage for the particular kind of claim.
02:34:13.61	Councilman Hoffman	Okay, thank you.
02:34:15.04	Unknown	Thank you.
02:34:15.06	Unknown	Thank you, Sergio.
02:34:16.02	Councilman Hoffman	So those are my questions with regarding that issue. I'll have some comments on that.
02:34:23.06	Councilman Hoffman	And I'd like to move now to the salary and benefits. I think that's slide 19. Yeah.
02:34:30.82	Councilman Hoffman	I don't know what, it might be a new slide. What do you want?
02:34:32.51	Unknown	21.
02:34:33.52	Councilman Hoffman	Here we go. Or is that just a new slide?
02:34:34.31	Unknown	Here we go.
02:34:36.98	Unknown	Oh.
02:34:38.11	Councilman Hoffman	Okay, so this issue of the percent, the change, the third column over there, the dollar change,
02:34:44.18	Councilman Hoffman	And the change in methodology for calculating our
02:34:44.30	Unknown	Yep.
02:34:44.60	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
02:34:49.90	Councilman Hoffman	calculating our salary
02:34:52.15	Councilman Hoffman	on the budget. We did talk about that in our,
02:34:55.20	Councilman Hoffman	10-year modeling working group.
02:34:57.41	Councilman Hoffman	Do you recall that?
02:34:58.92	Unknown	I recall us discussing it, yes.
02:35:01.82	Councilman Hoffman	And is it your recollection, as it is mine, that
02:35:05.72	Councilman Hoffman	the
02:35:06.63	Councilman Hoffman	The consensus by at least two of us on that working group was not to change the methodology.
02:35:11.88	Unknown	I thought it was to continue at full employment.
02:35:16.23	Unknown	but not at top step.
02:35:18.08	Unknown	I, I, I,
02:35:19.64	Unknown	That's my recollection. I could be wrong.
02:35:22.20	Unknown	But that's my recollection, and that's why I went with this route.
02:35:22.66	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you.
02:35:26.57	Councilman Hoffman	Did somebody did somebody direct you not to know?
02:35:29.09	Unknown	No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This was my decision.
02:35:31.85	Unknown	Okay.
02:35:32.58	Councilman Hoffman	So let's go back to these numbers then.
02:35:37.27	Councilman Hoffman	the 2025 number of $9,948,971 over the 2024 number resulted in the $483,105.
02:35:53.12	Councilman Hoffman	But you and I talked about this today.
02:35:55.90	Councilman Hoffman	And if you applied the same methodology that you applied in 25,
02:36:00.56	Councilman Hoffman	to 24
02:36:03.01	Councilman Hoffman	that change would be
02:36:04.88	Councilman Hoffman	1.1 million, correct?
02:36:07.16	Unknown	Correct. And that's, yeah, that's what I'm saying down here at the lower
02:36:10.65	Unknown	in the footnote disclosure, if you will.
02:36:12.93	Unknown	that this number here
02:36:15.07	Frank Millian	Thank you.
02:36:15.12	Unknown	if I applied the same methodology would be,
02:36:15.14	Frank Millian	Yeah.
02:36:18.58	Unknown	would be lower resulting in a higher change.
02:36:22.67	Councilman Hoffman	And it would be that 1.1 million.
02:36:25.42	Councilman Hoffman	The converse is true too.
02:36:28.72	Councilman Hoffman	If you apply the same methodology that you used in 2024 without change to 2025,
02:36:33.99	Councilman Hoffman	that dollar change
02:36:35.36	Councilman Hoffman	would be 1.1 million.
02:36:37.62	Unknown	Correct. And then we would have a higher deficit.
02:36:40.72	Unknown	projective deficit.
02:36:44.57	Councilman Hoffman	It's interesting that you phrase it that way, but I'm just getting to the point that
02:36:48.38	Councilman Hoffman	the change in methodology
02:36:50.29	Councilman Hoffman	I think has resulted in the 483
02:36:53.18	Councilman Hoffman	accounting
02:36:54.19	Councilman Hoffman	But.
02:36:55.42	Unknown	It's on a boundary basis.
02:36:57.29	Unknown	It's a budgetary basis. And I'm trying to improve
02:36:59.05	Councilman Hoffman	I'm trying to...
02:37:01.23	Unknown	Right. Budgetary experience.
02:37:01.24	Councilman Hoffman	Right.
02:37:03.08	Councilman Hoffman	Okay, but my point is if you use the same consistent methodology,
02:37:06.90	Councilman Hoffman	The consistent response is,
02:37:09.21	Councilman Hoffman	You got 1.1 million.
02:37:12.28	Unknown	as a change.
02:37:12.97	Unknown	Correct.
02:37:13.48	Councilman Hoffman	Yep.
02:37:14.12	Councilman Hoffman	Okay.
02:37:15.38	Unknown	I'm not disputing that in terms of actual dollars, yes.
02:37:19.43	Councilman Hoffman	Okay.
02:37:20.85	Councilman Hoffman	Okay, thanks.
02:37:22.30	Unknown	Are you finished?
02:37:25.56	Unknown	Thank you very much. Any other questions?
02:37:28.48	Blaustein	I just have a few questions quickly for our city manager. And also a big thank you to Chad and to the insurance team for everything that you put together on this. So city manager, in reviewing your presentation and hearing from you, it seems like what you're asking from us is to essentially cover the deficit with the general fund balance that's unassigned. And then give you and your team more time to look at the care model that you're putting together. Could you just clarify that so that we would pass the budget as is, but that doesn't mean we're not going to make considerations and changes going forward?
02:38:03.86	Unknown	Thank you for the question, and that's correct. When I presented this first to the council, my recommendation was you want to maintain service levels for the community, for the businesses, for the visitors that come here, and drop dollars into your account so that you can provide services in the city. So you don't want to do that, disrupt that at this time. But what you do want to do is take and pay attention to what it is that you'd be looking at in terms of future years. And in future years, it takes, you know, what we did in 2021. And one of the things that I'm really, really cognizant of is there's something called management inertia. I have never been a victim of that. Whenever there's something that is wrong, we try to fix it. And that's exemplified in the numbers you see today. That's why you have $10.8 million in your audited five and 10 and unassigned cash, because we cut positions. We raised revenue through different means. So all of those are all important. So what I'm saying is when I need more time is I'm not going to sit in our hands, Northshed, we haven't, and we won't.
02:39:14.05	Unknown	consumed by this insurance challenge. And I think we've made great strides going from a $4 million worst case scenario to a $1 million worst case scenario. We need a little more time, which, you know, we hopefully you will give us. And we don't think that there is, I don't believe and would not recommend that there be any, you know, level of service reduction at this time until we've had time to look at some of these ideas, to look at some of the things that I know that are easily obtained, because a million-dollar problem on a $20 million general fund isn't a big problem. A $4 million problem is a huge problem, and that's what we were staring at a month ago. Two weeks ago, we were staring at a $2 million problem. Now we're staring at a $1 million problem. And I don't think that it'll take us the whole year to get to some budget solutions to figure out how to make this all sustainable. So I'm asking, yeah, exactly for that, Council Member Blaustein, Mayor and Council, a little bit of time to work with our team to bring forward the ideas and energy that I know that our
02:40:15.47	Unknown	our departments are bringing. Uh, but in order to do that, you know, and maintain service levels, it's going to take dipping into your unassigned cash for, uh, balancing this year's budget.
02:40:28.45	Unknown	Thank you.
02:40:29.56	Unknown	All right.
02:40:29.75	Unknown	Okay, open public comment.
02:40:30.98	Unknown	Thank you.
02:40:31.00	Unknown	Thank you.
02:40:31.03	Unknown	No?
02:40:32.30	Unknown	Can you do this? We need to move along, so.
02:40:36.92	Unknown	Can you just ask those questions during the next session?
02:40:41.09	Unknown	Okay. All right.
02:40:42.29	Unknown	Thank you.
02:40:42.54	Unknown	All right.
02:40:50.59	Unknown	Can you turn your mic on?
02:40:52.65	Councilman Hoffman	Sorry, thank you so much. I have a bad habit of not turning on my mic.
02:40:55.92	Councilman Hoffman	about how to lower, the steps to lower our risk profile over the next five years. And you sent me an email on June 4th
02:41:05.93	Councilman Hoffman	And there are seven
02:41:08.11	Councilman Hoffman	seven steps on this email, seven steps on the email to reduce our risk. A couple of those steps are included in your slide, but I don't see all of those, all of those steps. And I think these are important for us to talk about, certainly at our next meeting. And here, I'm going to read them off real quick. It's just going to take a minute. And then I would request that you forward that email out to the rest of the council, or at least include this if it's still your, if it's it's still your plan to lower our risk profile over the next five years. So one was review and update our policies and procedures and practices with an eye toward risk avoidance. Number two, invest in infrastructure, streets, sidewalks, buildings, and stairs to lower risk. Three, divest from sewer operation, as Sausleo did with fire service. Number four, hire a risk manager to assess 10-year history of losses and ensure risk review of current future programs.
02:42:01.25	Councilman Hoffman	work with insurance provider
02:42:02.90	Councilman Hoffman	staff and attorney to implement practices
02:42:05.48	Councilman Hoffman	and training to avoid lower
02:42:07.64	Councilman Hoffman	to avoid and lower claims. Review and create development land and
02:42:13.51	Councilman Hoffman	Sorry, review and create development and land use policy to consider the geologic hazard study recommendations for Miller Pacific and ongoing sea level rise vulnerability assessments. Number six, accelerated cybersecurity training by organization. Number seven, review of impossible acquisition of specialty insurance such as parametrics catastrophic coverage. Do you still believe that those are the steps to lower a risk profile over the next five years?
02:42:44.28	Unknown	Thank you for that question, Councilmember Hoffman. So the city council did receive that information. It was part of the information that the city attorney and I provided to PRISM. It really showed our rigor and intention to, you know, take this on. And I can say that when we approached them on June the 5th, we were told in May that that underwriting committee did not want to bring Sostito in. But when we started showing them exact concrete plans and steps that we believe were necessary for us in any scenario, including this scenario, we flipped that from a no vote to an 8-1 yes vote. So, yeah, those things are all really important. And, you know, some of them have started and they need to really continue, whether it's the landslide task force report that was done by Miller Pacific and figuring out new land use, you know, policy that, you know, mitigates or potentially mitigates people building on steep hillsides where there's no, you know, water. You know, that report is very helpful. You know, hiring a risk manager, that would be very helpful. looking at what we've got. And we've done some analysis of our insurance claims for the last 10 years. And of the 252 claims that we got over 10 years, you can see the trends. It wasn't every year there were 50, 25 claims. It were a few years where there were a lot of claims. And those events, you know, when you look at them as a pool would look at them, created this scenario that Sausalito could be a huge risk. And so we're facing these higher premiums. But I believe that they were isolated events that, you know, we will not see in the future if we do what we said we would do in those seven bullet points and then some. But it's all true. We need to do all of that and then some and then see where we are next year with our insurance costs because, you know, our plan is to make this, you know, the priority as it's been to try to find it but to actually implement it.
02:44:37.34	Councilman Hoffman	Okay, thank you.
02:44:38.74	Unknown	So now we'll open public comments. City Clerk, will you please give your instructions?
02:44:42.35	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
02:44:43.60	Mayor Sobieski	All right, Peter Van Meter.
02:44:47.48	Mayor Sobieski	that he'll be followed by Babette McDougall.
02:44:52.81	Unknown	by Mr. Van Meter. Please go ahead.
02:44:55.30	Peter Van Meter	Thank you. I strongly endorse the city manager's recommendation that you use the unassigned funds to transition your period of time while you're solving your insurance problem.
02:45:06.28	Peter Van Meter	And
02:45:06.95	Peter Van Meter	maintain full staffing, full city services. You've luckily, to do the good performance of prior councils and yourselves, you have that seven to $10 million available that is available. And this is the kind of circumstance where you need to deploy those funds. Thank you.
02:45:24.88	Mayor Sobieski	Rebecca McDougall.
02:45:31.80	McDougall	Thank you, Mr. City Clerk.
02:45:34.09	McDougall	I just want to, there's an awful lot that got covered here and I only get two minutes. So I just want to focus on
02:45:41.84	McDougall	There were quite a few comments about the city's real estate portfolio and how valuable that is. There's even been previous ideas about maybe we ought to sell one or two things just to pay off its deficit here or there. Now, I just want to put out one thing. There may be something that could be throw away on that list. I don't know.
02:46:01.28	McDougall	But when you look at the constitution of that portfolio, why in God's name is fiduciary agents, would you ever trade it? Thank you.
02:46:14.73	Mayor Sobieski	All right, see no further public speakers.
02:46:17.27	Unknown	All right, we'll close public comment and we'll bring it back up here. I'll kick things off just with a tentative motion to direct the city manager to maintain levels of service, following up on the vice mayor's suggestion to do present at the next special city council meeting, some information about whether we were to slow down hiring, whether that would be something to consider, but maintain levels of service.
02:46:43.89	Cox	May I make a friendly amendment? And also adopt the recommended reserve policy.
02:46:48.80	Cox	And
02:46:49.12	Unknown	Adopt the recommended 25% reserve policy. I guess I would leave it at that. That's the motion.
02:46:55.87	Kellerman	So for discussion.
02:46:57.47	Unknown	Yeah, he needs to be seconded.
02:46:58.36	Kellerman	I'll second it.
02:46:58.92	Unknown	it.
02:46:59.09	Unknown	Okay, so now emotions made the second and now we have discussion on that. Sure. But I cost remember coming.
02:47:03.90	Kellerman	Yeah, I really want to thank you, city manager. And I understand comments like the one made by Peter Van Meter around this is what the reserves are intended to do. And I know we always want to get to a balanced budget and we're trying very, very hard. I just want to just urge the team and perhaps with a hint of caution that I don't feel
02:47:26.46	Kellerman	I think the insurance is going to be a bigger problem, and here's why. Because we don't have an accounting
02:47:32.52	Kellerman	of the costs that have been incurred to date sitting in front of us in this budget conversation. We don't have, you know, this is what we've paid out of workers' comp. This is what we've paid out of slip and falls. This is where the costs were above the $50,000. And in this instance, moving forward, the city will now be liable. So we have that information. We just didn't put it together as part of this packet. And that is a concern because we don't have a full budget.
02:47:59.38	Kellerman	We don't have a full narrative as to how this insurance problem is going to impact us. And therefore, I'm cautious about...
02:48:09.02	Kellerman	accepting or approving the reserve policy until we have that information. But I would be comfortable with the remainder of the
02:48:19.06	Kellerman	of the pending motion. But until we actually have that lined out for us, and I think Constantine Rehoff made the point
02:48:25.37	Kellerman	I think it was you said, you know, well, what about the litigation costs? I mean, if this goes, it's not even a settlement, it's cost of attorneys. So that should be a part of this packet. And we know we have it.
02:48:33.77	Unknown	Could I modify my motion then to give additional direction since we have a special meeting next to include some sensitivity analysis around what you just said for the reserve policy?
02:48:43.06	Kellerman	Yeah, I think it's even more than sensitivity. I think it's an actual audit. We have, we know how much we paid. We know how much we have.
02:48:48.91	Unknown	The meeting is next week, so I went staff to give it. That's the direction. They have to provide it. But if they don't, we sought to approve the budget, so we're going to.
02:48:55.24	Kellerman	Okay, well, are you open to not including adoption of the reserve policy until we have that information?
02:49:02.61	Cox	I think, I mean, in my view, the reserve policy is sacrosanct. We can dip into fund balance, but I am really committed.
02:49:02.82	Kellerman	Thank you.
02:49:02.83	John DeRay	I think.
02:49:18.34	Cox	to keeping that reserve policy at that level as a hedge against future.
02:49:25.02	Kellerman	I totally agree. I think it should be higher.
02:49:26.56	Cox	That's what I'm saying. Completely agree. But with that fund balance at its current level, I don't think it needs to be higher this year.
02:49:28.16	Kellerman	I believe that you can
02:49:28.99	Kellerman	But with that,
02:49:33.58	Kellerman	except for the, pardon me, Mayor, except for the risk that we are unaware of regarding insurance and litigation costs.
02:49:39.94	Cox	Right.
02:49:40.70	Cox	our fund balance is high enough because this is the first year where we're encountering these challenges, I believe we can rely on our fund balance to mitigate those challenges as we gather data and become more confident in our projections. I also hesitate to
02:50:00.02	Cox	formally enunciate a
02:50:03.55	Cox	an amount that we're going to put aside to settle claims, because in my view, that invites claims. And so-
02:50:10.03	Kellerman	So agree. Also agree. Don't want that. I want a back looking audit to say, right. If we were under what we're going forward with, we were under that last year. Right. What would we have had to come up with?
02:50:20.46	Cox	And I also, and it's not my turn to speak, but I'll just, one more response to you is, I also, in looking at the analysis that the city manager provided to us of prior claims,
02:50:30.01	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
02:50:30.03	McDougall	I mean,
02:50:33.96	Cox	you know, a huge majority of our expense and numerosity of claims related to the 2019 landslide and the homeless encampment and that's a huge majority of the claims that really caused this whole.
02:50:51.34	Cox	phenomenon to occur. And so I also have confidence, if you look at our track record this year, that our SIR projections are likely adequate.
02:51:04.70	Cox	Thank you.
02:51:04.72	Kellerman	In the absence of a black swan event. In the absence of another black swan event. If you have an opinion by smear as to the first dollar versus paying a lesser amount, but having to have a higher deductible or a lower deductible, because he presented us with options. Right.
02:51:06.58	Cox	is what you're saying.
02:51:08.62	Cox	If you have an opinion on that,
02:51:22.32	Kellerman	Thank you.
02:51:22.34	Cox	Thank you.
02:51:22.59	Kellerman	So.
02:51:22.96	Cox	So...
02:51:24.89	Cox	I would take the finance manager's recommendation for this year.
02:51:31.11	Cox	But we can certainly, listen, we have mid-year.
02:51:34.56	Cox	And we have September care. We have midyear. We have opportunities to recalibrate as necessary as we learn more information.
02:51:43.45	Unknown	Yeah, so my thought was just leave the motion as is, but with a consensus direction that the
02:51:48.88	Unknown	reserve policy needs some refinement. It's not just the amount.
02:51:52.01	Unknown	But.
02:51:52.50	Unknown	We also need to talk about when we would use it.
02:51:54.64	Unknown	I mean, I note that we had never, we haven't used our reserves in the pandemic. We didn't use our reserves in the landslide.
02:52:01.51	Unknown	We haven't used our reserves in the
02:52:03.38	Unknown	Great economic recession. We've always used, as the vice mayor said, our excess cash. So we actually want to know what are our reserves for? Like when is an emergency? And you could even tie, for example, automatic spending cuts to when you tap into the reserve.
02:52:17.79	Kellerman	Yeah, it's an excellent point. And I think this is maybe what we'll tackle at the next meeting because excess cash for me is a misnomer when I know we have $18 million worth of deferred sewer maintenance and MLK deferred maintenance. And so we're just sort of playing with the money in that respect. Is it really excess cash? Or is it cash that we could have used to fix our roads and our streets? And we didn't. And so that's what I want us to be really factual about. And I know these are put into funds and they have these names and they're called reserves and they're called excess cash, but I want to really be pragmatic about how do we fix our roads? How do we make ourselves more resilient?
02:52:51.58	Unknown	I would like to respond to that because I called for that 10 year model last year, right?
02:52:52.64	Kellerman	I'd like to.
02:52:56.08	Unknown	First person to do that. Yeah, because- What's the status? It's, you know, our overworked staff is turning the crank. They just pulled the rabbit out of the hat of the insurance. So you don't have to city manager,
02:53:06.56	Unknown	the timeline is on getting that model done. But the point of it is, my colleague is,
02:53:12.48	Unknown	I just want to share my narrative is Soslito has actually been run as a financial organization extremely well. We've had multiple years of surpluses. We don't have a financing problem, finance problem. We do have an infrastructure problem. It's exactly to your point. And we've never made the policy choice of are we going to try to fix our tens of millions of dollars of infrastructure by bleeding off a little bit of excess fund balance every year? Are we really going to solve it? I do think that's a strategic choice for us to make, but this is just about balancing the books. We are not gonna solve the tens of millions of sewer or roads or buildings.
02:53:48.07	Kellerman	Yeah.
02:53:48.26	Unknown	Yeah.
02:53:48.88	Unknown	uh, needling around the margins.
02:53:51.11	Kellerman	I totally agree with you on that, Mary. I just want to.
02:53:53.74	Kellerman	express and put on the record for the public my different perspective to say, oh, we never pulled from our reserves and we had excess cash and didn't we do great and we're financially super sound when I'm looking around and I see deferred maintenance, I see potholes, I see sidewalks that need work. And so I'm not willing to
02:54:09.72	Kellerman	put this blanket nomenclature on and pat myself on the back, I really feel like deferred maintenance is a big issue when you own it.
02:54:16.35	Cox	But at the same time, I want to recognize the good work we're doing. So we've just adopted new sewer collection rates that include spending $7 million a year on deferred maintenance. We've analyzed, we've done TVing of the entire sewer line system to understand where the most critical repairs lie. And we've enunciated a long-range plan for addressing that, and we've adopted rates for the next three years to finance that. We're also actively working on sewer consolidation so that we turn that role over to the experts who are more efficiently and cost-effectively able to carry those out. So that's one way we're addressing sewers. We're addressing sidewalks by placing the responsibility where it belongs and helping to finance those repairs. We're slowly rolling out that plan so as not to overly burden any group in Sausalito, but we're actively addressing that. We're actively undertaking a survey of all of our buildings and city-owned properties so that we can evaluate what's needed and come up with a long-range plan for addressing that. So I do believe that while we as many municipalities suffer the malady of long deferred maintenance, we are actively and proactively undertaking that challenge.
02:55:42.91	Blaustein	I appreciate that. Thank you. Can I add one thing to that? Thank you. Just as we're talking about deferred maintenance and $18 million in deferred maintenance and the work that we are doing, let's remind ourselves as well of Measure L, which every year is dedicated specifically to infrastructure to address deferred maintenance. And while you are saying there's $18 million in deferred maintenance, which we should own, Measure L will generate $28 million over the 10 years. So that is going directly to assessing and directing that deferred maintenance. So while it might not be excess cash, it is definitely dedicated to and for specifically infrastructure costs and addressing the deferred maintenance. And that's something that we at the council put on the ballot and worked on together and that our voters support it. So we are doing something about it.
02:55:43.41	Cox	Thank you.
02:55:43.45	Kellerman	Thank you.
02:55:43.46	Cox	Thank you.
02:55:43.50	Kellerman	I did.
02:55:43.65	Cox	.
02:55:43.68	Kellerman	.
02:55:43.70	Cox	Thank you.
02:55:43.89	Kellerman	Thank you.
02:55:44.36	Kellerman	Nice.
02:56:23.31	Unknown	Councilmember Hoffman.
02:56:24.62	Councilman Hoffman	So I'm, um,
02:56:28.45	Councilman Hoffman	I'm hesitant to
02:56:32.15	Councilman Hoffman	talk about emotion with all this
02:56:34.63	Councilman Hoffman	incredible amount of new information that we received tonight.
02:56:38.48	Councilman Hoffman	you know we've talked about this in the past
02:56:40.81	Councilman Hoffman	But.
02:56:42.02	Councilman Hoffman	A lot of this information we received tonight
02:56:44.77	Councilman Hoffman	that was even updated at 5.30
02:56:46.96	Councilman Hoffman	we haven't received before.
02:56:48.53	Councilman Hoffman	And the budget
02:56:50.24	Councilman Hoffman	The budget discussion has been on our calendar for years.
02:56:53.87	Councilman Hoffman	four weeks so maybe even four meetings so
02:56:58.29	Councilman Hoffman	you know
02:56:59.18	Councilman Hoffman	The fact that we're here now, we've received some really significant information tonight, still some of it's still in flux. I'm hesitant.
02:57:09.59	Councilman Hoffman	when we set a special finance meeting for next week.
02:57:13.15	Councilman Hoffman	So my understanding was the finance meeting for next week was to do
02:57:16.99	Councilman Hoffman	the deep dive into all of these issues that we've talked about and raised today.
02:57:22.23	Councilman Hoffman	But there's additional information that I think is relevant, primarily
02:57:26.67	Councilman Hoffman	That's right.
02:57:27.30	Unknown	I don't mean to interrupt, but I just want to clarify that. My motion is giving direction for the adoption of the budget at that meeting. We're still not adopting the budget tonight. This is direction as per the recommended motion to adopt that budget with this direction.
02:57:34.32	Councilman Hoffman	Oh, wait a minute.
02:57:35.01	Unknown	Thank you.
02:57:35.02	Councilman Hoffman	you know?
02:57:37.13	Councilman Hoffman	.
02:57:38.36	Unknown	Thank you.
02:57:38.38	Councilman Hoffman	as per the recommendation.
02:57:39.77	Councilman Hoffman	Okay.
02:57:41.40	Councilman Hoffman	with this direction. Sorry.
02:57:45.15	Councilman Hoffman	Sorry, okay, forget what I said. Because I misheard you. Yeah, no, thank you for interrupting me. Okay.
02:57:54.30	Councilman Hoffman	So with regard for our discussion for next weekend,
02:57:58.01	Councilman Hoffman	I would like to have the...
02:58:00.44	Councilman Hoffman	the priorities that the city manager sent
02:58:03.83	Councilman Hoffman	out in either the email or the email to all of us, but certainly in the email to me on June 4th as priorities for discussion. Yeah, to all of us. And that be included as a discussion item as we work through our budget. The next thing, you know, I want to be clear that we don't have 7.5 million unassigned. We now have, I think, I talked to Chad earlier, with the new reserve, we have between $5 and $6 million, I think. So when you talk about, now we're talking about a deficit spend, that's about $1 million deficit spend, so that's out.
02:58:04.62	Katie Thau Garcia	that
02:58:41.83	Councilman Hoffman	of the reserve, right? So now we're down to about 4 million.
02:58:47.03	Councilman Hoffman	Yeah.
02:58:47.98	Councilman Hoffman	Well, out of the unassigned, right.
02:58:49.51	Councilman Hoffman	out of the unassigned balance. So we upped the reserve to 25%.
02:58:56.28	Councilman Hoffman	And that's in one of the slides that Chad gave us.
02:59:00.56	Councilman Hoffman	When we're looking at our increased risk,
02:59:03.60	Councilman Hoffman	with a $500,000
02:59:06.13	Councilman Hoffman	basically SIR, a $500,000 ceiling.
02:59:09.62	Councilman Hoffman	and our what we're allocating as I guess an inner some sort of reserve of $750,000 to sort of address that I think that's wildly inadequate.
02:59:21.13	Councilman Hoffman	And I think we need to look at the 10-year history that was provided.
02:59:24.83	Councilman Hoffman	previously and look at the average per year of claims. And that's gonna get us closer to what we should have for
02:59:34.19	Councilman Hoffman	a reserve with regard just to our to stabilize
02:59:38.30	Councilman Hoffman	our finances and decrease the risk due to the new
02:59:41.92	Councilman Hoffman	wildly higher
02:59:44.05	Councilman Hoffman	insurance costs that we're going to have. Also, the litigation costs that we know are coming, because we used to have most of those covered, because our previous limit was $50,000. So
02:59:59.52	Councilman Hoffman	I think those two things together, I think are going to get us
03:00:07.02	Councilman Hoffman	you know, pretty close to a low remaining unassigned reserve. And I want to be cautious about that for our discussion this week. So I look forward to that further discussion.
03:00:17.34	Unknown	All right, motions on the table. So I'm going to call the question.
03:00:19.93	Councilman Hoffman	I'll see you next time.
03:00:20.35	Councilman Hoffman	I'm sorry.
03:00:20.97	Unknown	Did I miss you? I am so sorry. I had a little bit of- It's a vigorous discussion. Please go right ahead, Vice Mayor, my apologies.
03:00:21.46	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you.
03:00:21.48	Cox	Yes. I am so sorry. I'm so sorry.
03:00:23.25	Cox	It's a little dance.
03:00:24.58	Cox	Please go right in.
03:00:26.29	Cox	Um,
03:00:27.27	Cox	I want to correct something I said earlier. I said $7 million per year. We committed $7 million at the rate of $750,000 per year for the sewer. So I want to correct my misstatement. We certainly can't afford $7 million a year on our sewers.
03:00:42.81	Cox	and I wanted to address the...
03:00:42.88	Kathy Nikitas	Thank you.
03:00:43.01	Kathy Nikitas	Uh-huh.
03:00:52.93	Cox	fast moving target. And it's not because staff has been late or dilatory in its efforts. So we scheduled the special meeting that's occurring a week from today
03:01:06.72	Cox	Three weeks ago.
03:01:08.12	Cox	because we knew that we wouldn't receive the information from PRISM until last week.
03:01:13.91	Cox	And so I actually want to commend
03:01:16.42	Cox	Um,
03:01:17.49	Cox	our city manager, Chad Hess, and the rest of our staff
03:01:21.39	Cox	our city attorney for actually putting together the facts and figures and projections
03:01:26.68	Cox	just in the last week that they've been able to do as we're continuing to get information from PRISM on a daily basis.
03:01:34.78	Cox	no criticism to staff we specifically scheduled the special meeting next Tuesday because we knew we wouldn't receive all of the information we needed in order to finalize our budget until and that that's why we needed that special meeting so I just wanted to make that clear this is planned it's still somewhat frenzied but it's a planned frenzy and I think we're on track in terms of the plan that we
03:02:00.53	Cox	made to address this moving target.
03:02:04.03	Cox	That's the only...
03:02:04.70	Unknown	What?
03:02:05.02	Unknown	additional question is called I want all in favor okay say aye
03:02:06.51	Cox	COMMENT.
03:02:09.93	Unknown	Aye. Opposed? All right. Motion carries. We will now move on to item five.
03:02:16.15	Unknown	Can I ask one point of clarification? Yes, sir.
03:02:20.03	Unknown	I do need direction.
03:02:21.70	Unknown	and
03:02:22.93	Unknown	using a workman's comp plan.
03:02:25.12	Unknown	I know.
03:02:25.21	Unknown	We were directing your recommendation.
03:02:27.52	Unknown	Okay, I would like to go with
03:02:30.49	Unknown	Let me just share my screen just to make sure we're all in the same place.
03:02:32.46	Cox	and not SCIF.
03:02:34.54	Unknown	I would like to go with Prism.
03:02:36.17	Cox	I would like to
03:02:37.00	Cox	That's a good recommendation, yeah.
03:02:39.15	Unknown	Thank you.
03:02:39.16	Unknown	Thank you. Thank you. That's your renewal and sustainability program update. Ms. Katie Garcia, welcome. Great to see you.
03:02:40.29	Unknown	Thank you.
03:02:50.94	Unknown	Thank you.
03:02:51.13	Councilman McCullough	Thank you.
03:02:56.02	Katie Thau Garcia	Katie Thau- Alright good evening mayor council members and members of the public i'm katie thau Garcia the city's resiliency and sustainability manager. Katie Thau- As we just discussed, the city of Sausalito has deeper infrastructure needs and sustainability goals than the current budget can accommodate.
03:03:15.34	Katie Thau Garcia	City management and staff have been challenged to source and implement alternative solutions, including funding that will support the city's effort to proactively renew infrastructure, promote sustainability, and provide budgetary relief in a back-to-basics approach while incorporating smart cities technology.
03:03:35.96	Katie Thau Garcia	In response to this, on September 5th, 2023, Council authorized the release of requests for proposals for the Infrastructure Modernization, Utility Savings, and Sustainability Program.
03:03:49.40	Katie Thau Garcia	The RFP sought qualifications and proposals from qualified design-build firms capable of providing comprehensive energy conservation measures, according to Government Code 4217.
03:04:02.64	Katie Thau Garcia	Through the process, Climatech was selected and approved by Council on December 19, 2023.
03:04:09.06	Katie Thau Garcia	Climatech has worked successfully with cities such as San Leandro, Clayton, Beverly Hills, Ontario, and Santa Clarita, and many more.
03:04:19.10	Katie Thau Garcia	Since council approval in December, Climatech has been very busy working with every city department to craft an initial phase of the Comprehensive Infrastructure Renewal and Sustainability Program, which will save the city money through energy conservation measures while helping the city update existing infrastructure.
03:04:41.79	Katie Thau Garcia	Climatech is here tonight to share this update, and on Thursday they will present to the Sustainability Commission. I will turn it over to Tyler Gertman and Bern Carter to share their preliminary assessment that they have developed today in collaboration with the city. Thank you.
03:05:02.85	Tyler Gerben	All right, good evening. Good evening, Mayor Sobieski, Vice Mayor Cox, and council members, staff, and community. Appreciate your patience and ability to look through what the city could actually accomplish with savings, additional revenue, and really take care of the immediate deferred maintenance within the city.
03:05:21.82	Tyler Gerben	My name is Tyler Gerben, regional manager for Climate Tech, and with me, Bern Carter, as well. We've been working with a slew of your city staff to help and collaborate and put this together.
03:05:32.01	Tyler Gerben	Next slide.
03:05:34.76	Tyler Gerben	So when we first started and we were selected from the RFP, we were given objectives to really help
03:05:39.81	Tyler Gerben	move the city along. The first major objective was to look at going back to the basics and improve
03:05:46.95	Tyler Gerben	infrastructure, take care of deferred maintenance. 10, 15 years ago, the city had a focus on fire, police, four or five years ago, more on the parks. And now looking at more of building infrastructure and really getting back to the deferred maintenance elements there and by taking care
03:06:04.57	Tyler Gerben	of those deferred maintenance elements as well, looking at hedging against utility escalations with utilities on the rise, even at what Chad mentioned in the previous presentation, as well as hedging against market volatility. So each year that.
03:06:18.33	Tyler Gerben	cities kick the can on certain projects, to Mayor Sobieski's point before, you know, projects are going up 10, 15% year over year. And that's a risk, that's a financial risk and liability to the city. So one of the objectives was to hedge against that as much as possible. Also to the sustainability efforts and to expedite the greenhouse gas reductions and climate action plan of the city, and then enhance smart city initiatives. So not only taking care of deferred maintenance, but also looking at 21st century technology to enhance and
03:06:50.48	Tyler Gerben	technology for staff to be more efficient, but also increase revenue and look at energy savings all at the same time.
03:06:56.51	Tyler Gerben	So those were the four main objectives that we were given as we were looking at this project.
03:07:01.53	Tyler Gerben	Next slide.
03:07:02.77	Tyler Gerben	So the process to date, I'll go quickly through this. We've accomplished quite a bit with the team. Competitive selection process is done, as Katie mentioned. Legal, Sergio and the team looked at the agreement, which the city council approved, which began our first phase of looking at the energy and water assessment throughout your city. And that started with the utility baseline development. We looked at your water use, your gas use, and your electric use across all your sites, parks, and buildings. And then from there, we went out and assessed your infrastructure in terms of the energy and water consuming systems. So engineering site assessments. So that took about two, two and a half weeks. And we even came back with Ali and Kevin and spent some more time investigating certain other measures as well. So a lot of time invested there. And really, it's been a collaborative process along the way, not only speaking with Chad, but also Wayne in parking to Pat and facilities, Kevin Ali, obviously, Katie as well to really bring together a collaborative initiative across all departments on what does this look like? What are the priorities? What are the deferred maintenance elements that need to be achieved? And then what are the technologies that the city needs to really advance itself? And through those conversations, we've really narrowed it down. And we're here to discuss that preliminary assessment and get further direction from you as we further, you know, get into the detailed assessment as the next step. In addition, we've met with Mark and Kimmery from the Sustainability Commission, and they've invited us to present on Thursday, so we'll be sharing this information with them and obtaining additional feedback from them, and obviously tonight, the council informational item.
03:08:35.53	Tyler Gerben	When you start these projects, especially when you consider California government code 4217, you look at the expenditures of the city in terms of its utilities, water, electric, and gas, which is the main chart on the left-hand side. In the middle, which I'll come back to, is the energy used by site. And on the right, it's the total annual utility spend that the city spends just on utilities, not on operating, not on maintenance, which is an additional expenditure above and beyond this number.
03:09:00.72	Tyler Gerben	$442,000 is spent on an annual basis, and escalations are occurring year over year on these numbers. If you look at the middle, I want to bring your attention to the middle chart, middle pie chart there. When you look at the top three, you have City Hall, you have MLK, streetlights are 17% of your overall energy use. However, they're all LEDs already. So you want to take a look at the fourth, which is your police station. And that's going to come to fruition as we go along in this presentation. But that's where the low hanging fruit is, is to see savings in those three areas. And just the fact of cost of doing nothing, keeping status quo, the city would pay at a nominal 5% increase year over year, $31 million in utilities if it kept status quo. So that's a lot of money. And as you look at it, you want to take the biggest bite out of that as you can, as you're moving along with your CIP projects, your facility projects, and even projects like this.
03:09:59.60	Tyler Gerben	So the sites assessed, every single site listed here, we assessed at different systems, irrigation controls, HVAC, we'll talk about those more specifically, but we looked at all those and the highlighted ones represent what was really discussed with staff and collaborated with on an initial phase to focus on as well. But we did look at all these sites that are covered here on the slide. Next picture, please.
03:10:26.08	Tyler Gerben	And then for those sites, what were the systems that we assessed, right? So we assessed the heating, cooling, city hall windows, and the list goes on in terms of these are the systems that consume the heating or the gas, the electric, and the water in addition. And in concert with knowing what systems we assessed, we worked with Ali, we worked with Kevin in terms of their RFP that's on the street for the facility conditions assessment. We will be providing information so that there's no duplication of efforts, a part of that RFP, and providing this information to them once it's finally put together. But overall, when you take a look at all these different measures, it's roughly around $11 million, not just of deferred maintenance need, but sustainability initiatives, resilience, etc. So it's about $11 million for all the different measures here that we assess in a budget preliminary manner.
03:11:19.25	Tyler Gerben	When speaking with staff, we also had to take into account what are the priorities, like Gene Hill or HVAC failing and getting that replaced. We had to look at various different things that they brought to the table. We also had to look at California Government Code 4217, which is the procurement of this project, which says that the savings has to exceed the overall project price. And so that's why you see this bundle of potential initial phase projects. They're also the lowest hanging fruit and they're focused on your top three energy using buildings as well to save as much money there. And we'll talk about the smart city parking as well, but also enhancing revenue for the city through smart, smart city technology as well.
03:12:00.95	Tyler Gerben	Next slide.
03:12:02.64	Tyler Gerben	Talk about the lighting first, because we're going to touch on each one of those. City has roughly 1700 fixtures. The city has done a good job of upgrading streetlights to LED and some various other lights. Part of the program would be proposed to...
03:12:17.32	Tyler Gerben	enhanced 762 fixtures to LED lighting technology, the remaining streetlights, 75 remaining streetlights, as well as the other building facilities, enhancing safety, security, but also lowering your overall utility spends. So finishing that up, 762 fixtures of LED lighting modernization.
03:12:36.47	Tyler Gerben	Next slide.
03:12:38.24	Tyler Gerben	Heating and cooling systems, I mentioned Gene Hiller, that system has been down.
03:12:41.60	Tyler Gerben	and replacing that system.
03:12:43.19	Tyler Gerben	and the HVAC, that system was installed in 1993.
03:12:47.62	Tyler Gerben	It's 31 years old. The average useful life of HVAC is 15 years old. And even the systems here at City Hall as well. So you'd start taking a look at age and replacing the oldest systems, which obviously Gene Hiller has failed and needs to be replaced. And it's one of the priority items that we would address as part of this program.
03:13:07.32	Tyler Gerben	In addition to that, it's about how you control your heating and cooling as well. Building automation, not only standardized for your staff so that they can see it remotely and control various different events, but also improve comfort and make sure systems aren't running when they don't need to run. And one of the key recommendations here, too, is electrifying the heating and cooling systems here at City Hall. This would not only include heating, but also air conditioning with very high-efficient systems these days. So getting rid of the furnaces here getting rid of the boy the steam boiler getting rid of gas throughout the entire city hall and electrifying it is a recommendation within this program as well. Next slide.
03:13:45.88	Tyler Gerben	I saw you cheering over there.
03:13:48.19	Tyler Gerben	And then looking at City Hall windows, some of the windows are just stuck open, not able to close. They're single panes, so very inefficient. But they also have a great aesthetic appeal and the historic preservation or the want to keep that preservation here of this facility. But in looking at all of those different needs here at City Hall, looking to upgrade the windows to dual pane, not only energy efficient, but also keep the aesthetic appeal. You can customize the paint color. You're going to keep the grid perspective of the new windows so that it wouldn't obviously change the look of the building, which is obviously what we heard is very important to the city. So keeping that same look, customizing the colors to really match what the windows and the building looks like now.
03:14:33.80	Tyler Gerben	Next.
03:14:35.07	Tyler Gerben	Also, one thing to mention, to improve security as well with the windows is huge, especially as you look at taking on leases with computers and other elements as well. It's really important closing those windows and making sure that they're secure. It's an added security element too.
03:14:49.17	Tyler Gerben	So the smart city and smart parking, this is two different elements that we've been talking about with the city.
03:14:54.03	Tyler Gerben	The first is the foundational communication network, which will actually go throughout downtown. There's communication issues with existing systems. This would actually patch those and have the ability for technologies to overlay this type of smart city technology. And in the future, the city could do public Wi-Fi. They could do, obviously, the parking, which we'll talk about, GHG monitoring and other elements, gunshot detection, noise detection, different technologies that can be bolted onto this smart city system as you move forward.
03:15:25.15	Tyler Gerben	with us. And that's, it's a similar process that other cities like San Leandro and Ontario and La Mirada have done is that they've actually implemented more of a foundational communication network and then added these types of amenities on top of it. And one of them is a smart parking amenity as well to enhance, obviously the revenue to put it in a parking lot five, which currently doesn't have any pay station or any ability to pay
03:15:49.60	Tyler Gerben	So enhancing revenue there.
03:15:51.26	Tyler Gerben	and then also replacing a lot of the coin-operated systems throughout the city and modernizing it to the latest technology to enhance revenue for the city. And parking lots one through five are looking at getting the enhanced parking system as well, which again will improve even just compliance as well with these systems.
03:16:12.54	Tyler Gerben	Next slide, please.
03:16:14.92	Tyler Gerben	These are just some sample solar structures that have been completed at other cities and public entities that I just wanted to show what that typically looks like.
03:16:22.31	Tyler Gerben	Next slide, please.
03:16:24.99	Tyler Gerben	So starting off back to the baseline chart, one, two, three, the energy intensity, sorry, of each site and trying to tackle those. You look at the solar PV here at City Hall. The city has an existing system
03:16:40.31	Tyler Gerben	on there right now. It's 15 years old. It's at the end of its term per the contract with Tesla. And the city has the ability to look at removing it or keeping it. We've done the analysis on the system itself. It's actually 20% inefficient. So it's running 20% less than what it should be at today's date with that technology. So it's an inefficient system. And it's basically got five, possibly even 10 years left in it as well. So the recommendation would be to look at having the company remove the system, because per contract they would have to remove the system, and install far superior technology, obviously 15 years later, and create the first net zero energy site for the city of Sausalito, not only financially a good thing for the city, but at the same time, leading the effort and sustainability as well. It would only need a nominal shade structure in the parking lot and no trees would need to be removed. No trees would need to be removed. And also one thing I wanted to point out is the reason why this is able to be net zero energy is the fact that the panels on the roof are 205 watt, and now they're going to be going up to 500 watts. So it actually produces more per square foot, which is really the far superior technology this day and time. So next slide, please.
03:18:04.10	Tyler Gerben	Looking at the number two energy use site, MLK, you see the three different rooftop systems here. This is because of the three different meters and the new NEM metering rules. But this would be the proposed rooftop structures at MLK. Next slide.
03:18:23.69	Tyler Gerben	And then obviously police has limited space on the roof, but this would offset about 50% of its overall load. And this is the number three energy use CIDR system as well. So putting solar on each one of these roofs to really curb the utility spend and expenditures. Next slide.
03:18:42.88	Tyler Gerben	EV charging. So the city has moved forward with two EV systems at City Hall and at Dunphy Park.
03:18:50.98	Tyler Gerben	This would fill in the rest of the sites, at least that was covered within phase one and add the police department. This would be a level three charger, depending on the car. This would be for public use as well. It could charge a Tesla in about an hour. So really one of the top end level three chargers. And that would be owned by the city. And obviously the revenue would be gained by the city with that as well. Next slide, please.
03:19:16.69	Tyler Gerben	Three level two chargers and with the mandate from CARB to modernized fleets, it's very important to look at future purchases and investing in EV infrastructure here with level two chargers at City Hall. You have enough capacity at both of those areas for these systems on electrical, from an electrical perspective. Next slide.
03:19:38.75	Tyler Gerben	So all in all, this is about 50% of the deferred maintenance and sustainability improvements that we've identified in terms of a priority first phase, low-hanging fruit that would drive savings, help procure with 4217, and drive, and we feel this is fairly conservative, but $7.5 million over the life of the program. And obviously enhanced revenues, working with the R on projections there for say for the parking. We feel that's very conservative and that could even go up higher as well. But about 7.5 million saved over the life of the program. And then various different funding sources, like we talked about at the beginning of this process, four to five different funding sources typically come together to make this program come to fruition. The Inflation Reduction Act, which is a grant from the federal government,
03:20:29.49	Tyler Gerben	the city would be eligible for that. EV grants.
03:20:32.50	Tyler Gerben	private sector financing, or depending on city capital or reserves.
03:20:36.38	Tyler Gerben	PG&E on bill financing, which is 0% financing from PG&E, very limited dollar amount here, because of the restrictions of that program, and then any other utility incentives. So really about a lot of different funding sources coming to the table, including some good grant dollars.
03:20:52.63	Tyler Gerben	Next slide.
03:20:54.64	Tyler Gerben	The Inflation Reduction Act is a new federal program that came from, obviously, the Biden administration and allows for
03:21:02.01	Tyler Gerben	public entities to actually obtain these grant dollars directly after you implement the renewable energy. And so we estimate north of $400,000 in terms of grant money that would come back to the city for implementing the renewable energy portion of this program here that we're presenting today.
03:21:20.96	Tyler Gerben	Next slide.
03:21:23.10	Tyler Gerben	The annual sustainability benefits. So just with the low hanging fruit program that we've collaborated with staff on today, this would accomplish about 80% of the greenhouse gas emissions that the city, you know, basically utilizes on an annual basis. So really taking a big chunk from the sustainability perspective for the city of Sausalito. Next slide.
03:21:48.11	Tyler Gerben	And this is a good wheel chart just to show what are the different benefits of this program, not only taking care of $5.7 million with the deferred maintenance and sustainability initiatives, but hedging against utility escalations, market volatility. Because once we are in contract with the city, which would happen at a future Sausalito council meeting, if obviously the program met your expectations, we would be held at a fixed price for labor, equipment, et cetera. So it's hedging against that as the construction's moving forward. And then obviously, a multitude of other benefits, including improving staff and operational efficiency with the new technology as well.
03:22:25.85	Tyler Gerben	Next slide.
03:22:28.23	Tyler Gerben	Climate Tech Community Connect program. So along these programs, examples of what we've done at San Leandro in Ontario, but coming alongside Sausalito and really sharing your story. A lot of these projects aren't necessarily like solar. They're not in front of the community. And it's about sharing what you're doing to invest in your infrastructure, save money, produce revenue, and obviously save the environment. And we come alongside you, help tell that story as well. And these are just some examples of websites that we've done for other cities.
03:22:57.03	Tyler Gerben	And then next steps. So obviously obtaining your feedback here tonight, answering any questions, and then proceed forward with doing a detailed engineering assessment of these selected elements. And then proceeding forward with obviously the June 20th presentation to the Sustainability Commission, and then potential council consideration September, October. And then there would be an implementation shortly thereafter as well. Thank you.
03:23:22.12	Unknown	Thank you.
03:23:22.29	Tyler Gerben	I have questions.
03:23:23.12	Unknown	Please, for this gentleman.
03:23:26.44	Unknown	Councilman McCullough.
03:23:27.15	Councilman McCullough	Thank you.
03:23:27.31	Kellerman	Yes, thank you very much. Near and dear to my heart. So very much appreciate it. And thank you to Councilman Blaustein, who I think brought this forward when she was the mayor. So one of the things that you glossed over just a little bit is funding. And you have a slide on it, but I really want to drill down on grants. So Department of Transportation, EPA, DOE, all have significant grant monies, probably slightly more applicable on a per project basis to a lot of these things. Even at the state level, there's weatherization monies coming from the California Department of Community and Development.
03:24:02.47	Kellerman	Is that a part of your project plan to be able to help us apply for grants in each of those different categories? I don't wanna leave this to the Inflation Reduction Act,
03:24:11.47	Kellerman	Because a lot of those monies are going towards workforce readiness and job training, and it's harder for communities of our socioeconomic status to really qualify for that. I'd rather see this grant pursued on a per-project basis based on the energy efficiency, this is going to be an HVAC system, this is going to be something that the Department of Transportation would want. Is that a part of what you guys do?
03:24:32.58	Tyler Gerben	We look at the funding on a holistic perspective. The Inflation Reduction Act is going to provide quite a bit of money for renewable energy and this type of project. And you do qualify for it, and you will get the money for it once you install the solar. So that money is more solidified. The other monies like USDOE is actually smaller and far more competitive on a national scale. And so we're seeing very low rates of success, especially with non-DAC elements within the application for grants. When you look at that, we are looking at MCE and and CEC grants for EV, which is already a part of this program. And all depending on to if the city wants to move forward with purchasing a heavy duty electrical vehicle that really boost a lot of the grant dollars as well, because that's a big push from the state of California. So we do look at a lot of grant dollars in terms of it. And is it even feasible to obtain those dollars? But a lot of it would come from other sources of funding, but a lot, you know, there is a good portion of grants mixed in here at this point in time.
03:25:33.99	Karen Hollweg	Karen Hollweg, And we do assist the city with those applications yeah to your question directly absolutely.
03:25:36.65	Kellerman	Yeah.
03:25:36.92	Tyler Gerben	Thank you.
03:25:38.86	Tyler Gerben	Thank you.
03:25:38.88	Kellerman	Okay, so when you come back to us, I would like a little bit of a rabbit hole on how exactly you assist us with those. Because those monies are out there and we haven't been very successful in obtaining them. This is also a council, as you saw, that really enjoys budgeting conversations. And so we pay very close attention and I want to make sure that we get to component number four of your arrow, which I don't think we'll get to unless those monies are actually identified. Agreed.
03:26:01.61	Tyler Gerben	I agree.
03:26:02.67	Tyler Gerben	And we want to definitely finalize that with Director Hess, City Manager Zapata, and the council as well in terms of how can this funding come together and then the savings that can be achieved from doing a program like this as well. And what does that look like? So we'll be finalizing that.
03:26:17.24	Kellerman	Okay. Yeah. And I would just urge you to focus more on the upfront funds for installation, planning and maintenance over the cost savings ROI that you want us to articulate in the budget. Because we just, as you saw, don't have the excess cash to actually install the panels, even though there's a lot of the lease agreements that are out there.
03:26:32.69	Tyler Gerben	One key component to the upfront capital that's there right now and what other cities are doing is whether it's capital reserves, you have the ability to make that decision, but there's also third party funding, even from like a bank of Marin or a bank of America at four, four and a half percent. And they do these niche programs where the savings would actually
03:26:50.40	Tyler Gerben	pay for that type of lease payment to get the project done at today's dollar. And so those are some of the options that are being considered because like with the IRA, that's a reimbursed grant. And so the upfront money to be able to do that and then bring the grant behind it once it's implemented is important. So I agree with you on the upfront, and we're looking at all those different options.
03:27:03.31	Kevin McGowan	And so,
03:27:03.54	Kellerman	Thank you.
03:27:09.82	Kellerman	to
03:27:12.43	Kellerman	Yeah, and you know, MCE is pursuing a lot of virtual power plant type scenarios. It's a really good opportunity. I'm on the board, and so we were talking about generation, and the board didn't have appetite for it, but virtual power plants are very interesting for offsetting grid load, so ways to spin that in the ecosystem are of interest.
03:27:29.68	Kellerman	OK.
03:27:32.31	Unknown	Councilor Vice Mayor.
03:27:34.34	Cox	I just wanted to follow up a little bit on the IRA funds. So my understanding is that in California, a lot of those funds come through the county and not directly to local agencies.
03:27:46.18	Tyler Gerben	Good question. The Inflation Reduction Act, actually one of the key components of the IRA is that it modified for years when you implemented renewable energy, just like you did with the PPA, with the solar on the roof. That entity got that tax credit itself. What it modified is now what is called the direct pay rate.
03:28:05.17	Unknown	Yep.
03:28:05.47	Tyler Gerben	And so it allows for public entities to actually obtain those dollars directly, not going through the county, not going through the state, directly from the Treasury once the system is implemented and then applied for afterwards. And so that change has really shifted, you know, focus on obviously implementing renewable energy, which is a big push, obviously, from Biden and the administration. But those monies don't flow through the state and down through the county. At least this portion that we're talking about, it's a direct pay directly to you as a public entity. And that rule change occurred within the last two years.
03:28:36.67	Cox	THOSE PEOPLE.
03:28:37.03	Tyler Gerben	types of projects. Or specific projects like this.
03:28:38.16	Cox	specific projects like this. Not for all infrastructure projects. Correct.
03:28:40.05	Tyler Gerben	Correct. Not all infrastructure projects for renewable energy, for EV, which sadly Sausalito doesn't qualify for the EV benefit. Right. And for battery storage, which is obviously still expensive and doesn't fiscally make sense at this point in time. But that's why the solar PV would get the credit of the IRA. Thanks. Any other questions before public comment?
03:28:41.96	Cox	.
03:28:42.26	Cox	Blen.
03:28:58.41	Unknown	Thank you.
03:28:58.68	Tyler Gerben	you
03:28:58.86	Unknown	because
03:28:59.07	Blaustein	Go ahead, Councilman Hoffman.
03:28:59.18	Unknown	Yeah.
03:29:00.03	Councilman Hoffman	after.
03:29:00.25	Blaustein	you.
03:29:03.59	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you for the presentation and thank you for all your hard work on this. It's clearly done a nice job of doing an inventory of what we need.
03:29:13.56	Councilman Hoffman	Is it possible for when you come back to itemize many of these things and segregate by building? Because we do have business enterprise funds for buildings that are revenue-generating, positive revenue-generating buildings for maintenance and things, you know, specific to that revenue-generating asset, such as MLK. We have a fund for that. We have a fund for Gene Heller. I'm trying to think of, I don't think we have a fund for City Hall. We're not, you know, so, but anyway, for those, and also with regard to our capital improvement plan and the plan that Public Works comes up with. And so is it possible to marry that itemized list to the capital improvement plan and the plan that Public Works comes up with. And so is it possible to marry that itemized list to the capital improvement projects that we've already looked at or addressed with regard to what Public Works is going to be working on?
03:29:19.17	Katie Thau Garcia	and segregation.
03:30:12.68	Tyler Gerben	That can be part of the overall facility conditions assessment, the information that we provide and even the numbers. And yeah, that can be part of that overall arching assessment.
03:30:20.88	Tyler Gerben	Thank you.
03:30:20.94	Councilman Hoffman	So that would be, I think that's what you're asking. Yeah. That would be helpful. And like columns, you know, like across the column, here's how it's going to cost. There's a funny source. How's it fit in our capital improvement project? And that's good.
03:30:22.67	Tyler Gerben	Yeah, that would help for us.
03:30:31.51	Tyler Gerben	That's a good question. And the next step in the process is to get that detailed breakout. As long as we're going down the right direction of looking at this type of infrastructure, you'll see it in the savings, lifecycle savings will be broken down as well as the price. Very transparent in terms of this process.
03:30:45.95	Blaustein	Thank you.
03:30:45.97	Councilman Hoffman	That'd be great.
03:30:46.51	Blaustein	Thank you.
03:30:46.53	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you.
03:30:47.14	Tyler Gerben	Thank you.
03:30:48.70	Blaustein	Hi, guys. Thank you. Nice to see you again. Really appreciate this comprehensive audit and consideration. I just was wondering, given that this is this council's first time seeing this type of audit, could you just a little bit speak to what you might have done for a neighboring community so that we can have a real world application of what comes next?
03:31:05.58	Tyler Gerben	Yeah.
03:31:08.19	Tyler Gerben	Yeah, yeah, yeah. For example, we could, you know, city of Clayton's moving forward with the implementation right now, small program, about $2 million that we were able to obtain funding. None of no capital was used. It's third party funding, but they were able to invest about $2 million in EV for their police, solar PV and go net zero energy at their city hall, water irrigation, HVAC building automation, and a slew of other improvements as well. More closer to you, City of San Leandro, over four phases of projects, not only starting off with their main low-hanging fruit, similar to what you're considering in terms of HVAC and building modernization, but they also implemented the Smart City package as well and really did a foundational communication network. That was about $23.1 million that they were able to invest in their infrastructure. And they only spent $3 million in capital as part of this program. That was over 10 years and four phases of bundled projects. But their first phase was very similar to what you're considering here in terms of Sausalito as well.
03:32:11.32	Blaustein	And on the battery storage and microgrid piece, I serve on the county's basically a task force on microgrids, and we had actually unsuccessfully applied for a grant for the city hall to be, I think we spoke with you about this, for the city hall to be an emergency response center with microgrids. Is there additional funding that you can look for specifically for us around microgrids for disaster preparedness or for conservation?
03:32:36.32	Tyler Gerben	Very good question. So let me go back to the example of San Leandro. So San Leandro, we started the first phase project. It was about five and a half million dollars worth of projects of really critical need. And a grant became available. We helped them apply for it and helped them get that money. So the answer is yes. When there is monies available and when that comes about, that could be an amendment, a second phase. We look at those types of things. We share that with you. We can help you submit applications for that and hopefully be more successful with that in the future.
03:33:08.28	Blaustein	And then the last question is just about the smart city measures. I mean, this is something that I'm very passionate about. We've talked about this quite a bit. Is this a long game goal for us, or do you see it as something that could be applicable in the first or second round of implementations?
03:33:22.22	Tyler Gerben	It's now in terms of the implementation, and that's what's going to really move the smart parking element and the increased revenue on that side as well. Having the foundational communication network is imperative, and then you can bolt on the smart parking and the other elements. I could even add additional revenue in the near future. It's a long-term play as a vision, but it's a short-term reality.
03:33:45.11	Blaustein	Thank you.
03:33:45.33	Blaustein	Thank you very much.
03:33:46.74	Tyler Gerben	Okay, so let's open public
03:33:48.03	Unknown	comment please.
03:33:50.19	Mayor Sobieski	See you click, Babette McDougall.
03:33:53.65	Unknown	Ms. McDougal.
03:34:03.61	McDougall	Well, that was a very detailed and authoritative presentation.
03:34:09.55	McDougall	I'm just kind of wondering where we are on a couple of things. So I just want to get back to this idea of what is feasible for Sausalito and
03:34:20.03	McDougall	versus, you know, boilerplate for someplace else where it may or may not be relevant. And oftentimes there's lessons to be had. So where are we in doing this with our own sustainability team? Are these guys consultants that come from the outside and do the work for us? I'm a little confused. Are they part of the staff?
03:34:41.31	McDougall	So I know we just spent a lot of money on Councilmember Kelman's
03:34:46.52	McDougall	spearheaded this magnificent effort to really push us out on sustainability, sea level rise, these really important cutting edge things that are already here.
03:34:57.54	McDougall	This is all very much a part of that same message.
03:35:01.31	McDougall	So they belong together. They should be aggregated into the same thing.
03:35:06.88	McDougall	It's all important. Thank you.
03:35:12.98	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
03:35:13.03	Unknown	Seeing no further public speakers. All right, we'll close public comment. Any comments here on the dais?
03:35:18.77	Mayor Sobieski	Oh, actually, I'm sorry. We did have one person. Oh, no, no. Sorry, wrong one. Yep. Councilmember Coleman or Boston? No, you go first.
03:35:25.81	Kellerman	Oh, I just want to ask another. So you probably know that for our EV charging, we worked with actually a local company, Integrative Charging, and that a unique upfront capitalization model so that they own all the infrastructure, basically kind of a lease situation. There are others. There's another member of the community. He has a company called GridVest Partners. I'm sure you know them as well. These companies that try to reduce the upfront capital expenditure. Can you, is that something you guys could include? That type of model where, when appropriate, we have it already with solar panels. The city doesn't actually have to own the infrastructure, but is able to...
03:36:01.79	Kellerman	have some type of either leasing your agreement or I can't remember exact terms of integrative charging, but something along those lines.
03:36:09.11	Tyler Gerben	Yeah, and if for some reason it's not included in phase one, then the city can elect to do that
03:36:15.29	Tyler Gerben	type of program through those means as necessary. EV in itself has very little, low maintenance and you have the ability to actually capture a hundred percent of that revenue as well. Um, so there's some, some think considerations as we walk through this to keep in mind.
03:36:28.85	Kellerman	Thank you.
03:36:28.89	Blaustein	Thank you.
03:36:29.04	Kellerman	you
03:36:29.11	Blaustein	Thank you.
03:36:29.19	Kellerman	you
03:36:29.23	Blaustein	Thank you.
03:36:29.26	Kellerman	Yeah.
03:36:29.38	Blaustein	I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT
03:36:29.53	Kellerman	I look forward to the next.
03:36:29.97	Blaustein	Thank you.
03:36:30.59	Kellerman	Remember posting.
03:36:31.20	Tyler Gerben	Thank you.
03:36:31.28	Kellerman	Thank you.
03:36:32.43	Blaustein	I just want to say I really appreciate the work that you're doing. And I think this is a great example of partnership to find funding for important initiatives. We don't necessarily have to use our, whether we call it excess cash or not, we don't necessarily have to use our existing funds to start solving some of these really critical climate problems and to use new technology and new approaches to move us forward. I think we can be doing a lot more as a city, and I think this is a first step towards that. So I'm really looking forward to working with you and your team to get us to implementation sooner rather than later. And I think Council Member Kellman and I have both been somewhat disappointed in our grants and our funding that we've been able to receive, and it seems like you are a clear pathway for us to do a better job there as well. So really appreciate that and appreciate your time. Thank you. Appreciate it.
03:37:19.43	Unknown	Thank you.
03:37:22.60	Unknown	Any other comments? All right, well, we'll accept the report and thank you very much for your time. Thank you. And the next day we'll now move on to 5C discussion and direction of staff regarding the Marin Ship Blue Economy Innovation District Initiative. Is there a staff report from you, I guess, Director McAllen or no? No? City Clerk, City Manager?
03:37:39.59	Councilman Hoffman	City Clerk, City Manager. Sorry, before we start, I have a question. Are we going to continue this item except for public comment, or we're going to actually hear it?
03:37:48.81	Unknown	There'll be a vote about that after public comment, is what the city attorney said.
03:37:51.90	Councilman Hoffman	Well.
03:37:53.67	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you.
03:37:53.68	Cox	I want to point out that this says that the staff report is to
03:37:59.05	Cox	Um,
03:38:00.38	Cox	The recommendation, this is not on
03:38:04.30	Cox	for action tonight. It's to discuss and provide direction to staff regarding this matter, understanding the required timeframe.
03:38:13.63	Unknown	That is the agenda item. Discuss and provide direction to staff regarding this matter. So that is the recommended motion. City Manager, is there a presentation from anyone?
03:38:24.38	Councilman Hoffman	Hold on. Sorry. Is it a point of order? It's not a point of order. I don't need to recuse. I'm choosing to recuse. In that case, I have a property within 500 feet, and I believe that the requirement of the FPPC is that if you have a property within 500 feet of an issue that comes before the council, the proper procedure is to recuse until you, there's a presumption that you have a conflict and that you should recuse until you have a written ruling from the FPPC that you have no conflict. So at this point, I'm going to recuse and I'll step back into the council chamber and watch.
03:39:04.54	Unknown	Thank you, Councilmember. You are, of course, welcome.
03:39:05.94	Kellerman	Councillor Schell, may I ask a question? Does your inquiry into the FPPC prevent you from voting on a motion to continue rolling on a motion that pertains to the substance of the matter?
03:39:18.02	Councilman Hoffman	Thank you.
03:39:18.04	Kellerman	Thank you.
03:39:18.46	Councilman Hoffman	I think if it's a calendaring issue, I can vote on that because that's non-substantive. But with regard to being present while presentations are made, while public comments are being made, I think I need to step out and off the dais.
03:39:32.71	Councilman Hoffman	City Attorney. City Attorney.
03:39:34.83	Unknown	Yeah, typically if you have to recuse from a business item rather than a consent item, then you announce your recusal, you step off of the dais, and typically you would leave the room.
03:39:45.85	Unknown	You're certainly welcome to watch the public comments, but you can't participate in the matter in any in any way.
03:39:52.00	Councilman Hoffman	I'm telling you.
03:39:52.06	Unknown	I'm telling you, I am.
03:39:52.58	Councilman Hoffman	I'll go into the back room and watch on the monitor back there. I'll watch public comment back there.
03:39:58.44	Councilman Hoffman	Okay.
03:40:02.68	Unknown	Is there a presentation from staff?
03:40:04.11	Unknown	city manager. Mayor, if I can just be brief, we got this as an agenda request from, I believe it was Council Member Hoffman two meetings ago, and then it was briefly discussed at the last meeting about hearing it, and so what you have in front of you is the information that was submitted by the attorney for the initiative, Mr. Wolf, and very little staff analysis of it because we haven't been directed to do it, but there is a whole lot of public comment that's been attached to it that, you know, is part of the record at this point. So, you know, I would be hesitant to speak about something that I didn't bring forward or that I haven't had the time to vet or city attorney wants away and he can too. But, you know, we're looking to take direction from you all as to what your pleasure is. We've given you some time frames about what would be required if the city council did choose to place this on the ballot, the timing involved in that. And again, you know, early August is when this will all have to be resolved. But in the meantime, you know, our recommendation would be is to give us direction and us to not provide a report because we're not prepared to do that.
03:40:33.05	Katie Thau Garcia	I was just...
03:41:08.61	Unknown	All right. Well, I have some questions. You do you know who's written who wrote this initiative?
03:41:13.53	Unknown	It came from a gentleman by the name of Mark Wolf from M.R. Wolf and Associates.
03:41:17.06	Unknown	Do you know if he wrote it, this attorney?
03:41:18.67	Unknown	I do not know that, Mayor.
03:41:20.20	Unknown	Do you know if this initiative has been aired at the Economic Development Advisory Committee?
03:41:26.38	Unknown	I don't believe so.
03:41:27.37	Unknown	Thank you.
03:41:27.91	Unknown	Has it been a has it been aired at any city commission?
03:41:32.55	Unknown	To your knowledge?
03:41:33.90	Unknown	No, sir.
03:41:36.75	Unknown	So we don't know where it came from, except for Mr. Walden.
03:41:38.38	Unknown	I understand.
03:41:40.40	Unknown	Let me be factual. So Mayor, it came-
03:41:44.97	Cox	So mayor it came. The staff report says he represents a group of Sausalito businesses and residents.
03:41:49.93	Unknown	I was asking CM Manager what he knows.
03:41:52.74	Unknown	Yeah.
03:41:53.27	Unknown	This came at the request of Councilmember Hoffman
03:41:56.62	Unknown	Three meetings ago, two meetings ago, last meeting, it was brought forward as something you wanted to hear tonight in terms of direction. There was no direction given to do anything but bring it forward. And that's what we've done.
03:42:10.07	Unknown	Okay. And then in terms of just, and maybe it's for Sergio or for you to have something go on the ballot, there's a process where you can gather signatures. Is that
03:42:18.92	Unknown	Thank you.
03:42:18.94	Unknown	Right. Yeah. And I leave that to the city attorney to do it for you.
03:42:22.79	Unknown	Yes, typically the
03:42:25.19	Unknown	authors of the measure would come to the city attorney's office, ask for a ballot title and summary to be prepared.
03:42:32.00	Unknown	At that point, they can go out and gather signatures after they...
03:42:36.51	Unknown	publish that they are doing so.
03:42:39.72	Unknown	And then after they gather 10% of the signatures of the registered voters in the city, then that is...
03:42:47.71	Unknown	reviewed, the signatures are verified, and at that point the Council has a choice as to whether or not to place the measure on the ballot.
03:42:56.10	Unknown	or adopt the measure outright.
03:42:57.84	Unknown	Okay, that was not done in this case, correct?
03:43:00.42	Unknown	No, that was not done. So they haven't been filed to gather signatures either, or giving you any indication of signature gathering?
03:43:00.45	Unknown	No, that was not.
03:43:07.88	Unknown	No, I have not received a request to prepare a title and summary for this particular measure. So that is step one in gathering signatures.
03:43:15.64	Unknown	So, Chris.
03:43:17.95	Unknown	For something to go on the November ballot, what would be the deadline for city council to act?
03:43:22.93	Unknown	I believe it's the end of the first week of August is the deadline. Let me look at the calendar really quickly. It's that Friday.
03:43:30.39	Unknown	Thank you.
03:43:30.42	Cox	Stassi says August 9th. August 9th.
03:43:30.53	Unknown	That's a good question.
03:43:32.13	Unknown	August 9th, yes.
03:43:33.87	Unknown	And for that to happen, the city council would have to take what steps we I think there's some sort of resolution we'd have to adopt it i'm not familiar with the actual X, so what would be the steps to get from here to there.
03:43:46.32	Unknown	From here to there, you would need a direct staff.
03:43:49.16	Unknown	I love him, too.
03:43:49.86	Unknown	And,
03:43:50.02	Unknown	I appreciate it, but I actually don't know the answer.
03:43:52.50	Cox	Because you didn't read the staff report?
03:43:54.66	Unknown	Are you really asking me that question?
03:43:55.48	Cox	Yeah, it's outlined in the staff. If you want the public to hear what the steps are.
03:43:55.99	Unknown	you.
03:43:58.88	Unknown	I would love the public to hear what the steps are. How many in the public maybe would like to know what the process is? There you go. Thank you. An overwhelming majority. You don't.
03:44:05.76	Unknown	There you go. Thank you.
03:44:07.74	Unknown	you
03:44:07.97	Unknown	Thank you.
03:44:08.04	Unknown	No.
03:44:08.19	Unknown	Thank you.
03:44:08.44	Unknown	I actually don't know.
03:44:09.90	Unknown	Thank you. I actually don't know.
03:44:12.29	Unknown	I really don't.
03:44:13.17	Cox	Okay.
03:44:13.35	Unknown	I'd be.
03:44:13.39	Cox	I'd say.
03:44:13.73	Unknown	I mean, as you can imagine,
03:44:16.48	Cox	Thank you.
03:44:16.53	Kellerman	the staff report.
03:44:18.89	Kellerman	May I reserve a presentation?
03:44:20.24	Unknown	I asked that there was a presentation, but there isn't. So that's why I'm asking these questions, because I actually don't know.
03:44:26.72	Unknown	And I am so again, city attorney, what are the steps from getting from here to that?
03:44:33.66	Unknown	So if you wanted to place the measure on the ballot as is, again, without going through the signature gathering process, this could only go on the ballot as a city-sponsored measure.
03:44:45.03	Unknown	And
03:44:47.44	Unknown	In order for that to happen, there needs to be a resolution placing the measure on the ballot.
03:44:52.28	Unknown	We do need to figure out what the form of ballot question would be. So that would be another...
03:44:57.92	Unknown	business item and discussion point.
03:45:00.20	Unknown	Um, additionally, um,
03:45:04.74	Unknown	Again,
03:45:05.70	Unknown	The city would need to comply with CEQA before placing this on the ballot.
03:45:11.56	Unknown	Having not spent a lot of time studying this measure, I don't know exactly what sort of Sequel analysis we may need to do.
03:45:19.25	Unknown	To the extent that it doesn't change existing zoning or development standards, chances are that the city may be able to rely on a CEQA exemption and not dedicate significant resources to CEQA analysis with this particular measure.
03:45:33.17	Unknown	Um,
03:45:35.10	Unknown	But yeah, the key issue is that the city would need to
03:45:39.86	Unknown	develop and have the council approve a form of ballot question, the council will need to pass a resolution placing this measure on the ballot for the November election prior to August 9th.
03:45:50.15	Unknown	Could that be taken at one meeting? So that for instance, could be our next scheduled meeting on July the 16th.
03:45:56.29	Unknown	That could, yes.
03:45:57.52	Unknown	So it could all happen at that one meeting. If there was action from the city council to prepare that ballot initiative, then it could be done at that meeting or at the July 30th meeting, but no later than the end of the first week of August.
03:46:10.05	Unknown	Correct.
03:46:11.09	Unknown	Okay, thanks for that clarification on the timeline. Okay, are there any other questions?
03:46:17.28	Cox	Yeah.
03:46:17.40	Cox	Yes, I have questions after Joan. Go ahead. Go ahead. So Sergio, the staff report outlines two different ways to put
03:46:18.04	Unknown	Questions after Joan.
03:46:26.01	Cox	an initiative on the ballot. One is by gathering signatures and the other is for the city council to place it on the ballot without the need for
03:46:36.02	Cox	collecting signatures. Is that right?
03:46:38.65	Unknown	Correct. Yes.
03:46:39.78	Cox	And so it's not illegal or improper
03:46:42.58	Cox	to put an initiative on the ballot without gathering signatures, so long as the city council votes to do so. Is that right?
03:46:49.52	Unknown	Yes, that is an option this council has, is the council can decide that it wants this to be a city measure.
03:46:56.98	Cox	And-
03:46:57.97	Cox	Either way,
03:46:59.30	Cox	ultimately the decision is made by the people not by the Council
03:47:03.69	Unknown	Thank you.
03:47:03.71	Andrew Junius	Correct.
03:47:06.05	Cox	Thank you for that clarification.
03:47:08.99	Unknown	Council Member of Boston.
03:47:09.99	Blaustein	Sure, I have some questions having read the staff report and the measure, but I'd still like to make some things clear for members of the public.
03:47:18.52	Blaustein	Um,
03:47:19.45	Blaustein	So often in the measure itself, the general plan is referred to. So this might be a question for the city attorney or the question for the city manager, because many of us, myself included, Councilmember Kelman included, Vice Mayor Cox, were involved on the general plan advisory committee. So just for clarification and for those here, how many years...
03:47:38.23	Blaustein	Did we have the general plan advisory committee for?
03:47:41.47	Blaustein	I'm asking.
03:47:42.33	Blaustein	But you guys can answer three years. Sure. We can all answer three years. Okay. And how much money did we spend on the general plan? Roughly in consultants.
03:47:50.25	Unknown	I heard it was around $800,000.
03:47:52.21	Blaustein	So we spent $800,000 and we spent three years and putting together the general plan. And how many meetings roughly did we have outreach meetings and general conversations around the general plan?
03:48:01.69	Unknown	Yeah, that predated me, Councilmember Blaustein.
03:48:05.39	Blaustein	56 general plan advisory committee meetings. Okay. And then we had a number of public workshops as well around the general plan, right? I remember that we had one specific to the Marin ship, for example, at the Spinnaker.
03:48:15.31	Blaustein	I think we had another specific. Okay, so that's that one. And then, in addition to the general plan advisory committee and the general plan which we ratified in 2022 and I'm very sorry that you were not able to be part of the vote on that vice mayor since you worked so hard on that. So that's the general plan. Okay, and then we have the
03:48:33.85	Blaustein	Because this measure talks about zoning, we have the Housing Element Advisory Committee. How many years did we work on that for?
03:48:40.03	Blaustein	Two. And how much money did we spend on consultants for the Housing Element Advisory Committee?
03:48:44.45	Unknown	Still spending.
03:48:45.50	Unknown	Okay.
03:48:45.53	Blaustein	Okay, but upwards of a million dollars. So we're at over $2 million and almost 100 meetings for these two items, correct?
03:48:47.59	Unknown	Those.
03:48:54.12	Unknown	That's a fair assessment.
03:48:55.37	Blaustein	That's a fair assessment. OK, and if we were going to make changes or zoning changes as a result of what we've worked on for three or five years on the general plan or on housing, we would still then, as a group, have
03:49:07.28	Blaustein	substantial conversations, meetings, and additional funding to talk about any zoning changes, correct?
03:49:14.24	Blaustein	As it stands now, if we wanted to change something in the general plan, because from my understanding of the measure and forgive me because I don't know who to ask questions to of the measure, given the context under which it was submitted. I'm just trying to understand here. If we were to make a change to the general plan, what would that process require of us.
03:49:32.12	Unknown	Let's let the city attorney answer that.
03:49:34.27	Unknown	So typically if you're initiating a voluntary general plan amendment, one, you have to do consultation with the tribe. You have to notify all potentially affected public agencies.
03:49:48.91	Unknown	You have to develop your general plan amendment and there's a number of
03:49:54.30	Unknown	you know, elements in the general plan, you know, you have your transportation, your and circulation element, you have your safety element, you have your housing element, you have your land use element, and each of them have specific requirements.
03:50:05.37	Unknown	Typically, some of what you're doing may depend on what exact
03:50:09.38	Unknown	you're amending,
03:50:10.97	Unknown	Um,
03:50:11.81	Unknown	But
03:50:12.81	Unknown	Additionally, you will have to have the whatever amendment you're proposed studied under CEQA.
03:50:18.26	Unknown	to the extent that there are environmental impacts.
03:50:21.75	Unknown	you will need to
03:50:23.68	Unknown	prepare the amendment itself, put it out there for public review and comment, take it to the Planning Commission for study and recommendation, and then potentially adopt it by the City Council.
03:50:34.43	Blaustein	And then there would be a requirement for public comment and public engagement at each of those levels, correct?
03:50:40.10	Unknown	Yes, and the amount does vary depending on what it is. So for example, the housing element has more requirements.
03:50:46.42	Blaustein	Let me ask you one final thing just for clarification and importance.
03:50:49.78	Blaustein	on a ballot initiative, is that the same? Do we need, is that level of engagement required?
03:50:55.74	Unknown	Um,
03:50:57.00	Unknown	Not by statute.
03:50:59.05	Blaustein	Okay, so there wouldn't need to be that level of public outreach, that level of consultants, that level of engagement or workshops. This could all just be passed in one measure without that level of consideration.
03:51:09.34	Unknown	Yes.
03:51:10.35	Blaustein	Okay.
03:51:10.69	Kellerman	Thank you.
03:51:10.88	Blaustein	All right. Thank you. That's it.
03:51:12.70	Blaustein	That's my...
03:51:13.04	Kellerman	Thank you.
03:51:13.42	Blaustein	Thank you.
03:51:13.49	Kellerman	Yes, thank you.
03:51:15.94	Kellerman	Thank you, everybody, for bearing with us. I'm going to respectfully ask my colleagues. It's clear we all have opinions on this topic, that we actually turn over to public comment and not
03:51:27.97	Kellerman	do what we're doing because it was not our time yet. And I will just say that I'm glad we've had over 100 meetings, which I participated in probably 98% of them having served on both the general plan and the Housing and Element Committee. So I feel we have very thoroughly vetted this issue over the last six years. So you can spin it both ways. But I really want to hear from the public. That's why my intention here tonight. So can we perhaps open public comment and I will save my questions.
03:51:55.95	Unknown	Of course, city clerk. Could you please open public comment? Babette McDougall? Ms. McDougall.
03:51:58.31	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
03:52:03.00	Mayor Sobieski	Oh, I'm going by the order that these were received. I thought
03:52:06.46	Unknown	Thank you.
03:52:06.48	Craig Merrilees	I thought we were told that you were looking for a presenter and we have
03:52:13.95	Unknown	Ms. McDougal, you're first in line.
03:52:18.83	Unknown	He's a member of the public, he has public comment.
03:52:23.84	Unknown	I know nothing about city manager is...
03:52:27.73	Craig Merrilees	I received the communication from the city clerk asking for the presenters and I notified the city clerk that I would be presenting along with an attorney.
03:52:41.76	Unknown	is all news to me. I thought I looked to the city. I asked at the beginning of this session if there was a presentation and was told by the city manager there was not a presentation.
03:52:50.00	Unknown	I wasn't aware of a presentation, Mayor and Council.
03:52:52.65	Mayor Sobieski	I'm not aware of it either. If I got that email afterwards, I wanted a clarification because you sent me a – were you Craig?
03:53:00.46	Craig Merrilees	Yes.
03:53:00.53	Mayor Sobieski	Yes.
03:53:00.95	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
03:53:01.07	Mayor Sobieski	Yeah, you sent me something for public comment. That's what I assumed it was for.
03:53:05.17	Craig Merrilees	The note I put in your hand.
03:53:06.03	Mayor Sobieski	to be.
03:53:06.17	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
03:53:06.18	Kellerman	I'm sorry about this. Pardon me, Craig. We know this is going to be controversial, and we know people are going to have strong opinions, and we know that there's going to be disagreement up here. Just for the sake of all the transparency we want, let us have some type of presentation, and then everybody can say we've heard and we consider the process. And there have been examples, of course, none have come to mind at this late hour of when we have, in fact, called people from the audience to say, oh, is anybody available? So if we just respectfully could just hear more, I think it's helpful.
03:53:30.85	Unknown	I think we just...
03:53:32.74	Unknown	I would like to respond.
03:53:34.57	Kellerman	Yes, of course. I was just trying to get out my thought before you issued your response.
03:53:36.37	Unknown	I know.
03:53:37.86	Unknown	I just look, this is all pretty unprecedented. The whole way this is coming out is unprecedented.
03:53:44.24	Unknown	We can give Mr. Mayor, there's some amount of time. I would like to give equal time to people that have had the opportunity to study and reflect, but they don't have the virtue of that because of the way this was all unfolded. So this is not the way to do business, for sure. That's part of my objection to this procedure, but we dutifully agendize it.
03:54:05.75	Cox	The precedent I would point out is the Sausalito Center for the Arts.
03:54:09.11	Cox	where we listened to a presentation from the Saucyde Center for the Arts, not from staff, regarding the requests of the council.
03:54:20.20	Kellerman	I'm just suggesting that this is going to be difficult enough. And I think this would just be helpful if we just heard and recognize your comments, Mayor. Great point. Vice Mayor makes also a great point. And I still want to create more of the controversy that we're going to hear.
03:54:33.29	Unknown	But I think it is unfair. We didn't know there was a presentation. We didn't give the opportunity for the property owners who were completely blindsided by this, the many businesses in the ownership that knew nothing about this, had no opportunity to be reached out to or engaged, an opportunity to prepare
03:54:34.69	Kellerman	Okay.
03:54:47.57	Unknown	a presentation to inform the public about why this is bad.
03:54:52.14	Unknown	So-
03:54:52.61	Kellerman	Think of a merit example, it's a pretty good example of how we needed somebody from the audience who came to give a presentation and wasn't staff and we gave them as much time.
03:55:01.66	Kellerman	And that was your decision as the mayor. So-
03:55:04.16	Kellerman	I think there's just a parallel here is all I'm suggesting. If you don't want to allow it, I respect that, and we want to allow it.
03:55:08.68	Kellerman	Thank you.
03:55:08.71	Unknown	Thanks. I think we should proceed with public comment.
03:55:14.26	Unknown	It's a mess that you're going.
03:55:21.39	McDougall	First of all, I'd like to applaud each and every one of you. This is the closest we've come yet to real democracy.
03:55:28.22	McDougall	Mm-hmm.
03:55:31.34	McDougall	We just might get there.
03:55:33.70	McDougall	I'm encouraged. I am so encouraged just for that.
03:55:38.08	McDougall	Okay, so we've gone through an awful lot of stuff here.
03:55:41.75	McDougall	I just want to say one thing.
03:55:44.67	McDougall	We have to focus on what is the bottom line question.
03:55:48.62	McDougall	What are we specifically looking for in our direction?
03:55:52.77	McDougall	You know, we're here to wrap up the current budget year. We're actually here to transition to the new year.
03:55:58.58	McDougall	A lot of what we're hearing tonight is the new stuff overlaying the old stuff. Well, that just means the old stuff is still here. But there's also the new stuff.
03:56:09.82	McDougall	I say we have to be flexible and move forward, and it's going to take some creative thinking.
03:56:16.95	McDougall	but I'm not opposing anything, I'm encouraging you.
03:56:20.78	McDougall	Thank you.
03:56:23.65	Mayor Sobieski	All right.
03:56:23.99	Mayor Sobieski	Catherine Abbasi, then followed by...
03:56:29.24	Mayor Sobieski	Bruce Hoff.
03:56:31.91	Mayor Sobieski	And then Ken Peterson.
03:56:36.73	Mayor Sobieski	Catherine, are you here?
03:56:39.36	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
03:56:40.23	Mayor Sobieski	All right, then. Bruce Hoffman.
03:56:43.85	Blaustein	Can we make sure people in the overflow room can hear who's being called for comments so everyone has an opportunity? I know there's an overflow room. I just want to make sure.
03:56:49.25	Katie Thau Garcia	want to make sure.
03:56:50.42	Blaustein	There was. I think there was. Wasn't there? Did people leave? I just want to make sure everyone gets a chance to comment because it's late and everyone's been here. Just making sure.
03:57:00.71	Unknown	Is it okay?
03:57:03.88	Unknown	Anyway,
03:57:05.47	Unknown	Good evening, council members.
03:57:08.00	Cox	Another member of the General Plan Advisory Committee.
03:57:11.65	Unknown	Yeah, and I think I made it to 100% of the meetings.
03:57:12.31	Cox	Okay.
03:57:15.02	Unknown	The
03:57:16.96	Unknown	It's...
03:57:17.98	Unknown	It occurred to me when I was sitting in the audience.
03:57:21.67	Unknown	The first time I ever attended city council, I was about 35 years old.
03:57:27.91	Unknown	I'm now...
03:57:29.01	Unknown	Two years shy of 80.
03:57:31.34	Unknown	And
03:57:32.67	Unknown	It's the same subject.
03:57:35.29	Unknown	It's exactly the same subject.
03:57:38.80	Unknown	Um...
03:57:41.11	Unknown	I wrote a letter. I hope you had a chance to read it.
03:57:47.51	Unknown	because I'm not going to
03:57:50.38	Unknown	belabor it or go over it. I just have two points to make.
03:57:54.19	Unknown	One is that
03:57:55.96	Unknown	Um,
03:57:58.46	Unknown	Most of the property owners in the Marin ship are families.
03:58:02.17	Unknown	They're longstanding families.
03:58:04.50	Unknown	They've contributed to this city.
03:58:06.81	Unknown	They've contributed to the nonprofits in this city.
03:58:09.86	Unknown	I've got tenants.
03:58:11.75	Unknown	who have been
03:58:12.90	Unknown	in my buildings for 20 to 25 years.
03:58:17.69	Unknown	that,
03:58:18.42	Unknown	Do the same.
03:58:19.55	Unknown	they participate in
03:58:22.07	Unknown	the nonprofits of this city,
03:58:24.40	Unknown	They contribute their time, their money, and their efforts.
03:58:28.02	Unknown	And I think that from what I read,
03:58:31.23	Unknown	in the initiative.
03:58:33.52	Unknown	This is a major stab in the back.
03:58:35.77	Unknown	to
03:58:36.78	Unknown	All of them.
03:58:38.96	Unknown	The, it's...
03:58:47.73	Unknown	It's an economic...
03:58:51.07	Unknown	catastrophe.
03:58:52.91	Unknown	that
03:58:55.14	Unknown	I think would result from this. I got seven seconds left. So...
03:59:01.17	Unknown	Thank you.
03:59:01.66	Unknown	It's it. Excuse me. Yep. All right. I'm done. Thank you.
03:59:07.97	Mayor Sobieski	Cam Pettersson then followed by Casey Pettersson.
03:59:11.90	Cox	Is your mic on, Walford? I'm having a hard time hearing you.
03:59:15.04	Mayor Sobieski	Anderson followed by a
03:59:15.97	Cox	THE FAMILY.
03:59:16.03	Mayor Sobieski	DC Pedersen.
03:59:16.64	Cox	Thank you.
03:59:17.47	James Kavanaugh	And I believe.
03:59:21.38	Casey Peterson	Yeah. Hi, council. I'm Casey Peterson, third generation operator at Clipper Yacht Harbor. Our property makes up 53% of the waterfront zone. We have 700 slips, 15 landside maritime tenants that support 145 maritime employees. And we supply the property for the Saucy the Boat Show. we're a large part of the Working Waterfront and this initiative does not represent us or our needs. The Working Waterfront Coalition does not represent Clipper or any of the tenants that we have spoken with. As you can tell by the letters written from the biggest maritime businesses in the Marin ship.
04:00:05.53	Casey Peterson	This group is the working waterfront in name only. It is alarming the amount of opposition from those they claim to protect.
04:00:14.99	Casey Peterson	For this initiative to be drafted behind closed doors with very little input from community and stakeholders is very upsetting. For this to be put on the agenda with six days of this being in the public is equally as upsetting.
04:00:28.93	Casey Peterson	Clipper is a certified clean green marina. We have 240 kilowatts of solar on our property. We host the cleanest boat yard in the bay. These are our values. And we are putting the blue economy principles into practice. John DeRay himself said,
04:00:46.31	Casey Peterson	Clipper is doing this right.
04:00:49.15	Casey Peterson	Why were we not
04:00:51.19	Casey Peterson	consulted to have input on this document.
04:00:56.93	Casey Peterson	I'm here tonight to preserve the historic Marin ship.
04:00:59.76	Casey Peterson	in which we are a large part
04:01:01.48	Casey Peterson	as well as make sure it has room to thrive in the future.
04:01:05.01	Casey Peterson	Those two are not mutually exclusive.
04:01:07.76	Casey Peterson	I'm asking, I don't understand why this group should have a second chance when the first draft was so careless.
04:01:13.94	Casey Peterson	Thank you.
04:01:13.97	Casey Peterson	Thank you.
04:01:14.27	Casey Peterson	I would ask to dismiss this and take no further action on this item. Thank you.
04:01:21.95	Mayor Sobieski	Michael Rex.
04:01:24.53	Mayor Sobieski	followed by Mary Griffin.
04:01:29.19	Unknown	Thank you.
04:01:41.43	Michael Rex	Well, I'm Michael Rex. I'm speaking on behalf of the RBMA.
04:01:46.67	Michael Rex	For those that don't know the RBMA,
04:01:50.52	Michael Rex	I brought our mission statement here.
04:01:53.17	Michael Rex	Richardson Bay Maritime Association is a volunteer nonprofit organization established in 1998. Charlie Merrill, Cameron Dorsey.
04:02:02.91	Michael Rex	Barry Hibbon.
04:02:05.00	Michael Rex	Thank you.
04:02:05.09	Michael Rex	founded it for the purpose of preserving and revitalizing Saucido's maritime heritage and tradition.
04:02:11.51	Michael Rex	The RBMA serves as a public resource to promote the working waterfront
04:02:16.17	Michael Rex	and traditional maritime skills. We were instrumental in bringing the Matthew Turner to be built in Sausalito.
04:02:23.55	Michael Rex	We, uh,
04:02:25.59	Michael Rex	Uh,
04:02:28.00	Michael Rex	We helped save Spalding when Myron died. We were the matchmaker to bring in the master mariners until a permanent operator could take over. We funded the Charlie Merrill Dory to be built. That'll be used at the small boating center. No one talked to us about this. And yet we've been at it for many, many years. I want to read a statement that was voted on by the majority of our board in an emergency meeting last night.
04:03:07.29	Michael Rex	Okay?
04:03:08.82	Michael Rex	On behalf of the Richmond Bay Maritime Association,
04:03:12.28	Michael Rex	We share the Solito Working Waterfront Coalition's intent
04:03:16.85	Michael Rex	to promote and preserve the industrial, marine, and art uses in the marineship.
04:03:21.61	Michael Rex	But putting this initiative is currently written on the November ballot as premature.
04:03:26.74	Michael Rex	because its impacts have not been fully identified. And there needs to be a broader dialogue within the community and among stakeholders to achieve these shared objectives more effectively. Thank you.
04:03:41.69	Mayor Sobieski	Mary Griffin, then followed by Sophia Collier.
04:03:45.29	Unknown	I appreciate everyone's desire to express themselves, but if we could please save our comment and signs of approval to the public comment alone, that would be appreciated.
04:03:55.45	Mary Griffin	Mary Griffin, I'm an architect and served on the housing element and went to a few of the meetings that you people have attended and I admire you for all the meetings, but this does seem very.
04:04:06.77	Mary Griffin	coming out of left field and hearing the comments we've already heard. So I urge you not to vote.
04:04:11.93	Mary Griffin	to put the Marinship Blue Economy Innovation District on the ballot for the November elections. The authors of this initiative should gather signatures like other sponsors.
04:04:22.11	Mary Griffin	Clearly this needs more community input
04:04:24.79	Mary Griffin	It has to be coordinated with the housing element
04:04:27.73	Mary Griffin	the all these other
04:04:29.30	Mary Griffin	projects that we're working on. So please don't bypass the process. This seems very upsetting to have this come out of the blue like this, not or maybe it should be out of the black, not the blue. Okay, thank you.
04:04:43.25	Mayor Sobieski	Sophia Collier followed by Jacqueline Amikas.
04:04:46.55	Sophia Collier	Yes, Sophia Collier. And my basic, I have two points or two words, CEQA and caution.
04:04:55.34	Sophia Collier	Because one of the things is we're in a lot of trouble where we didn't necessarily keep an eye on some of those details and that we cannot. We have the YIMBY lawsuit where there was an allegation made hopefully very well unfounded.
04:05:08.16	Sophia Collier	that we didn't take account of CEQA.
04:05:10.56	Sophia Collier	And that if we come again, and gosh, maybe it's a close call, and we say, hey, we don't need CEQA now, and then we go ahead with that, we'll be in a position where we're, the lawsuit pretty much writes itself. So I just feel like I urge caution, caution, caution here. And the other thing that I feel like is that what kind of message does this send to the state of California? We're supposed to do it, modify Ordinance 1022 and 1128 by November under one reading of one of the letters. Instead, we put an initiative to, with this initiative on, that is not the kind of message that we should be sending to the state of California either. So again, it
04:05:50.30	Sophia Collier	But the folks, if they support it, they're free to go and get signatures.
04:05:56.69	Sophia Collier	And remove all and put it on the ballot and remove all the risk from the city council that will take all the risk away from us shifted from Sausalito to the voters to make a decision. That is the way I urge us to act in a cautious manner we talked a lot about risk, how to reduce legal fees, how to reduce risk, this is what we need to do, we need to think about how to reduce risk.
04:06:19.19	Sophia Collier	Thank you.
04:06:21.87	Mayor Sobieski	Jacqueline Mikas, then followed by Adrian Brinton.
04:06:32.59	Unknown	Thank you.
04:06:33.99	Jacqueline Amaricus	Good evening, Council. My name is Jacqueline Amaricus. I've been a resident in Sausalito for over 20 years, as well as a business owner in the Marineship.
04:06:45.19	Jacqueline Amaricus	for over 20 years.
04:06:47.62	Jacqueline Amaricus	And...
04:06:49.13	Jacqueline Amaricus	I want to reiterate what Council Joanne Cox said. There are two ways that the voters can approve this measure. One is where the city council can agree to put this
04:07:07.18	Jacqueline Amaricus	revision onto the ballot.
04:07:09.92	Jacqueline Amaricus	Thank you.
04:07:09.97	Jacqueline Amaricus	And the other way is by gathering signatures and putting them on the ballot. So either way,
04:07:16.33	Jacqueline Amaricus	The public does have a voice.
04:07:20.72	Jacqueline Amaricus	Council, I don't... Council is at no risk as far as deciding whether they're wanting...
04:07:28.93	Jacqueline Amaricus	Thank you.
04:07:30.60	Jacqueline Amaricus	Um,
04:07:32.26	Jacqueline Amaricus	And everyone seems to think that there's an issue with
04:07:35.94	Jacqueline Amaricus	the public not having a say.
04:07:39.18	Jacqueline Amaricus	This will be put to a vote if the council people approve so.
04:07:46.25	Jacqueline Amaricus	getting signatures, you put it to a ballot.
04:07:51.88	Jacqueline Amaricus	There's two ways of doing this.
04:07:55.39	Jacqueline Amaricus	And...
04:07:56.84	Jacqueline Amaricus	I feel that the council should put this on a ballot.
04:08:01.35	Jacqueline Amaricus	to attract businesses
04:08:04.07	Jacqueline Amaricus	Timoring, sir.
04:08:05.74	Jacqueline Amaricus	I happen to be a professional.
04:08:08.39	Jacqueline Amaricus	I'm going to be
04:08:09.18	Jacqueline Amaricus	Shut up.
04:08:10.58	Jacqueline Amaricus	I.
04:08:11.34	Jacqueline Amaricus	that I don't have to leave.
04:08:14.12	Jacqueline Amaricus	throughout the verbiage.
04:08:16.08	Jacqueline Amaricus	But I don't have to vacate and find you on the first...
04:08:20.23	Jacqueline Amaricus	getting a job or anything like that.
04:08:23.10	Jacqueline Amaricus	I think that there's been a lot of missing from the machine
04:08:26.26	Jacqueline Amaricus	put out into the public.
04:08:27.96	Jacqueline Amaricus	by certain stakeholders who want to develop their empty office buildings
04:08:33.97	Jacqueline Amaricus	and with the guise of the housing element.
04:08:37.16	Jacqueline Amaricus	in order to
04:08:39.37	Jacqueline Amaricus	to end.
04:08:40.20	Jacqueline Amaricus	Thank you very much for your time.
04:08:42.98	Mayor Sobieski	Adrian Brinton followed by Curtis Havill.
04:08:47.67	Adrian Brenton	Thank you.
04:08:48.79	Adrian Brenton	Adrian Brenton, I'm a South Slater resident. I sent in an email with a pretty detailed discussion about the economics of this. So I'm not going to speak to that, but I do want to speak a bit to the process. You know, we're talking about moving this out and, you know, taking it off the agenda tonight.
04:09:03.38	Adrian Brenton	you know, why there was a request, why is it being moved? I think that's kind of emblematic of the lack of transparency that we've seen
04:09:09.93	Adrian Brenton	with this process, you know, this process is broken. It's a winner take all, all or nothing, high stakes thing that we're doing here. Put it on the ballot, vote it up, vote it down. There's no other choice, right?
04:09:24.59	Adrian Brenton	This isn't the way we should be doing zoning. You know, you guys talked about all of the meetings that we had to get to this point in the zoning. There's a ton of different interests in the Marin ship. This is representing one slice of those interests. We need to represent all of the interests. You know, this is driving a huge wedge into the community, right? There's a big wedge in the middle of the Marin ship and it's being hammered in by this issue. And it's really, really sad to see.
04:09:46.95	Adrian Brenton	Put this, if it's got to go to a vote, put it out to the signatures. That's the first step in finding out if there's actually public support for this. Making people get up here and do this, it's intimidating. Like, it's taken me like 10 times up here talking to you like this to start to feel a little bit comfortable with it. You know, you're not going to get a ton of public input by doing it this way. You do through the meetings. So I certainly hope that we do that. Thank you very much.
04:10:13.84	Mayor Sobieski	Curtis Havel.
04:10:18.70	Curtis Havill	Good evening.
04:10:19.47	Curtis Havill	My name is Curtis Havill. I'm a harbormaster down at Clipper Yacht Harbor. Prior to being a harbormaster, I was a land use professional with the Marin County Community Development Agency for nearly 20 years. I worked as a public servant for so many years because I believe in the process and I was proud of what we did there.
04:10:36.03	Curtis Havill	I took pride in the fact that my colleagues and I were responsible for administering a process that was transparent, objective and driven by community input.
04:10:44.36	Curtis Havill	I thought it was interesting tonight how staff didn't have any kind of a presentation because they hadn't been involved in this process. And it is not a city sponsored initiative at this point.
04:10:54.17	Curtis Havill	problem with this initiative that the blue economy innovation,
04:10:58.91	Curtis Havill	initiative is that it hasn't been vetted through that process. If the city is going to embrace this and forward it as a city sponsored process, there needs to be an agenda, there needs to be meetings, there needs to be an opportunity for the community to have meaningful input on this.
04:11:15.73	Curtis Havill	We only found out about this five days ago. So there's, there's been no opportunity. We had no part, the folks at Clipper Yacht Harbor and the businesses that we have at Clipper Yacht Harbor had no part of
04:11:27.73	Curtis Havill	providing information and input to the document that came before you in the staff report or along with the staff report.
04:11:37.30	Curtis Havill	What we're looking for is we want a seat at the table. We want to have input. I think that the businesses along the waterfront would have valuable input with this. Back in 2010, there was the Waterfront and Marinship Steering Committee that created a document that the mayor at the time said, this won't be put on the shelf, and yet it's on the shelf. Perhaps we could dust that off and use that as a starting point for this community conversation that really needs to occur and really should include the entirety of the waterfront
04:12:06.86	Curtis Havill	and not just a limited portion of it.
04:12:10.71	Curtis Havill	Finally, I think that I totally agree with the Council Member Kelman's earlier comments about democracy. There's hope, there's despair, there's balance. This is democracy. So
04:12:23.49	Mayor Sobieski	Craig Merrilees, followed by Mark Wolfe.
04:12:33.09	Craig Merrilees	I was going to think.
04:12:35.79	Craig Merrilees	Hello.
04:12:36.02	Unknown	Hello.
04:12:37.34	Unknown	Just speaking to the microphone. It's a little weak. You got to maybe just, sorry, you have to lean over or pick. How sad is it? Yeah. I got a certain kind of into it. Sorry. Sorry.
04:12:38.22	Craig Merrilees	The mic on?
04:12:45.95	Craig Merrilees	So I was going to thank you for the warm reception, Mr. Mayor, but I had to revise that.
04:12:51.08	Unknown	Thank you.
04:12:51.09	Andrew Junius	Exactly.
04:12:54.05	Craig Merrilees	I am proud to be here with volunteers and supporters for the Working Waterfront Coalition. And along with the letters that were carefully written, thoughtfully written by architects, political leaders in the area, you know, we're behind this. We also want to acknowledge and welcome that there are other groups that hold different views. And part of our process being here tonight is hear what's being said.
04:13:24.12	Craig Merrilees	We've heard from people who wanted us to first gather signatures and we're prepared to talk about that. Our attorney will have more on that in a minute. We're also here to gather feedback, specific suggestions, including taking responsibility for a couple of typos that found their way into the document, but those have been corrected. And we've also been getting important feedback from
04:13:54.16	Craig Merrilees	owners and operators in the working waterfront. The problem is real. And the successful maritime and businesses, along with artists in the studios, are slowly being squeezed out or give up searching for affordable housing, excuse me, for affordable office space. Housing too, for that matter. And having attended most of the housing advisory committees I can say that's a fact um
04:14:25.09	Craig Merrilees	Thank you.
04:14:25.68	Craig Merrilees	We will continue to work on this. We'll do our best to be open. I realize people are concerned about not gathering those signatures. But there are two equally valid ways to do this, and we chose one of them.
04:14:47.84	Craig Merrilees	That's what we did. Thank you. Mark Wolf.
04:14:56.69	Mark Wolf	Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. I'm Mark Wolf, and I am the attorney that I would say co-wrote, co-drafted the measure. It was a collaborative process.
04:15:06.15	Mark Wolf	I personally don't live in Sausalito. I kind of wish I did.
04:15:09.98	Mark Wolf	I live in San Francisco, so I really don't have standing to get into the merits of the measure based on what I've seen in your general plan.
04:15:19.12	Mark Wolf	It really accomplishes a locking in of policies that have been declared forcefully, repeatedly, unequivocally.
04:15:27.54	Mark Wolf	not only in this iteration of the plan, but in the prior iteration, as well as in the Marineship specific plan.
04:15:32.47	Mark Wolf	But I will leave that up to...
04:15:35.44	Mark Wolf	others to debate whether it's good for the city or not. What I do want to say is, yes, there are two ways of doing this. One is you gather signatures. One is you present something that you would like to be enacted or put onto the ballot by the council in a form and see if you can persuade a majority of the council to do that.
04:15:53.77	Mark Wolf	The one thing that I think is missing from this discussion currently is
04:15:57.60	Mark Wolf	is as you've heard, if signatures are gathered,
04:16:01.02	Mark Wolf	And they qualify. There's enough of them.
04:16:03.33	Mark Wolf	It's presented to you and you have two choices.
04:16:06.14	Mark Wolf	You can send it to the ballot, which is what we're asking you to do, or you can adopt it outright.
04:16:10.47	Mark Wolf	You don't have to send it to the ballot. And in my experience doing this for a living,
04:16:15.23	Mark Wolf	It is increasingly common.
04:16:18.13	Mark Wolf	that people gather signatures, which is very easy to do. There's,
04:16:21.44	Mark Wolf	professional signature firms that
04:16:23.53	Mark Wolf	get paid to do this.
04:16:25.00	Mark Wolf	They present it to a council and the council adopts it outright.
04:16:29.34	Mark Wolf	without a vote of the people. I am not suggesting that this council that's currently constituted would do that.
04:16:35.58	Mark Wolf	I am saying that happens very, very frequently. What we are doing is,
04:16:40.34	Mark Wolf	is ensuring that there will be a vote of the people. And this is, I think, four months from now. And in that four-month period, there can be robust debates
04:16:49.20	Mark Wolf	There can be op-eds, there can be
04:16:51.02	Mark Wolf	ballot arguments in the pamphlets that people receive in the mail. There can be public forums. There can be a thorough vetting.
04:16:58.13	Mark Wolf	And so that is what we are asking people to do here.
04:17:00.46	Mayor Sobieski	John DeRay.
04:17:09.62	John DeRay	Thank you. My name is John DeRay. I'm with the Working Waterfront Coalition.
04:17:15.04	John DeRay	At the Working Waterfront Coalition, our experience is that the marineship is at risk. Noncompliant, nonconforming uses have driven up lease rates in the marineship.
04:17:24.57	John DeRay	and conversion of industrial space to office has been rampant. Sausalito Industrial...
04:17:30.21	John DeRay	Lease rate is double the average for Marin.
04:17:34.02	John DeRay	The Working Waterfront Coalition gets inquiries from companies about looking for space. We connect them with landlords.
04:17:40.05	John DeRay	but mostly they cannot afford the spaces.
04:17:42.46	John DeRay	And there are spaces available.
04:17:44.53	John DeRay	Some
04:17:45.73	John DeRay	purposely left vacant as part of a rezoning strategy.
04:17:48.95	John DeRay	The intent of the ballot measure is to foster and grow what remains of the industrial maritime and art activities
04:17:55.96	John DeRay	By working within the marineship vision established by the general plan,
04:18:01.73	John DeRay	three and a half years.
04:18:03.62	John DeRay	two meetings per month passed in 2022. Tremendous amount of public input.
04:18:10.32	John DeRay	Many of the people in this room were not at one of those meetings.
04:18:14.62	John DeRay	I was on the general plan advisory committee.
04:18:18.15	John DeRay	Our approach was to codify the general plan
04:18:22.64	John DeRay	Uh,
04:18:23.58	John DeRay	essential to maintaining working waterfront that can accommodate a new
04:18:27.92	John DeRay	ocean-based.
04:18:29.30	John DeRay	Blue Economy Zone.
04:18:31.46	John DeRay	which was also presented in the general plan process.
04:18:35.09	John DeRay	The measure does not cover approximately 18 acres of Northern Marinship along Bridgeway. They can be rezoned to a mixed use commercial
04:18:43.36	John DeRay	zone that
04:18:44.44	John DeRay	can accommodate any kind of use.
04:18:46.58	John DeRay	All current uses in the marineship, including nonconforming, can remain even when a new business occupies a space.
04:18:52.94	John DeRay	These legacy businesses remain.
04:18:55.58	John DeRay	And also the new mixed-use district, depending on the city's zoning, will be open to all the ancillary uses.
04:19:02.45	John DeRay	We look forward to
04:19:04.83	John DeRay	Seeing this go to the voters, please move forward and let the voters decide. Thank you.
04:19:11.84	Mayor Sobieski	Sharna Brockett.
04:19:20.72	Sharna Brockett	I'm sure to bracket and I'm a 12 year resident. I just really wanna employ you to not bring this initiative back to the city council in July, when many people are on vacation. Plus 45 days is really not sufficient to create a master plan and actually do the proper land use.
04:19:40.40	Sharna Brockett	to have the proper land use practices put in place for the future of this very important, valuable, historic and vibrant waterfront.
04:19:47.38	Sharna Brockett	There needs to be a meaningful working group.
04:19:50.27	Sharna Brockett	put together with the major stakeholders, many in this room who were not included, to help define what we are going to do with the marineship.
04:19:58.69	Sharna Brockett	We want
04:20:00.55	Sharna Brockett	you know, we want to define, sorry, I'm trying to talk here. We want a viable plan that works for all of the marineship and not just a few. So I just really wanna highlight that. And then I also wanna highlight, I went through all the letters, and I think there's some confusion among some of the businesses who signed on to support this initiative. For example, there's a skincare manufacturer who has a letter in support of the initiative,
04:20:25.91	Sharna Brockett	And the letter talks about how the MIRN ship has enabled the company's operation to innovate and grow.
04:20:32.44	Sharna Brockett	But unfortunately, this initiative doesn't include skin care manufacturers. It's only for maritime manufacturers. So this would become a legal nonconforming use, which would mean that it would be very hard for them to expand their operations or to modify their space. It would also be very hard to sell this business because nobody wants to purchase a legal nonconforming business or for them to get loans and insurance. So, so much for innovating and growing. And I don't think this person knew that. And there's another one, an entrepreneur who makes bags out of old sale cloth. The same thing. This would not be a permitted use for future entrepreneurs like her. There's an auto repair shop also sending us a letter of support. Didn't know that, no, you wouldn't be included in this. Sure, you could stay. You'd be grandfathered in, but you'd still be this legal nonconforming. Anyways, you get the idea. So we really need to take this back to the drawing board. Thank you.
04:21:26.05	Mayor Sobieski	Alice Merrill, then followed by Carly Tilburg.
04:21:35.94	Alice Merrill	Hello, everybody. I'm going to start by saying that the fact that the marineship specific plan is no longer
04:21:45.46	Alice Merrill	part of the general plan is what worries me. Why did that get written off? Because in the way I see it, it's because the landowners, a lot of them,
04:21:58.35	Alice Merrill	don't want it. They don't want those restrictions.
04:22:03.01	Alice Merrill	And if we had kept
04:22:05.56	Alice Merrill	We, as a city, had managed to keep the marineship-specific plan, which was in place for 30-plus years. However, it was not abided by. Lots and lots of things have been in that shouldn't have been there for that. So we had a problem.
04:22:24.71	Alice Merrill	Because that was a good thing, and it's the only reason that we have a good, strong group and economy down there, because it was left alone. And...
04:22:35.73	Alice Merrill	Some of the landowners, one person said to me, I don't like, it's not very pretty. I said, well, the landowner cut down all the trees. They wanted it to be not very pretty. You know, so you would say, well, let's do something else with it. The RBMA started by my father. This, he would 100% be behind this. And the RBMA would be great to be involved in this.
04:23:06.19	Alice Merrill	That would be great.
04:23:08.72	Alice Merrill	I think that we need to work together. It's true. I think that there are people that's bringing up subjects for people who didn't really haven't talked to each other. I talked to some people tonight that I didn't before. And I think that that's good. I do recommend that we have some counselors and mediators, people who can keep the conversations going. And I also would love it if we would take some of those things off the shelf that have been done before. Thank you.
04:23:41.39	Mayor Sobieski	Riley Tobberg, then followed by Lorraine Gurnard.
04:23:54.77	Riley Tobberg	Hey everybody, your local evil developer here. Nice to see y'all.
04:24:00.42	Riley Tobberg	empty buildings abound.
04:24:02.16	Riley Tobberg	Um,
04:24:04.37	Riley Tobberg	I was sort of thinking about what to say tonight, and I was reading this book by this guy that lived on –
04:24:12.86	Riley Tobberg	on Varta landing. Excuse me. Jeez. Got a frog in my throat. Um,
04:24:12.93	Unknown	on Vardaland.
04:24:13.86	Unknown	Peace.
04:24:16.96	Riley Tobberg	And his name was Alan Watts and he was a Zen guy. And he had this great story about a monk who was, you know, in his monastery in the middle of winter and it was too noisy and he wanted to go meditate. So he rode out to the middle of a lake.
04:24:30.73	Riley Tobberg	And he sat there and he was just about to attain enlightenment
04:24:34.38	Riley Tobberg	when this boat comes along and hits him.
04:24:36.86	Riley Tobberg	And he turns around, he's pissed off, he's ready to yell at the captain of the boat that hit him. And he realizes it was just the wind that had blown the boat into him. And I think we're all at a point where we're in various stages of that same journey, whether we're,
04:24:55.08	Riley Tobberg	turning around and looking for that that imaginary captain that wronged us, whether we're realizing the anger is from within or
04:25:04.33	Riley Tobberg	or whether we're thinking about all the events that had to take place to blow that boat into us, we're here. And the question is, how are we gonna move forward?
04:25:14.22	Riley Tobberg	For me, you know, there's lots of things to talk about that are specific to the initiative. There's lots of facts we could talk about, but at, at the end of the day.
04:25:26.00	Riley Tobberg	you know, this is something that we're not going to solve in 45 days. This is something that we're going to solve with a collaborative effort with everyone together sitting down in a room, hopefully getting some some beer and Cheetos and and making it work. So, you know, I'm here for that. And I hope other folks are. Thanks very much. Don't move this forward.
04:25:49.54	Mayor Sobieski	Doreen Gunard then followed by Rupert Hansen.
04:26:00.86	Doreen Gunnar	Hello, I'm Doreen Gunnar. I am a 30 year resident.
04:26:05.47	Doreen Gunnar	At Galley Harbor, the beginning of the Marin ship, actually, the southernmost point of the Marin ship. I've been living there, raised my children, and continued to reside there on my boat, my sailboat.
04:26:21.36	Doreen Gunnar	I think that the,
04:26:22.90	Doreen Gunnar	The problem with this measure
04:26:25.25	Doreen Gunnar	is that it is a measure.
04:26:26.68	Doreen Gunnar	And we're talking about land use.
04:26:28.81	Doreen Gunnar	And land use is so complicated and has so many
04:26:33.60	Doreen Gunnar	ways that it could, the unintended consequences are all in there.
04:26:40.92	Doreen Gunnar	As I was reading this thing, I kept saying, oh, well, what about if this happens? And what about if that happens? It just felt really.
04:26:47.66	Doreen Gunnar	it's kind of a clunky way to do
04:26:50.07	Doreen Gunnar	to make land use decisions, I think, is through a measure. I don't think that it's appropriate.
04:26:57.86	Doreen Gunnar	This is going to take a real collaborative effort in our town to resolve this. And I...
04:27:04.53	Doreen Gunnar	I have a real problem with a measure because you can't, you guys can't amend the measure. Once, if it gets passed, you're stuck with it. You guys had the same conversation when we were talking about the, the cannabis issues last go around when these measures popped up. And I heard you all.
04:27:22.69	Doreen Gunnar	come to the conclusion that it was really a difficult thing to do because there's nothing you can do to it if it gets passed.
04:27:30.60	Doreen Gunnar	So,
04:27:31.36	Doreen Gunnar	Those are the kinds of things that I think that we need to think about. You got to think a little harder.
04:27:36.81	Doreen Gunnar	This feels like a little bit of an Enron.
04:27:39.31	Doreen Gunnar	without including all the stakeholders.
04:27:42.57	Doreen Gunnar	And that is an impossible position going forward. I just don't think you're going to be able to, you know, for this to resolve itself in a good way where we all can be there together and feel like, okay, we worked it out. I think that is possible, but not with this measure.
04:27:59.05	Doreen Gunnar	Thank you.
04:28:01.97	Mayor Sobieski	Rupert Hanson followed by Lee Hunt.
04:28:13.58	Rupert Hanson	I'm Rupert Hanson. I'm with Cox Wooten and I represent Silver Seas Yachts.
04:28:21.43	Rupert Hanson	The president of Silver Seas learned about this measure 48 hours ago. Silver Seas is one of the largest yacht brokers in this area in Marinship. They are the primary tenant out of Clipper Yacht. They are the largest or one of the largest people groups that is working with KKMI and many other stakeholders.
04:28:58.30	Rupert Hanson	And they
04:29:03.18	Rupert Hanson	they were not aware of this at all. The measure says that yacht brokers aren't necessary to be by the water. Well, I've been a maritime lawyer for 44 years.
04:29:17.51	Rupert Hanson	And every yacht broker except one has been by the water. And I mean, I represented both for and against yacht brokers. And they're by the water.
04:29:37.52	Rupert Hanson	if this
04:29:41.65	Rupert Hanson	passes.
04:29:43.43	Rupert Hanson	in its form that it currently is.
04:29:47.78	Rupert Hanson	it is going to displace the entire network because it's not just the yacht brokers or the KKMI.
04:29:57.15	Rupert Hanson	It's the whole network
04:30:02.31	Rupert Hanson	of companies that are involved in maritime. And this idea that you
04:30:09.23	Rupert Hanson	have to have some direct involvement with the water
04:30:13.18	Rupert Hanson	To be maritime is nonsense.
04:30:15.73	Rupert Hanson	Thank you.
04:30:18.69	Rupert Hanson	And Leehan?
04:30:19.57	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
04:30:28.87	Lee Hunt	Good evening.
04:30:31.43	Lee Hunt	I represent Modern Sailing School and Club.
04:30:35.81	Lee Hunt	Modern brings about a thousand people
04:30:39.38	Lee Hunt	to the waterfront every year to do sailing lessons and rent boats.
04:30:45.69	Lee Hunt	And we're a really good example of
04:30:48.97	Lee Hunt	A maritime...
04:30:50.54	Lee Hunt	ecosystem business
04:30:52.72	Lee Hunt	I take my boats to Lisp Marine to get serviced. I bring my boats to Spalding to get hauled out, bottom painted. So the people who are spending money at my business help Spalding.
04:31:10.42	Lee Hunt	help Lisp Marine, help the ecosystem.
04:31:15.04	Lee Hunt	And...
04:31:16.19	Lee Hunt	The people who spend money at my business, my business, Aide Spalding,
04:31:20.83	Lee Hunt	My business is aided.
04:31:23.09	Lee Hunt	by fish, by Le Garage, by all of the other things that make Sausalito's waterfront interesting and fun.
04:31:33.70	Lee Hunt	And
04:31:34.83	Lee Hunt	I believe that's the ecosystem that we need to be aspiring to.
04:31:39.48	Lee Hunt	And I'm asking you
04:31:41.70	Lee Hunt	Tonight...
04:31:42.92	Lee Hunt	not to legislate
04:31:45.50	Lee Hunt	restriction.
04:31:46.68	Lee Hunt	not to legislate exclusion. Let's
04:31:50.97	Lee Hunt	empower the community to build a better ecosystem. And this initiative is not the way to do it.
04:31:60.00	Lee Hunt	Thank you.
04:32:03.15	Mayor Sobieski	Okay, and then on Zoom we have Gabe Turner.
04:32:09.58	Gabe Turner	Hi there.
04:32:11.20	Gabe Turner	Can you hear me?
04:32:12.72	Gabe Turner	Thank you.
04:32:12.74	Mayor Sobieski	you know,
04:32:12.79	Gabe Turner	Yeah.
04:32:12.94	Gabe Turner	Can you hear me? Sorry about that.
04:32:15.54	Gabe Turner	Wilfred, can you hear me?
04:32:16.75	Mayor Sobieski	Yeah, we can hear you.
04:32:17.93	Gabe Turner	Okay, great.
04:32:18.81	Gabe Turner	Hey, guys. Gabe Turner here. I'm one of the co-owners of Township.
04:32:22.07	Gabe Turner	which I think many of the council members have been to and visited our members. We're a neighborhood clubhouse.
04:32:27.35	Gabe Turner	We have been kind of a haven for a lot of the folks who've been working from home before this, during the pandemic, what have you, and now have a community center to go to get work done, socialize, meet their neighbors. And frankly, the blue economy that we speak of in this initiative,
04:32:44.50	Gabe Turner	Really, those companies are going to solve our climate change problems, are going to be the next great sort of blue economy business, are likely going to be created in places like Township. And I know many of these entrepreneurs. I know an ocean tech accelerator. I was down in San Mateo, built something called Draper Hero City, which was another accelerator of these types of ocean tech businesses that this very measure speaks of. And these type of people meet at places like Township. And guess what? Township would not be able to exist in the Marineship if this passes.
04:33:16.13	Gabe Turner	And so this concerns me, much like the gentleman from Modern Sailing was saying, we're trying to create an ecosystem. And these future founders, these future ocean businesses will want to be in a place that has a diverse offering, that has restaurants, that has recreation, that has marine-based businesses and industrial businesses. And it's got to exist within that very ecosystem he spoke of. And so I really hope you take that into account that we, if we really want this place to thrive going forward and we want these industrial businesses to exist, they've got to really encompass a whole bunch of businesses and a whole bunch of folks that want to live and create businesses in this thriving economy. And so really encourage you to not pass this, not rush this through in 45 days. And anyways, hope to see you all at Township again soon.
04:34:05.16	Gabe Turner	Thank you.
04:34:09.81	Mayor Sobieski	All right. We do have some people in the audience. Peter Van Meter.
04:34:21.34	Peter Van Meter	Thank you. Yes, I did put in a slip to speak. There's really one issue that kind of overrides everything here. You've heard a lot of plus and minus discussion about the initiative itself.
04:34:31.50	Peter Van Meter	But the council should not be a party to putting any measure on a ballot.
04:34:37.02	Peter Van Meter	whether sponsored or
04:34:38.37	Peter Van Meter	When it comes back in after signatures and you have a choice of either going to an election
04:34:42.52	Peter Van Meter	We're adopting it.
04:34:43.82	Peter Van Meter	or most of all, creating a motion of your own.
04:34:48.61	Peter Van Meter	because then it becomes impossible to overturn. Basically, it becomes so difficult, costly,
04:34:54.92	Peter Van Meter	Thank you.
04:34:55.58	Peter Van Meter	get rid of an initiative. It has to go to a public vote. So like they say six times in the draft initiative,
04:35:02.06	Peter Van Meter	They want to have it go to a public vote. They specifically call out the fact that the council should not be able to make any modifications to this. You're living right now under the yoke of a couple of initiatives.
04:35:14.19	Peter Van Meter	10-22, 11-28.
04:35:16.62	Peter Van Meter	I mean, there's,
04:35:17.55	Peter Van Meter	been things that you would like to do, little tweaks. You know, we'd have 18 more parking spaces if we're able to go six feet into Gabrielsen Park.
04:35:25.15	Peter Van Meter	as an example, because you can't make little tweaks like that because it has to go to a vote. So you don't wanna lock this in forever. It's not the way to do land use planning.
04:35:35.08	Peter Van Meter	Doreen said it much better than I.
04:35:37.48	Peter Van Meter	She was very eloquent, but do not take any action on this.
04:35:43.28	Peter Van Meter	Ever.
04:35:45.23	Peter Van Meter	It's that simple.
04:35:47.88	Peter Van Meter	Let them get the signatures.
04:35:49.55	Peter Van Meter	Let them go take it out to a vote.
04:35:52.77	Peter Van Meter	That's what the initiative process is all about.
04:35:54.85	Peter Van Meter	Don't take any action at all.
04:35:58.03	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
04:36:00.82	Mayor Sobieski	Lauren DeRammer?
04:36:12.72	Lauren Dreamer	My name is Lauren Dreamer. I won't go too into who I am. You guys mostly know me. I already sent a letter. Everybody knows how I feel about the waterfront. I've lived in Saussee my whole life and I've worked in Maritime as well as restaurant hospitality across town.
04:36:28.02	Lauren Dreamer	Thank you.
04:36:28.07	Lauren Dreamer	And one thing that is just maddening to me is that this had to come from the Working Waterfront Coalition.
04:36:34.67	Lauren Dreamer	living here my whole life, I'm constantly frustrated that this isn't coming from city council. This isn't coming from
04:36:40.90	Lauren Dreamer	local community and quite frankly the one thing that nobody's said so far that i do
04:36:45.23	Lauren Dreamer	You know, I've volunteered in some capacities. I did not work on this initiative, but I've volunteered in some capacities for the Working Waterfront as a professional mariner, and they put it together. And quite frankly, I do think this type of thing, regardless of what happens tonight,
04:36:58.36	Lauren Dreamer	is a step in the right direction because I don't know who's coming after you.
04:37:02.78	Lauren Dreamer	And quite frankly, I'm really sick and tired of talking about zoning. I swear to God, if somebody mentioned zoning again, I'm going to beat my head against the wall. Because I feel like we can do a lot with marinship with what the zoning currently is. And I think instead of talking about defending it and saving it or...
04:37:19.37	Lauren Dreamer	defending it or, you know, developing it, we should be talking about fixing it. We should be talking about how can we invest in it? How can we feed the lifeblood of our town and focus on maritime, which is the heart of
04:37:32.18	Lauren Dreamer	you know, the houseboats and art and everything else that makes our town great. And
04:37:38.26	Lauren Dreamer	The other thing that I think that
04:37:40.55	Lauren Dreamer	is really important is that we,
04:37:42.46	Lauren Dreamer	Trust each other. I think trust is a huge thing. I have a lot of people that even agree are working in silos.
04:37:47.74	Lauren Dreamer	And I think that anybody here who has a problem with this
04:37:50.72	Lauren Dreamer	needs to get involved in the working waterfront. People at the working waterfront need to meet with other people. I think all of us need to be talking a lot more than just city council meetings.
04:37:59.79	Lauren Dreamer	And I'm talking about all the businesses too. You know, I think we're really busy in the summertime. And I think there's a lot of people that want to be involved at Campy. And we need to have another platform for that.
04:38:08.34	Lauren Dreamer	So thank you.
04:38:10.92	Mayor Sobieski	William Foss.
04:38:21.81	William Foss	Hello there. So I'm William Bill Foss. I'm a half owner of Fish Restaurant, also known as Caruso's LLC for those around long enough to remember Caruso's.
04:38:33.05	William Foss	Rather than talk about how this affects our restaurant, I wanted to defend the people that aren't in the room. When we opened the restaurant, there were 12 commercial fishing boats in Clipper. There are now four.
04:38:47.02	William Foss	Climate change has caused domoic acid uprising in the ocean, shutting down the crapping season for these guys, which is economic disaster for them. The issue of water and hydroelectric damming of rivers has now created a second year of salmon closures. So our most noble working waterfront is the fishermen.
04:39:09.95	William Foss	and we are silently ignoring them and letting them die.
04:39:13.77	William Foss	in a land of over-regulation and they're being forced to, they just can't survive.
04:39:19.66	William Foss	So they were not consulted at all in this event, in this, this.
04:39:25.19	William Foss	this document we're discussing right now, nor were we as a restaurant.
04:39:28.70	William Foss	We proudly support and buy from them.
04:39:31.33	William Foss	You know, in a fantasy land, it would be lovely to have an open air fish market down there where they could actually sell directly to consumers.
04:39:38.51	William Foss	But if we're talking about the working waterfront,
04:39:41.38	William Foss	Guys, we got to remember the fishermen because they work harder than anyone.
04:39:44.95	William Foss	And they are completely unrepresented here.
04:39:48.06	William Foss	Thank you.
04:39:50.22	Mayor Sobieski	John Coletti.
04:40:00.76	John Coletti	Good evening, and I appreciate everybody's good suggestions and comments. This is a good discussion. I think this is what our community needs to have more conversations.
04:40:09.83	John Coletti	due to the lack of direction given
04:40:12.80	John Coletti	for the Marine.
04:40:14.77	John Coletti	Rinship.
04:40:16.12	John Coletti	I think that's something that's been done. I was a little disappointed at the petty politics that the council members were playing early on. And so I think the community should be a little bit more representative
04:40:26.51	John Coletti	of the professionalism that we all want to have.
04:40:29.65	John Coletti	But I think the
04:40:32.05	John Coletti	Discussion on the Marin ship is something that we need to do.
04:40:35.90	John Coletti	thoroughly and it needs to be done. I think the comments tonight showed that there isn't a direction to have, so we have to make our own. I think this is a very good step. The Working Waterfront Coalition did to get a good start. I think there's a lot more that can be done to make that one a much better program. So I urge the direction to modify the initiative and maybe present it further for this election or for a coming election.
04:40:52.72	Katie Thau Garcia	So.
04:41:03.91	John Coletti	Thank you.
04:41:08.77	Mayor Sobieski	And on Zoom, we have Sammy.
04:41:18.56	Sammy	Can everybody hear me?
04:41:20.21	Unknown	Yes, we can. Please go right ahead.
04:41:22.57	Sammy	So it wasn't that long ago that I was studying economics and a diverse economy is a healthy economy. In Sausalito's case, we have a valuable, historic, vibrant, and could be internationally renowned for being a blue economy and supporting our current businesses that we have, as well as inviting additional businesses. We have the current resources, smart, disciplined people. This would require minimal risk with maximum returns for the city. We would keep and improve our business district, lower our financial deficit,
04:41:58.57	Sammy	and take advantage of our assets.
04:42:01.39	Sammy	This would be providing important tax dollars and a diverse economy.
04:42:06.28	Sammy	I read the San Francisco Chronicle article recently, and it was obvious that whoever spoon-fed the author is not thinking clearly about Sausalito's potential revenue streams. This could be come from supporting businesses.
04:42:21.23	Sammy	Sausalito is unique, not like other Marin towns or other shore towns, and we should not thrive to be the other towns, we should keep thriving to be unique. I think what Alice Merrill and Lauren Dramer said was absolutely fantastic.
04:42:39.74	Sammy	The residents are incredible here. The business owners are amazing. We have generated numerous patents, incredible ideas and projects that we can rely on forever.
04:42:52.45	Sammy	Our unfair competitive advantage that Sausalito has is our ability to nurture our blue economy and our industrial district.
04:43:02.47	Sammy	Our planners and neighbors have the ability to make sound economic decisions. This should go to vote. Let's nurture the vitality of Sausalito and increase revenue to the city by fostering blue tech and blue economy businesses. There are plenty of businesses here already and let's increase that community to lower the city's deficit.
04:43:26.56	Mayor Sobieski	Darian Culligan?
04:43:35.78	Councilman McCullough	Hi there, Kieran Culligan, Salcedo resident.
04:43:38.65	Councilman McCullough	I got pretty excited actually when I saw something called Blue Economy Innovation. And I spent 20 years working in the field of innovation. I've worked for some of the most storied shipyards on the East Coast on innovation strategies. We didn't have buzzwords like Blue Economy back then, but that's exactly what it was. And today I actually work with a number of different projects, but two in particular that are focused.
04:44:08.67	Councilman McCullough	on the blue economy.
04:44:10.36	Councilman McCullough	Once public, one is still under wraps.
04:44:13.50	Councilman McCullough	In this time, I've seen many different levers for increasing innovation, allowing for new uses, economic incentives, new infrastructure, reduced bureaucracy, the list goes on. And innovation, it's increasingly multidisciplinary. So what's the difference between blue economy and robotics and computer science and computer fluid dynamic simulations, satellite imagery, like it all blurs. And startups pivot, they serve multiple markets. And I worry that the measure does nothing to embrace that if that's really what it's supposed to aim at. So to put it politely, I've never seen a measure like this that is designed to promote innovation. Legislative restriction, as someone called it.
04:44:55.62	Councilman McCullough	And I, you know, prove me wrong. Show me the financial models. Show me letters of intent, project plans. That's going to do that. But barring that, the vibes are off on the process and the content. Let's do this right. 45 days is not enough.
04:45:13.73	Mayor Sobieski	Okay, next speaker is Leo.
04:45:24.14	SPEAKER_25	Can you hear me?
04:45:25.47	SPEAKER_25	Yes.
04:45:26.64	SPEAKER_25	Well, great.
04:45:27.40	SPEAKER_25	Yeah, I just wanted to be pretty brief. And I'm a Sausalito resident and artist. And, you know, I think that having it outlined the two ways that any ballot initiative could be presented is great. I think it's very ironic that everyone who is afraid of the council kind of just putting this on without any say and wanting signatures when signatures is one of the easiest ways for the council to simply put on a measure without consulting the residents. I think having the
04:46:09.06	SPEAKER_25	The opportunity for all residents to have an actual vote and say on any initiative or any ballot is great. And I think that, you know, allow the people to have a chance to actually vote on something and not leave it up to five people.
04:46:27.67	SPEAKER_25	that are just sitting in front of everyone. So yeah, thank you for your time.
04:46:38.96	Mayor Sobieski	And Scott Thornburg.
04:46:43.97	Scott Thornburg	Good evening, counsel. I just, from an EDAC perspective, I just wanted to reiterate my comments that I put in our letter.
04:46:50.76	Scott Thornburg	We have not had an opportunity to weigh in. And though I applaud our members that are also members of the Working Waterfront for bringing this forward
04:46:59.40	Scott Thornburg	in an effort to support the Marineship, I do think we would love an opportunity to weigh in
04:47:04.33	Scott Thornburg	I think the rest of our Blue Economy Innovation Subcommittee
04:47:09.15	Scott Thornburg	would love an opportunity to weigh in.
04:47:11.58	Scott Thornburg	So just a flag that we would like to be part of that process.
04:47:17.49	Scott Thornburg	And then separately, I think it would be really great to see what the actual economic impact of this would be.
04:47:24.61	Scott Thornburg	And from my personal perspective,
04:47:28.09	Scott Thornburg	that piece is missing here. I don't think we have clarity yet. There were differing comments tonight on which types of businesses might be affected and which would not. That's concerning to me. I don't know that we're gonna be able to get consensus in the next 45 days. The one thing I will say though, I'm really encouraged
04:47:47.38	Scott Thornburg	by this showing of support tonight. I mean, we really kicked the hornet's nest here this evening and I think we have a really robust discussion happening involving a lot of different people. And I hope we will keep that going because I do believe we can come to
04:48:02.71	Scott Thornburg	consensus as a community. And I think that process is gonna take time
04:48:07.69	Scott Thornburg	But I hope that we would all be committed to doing that in a way that we can protect our waterfront
04:48:14.17	Scott Thornburg	And
04:48:15.17	Scott Thornburg	have a waterfront that is not just a working waterfront, but a waterfront that works for Sausalito.
04:48:20.28	Scott Thornburg	And I believe we can get to that as a community with the proper time
04:48:24.50	Scott Thornburg	to go through that process. So thank you for your attention to this tonight.
04:48:32.62	Mayor Sobieski	Okay.
04:48:32.94	Scott Thornburg	Sandra Bushmuth.
04:48:33.97	Mayor Sobieski	maker.
04:48:37.24	Sandra Bushmuth	Hi, everybody. I just wanted to comment on the idea of
04:48:41.69	Sandra Bushmuth	an initiative going to the voters.
04:48:44.19	Sandra Bushmuth	What better way to prove a democracy than to let the voters vote?
04:48:48.85	Sandra Bushmuth	And,
04:48:49.85	Sandra Bushmuth	Just keep in mind, everybody, that
04:48:52.19	Sandra Bushmuth	The city council has the authority to modify a general plan and believe me, I sat through all the general plan meetings and the housing element meetings myself.
04:49:01.52	Sandra Bushmuth	but they can modify.
04:49:03.13	Sandra Bushmuth	Without public hearing, excuse me, I misspoke.
04:49:06.67	Sandra Bushmuth	They can modify without public vote
04:49:09.00	Sandra Bushmuth	The general plan four times a year.
04:49:12.15	Sandra Bushmuth	So the notion of having an initiative that allows the people of Sausalito to make a land use decision to me is a great thing.
04:49:19.80	Sandra Bushmuth	And I hope we can come together
04:49:21.71	Sandra Bushmuth	on the details so that we can make that decision.
04:49:24.88	Sandra Bushmuth	as a populace, as a sign of democracy and not autocracy.
04:49:29.74	Sandra Bushmuth	Thank you.
04:49:36.67	Mayor Sobieski	Charles Melton.
04:49:42.94	Charles Meltzen	Charles Meltzen, I really appreciate the robust conversation tonight and the dialogue that this has created our community. It's great to see such vibrancy and people coming out in regards to this issue. I think we all agree that the ownership is a very vital, important part of our community and we need to get this done right. I agree, democracy is important. What better way to get voters to express their opinion? Through voting. But yet, our city council has a responsibility to make sure that initiatives and ballot measures that the city council is putting before voters are vetted, are examined, are evaluated, and have a robust public process. That is not what is occurring with this process here. This process is being shoehorned in by an independent group with an attorney from San Francisco with language borrowed from Morro Bay, California, to put this to city council and to ask for action to take place within 45 days. Democracy is slow. Democracy is painful.
04:50:47.03	Charles Meltzen	That's the process. And I know our city council's city counselors are the most thoughtful people in the room. Many of them have served as mayor. All of them have served as mayor at one point.
04:50:57.79	Charles Meltzen	During their time as mayor,
04:50:59.65	Charles Meltzen	Has any initiative, big initiative they've taken, taken less than 45 days? If it's a homeless encampment, if it's a tax measure to raise the TOT tax on hotels, if it's working on the marineship or putting in a ferry landing in downtown Sausalito, how many of those processes occurred within under 45 days? That expressed the critical nature of this. So yes, democracy is slow. Let's have the voters speak about it. But as a government, let's do our due diligence and make sure that what's being put before the voters is accurate, is factual, we can show the economic impact, and most of all, that everyone has a voice in what's going forward on that ballot. That is the role of our city council. Make sure everyone has a voice. And I'm asking for you not to rush that process and to do it with diligence. Thank you.
04:51:50.73	Mayor Sobieski	No further public comments.
04:51:52.96	Unknown	Okay, thank you. We will close public comment and bring it back up for discussion here on the dais. Maybe I'll start.
04:52:04.40	Unknown	Mm-hmm.
04:52:07.12	Unknown	I want to avoid rancor.
04:52:10.22	Unknown	When I first joined on the city council, I said, we need to start talking with each other.
04:52:14.79	Unknown	there was the issue of a housing overlay in the Marin ship. And when I, it was a hard vote, I voted for it and I got a bunch of text messages that I was in the developer's pocket. Okay.
04:52:23.85	Unknown	Thank you very much. Can you have it now? Thank you. It's like Verizon.
04:52:27.70	Unknown	So I said I went to a very blanker. When I first joined the city council, there was a issue of a housing overlay in the internship. And as soon as I voted for it, I got a bunch of text messages that I was in the developer's pocket. No one thing is, you know, it defines you. This is...
04:52:47.65	Unknown	I'm worried that the way this came about, and if it gets put on the, if the city council elects to put on the ballot, it will divide the community and actually prevent the kind of dialogue that we're talking about. Democracy is slow, slower than I like, but...
04:53:03.11	Unknown	We need that kind of dialogue. My friend, Lauren, I was really struck by your comments. And I just wanted to say, I think a lot of people missed that on May 23rd, 2023, the city council in this room
04:53:16.86	Unknown	Considered a proposal from Community Venture Partners. Community Venture Partners is a 501C3, non-profit charitable organization based in Mill Valley, supported by donations from individuals and non-profit foundations. CVP provides a broad range of free services, technical advice and other assistance to community groups and local initiatives. The stated mission is to bring the community's voice to government decision-making on issues about city planning and affordable housing.
04:53:45.50	Unknown	in early 2019.
04:53:47.52	Unknown	The Sausalito Working Waterfront Coalition requested their assistance to begin at three years of meetings and discussions with a variety of stakeholders and community groups about the future of Sausalito's friendship.
04:53:57.75	Unknown	In particular, they focused on the preservation of the marine ships maritime industries and assessment of affordable housing development opportunities and participated in the general plan discussion.
04:54:08.31	Unknown	At that meeting in May of 2023, we had the opportunity to hire for $25,000
04:54:15.40	Unknown	CVP to go and engage in a multi-phase approach where they would raise additional money from charitable,
04:54:23.26	Unknown	from many sources to conduct a five-phase operation. Phase one, public outreach. Phase two, due diligence and asset assessment. Phase three, conceptual planning and design. Phase four, design development and planning level engineering. And finally, phase five, final planning documents.
04:54:41.60	Unknown	This was exactly the process we're talking about.
04:54:44.41	Unknown	of outreach, collaboration, bringing people together, putting them in the same room.
04:54:49.30	Unknown	hashing out all the land use details. And this council chose not to do that by a narrow vote.
04:54:54.55	Unknown	I call on the council to do that or a version of it. It doesn't have to be with CBP, but someone said about getting everyone together with some good food and some wine in one room. The problem is that didn't happen. Obviously there are dozens of eight or 86 letters.
04:55:09.20	Unknown	saying in opposition to this 56 in favor. Interestingly, not a single one in opposition disagreed with the goals of the Working Waterfront Coalition, not a single one. And I agree with every single one of their goals.
04:55:22.98	Unknown	Spalding Boat Works is where I had my 50th birthday party. I love that place. I have two boats, I'm happy to say, a motorboat and a sailboat. I love the maritime. I grew up on the water.
04:55:34.83	Unknown	I love it.
04:55:35.86	Unknown	But I'm also a money guy, as some of you know. And I know that if you want to preserve an artisan activity like wooden boat building, you probably need to innovate in your economic model.
04:55:46.49	Unknown	And that's possible, but it requires a trade-off. It requires a quid pro quo, a deal, and we have tools to that. In government, we have a thing called a community development agreement.
04:55:55.30	Unknown	That's an actual agreement with a property owner that they would
04:55:58.20	Unknown	Do something for the community benefit in exchange for a benefit. It is a trade. It needs to be negotiated.
04:56:03.63	Unknown	and the Working Waterfront Coalition and other interested parties could be the legitimate, authentic counterparty to that negotiation with the property.
04:56:11.04	Unknown	They need to get in the same room.
04:56:12.54	Unknown	to do that.
04:56:13.94	Unknown	They need to have a forum to do that. They need a mediator to do that. Someone to first do a trust building exercise where everyone can see their favorite animal and learn to trust one another before they talk about these hard things. And that's the process that we could have done a year ago, kicked off with a credible character person who had brought an interesting set of support in the community.
04:56:42.51	Unknown	this process with this, uh,
04:56:45.40	Unknown	with this ballot initiative at the last second, runs completely counter to what one of my colleagues here on the council said about Measure K. Measure K, that's the ballot initiative that actually got 500 signatures.
04:56:56.98	Unknown	not how Sausalito does business. We don't cut corners or push efforts that try to avoid meaningful public input.
04:57:05.03	Unknown	This feels that way.
04:57:05.24	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
04:57:05.30	Charles Meltzen	feels that way.
04:57:05.58	Katie Thau Garcia	Yeah.
04:57:06.75	Unknown	I call, I would love to, I can announce it now. I don't know whether it would work to have a mayor's blue ribbon committee with two people from the Working Waterfront Coalition, the owner of Clipper, the owner of Schoonmaker, Reason Bradley, and nominees of a couple other people that can actually really care and love about the marinship to get together in that room. I'll supply the wine, we can get a facilitator and that discussion shouldn't cause the city anything.
04:57:36.04	Unknown	But I would actually, again, say that I'm in favor of absolutely not doing this, stopping this in its tracks, not rushing it in the next 45 days, but I am in favor of spending 25K or more on hiring the kind of cordial, meaningful facilitator to help bring the disparate parts of a community together with a plan that will actually save the partnership, not near-term, but for a hundred years.
04:58:00.53	Unknown	How do all the beautiful farmland up in Marin get saved?
04:58:04.51	Unknown	Is it because agriculture is the best in economic use of farmland? We know that's not the case. It's because of malt. It's because of malt, because of a quid pro quo deal. We could have a maritime land trust where property owners donate parts of their land in exchange for benefits. But here's the thing, they're not gonna donate their land if they don't win. We can't be, you know, we may not like it that some property owners are gonna win, but they're gonna win in this transaction if we want that. But we're gonna win too. The Marin ship is gonna win.
04:58:34.06	Unknown	You could set aside and endow Spalding Biltworks with a dowry that could help it last for a hundred years.
04:58:42.29	Unknown	that would preserve that area better than anything else. Ownership is the path to preservation, and that's a path that we can do.
04:58:51.24	Unknown	Sorry to be on my soapbox, but I actually want to say this because I want the community to come together instead of become a part. And this initiative will drive it apart. And I'm calling on people to come together in a framework to actually have a business plan.
04:59:03.94	Unknown	I love what Bob Silvestri presented a year ago to save the friendship for a hundred years.
04:59:16.94	Cox	I would like to, so I will share with you why I voted against Bob Silvestri. It was not because I was against urban planning. It was not because I was against the process. You mentioned that he worked with the working waterfront for three years. He then stopped and refused to further work with them because they had the temerity to reach out to meet with Carlo Berg.
04:59:42.33	Cox	without him.
04:59:43.94	Cox	And so I did not want to entrust the future of Sausalito's working waterfront with someone who's mercurial and lets personalities get in the way of process. And so that is why I voted against that. Also, he wanted to charge us $25,000 for work he had already performed, not for work he would prospectively perform. And so those are my personal reasons for voting against that. But I would absolutely like to see us engage in a multi-phased approach. I agree with Bruce Huff.
05:00:17.87	Cox	I have seen this be a ping pong ball, this issue be a ping pong ball for decades. I was appointed to the planning commission in 2008. The first question the city council asked me when interviewing me was, what are your views on the Marin ship?
05:00:37.62	Cox	I had to say,
05:00:39.19	Cox	The only thing I know about the marine ship is I volunteer at the Sausalito Art Festival there every year. I had lived here for 20 years and I didn't know anything about the controversy of the marine ship.
05:00:49.58	Cox	Um,
05:00:51.29	Cox	I am.
05:00:51.88	Cox	in 2012, four years later, I made a video, which you can still find online, about the importance of preserving the marine ship. But...
05:01:02.46	Cox	The various councils that I served on have differing views. This council adopted a housing element unanimously earlier this year.
05:01:12.51	Cox	And yet a couple of months ago, two council members started militating to change the housing element and add
05:01:19.79	Cox	housing in the marinship where we had voted not to. And so based on the composition of the city council, that's what determines the future of the marinship.
05:01:33.68	Cox	people have been calling me ever since this initiative was proposed and telling me I'm the swing vote, and I need to have the courage to act one way or the other.
05:01:44.39	Cox	It's not fair to put the future of the marineship on the shoulders of a single person.
05:01:49.07	Cox	It should be up to the people.
05:01:52.19	Cox	That being said, this measure, as currently written, is not the measure to bring to the people. That is why I'm in support of continuing this matter, whether it be to a meeting in July or whether it be to some future date.
05:02:05.89	Cox	um,
05:02:06.90	Cox	I hear what all of you have been saying about the importance of engagement and of...
05:02:16.13	Cox	stakeholder feedback. And I would never want us to adopt a measure that doesn't represent vetting. When I, as a council member in 2019 or 2018, adopted measures L and M that year, our BLT and our, and our TOT measures, we went out into the community. Those were city council sponsored measures that went onto the ballot and that were both adopted. But before we wrote them, and as part of writing them, we went out into the community and sought feedback. I went and spoke with business leaders about are they willing to accept an increase in the business license tax. I went to hoteliers and said are they willing to accept an increase in TOT. More of that work needs to be done for this measure. I don't know whether that can be accomplished in 30 days or not.
05:03:20.16	Cox	The reason I moved to continue this at the beginning of the meeting is that the proponents asked for a continuance to give them more time to address the significant community feedback that we've received. I would like to give them an opportunity to do that. I don't know whether we have the votes to do that tonight or not, but I just wanted to share my thoughts and perspective.
05:03:42.55	Cox	Thank you.
05:03:44.17	Kellerman	Thank you. Well said. My colleagues, you know, we are really lucky, fortunate council, because we somehow over the last year have managed to pick up so many issues that so many prior councils did not complete. And you can tell that this is a very friction-filled topic. Just by the way, the...
05:04:07.26	Kellerman	commentary began, right? There's just, you could feel that tension in the air.
05:04:12.62	Kellerman	And I, of course, echo the mayor's interest in being collaborative and open-minded as to this. It's fascinating to me because I sat here through a bid process, through a ferry landside process, through an SCA lease, and I heard all these arguments on the other side. And so it just seems that this is a community that feels strongly involved.
05:04:34.58	Kellerman	about the community and that's great.
05:04:36.67	Kellerman	This is exactly what democracy is about. This is exactly what we should be doing. My perspective on 45 years is actually much longer.
05:04:45.39	Kellerman	So if you'll just indulge me, in May 1989, we passed the Marinship Specific Plan.
05:04:52.92	Kellerman	In 2013, we had a Marinship Specific Plan steering committee. Many meetings went on the shelf.
05:04:59.08	Kellerman	In 2013, the Matthew Turner Kiel was set.
05:05:02.39	Kellerman	I include this in the timeline because the Matthew Turner would not have been built over the course of seven years had it not been for all of the individuals in the Marineship with those skills and those expertise. And that includes everybody in this room who participates in the Marineship, Reason Bradley and others who all came together, right? That type of unification.
05:05:20.46	Kellerman	In 2019, there was a general plan meeting where we included numerous policies that were intended to protect the ownership and that's in the land use. And I personally served on the general plan for three years and then served on a four person working group, working very, very hard. And why did I have to work so hard? Because in 2019, the city council at that time, which I was not a part, said that the marine ship specific plan will be superseded with the adoption of the city of South Seattle general plan update.
05:05:47.24	Kellerman	There was no public
05:05:48.61	Kellerman	voting on that. It didn't go to the voters. There was no CEQA on that particular decision. That council made that decision.
05:05:58.01	Kellerman	And so there's a history of this throughout.
05:06:02.43	Kellerman	At the end of the day, in 2023, we had a housing element that also talked about the marineship. We've been vetting these issues for a very long time. This is exactly the conversation that needs to happen. I think, Gwendolyn Dremor, you said it very well. We're not talking about saving the marineship. Let's talk about fixing it. Let's talk about investing in it. So many of our Clipper and KKMI and others are doing that. Let's talk about how that's working and what needs to be promoted and where we can make changes. Unfortunately, as a city, we do not enforce what we have down there right now. Many of you know a gentleman named Gary Testa. He had an incredible innovation. It was a coolant that reduced the, I think the energy consumption for servers by 40%. He had just raised a bunch of money. He was doing great. He was over off of Gate 5 Road. And then one day he gets a call, he's being evicted.
05:06:52.76	Kellerman	Somebody had come to him and offered three times rent that he was offering.
05:06:56.60	Kellerman	This was a steel, this was a three phase power, roll up doors, concrete floor, high ceilings, no bathroom, three times the amount. And what's there now? Something called the duct studio.
05:07:08.80	Kellerman	I believe it doesn't have a business license tax and it also doesn't look like sales tax off of it.
05:07:16.51	Kellerman	We haven't done our job. And so if you're wondering why we're here, it's because
05:07:21.38	Kellerman	All of you are right.
05:07:23.29	Kellerman	It's a yes and, right? We have to have this conversation. So, you know, I was told, when I looked at the Ferry Landsat, I was told it will create tax dollars. It will drive traffic. I didn't see an economic study on that, right? So a lot of this has to do with believing in the community and believing in the town. And we did, and we passed it. I can't remember if it was 4-1 or 5-0, but I voted for it. And so at the end of the day, this is a town that has had to take measures like 1022, like 1128, and put land use on the ballot. In fact, we're going to have to do that and put land use on the ballot again because of what the housing element requires. So it's not so unusual to have land use on the ballot. Those of you familiar with the process understand that. I think that this is exactly the conversation that we need to be having in light of all the hard work we've been doing. Hopefully this will come to a head. I support the Vice Mayor's suggestion that we continue the dialogue so that we can have the outreach for folks who currently feel that this measure misses the mark and so we can hear more from more people both in this room and in the marineship community. So I really appreciate you all staying to the
05:08:27.52	Kellerman	the late hour, this is exactly, I think, the way to democracy, to quote, that McDougall should work.
05:08:36.36	Blaustein	Thank you. And thank you to everyone for your passion and how much you care about this issue. I have to say this is one of the times sitting on the dais where I am
05:08:47.26	Blaustein	really moved by our community and how much you all care, whether it's on one side or the other, about the future of our community and what it looks like. And I really appreciate how much thought and perspective was brought forward. It means a lot. I appreciate the timeline that you brought up and I was reflecting on my, and you also shared your marineship history journey story. So I remember when I was running for city council, because I grew up in the community and went to Saucy University School and my parents are in Mill Valley and I walked the waterfront. I didn't really understand anything about the history of what the marineship was. It was just like the waterfront. I didn't see it as a separate area. And I, in 2017, when I was getting involved in the general plan and running for council for the first time, I went to a meeting specifically about the marineship and the general plan. And it had a lot of people sitting in this room here and it was at the bay model. And I remember one marineship property owner, but like, you're probably in the room and you'll be like, it was me. I won't remember whom. But we started talking and the general plan consultants came into the room and they were like, we're having this conversation so that we can talk about what the future of the Marin ship looks like together and have a conversation. And this property owner got up and said, we have already done that so many times. I am so frustrated. I'm leaving and just left the meeting. It was not Bruce Hoff. I know what you're thinking, but it was not Bruce Hoffman.
05:10:13.07	Blaustein	from the
05:10:14.59	Blaustein	And I remember being really like, what is going on? Why is everyone so upset about this? And I think this meeting is another example of that. And I appreciate so much that we all want to work collaboratively to find the right future for the Marin ship, because yes, we need to protect the working waterfront. And yes, we need a waterfront that works for Sausalito. And those two things are not mutually exclusive. And I really believe that we can find.
05:10:40.14	Blaustein	a path forward based on what people are saying in the room. I mean, it's not the same, the same dialogue that might've been had in 1988 when the marineship specific plan was passed. And I will note as well that the marineship specific plan was a decision made by city council and not by a ballot measure. And we're all holding onto it so tightly, but it was a city council decision. It's even mentioned in the ballot measure itself as a city council decision, even though the ballot measure is arguing that,
05:11:05.60	Blaustein	Dr. Jennifer L. against city council decision making, so I think there's a lot I don't want to pick it apart my my issue with the ballot measure before us is that.
05:11:16.37	Blaustein	we need to have more conversation and that if we want to have a ballot measure, given the risk associated with it, I'm in favor of signature gathering. However, I don't want to stop the discussion here. And so I would love to see a blue ribbon committee formed as suggested by, by mayor Sobieski. And if this group wants to go forward and follow the democratic process of gathering signatures, and then it comes back before us then, and make those changes in the timely manner as suggested,
05:11:45.17	Blaustein	that's something that, you know, then we would see it in that way. But right now, from the dais, I think it makes the most sense for us to
05:11:53.48	Blaustein	create a conversation that is ongoing about what, how we can effectively use the waterfront, but I don't think that this ballot initiative as, as vice mayor Cox pointed out serves that purpose. We deserve to have a conversation with all of the stakeholders in the room. And I appreciate that all of the stakeholders are here and I cannot,
05:12:10.78	Blaustein	given the context of how this came to us, that we didn't have the conversation and the signatures weren't gathered, supported continuing in this measure. So I'm more supportive of Mayor Soboski's suggestion to have a blue ribbon panel to consider and continue this discussion.
05:12:20.24	McDougall	THE FAMILY IS THE FAMILY
05:12:20.28	Cox	So whiskey.
05:12:20.80	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
05:12:25.30	Blaustein	Can I just make a comment?
05:12:25.39	Cox	Thank you.
05:12:26.03	Cox	make one of the things that
05:12:26.30	Blaustein	one more.
05:12:26.74	Cox	Thank you.
05:12:27.01	Cox	IT.
05:12:27.41	Cox	I do want to address the gathering of signatures versus an initiative by the city council. When someone goes out and gathers signatures, they bring us something. We have no choice in what it says.
05:12:38.21	Cox	When we sponsor an initiative, we get to make edits to it, and it becomes our own. And so the challenge with the cannabis initiatives at the last election were we had to take it. Once they got the signatures, we had no choice but to put it on the ballot. We had to either adopt it or put it on the ballot. We had no choice. We weren't able to dicker, negotiate, collaborate regarding the language. But we also weren't.
05:13:05.10	Blaustein	But we also weren't, but we weren't liable, right? So if there were CEQA issues or if something came up otherwise from a legal standpoint, or if there was an issue from one of the property owners who was unhappy with the text of it, the city itself, because it wasn't a city-sponsored initiative, would not take on the
05:13:08.71	Cox	ish.
05:13:09.38	Cox	or if something's wrong.
05:13:11.05	Cox	I agree.
05:13:19.03	Cox	liability. Agreed. So I just wanted to point out there are benefits to both ways. And I would love to see a collaborative process as opposed to a take it or leave it process.
05:13:29.80	Unknown	And for the record, I'm not opposed to something that eventually goes to the voters. That would be fine. Just not like this, not in 45 days. You know, again, I just say we just don't cut corners here. We let the process spell out. You know, so that's my biggest objection. And so, yeah, like, you know, I'll just say it. I don't know if anyone will show up and we can certainly change who the people, but I'll announce a Blue Ribbon committee. I will bring the wine, but I will also see if I can find a facilitator. I will not be facilitating it and won't be part of the committee. It'll just have the mayor's name on it, but I would invite John DeRay and Craig Mereless, Reason Bradley, Mike Linder, a representative clipper of Berg and Schoonmaker, Ethan Hirschfeld, someone from KQMI, John Kurtzweiler from ICB, and Leslie Allen from ICB. That's my starting list. That's my invitation. We could meet. And like I said, I put a structure around it with a facilitator.
05:14:29.30	Unknown	Let some trust be built and see if some bridges can be built. It won't be done in 45 days. It won't be done for this election, but it may get done and it may help save the partnership for a hundred years.
05:14:42.46	Kellerman	Well, I'm going to, just for sake of the record, make the motion that we continue it to July 16th. See if I have a second. If not, move on.
05:14:49.70	Kellerman	Thank you.
05:14:50.53	Kellerman	Second.
05:14:52.00	Unknown	motion made and seconded call the question that's uh all in favor
05:14:57.20	McDougall	Bye. Bye.
05:14:58.93	Unknown	opposed nay.
05:14:59.64	McDougall	Okay.
05:15:01.21	Unknown	So.
05:15:01.50	Unknown	That notion does not carry.
05:15:03.79	Unknown	So that's where we're at. We are with that as that is not continued. Nevertheless, there's a lot, a lot of interest parties are right here in the room that have been flushed up out of this. And I'm serious. I think there's a real opportunity. And as council member Kelman,
05:15:23.96	Unknown	Part of her motivation was to actually light a fire under this discussion. I was frustrated a year ago that we didn't because yeah, we may have turned down
05:15:32.03	Unknown	Mr. Silvestri, but what we didn't do is then try to find someone else.
05:15:37.38	Unknown	Right? But it was there.
05:15:39.35	Unknown	Thank you.
05:15:39.82	Unknown	Council Member Blassey and I were two votes for it. So we could have found someone else. We could have just reissued the RFI. So let's reissue the RFI. I mean, that's a future agenda item thing, but we'd have to see if we can schedule it. And I'll call you in just a second, my colleague, my friend. But it was that we, you know, there's, you know, lots of mistakes were made. There are lots of opportunities missed. So I can do the blue ribbon thing, and that's a step, but I would call on my colleagues to consider and future genetimes. You can talk about scheduling it, issuing an RFI again for a more formal designer of some kind who can, like Silvestri or his ilk, help us.
05:15:47.77	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
05:16:17.25	Unknown	My friend.
05:16:17.79	Kellerman	Thank you, Mayor, and thank you for the offer. I gladly accept, serving on the Blue Ribbon Committee. So I think it's important
05:16:25.64	Kellerman	not to ignore the very reality. So a lot of you know I'm an environmental lawyer. I run a climate nonprofit. I do a lot of work in the blue economy in the U.S. and in Europe. We do a lot of work with working waterfronts. When I was the mayor, I launched a blue economy task force, and we actually worked very diligently with the port of Los Angeles and Alticea with an entity called Braid Theory, which is a world-renowned accelerator and incubator in the blue economy space. We had a business plan. We had investors interested. We had people who were creating a pipeline for cohort. It failed. You know why? We couldn't find space. The rents were just too high. And so I just want to make sure we're being realistic about what the ask is here right we we tried and there was a real hard due diligence effort on it and so I applaud and respect and thank you for your suggestion but I also want to just be super pragmatic about um why some things aren't working down there and it really is going to take uh
05:17:21.70	Sandra Bushmuth	We'll be right back.
05:17:26.00	Kellerman	You keep saying deals, but I gotta say there's gonna be
05:17:28.63	Kellerman	some things that need to be given up on that. So I give the two for perspective.
05:17:33.07	Unknown	I accept it.
05:17:33.71	Kellerman	Thank you.
05:17:34.15	Unknown	I'm inspired by malt. In the city, there are buildings that are bought for artists in a malt model.
05:17:42.47	Unknown	I'm sorry, I'm inspired by the agricultural land that's saved for worker and in a quote unquote sub economic activity, it can be done. I agree, it's a challenge.
05:17:56.34	Unknown	But I think it can be done. Malt's an example. In the city, there's a similar thing to malt, I'm forgetting the name, but it buys buildings. And in the arts, for artists, it buys the whole building. And it preserves it as a sub-economic use. I hate using that word because to me it's the highest economic use. It's just, you know, dollars and cents. And artists are saved.
05:18:16.15	Unknown	So it can be done.
05:18:17.52	Unknown	That's what the charge here is, to protect and enhance the marineship. And let's look at some of these solutions. That's the charge to us.
05:18:25.04	Unknown	Council member.
05:18:25.74	Blaustein	I was just going to say, we have to preserve those uses and those businesses because they're critical for the fabric of our community and who we are. And so I think we would all welcome solutions and ideas for how to do that, whether that's creating a protected area.
05:18:41.68	Blaustein	whether that's having conversations around shared investment, but
05:18:44.82	Blaustein	not having the space, with all due respect, yes, that's part of the problem, but it's hard to get investment in a space if the space itself is sinking and the infrastructure is failing. And I think we all know that the infrastructure is failing and it requires funding to fix that. And so I think there is a path forward that involves blue economy businesses. It involves public-private partnerships. It involves the entire ecosystem because everyone in this room is part of that ecosystem. And there's a future where we can all coexist in it and we can save those businesses with some sort of model similar. I appreciate the agricultural land trust idea because I think that that could be 100 years and we should be thinking about that. So I don't know if we need to keep talking, but I can.
05:19:25.93	Councilman McCullough	I want to give Councilor Cummings a blast.
05:19:26.01	Blaustein	I want to give Council Member a comment.
05:19:26.98	Kellerman	Oh, we've left.
05:19:27.35	Blaustein	Thank you.
05:19:27.40	Kellerman	Well, two things. So sea level rise vulnerability assessment is underway. I know a lot of you have been contacted in stakeholder groups. This is exactly the type of infrastructure investment. There's a lot of money out there for this. We just got $250,000 to take a hard look at Gate 5 Road. Again, we got a million dollars from the state to look at this. I'll continue to look for monies. We all will. But I'll also just issue my fellow council members a challenge. We have 400 houseboats in our sphere of influence and we currently have zero whole manufacturers in Sausalito to maintain and to make sure that those houseboats stay afloat. That is a built-in customer base. If we can't figure out how to bring that back to Sausalito, then we're really digging harder and maybe not doing our job.
05:20:09.45	Unknown	That should be a charge to the Blue Ribbon Committee.
05:20:12.39	Unknown	All right, we're gonna close item 5C, moving on to 5D. Thank you for having me. Receive and file, yeah, we're gonna receive and file the report regarding becoming a charter city, direction to staff to become a charter city.
05:20:17.06	Katie Thau Garcia	Y'all.
05:20:23.37	Unknown	Are we gonna- We're not gonna do it.
05:20:25.35	Unknown	Just following protocol, I imagine we're not, but we're gonna take public comment and probably continue to go.
05:20:37.78	Unknown	All right.
05:20:38.34	Unknown	I think we'll just, I think I'm presuming that we don't want to take these 5D up, so we're just going to do public comment on it.
05:20:44.30	Unknown	Okay.
05:20:45.50	Unknown	5D public comment on yes, it will point them receive and file report regarding becoming a charter city provide direction to staff to become a charter city. we're going to continue this matter to a future agenda, but we have to take public comments of city clerk.
05:20:59.00	Mayor Sobieski	Fabette, do you want to speak?
05:21:00.56	McDougall	I do have a comment, but it's...
05:21:04.45	Unknown	Okay, that'll be in a few minutes, Ms. McDougal.
05:21:07.40	Mayor Sobieski	I see none. I see none.
05:21:09.69	Unknown	I do, we do need Councilmember Hoffman to vote on the next item, which is consider appointments to Parks and Rec Commission.
05:21:19.60	Unknown	She wasn't here.
05:21:20.36	Unknown	Let me find her. Hold on.
05:21:48.39	Unknown	Okay, so we want to go through the list. How many commissioners are we appointing? Does anyone know? Five? So I guess I can keep tabs of the people's top five, or how should we do that?
05:22:00.76	Kellerman	Want to do a slate? Okay, yeah.
05:22:02.41	Unknown	Okay, someone else count because my piece of paper is so marked up.
05:22:04.61	Kellerman	Why don't you start, Vice Mayor?
05:22:07.91	Kellerman	Yeah.
05:22:08.91	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:22:10.11	Unknown	wait i'm trying to figure out how to do this are you going to count the votes
05:22:12.55	Karen Hollweg	Are you going to count the votes?
05:22:14.51	Unknown	I have my thing so messed up here. OK, sorry.
05:22:19.15	Unknown	I'll just read it off.
05:22:20.32	Karen Hollweg	Is that a bracket for me?
05:22:22.73	Unknown	OK, great.
05:22:22.75	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:22:22.76	Councilman McCullough	Thank you.
05:22:23.64	Councilman McCullough	Right.
05:22:24.57	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:22:24.64	Cox	So, I vote Sonia, Danielle.
05:22:24.67	Unknown	Thank you.
05:22:24.77	Unknown	you
05:22:24.81	Karen Hollweg	you
05:22:24.89	Councilman McCullough	So.
05:22:25.40	Unknown	So yeah.
05:22:25.88	Councilman McCullough	Thank you.
05:22:25.94	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:22:29.48	Cox	Karina Michelle Brand.
05:22:32.60	Unknown	Okay, Councilmember Hoffman.
05:22:39.76	Karina Hughes	but instead of
05:22:40.35	Unknown	Okay.
05:22:41.87	Karina Hughes	Same slate with my phone. Same slate.
05:22:42.96	Unknown	Same slate, so times two. Okay, I'll just like this.
05:22:46.81	Karina Hughes	What did you say?
05:22:47.50	Unknown	Councilmember Blastie. Abstain. Oh, sorry. And Councilmember Hoffman.
05:22:48.35	Unknown	to be able to do it.
05:22:48.40	Blaustein	Absolutely.
05:22:52.82	Unknown	Yes, I'll let you do that while I do my own camps.
05:22:57.90	Karen Hollweg	So
05:22:58.78	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:23:05.68	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:23:05.69	Sharna Brockett	Three of us. And things like
05:23:08.29	Unknown	Oh wow, this is like a winner. So I, that is.
05:23:15.26	Unknown	Thank you.
05:23:15.53	Unknown	Well, that's right, right?
05:23:15.55	Unknown	Well, that's right, right?
05:23:17.08	Unknown	Thank you.
05:23:17.40	Unknown	Because you have, okay, Dennis Banks.
05:23:20.65	Unknown	It won't make any difference, right?
05:23:23.11	Unknown	I can't do the math, it won't make any difference.
05:23:25.10	Unknown	I'm going to vote for Stacy. Yeah, that's right. So who are the... It's that slate is elected because you have three votes. It's Sonia. Sonia, Danielle, Karina, Michelle, and Frank.
05:23:30.90	Mayor Sobieski	though.
05:23:35.14	Unknown	Did you get that city clerk?
05:23:36.73	Mayor Sobieski	Sonia.
05:23:37.62	Unknown	Sonia Salzman, Danielle Keenan, uh,
05:23:40.96	Unknown	Karina Hughes, Michelle Mokala, and Frank Millian.
05:23:46.31	Cox	And may I just say in the event anyone is retarded enough to still be up, um,
05:23:52.18	Sammy	Thank you.
05:23:52.24	Blaustein	Um,
05:23:52.57	Sammy	Mm-hmm.
05:23:53.16	Cox	that it was a really difficult, we had,
05:23:57.08	Cox	amazing interviews and talent from everyone who interviewed this evening. So it was more difficult than it often is to. And I was so happy we were actually able to choose five.
05:24:09.29	Councilman Hoffman	Did we want to appoint an alternate?
05:24:11.25	Cox	Oh.
05:24:12.69	Councilman Hoffman	If you,
05:24:12.97	Cox	I would say let's appoint an alternate because the mayor had someone that he wanted to recommend that didn't get on the slate.
05:24:21.24	Unknown	How about Stacey Craig?
05:24:24.16	Cox	Okay.
05:24:24.63	Alice Merrill	Thank you.
05:24:24.65	Cox	Thank you.
05:24:24.70	Alice Merrill	you
05:24:24.96	Alice Merrill	Great. Sounds good.
05:24:25.58	Unknown	Stacy Cray is the alternate, Mr. City Clerk. Got it. Thanks for the suggestion, Councilmember Hoffman.
05:24:31.17	Unknown	All right, item 5.
05:24:34.71	Unknown	The,
05:24:37.04	Unknown	I'm sorry, 5F, introduction and waiver of first reading of ordinance 424 regarding relating to the residency requirements of cities, boards, and commissions, and committees. So do we want to take public?
05:24:53.12	Cox	I would like to move that we continue this, but I would like to hear any public comment this evening.
05:24:57.86	Unknown	you
05:24:58.01	Unknown	Public comment, please.
05:24:59.51	Unknown	Second, yeah, I think.
05:25:01.10	Mayor Sobieski	Robert M. McDougal.
05:25:04.24	Mayor Sobieski	Sorry, I missed the first and the second.
05:25:06.28	Unknown	It was Janelle and yeah.
05:25:09.17	McDougall	Thank you for allowing me. So just I'm glad that you're going to continue this if I understand correctly. Oh, sorry.
05:25:15.56	Unknown	Sorry, please go ahead. I'll keep talking for you two minutes. Let's go ahead.
05:25:19.19	McDougall	All right. Because I think making a broad sweeping statement about a residency requirement is not a good thing. Not in the best interest of Sausalito.
05:25:30.78	McDougall	and the people who live here,
05:25:32.83	McDougall	and make their business and home here.
05:25:35.39	McDougall	So what really is in the best interest is to look carefully.
05:25:39.19	McDougall	The fellow...
05:25:40.30	McDougall	with the end.
05:25:42.02	McDougall	where he doesn't live here, but he runs a long time running a good business here.
05:25:47.14	McDougall	that's the sort of special exception that should be made.
05:25:51.20	McDougall	But you don't throw down a blanket rule that said, it doesn't matter if you live here. It most certainly does matter.
05:25:58.29	McDougall	Thank you.
05:25:59.83	Mayor Sobieski	Thank you.
05:26:00.20	Mayor Sobieski	All right, we have Scott Thornburg.
05:26:07.13	Scott Thornburg	Thank you. I'll be brief and just say, I've said this before, but many of our businesses would love to contribute to the city of Sausalito, and this is a way for them to do that. We have many business owners that don't live in town, but have had...
05:26:22.59	Scott Thornburg	businesses here for many, many years. And they love Sausalito dearly and want to give back to the community.
05:26:29.51	Scott Thornburg	giving them an opportunity to serve,
05:26:32.23	Scott Thornburg	in a volunteer capacity seems like a great way to engage them
05:26:36.82	Scott Thornburg	And I think, you know, what what the former speaker just said of, you know, having some qualifications around that.
05:26:43.87	Scott Thornburg	I think that would be fine. But I do think we need to be careful
05:26:48.04	Scott Thornburg	not to be too restrictive there.
05:26:50.01	Scott Thornburg	There's already an interview process that we go through, a rigorous interview process with the city council. So I think that's probably enough. But we, you know, if you have a business in town and you want to volunteer, I think we should support that. So thank you for continuing to track on this matter. I think this has been on the agenda a few times now, but we definitely want to come to consensus soon. So thank you for your attention and looking forward to continuing this matter at a future agenda.
05:27:21.69	Mayor Sobieski	All right, no further publication.
05:27:22.80	Unknown	All right. We'll close that item. It's going to be continued. We'll move on now to items not on the agenda. This is your time to make comments on items not on the agenda.
05:27:32.59	Unknown	City Clerk, are there any people who wish to comment? My bet. Let's make Google.
05:27:42.34	McDougall	I don't know if you recall it, my very first time meeting you, I said, well, I'm a Southerner. I have an opinion on everything.
05:27:49.43	McDougall	So, all right, for this wrap up, I want to start with that risk assessment thing.
05:27:53.72	McDougall	When I got that phone call.
05:27:55.86	McDougall	following the last council meeting.
05:27:57.87	McDougall	from a watchdog who is a compliance officer
05:28:01.31	McDougall	which I gather is the same thing as risk assessment. They are always attorneys with rare exception.
05:28:07.28	McDougall	So that might color how we're going about trying to fill this position.
05:28:11.30	McDougall	And they're the ones that gave the briefing on how to argue the Title VII, for an example.
05:28:16.72	McDougall	I'm not interested in pursuing that. That was all new information for me. I just shared it as a matter of public record.
05:28:22.15	McDougall	That's the first item that I wanted to go over. The second has to do with the marine ship definition. I've got to say that I must take issue with having a marine ship discussion at the Spinnaker. No offense. I love the Spinnaker. Don't get me wrong. I love that room. But it should be inside the marine ship proper.
05:28:40.07	McDougall	Doreen and I were talking, you know, the most public meeting space to the south end of the proper marine ship is the cruising club. And we have very successfully orchestrated meetings at the cruising club.
05:28:52.58	McDougall	in the past. So it's an option. The Bay model is the best if they're still willing to do it.
05:28:58.48	McDougall	So that's the other thing. And then the third item that I wanted to...
05:29:03.06	McDougall	bring home here is strike while the iron is hot. What you got here tonight, thank God, was an open mind and discussion from both sides of the room about why people really care. And this is obviously an issue that is citywide.
05:29:19.10	McDougall	So everybody deserves to be noticed on the meetings and the special hearings, etc.
05:29:24.13	McDougall	So this is an important time to bring the citizens together, and what better time than right now? I wouldn't wait too long to push this forward. This marineship issue has been begging for attention. Thank you.
05:29:39.32	Unknown	Any other comments, city clerk? Yes, you may, of course, your public comment is open for items not on the agenda.
05:29:46.46	Unknown	But that's probably it.
05:29:47.74	Alice Merrill	Is if I say that about the Marin ship, the fact that I'm not sure
05:29:53.17	Alice Merrill	still that people on the hill even know where it is so i i really think that somehow we've got to get people down there one time there was a um there was a all city potluck it was for it was for the sister cities i thought that can't happen how are they going to do that all city potluck great idea
05:30:03.84	Katie Thau Garcia	Thank you.
05:30:19.19	Alice Merrill	Well, it happened. I went. And it was fun. It was a lot of people. It was a perfect amount of food. It worked. It worked.
05:30:27.24	Alice Merrill	It can happen that people can be brought down there and
05:30:31.36	Alice Merrill	and can learn in one way or another. And I've always thought that it would be fun to have all the business, all the owners have a, have a day that, you know, come on down and make it big deal that you come on down and you find out about what's there and you peek into all these little places and,
05:30:50.53	Alice Merrill	We have to get the rest of the town to care, or this is just, you know, it's the landowners against the renters, and it's terrible.
05:31:06.44	Alice Merrill	Let's figure out a way to get people down there.
05:31:09.90	Alice Merrill	I'm going to go home now. I'm sorry. Thank you.
05:31:12.37	Blaustein	Wish we could too, Alice.
05:31:13.67	Alice Merrill	right?
05:31:13.72	Unknown	Remember, Steve.
05:31:14.87	Unknown	Anyone else, Mr. City Clerk? See you then.
05:31:17.08	Unknown	All right, city manager, it's time for your, oh, I'm sorry, council member committee reports. No?
05:31:22.12	Unknown	No, that's a businessman.
05:31:24.08	Cox	I attended my first pedestrian and bicycle advisory committee meeting as city council liaison last night. And there are a number of grant funding opportunities that are going, that are being pursued and recommended.
05:31:41.22	Cox	that the PBAC is going to recommend that the city council
05:31:44.70	Cox	consider as well as
05:31:46.78	Cox	Um,
05:31:47.69	Cox	The adoption of a plan by parametrics for avoiding accidents at the most, at the hottest intersections throughout the city. So both of those things will be coming to the city council, if not in July, early in the fall. And I look forward to the entire council having an opportunity to hear more about them.
05:32:09.17	Unknown	Thank you.
05:32:09.20	Kellerman	Thank you.
05:32:09.32	Unknown	I'm not sure.
05:32:09.41	Cox	Thank you.
05:32:10.10	Cox	I'm not sure.
05:32:10.50	Kellerman	What day is our CalCities? In July, Sassilito is the host for the North Bay Division of CalCities. There's a luncheon.
05:32:17.81	Kellerman	I think it's July 25th, is that that, Thursday? And it'll be a spinnaker. It's being a spinnaker. So they're expecting about 60 people. Everybody here, of course, is invited.
05:32:29.18	Unknown	Thank you.
05:32:30.13	Kellerman	Lunch, so probably noon.
05:32:32.78	Unknown	You fine?
05:32:33.98	Kellerman	No, but CalCities is.
05:32:35.14	Kellerman	Thank you.
05:32:35.21	Kellerman	Thank you.
05:32:36.08	Unknown	All right. City manager, would you have any reports?
05:32:40.79	Unknown	Thank you, Mayor and members of the council. This is forever on tape. I want to say there's a robust quarterly report from the city manager that was compiled by our intern, Libby Hughes. So it's got a lot of information in different departments, including the next work that she's going to do for me, which is to do an evaluation of our stairways and the condition of our stairways. And then secondly, she'll do some work related to bridgeway and some of the clutter that's on bridgeway, but she's done a great job. The department's obviously contributed to this information and that concludes my report.
05:33:17.77	Unknown	Thank you, sir.
05:33:18.51	Unknown	uh,
05:33:18.76	Unknown	So.
05:33:18.86	Unknown	Thank you.
05:33:19.18	Cox	May I just commend the city manager? That was a really impressive report, and there's been a lot getting done, even while putting out a bunch of fires. So kudos.
05:33:30.98	Kellerman	Will she respond to your emails and clear your inbox for you?
05:33:37.93	Unknown	Do my colleagues have any additional future agenda items?
05:33:40.73	Blaustein	I just, I've mentioned this at almost every meeting, and it's still not on the future agenda items list. I keep bringing up tabletop exercises and also disaster preparedness presentation from Mike McKinley. And I know that other members of the council have also asked for that, including Councilmember Hoffman, Councilmember Kelman, and Vice Mayor Cox. So again...
05:33:56.61	Sammy	So again,
05:33:57.47	Unknown	.
05:33:58.17	Blaustein	I would really like us to have a robust conversation about disaster preparedness, have a presentation from our emergency manager, have more tabletops. I'm going to keep pushing that.
05:34:05.02	Unknown	to keep pushing that. Can you please make sure we look at specifically that on our next agenda setting? That request, Mr. City Clerk? Just because I keep missing it too. It's not your point.
05:34:13.94	Cox	Yeah, so can we just, does the city clerk write down when we say what future agenda items we'd like to have?
05:34:18.87	Mayor Sobieski	Yes, I do. And it's on the future agenda sheet that's part of the agenda setting meeting.
05:34:23.43	Unknown	Maybe remind us.
05:34:23.46	Mayor Sobieski	you
05:34:23.51	Mayor Sobieski	maybe remind us.
05:34:24.31	Mayor Sobieski	I'm not part of those meetings. Oh, that's right. That's right.
05:34:25.79	Unknown	Oh, that's right. That's right. It's our fault.
05:34:27.39	Mayor Sobieski	Bye.
05:34:27.41	Cox	Well, can you just start emailing me that list with the matrix every time the agenda setting committee meets so that we can start populating that?
05:34:36.46	Mayor Sobieski	Yes, I already do that. Okay, all right.
05:34:38.21	Blaustein	Right. It's just on the current future agenda items. It's not listed there.
05:34:41.31	Unknown	Well,
05:34:41.79	Blaustein	Thank you.
05:34:41.89	Unknown	Thank you.
05:34:41.90	Cox	Thank you.
05:34:42.40	Blaustein	But that's fine.
05:34:43.31	Unknown	Be the squeaky, keep being squeaky, we all apologize. Thank you. All right, public comment, please, on these committee reports, city manager report, future agenda items. Any public comment?
05:34:51.73	Reason Bradley	it.
05:34:52.32	Unknown	No.
05:34:54.95	McDougall	or
05:34:55.03	McDougall	as a result.
05:34:55.07	Unknown	Okay.
05:34:55.29	McDougall	Good job.
05:34:55.96	Unknown	Thank you.
05:34:56.49	Unknown	Ms. Bushmaker.
05:34:57.73	Unknown	There's-
05:34:58.44	Unknown	as Bushmaker has said.
05:34:58.71	Mayor Sobieski	Especially.
05:34:59.22	Mayor Sobieski	Sandra Bushmaker.
05:34:59.46	Unknown	Thank you.
05:35:03.42	Sandra Bushmuth	Here we go. I just wanted to remind you that Dorothy Westby Gibson
05:35:07.74	Sandra Bushmuth	the Gibson house, wrote a book about the stairways of Sausalito. And so your staff person, your intern,
05:35:16.04	Sandra Bushmuth	City Manager might find that to be helpful way to start her endeavor.
05:35:22.88	Unknown	Thank you for that. One of my treasures is a signed copy of that.
05:35:27.47	Unknown	or Ms. Gibson herself, so...
05:35:29.54	Sandra Bushmuth	She took me around the city and walked me up and down all those stairs when I was running for council 26 years ago.
05:35:37.10	Unknown	Fantastic.
05:35:38.60	Unknown	All right. That's it. We will now adjourn. The next city council meeting is on July 16th at 7pm. See you then and happy...
05:35:44.07	Cox	No, it's not the 20th. The next to the 20th. Oh, jeez.
05:35:44.90	Blaustein	the 20 minutes.
05:35:46.00	Unknown	Oh.
05:35:48.44	Unknown	Thank you. The next city council meeting is a special city council meeting where we will approve and adopt the budget. It is one week from today.
05:35:50.11	Cox	Yeah.
05:35:54.84	Doreen Gunnar	At 6 p.m.
05:35:55.48	Unknown	6 p.m., not at 7 p.m.
05:35:57.52	Unknown	6 p.m. It is at 6 p.m. And then we'll go out in currents as well. Thanks for the catch. And you guys are sharp for this late at night. Thanks for catching my Eric.
05:36:04.68	Unknown	uh,
05:36:05.69	Unknown	Good night.
05:36:08.96	Unknown	of