City Council Feb 4, 2025

City Council Meeting Summary

Time	Item	Item Summary	Motion Summary	Comment Summary
00:00:23	I: CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL - 6:30 PM	The meeting was called to order by Mayor Hollweg at 6:30 PM (00:00:23). The City Clerk took roll call, confirming the presence of Councilmembers Blaustein, Hoffman, Sobieski, Vice Mayor Woodside, and Mayor Cox. Following the roll call, the council moved to adjourn to a closed session to discuss one item: Conference with Legal Counsel, Anticipated Litigation, Significant Exposure to Litigation, One Case (00:00:49). Mayor Hollweg asked if there were any public comments on the closed session (00:00:49).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:01:22	II: RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION - 7:00 PM	The meeting reconvened to open session after a closed session. Mayor Hollweg announced that Councilmember Sobieski recused herself from the closed session discussion due to the location of her property relative to the subject matter (00:01:29). The City Clerk called the roll, confirming the presence of Councilmembers Huffman, Sobieski, Vice Mayor Woodside, and Mayor Hollweg (00:02:10). Sophia Collier led the Pledge of Allegiance (00:02:22).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:02:41	1: SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS/MAYOR'S ANNOUNCEMENTS - 7:02 PM	This agenda item included approving the agenda with an amendment to continue item D, regarding housing elements, to February 18th due to time constraints and at the request of Director McGowan. Councilmember Sobieski initially questioned if item D could be quickly addressed to get the first reading out of the way, but ultimately agreed to continue the item to allow Director McGowan to leave earlier. (00:03:47.66) The council then approved the amended agenda and reduced the public comment period from three minutes to two minutes for all items due to a packed chamber. (00:05:02.45)	Motion to continue item D to February 18th (00:04:22.40). Motion passed unanimously (00:04:39.62). Motion to approve the agenda as amended (00:04:52.86). Motion passed unanimously (00:05:02.45).	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:05:24	2: COMMUNICATIONS - 7:03 PM	The Communications section of the meeting included public comments on various issues. Babette McDougall spoke about community division and the time it takes to make things happen in Sausalito. Jeff Jacobs recited from Exodus 15 and suggested it was a time for Jubilee. Sandra Bushmaker requested the council to communicate the impacts of national level changes on Sausalito. Fred Moore suggested reverting to two-minute communication periods and expediting the Wells Fargo building appeal hearing. Bert Drobnis accused council members of breaking their word regarding a vote on a park near the ferry landing and criticized the city's handling of the Bank of America building. Councilmember Sobieski responded to Drobnis, stating his facts were incorrect regarding the July 2021 meeting and the ferry landing project.	No Motion	5 Total: 0 In Favor 1 Against 4 Neutral
00:05:44 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Stated that she has filed letters expressing concerns about a lack of transparency in the town. She emphasized the need for community unity and cautioned against division, suggesting it could lead to unfavorable deals for developers. 00:07:14 Jeff Jacobs was Neutral: Shared a reading from Exodus 15, drawing a parallel to current events. He expressed satisfaction that there were no consultant fees on the consent calendar. He concluded by stating it was a time for Jubilee, not for America to take over the Middle East. 00:09:27 Sandra Bushmaker was Neutral: Requested that the public be informed about how executive orders and national-level changes will affect Sausalito. She emphasized the high anxiety in the community and asked to be kept apprised of any impacts. 00:10:46 Fred Moore was Neutral: Appreciated moving communications to the beginning of the meeting and suggested reverting to two-minute speaking times. He urged the council to expedite the hearing on the appeal for the Wells Fargo building. 00:11:35 Bert Drobnis was Against: Addressed council members Sobieski, Blaustein, and Kellerman, accusing them of breaking their word by not holding a vote on a park adjacent to the Sausalito Ferry landing as allegedly promised in July 2021. He also criticized the city's financial losses related to the Bank of America building and suggested selling it to fund road and infrastructure improvements.
00:14:37	3: CONSENT CALENDAR - 7:20 PM	The council considered the consent calendar items 3A through 3H, including the Black History Month Proclamation, minutes from January 21st, 2025, the Saucedo City Council strategic planning report, the fiscal year 2024-25 quarter two report from the library, a resolution increasing the contingency for the Dorothy Gibson House Improvement Project, the Treasurer's Report for December 31, 2024, the California Employers Retiree Benefit Trust Program Agreement, and a waiver of the second reading and adoption of ordinance number 01-2025 regarding accessory dwelling unit regulations. Councilmember Sobieski requested a revision to item 3C (00:16:39) to specifically include the city council's commitment to identifying at least $3 million more in annual recurring revenue in the strategic planning report. Councilmember Woodside raised a question about the priorities determined in the strategic planning report (00:17:04). The Mayor noted the city attorney identified potential changes to the ADU ordinance (00:18:13) and suggested approving the item and bringing back changes later. Councilmember Woodside agreed (00:19:10) and the Mayor wanted staff to address the issues raised by the city attorney, as well as other previously discussed issues related to ADUs, such as those in high fire danger areas (00:19:27).	Motion to approve the consent calendar with the revision to item 3C regarding the $3 million revenue goal (00:20:14). The motion carried unanimously (00:20:34).	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
00:20:41	5.A: Study Session and Presentation Regarding Draft Amended 2023-2031 Housing Element, Including Draft General Plan Amendments, and Modified Amended Housing Element (Project Alternative)	Brandon Phipps introduces the item, noting that the city has been working on an amended housing element and a modified amended housing element. Beth Thompson then presents the details of the draft amended 2023-2031 housing element, including proposed changes to various programs and revisions based on comments from the Department of Housing and Community Development (HCD). She also discusses a modified housing element as an alternative, addressing potential shortfalls related to arena. The presentation covers sites removed, added, and adjusted, including MLK Park, and density reductions to maintain traditional building heights. Thompson also highlights HCD comments and the city's responses, emphasizing the need to meet state timelines for adoption and rezoning by January 30, 2026. Councilmembers and staff then discuss in detail some of the changes. Key points from the Council discussion include: * Councilmember Woodside inquired about the flexibility to remove sites, particularly MLK, and the implications for environmental review and meeting RHNA requirements. (00:48:34) * Councilmember Hoffman questioned the consistency of general plan modifications with the housing element. (00:46:55) * Councilmembers requested clearer presentation of information and additional data on ADU and SB9 projections. (00:53:20) * Council discussed challenges of increasing densities in certain areas and the importance of balancing housing needs with community values and the city's historical context. * The Mayor wants to see more housing allocated in the Marinship area.	No Motion	10 Total: 1 In Favor 8 Against 1 Neutral
01:57:17 Rick Matkovich was Against: Expressed concerns about the proposal to put 14 units on a small, steeply sloped lot near City Hall, citing risks to nearby properties, water drainage, parking, privacy, and views. He suggested the city consider rejuvenating development in the marineship instead. 01:59:32 John Story was Against: Opposed the construction of a 35-unit building across the street from his house on Nevada Street, stating that it would block his view of Mount Tam. 02:00:22 Jim Madden was In Favor: Representing Mary Madden LLC, supported increasing the density of Site 44 (1319 Bridgeway) from three to four units, and mentioned 210 Caledonia as a potential pick-up site, not changing the footprint. He advocated for smaller, less controversial projects to add up to a significant number. 02:02:10 Jed Dempsey was Against: Expressed concerns about the Altamira project, stating that its density was astronomical and inconsistent with the surrounding area. He requested that the city consider its impact carefully, and supported the removal of MLK Park. He also supported having fewer sites if it meant more manageable impacts. 02:03:27 Adriana Denehenian-Zalew was Against: Spoke against locating housing at MLK Park due to noise and traffic concerns, and potential loss of parking. She expressed concern about all of the traffic, school proximity and park and proposed the high park is being a bad option. 02:05:10 Babette McDougall was Against: Called for a more integrated approach, a glossary of terms, and mindfulness of constituents' will, particularly regarding the City Hall site. She suggested linking comments to meetings and concerns, also emphasized the density reduction and the protection of working waterfronts. 02:08:07 Nicole Belfoy was Against: Agreed that the housing situation is causing a divide in the community and suggested that the city push back. This included requesting more creativity, transparency, proper planning, and a real pathway to being built. The speaker also was concerned that the Whiskey Springs site was becoming an easy target and traffic concerns. 02:21:31 Bert Drobnis was Against: Questioned the high RHNA number, urging the city council to appeal again, and suggested developing a private property in the marineship instead. He is against additional development, especially on public park areas. Provides comparative data on housing numbers in other cities in Marin County. 02:23:41 Justine Khan was Against: Seconded Bert's sentiment. Stated the speaker wanted to keep MLK Park and Marine Ship off the site and stated a need to push back on the state to lower the number of required units 02:08:48 Michael Rex was Neutral: I'm sorry, I just wanted to let's consider a world where the opportunity sites were more equally divided across Sausalito's geography. I think right now a lot of that burden has been brought to the waterfront area.
03:26:37	5.B: Study Session for Municipal Code Amendment: Adoption of More Comprehensive Objective Design and Development Standards (ODDS) and Form-Based Code	The council held a study session regarding the municipal code amendment for adopting more comprehensive Objective Design and Development Standards (ODDS) and a Form-Based Code. Bob Brown presented the staff report, highlighting responses to the October study session and feedback from the planning commission. Key points included the re-introduction of the exemption process for projects unable to achieve their floor area ratio, updates on the view preservation software (ViewSync), updating the historic building inventory, improving the defining characteristics list, and discussions with HCD regarding view preservation standards. The Planning Commission expressed concerns about the completion and testing of the ViewSync software within the required timeframe, as well as whether the software constituted an objective standard knowable in advance to applicants. Changes to the ordinance since October included revisions to the historic district standards and view preservation standards, specifically the removal of vista views from the protected view categories. Councilmember Blaustein inquired about adjustments needed for ODDS to effectively increase ADUs and SB9 sites, to which Bob Brown stated ODDS was developed for multifamily and mixed-use projects and not applicable to single-family homes. Councilmember York requested the PC version attached to the staff report, as well as concerns solar pathways and shadows onto adjacent properties were lost in translation. Councilmember Woodside commented the standards are significantly reduced in volume and the effort was made to take difficult concepts and to make them objective in language. Mayor Hollweg sought clarification on HCD's concerns, the status of the ViewSync software, and its user-friendliness for applicants. A demonstration of the ViewSync software was given by Sophia, which allows modeling of the different housing sites. Staff was directed to test the ViewSync software to confidently address the issues raised by HCD. (03:41:55) Sophia stated Viewsync Interactive is a planning tool and ViewSync Compliance is a formal web app.	No Motion	5 Total: 2 In Favor 2 Against 1 Neutral
04:10:51 Michael Rex was In Favor: He provided context, stating that the Planning Commission had sent a document with no view protection, privacy protection, or historic preservation, necessitating the formation of a volunteer group. He stated the Planning Commission was not ready for view protection. He emphasized the importance of Sausalito having a law for development standards that protects views, suggesting applying the standards to a specific opportunity site to demonstrate their effectiveness. 04:14:05 Vicki Nichols was Against: She raised concerns about the application of the Secretary of Interior Standards within the ODDS, particularly regarding the introduction of different materials and the attachment of parapets to original structures in historic districts. She questioned how design features and materials would be reviewed under the ODDS, given the lack of review at this point, and she shared the Historic Preservation Committee chairs similar concerns. 04:16:17 Babette McDougall was Neutral: She expressed mixed feelings, stating that while she wasn't personally in favor of beta software models, she believed it would ultimately benefit the community. She referenced the State of the City Breakfast, emphasizing the importance of creating a model for the wildlife urban interface and inclusive discussions and reminded the council to create a model with the whole county and bring all cities together for planning. 04:18:24 Archeobora was Against: He questioned why the ViewSync presentation wasn't given to the Housing Authority and stated single unit builds cost more than high rises. Also stated fire sprinklers add significant costs ($10,000-$15,000) and can trigger the need for larger water lines and ongoing monthly expenses. 04:20:42 Stacey Neal was In Favor: She expressed support for Sophia and Michael Rex regarding improvements to ODDS and building in Sausalito.
04:31:01	5.C: Study Session and Presentation on Draft Amendments to Municipal Code Title 10 (Zoning Ordinance), Draft Amendments to Zoning Map and Draft Resolution calling for ballot measure(s) for the rezone of Opportunity Sites subject to Ordinance Nos. 1022 and	This agenda item focuses on draft amendments to the Municipal Code Title 10 (Zoning Ordinance) and a draft resolution for ballot measures concerning the rezoning of Opportunity Sites subject to Ordinances 1022 and 1128. Karen Hollweg recuses herself from discussions related to Ordinance 1128, which is confined to the MLK site (04:31:30). Brandon Phipps provides an overview of the draft ordinance and zoning map amendment to implement rezoning of sites and zoning text changes to implement the amended housing element. A ballot consultant is working on a survey to inform community attitudes toward the ballot measures (04:32:07). Karen Hollweg suggests focusing on ballot measures and decoupling rezoning discussions (04:33:35). Beth Thompson confirms that the council has provided great discussion and guidance already and it's okay to move straight to ballot measures (04:34:11). Councilmember Woodside seeks clarification on the number of units at risk if the ballot measures fail, noting that 452 units are in jeopardy, and 358 are attributable to 1022 (04:34:29). Beth Thompson presents a slide summarizing sites affected by Ordinances 1022 and 1128. Ordinance 1022 affects sites totaling 358 units, while Ordinance 1128 affects the MLK site (04:35:51). There was a request for a map overlaying the ordinance with specific sites, and Karen Hollweg highlights an error in the resolution referring to ordinances 1028 and 1122, instead of 1022 and 1128 (04:36:54). The city attorney will correct the error and prepare two separate resolutions for each ordinance (04:38:18). The council discusses the mechanics of calling the special election, focusing on what specific direction the council needs to provide, such as separating the resolutions and considering the form of the ballot questions (04:38:41). The goal is to have revised draft ballot measures by March 4th, following the council's action on the amended housing element (04:40:15). Councilmember Woodside inquires about the timeline for preparing the resolution and ballot language if specific direction is given on February 25th (04:41:03). There are discussions on the format of maps to be included, and it was agreed that staff will create individual maps, and then a single one-pager for 10-22 with a map and a singular one-pager for 11-28 with a map (04:43:59). Karen Hollweg summarizes that to carry out the housing element, certain zoning amendments must be brought to the voters. Key discussion points included: * The number of ballot initiatives (one or two). * The contents and form of ballot questions. * Timelines for revising and adopting resolutions. * The format and clarity of maps showing affected sites. * The inclusion of commercial properties in the development agreement. Councilmember Woodside emphasized the importance of hearing directly from the public and potentially removing the MLK site from consideration and the city council agreed that direction should be given to staff to explore a carve-out of 1022 that allows a city council approved CDA agreement to not be in conflict with 1022 (04:56:57).	No Motion	6 Total: 1 In Favor 1 Against 4 Neutral
04:44:45 Michael Rex was Neutral: Suggests the city needs three measures in June, not two, to give the city the opportunity to enter development agreements on selected commercial properties throughout Sausalito. Expresses concern about the limitation imposed by Ordinance 1022, preventing increased density or floor area ratio in commercial sites without a public vote. 04:46:32 Linda Fudge was Neutral: Asserts that Ordinance 1022 does not apply to the CC zoning district or any residential district, citing information from the city's website and agreements from a meeting with ACD. She expresses concern that pushing the issue could lead to litigation. 04:47:12 Babette McDougall was Neutral: Urges the council to be wary of pushing the issue, noting that citizens are upset and lawyering up. She emphasizes the need to include citizens in the process and ensure transparency. 04:49:26 Stacey Neal was Against: Criticizes the fluctuating unit count at MLK park, stating it lacks consistency and is not beneficial for urban planning. She argues that the recent survey is biased, and the current EIR for MLK lacks site-specific traffic or fire data. She suggests a ballot for building in marineship instead of a public park or city hall. 04:51:23 Nicole Belfoy was Neutral: Requests transparency regarding a survey mentioned, inquiring about its distribution and accessibility, as she was not able to find or review it. Karen Hollweg replies that this is a telephonic survey and the recipents were randomly chosen (04:52:06). 04:54:38 Helen Sobieski was In Favor: Agrees with Michael Rex, that there should be a carve out of 1022 that allows a city council approved CDA agreement.
04:58:23	5.D: Introduction by Title and Waiver of First Reading of Ordinance No. 02-2025, An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Amending Section 15.04.060 To Prescribe Speed Limits Within the City of Sausalito	Councilmember Hollweg opened item 5D for public comment, which concerns an ordinance amending Section 15.04.060 to prescribe speed limits within Sausalito.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
04:58:48	6A: City Manager Information for Council	City Manager Karen Hollweg informed the council about a request from the City Manager to move the February 22nd special meeting regarding the Bridgeway grant to Saturday, March 29th, 2025, at 1 p.m. (04:59:10). Additionally, she suggested moving the February 25th meeting from 7 p.m. to February 22nd at 2 p.m. (04:59:23) to avoid late-night decision-making, considering Councilmember Jill Hoffman's prior engagement. Councilmember Woodside supported moving the Bridgeway grant issue to March (05:00:22) and acknowledged the challenge of weekend meetings for some, but noted the difficulty for the public to attend late weeknight meetings. An unknown councilmember cautioned about escalating the timeline given it was already tight, but Hollweg indicated that she had already conferred with CDD during a break about the issue (05:00:54). Hollweg then directed staff to commence the regular portion of the February 25th meeting at 4 p.m. (05:02:02), clarifying that the February 25th meeting was always intended as a special meeting to adopt the housing element. The City Manager added that the February 13th Sustainability Commission meeting will still occur and the Bridgeway grant meeting will be moved to March 29th. Hollweg asked if 1 p.m. on March 29th would work for everyone. She then stated that the City Manager had consensus from the council to move the Bridgeway Grant meeting to March 29th, 2025 at 1 p.m. unless the MTC declines the extension request (05:03:46).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:04:25	6B: Councilmember Committee Reports	Councilmember Hollweg reported on attending an MCCMC legislative committee meeting where the focus was on Zone Zero. (05:04:39) She also attended the MCCMC meeting where they heard from the Marin Fire Chief and the Marin Office of Emergency Services. (05:04:57) On February 18th, the council will hear a presentation from Stephanie Moulton-Peters and Chief Tubbs, who will discuss Zone Zero. (05:05:02) Zone Zero, which involves creating zero fire fuel between zero and five feet from a residence, was adopted by Mill Valley five years ago, but Sausalito declined. (05:05:02) There is now a better incentive to adopt Zone Zero, as it can result in lower insurance costs. (05:05:20)	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:05:44	6D: Future Agenda Items	The council discussed several items for future agendas. Mayor Hollweg requested the city attorney to share updates on executive orders from his firm, but doesn't want to spend city funds on it otherwise. Councilmember Woodside suggested the city manager be the point person for awareness of executive orders and their potential implications (05:06:36). Other items suggested by councilmembers included: * A resolution to secure undergrounding credits (05:09:32). * Revisiting the RFI topic from March 2023 with Community Venture Partners (05:09:47). * Consideration of speed bumps near school zones due to speeding issues (05:10:36). * Revisiting the development agreement around Bridgeway Marina (05:11:01). * Assessment or enforcement of the Zone Zero ordinance (05:11:21). * A conversation about police data, which was previously raised during public comment (05:11:33). Councilmember was congratulated on their expected appointment as president of the North Bay executive group and the potential for identifying grant funding opportunities (05:09:05).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:12:05	6E: Other reports of significance	The meeting briefly acknowledged the existence of other reports of significance.	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral
05:12:11	7: ADJOURNMENT	Mayor Hollweg announced that there were no other reports of significance. She reminded everyone of the Police Department's annual awards ceremony the following morning at 7 a.m., inviting councilmembers and the public to attend (05:12:11). She then adjourned the meeting (05:12:39).	No Motion	0 Total: 0 In Favor 0 Against 0 Neutral

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Time	Speaker	Text
00:00:04.86	Unknown	Ready?
00:00:23.71	Karen Hollweg	Good evening and welcome to the Sausalito City Council meeting for Tuesday, February 4th, 2025. It is 6.30 p.m. I will call the meeting to order and ask Walfred to call the roll.
00:00:37.56	City Clerk	Councilman Blaustein.
00:00:38.99	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:00:39.03	Unknown	Yeah.
00:00:39.11	Unknown	Yes.
00:00:39.40	Karen Hollweg	present.
00:00:40.08	City Clerk	Councilmember Hoffman.
00:00:41.78	City Clerk	Thank you.
00:00:41.90	Karen Hollweg	Here.
00:00:41.95	City Clerk	Here. Councilmember Sobieski. Here. Vice Mayor Woodside. Here. And Mayor Cox.
00:00:43.91	Unknown	Sure.
00:00:47.87	City Clerk	Thank you.
00:00:47.89	Karen Hollweg	here.
00:00:49.58	Karen Hollweg	We are about to adjourn to closed session, at which we will discuss one item, Conference with Legal Counsel, Anticipated Litigation, Significant Exposure to Litigation, One Case. And I will ask if there's any public comment on our closed session.
00:01:05.74	City Clerk	See none.
00:01:06.96	Karen Hollweg	With that, we will adjourn to closed session. We will return.
00:01:22.30	Karen Hollweg	Good evening and welcome back to the Sausalito City Council meeting for Tuesday, February 4th, 2025.
00:01:29.52	Karen Hollweg	We are reconvening after open session, there are no announcements, I will, however, advise that Council members so be asking recused himself from our closed session discussion. um.
00:01:49.85	Karen Hollweg	Okay, Sergio or Walford, will you, I'm sorry.
00:01:55.00	Karen Hollweg	Okay. Welcome to a safe.
00:01:57.99	Helen Sobieski	because of the location of my property to the subject matter.
00:02:01.89	Unknown	All right. Um,
00:02:05.19	Unknown	City Clerk, will you call roll?
00:02:08.03	City Clerk	Can't, I'm lost him.
00:02:09.56	Unknown	Yes.
00:02:09.90	City Clerk	Thank you.
00:02:10.36	City Clerk	Councilmember Huffman.
00:02:11.93	City Clerk	Here.
00:02:12.82	City Clerk	Councilmember Sobieski. Here.
00:02:15.15	City Clerk	Vice Mayor Woodside. Here. And Mayor Cox.
00:02:19.37	Karen Hollweg	Here.
00:02:22.25	Karen Hollweg	Sophia Collier, will you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance?
00:02:30.37	Sandra Bushmaker	I'd like to see you.
00:02:31.03	Karen Hollweg	to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with all.
00:02:31.59	Sandra Bushmaker	the flag.
00:02:32.38	Sandra Bushmaker	of the United States of America.
00:02:33.97	Unknown	Thank you.
00:02:34.84	Unknown	to the republic.
00:02:37.73	Stacey Neal	Thank you.
00:02:37.81	Unknown	Thank you.
00:02:37.91	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
00:02:38.00	Stacey Neal	that's not going to be a
00:02:38.17	Sandra Bushmaker	Thank you.
00:02:39.89	Woodside	Indivisible.
00:02:41.10	Woodside	There really is. That's Carl.
00:02:41.17	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:02:42.82	Unknown	Thank you.
00:02:47.01	Karen Hollweg	I will take public comment on closed session items.
00:02:53.15	City Clerk	Seeing none.
00:02:54.43	Karen Hollweg	I will entertain a motion approving our agenda.
00:02:57.03	Unknown	Yeah.
00:02:59.36	Unknown	So moved, but with the request that we perhaps continue item business item D to another date. I worry about the substantial conversation around our housing element items, and I respect our director McGowan quite a lot to have to stay and then have it be continued anyway.
00:03:17.08	Unknown	Can you please read off what that is?
00:03:19.31	Unknown	I'm looking through my...
00:03:20.96	Unknown	It is the...
00:03:23.04	Karen Hollweg	It's introduction by title and waiver.
00:03:26.12	Unknown	No objection.
00:03:26.60	Unknown	Thank you.
00:03:26.78	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:03:29.21	Karen Hollweg	Okay, is Director McGowan here?
00:03:32.06	Karen Hollweg	Director McGowan, can you step forward and advise whether this is something that is time sensitive?
00:03:39.17	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:03:39.20	Unknown	I would say.
00:03:39.31	Karen Hollweg	D as in D.
00:03:40.28	Karen Hollweg	Delta.
00:03:42.39	Unknown	I think we can move this forward to the next meeting. I don't think that would be a problem.
00:03:46.90	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
00:03:47.27	Helen Sobieski	Is it?
00:03:47.66	Helen Sobieski	If it's pro forma, though, could it be heard quickly just to get the first reading out of the way? If it's pro forma, I don't know if it's...
00:03:52.18	Karen Hollweg	So your colleague has asked to be removed so that we don't require him to stay here until 11 o'clock at night.
00:03:57.01	Helen Sobieski	11 o'clock at night. Could it just be knocked out?
00:04:01.90	Karen Hollweg	I defer to the council.
00:04:04.13	Helen Sobieski	How long would it take director McGowan?
00:04:10.68	Unknown	We do have a quick presentation from our consultants, so we're probably 10 to 15 minutes at least.
00:04:15.67	Unknown	for you.
00:04:16.26	Unknown	So you're at 30 minutes. Do you want to take the time? No, I think we move ahead on the housing element. That's what I would prefer. Just for this evening, it's a pact. Okay.
00:04:18.56	Karen Hollweg	I just know.
00:04:22.40	Karen Hollweg	Okay, seeing that our chambers are packed, I will entertain a motion to continue this item to February 18th.
00:04:36.14	Karen Hollweg	So moved.
00:04:36.97	Unknown	Thank you.
00:04:37.34	Unknown	Thank you.
00:04:37.37	Woodside	Second.
00:04:38.70	Unknown	All in favor? Aye.
00:04:39.62	Karen Hollweg	Aye. Aye. That motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, Mayor. We will take public comment on that item tonight, but Director McGowan, you don't need to stay for that.
00:04:41.15	Unknown	Thank you very much, Mayor.
00:04:48.22	Karen Hollweg	Okay. With that, there are no
00:04:52.86	Karen Hollweg	Oh, so now I will entertain a motion approving of the agenda.
00:04:57.47	Karen Hollweg	as amended.
00:04:58.69	Woodside	So moved.
00:05:00.47	Karen Hollweg	Second.
00:05:01.37	Unknown	All in favor?
00:05:02.45	Karen Hollweg	Aye that motion carries unanimously, there are no special presentations or mayor's announcements this evening, so we will move on to communications, due to the fact that we have a packed chambers, I am. Taking action this evening to reduce our public comment period from three minutes to two minutes for all items this evening.
00:05:02.50	Unknown	Hi.
00:05:24.37	Karen Hollweg	All right, city clerk, do we have any communications?
00:05:28.44	City Clerk	Yes, we have Babette McDougall.
00:05:30.70	Karen Hollweg	All right, would you mind passing the slips up here?
00:05:36.81	Unknown	This one.
00:05:38.32	Unknown	Yeah.
00:05:44.69	Babette McDougall	Thank you very much for recognizing me, by Bet MacDougall, Girard Avenue. So during this public comment phase, I just want to say,
00:05:52.13	Babette McDougall	that I have filed at least one letter and some letters written by others in the community. Maybe they got to you. I don't know.
00:05:58.78	Babette McDougall	but they don't have their names on it if you do have them.
00:06:01.64	Babette McDougall	because people are justifiably nervous about what's going on in this town. There is just not enough daylighting. I think that's the bottom line.
00:06:11.37	Babette McDougall	This is a town, as our city manager pointed out in this morning's State of the City event,
00:06:16.43	Babette McDougall	There's a relationship between the amount of time it takes to make something happen in this community.
00:06:21.56	Babette McDougall	and the direct involvement of the people themselves. That is not a bad problem. That's a great problem to have.
00:06:27.92	Babette McDougall	So if it takes 10 years to get the plaza just the way you want it, fine.
00:06:31.90	Babette McDougall	10 years is nothing in the big picture of time.
00:06:37.42	Babette McDougall	So I would just like to say
00:06:39.50	Babette McDougall	Once I have your attention again, do I get my time back, Walford?
00:06:43.09	Babette McDougall	Probably not. So the point is this. I still say that we do need to come together as a community. This division is not helping anyone. Now, maybe some developer will get a steal of a deal because you're keeping the community divided. Do not keep this community divided. Bring us together.
00:06:58.88	Babette McDougall	as only the council can.
00:07:01.52	Babette McDougall	Thank you.
00:07:02.45	Babette McDougall	I'm happy to yield back the remainder of my time.
00:07:05.89	Babette McDougall	Thank you. Our next speaker.
00:07:07.04	Karen Hollweg	Speaker is Jeff Jacobs.
00:07:14.81	Jeff Jacobs	Uh, hello, city council.
00:07:17.68	Jeff Jacobs	Hello, city workers and packed house. That's a really good to see.
00:07:23.81	Jeff Jacobs	It's nice that the rain has ended after four or five days. I didn't have to be in touch with whatever the daily news was, either in the media or even from my friends. I could...
00:07:37.26	Jeff Jacobs	be on a boat on Richardson's Bay in the community that has
00:07:42.37	Jeff Jacobs	Been there from before the houses were here, before the...
00:07:48.94	Jeff Jacobs	Mud.
00:07:51.32	Jeff Jacobs	at the shoreline,
00:07:57.83	Jeff Jacobs	What I want to do is I want to use this time
00:08:01.90	Jeff Jacobs	to talk about something a little more important than
00:08:05.31	Jeff Jacobs	A storm and then a rainbow afterwards.
00:08:09.29	Jeff Jacobs	This is from Exodus 15.
00:08:12.36	Jeff Jacobs	What I do is I read the portion from the week, which ups the
00:08:17.66	Jeff Jacobs	the level I think of serendipity sometimes with the issues that are happening. I'm very happy to see that there are, on the consent calendar, there's no consultant's fees.
00:08:31.82	Jeff Jacobs	Sometimes what doesn't happen is much more of a victory than what does.
00:08:39.61	Jeff Jacobs	I will sing to the Lord for he has triumphed gloriously. This is Exodus 15.
00:08:46.60	Jeff Jacobs	Horse and driver he is hurled into the sea.
00:08:50.92	Jeff Jacobs	The Lord is my strength and my might.
00:08:53.84	Jeff Jacobs	He has become my deliverance. This is my God, and I will enshrine him, the God of my Father, and I will exalt him. The Lord, the warrior.
00:09:04.84	Jeff Jacobs	The Lord is his name.
00:09:10.44	Jeff Jacobs	That right now, what I want to say is it's a time for Jubilee, not a time for America to take over the Middle East.
00:09:16.48	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. Do we have any other public?
00:09:17.97	Jeff Jacobs	I want to, you know,
00:09:18.95	City Clerk	Thank you.
00:09:19.39	Karen Hollweg	Your time is up, sir.
00:09:19.49	City Clerk	Your time is up, sir. Thank you. The absence begins on Zoom.
00:09:21.41	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:09:22.81	City Clerk	We'll start with Sandra Bushmaker.
00:09:27.88	Sandra Bushmaker	Good evening, counsel. With all the commotion that we're having at the national level and all the executive orders that have been signed and all the changes that are occurring.
00:09:36.94	Sandra Bushmaker	that we've been told in the news will affect us states and municipalities. I would like to request that
00:09:46.52	Sandra Bushmaker	the public be informed
00:09:48.65	Sandra Bushmaker	what the changes are that are affecting Sausalito. And I would also like to have a discussion about how the public will be informed about this. I think it's very important
00:09:58.71	Sandra Bushmaker	important. There's a lot of high anxiety in the community over what's happening, not related to necessarily direct Sausalito business, but which could have major impact on our community. And I would like to have be kept apprised as things happen,
00:10:16.24	Sandra Bushmaker	as to the impacts of
00:10:19.63	Sandra Bushmaker	Trump 2.0 has on our
00:10:22.75	Sandra Bushmaker	culture in it on our town. So I would request some communication from the Council as as to these effects when they happen. Thank you.
00:10:35.41	City Clerk	Yes, we have Fred.
00:10:40.17	Karen Hollweg	Fred Moore.
00:10:41.63	City Clerk	That's right, I'm assuming maybe.
00:10:46.73	Fred Moore	Hello. Again, I appreciate the council moving the communications for an agendized item to the beginning of the meeting. I would suggest that we go back to the two minutes versus a three minute time period for that, for those communications to help expedite the city council meetings. Also, I hope that the council has an opportunity to encourage the planning staff to expedite the hearing on the appeal for the Wells Fargo building and get it resolved as quickly as possible. Thank you very much.
00:11:18.78	Karen Hollweg	I'll note for the record that appeal will be heard at our February 18th meeting. Anyone else?
00:11:25.38	City Clerk	No further public comment.
00:11:27.06	City Clerk	Okay.
00:11:28.78	City Clerk	Oh, sorry.
00:11:29.15	Bert Drobnis	Oh, you.
00:11:31.06	City Clerk	Dr. Poros.
00:11:34.32	City Clerk	good evening
00:11:34.96	Bert Drobnis	Thank you.
00:11:35.35	Bert Drobnis	My first comment is directed specifically at council members Sobieski, Helen.
00:11:35.92	City Clerk	I did not receive a speech.
00:11:41.14	Karen Hollweg	You have to speak into the mic if you would, and do you mind identifying yourself?
00:11:44.88	Bert Drobnis	Oh, I'm sorry. My name is Bert Drobnis Anchorage Road.
00:11:45.09	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to go.
00:11:48.61	Bert Drobnis	Um,
00:11:49.22	Bert Drobnis	My first comment is directed specifically at council members Sobieski, Blaustein, and Kellerman.
00:11:56.56	Bert Drobnis	I have here in front of me a reprint.
00:11:59.12	Bert Drobnis	from the Sausalito Currents, and I'd like to read.
00:12:02.90	Bert Drobnis	at its meeting on July 27th, 2021.
00:12:06.30	Bert Drobnis	The city council decided that it would submit any plans for a new park adjacent
00:12:10.79	Bert Drobnis	to the Sausalito Ferry landing, to a vote of the people, I repeat, people, in accordance with the Ordinance 1128, a section of the Municipal Code that restricts changes to the uses of Municipal Parking Lot 1 through 4.
00:12:27.36	Bert Drobnis	regardless of what a vote would have or would not have shown.
00:12:31.61	Bert Drobnis	No vote was ever submitted in front of the people of this town.
00:12:37.38	Bert Drobnis	That tells me you broke your word and your trust to the people of this town.
00:12:44.22	Bert Drobnis	And if we, the people who you serve,
00:12:47.46	Bert Drobnis	cannot count on you to keep your word.
00:12:51.35	Bert Drobnis	then you don't deserve, in my opinion, to sit on the city council.
00:12:55.61	Bert Drobnis	That's number one.
00:12:57.14	Bert Drobnis	Number two.
00:12:58.17	Bert Drobnis	Ever since the city bought the Bank of America building, it has done nothing but lose money.
00:13:04.09	Bert Drobnis	It has given lucrative contracts to SCA. SCA has held...
00:13:09.39	Bert Drobnis	Over 50 events. It was supposed to split the profits 50-50. The city has not received one Lincoln penny as of yet. You are losing money.
00:13:20.21	Bert Drobnis	My suggestion is sell the goddamn building. Take the money.
00:13:24.83	Bert Drobnis	improve the roads, which are some of the worst in the county, and improve the infrastructure of this town, which both have been neglected for years upon years, including the 42 years that I have lived in this town. Thank you very much.
00:13:40.19	Helen Sobieski	I see.
00:13:40.46	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to respond first. I appreciate that everyone is passionate about their views. I would ask that you refrain from...
00:13:40.53	Helen Sobieski	Thank you.
00:13:40.56	Bert Drobnis	Thank you.
00:13:41.07	Helen Sobieski	the
00:13:41.12	Bert Drobnis	Thank you.
00:13:41.13	Helen Sobieski	I,
00:13:41.27	Bert Drobnis	Thank you.
00:13:50.50	Karen Hollweg	cursing while speaking publicly.
00:13:53.71	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:13:53.76	Helen Sobieski	Since I was called out, I just like a point of personal privilege, sir, that your facts are incorrect. The matter you're speaking about in July of 2021 concerned my vision for the redevelopment of all downtown. Council Member Hoffman and I rewrote the measure. The currents, of course, aren't the definitive document the minutes are. If you'll go to that meeting and the motion, it was around a redevelopment of the entire area that white trigger 1128. Totally separate from that, a totally separate project that predated my time on the city council was the ferry landing project. And that of course moved forward at its own pace and with its own restrictions. So I wanted just to correct the record that you've just confused the facts of matter.
00:14:37.14	Karen Hollweg	All right, anything else? City Clerk? See none. Okay. With that, we'll move on to the consent calendar.
00:14:46.59	Karen Hollweg	removal of items from the consent calendar matters listed under the consent calendar considered routine and non controversial require no discussion are expected to have unanimous counsel support. and may be enacted by the Council in one motion in the form listed below, there will be no separate discussion of consent calendar items, however, before the Council votes on a motion to adopt the consent calendar.
00:15:08.85	Karen Hollweg	Council members may request the specific items be removed from the council consent calendar for separate action. So we have items 3 a through 3 h on our consent calendar.
00:15:18.62	Karen Hollweg	3A, Black History Month Proclamation. 3B, adopt the minutes from January 21st.
00:15:24.26	Karen Hollweg	2025.
00:15:25.93	Karen Hollweg	receive and file the Saucedo City Council strategic planning report submitted by facilitator
00:15:31.19	Karen Hollweg	Amy Howarth of the Municipal Resource Group
00:15:34.62	Karen Hollweg	3D, receive and file the fiscal year 2024-25 quarter two report from the library.
00:15:40.14	Karen Hollweg	3E, adopt a resolution increasing the contingency for the Dorothy Gibson House Improvement Project, located at 429 1⁄2 Johnson Street by $100,000, funded by a state and county grant.
00:15:50.60	Karen Hollweg	and authorize the city manager to execute the necessary change orders to complete the project
00:15:55.11	Karen Hollweg	3F receive and file the Treasurer's Report for December 31, 2024.
00:15:59.53	Karen Hollweg	3G, approve California Employers Retiree Benefit Trust Program Agreement and election to pre-fund other post-employment benefits through CalPERS authorized city management.
00:16:09.43	Karen Hollweg	and director of finance to transfer the funds from PARS to CERBT program and adopt a resolution delegating authority to city manager and director of finance to approve disbursements and 3-H waiver of the second reading and adoption of ordinance number 01-2025 an ordinance of the city council of city of Sausalito amending its accessory dwelling unit and junior accessory dwelling unit regulations.
00:16:36.14	Karen Hollweg	Are there any questions on consent items?
00:16:39.23	Helen Sobieski	Yeah, the report on our strategic planning meeting, I noted omitted something that we had, I believe, confirmed on the dais, and that was that the city council committed itself to identifying, it's an ambitious goal, at least $3 million more in annual recurring revenue. And I'd love that inserted specifically in there.
00:16:59.08	Helen Sobieski	The report agreed upon parity.
00:17:01.12	Unknown	Okay, thanks.
00:17:02.72	Woodside	I have just a question about
00:17:04.95	Woodside	We're receiving and accepting the report. These are priorities that were determined, obviously.
00:17:07.33	Unknown	Yeah.
00:17:07.40	Karen Hollweg	THE FAMILY.
00:17:10.55	Woodside	after that long session.
00:17:12.93	Karen Hollweg	Correct. We will return to identify an implementation plan.
00:17:13.09	Woodside	Correct.
00:17:16.93	Woodside	Got it. So that was my question. Thank you for the answer.
00:17:20.14	Karen Hollweg	You're welcome.
00:17:21.51	Helen Sobieski	But just if I might follow on mayor on to that question, there are additional priorities through the course of the year, excepting these, this report doesn't prevent us from adding priorities as we see necessary through the course of the year.
00:17:34.55	Karen Hollweg	If a majority of the council votes on them, yes. But this sets the city manager and staff's priorities for the year in terms of their allocation of resources.
00:17:45.54	Karen Hollweg	Okay, any other questions on consent calendar?
00:17:49.16	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I'll open it up to public comment on the consent calendar.
00:17:55.19	Karen Hollweg	Do you have any speaker slips? Yeah, we have.
00:17:55.47	City Clerk	speaker slipping.
00:17:56.94	City Clerk	We had one slip, but I think Mr. Drobius actually spoke on public comment. I don't think he wanted to speak for consent.
00:18:04.13	Sergio	And Mayor, did you still want to pull item 3H?
00:18:07.25	Sergio	the second reading of the AD ordinance in light of the letter from Cal HPF.
00:18:13.70	Karen Hollweg	Okay, so, Council Members, we received a communication late this afternoon from the City Attorney identifying some potential changes to the ADU ordinance. We could pull this item, make those changes this evening and start over. I'd rather approve this item and bring back changes at a later date.
00:18:34.86	Unknown	Thank you.
00:18:37.58	Unknown	Sorry, let me ask for clarification on that. So we have an ADU ordinance on our consent calendar item, but we know from a communication from our city attorney that that needs to be amended. Yes.
00:18:50.02	Karen Hollweg	He's giving us the opportunity to consider amending it. We received a letter.
00:18:56.60	Karen Hollweg	objecting to language. He does not believe the letter has legal basis, but to avoid risk, we could amend it.
00:19:03.90	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:19:03.92	Unknown	Okay.
00:19:04.27	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:19:05.17	Unknown	Um,
00:19:08.53	Unknown	Okay, thank you for that.
00:19:10.59	Woodside	I just want to say I'm prepared to move forward on this one. And if there are issues that come up with respect to ADU, and there should be if we go forward, we can always revisit it. I think there's risk the other way if we didn't follow through and adopt it. And that was all explained at the last meeting.
00:19:19.87	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:19:25.87	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
00:19:27.19	Karen Hollweg	And we've already given direction to staff to do more work and to come back to us. So I'd like to have staff come back to us to address the issue raised by the city attorney, as well as the other issues that we gave staff direction to address.
00:19:40.22	Karen Hollweg	Is that clear, city attorney? Do you know what I'm referring to? Yes, thank you.
00:19:41.87	Unknown	Thank you.
00:19:44.07	Karen Hollweg	If that's the consensus. Okay. Any other public comment on the consent calendar?
00:19:50.09	Karen Hollweg	All right, seeing none, I'll bring it back up here.
00:19:51.96	Woodside	Very briefly, one of the things that was raised by members of the public as well as just common sense,
00:19:59.51	Woodside	ADUs in high fire danger areas is one of the issues we were asking people to, the staff to look into.
00:20:07.17	Unknown	Right.
00:20:07.20	Woodside	Right.
00:20:07.69	Woodside	So I just want to make that clear. It's not always clear to members of the public what's coming back. Thank you.
00:20:14.19	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent calendar with the revision to item 3C enunciated by Councilmember Sobieski.
00:20:29.00	Unknown	Thank you.
00:20:29.04	Karen Hollweg	Second.
00:20:29.22	Unknown	Thank you.
00:20:29.68	Karen Hollweg	all of us.
00:20:29.81	Unknown	and think about it.
00:20:30.03	Karen Hollweg	favor.
00:20:31.11	Unknown	Thank you.
00:20:31.13	Karen Hollweg	Aye.
00:20:31.40	Unknown	I'm not sure.
00:20:31.43	Unknown	Thank you.
00:20:34.40	Karen Hollweg	That motion carries unanimously. All right, we'll move now on to business items. Our first business item is...
00:20:41.04	Karen Hollweg	5A, study session and presentation regarding draft amended 2023-31 housing element, including draft general plan amendments and modified amended housing element. And we'll welcome...
00:20:52.85	Karen Hollweg	our community
00:20:54.74	Karen Hollweg	and Economic Development Director, Brandon Phipps.
00:20:57.98	Unknown	May I make a Levin Act disclosure just in advance of the conversation? In the event that Site 67 does come up and is discussed during my campaign, I received $1,250 total in contribution from different members of the Berg family. I have subsequently returned $750 as displayed in my latest filing. So I just wanted to make sure that it was clear that it is compliant with the Levin Act and in doing so also announced said contributions.
00:21:01.47	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:21:01.59	Karen Hollweg	.
00:21:21.08	Karen Hollweg	Are there any other Levine Act announcements regarding this item?
00:21:26.16	Karen Hollweg	Okay, seeing none. Director Phipps.
00:21:28.08	Brandon Phipps	Good evening to you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council members, members of the public and staff. Happy to be here joining you as always this time to introduce item 5A, as stated by the mayor, a study session and presentation regarding the draft amended 2023-2031 housing element, including draft general plan amendments and a modified amended housing element as a project alternative.
00:21:49.85	Brandon Phipps	As Council is aware, and as was most recently heard by Council, minus current Vice Mayor, at an October 1, 2024 study session, the City has been working on an amended housing element, which includes changes to a number of the programs in the City's adopted housing element, including Program 4,
00:22:07.60	Brandon Phipps	related to our inventory of sites program eight related to public property conversion to housing program 16 related to zoning ordinance amendments and program 19 development review procedures which we will be discussing later on this evening more specifically as part of city council's agenda item 5b related to the objective development and design standards part of this process has also included revising the amended housing element to address comments received from the Department of Housing and Community Development based on a letter they provided to the Community Development Department in response to our amended housing element on November 4, 2024.
00:22:47.77	Brandon Phipps	Staff have also prepared a modified amended housing element based on city council input from the October one study session. And this is considered as an alternative to the amended housing element process and was primarily crafted to address potential shortfall as related to arena if certain ballot pressures fail.
00:23:08.39	Brandon Phipps	And before I pass it off to Beth Thompson of DeNovo Planning Group to discuss details associated with this item, I'd just like to remind council and the public of the need to meet state timelines to have an adopted housing element and conduct the required follow-on rezoning by January 30, 2026. Staff have developed an aggressive schedule in order to support a special ballot measure in June of this year for the rezoning of certain opportunity sites and details associated with this timeline are outlined in our staff report. Thank you very much, counsel, I am and will be here to answer any questions. If there are no questions before we jump in, I will pass the mic to Miss Thompson. That floor is yours.
00:23:55.16	Karen Hollweg	Thank you, Director Phipps. Welcome. Thank you.
00:23:56.72	Brandon Phipps	Thank you.
00:23:56.94	Brandon Phipps	Thank you.
00:24:00.13	Karen Hollweg	Welcome Beth Thompson, can you hear us?
00:24:02.67	Beth Thompson	Yeah, I'm sorry, I just was promoted to a panelist, so.
00:24:06.15	Beth Thompson	Excuse me for a moment while I get my
00:24:08.35	Beth Thompson	screen set up and I'll be ready to share my presentation here.
00:24:13.14	Karen Hollweg	And can I
00:24:15.95	Karen Hollweg	As a personal...
00:24:17.96	Karen Hollweg	privilege remind you of a request from our last meeting that you slow down by 30%.
00:24:24.36	Unknown	Thank you.
00:24:25.73	Karen Hollweg	I will attempt to do so.
00:24:29.18	Karen Hollweg	Thank you so much.
00:24:31.70	Beth Thompson	Always, always a pleasure. So, and feel free to remind me if I start.
00:24:37.15	Beth Thompson	going too quickly.
00:24:39.06	Beth Thompson	So I'll just go through my presentation and I've tried to keep it succinct while
00:24:45.15	Beth Thompson	Also recognizing that there's a lot to talk about in terms of the modifications to the housing elements. So we'll quickly go through the housing element background
00:24:53.42	Beth Thompson	The project description for the amended housing element
00:24:56.61	Beth Thompson	and discuss the Department of Housing and Community Development comments that were preliminarily received on the draft revisions and then discuss an alternative option, the modified housing element.
00:25:08.52	Beth Thompson	The city adopted its updated housing element of the general plan on January 30th of 2023.
00:25:14.85	Beth Thompson	The housing element addresses how the city will meet state housing requirements, including accommodating Sausalito's regional housing need allocation or RENA of 724 units. And the adopted housing element is available on the city's website, along with the various meetings and materials related to the adoption of the housing element for anyone interested in diving into all of that background information.
00:25:39.01	Beth Thompson	The proposed project that we're discussing tonight is the adoption and implementation of an amended housing element. And that's provided as part of your staff report. It was initially attachment one, so I apologize for this slide. It's now attachment three, I believe. And it includes changes to several components of the housing element. It would revise housing plan program four, which is intended to ensure the inventory of sites accommodates the arena throughout the planning period.
00:26:03.57	Beth Thompson	To add to new housing and mixed use zones that correspond with lower minimum density, so it would have a new housing 29 and a mixed use 29 85% overlay zone. To provide some lower densities for some of the housing sites and that will encourage more variety and housing types will continue to accommodate the city's Reno requirements and continues to affirmatively further fair housing requirements.
00:26:28.86	Beth Thompson	There are some changes to housing plan program eight public property conversion to housing to address making publicly owned sites available for development during the 2023 to 2031 planning period this includes removal of the caltrans site which we'll talk about in a few more slides as well.
00:26:45.42	Beth Thompson	And then some changes to housing plan program 19 which addresses development review procedures just to clarify implementation of the city's housing streamlining provisions. Including the odds, the objective design and development standards, and that is a separate study session item this evening.
00:27:02.73	Beth Thompson	So going through some of the changes to program four,
00:27:06.14	Beth Thompson	There were several sites that were removed. There were some that were added and then some that were adjusted. So site 85, which is a long bridgeway. And as part of the right of way, that's attributed to Caltrans is removed that site.
00:27:18.91	Beth Thompson	The city reached out, was not able to
00:27:21.58	Beth Thompson	further any activity on that site so that site would be removed and would reduce the city's capacity by about 25 units site 201 at 931 to 933 bridgeway is also removed and then there are two new sites that are added that are also in the northern portion of the city on bridgeway site 401 at 2400 bridgeway which is currently the fedex office would be a new site that's added and the owner there is interested in converting a portion of the site to accommodate housing that would be a mixed use 29 unit per acre with a portion of the site accommodating non residential uses and then site 402.
00:27:57.14	Beth Thompson	This would be a portion of the
00:27:59.72	Beth Thompson	PAVED AREA OF THE SITE AT 2680 BRIDGEWAY, CURRENTLY A STORAGE SITE. AND THAT WOULD BE THAT PORTION WOULD BE REZONE WITH THE HOUSING
00:28:08.68	Beth Thompson	49 overlay.
00:28:12.44	Beth Thompson	There are a number of sites that are modified. Most of these sites that are modified where
00:28:17.83	Beth Thompson	We're just seeing some minor adjustments where sites 79 and 81, those were recalculated just based on minimum density. And then a number of sites were
00:28:26.89	Beth Thompson	As I had mentioned, have the density reduced, so the density is reduced from the 49 units per acre to 29 units per acre on a number of sites. And these are sites generally that are a long bridgeway near the waterfront of the city or sites in the historic downtown. So this is intended to
00:28:44.15	Beth Thompson	Maintain more traditional building heights in these areas to be more consistent with the historic downtown form.
00:28:52.01	Beth Thompson	And it's a...
00:28:52.91	Beth Thompson	better facilitate housing projects in these areas.
00:28:58.14	Beth Thompson	So these modifications occurred to sites
00:29:00.81	Beth Thompson	23, 24, 39, 44,
00:29:05.38	Beth Thompson	47.
00:29:07.18	Beth Thompson	And these are all reduced from 49 units to an acre to 29 units an acre. And then site 55 was reduced from 70 units an acre to 49. This is one of the sites that's not in the downtown or along the waterfront. So this was just an adjustment.
00:29:21.98	Beth Thompson	to the
00:29:22.86	Beth Thompson	the higher densities that weren't necessarily as appropriate for that site.
00:29:27.15	Beth Thompson	site 84, the MLK Park site.
00:29:29.76	Beth Thompson	was increased from 80 units to 94 units.
00:29:34.74	Beth Thompson	Site 201 at 605 Bridgeway was decreased from 20 to 11 units. Another one of the adjustments from 49 to 29 units per acre. Similarly, sites 207, 301,
00:29:46.27	Beth Thompson	were also decreased from 49 to 29 units per acre.
00:29:51.01	Beth Thompson	Site 303, which is one in 3 Harbor Drive. This is one in Northern Sausalito.
00:29:56.71	Beth Thompson	This site doesn't have any change to the designation,
00:30:00.34	Beth Thompson	But the area of the site that it would be applied to was increased to increase the overall units from 90 to 129.
00:30:11.66	Beth Thompson	So this these changes would continue to accommodate the city's arena, the city has a regional housing need allocation of 724 units.
00:30:19.95	Beth Thompson	These changes to the potential opportunity sites would still accommodate 697 units and when that's added to the existing capacity of 261 units. would yield a total capacity of 958 units which exceeds the regional housing need allocation and it provides for a small buffer.
00:30:39.44	Beth Thompson	at all of the income levels. So a more modest buffer at the very low and low income level and a larger buffer at the moderate and above moderate income levels.
00:30:50.53	Beth Thompson	A number of these sites are constrained by Ordinance 1028 and Ordinance 1122. So these sites would require a vote of the people. And so when we look at these constraints, it becomes clear why these need to go to a vote, because these sites total
00:31:07.67	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:31:08.28	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
00:31:08.31	Karen Hollweg	We have MLK, which is- I'm going to ask you to slow down. A couple of people in that audience are having a hard time understanding you.
00:31:15.54	Karen Hollweg	Okay. Your words are not as clearly enunciated as mine are right now.
00:31:15.59	Unknown	Okay.
00:31:16.14	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
00:31:21.49	Beth Thompson	I will enunciate more clearly. Thank you. Thank you.
00:31:26.37	Beth Thompson	So a number of the sites that are identified as the opportunity sites that would be rezoned to accommodate higher densities of housing, both
00:31:35.38	Beth Thompson	housing
00:31:36.75	Beth Thompson	the H-29, H-49, H-70 overlay zones, as well as the various mixed-use overlays that allow housing at densities of 29, 49, and 70 units per acre are constrained by
00:31:49.18	Beth Thompson	City ordinances that require sites in that are park sites and parking sites to go to a vote of the people, as well as sites affected by the fair traffic initiative. So the sites affected by the fair traffic initiative.
00:32:03.12	Beth Thompson	Total 358 units.
00:32:05.82	Beth Thompson	And those include 92 very low, 51 low, three moderate, and 161 above moderate income units. And then sites constrained by ordinance 1128, that's just the one site, the MLK site, site 84, and that's proposed for 94 units. And I will note that the modified project alternative that we'll discuss in a few slides would reduce the units at the MLK site.
00:32:29.38	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
00:32:29.40	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
00:32:30.60	Karen Hollweg	I am so sorry, but
00:32:32.57	Karen Hollweg	It's just.
00:32:33.68	Karen Hollweg	You just have to really pretend that you're speaking to a child.
00:32:39.13	Karen Hollweg	I will.
00:32:39.15	Beth Thompson	I will.
00:32:39.98	Beth Thompson	Keep slowing down.
00:32:41.55	Karen Hollweg	Yeah, so just for clarity, you were saying that Site 84 is currently in the housing element at 94, but there's a proposal in the amended housing element to reduce the density to 80.
00:32:53.41	Beth Thompson	So the housing site 84 is currently in the housing element to accommodate 80 units, the amended housing element would increase it to 94.
00:33:03.20	Beth Thompson	And then we also have an alternative to the amended housing element that would reduce it back to 80 and provide for further reduction.
00:33:11.11	Beth Thompson	project.
00:33:12.24	Beth Thompson	would increase it to 94. So that there's an increase there, but we have an alternative
00:33:17.96	Beth Thompson	That would decrease it.
00:33:19.53	Beth Thompson	And we'll talk about that alternative in a few slides.
00:33:22.87	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:33:23.30	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I think that is contrary to direction
00:33:26.65	Karen Hollweg	received that that is that is just not at all.
00:33:32.63	Karen Hollweg	um,
00:33:33.74	Karen Hollweg	And the program I saw had an option between 80 and 50.
00:33:38.06	Beth Thompson	Correct. That is the modified housing element. So that's the alternative. So we have
00:33:42.82	Beth Thompson	The housing element that was addressed in the draft EIR that has it at 94, and that's the project. And then we have an alternative to the project, which has been addressed in the recirculated draft EIR that would reduce that to 80 or 50. And we'll get to that one in a few slides.
00:33:59.29	Karen Hollweg	Okay, so is it the adopted one that has it at 94?
00:34:02.62	Beth Thompson	Now the adopted has it at 80,
00:34:04.78	Beth Thompson	And then when the
00:34:06.51	Beth Thompson	Revised housing element, the potential drafts that were published for consideration were published last August, along with the accompanying EIR, that would have increased it to 94.
00:34:19.24	Beth Thompson	And that's the proposed project that's addressed in the EIR as well as in the recirculated EIR. And then we have an alternative to reduce it.
00:34:29.16	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:34:33.19	Beth Thompson	So these revisions, as I had mentioned, affect Programs 4, Programs 8, and then we also have, when the city's implementing the housing element, there are no changes to Program 16, but that's another program that the city will be implementing
00:34:48.43	Beth Thompson	in the near term with the adoption of the housing element. And that's a number of zoning ordinance amendments that would
00:34:55.74	Beth Thompson	rezone sites and make changes to the zoning ordinance to streamline the residential provisions of the zoning code.
00:35:03.26	Beth Thompson	to address some potential constraints to a variety of housing types and to ensure that sites are available for development.
00:35:13.44	Beth Thompson	As well, the city would be implementing program 19 related to development review procedures. This addresses the streamlining requirements of the XB 35 and the objective design standards of SB 330 and that
00:35:25.03	Beth Thompson	The objective design and development standards will be a separate study.
00:35:29.37	Beth Thompson	session item this evening.
00:35:32.71	Beth Thompson	So HCD, the Department of Housing and Community Development, did review the draft amended housing element, and they provided findings to the city regarding whether or not the element substantially complied with state law, and they identified that
00:35:46.50	Beth Thompson	concerns and comments related to a number of issues where they requested further information prior to being able to find it in substantial compliance.
00:35:55.36	Beth Thompson	These relate to the suitability of the non-vacant sites
00:35:58.65	Beth Thompson	proposed modifications to site 201.
00:36:01.63	Beth Thompson	and use of
00:36:03.09	Beth Thompson	The housing overlays that require a minimum of 85% residential uses and changes to program 19.
00:36:10.46	Beth Thompson	And in the materials in the staff report,
00:36:13.73	Beth Thompson	attachment.
00:36:14.98	Beth Thompson	Four is the letter from HCD and attachment five is a matrix that provides the city's response to each of these findings. So it provides information regarding the methodology used to determine the.
00:36:26.64	Beth Thompson	suitability of non vacant sites, which is similar to what's in the adopted housing elements. So just some refining of that language provides the reasoning before.
00:36:35.99	Beth Thompson	the,
00:36:36.48	Beth Thompson	behind the changes to Site 201,
00:36:38.74	Beth Thompson	Discusses that the housing overlays that require a mini minimum of 85% residential uses would not constrain sites that have existing non residential uses that their provisions to allow existing non residential uses to continue. And to be incorporated into new development proposals that would increase residential uses on this property.
00:36:59.24	Beth Thompson	properties, and then it also, we also responded to the concerns related to the proposed changes to program 19.
00:37:06.01	Beth Thompson	And that's, as I mentioned, is detailed and attachment five.
00:37:14.82	Beth Thompson	So in addition to the, I'm going to.
00:37:16.80	Unknown	I'm gonna-
00:37:17.40	Beth Thompson	housing.
00:37:17.76	Unknown	Thank you.
00:37:17.89	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
00:37:18.03	Unknown	Thank you.
00:37:18.04	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to allow...
00:37:20.07	Unknown	I just want to clarify a really key point that came from the letter from HCD, and I think that you've addressed it in how you review Program 19. But just to reiterate, it says the revised element now proposes a staggered timeline based on implementation of the re-zones. Re-zones must be completed by January 31, 2026, including for sites subject to restriction or existing voter initiative. So just to reiterate, that's the timeline that we're working with. It just hasn't been highlighted in the presentation, and I think it's a really critical. Brandon announced it. Right. But I mean. restriction or existing voter initiative. So just to reiterate, that's the timeline that we're working with. It just hasn't been highlighted in the presentation. And I think it's a really critical- Brandon announcement. Right, but I mean, I'm trying to slow down this pace
00:37:20.09	Karen Hollweg	I,
00:37:49.01	Unknown	Thank you.
00:37:49.06	Beth Thompson	Right.
00:37:49.70	Unknown	I'm not sure.
00:37:52.97	Unknown	Okay.
00:37:53.84	Unknown	Thank you, Beth. Okay.
00:37:55.37	Beth Thompson	Thank you, and that that is an important date to remember that you do need to have all of those reasons completed within three years of the initial housing element adoption, so you are you are on a tight timeline to continue with any changes to the housing element and moving forward with the rezoning.
00:38:03.17	Unknown	element of dot.
00:38:04.20	Unknown	So you are.
00:38:13.29	Beth Thompson	So in addition to the
00:38:15.40	Beth Thompson	the,
00:38:16.18	Beth Thompson	housing element project, the amended housing element
00:38:19.86	Beth Thompson	Additional changes have been made to the document and those are presented as a modified amended housing element and that was prepared as an alternative to the amended housing element project following.
00:38:30.78	Beth Thompson	community input on the amended housing element. And so this modified amended housing element
00:38:36.90	Beth Thompson	focuses on implementing city council input from your October 1st, 2024 study session, and these include
00:38:44.87	Beth Thompson	changes to site 84 so looking at maintaining or reducing the adopted number of units on site 84 so they would either be maintained at 80 as is in the adopted housing element or potentially reduced even further to 50 units or or reduced more this includes provisions to study spencer avenue fire station and city hall sites to offset any reductions in units and then to consider increases
00:39:12.20	Beth Thompson	Sites 202, the Altamira site, 401, the FedEx site, and sites with significant parking areas, including the site 303, 1 and 3 Harbor Drive, site 72, and site 402. So we looked at a number of these recommendations and incorporated these into the modified amended housing elements.
00:39:32.55	Beth Thompson	So there are three different opportunity sites scenarios identified for the modified housing element.
00:39:38.19	Beth Thompson	And there is some flexibility in the way the modified housing element is written. So it's following...
00:39:44.72	Beth Thompson	there.
00:39:45.48	Beth Thompson	the meeting with the Planning Commission, we did make some additional revisions to provide some more flexibility and
00:39:52.08	Beth Thompson	how the city implements this, this, um,
00:39:54.93	Beth Thompson	this housing element were it to be
00:39:56.69	Beth Thompson	approved. So there would be
00:39:58.61	Beth Thompson	Primarily the three opportunity sites with some flexibility.
00:40:02.22	Beth Thompson	So under the first scenario, site 84, the MLK site, would be reduced from 94 to 80 units. This would continue to require passage of a ballot measure to authorize development of the MLK property related to the restrictions in ordinance 1128.
00:40:19.80	Beth Thompson	There's a second scenario that would accommodate site 84 being further reduced to 50 units. So instead of the 94, the 80, it would now be 50 units. This would also require a passage of a ballot measure.
00:40:32.97	Beth Thompson	And then there's also a scenario where the MLK site would not be developed.
00:40:37.25	Beth Thompson	And the modified housing element includes provisions. If there's a shortfall of sites to meet the arena,
00:40:43.82	Beth Thompson	The city could take a number of steps. Site 202 could have an increase in the minimum number of units. That's the Altamira site. So the maximum would not be increased, but the minimum requirement for that site would be increased.
00:40:57.50	Beth Thompson	And then there's also the provision to look at rezoning site 14, the Spencer Avenue fire station and site 52, the city hall parking lot to accommodate up to 20 to 25 units each. And we've also further refined this to allow the city to consider some other sites as well, as long as they meet.
00:41:13.69	Beth Thompson	the non-vacant methodology provided in the housing element, or they're a vacant site. So there's a number of
00:41:20.81	Beth Thompson	scenarios that the city could explore.
00:41:23.69	Beth Thompson	We're the city to have
00:41:24.99	Beth Thompson	a shortfall to accommodate the arena. So the modified amended housing element looks at reducing units on the MLK site and then exploring some other alternatives if there is a shortfall of sites to meet the arena.
00:41:39.03	Beth Thompson	And this is an alternative to the project.
00:41:41.45	Beth Thompson	And it's intended, as I mentioned, to just address the potential for a shortfall of sites. So if a ballot measure fails and you need to identify additional sites, this has been crafted with the intent of not having to go back and continually
00:41:56.23	Beth Thompson	revise and amend the housing element, but to provide a path and a methodology to identify additional sites.
00:42:08.85	Beth Thompson	And I won't, I think I've,
00:42:10.45	Beth Thompson	Karen Hollweg, described these, but the changes would be at site at for the mlk site and then site 14 is the Spencer avenue fire station site we kept the site number from the previous iteration of the housing element that wasn't adopted as well as site 52 city hall parking lot.
00:42:27.33	Beth Thompson	So both of those sites would be included if needed, and there's flexibility to also look at other sites in lieu of those sites.
00:42:37.76	Beth Thompson	Under these various scenarios, we have scenario one, which would keep MLK at 80 units. There would continue to be a surplus of sites to accommodate the re-net, 220 units.
00:42:49.37	Unknown	units.
00:42:50.43	Beth Thompson	with a surplus at all of the income levels.
00:42:53.92	Beth Thompson	under scenario two,
00:42:55.86	Beth Thompson	where the MLK site is reduced to 50 units,
00:42:59.73	Beth Thompson	There would also be a surplus, although a smaller one to accommodate the arena.
00:43:05.01	Beth Thompson	And then under scenario three, where the MLK site is removed and then city owned sites, the city controlled sites like the Spencer Avenue fire station and city hall or alternative sites are selected. There would still continue to be.
00:43:19.15	Beth Thompson	a surplus of sites to accommodate the arena, it would get a little smaller. It would continue to just get tighter as we lose sites, but this vision would hopefully maintain adequate sites to accommodate the arena throughout the planning period.
00:43:33.61	Beth Thompson	There is additional information regarding the housing element amendment on the city's webpage. So the city has information regarding the housing element update, as well as the proposed amendment and the materials created for the amendment.
00:43:46.19	Beth Thompson	And then as well as the information I've presented in your staff report materials tonight, we have created a couple of additional figures. We had a lot of comments from the planning commission regarding
00:43:57.68	Beth Thompson	interest in knowing which specific sites were being discussed and some simpler graphics, because we had a lot of very colorful graphics that were, I think, hard to wade through. So we have a few simplified maps that just show the sites proposed for discussion. And the sites that do not have a star are the sites that are proposed for modification. The sites with the asterisks sites 14 and 52 are the sites that are only affected by the modified project alternative.
00:44:07.52	Unknown	Yeah.
00:44:27.78	Beth Thompson	And we also have that similar figure just showing the city's existing zoning designations in the background.
00:44:35.28	Beth Thompson	And so with that,
00:44:37.23	Beth Thompson	I will pause and I would be happy to answer any questions or go over any of the materials.
00:44:44.51	Karen Hollweg	So a question that came up during your presentation. Thank you, Beth, for that presentation. Thank you for all your hard work on this.
00:44:51.24	Karen Hollweg	truly a heavy lift and a very complex
00:44:54.97	Karen Hollweg	document and process.
00:44:58.73	Karen Hollweg	You know, one of the attachments to our staff report is draft general plan amendments to the land use community design and circulation and parking chapters. So did you want to comment briefly on those proposed amendments.
00:45:13.46	Beth Thompson	Sure, I'd be happy to go over those materials.
00:45:16.91	Beth Thompson	the
00:45:17.65	Beth Thompson	Draft amendments to the general plan are intended to
00:45:22.27	Beth Thompson	support the changes that are identified in the housing elements. So there are changes to the land use element that would create the overlays that are identified in the housing element. So the housing 29, housing 49, and housing 70 overlay, as well as the mixed use 29, mixed use 49, and mixed use 70 overlay. So these land use element would be revised to include these specific overlay designations to describe those and to identify the maximum number of units, as well as the allowed floor area ratio for non-residential uses, the land use map.
00:45:58.22	Beth Thompson	would be revised to apply these overlays. So it would be revised to apply the overlays to the sites as shown in this figure. It would just be laid over the land use map
00:46:08.97	Beth Thompson	Some numbers are adjusted regarding the total build out numbers that could occur with the changes to the housing element as it would increase the capacity compared to the
00:46:17.88	Beth Thompson	General plan as it was approved. So some changes to projected growth are being made.
00:46:22.63	Beth Thompson	And then we've also modified a number of the policies and programs to ensure that there are no conflicts between the housing element
00:46:30.68	Beth Thompson	and the general plan. So the land use element, community design element, and transportation element have some minor
00:46:37.70	Beth Thompson	minor changes to ensure that there are no conflicts. None of these changes would increase capacity beyond what's envisioned in the housing element.
00:46:50.63	Unknown	I have a follow-up.
00:46:51.03	Karen Hollweg	Thank you for that. I'm going to turn it over to Councilmember Hoffman for a follow-up question.
00:46:55.52	Unknown	Beth, do the changes in the modifications to the general plan mirror
00:47:04.33	Unknown	the housing element.
00:47:07.91	Beth Thompson	They do mirror the housing element. There are a few areas where we have policy and program changes that.
00:47:15.10	Beth Thompson	implement the housing elements, they don't necessarily repeat the housing element, but they
00:47:20.51	Beth Thompson	Follow the intent of the housing element.
00:47:23.69	Unknown	Are there any changes in the general plan that in any way deviate from the housing element?
00:47:31.59	Unknown	And if so, what are they?
00:47:32.12	Beth Thompson	There.
00:47:33.73	Unknown	Yeah.
00:47:33.80	Beth Thompson	There are...
00:47:33.95	Unknown	I'm sorry.
00:47:33.97	Beth Thompson	There are none, at least none that are intended to deviate. So all of the changes are intended to be consistent with the housing element.
00:47:43.58	Unknown	Are, are, where would I look if I wanted to check and, and so the changes are consistent, where would I?
00:47:47.51	Beth Thompson	So.
00:47:49.74	Beth Thompson	Attachment seven provides all of those changes and we have included them in track changes. So an underlying instruction.
00:47:57.91	Beth Thompson	I do so the blue underlined text would be the new language included in the general plan.
00:48:02.43	Beth Thompson	The red strikethrough language would be what is deleted.
00:48:07.14	Unknown	Okay.
00:48:07.75	Unknown	Thank you.
00:48:08.27	Karen Hollweg	So it's roughly 100 pages, pages 301 to 412 of our page.
00:48:16.61	Karen Hollweg	packet.
00:48:18.18	Karen Hollweg	And they are red line and there are not that many red lines.
00:48:23.02	Karen Hollweg	Yes, it's a lot more pages than changes.
00:48:23.04	Beth Thompson	Yes, it's a lot more pages than changes.
00:48:26.34	Unknown	Okay, thank you.
00:48:27.04	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:48:28.03	Karen Hollweg	Other questions of staff?
00:48:30.83	Karen Hollweg	I-
00:48:32.18	Karen Hollweg	Go ahead.
00:48:34.33	Woodside	I have a couple questions, but just for clarity's sake and so everyone in the audience knows, this is a workshop. We're not making a final decision tonight. We want to hear from the public on all of these issues, and it is terribly complex and hard to follow. And there was a lot of pages to read to be prepared for tonight. I just want to say that before asking a couple simple questions the recommendations that are coming from our consultant had to do with the removal of a couple of sites and my question is what happens if we were to direct removal of other sites and i'll just give an example mlk
00:49:18.74	Beth Thompson	So MLK, the removal of MLK is considered in the modified project alternative and explored in the final EIR. So.
00:49:28.46	Beth Thompson	While the EIR
00:49:30.47	Beth Thompson	Well, we, you don't have an EIR that has that as the proposed project. We've tried to account for that possibility with alternative five, so.
00:49:40.07	Beth Thompson	Were that to be removed, you could move forward with the modified project alternative. If other sites are removed, we would have to look at whether or not you would continue to have capacity to accommodate the RHNA and if additional sites would need to be included to offset those sites.
00:49:56.26	Beth Thompson	And what,
00:49:57.98	Beth Thompson	what the effect would be of those additional sites. And that could require additional environmental review and time to circulate the environmental document and prepare the amended housing element document. So it would really depend on the nature and degree of those changes.
00:50:13.32	Woodside	So if I can just for clarity sake, my understanding from your answer is we have more flexibility under the documents presented to us and the environmental review to remove the MLK site, but we have less flexibility and a lot more work to do if we were to consider removal of other sites. Is that fair? That is correct. Thank you. So.
00:50:35.37	Karen Hollweg	That is correct.
00:50:37.90	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:50:38.07	Karen Hollweg	But if we removed MLK, the program that removes MLK adds other sites in its stead, is that right?
00:50:46.59	Karen Hollweg	It.
00:50:46.74	Beth Thompson	It provides for the consideration of other sites and if needed identifies two specific sites that could be used to accommodate the arena and provides a path to evaluate the
00:50:55.03	Karen Hollweg	you
00:50:55.06	Beth Thompson	other sites of
00:50:55.97	Karen Hollweg	well.
00:50:56.78	Sergio	Yeah, I will.
00:50:57.43	Woodside	I'm sorry.
00:50:57.55	Karen Hollweg	I will...
00:50:57.97	Woodside	Thank you.
00:50:57.98	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
00:50:58.02	Karen Hollweg	are the Spencer Fire Station and City Hall parking lot, right?
00:51:03.26	Woodside	Thank you.
00:51:03.67	Woodside	And as I understand it, and we would also have the option of evaluating other sites as, if you will, replacement to cover the reduction in the numbers.
00:51:17.57	Sergio	Yeah, so I'll supplement Beth's answer a little bit. I think the key issue is
00:51:24.82	Sergio	addition of sites that are not studied or covered under the present Environmental Impact Report. So, if you remove a site
00:51:34.48	Sergio	typically that's going to have less environmental impact
00:51:37.72	Sergio	and probably will not further with circulation or
00:51:41.94	Sergio	revision. The main issue is that if you remove
00:51:45.69	Sergio	sites and
00:51:46.80	Sergio	don't have significant, and we don't have capacity
00:51:50.97	Sergio	to meet your arena, then you have to make it up. So if you remove enough sites,
00:51:55.38	Sergio	The problem is then you have to put something back.
00:51:58.41	Sergio	And so we may not have
00:51:58.61	Unknown	and so on.
00:52:00.27	Sergio	done the appropriate analysis for additional new sites, and that's the biggest.
00:52:07.10	Woodside	If I can just one more follow up for the city attorney.
00:52:11.59	Woodside	If the ML kite site were to be removed, are we in danger of not having sufficient numbers to meet the RENA requirements?
00:52:22.14	Karen Hollweg	if we don't identify replacement sites.
00:52:24.91	Sergio	I will punt that one for Beth. I think the key issue there is whether or not we have
00:52:29.46	Sergio	because the arena requires that you meet certain prescribed levels of affordability and my understanding is the NOK site
00:52:35.74	Sergio	goes a long way for the city meeting that's very low and low income.
00:52:39.66	Sergio	housing numbers. So Beth, maybe you can
00:52:42.42	Sergio	answer that question in more detail.
00:52:46.89	Woodside	Thank you.
00:52:46.91	Sergio	Thank you.
00:52:46.95	Woodside	So you're-
00:52:47.32	Unknown	you have
00:52:47.60	Woodside	Thank you.
00:52:48.58	Woodside	It's complicated, but if we were to remove it, we're in danger of not meeting the numbers unless we find adequate replacements.
00:52:57.04	Karen Hollweg	And also the character, because we have identified significant low and very low-income housing on that site.
00:53:04.70	Woodside	Understood.
00:53:10.05	Unknown	Other questions? Go ahead, Councilmember Hoffman. Yeah, just let me...
00:53:15.08	Unknown	What?
00:53:15.33	Unknown	Beth, you're finished with your presentation overall.
00:53:17.57	Unknown	All of our questions are okay.
00:53:20.78	Unknown	Because I do have some questions. And so Beth, I emailed you some questions this afternoon. And it was late, so my apologies. I don't know if you've got my email or not. But I was looking at some of one of the questions that I had was we had substantial over the three or four years. I can't remember how many years we've been working on this round, but to opposition to
00:53:43.09	Unknown	some of the proposed sites that are now back in. So we had.
00:53:46.19	Unknown	And also the MLK side. And in the staff report and the things that we're looking at, I didn't see a summary of that. And that's something I also talked to our community development director, Mr. Phipps, yesterday when I had a conversation with him. And so it's helpful for us and for new members that may not have been on the council, I can't remember. We've had some change out over the years.
00:54:09.11	Unknown	of council members so it's helpful for us to have that summary and other people that are looking at our staff reports
00:54:15.66	Unknown	have that information in our staff report so that the city hall site the spencer avenue site there's reasons why those sites were on
00:54:23.39	Unknown	for consideration. There's reason why they were taken off and now they're back on. And so for me as a council member, it's helpful to see that it's for other council members. It's helpful to see the history of that. Is there a reason why
00:54:36.01	Unknown	there was not a summary or that that uh public comment that written public comment was not added back in for the staff report and is there a reason why it wasn't i'm asking you beth that
00:54:49.76	Unknown	Because I sent you the email line.
00:54:51.75	Beth Thompson	Right, so there
00:54:55.03	Beth Thompson	There's not a reason why it wasn't added in. There was a lot of discussion of those two sites as part of the public draft housing element that was circulated in 2022 and that also went to HCD for review in 2022. And there's a matrix in that adopted housing element that includes responses to public comments related to the Spencer Avenue fire station and City Hall sites.
00:55:18.52	Beth Thompson	So there were a lot of comments that were considered.
00:55:21.96	Beth Thompson	Um,
00:55:22.89	Beth Thompson	I think for
00:55:24.24	Beth Thompson	for myself and
00:55:25.47	Beth Thompson	I won't speak for staff, but
00:55:29.00	Beth Thompson	to include all of those comments would have felt repetitive with a lot of the information in the housing element. But I can also understand that
00:55:38.29	Beth Thompson	that it's a concern. So we can we can provide a link to those comments and to those meetings as part of our future materials.
00:55:45.89	Unknown	I think that would be helpful for us. It would be helpful for me. I think it would be helpful for anybody else. I can't speak for the rest of the council, but it would be helpful for anybody else who's looking at these and wants to educate themselves on this. So, I mean, a link would be great, or even a footnote would be great, that we can look back at this. And probably also for the Berg property, that would be helpful too. I know there was substantial public comment, an ongoing public comment about that property as well. Um, and also, um, my next thing that I sent you, we had received, um,
00:56:18.81	Unknown	I think some information
00:56:22.66	Unknown	from community venture partners, I think, from Mr. Silvestri,
00:56:28.38	Unknown	about SB9 calculation and ADU calculations
00:56:32.66	Unknown	Thank you.
00:56:32.77	Unknown	And his were quite high, and I sent you an email about that. I was surprised because I was trying to remind myself and educate myself for tonight about those calculations. And in our report and calculation, we have ADU and SB9 projected units collectively at a total of 116 units. And his calculation, and again again this is a collective calculation so you know his 80 unit total is 651 for all of Sausalito those are ADUs under state law
00:57:08.32	Unknown	And this is a collective total.
00:57:10.30	Unknown	and his SB9
00:57:12.37	Unknown	calculation for all of Sausalito and SB 9 is by law.
00:57:16.73	Unknown	single R1, right, by law, lot split, that's an addition of 510 units. And so, you know, that's substantially higher than the 116 units.
00:57:29.89	Unknown	And so, you know, my question to you that I emailed to you is why is your number substantially lower than his number? And the question is,
00:57:41.20	Unknown	My understanding is that there are some cities that are using that number as the arena number.
00:57:46.54	Unknown	And.
00:57:47.83	Unknown	And my struggle here is understanding why our number is so low.
00:57:52.26	Unknown	And other cities are using this number and getting their number approved.
00:57:56.92	Unknown	by HCD using a higher number.
00:58:00.35	Unknown	So,
00:58:00.74	Unknown	So.
00:58:02.53	Unknown	Do you have an explanation that you can give for us today
00:58:08.28	Beth Thompson	Yes, yes, I'd be happy to respond to that. So housing element law requires- So we can see-
00:58:12.08	Karen Hollweg	You know what law requires?
00:58:14.03	Karen Hollweg	who's speaking?
00:58:15.62	Beth Thompson	Oh, sure.
00:58:17.68	Karen Hollweg	Oh, okay.
00:58:18.79	Beth Thompson	Okay.
00:58:19.77	Beth Thompson	So housing element law requires that the city identify specific sites to accommodate the regional housing need allocation. So it's very specific that you identify sites that are available to accommodate your very low, low, moderate, and above moderate income assignments.
00:58:36.73	Beth Thompson	Now, HCD provides the ability for cities to use
00:58:41.93	Beth Thompson	ADU and SB9 units to accommodate the renet based on historical development trends or reasonable assumptions of what could be considered that are substantiated. So your ADU projections are based on your past ADU performance, so your past ADU trends. And in looking at these amendments to the housing element, we, you know, Director Phipps, myself, Senior Planner Toft, we all met and discussed, you know, what some of the activities are that are going on in the city. And it didn't appear that the city
00:59:16.35	Beth Thompson	has
00:59:17.47	Beth Thompson	had a
00:59:18.92	Beth Thompson	significant change in its development trajectory to
00:59:22.95	Beth Thompson	warrant an increase in the assumptions for 80 units and similarly SB9 units. The city is not seeing
00:59:29.48	Beth Thompson	a lot of SB9 applications where we can substantiate an increased number and demonstrate to HCD that that's really realistic and reasonable. So a lot of the numbers that you're hearing are
00:59:42.22	Beth Thompson	the maximum number of units you might see it build out. And it may be that if you have an increase in those production levels that during your next cycle, you can show that you have had higher ADU development levels, higher SB9 development levels, and then you can use a larger portion of those units to accommodate your RHNA.
01:00:02.59	Unknown	Well, yeah, I think I can see the reasoning on that. But I can also see the reasoning behind
01:00:08.66	Unknown	the same consistent reasoning behind all of our housing element calculations, right?
01:00:15.95	Unknown	You know, who knows who's going to build what where?
01:00:18.32	Unknown	And, you know, I think
01:00:21.17	Unknown	from the perspective of what's defensible with HCD and what's defensible with
01:00:25.98	Unknown	you know, what's required under state law.
01:00:29.08	Unknown	I think our number lies somewhere in between about what we can include in our housing element.
01:00:34.82	Unknown	and our, you know,
01:00:37.00	Unknown	quite substantial number
01:00:39.29	Unknown	that's been assigned to Sausalito, especially given
01:00:42.50	Unknown	some of the issues that we identified in our appeal
01:00:45.98	Unknown	and the way our number was calculated. And so I think, you know, with regard to what I just, you know, what I just went into about how our, the number was calculated for SB9 and the ADU number, I think I'd like to revisit that as feedback for the study session. So that's something that I'd like to revisit and explore further. So that's,
01:01:11.69	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:01:11.80	Karen Hollweg	Huh?
01:01:11.86	Unknown	I'm not.
01:01:11.96	Karen Hollweg	Can I ask a quick follow-on to that one, Councilman Prof. Sure.
01:01:12.47	Unknown	THE FAMILY.
01:01:13.72	Unknown	Sure.
01:01:14.75	Karen Hollweg	If we were, as one of our programs for the housing element, to adopt a program to incentivize
01:01:23.66	Karen Hollweg	built construction of ad use with that allow us to or and of sb nines with that allow us to increase the number that we're projecting
01:01:34.56	Beth Thompson	You could, you could, you do have programs in your housing element already that encourage ADU and SB9 units. You could do.
01:01:42.32	Beth Thompson	opt to strengthen those issues
01:01:45.12	Beth Thompson	those programs and provide more resources to implement those programs. What the housing element does include is it includes a mid year
01:01:53.86	Beth Thompson	And true up, so to speak, of those assumptions and so in 2027 the city is going to pause and go Okay, what have we done to accommodate 80 you and SP nine units and are we on track to meet the projections identified in the housing element, if you find at that point in time that you're not.
01:02:12.29	Beth Thompson	you will have to identify additional sites. My concern would be that if you
01:02:17.00	Beth Thompson	make those numbers larger.
01:02:19.40	Beth Thompson	And
01:02:20.17	Beth Thompson	they're not realized and you're not currently on a trajectory to realize larger numbers, that you would be in a similar position to where you are now looking for additional sites. If you are
01:02:32.12	SPEAKER_08	you,
01:02:33.45	Beth Thompson	at getting up if you are getting more performance of your SB9 and ADU units during the mid year review, you also can look and if you have changes in your assumptions for your sites, you have development projects moving forward that don't produce units at the levels anticipated, you also may have some capacity then to have additional units and avoid a no net loss issue. So,
01:02:58.34	Beth Thompson	I...
01:02:59.34	Beth Thompson	I would want to go over your
01:03:01.47	Beth Thompson	2024 numbers for your ADU and SB9 units and really look at those closely before
01:03:07.30	Beth Thompson	recommending any changes to the assumptions right now.
01:03:10.29	Karen Hollweg	And is that a change, if you were to look at those numbers, and with increased incentives for construction of SB9 and ADUs and JADUs,
01:03:18.74	Karen Hollweg	could we do that within our existing EIR? Yes.
01:03:23.62	Karen Hollweg	You can.
01:03:23.98	Beth Thompson	because the EIR actually looks at slightly higher numbers of ADUs and SB9 units, because we were looking more toward like a larger build out number. So we have slightly higher numbers.
01:03:34.03	Karen Hollweg	some capacity there.
01:03:35.64	Karen Hollweg	Okay, so I don't know where Brandon is. Can you make a note? We're giving direction, so that's one area of direction for staff to explore between now and our meeting on the 25th.
01:03:46.74	Karen Hollweg	Councilmember Hoffman, I did a follow-on, so you can continue and then I'll come to
01:03:54.07	Unknown	So my next question, my next couple of questions are going to be about the buffer. So our RHNA number, our quite high RHNA number is 724 units.
01:04:10.48	Unknown	Right.
01:04:11.56	Unknown	And our total plan, as it's been presented tonight, is for 958 units. Correct. So that's a buffer. What we're calling a buffer is the overcapacity that we're presenting or we're planning for. And understanding that this overcapacity includes all these, the combination of different levels, the different income levels, the low, low, very low, moderate, all these kind of different levels. So when you take out units that are earmarked for low, then you have to, you know, the very, very complicated Chinese puzzle of, you know. OK, so, but we still have this 24% buffer over, right?
01:04:20.09	Unknown	Thank you.
01:04:56.69	Unknown	But there's nothing in the state law that requires a buffer, correct? Correct.
01:05:00.97	Beth Thompson	Yeah.
01:05:01.07	Unknown	Thank you.
01:05:01.23	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:05:01.24	Unknown	So,
01:05:01.31	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:05:01.34	Unknown	You're not required.
01:05:01.38	Beth Thompson	You're not required to have a buffer HCD, however.
01:05:05.36	Beth Thompson	looks for a buffer and if you don't have a buffer, then they really start wanting to see
01:05:11.35	Beth Thompson	how on target you are to reach those numbers.
01:05:16.48	Beth Thompson	It's hard to get a housing element certified without some buffer. You do have, I would say, the most flexibility you have, your moderate and above moderate are numerically different.
01:05:26.22	Beth Thompson	decent sized buffers, you might have a little flexibility to reduce those slightly, but
01:05:31.89	Beth Thompson	HCD is really going to take a close look when you're amending your housing element to make sure that you're not reducing housing opportunities and that you're not making these changes just to avoid.
01:05:42.57	Beth Thompson	accommodating the arena. So we want to make sure you're on track
01:05:46.16	Beth Thompson	to continue to accommodate the arena. And having that buffer helps you avoid no net loss issues if you have projects that are approved that aren't consistent with the assumptions.
01:05:57.45	Unknown	But at the end of the day, our number is 724.
01:06:00.59	Unknown	Correct. Acts. Okay. And the issue also with sites that are included,
01:06:05.91	Unknown	in your total plan is that the next plan that's coming down the pike, which is we're going to have to certify another plan in three years. What's our next plan coming up?
01:06:18.09	Beth Thompson	It'll be 2038 or 20, yeah, 20, you'll start, you'll probably start planning for it in 20, or not 20, 2031. Yeah, 20, 2038. You'll probably start planning for it about 2036. Yeah.
01:06:18.51	Unknown	at the end.
01:06:31.41	Unknown	2036.
01:06:32.12	Unknown	Thank you.
01:06:32.74	Unknown	it's 2031 is the next cycle this cycle is 20 oh i'm just
01:06:33.80	Unknown	I'm going to go.
01:06:36.47	Beth Thompson	I don't know why I'm going out to the eighth cycle. Yes, you are correct. You'll start planning for it in 2029 or so.
01:06:36.82	Unknown	I don't know why.
01:06:43.44	Unknown	Yeah, 2029s, right? So that's coming up quick.
01:06:46.58	Unknown	Any sites that are included in this plan, whether they're buffer or not buffer, whatever, we can't use them in the next cycle.
01:06:53.68	Beth Thompson	They're off the day.
01:06:54.10	Unknown	No.
01:06:55.10	Beth Thompson	No, they're not. You can continue to use those sites. You will have to have a program. So certain sites, if they've been used
01:07:03.28	Beth Thompson	If they're for the lower income need and they've been used, if they're vacant sites that have been used in two consecutive housing element periods, or they're a non-vacant site that's been used in one or more housing, prior housing elements, you have to have measures in place to allow certain projects by right. But those are very similar to the rezoning requirements in Program 4, so you won't have too much of a penalty for reusing sites. You will have to be able to demonstrate that they continue to be realistic.
01:07:31.23	Beth Thompson	But that's a lower bar.
01:07:34.25	Unknown	Okay, but there are consequences to including or over, I guess, overproducing
01:07:42.91	Unknown	Sites and including them in our housing element.
01:07:46.10	Beth Thompson	The biggest concern was having too large of a
01:07:50.35	Beth Thompson	Too much capacity would be that depending on the methodology for the next cycle, and we don't know what the methodology is going to look like, what ABEG is going to do in the next cycle, but you could be assigned a larger number if you demonstrate that you have more capacity.
01:08:06.13	Beth Thompson	But.
01:08:08.14	Beth Thompson	You also have the ability to comment to ABIG early in the process regarding your actual capacity.
01:08:16.25	Karen Hollweg	And how effective have those concepts been?
01:08:19.41	Beth Thompson	So you want to comment before they develop the RHNA plan. So
01:08:25.48	Beth Thompson	that you want to comment early and they'll they are supposed to put out a questionnaire and we have a program in the housing element to engage in that process and to respond to that, because if you, if you address the issue earlier, it may be of it may be more helpful this cycle.
01:08:39.03	Unknown	easier.
01:08:42.98	Unknown	Okay, well my experience has been that has not been helpful.
01:08:46.37	Unknown	And they have not been responsive.
01:08:46.39	Beth Thompson	And they have
01:08:47.93	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:08:47.96	Unknown	you
01:08:47.98	Beth Thompson	Yeah, commenting on the RHNA plan, once they have any methodology, you're right.
01:08:51.96	Unknown	Yeah.
01:08:52.30	Unknown	absolute direct evidence that they used area outside of sauce later to calculate our number was not received with any sort of
01:09:00.09	Unknown	Yeah, any sort of
01:09:03.01	Unknown	Anyway, ability to respond to us other than a direct denial of our appeal at the last, with this number that we're dealing with this time. So, okay, I, you know, I'm not really, I'm not.
01:09:17.32	Unknown	in favor of a large buffer, certainly a 24% buffer? Well, we're going to.
01:09:19.72	Karen Hollweg	We're going to reserve comment until after we hear public comment.
01:09:21.51	Unknown	Okay.
01:09:22.55	Unknown	So,
01:09:22.70	Karen Hollweg	So,
01:09:23.31	Unknown	And if you're not.
01:09:23.65	Karen Hollweg	Any other questions?
01:09:24.36	Unknown	I'm not sure.
01:09:24.53	Karen Hollweg	I'm not sure.
01:09:24.83	Unknown	Thank you.
01:09:24.86	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:09:27.02	Unknown	Let me see. Hold on. Let me go ahead. All right.
01:09:27.73	Unknown	All right.
01:09:27.82	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:09:27.84	Unknown	All right, let me go ahead.
01:09:29.08	Unknown	Thank you.
01:09:29.98	Unknown	Councilmember Hawke. My question is somewhat in line and this question is probably for Brandon. So just for context around our housing element and how we've done previously with regards to demonstrating our ability to develop single family or otherwise to respond to the question, for example. We received some correspondence that went to HCD regarding our progress report. Could you maybe share out if it's accurate or not what our average number of permitted units was the last three years that we reported to HCD?
01:09:58.61	Brandon Phipps	I apologize, I don't have those numbers in front of me at the moment.
01:10:01.55	Unknown	Yeah.
01:10:02.26	Unknown	And I don't know if this has been confirmed by our department. I couldn't find it online, so that's why I'm checking. But in the letter...
01:10:10.12	Unknown	which is included in our packet uh it says that our average housing units permitted in 2018 were three 2019 six 2020 14. so that's an average of eight
01:10:20.60	Unknown	So that would mean that we'd have to increase now. We'd have to demonstrate
01:10:24.87	Unknown	100% increase in order to meet our RENA numbers.
01:10:30.31	Unknown	Sure, but this is statistics from our prior years. I'm asking the community.
01:10:33.48	Brandon Phipps	Yes, and I can attest that we did conduct the ADR for the previous year. What I can say in a more qualitative sense is I've been very impressed with the number of ADUs that we've been able to approve in the last year. I've also been impressed with the amount of approvals that we've made as to lower density housing development renovations and even single family housing development approvals. So I have some confidence that those numbers will show increase in the last year. And I'm happy to work with principal planner, Neil Toft on clarifying those figures for you. But I've been pleased with the performance of the department and I've been pleased with the number of units that we've been able to add into the city based on approvals around ADU and SB9.
01:11:17.52	Unknown	How many ADUs did we approve last year?
01:11:21.22	Brandon Phipps	Apologies, I don't have those numbers in front of me.
01:11:23.58	Unknown	Okay, but do you have a guesstimate since you said you're I'm just trying to get a sense of if we could, I would like to be able to give direction to increase our number of
01:11:30.25	Unknown	ADUs and housing element as well if it was realistic and it could be achieved.
01:11:33.32	Karen Hollweg	I think the direction is to explore that and provide us data to consider it at our next meeting.
01:11:38.48	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
01:11:39.58	Neil Toft	and
01:11:40.59	Neil Toft	Sorry, I just, I got a wave from Brandon. Okay, welcome, Neil Toft. Principal planner.
01:11:43.38	Karen Hollweg	Welcome, Neal.
01:11:46.07	Neil Toft	And I do apologize as well. I don't have the numbers right in front of me. We're going to be working. We're actually working on our APR for this 2024. But what we've seen, and we had reported this in the last study session, what we had seen in terms of ADU production, our ADU production was about on pace for what is projected in our housing element.
01:12:10.12	Neil Toft	Our SB9 units have not been
01:12:13.31	Neil Toft	up there. Now, the
01:12:15.54	Neil Toft	New laws for SB9 units do provide more
01:12:21.14	Neil Toft	instead of it incentivization. We may see that increase, but we have not seen that.
01:12:27.08	Neil Toft	as of yet.
01:12:28.75	Unknown	Okay, and then one other point, and this is probably a question for Beth, but in addressing HCD's concerns to Program 19, where they specifically mentioned that they were concerned that there were no specifications for single-family homes in the odds, our response essentially said,
01:12:44.51	Unknown	recent changes in state law,
01:12:48.77	Unknown	appear likely to increase the ability of property owners to seek development of single family homes, development of objective standards of single family units would be unlikely to result in substantial new housing production based on what is already permitted in terms of ADU and SB9. I just want to make sure in doing this research around what we can and can't allocate for ADUs that if we need to respond to their concerns around Program 19,
01:13:07.70	Unknown	with greater consideration for ADUs or for single family odds, we do that in the context of this. And I don't know if that's direction or question or something you had thought about, but in reviewing program 19, that stood out to me as a clear and important comment from HCD.
01:13:21.65	Unknown	Thank you.
01:13:21.82	Unknown	Thank you.
01:13:21.91	Karen Hollweg	For reference, that's on page 285 of our packet.
01:13:26.62	Unknown	Were you, could you maybe just explain why that was your response for program 19 with regards to single family homes? Well, was that your response? Yeah, I think that was more our response. I thought, yeah.
01:13:33.22	Neil Toft	Yeah, I think that was more our response.
01:13:36.15	Neil Toft	Thank you.
01:13:36.52	Neil Toft	Well, I think it was Mark, our response in that.
01:13:39.91	Neil Toft	Question for that HCD was, why do you not have odds for single family development?
01:13:46.66	Neil Toft	And the response was,
01:13:49.43	Neil Toft	two-fold.
01:13:50.31	Neil Toft	One is we have very little
01:13:52.84	Neil Toft	new
01:13:54.60	Neil Toft	single family units that are coming online in and of themselves. Single family units are largely going to come in line
01:14:01.48	Neil Toft	as a result of SB9.
01:14:04.33	Neil Toft	And our subject will now be under state law, subject to SB 9 regulations, which really restrict, already kind of provide a objective design standard through our code.
01:14:18.62	Neil Toft	So the, our point there was,
01:14:22.32	Neil Toft	We have more.
01:14:24.24	Neil Toft	significant
01:14:25.41	Neil Toft	issues to get on with in order to increase housing production than spending time on creating a
01:14:31.85	Neil Toft	odds for strictly for single family dwellings.
01:14:35.11	Unknown	Sure. I just want to be thoughtful if we're considering an increase in the number of ADUs within the housing element that we are very mindful of their questions with regards to single family and if we can include that.
01:14:44.02	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
01:14:44.24	Unknown	with it.
01:14:44.38	Karen Hollweg	I'm gonna ask council members to confine to questions right now. I was asking about that specifically, but okay.
01:14:44.39	Unknown	Thank you.
01:14:49.94	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:14:50.00	Neil Toft	But that was a question about single
01:14:50.01	Karen Hollweg	But that was a question about
01:14:51.02	Unknown	I'm guessing why I asked the question around it.
01:14:51.48	Karen Hollweg	I'm sorry.
01:14:53.00	Neil Toft	Yeah, the question was about single family homes though, and not
01:14:56.61	Neil Toft	So we weren't addressing ADU's
01:14:59.50	Neil Toft	in that response because that wasn't the issue for HCD.
01:15:04.37	Unknown	Okay, thank you. Okay, vice mayor.
01:15:08.46	Woodside	Just a couple timing questions, and I'm going to use again MLK as an example, because it appears there may be long-term flexibility if MLK site were not included. And the question of timing is, in order to do anything housing-wise at MLK, there has to be a vote of the people, Sausalito, and there are two elections coming up that might be relevant.
01:15:33.53	Woodside	One in June, which means we have to act by March, early March, in order to put it on the ballot. The next one, of course, would be in the fall.
01:15:44.57	Woodside	in November. So if there was direction this evening not to include MLK at this time, is there a way to keep it alive, at least theoretically, to consider at a following election, which could be separate from the general overall election on the majority of the housing element that also requires a vote?
01:16:08.38	Unknown	that I do.
01:16:13.49	Woodside	Too complicated a question.
01:16:15.96	Beth Thompson	Not too complicated of a question. So your main constraint is that you have to have your rezoning complete and I have Council member Blastain mentioned the date, but it's it's into 2026. I believe it's January 30th.
01:16:28.49	Brandon Phipps	January 30th. 2026.
01:16:30.79	Beth Thompson	Yeah, so you have to have all of your rezoning complete by then. So if you don't have it,
01:16:37.78	Beth Thompson	in a special election that allows you to reach that timing, then you don't have your resending complete and your housing elements out of compliance. So there's some flexibility, but it's pretty limited in terms of pushing back a site that might be needed to meet your MENA.
01:16:53.50	Woodside	I understand. Thank you.
01:17:02.77	Helen Sobieski	Thank you.
01:17:08.10	Helen Sobieski	Happy to defer to you, of course, if you defer right now.
01:17:10.95	Helen Sobieski	Hi, Beth.
01:17:12.20	Helen Sobieski	uh,
01:17:13.01	Helen Sobieski	I have a question for you.
01:17:16.05	Helen Sobieski	It's been quite a learning curve for four years on this subject, and I still feel like I'm at the bottom of the mountain.
01:17:22.07	Helen Sobieski	Can I just ask some level setting questions? If we had not
01:17:25.97	Helen Sobieski	Succeeded.
01:17:27.20	Helen Sobieski	and having a certified housing element passed in January of 2023.
01:17:33.06	Helen Sobieski	we would have been out of compliance. And my understanding is not having a certified element means we would have been exposed to a thing called builder's remedy. Is that correct?
01:17:42.44	Helen Sobieski	Congrats.
01:17:43.45	Helen Sobieski	So if we hadn't passed that in January, then builders remedy would be enforced and is my understanding that then Most residential units most residential zoning actually everything except industrial would be subject to a by right a development potential by property owners is that what the builders remedy is.
01:18:08.09	Beth Thompson	Builder's Remedy provides for developers to propose a project basically regardless of general plan and zoning.
01:18:15.38	Beth Thompson	standards so they can propose projects that are not consistent with the general plan and zoning. So you could get high densities, you could get projects on sites that weren't intended to allow residential. I would have to look at the specific industrial restrictions. I know AB 2011 speaks to industrial. I don't recall if the recent changes to builders remedy law reference industrial and I can, the city attorney can weigh in. I don't believe the builders remedy that was in place at the time
01:18:42.87	Beth Thompson	that your housing element was adopted, included any exceptions for industrial. So I think
01:18:48.91	Beth Thompson	residential projects could have been proposed throughout the
01:18:53.28	Beth Thompson	And.
01:18:54.19	Beth Thompson	And
01:18:54.73	Beth Thompson	areas that undergo intense use.
01:18:57.47	Beth Thompson	And Sergio, if you have anything to add, please do.
01:18:59.61	Helen Sobieski	It's important to my line of just level setting questions. It's an important question, but because the previous city council succeeded in getting a housing element certified in January of 2023, we have not been exposed to builders remedy for this period of time.
01:19:01.50	Beth Thompson	Yeah.
01:19:17.41	Helen Sobieski	Uh, and we currently are not exposed to it. My question is, why are we amending
01:19:22.63	Helen Sobieski	Why are we doing any of this? Why can't we just rely on the previous housing element that's been certified by the state?
01:19:29.26	Helen Sobieski	HCD.
01:19:30.24	Helen Sobieski	I really don't know why.
01:19:32.15	Helen Sobieski	I'm sorry to disappoint you, Mayor. I really don't mind. I think a lot of people don't know why. I just really want to understand a simple articulation. In fact, I believe that McDougal asked that very question in a letter that was submitted to city council today, and I thought it was a fair one. So why do we have to go through an amendment of,
01:19:49.41	Helen Sobieski	of the housing element.
01:19:53.15	Helen Sobieski	Beth?
01:19:54.02	Karen Hollweg	And do you want me to answer? I see Sergio. See the city attorney has turned on his mic. This was covered in Beth's presentation earlier this evening. But I see the city attorney has turned on his camera.
01:20:05.69	Sergio	Yeah, you know, to be perfectly candid, you know, the city's current adoption of its
01:20:11.92	Sergio	present housing element is being challenged in litigation.
01:20:15.06	Sergio	So that is a concern for the city in terms of addressing
01:20:19.43	Sergio	some of the issues that have been raised and not going to gauge him. So, you know, to the extent that
01:20:23.95	Sergio	If the city does adopt an amended housing element, it would likely...
01:20:27.46	Sergio	root much of the challenges that were brought forth in that litigation and allow the city to, one, save some money in terms of fighting that cross-to-the-law suit,
01:20:35.80	Sergio	And two, you know,
01:20:38.01	Sergio	the city council during its
01:20:40.81	Sergio	study session with regards to preparing the objective design and development standards, you know,
01:20:46.14	Sergio	did express some concerns about some of the existing designations in the site's inventory and the present housing element with regards to
01:20:54.73	Sergio	protection for the historic district and height limits and additional zoning restrictions that it wanted to maintain for the purposes of preserving views um
01:21:05.99	Sergio	And so based on that feedback that was provided with respect to the odds, staff identified that a amended housing element would likely be necessary
01:21:14.48	Sergio	regardless of the pending indie litigation.
01:21:17.21	Sergio	So,
01:21:18.07	Karen Hollweg	All right.
01:21:18.10	Sergio	Thank you.
01:21:18.86	Karen Hollweg	And HCD demanded that we remove a couple of sites. Yes.
01:21:22.20	Sergio	Yes.
01:21:22.63	Karen Hollweg	in Venezuela.
01:21:22.86	Sergio	Thank you.
01:21:22.90	Karen Hollweg	to a
01:21:22.96	Sergio	Yeah, once staff identified, staff tried to reach out to both Paltrans and the county to do the Ascertaino on a SuperSite 85.
01:21:23.49	Karen Hollweg	Correct.
01:21:32.18	Sergio	It was determined that
01:21:33.93	Sergio	Thank you.
01:21:34.30	Sergio	neither agency was willing to step forward to
01:21:38.37	Sergio	Kevin Mohr, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant Assistant City Attorney General Manager, Assistant Assistant City Attorney General, Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant Assistant
01:21:55.80	Helen Sobieski	Thank you. That's a very clear explanation. I appreciate that. So, Beth or Sergio, if we have a new certified housing element, whatever changes we make, we submit the HCD and they certify our housing element and the necessary ballot initiatives passed by the voters of Sausalito, will we then be in the clear and be certain not to have builders remedy as a sanction until the next housing cycle in 2031?
01:22:29.55	Sergio	We would be in the best possible position at that point.
01:22:33.48	Sergio	one of the
01:22:35.12	Sergio	existing challenges to the city's housing elements in the UND litigation as with respect to the implementation of Program 19.
01:22:42.73	Sergio	and the timing of the city's implementation program. Now, the housing element,
01:22:47.68	Sergio	has a number of commitments and programs that the city needs to undertake throughout the eight year cycle. And of course the city potentially if it failed to meet those commitments could be subject to challenge.
01:22:58.88	Sergio	Um, and
01:23:00.23	Sergio	you know additionally there are a number of instances where the hcd could potentially decertify the city's housing element even after it certifies it for lack of meeting those standards and goals in the city's housing element that being said
01:23:15.11	Sergio	The reality is HCD has primarily dealt with jurisdictions who have failed to meet their program of rezoning, and that has historically been the main issue that HCD has targeted for enforcement. I'm not aware of,
01:23:28.92	Sergio	HCE decertifying a housing element for any jurisdiction on the basis of failing to implement one of the smaller
01:23:35.94	Sergio	programs that are identified in the housing element.
01:23:38.98	Sergio	Hopefully, that's the question.
01:23:40.90	Helen Sobieski	Yeah.
01:23:41.93	Helen Sobieski	There's a lot there. But what I'm wondering about is, I know the city doesn't build housing. We're engaged in a process of clearing the way for housing to be built by designating sites and changing their zoning. But to what extent would the city potentially be exposed to Builder's Remedy if it failed to build any significant number of the 700. If no significant number of the 724 units was actually built over the next five years.
01:24:13.15	Sergio	I would say if the city has completed its program of rezoning, the likelihood that it is exposed to the builders on the B is going to be very low.
01:24:21.27	Sergio	Um,
01:24:23.69	Sergio	you.
01:24:24.32	Sergio	You know, there are no certainties, but I would say that it would be approaching near zero.
01:24:29.50	Sergio	because the city will have done what is required of housing element law to clear the hurdles for housing to be developed. Now, obviously, if market conditions are
01:24:39.03	Sergio	such that, you know, builders can't get loans, can't get financing, you know, that there's an economic slowdown and the housing doesn't get developed. The city has done what it's easy to do, comply with the law.
01:24:49.94	Sergio	We can't control the economy or other bigger factors.
01:24:54.66	Helen Sobieski	Okay, then my related question is if in that same circumstance, for whatever reason, the city has been in compliance with its certified housing element, but no significant amount of housing has been built over this period of time, and we have a new RHNA cycle starting
01:25:12.28	Helen Sobieski	in 2029 uh for a 2031 uh period how does that fact influence what our new rena number would be uh going forward would we expect it to be this do we have any sense about what our rena number would be in 2029 based on actual performance of housing being built in sausalito
01:25:36.65	Sergio	Beth, do you want to take a crack at that one?
01:25:38.60	Beth Thompson	I'll gladly take a crack at that. So the past arena cycles haven't necessarily reflected what actual construction has been. So.
01:25:48.02	Beth Thompson	your current, if your current arena had reflected your construction, you would have a very small number. So,
01:25:56.90	Beth Thompson	It really depends. The methodology for the Rhena's changes every single cycle. So HCD has their methodology for
01:26:04.25	Beth Thompson	can, um,
01:26:05.28	Beth Thompson	for distributing the RHNA to the broader region and then ABAG adopts the methodology for distributing it to the individual jurisdictions and it currently doesn't address your past production.
01:26:15.36	Beth Thompson	Mm-mm.
01:26:15.86	Beth Thompson	You won't be
01:26:17.36	Beth Thompson	There won't be currently under state law if you have reasoned and you've identified adequate sites, there's not a carryover. So if you haven't identified adequate sites from the previous cycle, there's a carryover where you have to actually demonstrate that you can accommodate your current current readout plus any accommodated need from the previous cycle.
01:26:34.80	Beth Thompson	But as long as you've rezoned, you won't have that penalty. And there's currently not another penalty that I can think of that would
01:26:41.95	Beth Thompson	that would occur.
01:26:45.60	SPEAKER_05	Thank you.
01:26:50.93	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to ask some questions and then I'll turn it back over to Council Member Hoffman.
01:26:54.68	Karen Hollweg	um on page one of the revised draft amendment it says after accounting for approved projects projected adu and projected sb the city has a remaining rena of 465 units what is project what does sb mean
01:27:12.82	Brandon Phipps	I believe the reference to SB9 will make that change.
01:27:12.85	Karen Hollweg	SB9 units. We edited that.
01:27:16.97	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:27:17.03	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
01:27:17.37	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
01:27:17.71	Karen Hollweg	That's not the only place in here that that appears.
01:27:22.11	Karen Hollweg	um,
01:27:25.76	Karen Hollweg	On page three, it says the city is in the process of evaluating the application of these new laws, AB 2011 and SB 6, to the inventory of sites and opportunity sites to determine if there's additional capacity for residential development.
01:27:40.63	Karen Hollweg	to preclude the need for a voter initiative on any of the sites? When will we have the city's feedback on the implications of AB 2011 and SB 6, since we have to make a decision about voter initiatives on or before March 4th?
01:28:06.14	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to ask the city attorney to turn his camera on because we're going to rely on you to provide us with feedback on the implications of AB 2011 and SB 6, which passed following release of the draft housing element. This housing element draft says that the city is in the process of evaluating the application of these new laws to the inventory sites and opportunity sites to determine if there is additional capacity for residential development. When will that evaluation be complete and will we have it in hand before we have to make a decision about the voter initiatives?
01:28:43.86	Sergio	So yeah, I would need a certain work with CDD to identify the potential sites which
01:28:51.08	Sergio	could be subject to AB 2011 or SB 6.
01:28:54.34	Sergio	Um,
01:28:55.27	Sergio	AB 2011 provides
01:28:57.36	Sergio	is a ministerial people pathway.
01:28:59.38	Sergio	for multifamily projects on commercially zoned land, as long as it pays prevailing wages and the specified affordable housing targets.
01:29:10.69	Sergio	And so we would need to analyze how many parcels in the city would qualify for
01:29:17.00	Sergio	potential approval under AB 2011 and then give the council some
01:29:22.92	Sergio	preliminary analysis of what figures, if any, could
01:29:26.52	Sergio	be included for projects under AB 2011. Additionally, SB 6 doesn't provide any sort of ministry approval pathway, but just simply allows residential use on commercial
01:29:38.57	Sergio	rezone property without requiring rezoning. Again, this is one of those
01:29:42.82	Sergio	laws that requires payment of prevailing wages.
01:29:46.40	Sergio	Beth.
01:29:47.54	Sergio	I don't know if you have had much success with HDD allowing jurisdictions to count
01:29:54.48	Sergio	the
01:29:55.66	Sergio	potential projects under either of these laws for the purposes of meeting
01:29:59.86	Sergio	can use the
01:30:00.45	Beth Thompson	No.
01:30:01.47	Beth Thompson	No, they continue to want to see sites be specifically and explicitly rezoned to accommodate residential. It's a lot like...
01:30:09.48	Beth Thompson	the SB9 units where
01:30:11.89	Beth Thompson	you have to really demonstrate that there's going to be
01:30:14.97	Beth Thompson	There's a trend or desire for those types of projects since these were
01:30:19.91	Beth Thompson	passed in 2022, I don't think the city's seen any AB 2011 or SB 6 requests or applications. So I think there's, I think it's pretty small and I believe that was addressed in your 2023 APR. I'm not positive though, and Principal Planner touched me.
01:30:38.42	Beth Thompson	May I be able to chime in on that?
01:30:38.57	Karen Hollweg	I mean,
01:30:39.38	Karen Hollweg	able to chime in on that.
01:30:43.30	Karen Hollweg	Okay, yes, it is in our existing housing element, it is not redlined, but we adopted this in January of 2023 it's now two years later and we've not received any feedback on this, so I would like to have a better understanding of this before we approve these voter initiatives and there are other. References to development on commercial lots that i'll get to in just a second okay. um.
01:31:10.84	Karen Hollweg	On page six, program objectives and time frame, you talk about utilizing the Surplus Lands Act as the mechanism by which if the voter initiative is approved for site 84 or site 75, that we would then issue a notice of availability to sell that site to a developer. That is not the city's plan. The city intends, if it were to develop on site 75 or 84, to do so through perhaps a long-term lease or some other mechanism by which the city retains control over the site. The city does not intend to declare as surplus or sell the MLK site or the corporation yard or any
01:32:02.75	Karen Hollweg	other city-owned site. So I'm
01:32:06.36	Karen Hollweg	You know, this says that following a successful ballot measure for site 84,
01:32:11.69	Karen Hollweg	issue a notice of availability
01:32:13.82	Karen Hollweg	pursuant to the Surplus Lands Act within 60 days. I would like to know
01:32:17.87	Karen Hollweg	Who drafted that, and is it possible to remove that? The city can manage this process without utilizing the Surplus Lands Act.
01:32:25.51	Sergio	So I will comment on that. The Surplus Lands Act also covers leases of property for longer than 15 years. So the city does have to go through the Surplus Lands Act process unless it is
01:32:38.98	Sergio	fits within one of the exemptions. There is an exemption for transactions, including leases under government code 37364 for affordable housing.
01:32:49.49	Sergio	but that deals with specifically qualifying projects.
01:32:55.33	Sergio	If...
01:32:55.38	Karen Hollweg	There's also an exemption for income producing property. There are other exemptions. So I just...
01:33:01.49	Karen Hollweg	Is it possible to enunciate this program in such a way that doesn't require us to automatically
01:33:10.53	Karen Hollweg	declare our property as surplus.
01:33:13.05	Sergio	I think that revision would be appropriate.
01:33:15.75	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
01:33:17.18	Woodside	Quick follow up on that. Is it also true that if we were to sell surplus property that would require a four fifths vote.
01:33:28.22	Sergio	I would need to double check that. Additionally, with respect to some of the surplus property, if it is
01:33:34.39	Sergio	Um,
01:33:35.86	Sergio	you know, park property, we would
01:33:38.31	Sergio	typically want to look at the applicable provisions of state law regarding disposal of park property.
01:33:44.01	Sergio	And additionally, any deed restriction that would exist on that property that could cause the reversion to the original owner.
01:33:51.40	Sergio	And so for this reason, I think some revisions to this program language would probably be appropriate.
01:33:56.97	Woodside	And I think this may have already been answered, but if it's city property, it would be up to the city to decide how to proceed. It would not be up to a private developer unless we were to reach an agreement with that developer to go forward.
01:34:12.21	Sergio	That is correct.
01:34:14.44	Karen Hollweg	And if it's under city control, the city can designate it, for example, as senior housing or require that a developer designate it as senior housing or that a developer designate it as purely affordable housing. Rights the city might lose if it were to actually sell the property. Is that right?
01:34:33.22	Sergio	And that is correct. Under both the surplus lands act and the exemption in government code 37364, typically the city would need to negotiate those transactions, whether they're in the form of
01:34:50.25	Sergio	sale or lease for affordable housing and certainly that provides the city a significant opportunity to shape any project that ended up there.
01:34:58.13	Karen Hollweg	And even if the city were to want to sell the land and had a buyer identified, the city would still have to go list the land as available for affordable housing before it could sell it. Isn't that right?
01:35:10.92	Sergio	That is correct. That is one of the requirements of the Surplus Planes Act.
01:35:14.51	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
01:35:15.43	Karen Hollweg	All right, I'm moving now to page nine. This says under program objectives and timeframe, no later than December 2024, develop procedures to address the streamlining requirements of SB 35 and similar state laws. My question is what are the similar state laws
01:35:36.60	Karen Hollweg	And following that is another paragraph that says, by no later than December 2024, establish a permit tracking database. Have we accomplished those? And if not, should we not change the dates for these deliverables?
01:35:51.79	Brandon Phipps	I can confirm that the city does have a permit tracking database and that's been in place well prior to December 2024 so we have accomplished that section.
01:36:01.22	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:36:01.65	Sergio	you
01:36:01.93	Sergio	And the city did revise its design review chapter, chapter 1054, to implement a process for ministerial approval of projects that are subject to streamlining under state laws, including SB 35, AB 2011, any other state laws that the legislature may inept surpass,
01:36:13.10	Unknown	I don't know.
01:36:22.47	Sergio	So I do think that we are substantially in compliance with that housing element program I described.
01:36:27.62	Karen Hollweg	Since this is something that's already been done, is it possible for us to change the and similar state laws to really identify the ones that we did? Because we already did this by December of 2024. And rather than just say and similar, which leaves us vulnerable to actually identify the streamlining laws that we've comported with.
01:36:48.12	Sergio	We certainly can. I will say that the revision to...
01:36:52.88	Sergio	the city's chapter
01:36:55.41	Sergio	1054 of the municipal code also
01:36:58.13	Sergio	leave a catch-all for subsequently enacted state laws that require streamlined ministerial approval.
01:37:07.81	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I just don't like saying and similar state laws because who knows what that means. So, and it's something we've already done. So we're certainly able to announce what it is we've done. Okay. Okay.
01:37:22.98	Karen Hollweg	on page 11 it states no density for residential uses is specified for cmcs and cw zones um
01:37:33.80	Karen Hollweg	And we talked earlier today about 2011 allowing
01:37:39.25	Karen Hollweg	enhanced density in certain commercial zones. Have we considered...
01:37:43.86	Karen Hollweg	enhancing second-story residential in our commercial zones in the Caledonia and Bridgeway areas since 2011 was enacted.
01:38:04.16	Karen Hollweg	In 2022.
01:38:06.59	Sergio	I don't have an answer to that. Perhaps Beth or Brandon have considered that or are working towards that.
01:38:14.05	Karen Hollweg	So we already have a program that allows some residential, second story residential in our commercial zones. May I ask that staff take a look at whether it's possible to enhance the density of that potential development in our commercial zones in alignment with AB 2011.
01:38:33.96	Karen Hollweg	between now and.
01:38:35.09	Karen Hollweg	February 25th.
01:38:37.30	Sergio	Yeah, I suspect it's not AB 2011 that would govern that issue, but like the ordinance 1022 and the fair traffic initiative.
01:38:46.18	Sergio	because there are height limits and floor air ratio requirements in that ordinance.
01:38:50.70	Sergio	And while we have
01:38:52.79	Sergio	We will be discussing later tonight, as part of the program of rezoning and the draft ballot measure, the changes that would be made to
01:39:01.28	Sergio	allow people
01:39:03.25	Sergio	increased height limits and density on some of the commercially zone properties on the opportunity sites.
01:39:10.81	Sergio	I think,
01:39:13.16	Sergio	allowing for
01:39:15.10	Sergio	greater residential capacity in
01:39:18.32	Sergio	Some of our commercial zones may butt up against ordinance 10.2 and
01:39:22.64	Sergio	That does need some study and some analysis before we can answer that question.
01:39:27.22	Karen Hollweg	So, for example, on Bridgeway, we reduced
01:39:33.36	Karen Hollweg	the
01:39:34.46	Karen Hollweg	at 1319 Bridgeway. This was not on your chart, Beth, but this was in the
01:39:40.82	Karen Hollweg	amended housing element, we reduced the density for that site from 3 to 2 plus an ADU.
01:39:48.53	Karen Hollweg	that site owner would like to go from three to four, three regular plus low income. Why did we reduce the capacity of that site at 1319 Bridgeway? I'm sorry, I don't know the site number.
01:40:04.04	Brandon Phipps	I believe that's Site 44.
01:40:06.08	Karen Hollweg	Okay. And why did we reduce the density of Site 44? It's a small...
01:40:11.60	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:40:12.48	Karen Hollweg	unit on Bridgeway.
01:40:17.64	Brandon Phipps	I'm happy to provide some preliminary comments on that. My recollection was that this reduction was made when the housing element was amended, as Sergio previously described, with a sensitivity towards preserving the historic character of our historic district, in addition to ensuring that our waterfront districts maintain their context.
01:40:18.97	Karen Hollweg	Sure.
01:40:39.81	Karen Hollweg	Okay, but 1319 Bridgeway is not in the historic district. I don't believe it's closer to Napa Street, is it? That's correct, but it is.
01:40:45.70	Brandon Phipps	That's correct, but it is proximate to our commercial waterfront zone and there was I recall if I recall correctly some concern that a project of a greater density in that area may have a negative impact on context.
01:40:59.44	Karen Hollweg	So if we wanted to reject that change, could we do so within our existing EIR?
01:41:04.50	Karen Hollweg	instead of reducing from 3 to 2, retain it, increase it from 3 to 4.
01:41:15.59	Beth Thompson	We,
01:41:15.65	Unknown	We,
01:41:16.45	Beth Thompson	We can look at that, I think we did,
01:41:19.35	Beth Thompson	address the no project alternative in
01:41:22.71	Beth Thompson	in the EIR so we could look at how much
01:41:26.78	Beth Thompson	Um, environmental coverage you have for increasing that. So I can look at that.
01:41:31.47	Karen Hollweg	And the same is true for the site at 409 Napa Street.
01:41:40.55	Beth Thompson	Is that site 55?
01:41:40.80	Bert Drobnis	Thank you.
01:41:40.83	Karen Hollweg	And is that
01:41:43.28	Woodside	Correct.
01:41:44.88	Beth Thompson	Okay, so keeping site 55 would be keeping it at 70 units per acre.
01:41:50.72	Beth Thompson	The change to 49 units per acre, it actually
01:41:50.86	Unknown	it.
01:41:54.16	Beth Thompson	because of the minimum zoning, the calculations we managed to
01:41:58.85	Beth Thompson	increase the number of units
01:42:02.13	Beth Thompson	but decrease the maximum density. So I think you haven't had any loss at that site.
01:42:07.77	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
01:42:09.06	Karen Hollweg	All right, next question is on page 13.
01:42:11.65	Karen Hollweg	Um,
01:42:17.72	Karen Hollweg	I wanted to, so it says additional refinements were made through a housing element amendment in 2025 to the opportunity sites as a result of community and design decision maker input.
01:42:28.76	Karen Hollweg	during implementation of program four. I'd like to add the word HCD to that because HCD asked us to remove sites.
01:42:38.01	Karen Hollweg	Okay. Yeah, we can add that.
01:42:40.22	Karen Hollweg	Is it possible to add that?
01:42:42.55	Karen Hollweg	Yes.
01:42:46.09	Karen Hollweg	I've got to abide by my own rules.
01:42:50.53	Karen Hollweg	Okay, those were my questions for now. Thank you.
01:42:55.32	Karen Hollweg	at Councilmember Hoffman.
01:42:58.26	Unknown	So,
01:42:58.52	Karen Hollweg	All right.
01:42:58.58	Unknown	Yes, I had a couple of follow-up questions on the MLK site. Beth, can you just tell me where in the housing element materials that we have can I find the breakdown of the units of the income levels assigned to the MLK site? And can you tell me the page? Are they in the housing element? Are they in attachment?
01:43:20.36	Beth Thompson	So it's in a couple of different places. So for the version that has 94 units at the MLK site, it's going to be, and I apologize because I don't have your packet with the page numbers as they're,
01:43:21.05	Unknown	Yeah.
01:43:34.15	Beth Thompson	as they're ordered, but it's in attachment three
01:43:38.06	Beth Thompson	And it's towards the very end where it's appendices D and one, if you go to the first page of appendix D.
01:43:47.26	Beth Thompson	It's the very bottom row on that table.
01:43:53.03	Brandon Phipps	We've also provided a summary of the units that are impacted by voter initiatives. And there's a one pager that's pretty straightforward. We've tried to provide that to create some some clarity and easy reference points. That is one of the attachments as well to this item. And that shows the breakdown also.
01:43:53.42	Beth Thompson	So professional.
01:43:57.81	Beth Thompson	That's true.
01:43:58.33	Unknown	Thank you.
01:44:11.29	Unknown	And what attachment is that, Director Fitz?
01:44:16.67	Brandon Phipps	Give me a moment to review the agenda.
01:44:19.51	Karen Hollweg	Um,
01:44:19.83	Brandon Phipps	It should be titled
01:44:19.86	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
01:44:22.06	Karen Hollweg	Or page 287 of our packet.
01:44:22.07	Brandon Phipps	Thank you.
01:44:22.09	Unknown	It's me.
01:44:24.23	Unknown	That doesn't help me. I'm going digital. So can you tell me what attachment it is?
01:44:26.34	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
01:44:30.78	Beth Thompson	It's attachment six sites subject to ordinances 1022 and 1128. Thank you. Gotcha. Gotcha.
01:44:35.68	Unknown	Thank you, Beth. Okay, gotcha. Okay, so that's site six. Or sorry, attachment six. Okay, and then the site number is 84, right? Correct. The bottom row on that. The body, 84. 84.
01:44:48.47	Unknown	Okay, got it. Okay, so very low is 54, and 94 units, so very low is 54 units, and low is 34, and then moderate is 6. Okay, great. Thanks very much. That's very helpful.
01:45:05.26	Unknown	As a follow on, what's the breakdown for that in the amended? Because we don't have the same table in the newly amended with regards to tonight's presentation.
01:45:14.15	Unknown	So it's different. If it's 80, right? Are you talking about if it's 80 or if it's 50? 50.
01:45:14.22	Unknown	So,
01:45:14.32	Unknown	It's,
01:45:19.48	Unknown	Well, this is for 94. The table you're looking at has for 94. So you're exactly right, for 80 or for 50.
01:45:19.50	Unknown	Well, this is for 94.
01:45:25.57	Unknown	What would the breakdown?
01:45:26.92	Unknown	Or 80.
01:45:27.16	Beth Thompson	For 80, it's...
01:45:28.61	Beth Thompson	48 very low.
01:45:30.67	Beth Thompson	28 low.
01:45:32.22	Beth Thompson	And for moderate,
01:45:37.81	Beth Thompson	We didn't specify the breakdown at 50, but I believe we lose all of the moderate and we reduce
01:45:45.72	Beth Thompson	into about
01:45:47.71	Beth Thompson	30 something very low.
01:45:49.82	Beth Thompson	And then the remainder low.
01:45:52.56	Beth Thompson	And basically we're just trying to keep your buffers when we get.
01:45:56.45	Beth Thompson	Down to 50, so we reduce it in the matter that has...
01:45:57.97	Karen Hollweg	to the manner that has. Something like that. Yes, something like that.
01:46:01.10	Beth Thompson	Yes. Something like that.
01:46:01.97	Unknown	Like that.
01:46:02.26	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
01:46:05.96	Unknown	Other questions, Councilmember Hoffman? No, but sorry. Can you repeat those again? Not the 94, but the 80.
01:46:10.66	Karen Hollweg	Not the name.
01:46:12.40	Karen Hollweg	80 it's 48 here I'm just going to hand you this piece of paper and I'm going to open this up for public comment everybody has two minutes oh
01:46:21.92	Karen Hollweg	Yeah. Thank you guys. We really.
01:46:22.61	Unknown	Thank you.
01:46:24.91	Woodside	I know we wanna hear from the public, but just a big picture question in 2023, the housing element that we now have, that's been approved was done in time. We have more time.
01:46:35.81	Woodside	And...
01:46:36.50	Karen Hollweg	It gave us three years to adopt our zoning, which expires January 31st, 2026.
01:46:42.86	Woodside	So we have some opportunities now to address it again with the revisions that are before us. And my question is, the buffer is about the same, if not a little bit larger than it was in 2023.
01:47:01.42	Beth Thompson	Buffer is larger.
01:47:01.91	Unknown	larger.
01:47:02.32	Woodside	Sure.
01:47:02.60	Woodside	Thank you.
01:47:02.94	Woodside	By by how, how, what's the number?
01:47:07.26	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:47:07.31	Unknown	Let's see.
01:47:09.64	Unknown	table.
01:47:13.00	Brandon Phipps	Beth, is it 184, increasing to 234?
01:47:17.32	Beth Thompson	I believe so. Are you looking at that first table in program four?
01:47:21.17	Brandon Phipps	Correct.
01:47:21.83	Woodside	Okay. Yes. There's so much volume here. It's hard to find these things. And I just wanted to make it clear there was a buffer then, and there's a buffer now. And I can comment about the significance of that later.
01:47:22.10	Beth Thompson	Yes.
01:47:33.05	Helen Sobieski	Thank you, Mayor. Beth or Sergio, I have the same questions. My concern is obviously around being subject to builder's remedy. So if we have a housing element where we have a significant number of housing sites on city-owned property, 80 at MLK, some number at, let's say, the fire station, city hall, other places, and it's a certified element.
01:47:33.15	Woodside	They're not.
01:47:33.22	Unknown	THE FEDERAL.
01:47:33.25	Woodside	Thank you.
01:47:55.69	Helen Sobieski	I understand that private property owners, the city can't do anything to compel them to actually build housing.
01:48:01.50	Helen Sobieski	Uh,
01:48:02.56	Helen Sobieski	but it would would the city of Sausalito face any pressure from HCD?
01:48:07.37	Helen Sobieski	with a housing element where we have housing sites on city owned property.
01:48:11.89	Helen Sobieski	if they would we'd be facing pressure to actually execute on building housing in other words if they saw us not doing something
01:48:18.78	Helen Sobieski	with our city owned property.
01:48:20.28	Helen Sobieski	in an orderly way to actually build the units we're promising.
01:48:24.82	Helen Sobieski	would we possibly face some kind of action?
01:48:27.60	Beth Thompson	So the city does not have to build the units, but you would have to implement program eight as we'll revise to address that bear Cox's comments, but you would have to implement program eight to make those sites available. So you would either make those available as long-term leases or otherwise make them available and seek developers for those sites. So you would, you would have to be.
01:48:32.52	Helen Sobieski	the last.
01:48:49.78	Beth Thompson	working to get those sites developed, but you're not responsible for developing them.
01:48:54.81	Helen Sobieski	That's news information for me. So on the private property sites, the real perfecting action is to rezone it.
01:49:01.91	Helen Sobieski	residential with this new density and then it's up to the private property owner
01:49:06.48	Helen Sobieski	you know, to go with his or her financing and figure out how to build if they so chose.
01:49:10.74	Helen Sobieski	with the city-owned sites.
01:49:12.81	Helen Sobieski	Different.
01:49:13.64	Helen Sobieski	kind of perfection of the action, which is we have to execute this program in the housing element to actually long-term lease or otherwise connect with the developer.
01:49:22.43	Helen Sobieski	and that that's actually incumbent upon us to execute. That's part of the housing element.
01:49:27.36	Helen Sobieski	plan. That's what I hear you say. Did I articulate that? I see nodding Sergio. So
01:49:31.56	Sergio	Yeah, the main thing is that we do have a specific program on steps the city intends to take to
01:49:38.68	Sergio	develop those sites and we would be to demonstrate to HDD we're making new strides to achieve that program.
01:49:42.63	Helen Sobieski	and
01:49:45.99	Helen Sobieski	And if we fail to do that, then we might be subject to the
01:49:49.72	Helen Sobieski	The certification of our housing element.
01:49:52.11	Sergio	Correct. I, again, as long as the city is showing
01:49:57.40	Sergio	meaningful concrete actions to implement that program. You know, if no developers are interested in that site, obviously that's something outside of the city's control.
01:50:06.48	Sergio	But, you know, we do need to make meaningful
01:50:11.37	Sergio	meaningful steps towards implementing that program as soon as we
01:50:15.77	Sergio	those sites remaining in the site.
01:50:18.59	Helen Sobieski	Got it. So from the dice here next year, if this all goes according to plan, if these MLK site, for instance, is in there at any density, we would expect to see things on the agenda related to
01:50:30.10	Helen Sobieski	executing that program here with
01:50:32.40	Helen Sobieski	potential
01:50:33.61	Helen Sobieski	developers at MLK and other city-owned sites.
01:50:36.83	Sergio	Correct. And of course, the city would first need to deal with some of the preconditions, including the voter approval requirements before we do.
01:50:44.80	Sergio	begin those. So, you know, step one out of all those dealing with the
01:50:49.12	Sergio	ballot measures that are going to be discussed as part of the program. Thank you.
01:50:54.05	Brandon Phipps	If I may i'll just clarify that and say that we have. slightly amended that language to allow for the evaluation of sites that are not the city hall parking lot and are not the fire station, so long as they satisfy certain site selection criteria. So we've expanded our options within that realm if that's where we end up, however, that will require some additional analysis.
01:51:18.41	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to ask and then I'll turn to you, Councilmember Kaufman.
01:51:21.16	Karen Hollweg	Um,
01:51:23.39	Karen Hollweg	Beth and Brandon, I emailed to you earlier this afternoon a question regarding the Altamira site, which has been the subject of much correspondence that we received this afternoon.
01:51:35.51	Karen Hollweg	How, what?
01:51:37.58	Karen Hollweg	Did you receive my email?
01:51:39.98	Karen Hollweg	I did receive your email. Okay. So what are the implications of reducing the density at that site and how many units at that site are designated for very low and low income?
01:51:40.00	Unknown	I did receive your email.
01:51:53.61	Beth Thompson	I'm not.
01:51:53.89	Karen Hollweg	I do.
01:51:54.04	Beth Thompson	Let's pull that up. So that one actually has a fair amount of lower income units.
01:51:54.58	Karen Hollweg	that happened.
01:51:57.28	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:51:57.29	Helen Sobieski	of lower income units. On this particular site, I'm still getting clarity on whether I can participate because of, and it's a gray zone. So for the purposes of this meeting, without...
01:52:07.93	Helen Sobieski	without yet committing to recusing myself two weeks from now, I'm going to
01:52:12.45	Helen Sobieski	Step over there, or at least.
01:52:14.44	Karen Hollweg	So we are discussing sites...
01:52:19.18	Karen Hollweg	questions and answers regarding sites. We're not discussing.
01:52:21.69	Helen Sobieski	For the discussion of any ultimate mayor thing, I will stop off. But for the purposes of questioning, I'm just sitting here. Thank you.
01:52:24.02	Karen Hollweg	I will step off. For the purposes of questioning, I'm just sitting here. Okay, great.
01:52:27.95	Karen Hollweg	Because I have to similarly recuse myself.
01:52:31.63	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
01:52:31.97	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:52:32.01	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:52:34.25	Beth Thompson	And so I don't actually have the unit breakdown for all Samira in front of me. It'll take me just a minute to pull that up. So if you have another question or if you want to while I pull that up.
01:52:42.79	Unknown	I pulled that up.
01:52:43.53	Unknown	Thank you.
01:52:43.92	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:52:43.94	Unknown	I'll pass to Councilmember Hoffman.
01:52:46.25	Unknown	Yeah, this is a simple question. So for ADUs, are ADUs considered...
01:52:50.94	Unknown	Low or very low, just generally.
01:52:54.67	Beth Thompson	Amy Wisehart- 80 users spread out across different levels of affordability, so we did a survey and based kind of on on the feedback we got from that we refined some of the county wide assumptions for at affordability so they're.
01:53:07.44	Beth Thompson	mainly affordable
01:53:10.35	Beth Thompson	Well, they're affordable, I would say across all levels.
01:53:13.23	Beth Thompson	as you get the ADU applications in,
01:53:16.27	Beth Thompson	you'll have to verify the affordability in order to take credit toward the RHNA. So you'll have to have a survey that the
01:53:23.90	Beth Thompson	developer fills out.
01:53:25.84	Beth Thompson	And then you'll be able to take credit based on the actual affordability.
01:53:29.75	Unknown	So when we do our arena, but when we do our housing element, can we count those for which income level?
01:53:36.97	Unknown	So I see in our housing a lot though that we have
01:53:40.31	Unknown	adus and sb9 in extremely low low moderate like we have them apportioned so can we apportion uh certain adus um you know can we apportion if we add adus according to you know the lot splits or changes to the the law that allows more uh adus for right um can we apportion them i mean it looks like we can specifically just decide it would be
01:54:06.12	Beth Thompson	Yeah, it would be the same percentages that are currently being applied. So in that same manner, we would apportion any additional ones.
01:54:12.63	Unknown	Okay.
01:54:12.98	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
01:54:13.24	Unknown	Thanks.
01:54:14.72	Karen Hollweg	OK, so at Altamira, as currently listed, it's possible to have 153 units there. And that has raised concern for some of the neighbors. And indeed, our buffer has increased by 50 units. So I'm curious as to why we are designating that site at such a high density, and if that's necessary for our very low or low income quotas.
01:54:45.98	Karen Hollweg	So
01:54:47.04	Beth Thompson	It's kind of if...
01:54:49.00	Beth Thompson	when you change one, you know, it can affect your others. And so as soon as we reduce something
01:54:54.38	Beth Thompson	you'll have that effective.
01:54:56.99	Beth Thompson	having to look at
01:54:59.00	Beth Thompson	We'll have to look at how it affects everything. But here, I'm actually adding up all of the sites, all of the income levels right now so you can see how it affects that overall buffer.
01:55:09.82	Karen Hollweg	Okay, and then I do wanna follow on to vice mayor.
01:55:10.01	Beth Thompson	Maybe.
01:55:10.16	Unknown	Thank you.
01:55:14.38	Karen Hollweg	Woodside's question.
01:55:16.87	Karen Hollweg	Why did we increase our buffer by 50 units from 184 to 234?
01:55:25.24	Beth Thompson	The increased buffer came when we made some of the changes to reduce the density of some sites. I think we lost some affordable units and they increased some of the
01:55:34.61	Beth Thompson	Um,
01:55:36.92	Beth Thompson	It increased some of the above moderate and moderate and then we also added some sites because we don't, we did not want to go to HCD with just changes that stayed even. So this showed kind of a good faith effort on the part of the city demonstrating that you're working to still
01:55:51.91	Beth Thompson	incentivize and encourage housing
01:55:54.89	Beth Thompson	So it was a twofold reason.
01:55:59.16	Beth Thompson	And you don't have to have that exact buffer. I think there's a little flexibility, but I do think HCD is going to look as a scan certifying something that significantly decreases your buffer beyond what you currently have.
01:56:13.52	Beth Thompson	So at Altamira, the
01:56:16.51	Beth Thompson	The realistic capacity that's attributed to Altamira in the adopted housing element is 67 units, and that includes 39 very low, 18 low.
01:56:27.72	Beth Thompson	five moderate and five above moderate.
01:56:33.18	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
01:56:33.62	Karen Hollweg	And so.
01:56:35.12	Karen Hollweg	You said it's 67?
01:56:37.84	Unknown	Thank you.
01:56:37.86	Beth Thompson	Yes, I think the higher number might be with a density bonus. I'm not sure where the 150 number is coming from, and I would have to look at what someone referenced for that.
01:56:49.97	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I think we'll hear from that public comment. So I'm going to open public comment. The first card I have, please turn in a speaker card. If you have not already, the first speaker card I have is Rick Matkovich and next is John Story. Okay.
01:57:11.44	Babette McDougall	Sorry again.
01:57:11.83	Unknown	Thank you.
01:57:17.01	Rick Matkovich	So just for clarity, I am not Rick Maktovich. I'm his neighbor. And he had to leave because this meeting went on so long. And he's in back pain.
01:57:26.29	Karen Hollweg	I'm just getting started.
01:57:27.50	Rick Matkovich	I know.
01:57:30.27	Rick Matkovich	So this is written by Rick, but I am also a neighbor and empathize with some of the statements that he reads about this particular lot number 53.
01:57:42.73	Karen Hollweg	So you're 20 seconds into your two minutes.
01:57:44.70	Rick Matkovich	All right. My name is Rick Maktowicz and I live at 501 Benita and B Street, Katie Corner from our meeting here.
01:57:50.84	Rick Matkovich	Of immediate concern for me is the proposal to put 14 units on a very small, that's 0.15-acre narrow lot near City Hall.
01:57:59.78	Rick Matkovich	This is unsuitable and puts nearby properties at risk.
01:58:02.92	Rick Matkovich	The property steeply sloped and acts as a water drainage for the whole hillside, both with a concrete culvert and natural water percolation.
01:58:09.15	Rick Matkovich	The narrowness of the lot will prevent parking under the building,
01:58:13.99	Rick Matkovich	putting many more cars onto the street
01:58:15.98	Rick Matkovich	between the narrowness and the slope,
01:58:17.66	Rick Matkovich	current neighbors losing privacy and other neighbors losing views.
01:58:21.65	Rick Matkovich	I encourage city planners and city council members to simply step outside of City Hall, look at this lot, and see the risks involved.
01:58:28.56	Rick Matkovich	Essentially, this and other neighborhood infills try to solve the housing issue ineffectively and bit by bit. A few residents are disproportionately burdened by the disruption of the construction, the long-term reduction of quality of life, and decrease in property values.
01:58:43.42	Rick Matkovich	We look to the City Council to account for residents who can't muster large numbers to oppose individual lot development, and hope you can do so in this case.
01:58:52.01	Rick Matkovich	Thank you.
01:58:52.18	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
01:58:53.24	Rick Matkovich	Is that it?
01:58:54.56	Karen Hollweg	Oh, no, you have more. I thought you had finished.
01:58:56.28	Rick Matkovich	No, it's much longer. Yet to be fair, opposition to certain development compels a proposal for where to build instead. I would propose that City Council consider rejuvenating development in the marineship. There is considerable unused or unutilized land there.
01:59:11.18	Rick Matkovich	What Sausalito has on its hands is a once in a lifetime opportunity
01:59:15.06	Rick Matkovich	transform a marine ship into a mixed-use mecca, and visit the Pearl District in Portland or Port Townsend, Washington.
01:59:22.15	Rick Matkovich	Okay.
01:59:22.27	Karen Hollweg	Okay, thank you. I'm going to ask folks to refrain from calling out or clapping so we can run our meeting.
01:59:28.55	Karen Hollweg	efficiently. John's story
01:59:30.37	Karen Hollweg	followed by Jim Madden.
01:59:32.99	John Story	Hi, I live at 521 Nevada Street and have for the last 31 years. Your proposal to build a 35-unit building across the street would block my view of Mount Tam, which I've had, again, for 31 years. I would strongly appreciate you looking at that site and considering a smaller number, because I in tostolito of all places views are priced and um i think if any one of you
02:00:06.95	John Story	had a building to be built across the street from your house that would block your view, you obviously would not vote for it.
02:00:13.81	John Story	That's all I have to say.
02:00:14.87	John Story	Thank you.
02:00:15.27	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. We'll hear from Jim Madden and then Jed Dempsey. Welcome, Jim.
02:00:20.84	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:00:21.62	Jim Madden	That's your Matt.
02:00:22.58	Jim Madden	represent the Mary Madden LLC. Site 44, which was mentioned earlier, 1319 Bridgeway. What in going from three to two would not be good. They're going to three to four would be great. We would not be exchanging the exterior building other than the garage door. So a low impact project helps save MLK, other things that need be saving.
02:00:49.56	Jim Madden	Another thing I noticed on here is 210 Caledonia.
02:00:54.36	Jim Madden	was removed.
02:00:56.38	Jim Madden	I haven't actually studied doing that building.
02:00:59.69	Jim Madden	But there is a potential for pickup, once again,
02:01:02.90	Jim Madden	we would not change the footprint, existing footprint. And you just got to pick up,
02:01:09.85	Jim Madden	Thank you.
02:01:09.97	Jim Madden	Thank you.
02:01:10.10	Jim Madden	MLK or whatever fire stations you got if you want to keep these these are small projects and
02:01:17.85	Jim Madden	But if you've got a bunch of small projects where you're losing two to four units,
02:01:22.93	Jim Madden	And they're not controversial.
02:01:24.68	Jim Madden	You're not building out.
02:01:26.52	Jim Madden	I think you should keep them.
02:01:28.21	Jim Madden	and then you can save your bigger
02:01:30.08	Jim Madden	bigger stuff you want because a bunch of little numbers
02:01:34.23	Jim Madden	adds up to a big number.
02:01:36.73	Jim Madden	at the end of the day. So you have a benefit.
02:01:42.32	Jim Madden	Thank you.
02:01:43.02	Karen Hollweg	Ew.
02:01:43.18	Jim Madden	you
02:01:44.59	Karen Hollweg	Jed Dempsey, and then Adriana Denehit.
02:01:47.45	Karen Hollweg	Dinahenian.
02:01:49.59	Jed Dempsey	Hi, I'm Jed Dempsey. I live on Bulkley Avenue. A bunch of my neighbors are in the audience and I don't know if they'll be speaking. I have a lot of concern about the Altamira project. Haven't heard much about it. It's kind of, in my view, a landmine in the middle of this whole thing.
02:02:12.79	Jed Dempsey	The number of 153 is astronomical. Even a number of 67 is
02:02:22.11	Jed Dempsey	The density of the existing multi family in that area is 15 to 20 per acre.
02:02:40.01	Jed Dempsey	It is not 70 per acre.
02:02:43.02	Jed Dempsey	It is right next to the historic district. Some of the buildings on the north side, sorry, on the uphill side are, I believe, part of the historic district. So I guess my request is that you guys think very carefully about this. And I wanted to say, actually, I'm grateful to all of you for
02:03:03.08	Jed Dempsey	The attention, this is obviously very important to an awful lot of people. And it's a lot of work, and I'm grateful for that. But please think carefully about Altamira.
02:03:15.13	Jed Dempsey	Thank you.
02:03:16.77	Karen Hollweg	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew,
02:03:19.77	Karen Hollweg	Babette McDougall.
02:03:23.65	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:03:23.67	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	Thank you.
02:03:23.68	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:03:23.72	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	Thank you for the correct pronunciation.
02:03:27.68	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	Hello, City Council and city employees. I'm speaking about Martin Luther King Park. Two little items. One is people have asked me,
02:03:38.65	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	What would 80 units on that site look like? And you can look up at the Anchorage apartments, seven buildings, I believe, three...
02:03:49.32	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	What?
02:03:50.67	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	13, three stories high. Folks, not to call out, please. Three stories high. I can see seven from where I am. That's what it would look like on a much, much smaller space. The other thing I want to say is that MLK Park is not a good place to put residential because it's a very loud area. Kids screaming, adults laughing, dogs barking, the Zumba class with their music playing. It's not a place that people would be happy to live in. Right next to the pickleball courts, right next to the tennis courts, right next to the basketball courts. There's noise there all the time. And hundreds of people on the weekends, and even during the week, hundreds of people use that park. It's very, very well attended, and we would be losing our off-street parking, which would be really, really tragic.
02:04:46.96	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	So please, let's get rid of MLK on the list. Thank you. Thank you.
02:04:52.28	Karen Hollweg	Bebet McDougall and then Ian Sobieski.
02:04:58.00	Karen Hollweg	speaking as an individual.
02:05:02.62	Babette McDougall	Thank you for recognizing me, Babette MacDougall, Girard Avenue, Sausalito. So, of course, two minutes left.
02:05:10.86	Babette McDougall	You know, let's just take up that word de novo. You lawyers especially know it's Latin. It means to make new, to renew something.
02:05:19.63	Babette McDougall	Okay, so here's our chance, since we're using a consulting
02:05:23.46	Babette McDougall	group apparently, at least one person for sure.
02:05:26.30	Babette McDougall	in the de novo mix. Let's be new about a lot of things. You know, there's a lot of interesting things that are
02:05:31.58	Babette McDougall	being said tonight, which is promising. So I would like to see a more integrated approach as we go forward, because it's very confusing. We need a glossary of terms. And I think if you really want to engage your constituents, then you need to be mindful of the will of your constituents. Now, if the majority of people speak up and they say, don't even think of touching City Hall, and you flout that, and you bring City Hall back on the list anyway, despite the overwhelming opposition from your own constituents...
02:06:01.69	Babette McDougall	I don't know if that's the idea of how you were, because you think you're representative government agents and therefore you get to call the shots. I don't know. I would think carefully about that. So again, a gossery of terms would be nice. And as for some of these other issues, I think the landmark conversation
02:06:18.53	Babette McDougall	And the density reduction issue is really quite important. So I'm glad to hear you guys opening it up too.
02:06:24.28	Babette McDougall	smaller, maybe more, but smaller, instead of a few giants. This is not New York.
02:06:29.83	Babette McDougall	It's not San Francisco.
02:06:32.72	Babette McDougall	and the views really do matter. So thank you very much.
02:06:35.38	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:06:36.72	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. Ian Sobieski and then Michael Rex.
02:06:42.37	Helen Sobieski	Hi, is it a cancel?
02:06:42.44	Karen Hollweg	He said,
02:06:43.75	Helen Sobieski	Because of the proximity of this Altamira site to my home, as I'm still investigating whether I'm allowed to participate, I'm making this comment as a member of the public.
02:06:52.97	Helen Sobieski	Altamira, as we have seen on other sites that were in the housing element that was certified, can use a density bonus to create a very large number of units at that location. So with the density bonus, it might be 130, 140 units. That is going to impact the community in much the same way that you saw a reaction from the community around other sites where density bonuses like that are used.
02:07:19.58	Helen Sobieski	So I would encourage the city council on that site to consider
02:07:23.33	Helen Sobieski	Well, we encourage it to reduce it to 29.
02:07:26.43	Helen Sobieski	That is the zoning that would still allow significant housing to be built at that site and help spread the sites around.
02:07:34.06	Helen Sobieski	the city.
02:07:35.31	Helen Sobieski	when you squeeze the balloon somewhere, you have to, it has to go somewhere else. And so,
02:07:41.13	Helen Sobieski	I would encourage the city council to engage in a parallel process to find other places where housing can be affirmatively built that isn't simply tolerated, but actually embraced by the community. And there's a whole path of urban design that we could engage in as a parallel path that would allow us to find those sites.
02:08:01.16	Helen Sobieski	and actually build public support.
02:08:03.56	Helen Sobieski	for and retain local control.
02:08:06.54	Helen Sobieski	because we'd be able to use a thing called the Community Development Agreement.
02:08:09.97	Helen Sobieski	So we should try to get by and stay out of builder's remedy. And that's an imperative. But if we do that by
02:08:19.69	Helen Sobieski	giving away a high density zoning allowance to any particular site, then we can create a real problem for that neighborhood and for the entire city. So please consider reducing the Altamira site to 29. Thank you.
02:08:34.77	Karen Hollweg	Thank you, Michael Rex, and then Albert Strickman.
02:08:40.24	Michael Rex	Hello, I'm Michael Rex, local architect. And, um,
02:08:43.65	Michael Rex	I heard tonight there's pass forward to...
02:08:47.99	Michael Rex	Thank you.
02:08:48.12	Michael Rex	evaluate other sites besides the opportunity sites. And I don't see that that's possible on commercial properties within Ordinance 1022. We have a proposed ballot measure on your agenda tonight when I'll speak on this further. But right now, if you want any density added to commercial sites that under 1022,
02:09:21.69	Michael Rex	I think that's a good thing.
02:09:25.62	Michael Rex	Um, and, and, uh,
02:09:27.76	Michael Rex	We don't have a path forward. My office is getting called from property owners that are becoming aware that.
02:09:34.31	Michael Rex	uh, Hey, our office, uh, market's dead. We want to convert, uh, our, uh, building or upstairs, uh, to residential. And, um, if they're under the, uh, 10, 22, uh,
02:09:47.99	Michael Rex	limitation.
02:09:49.84	Michael Rex	it would require another ballot measure.
02:09:52.84	Michael Rex	And that,
02:09:53.65	Michael Rex	That's just a way of saying, no, it'll never happen.
02:09:56.16	Michael Rex	So we probably really need to look at that.
02:10:00.52	Michael Rex	if we want to pass forward to consider our sites. And when we do consider our sites, we'll get less density on specific sites. Spread it out. And so this is something I urge you to look at. Thank you.
02:10:12.68	Karen Hollweg	Thank you, Michael.
02:10:14.79	Karen Hollweg	Albert Strickman, and then Alice Merrill.
02:10:21.83	Albert Streetman	Hello everyone, I'm Albert. I live in Saucedo. Albert Streetman.
02:10:25.76	Karen Hollweg	Don't worry about that.
02:10:27.13	Albert Streetman	I'd like to remind everyone we've been told the sole reason for rezoning the marineship industrial areas is to meet the state mandate for additional housing units. I question why there is any suggestion of changing zoning throughout this area to overshoot that quota when a plan is in place with the purpose of protecting vulnerable jobs for hardworking people that rely on these specific protections. I will remind everyone having housing built next door and on top of these industrial spaces simply won't work. It would be extremely disruptive to the people that intend to live in these rezoned areas, and it would also violate DTSC and EPA guidelines. On the other side of the fence, limitations imposed on industrial working spaces would prevent work from being completed. Shortly thereafter, rezoning in the marineship, you would see the end of industrial trades in Sausalito, creating a ripple effect throughout our community.
02:11:21.75	Albert Streetman	First, the blue collar jobs in our maritime trades would be lost. The exact industry that thousands of people in Sausalito who live on houseboats or floating homes rely on for the service would be gone.
02:11:34.39	Albert Streetman	In turn, leaving the homes vulnerable to disrepair or destruction. Are we willing to lose a large part of our culture to appease the thirst to develop our town? I suggest we move slowly and consider what is at stake when we go to rezone areas. That's maritime history has defined our community and was at one point the backbone of industry.
02:11:55.28	Albert Streetman	Thank you.
02:11:56.53	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:11:57.51	Karen Hollweg	Alice Merrill and then Fari Tabatabai.
02:12:03.30	Unknown	Um, Alice Merrill, 117 Caledonia. I, uh, ditto what, um,
02:12:10.93	Unknown	Albert, Albert, just I was about to say Peter, that's his father. And the marineship is so, so important and so vulnerable. And this is my thing. Everybody knows it.
02:12:25.57	Unknown	But it's true. And people who don't know about
02:12:30.97	Unknown	or care about the Marin ship don't realize what, how much of an impact it would have to have
02:12:39.65	Unknown	any kind of housing really of any kind of substantial or even small,
02:12:44.76	Unknown	amounts down there. Um,
02:12:46.70	Unknown	it will shut down the maritime and trades and the industrial
02:12:53.82	Unknown	center. And that's been here. That's our history. That's important. It's just important. And I will say that since I have a little bit of time, I grew up here.
02:13:07.05	Unknown	I'm infinitely aware that the people who live on the Hill don't know about the Marineship and how important it is, because
02:13:16.96	Unknown	Because I happen to have a father who
02:13:20.27	Unknown	who had boats in his blood. So I knew that,
02:13:23.57	Unknown	But our neighbors didn't know.
02:13:25.28	Unknown	except for the fact that they knew us.
02:13:27.93	Unknown	And, you know, it just...
02:13:31.02	Unknown	It's just a huge, important place, and we can't lose it. We just can't. It's my thing. Thank you.
02:13:39.05	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:13:40.79	Karen Hollweg	Fari Tabatabai, Mark Coleman.
02:13:47.10	SPEAKER_02	Yes. Hi. Thank you. You pronounce my name very well.
02:13:51.20	SPEAKER_02	.
02:13:51.79	SPEAKER_02	I'm speaking about the MLK parcel, parcel 84.
02:13:56.89	Unknown	for
02:13:58.12	SPEAKER_02	I
02:13:59.96	SPEAKER_02	I live in the area and I just, there's a bit of a background.
02:14:05.29	SPEAKER_02	I have spent 25 years
02:14:09.73	SPEAKER_02	in preparing
02:14:12.07	SPEAKER_02	NEPA SQL documents. So when I see an inadequate NEPA SQL document,
02:14:19.21	SPEAKER_02	You know, I can tell.
02:14:21.98	SPEAKER_02	So, um,
02:14:25.51	SPEAKER_02	What I want to specifically talk about with regards to this CEQA document is the inadequacy of the traffic studies that are presented in this study.
02:14:39.16	SPEAKER_02	in the report. The traffic issues related to MLK Park is very significant. When you add 90, even 90 units of housing
02:14:54.01	SPEAKER_02	on top of the recreational area and you have
02:14:58.48	SPEAKER_02	kids running in and out of Coloma Street, along Coloma Street,
02:15:05.52	SPEAKER_02	it represents a serious hazard to the public.
02:15:10.24	SPEAKER_02	So I strongly recommend that you take a look at the traffic studies
02:15:16.18	SPEAKER_02	and pay more attention to have a more due diligence
02:15:23.45	SPEAKER_02	you know, look at that.
02:15:24.97	SPEAKER_02	I have a little bit of time left. I had brought this issue up the last time, and that is the allocation of the 700, the required 700 units. I asked what is being done to rectify that number, the appeal that was rejected. And I haven't heard anything about
02:15:46.98	SPEAKER_02	what the city's plans are.
02:15:49.22	SPEAKER_02	to rectify, you know, that number. Thank you.
02:15:51.85	Unknown	Thank you.
02:15:53.76	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:15:53.80	SPEAKER_02	you
02:15:54.25	SPEAKER_02	at mark
02:15:54.98	Karen Hollweg	Coleman and then Vicki Nichols. If anyone else would like to speak, please turn in a speaker card.
02:16:04.22	Rick Matkovich	Law Council members, I'm speaking as myself, long-term South Australia resident, live across the road. And first I just want to say how painful it is to see
02:16:14.87	Rick Matkovich	how this is impacting everybody in Sausalito and creating a sense of division where we need unity. There's a sense of nobody wants these buildings,
02:16:24.05	Rick Matkovich	in our backyards. Nobody does. And yet, and they...
02:16:27.56	Rick Matkovich	I just feel how painful there's this division between different neighborhoods, different communities.
02:16:33.42	Rick Matkovich	And it's just really heartbreaking.
02:16:35.73	Rick Matkovich	What brought me up here is I feel a certain unclarity about how to engage with this process as a resident, as a homeowner. We're also facing looking at 14 units going up high in front of our house blocking our view.
02:16:50.06	Rick Matkovich	Um, and so there's some questions. One about how does a citizen engage other than coming to these meetings?
02:16:57.50	Rick Matkovich	writing occasionally, but it feels like this process is being done to us, and I know you're also feeling that because the state's imposing that on us. But for example, who decides on
02:17:09.44	Rick Matkovich	Density allotment per acre who I don't know who's that who done is it the consultant we're using there is it this is it who knows how do we contest the density of a particular site is there a way to engage in that is there a way to understand the criteria.
02:17:28.43	Rick Matkovich	Is there a way to also...
02:17:30.84	Rick Matkovich	I heard in previous meetings about build a density bonus.
02:17:34.77	Rick Matkovich	I think our site was allocated for six units, but with builder density bonus, they get 14 units. Is that contestable? And what is the basis for the inclusion or removal of a site from the total allocation? So these are just questions, but they're coming from a place of not wanting to engage more and not knowing how to engage. So I'd love more clarity on that at some point. Thank you.
02:18:00.91	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:18:01.74	Karen Hollweg	Please give your email, Mr. Coleman, to Brandon Phipps. He's raising his hand, and he will send you notifications every time an action is taken in connection with this process.
02:18:15.12	Karen Hollweg	Vicki Nichols and then Joel Karp.
02:18:20.02	Vicki Nichols	Good evening, Mayor Cox and council members. Mine is more of a question. I appreciate the hearing and I know how hard this is. It's been going on for a long time. But I also know that we have these laws that we have to comply with. Everybody does. My question, I heard two different, I thought I heard two different things tonight. And my question is around when opportunity sites are identified in a particular housing element and the
02:18:49.97	Vicki Nichols	Um,
02:18:52.08	Vicki Nichols	desired results are not met, and that those sites roll over to the next element. Is it not true that some of them roll over and they are there by right?
02:19:03.66	Vicki Nichols	And I'm saying this in regards to the more sites that we add, if we don't meet our 724 units, we're going to have additional locations that will be eligible by right, which means no consideration. Just come in and do it. I think that's an important thing that I haven't heard addressed tonight. Thank you.
02:19:26.25	Karen Hollweg	Joel Carr.
02:19:28.38	Karen Hollweg	And then we'll turn to our online
02:19:31.65	Karen Hollweg	speakers.
02:19:33.41	Joel Carr	Hello, Joel Carr, architect and homeowner in Sausalito, San Francisco. I want to speak to a lot of dis and misinformation I've been hearing now for years about the marineship. I have actually been developing a series of case studies, all of which I'm happy to share with the council and the public, whoever would like, looking at small, historic, working waterfront towns all over the country. Several in the Northeast, a couple in Florida, a couple in the West Coast, all of which are historic and very active working waterfronts that have instituted
02:20:18.19	Joel Carr	development programs that not only actually
02:20:21.89	Joel Carr	preserved but also increased the number of maritime businesses, housing, retail, entertainment, and various other uses in very creative and exciting ways that our whole marineship could take as examples of how to develop in thoughtful ways and create synergies and new activity that also supports the maritime businesses in the marineship. I would really like to see a little bit more openness from the no marine ship development crowd at looking at these kinds of examples where they've been done successfully and over the course of many years. So someone needs to let me know if they want to see the information. Thanks. Thanks.
02:21:12.07	Karen Hollweg	City Clerk.
02:21:14.45	City Clerk	Okay. We have...
02:21:15.85	Karen Hollweg	You have to turn in a speaker slip, sir.
02:21:18.00	City Clerk	He did not turn 100 for 5A.
02:21:20.55	Bert Drobnis	to speak on number three, which was stuff that was not on the agenda, and want to speak on item number five.
02:21:26.82	Karen Hollweg	All right, Mr. Drobnis, please come forward, and apologies for that. I did not receive it.
02:21:31.43	Bert Drobnis	Once again, I'm Bert Drobnis. I live at the Anchorage. The information that I'm going to present to the City Council has been obtained from sources deemed to be reliable.
02:21:42.47	Bert Drobnis	The city of Sausalito has 1.8 square miles of land, and our arena number.
02:21:47.80	Bert Drobnis	is 724.
02:21:50.89	Bert Drobnis	Corte Madero, 3.164 square miles, 176% of the square miles of Sausalito. Their number is 725.
02:22:01.99	Bert Drobnis	Mill Valley, 4.7 square miles, 260% of the land of Sausalito.
02:22:08.99	Bert Drobnis	Their arena number is 865. And Novato has 27.49 square miles, 1,527 percent
02:22:19.91	Bert Drobnis	of the size of Sausalito.
02:22:21.92	Bert Drobnis	And their number.
02:22:23.47	Bert Drobnis	It's only 2,090 units.
02:22:25.97	Bert Drobnis	My point in bringing this to the city council is I understand that you filed an appeal with HCD and it was denied. I urge the city council to appeal once again. This number is egregious and ruins our city. They included, as has been told, land outside of the city confines. This is wrong, and I urge the city council to rectify this. As far as the marineship goes, it is my understanding that a private landowner in the marineship has offered his property to be developed in order to meet the housing element number. I strongly urge.
02:23:04.97	Bert Drobnis	the city council to look at that. If we can combine reducing the number by appeal and adding the marineship, it'll put less stress on the entire city and every single community because I
02:23:20.04	Bert Drobnis	I do agree. It affects everyone within the city, and nobody wants to be affected to the extent that I have heard this evening. I've lived at the Anchorage for 42 years. I know what people have spoken about.
02:23:32.86	Bert Drobnis	Thank you.
02:23:33.77	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. Thank you for those statistics.
02:23:36.47	Karen Hollweg	Justine Khan.
02:23:41.96	SPEAKER_08	Hi, City Council. Thank you. I just I I live on Columbus Street right across the street from the park, MLK Park, and I wanted to come and second actually what Bert just said.
02:23:54.90	SPEAKER_08	I urge the City Council to look at the Golden Gate Recreation Area
02:23:58.85	SPEAKER_08	and see if we can lower the amount of density that we are required to build. I'm still unclear how that was rectified and why we're not looking at that as a potential solution.
02:24:13.28	SPEAKER_08	The other thing I wanted to say is just that we use the park.
02:24:17.51	SPEAKER_08	It is the perk about living in that part of Sausalito. We don't have views of the ocean where I live. We have views of the park.
02:24:26.49	SPEAKER_08	It's where I go with my daughter. It's also where my daughter goes to school. Her school uses the park every day during their lunch.
02:24:34.57	SPEAKER_08	It's a place where
02:24:36.77	SPEAKER_08	We go to hang out with our friends and people walk their dogs. It's a gathering place and it is the center of our part of town. And so I really urge the city council to take seriously taking MLK Park off of the list. I also have a business in the Marin ship.
02:24:53.63	SPEAKER_08	If you build in the Marin ship,
02:24:56.12	SPEAKER_08	the density in the area, my business will be relocated.
02:25:00.36	SPEAKER_08	I would rather that happen than have it be built in the middle of our park.
02:25:05.62	SPEAKER_08	I have a very soft spot for the marineship. I think it is an incredible place. It's where I employ people. It's where I spend my days. It's where my husband spends his days. It's an important part of our city. And I also agree that we need to move slowly and think very complexly about how we think about expanding in that area. Thank you so much for your work. And that's all I have to say. Thank you.
02:25:32.64	Unknown	Thank you.
02:25:32.98	City Clerk	.
02:25:33.28	Unknown	City Clerk.
02:25:36.89	City Clerk	Okay, first speaker, Sandra Bushmaker.
02:25:41.91	Sandra Bushmaker	Hello, counsel again.
02:25:43.44	Sandra Bushmaker	Couple of things I wanted to comment on.
02:25:46.17	Sandra Bushmaker	First of all, I said last night I sat through the Catalyst California meeting and the man from Southern California who started California cities for local control was
02:25:57.57	Sandra Bushmaker	Once again,
02:25:58.78	Sandra Bushmaker	trying to get more city councils involved. Their focus has been completely to the city councils in California to oppose some of these egregious laws coming out of Sacramento.
02:26:10.29	Sandra Bushmaker	So I'm sure that's on the Catalyst California website to be able to see that meeting.
02:26:17.51	Sandra Bushmaker	Also, I'm very surprised to see the firehouse on Spanser
02:26:23.47	Sandra Bushmaker	and City Hall put back on the list when there was really, really strong opposition to that and the Berg property.
02:26:31.52	Sandra Bushmaker	And you were presented with 1300 signatures opposing that particular site.
02:26:37.54	Sandra Bushmaker	Having, excuse me, my dog is course acting as soon as I speak.
02:26:43.26	Sandra Bushmaker	Um,
02:26:44.63	Sandra Bushmaker	Having attended all the housing element meetings, all the city council meetings, the working group, all of the element of housing element meetings.
02:26:52.93	Sandra Bushmaker	I'm really surprised to see these properties even being considered again.
02:26:57.52	Sandra Bushmaker	And you know that the...
02:27:00.80	Sandra Bushmaker	uh,
02:27:01.91	Sandra Bushmaker	area north of
02:27:05.49	Sandra Bushmaker	Harbour Drive in the Marin ship was included as a housing opportunity site.
02:27:11.36	Sandra Bushmaker	And lastly, I just wanted to comment on the buffer.
02:27:14.75	Sandra Bushmaker	I have a...
02:27:15.65	Sandra Bushmaker	a really difficult time with the high buffer. We've increased it by 50 in this amended housing element.
02:27:22.11	Sandra Bushmaker	And the increases were mostly in the moderate and above moderate.
02:27:27.64	Sandra Bushmaker	That is an irony to me when the whole
02:27:30.75	Sandra Bushmaker	thrust of housing laws in California lately has been for affordable housing. So could we not load up our very low and low categories?
02:27:44.27	City Clerk	Our next speaker is Jennifer Nemo.
02:27:52.40	SPEAKER_05	Hi, good evening, counsel. Can you hear me?
02:27:56.21	Unknown	Yes, we hear you.
02:27:57.36	SPEAKER_05	OK, great. Thank you. Thank you and good evening.
02:28:01.04	SPEAKER_05	I want to say thank you for listening to the concerns that we've expressed over time about MLK Park and for your attempts to accommodate those concerns.
02:28:09.56	SPEAKER_05	However, asking the people of Sausalito to choose between three options or suffer the fate of Builder's Remedy isn't quite what we had in mind. There are dozens of other city-owned sites throughout Sausalito. There are acres of land in Marinship, sites 67 and 68, for example, that have been well considered in the process but later removed, notably not by a vote of the people and also not as advised by your Housing Element Advisory Committee, the HEAC.
02:28:37.64	SPEAKER_05	The housing element plan has a large buffer, as we've talked about tonight, above the necessary requirements. And I love the idea of the ADU SB9 option that was discussed to Dine, a new idea to maybe increase those numbers with incentives to make sure that that happens. Please don't leave us pigeonholed in choosing between these three sites. And please know we do not want housing inside our park.
02:29:02.13	City Clerk	Thank you.
02:29:04.19	City Clerk	Next speaker is Aaron Nathan.
02:29:07.27	Babette McDougall	Aaron who?
02:29:08.34	City Clerk	you
02:29:08.39	Unknown	you
02:29:08.41	City Clerk	Thank you.
02:29:08.45	City Clerk	Nathan.
02:29:09.81	Unknown	Thank you, counsel and everyone for your comments and the information today. I live directly across from Site 84, MLK Park at 607 Coloma. And I wanted to point out that when you analyze the numbers proposed, there's roughly over 70% of the very low income housing is actually set to be within basically the intersection of Gloma and Bridgeway. And I think that this is in flagrant violation of the part of what these housing mandates are trying to do, which is create equitable housing. So I think that this will actually backfire. And so using MLK as basically the dumping ground for our lowest income and low income areas is just not actually going to work.
02:29:56.08	Unknown	The second piece that I wanted to point out is that when you look at the density, you guys talk in units of MU49 and these cryptic elements. Most of us are thinking about it in terms of how tall are these buildings. Looking at Whiskey Springs as an example, that's roughly half the density at which what is proposed for that site. And so in order to get the density numbers of 94, even the supposedly 80 units that are lower, we would need a three to four story structure built
02:30:26.81	Unknown	basically right behind the school. And so I think that that's completely unacceptable. And I just wanted to provide real numbers that the people that live in these areas will actually understand what's being proposed. And a four-story structure that's basically twice the size of Whiskey Springs is really just insanity. So hopefully that sheds some light and I urge the council to severely consider the impact this will have to the area that we live in. Thanks.
02:31:00.62	City Clerk	Next speaker is Carmela Davis.
02:31:04.67	Unknown	Hello, City Council members. My name is Carmella Davis. I was born and raised in Marin County, and I currently work as a housing specialist with the Marin Environmental Housing Collaborative, also known as MEC.
02:31:17.21	Unknown	MEC is a local nonprofit that advocates for environmentally friendly and sustainable, affordable housing. And my comments tonight will be on behalf of the organization. I'm speaking to you today to strongly emphasize the importance of planning for housing sites that will have an actual pathway to being built. We are in a housing crisis, and due to that, Sausalito needs to produce more housing. As you know, the housing element needs to meet the RENA requirement of 724 new units. MEC has concerns that the current primary objective has been getting approval, but the sites that are included are not all workable. Some sites are included where the owner has not yet been contacted, and some sites do have owner interest that were approved by the housing element advisory committee that have now been discarded the housing element needs to include vetted sites and we at mech are urging the review and approval of such sites and as you have heard tonight there are you know a
02:32:18.96	Unknown	good recommendation about finding as many sites as you can to build housing and
02:32:24.48	Unknown	so that there won't be...
02:32:26.18	Unknown	Sites that have so much opposition, but in order to do that, you need to be carefully vetting and making sure that these will have actual pathways moving forward.
02:32:34.62	Unknown	And on a personal note, I would like to comment on the discussions around ADUs tonight. I just want to emphasize the fact it's not a guarantee an ADU will actually go on the market to the public and might go to a family member, whereas new multifamily housing will be affordable and accessible to people of all income brackets. ADUs also do not need to be built accessible for people with disabilities. It's not always required by the ADA. So I thank you for people with disabilities. It's not always required by the ADA. So I thank you for your time tonight and appreciate it.
02:33:06.61	City Clerk	Next speaker is John.
02:33:16.21	SPEAKER_34	Good evening, Council. Thank you for listening to us. Just a few comments about the housing element in general. I believe the piecemeal approach causes more anxiety
02:33:27.08	SPEAKER_34	and much consternation than if the city had implemented a mixed-use residential master plan for all of marineship long ago.
02:33:35.75	SPEAKER_34	At the end of last year, the Planning Commission discussed the Council's decision to remove opportunity sites and marine ships south of Harbor Drive, specifically sites number 67 and 68.
02:33:47.58	SPEAKER_34	The discussion talked about how that's a missed opportunity.
02:33:51.80	SPEAKER_34	and also would make, if that was put back in, it would make the rezoning of MLK Park unnecessary. Any ballot measure rezoning Marinship should include all of Marinship and take the MLK Site 84 off the list for this round of the housing element. I believe a further discussion on developing, potentially developing that site is needed. It's specifically incorporating the schools. That site has always been contemplated for a community center at some point in the future. And we have an opportunity to have a true discussion on what to do there. Thank you.
02:34:34.38	City Clerk	Next speaker, Ben Dean.
02:34:38.65	SPEAKER_12	Hello, council. I'm a resident on Olima Street right across the street from MLK Park. I would just echo the sentiment around MLK. I think it should just be removed at this point. You would be impacting significantly a community and also, you know, economics. Your largest leaseholder today is sharing this parking lot and needs it for the purposes of school. Right. And parking for the facilities. And I think, you know, missed opportunity is the other thing that you should take away today around the marinship. There seems to be a lot of land available that is currently underutilized. And I would echo the thoughts from the architect around treating it as an opportunity. We have the opportunity to revitalize a really underutilized part of the city that today residents aren't going to. And there's an opportunity to dramatically transform that. Let's take this and bring another renaissance to Sausalito. Thanks.
02:35:34.35	City Clerk	Next speaker is Sybil Boutillier.
02:35:41.90	Sybil Boutillier	Mm-hmm.
02:35:42.84	Sybil Boutillier	Um,
02:35:43.80	Sybil Boutillier	Good evening, Mayor, City Council members. There were a number of things I just wanted to point out. There's been a number of wordsmithing changes to the draft that aren't redlined. I'm not sure when those happen.
02:35:58.72	Sybil Boutillier	um,
02:35:59.93	Sybil Boutillier	And mostly the ones I've been looking at obviously have to do with age friendly senior housing. I could point out specifics.
02:36:11.66	Sybil Boutillier	One thing I specifically was wondering about
02:36:16.29	Sybil Boutillier	When I looked at a document yesterday of the submitted
02:36:20.93	Sybil Boutillier	housing element, it had a goal number,
02:36:26.02	Sybil Boutillier	Thank you.
02:36:26.14	Sybil Boutillier	H4, Section 26, that stated that the
02:36:33.26	Sybil Boutillier	City Council or the staff, anyway, the city would direct Age Family Sausalito to present by December 24, December 2024,
02:36:45.36	Sybil Boutillier	um
02:36:46.49	Sybil Boutillier	some review and report on universal service and visitability. I cannot find that anymore in the current draft.
02:36:57.53	Sybil Boutillier	And I had discussed that with our community
02:37:01.88	Sybil Boutillier	a development director in the fall and he had said that was, you know, we should deal with it a little bit later.
02:37:08.25	Sybil Boutillier	And I'm, you know, so I recently sent him some material on that.
02:37:13.21	Sybil Boutillier	Um,
02:37:14.45	Sybil Boutillier	But there were a few other things. On page 84, I wondered why CD 4.41 crossed out the word supportive housing.
02:37:24.75	Sybil Boutillier	Um,
02:37:26.03	Sybil Boutillier	And at LU
02:37:29.05	Sybil Boutillier	1.20.3
02:37:32.33	Sybil Boutillier	Um,
02:37:33.31	Sybil Boutillier	Under Age-Friendly Living,
02:37:35.55	Sybil Boutillier	has been added to that section. I mean, all that language is different, but it specifically says that something that would be made
02:37:44.90	City Clerk	Next speaker.
02:37:45.07	Karen Hollweg	Hold on one second, City Clerk. Sybil, your time is ended. You had a number of detailed comments that we weren't able to scribe as you were speaking. Would you kindly send them to our Community Development Director, Brandon Phipps, with a copy to me? Thank you.
02:38:03.61	City Clerk	Speaker is Nicole.
02:38:07.63	Nicole Belfoy	Hi, City Council. Thanks so much for allowing the opportunity to speak. My name is Nicole Belfoy and I live in the Whiskey Springs Willows area. So I just wanted to say first that while I appreciate all of the work that's been done, I do agree with so many comments that this is causing a big divide between our community. It feels like at first it was sort of north versus south, historic versus not. But the big picture is that something just feels wrong. So we really do need to look at that appealing of the 724 unit allotment. It feels like just given the stats, like it just we can't stop that appeal process, like continue, continue. We've got so much going on in the world. Like this is causing strife within our community. And I also just want to say that we're asking for creativity and transparency, proper planning, a real pathway to being built. These opportunity sites that are missing, it seems like, why are there so many questions that are coming up tonight about it? Altamira sounds a little scary, building such a huge thing on a hillside. But let's also talk about MLK, of course, like the traffic concerns are real. At Whiskey Springs, it's going to be unique because we're actually going to be surrounded by many of these new complexes. And I'm going to say that we have a lot of disruption already, not only between the noise for the construction that's been going on at the school, but we have a lot of break-ins. There's a lot of easy on-off access there and also traffic. The traffic concerns are huge. I think that, you know,
02:39:45.18	Nicole Belfoy	Police force, everything would need to spend a little bit more time up here in the north that we're just not getting. So while density is hard, I don't feel like this north side of town feels like an easy target. It feels overpopulated. And we already have the school and we have what is equivalent of the only community center Sausalito has. And that's MLK Park.
02:40:10.73	City Clerk	That no more further public speakers.
02:40:13.90	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. I'm going to close public comment. We'll bring it back up here for any further questions and comment. But first, we're going to take a five-minute break for personal convenience. Thank you.
02:40:25.87	Karen Hollweg	We're talking about some logistics. I'm going to resume this meeting.
02:40:26.83	Unknown	So,
02:40:33.48	Karen Hollweg	Could I have guys step outside if you'd like to talk?
02:40:36.99	Karen Hollweg	I'm gonna resume. The two people in the front row.
02:40:40.79	Karen Hollweg	All right.
02:40:43.60	Karen Hollweg	We're going to resume the meeting. If you want to chat with one another, please step outside. I'm going to bring it up here for any further questions of staff.
02:40:52.18	Karen Hollweg	If no questions, I'm going to invite comment.
02:40:58.10	Karen Hollweg	All right. Who would like to lead off?
02:41:04.07	Unknown	Vice Mayor.
02:41:04.60	Woodside	Thank you.
02:41:06.96	Woodside	I've only been here.
02:41:07.77	Karen Hollweg	The newest member of our team.
02:41:10.32	Woodside	It's not because I have a clear path to get through all this in my own mind, and I'm sure you and the audience feel the same way. It's a very tough problem for everybody. And I just want to make a couple overarching comments first, then I'm going to go to the bottom line of what I recommend we do about some of these things now. And then, if necessary, explain a little more detail but I'd rather get to the chase quicker than not.
02:41:41.15	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to stop you, I apologize. Certain of us have to recuse ourselves regarding certain decisions.
02:41:47.88	Woodside	Before I would speak to each of those, I would give a heads up.
02:41:52.32	Karen Hollweg	Okay, perfect. So you know that it's Altamira for Council Member Sobieski, and it is MLK for me.
02:41:59.31	John Story	Yes.
02:41:59.58	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:41:59.88	Karen Hollweg	And is anyone else aware of any conflict regarding any of the sites we just saw? She's a renter.
02:42:05.21	John Story	the-
02:42:05.75	Karen Hollweg	So are you aware of any conflicts in terms of your ability to debate the inclusion or exclusion of any of the sites we've discussed this evening?
02:42:14.80	Karen Hollweg	because
02:42:15.61	Helen Sobieski	I'm adding the site near me that's being proposed by Ms. Fodch.
02:42:20.87	Karen Hollweg	OK, so he's 605 Bridgeway and Altamira.
02:42:26.47	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
02:42:27.13	Karen Hollweg	Okay, thank you. Thank you for indulging me.
02:42:29.76	Woodside	Okay, no, it's very important that we do this up and up. We are deliberating. We haven't conferred among ourselves on the merits. We've listened to staff's report, et cetera. We're gonna do our best to give direction. And it's very challenging and overarching things, a couple of preliminary things.
02:42:49.12	Karen Hollweg	And we're not making a decision tonight.
02:42:50.72	Woodside	Correct. We're giving... This is a study session. Study session. We're going to suggest certain things and see how it plays out, and we have to come back in the end of this month and adopt something. So having said all that, quickly, the state housing laws have evolved over the years. There's for a long time been a requirement to have a, quote, RENA number, a target. That number in Sausalito hovered in the 70s for decades. And I think there was even one cycle where we were totally out of compliance. City was totally out of compliance.
02:42:51.68	Karen Hollweg	is
02:43:26.92	Woodside	Didn't even produce one.
02:43:28.91	Woodside	So I think we're a target.
02:43:30.85	Woodside	Having said that, I think there is a authentic need for housing. I would suggest that it be focused on truly affordable housing, workforce housing, senior housing. I think those are the highest priorities, as I see it, need in our own community.
02:43:49.99	Woodside	So I think while I am very concerned about the high number thrown at this small community to try to deal with in short order, is overwhelming. It's overwhelming staff. It's overwhelming us. It's dividing the community.
02:43:54.31	Unknown	the,
02:44:07.18	Woodside	And it is not the way to actually achieve housing, in my humble opinion. But I'm not in the legislature. I don't have a vote there.
02:44:15.25	Woodside	the city filed a very competently written appeal
02:44:20.09	Woodside	And the city lost.
02:44:23.08	Woodside	And that's the end of that.
02:44:25.92	Woodside	So to suggest that we keep appealing, there's no more appeal. It's like it's been to the Supreme Court and we're done. It wasn't the Supreme Court, by the way. But I want to make those points clear, because it's not for lack of effort on the part of my colleagues here who approved
02:44:41.68	Woodside	the housing element in 2023 that had a
02:44:47.78	Woodside	what do you call it, a surplus, an excess, a buffer, whatever the word is,
02:44:53.91	Woodside	Right, of something under 200. When the target was 724, they added a buffer. Thank God you did what you did.
02:45:03.17	Woodside	Oh, we're going three minutes.
02:45:04.90	Unknown	Mayor, I would like to suspend the three minute. This is a study session, and I would like to have a free flowing conversation.
02:45:11.11	Karen Hollweg	conversation.
02:45:12.34	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:45:12.39	Unknown	Thank you for that feedback.
02:45:13.86	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:45:14.08	Unknown	We're going to do three minutes and then we'll go back around so that people can continue. I would like to make a motion that we suspend the three minutes. This is a study session and I'd like to reach some kind of consensus. I think we need to have more than just three minutes, I think, because I'd like to listen to what
02:45:28.56	Unknown	We all have to say on this, we've just had three and a half hours or four hours.
02:45:34.31	Unknown	No.
02:45:34.73	Unknown	Three hours of this? I don't think three minutes is enough for all of us to, I mean, I think we need leeway tonight, and I don't think I'm going to make a motion that we suspended three minutes.
02:45:43.90	Karen Hollweg	Thank you for your feedback. We have adopted protocols limiting our comment to three minutes. I, but it has a process for rotating. So we're going to hear three minutes from each, and then we can each comment again.
02:45:57.31	Unknown	Thank you.
02:45:57.36	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:45:57.40	Unknown	Well, Ashley,
02:45:57.80	Karen Hollweg	IT'S TOO.
02:45:57.97	Unknown	not it's not my feedback there's a motion on the floor if nobody wants to second it that's fine but there's a motion on the floor and then I'd like to suspend a three-minute protocol for this evening for this study session we have or this portion of our study
02:46:11.87	Karen Hollweg	We have.
02:46:12.13	Karen Hollweg	two other items to consider this evening.
02:46:14.47	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:46:14.51	Unknown	Right and I'd like to there's a motion on the floor if somebody wants a second that's fine. Anybody want to second it?
02:46:20.63	Unknown	Okay.
02:46:22.03	Karen Hollweg	All right. Who would like to speak next? Thank you.
02:46:31.06	Karen Hollweg	I'm happy to give some preliminary comments if other people are not ready. Okay. All right. I want to take a few minutes to address some of the comments from the public. So I'm going to countermand what you just said about all hope is lost, because I have reached out to Senator McGuire to protest our RHNA numbers, and I am setting up a meeting with him and HCD to point out that we should not have included in our area of potential housing the Golden Gate National Recreation Area and the Richardson's Bay.
02:47:01.70	Karen Hollweg	So.
02:47:02.60	Karen Hollweg	I've not given up all hope yet, but.
02:47:05.59	Woodside	I should modify it in light of what you've said, and I don't want to take from your time. But I do think, yes, the legislature can change the law, and they should, but that'll take a little time.
02:47:08.29	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
02:47:14.34	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
02:47:15.27	Karen Hollweg	Um,
02:47:16.93	Karen Hollweg	I dispute the comment that owners were not contacted. So I personally worked on a group called Sensible Housing Sausalito, where we reached out to nearly every property owner in Sausalito, separate from the work our consultant was doing. So we have contacted owners. We are not listing on our housing element sites that owners have not indicated an interest in developing. Okay.
02:47:40.40	Karen Hollweg	Um,
02:47:43.17	Karen Hollweg	Who decides the density per acre? We do. So the standard density in Sausalito is 30 units per acre.
02:47:50.95	Karen Hollweg	We did not initially in our housing element have a 29 units per acre. We have now added that as a category of housing. We also have 49 units per acre and we have 70 units per acre. Typically, we have confined the 70 units per acre to those areas of Sausalito that are less densely developed. And the 29 units per acre are applied to the areas that are historic or more densely developed already.
02:48:21.47	Karen Hollweg	The density bonus is not contestable. That is California law. And so that has been one of the most challenging aspects of planning for development throughout Sausalito.
02:48:32.92	Karen Hollweg	how to remove a site or add a site, write to the community development director, write to us. You heard me raise two sites tonight. And...
02:48:46.04	Karen Hollweg	and also propose removal of a site. And so that's the purpose of this study session. So reach out to us. Let us know your thoughts. Let us know your concerns.
02:48:57.05	Karen Hollweg	Regarding the merits, I would like to see us reduce the density at the Altamira site. We have 39 very low and 18 low. I'd like to hear from the consultant, not necessarily tonight, but at our next meeting, how we could accommodate those units. I also would like to see us reduce the buffer.
02:49:19.30	Karen Hollweg	the least
02:49:20.86	Karen Hollweg	The category in which we need the least amount of housing in Sausalito is moderate and above moderate. And so to have a 50-unit buffer in moderate and above moderate when our goal is to house those in need is ridiculous in my mind. So I'd like to understand from staff the impact of reducing our buffer for moderate and above moderate units.
02:49:44.33	Karen Hollweg	Okay, who's next?
02:49:47.35	Helen Sobieski	I guess I can go.
02:49:47.91	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:49:47.92	Helen Sobieski	Thank you.
02:49:48.36	Karen Hollweg	Okay, thank you.
02:49:49.65	Helen Sobieski	Just my first three minutes, you know, I'm no housing expert or urban planner. I'm just a person that lives here and has been spending four years trying to figure out this process. And it just never made sense to me. I voted against the housing consultant in one of my first votes because it seemed like
02:50:07.97	Helen Sobieski	we should be able to come up with a plan where things all work, where housing is embraced. This is just a map of Sausalito, right? I, you know, we all recognize where we're at. This is right across from Rinship Park. This is where our homeless encampment was back in the day. But I can't help but just look at this empty field here, right? And the objection of my friends who, who like me want to preserve a vibrant working waterfront is that on the other side of these buildings over there,
02:50:43.09	Helen Sobieski	there's mark welding going on.
02:50:44.62	Helen Sobieski	Well, I only have three minutes, and if the discussion goes on, I'll show you, but I
02:50:48.15	Helen Sobieski	decibel meter here.
02:50:50.68	Helen Sobieski	while Parker dive boat was being arc welded. And it was quieter standing here than it is standing at Equator Coffee.
02:50:59.41	Helen Sobieski	uh,
02:51:00.18	Helen Sobieski	This is an empty field with a property owner that wants to develop it. Now,
02:51:04.60	Helen Sobieski	I have real trepidation about putting this site on housing element, even if we could, because if you do that, we lose all local control over what's built there.
02:51:12.06	Helen Sobieski	But if we had engaged in a rational process that just seems common sense, which is you go to property owners that want to build something and you enter into a negotiation
02:51:20.74	Helen Sobieski	and constrain what they can build,
02:51:22.75	Helen Sobieski	so that it fits in with our other design criteria.
02:51:26.36	Helen Sobieski	then it seems like we could have ended up with units here that would serve the needs of our workers in the maritime industry or artists, maybe crew on the Matthew Turner. But we haven't engaged in this process. Instead, we spent a million dollars on this process that generates documents hundreds of pages thick.
02:51:48.34	Helen Sobieski	So as I said in a recent email, I'm going to vote the way I have to vote to make sure we stay out of builder's remedy.
02:51:54.84	Helen Sobieski	But I'm showing this not with an agenda. It's really just kind of a call to common sense that I want to try to percolate into the community. Because I think a lot of people that signed the Working Waterfront Coalition
02:52:07.89	Helen Sobieski	petition against housing the marineship didn't know that they're talking about this site right here
02:52:12.98	Helen Sobieski	And the concern is the nose under the camel's tent that destroys the working waterfront. But as has been told here,
02:52:20.41	Helen Sobieski	Working Waterfront can actually be saved by a master plan that would help create quid pro quo arrangements around
02:52:27.26	Helen Sobieski	actually
02:52:28.32	Helen Sobieski	having a thriving working waterfront.
02:52:30.97	Helen Sobieski	So there'll be another go around here for three minutes. And I do want to continue the remarks. But I'm just so I won't be rushed. There'll be another chance to continue this theme. But it is relevant. And I'll continue it later. Thank you, Mayor.
02:52:46.60	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. Who would like to go next?
02:52:48.40	Unknown	Thank you.
02:52:50.26	Unknown	Okay, great.
02:52:51.91	Unknown	So I think from the policy perspective and especially from local elected perspectives, I think we can't do this in a vacuum. And we really have to look at what happened in Southern California and the fires and the number of houses that were destroyed. And part of the problem was the poor planning.
02:53:10.64	Unknown	and the high density housing in vulnerable areas. And no one can deny that there are vulnerable
02:53:17.51	Unknown	vulnerability issues in Sausalito and we all know what they are and they were frankly put in our
02:53:23.08	Unknown	in the appeal that we drafted that was presented to a bag so a bag is the authority that manages the housing in the in the allocation arena numbers for this area and it was a we wrote a very good appeal it was probably the best appeal that was written but all of the appeals were summarily and without much review uh denied there was a big
02:53:44.98	Unknown	Frankly, not much of not much review. They were all all of the appeals were just denied So there wasn't you know, there was really no review at all. It was just denied. So I have no problem I would have gone further
02:53:58.23	Unknown	as a council member at the time in in fighting those numbers because they were wildly out of wildly out of range for Sausalito.
02:54:07.55	Unknown	and to to further mr draubness who rattled off some numbers
02:54:11.53	Unknown	you know
02:54:13.30	Unknown	of similar land mass just to throw out a couple more numbers Belvedere's number also like 1.5 miles was 160 Ross's number was 111 and our number 724 so
02:54:26.18	Unknown	I don't know how anybody could look at those numbers at the state level.
02:54:31.68	Unknown	at the state legislator level, and I'm glad the mayor's reaching out to our state legislator, Mike McGuire, because I don't know how anybody could defend and say 724 is a good number for Sausalito. All the assumptions have changed. All the numbers have changed since that number was given to us back four years ago. So I think we're working really hard. What I would give as direction right now, I would take Spencer Firehouse and City Hall off. We looked at that number, we received substantial opposition to that. I think it's a breach of faith, frankly, with the community when
02:55:07.35	Unknown	You know, people came, they showed up and we said, great, you know, we don't need those sites. We're going to pivot and look at other sites. I mean, now all of a sudden they're back in. You know, three years later at, you know, late in the evening, late in the day, all of a sudden they pop back in and people have to re, you know, come back to the city hall and talk to us again.
02:55:26.99	Unknown	I just don't think that's defensible from a city
02:55:29.86	Unknown	from an integrity standpoint, and I think we should remove them. I don't think a 24% buffer of 234 on top of a 724, we will pay the price later with a higher number.
02:55:43.23	Unknown	The number never decreases, FYI, from the state. They are greedy. And if we give them a 720, if we give them a 900 number now, they're going to come back later for more. So I have more comments. And the next time I come around, I will figure out a way to get them in. Thank you.
02:56:02.28	Unknown	Great. Yes. Thank you.
02:56:02.51	Unknown	Yes.
02:56:02.80	Unknown	Thank you.
02:56:03.04	Unknown	you.
02:56:03.34	Unknown	you
02:56:03.58	Unknown	Thank you.
02:56:03.61	Unknown	Thank you.
02:56:03.71	Unknown	Thank you. So I want to start by just saying I really express a lot of empathy for the frustration of the community. I know this is a really difficult, complex process, and I regret to say that I don't think that everyone will be 100% satisfied or happy with the outcome. Everyone in this process will see changes in what our housing landscape looks like.
02:56:24.74	Unknown	Our staff has done an outstanding job of working to comply with state mandates that we
02:56:30.82	Unknown	really have no choice but to comply with. So either we can take the steps here to move forward in a way that is responsible and makes sense for our community the best of our ability, or we can miss out on a deadline and be subject to even more potential for things like builder's remedy. But I just want to take a step back because in looking at the census data that was part of our packet that showed sort of how we got to where we are for Sausalito and what some of these goals for RENA really consider, you know, 60 to 80% of the renters in Sausalito are burdened. They're spending more than 30% of their income.
02:57:03.59	Unknown	on on rentals 40 to 60% of homeowners are burdened spending more than 30% of their income on rentals and more than 30% of our community are seniors. So the reason that we're in the place that we're at is because the cost of living right now is not tenable and that's for current residents so imagine.
02:57:21.64	Unknown	the issues that our teachers are facing, that our service workers are facing, that our firefighters are facing, of course, in the in the space of what we saw in Southern California more than ever.
02:57:33.07	Unknown	We need to be reporting and respecting our first responders. So I think when we consider the context of why we're doing what we're doing, we can take a step back and think about how do we all come to the table in a way to spread the housing throughout the community? Because there's going to have to be, and there should be, a little bit of housing everywhere. And if everyone is happy or if one group is entirely happy and the other group is entirely upset, we probably didn't do a very good job. And so I think all of the different voices here should be considered while we look at the next steps. I know I have limited time to give some direction here. I mean, I'm open to including more ADUs, but I want to be realistic about what ADUs will actually be built.
02:58:13.23	Unknown	I think what we're looking at is that we need a real consideration of all of the sites. It's not one or the other. It's a both and conversation.
02:58:21.43	Unknown	decreased density in some places to make it a more level playing field.
02:58:25.89	Unknown	and increase in others. And I look forward to a discussion with others from the dais about how exactly we do that.
02:58:32.23	Unknown	Um,
02:58:33.41	Unknown	But I think what's important to remember as well is with sites like the MLK site, as well as the sites in the Marin ship, there will be a voter approval. So whatever we decide from the dais, you will all still have an opportunity to come forward and make your voice heard
02:58:47.42	Unknown	and determine the outcome, which is why we have things like a buffer or further consideration of sites. But removing sites right now, rather than having a both and conversation with this timeline that's at stake, to me doesn't make sense. We just need to really work together to figure out the best picture. And I look forward to hearing from all of you further as we continue that process.
02:59:06.23	Unknown	Thank you.
02:59:06.25	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:59:07.23	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to go back to the vice mayor.
02:59:09.68	Woodside	Sure.
02:59:09.74	Karen Hollweg	No, but it's...
02:59:09.78	Woodside	Nice.
02:59:10.03	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
02:59:10.08	Woodside	Thank you.
02:59:10.13	Unknown	Thank you.
02:59:10.47	Karen Hollweg	I was loving what you were saying. I hated to cut you off.
02:59:13.57	Woodside	Oh, that's okay.
02:59:16.14	Woodside	Won't be the last time you'll have to do that. But let me go to the heart of what I think we have the ability to do in terms of direction, ultimately, when we vote at the end of this month.
02:59:31.14	Woodside	I think.
02:59:32.22	Woodside	we could and I would prefer to remove the MLK site in its entirety.
02:59:39.70	Woodside	I am also open to the notion of reducing the density there to 29, which would mean the number is about 50 or less. What I fear will happen is for good reason. I used to live on that side of town, walk my dog there, played there, loved the space. It's our largest community park.
03:00:03.02	Woodside	To see anything other than park related or education related activities there doesn't work from my perspective. Perhaps the community would be open to a very scaled senior housing project and you could at that site provide a senior overlay that protects and puts a guardrail on what could be built there.
03:00:26.37	Woodside	and it is city property so it's not subject to some other builder however hcd
03:00:33.41	Woodside	As the former mayor pointed out, Member Sobieski, we could be in trouble if we don't follow through on rezoning properties that we include. So I think we better be mindful of that. Secondly, I would reduce the density, as been suggested by others, and I think this format works for me because I get to hear a little bit of other ideas about it.
03:00:55.63	Woodside	I would reduce the density at Altamere.
03:00:59.78	Woodside	I would prefer to remove the site on Bridgeway. What's the number? It's the proposed development. 6-0-5. 6-6, right, the address is 6-0-5.
03:01:12.88	Karen Hollweg	6.05.
03:01:17.27	Karen Hollweg	as an opportunity to own them.
03:01:20.80	Woodside	Opportunity site 201, address is 605 Bridgeway. I felt at the time I learned that it had been included in January of 2023. I felt then and still feel now it was a mistake to put an opportunity site in our only place.
03:01:41.84	Woodside	historic district.
03:01:42.97	Woodside	So I don't have to say more about that. However, I am open to the recommendation of the staff to have a density of 29. I'm open to that.
03:01:54.70	Woodside	Finally, I would have not removed had I been here.
03:01:58.54	Woodside	site 67.
03:02:01.18	Woodside	And I know there's strong feelings about somehow that site will ruin.
03:02:05.56	Woodside	the working waterfront.
03:02:07.34	Woodside	I worked in the Working Rotter Front. I've been there for many years, helped build the Matthew Turner on that site.
03:02:15.32	Woodside	It is on rock.
03:02:19.60	Woodside	And I've got a really important point to make when it comes back to me. Thank you. About that side.
03:02:27.81	Helen Sobieski	Yes. Can I take another step? Yes. So, yeah, just proceeding with my...
03:02:32.43	Helen Sobieski	little show and tell this is this town of Port Townsend, which we all
03:02:36.46	Helen Sobieski	Love as a Model, there's a working
03:02:38.79	Helen Sobieski	Waterfront right there, there's a hotel.
03:02:41.44	Helen Sobieski	uh
03:02:42.47	Helen Sobieski	There's a cafe.
03:02:45.86	Helen Sobieski	another cafe, a brew pub, a poor house. So an integrated mixed-use region can actually be thriving for people.
03:02:57.44	Helen Sobieski	for Townsend, it can be thriving for us. It could also, let me acknowledge,
03:03:02.15	Helen Sobieski	devastate the working waterfront if it's not done right.
03:03:05.49	Helen Sobieski	But rather than engage,
03:03:07.44	Helen Sobieski	It's been a zero sum fight for a long time around the Marin ship. And we see the consequence of it when Ian moved, he passed away. No one took over his business.
03:03:15.61	Helen Sobieski	The houseboats don't have anywhere...
03:03:17.98	Helen Sobieski	to be fixed because we haven't created a soil rich enough for other businesses to engage in. The property owners and the community in that area long ago seem to have stopped talking to each other. So there are sites, if you just
03:03:35.96	Helen Sobieski	look at it. I mean, if you go over here, right?
03:03:41.84	Helen Sobieski	I mean, this is not a housing site either.
03:03:44.87	Helen Sobieski	for some reason.
03:03:46.63	Helen Sobieski	this storage area.
03:03:48.87	Helen Sobieski	How is this the working waterfront right here?
03:03:51.79	Helen Sobieski	How does this help Maritime?
03:03:54.09	Helen Sobieski	We have a two-lane, actually four-lane, two in each direction roadway right here.
03:03:59.15	Helen Sobieski	And you have a storage of RVs for people mostly who don't even live here.
03:04:06.83	Helen Sobieski	The reason that this is relevant is that we could
03:04:09.88	Helen Sobieski	We've been fighting housing.
03:04:11.84	Helen Sobieski	And the reason we're fighting housing is because so many
03:04:15.89	Helen Sobieski	This process allows things to pop up that look like columns horrible columns And they're dropped right into our neighborhoods. They're ugly. They don't fit in and
03:04:28.41	Helen Sobieski	They're disrupted to the community.
03:04:30.10	Helen Sobieski	But it doesn't have to be that way.
03:04:32.82	Helen Sobieski	As the town, we have control over zoning changes and allowance.
03:04:38.72	Helen Sobieski	You know, Ms. Fotch has a controversial project.
03:04:41.37	Helen Sobieski	She proposed a hotel many years ago and was stopped.
03:04:44.44	Helen Sobieski	if the city had embraced her hotel proposal, there wouldn't have been a housing controversy on her site.
03:04:50.50	Helen Sobieski	Similarly, by
03:04:51.83	Helen Sobieski	constantly saying no, we've set ourselves up for the very problem we're suffering from now.
03:04:57.88	Helen Sobieski	uh in May of 2023 I direct the community to just look at the agenda of the City Council on May 2023 we heard a
03:05:08.32	Helen Sobieski	A presentation from Bob Silvestri that Councilmember Hoffman cited a an opponent of senseless housing development.
03:05:17.94	Helen Sobieski	who is going to help us with a marine ship
03:05:21.31	Helen Sobieski	Master plan.
03:05:22.83	Helen Sobieski	That still is a key.
03:05:24.72	Helen Sobieski	TO NOT JUST PROVIDING HOUSING
03:05:26.43	Helen Sobieski	But
03:05:27.39	Helen Sobieski	thriving working waterfront for our future.
03:05:32.94	Unknown	Who would like to go next?
03:05:35.35	Unknown	I can.
03:05:36.42	Unknown	to follow along.
03:05:36.87	Unknown	I went last last time, so.
03:05:38.76	Unknown	I appreciate the discussion of my colleagues and all the time and thought that's being put into this. I have to say I am very much in line with Vice Mayor Woodside's recommendations for a number of the sites. I would like to see potential to at least reduce the density at MLK to 29 if there's political will. Again, I just think it's important to spread housing out as much as possible across the community so that there is a fair disbursement of housing. With that in mind, again, I don't want to necessarily fully remove any sites, and I wanted to hearken back to
03:06:16.76	Unknown	I had been in favor of Site 67 being
03:06:20.60	Unknown	um considered in the housing element from from the beginning i've been uh in favor of those conversations
03:06:26.47	Unknown	Given our timeline, I'm concerned about whether or not it's possible at this phase, but I do think we need to have a conversation about a development agreement
03:06:34.91	Unknown	and what it would look like for that property that would allow for
03:06:37.64	Unknown	the preservation of the working waterfront and allow for some form of housing in that area. So I think that there is an opportunity
03:06:44.96	Unknown	that we haven't yet had to present that and to have that conversation and to see what it would look like separate from
03:06:51.34	Unknown	the certification of this housing element so that we can finish in a timely manner.
03:06:55.63	Unknown	And I just want to reiterate support for the vice mayor's
03:06:59.85	Unknown	comments i don't know that i need to continue for three minutes in the interest of time so
03:07:04.91	Unknown	Thank you, Councilmember Black.
03:07:06.21	Karen Hollweg	.
03:07:06.24	Unknown	Alstein.
03:07:07.04	Karen Hollweg	be brief.
03:07:11.51	Karen Hollweg	Three.
03:07:11.88	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	Thank you.
03:07:12.92	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	Thank you.
03:07:14.87	Karen Hollweg	If we can wrap up this round, if possible, that would be great.
03:07:18.71	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
03:07:28.15	Unknown	Thank you.
03:07:30.56	Unknown	Thank you.
03:08:05.39	Brandon Phipps	Very sorry to interrupt, Councilmember. I'm hearing from our Marin TV colleague. Yeah, thank you.
03:08:10.30	Unknown	Sorry, I didn't have my, someone liked me, I didn't have my microphone on.
03:08:13.02	Unknown	I would plus up the ADUs and the by right ADU numbers and the SB
03:08:21.10	Unknown	SB9 numbers. I think 116 is way too low and that will give us some flex with our overall numbers, especially on the low ends, which is what the pressure on at least looks like the MLK site is. And that will give us some flexibility and ability to lower the numbers on that site, if not remove that site altogether. I agree that we, I support lowering the number on the Altamira site as well and the site 201. And using those by right, you know, legal by legislative act numbers will help us do that as well. And I say, you know, if the legislature wants to make these changes, then I think we need to take advantage of them because of the high number that we've been assigned and, you know, if and address it with HCD as we need to, given our the record that we already made with our appeal and address it, you know, as we move forward in this process. I have no problem with that strategy at all. With regard to the Berg property, which is, I guess it's site 67, we've talked about that a lot, and we had a lot of opposition to that. And that site is problematic because it's so close to housing to industrial areas and toxicity levels and generational industrial areas for many many many years like decades of industrial uses there's a lot of problems with putting housing next to generational industrial areas and increased levels of epidemiological increased risk of cancers and increased risk of developing different types of diseases when you live in those areas opposed to when you work in those areas. So those are my concerns as a city of rezoning and allowing housing in those areas. And I talked about that a lot when we talked about that site and that's the difference and that's why I don't support housing in those areas. Thank you.
03:10:41.62	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I think it's my turn.
03:10:43.52	Karen Hollweg	So I'm going to echo the comments of my fellow council members. I cannot
03:10:49.47	Karen Hollweg	weigh in on the mlk site because i live right above it i could get up here and testify my personal views but i'm not going to do that it sounds as though my council members my fellow council members have this issue well in hand i endorse what council member hoffman said about including an incentive program for adus and sb9 units and
03:11:10.86	Karen Hollweg	increasing those numbers in a moderate manner.
03:11:14.76	Karen Hollweg	I endorse what I said earlier and she said, including numbers for enhanced residential over commercial pursuant to AB 2011 and SB 6 to the extent we can. I want to make it clear that there's a limit to what we can do tonight and when we next meet because we've already had an EIR and we've already enunciated various alternative programs.
03:11:40.41	Karen Hollweg	of housing within that EIR.
03:11:42.37	Karen Hollweg	Although Site 67 in the Marin ship was in the EIR,
03:11:47.18	Karen Hollweg	the inclusion of that site in any of our programs of housing is not what's before us. And so it's not feasible if we keep our timeline to add that site.
03:11:58.08	Karen Hollweg	Now, however, I do endorse
03:12:01.08	Karen Hollweg	Councilmember Blaustein, and I saw a nod from Councilmember Sobieski about exploring a potential development agreement. I would like to see us explore potential development agreements with all of the major marineship property owners, because I don't believe one size fits all for any of those properties. And so I would like to see us utilize that mechanism that this council adopted in early 2021 and see what we can do this year. And then if that's not successful, we can look at, you know, further revisions next year. I endorse reducing the density at Altamira. I believe the
03:12:44.08	Karen Hollweg	I would like to ensure that staff redlines deletions as well as additions in the housing element. I was very concerned by Sybil Boutelier's comments. I respect her highly, and it concerns me that she saw deletions that were not redlined as deletions and saw programs removed with no notification to us. And so none of us really can sit here and read a 1,000-page document wholesale. We really rely on the red lines.
03:13:15.69	Karen Hollweg	And I believe the 234 buffer is too high. And so I'd like to see, I'd like to understand from staff and the city attorney whether and how much we can reduce that buffer. If we remove any sites
03:13:34.47	Karen Hollweg	we've already heard about low income and very low income
03:13:39.18	Karen Hollweg	numbers for the Altamira and for other sites. If we remove any sites, I request staff advise us of where we will replace the very low and low income units allocated for those sites.
03:13:53.12	Woodside	Following your... Mr. Vice Mayor. Yes, thank you. I wholeheartedly agree on...
03:13:53.84	Karen Hollweg	Mr. Vice Mayor.
03:13:58.09	Woodside	an approach that deals with community development agreements with property owners as a means of putting guardrails on any type of development.
03:14:08.62	Woodside	And.
03:14:09.43	Woodside	also encouraging development and reaching agreements that then the landowner, the property owner can rely on. Yes, I can build this.
03:14:17.33	Woodside	It's by agreement that's enforceable, and it comes to the public. So we all have a chance to review it before it's basically signed on to. As to what I would have preferred, not removing Site 67, the mayor is correct. It has not been analyzed environmentally to the degree that we could put it back.
03:14:41.34	Woodside	The track I would like to see this round. I would like to see us taking, Member Sobieski's suggestion, to really look at a plan and see what can be done. Obviously,
03:14:53.85	Woodside	There are portions of the Marin ship in the plan now.
03:14:58.07	Woodside	There are many buildings in the Marin ship.
03:15:01.49	Woodside	that have been built that are not interfering with the actual working waterfront. Now, as to the Site 67,
03:15:10.24	Woodside	It's not a dirty site. It's not full of toxins. We had to clean it up after Matthew Turner.
03:15:17.00	Woodside	was built.
03:15:18.00	Woodside	It's clean.
03:15:20.17	Woodside	It's bedrock.
03:15:21.51	Woodside	It was Pine Point.
03:15:23.41	Woodside	And there's an article in September, or excuse me, the spring 2011, The Lost Community of Pine Point. I encourage you all to take a look for it. It's readily available from the Historic Society Archives.
03:15:37.08	Woodside	80 to 100.
03:15:39.09	Woodside	residents were removed.
03:15:42.06	Woodside	from what became the shipyard.
03:15:44.90	Woodside	So some people's sense of history goes back to World War II. Some people will look beyond that and further into our history of housing in what's now.
03:15:50.63	Unknown	Thank you.
03:15:50.65	Unknown	Amen.
03:15:50.72	Unknown	Amen.
03:15:55.93	Woodside	the marineship. So I think we need a planning process that is open to looking at marineship. We've heard many people saying, why have you ignored
03:16:07.24	Woodside	All this land in the marineship. Well, I want a thriving working waterfront. Every much is...
03:16:13.58	Woodside	member Sobieski and I think members of the community want.
03:16:16.96	Woodside	It's not going to be easy to sustain a working waterfront without
03:16:21.33	Woodside	making some infrastructure improvements there.
03:16:23.96	Woodside	adapting to sea level rise, and doing many other things that are going to require careful planning and funding.
03:16:32.26	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
03:16:32.28	Unknown	So can I respond to that?
03:16:33.48	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
03:16:34.15	Karen Hollweg	Um, yeah, so he's next and then I'll take you.
03:16:40.06	Helen Sobieski	Thank you, Mary. So just to do a broader wrap-up, I... And this is the wrap-up. Fair enough.
03:16:44.92	Helen Sobieski	I also would be inclined to take MLK altogether off.
03:16:49.12	Helen Sobieski	I, if my arm were twisted, maybe a very low number there, but I think it's city on property. And we shouldn't be, if we can preserve city on property for all city use, that would be ideal, especially when there's so much property available
03:17:04.12	Helen Sobieski	to meet our housing
03:17:05.69	Helen Sobieski	desires elsewhere if we do it right for this element as councilman rostein said our hands are somewhat tied but i wouldn't be serious about actually moving forward
03:17:14.47	Helen Sobieski	in
03:17:15.46	Helen Sobieski	helping have ourselves lead a renaissance. I want us to be a Port Townsend like place. And it's not by just saying no. Here's the interesting graph that came from public data. This is the tax. These are not buildings. This is the property tax per square foot of various lots. The higher the column, the more the tax. You can see,
03:17:35.14	Helen Sobieski	The the residential taxes of houses across the board are astronomical per square foot and compare that to the industrial areas where we
03:17:46.01	Helen Sobieski	don't get as much property tax. This is just an example of if we want to fix how it's all integrated. If we want to fix our
03:17:53.23	Helen Sobieski	various infrastructure problems, then we need to think about it in an integrated way. A lot of these properties, like the empty lot, Site 67, don't generate any business license tax.
03:18:04.39	Helen Sobieski	They don't generate any sales tax. They're an empty lot. They generate a miniscule amount of property tax.
03:18:10.00	Helen Sobieski	we should set our sights on actually having a thriving working waterfront. And that means
03:18:16.00	Helen Sobieski	figure out a way.
03:18:17.38	Helen Sobieski	to actually come to yes about accomplishing the goals we want. We want a place for workers to live. We want a place for people like the crew with a Matthew Turner to live. That's a dormitory-style housing.
03:18:29.16	Helen Sobieski	You know, if site 67 were able to be put on, that's the empty lot, I'm not sure I would vote for it now. I'd have to have my arm twisted. And the reason is because if we put it on the housing element site, the owner would get by right development rights. And laws of economics that I know very well,
03:18:46.00	Helen Sobieski	as a capitalist, would drive him to make the cheapest possible building as big as it could be.
03:18:50.56	Helen Sobieski	That's why we oppose this whole process, because the buildings that end up out of it are awful, and they clash with our sense of what the town could and should be.
03:18:58.64	Helen Sobieski	But,
03:18:59.72	Helen Sobieski	that property owner could still make money if we constrained him to build something that actually met our social desires, to have a thriving working waterfront and have people and places to live.
03:19:10.96	Helen Sobieski	I've tipped my hand about what I'd like to do at MLK.
03:19:13.81	Helen Sobieski	I also, and it's part of a major priority for the year that wasn't in our summary on a consent agenda, and that is to,
03:19:20.42	Helen Sobieski	I would bring Bob Silvestri back and hear that very same RFI again, and I would have another parallel process to fill that out. I mean, we should hear that matter and we should amend it. And so on future agenda items, I'm going to say that that's what we should do. Thank you.
03:19:38.50	Unknown	So here's the problem with Site 67, is that it's right next to the debris yard at the Corps of Engineers that we don't really manage. That's the Corps of Engineers, that's a federal site. So when you talk about housing right next to a debris yard where they're crushing boats and crushing
03:19:57.67	Unknown	you know, stuff that they pick up all over the bay, that's a problem with toxicity levels. When you say you're going to have people living right next to a debris yard where they're crushing toxic boats from, or toxic boats or toxic things that they're crushing right next to a debris.
03:20:15.96	Unknown	yard and then on the other side they have outside the fence line they have another working boat yard it's a working boat yard where they're sanding boats where they're finishing boats the bottoms of boats they're scraping the bottoms of boats so there are toxic uh you know things in the air right next to where you want to put housing so it may be a nice grassy area that you're looking at that where they built the Matthew Turner. Yes, you can have people working in a tent for hours during the day, but when you're talking about living 24 hours a day, that's a different type of analysis about whether or not it's a good place or a safe place for people to live and whether we as a town should be zoning that for living and 24-hour living and whether or not we as a town are exposing people to increased risk. So that's the analysis and why I don't think that's a very good risk. And we talked about all of that ad nauseum when we talked about this site in the past. So that's site 67. And I'm sure we're going to talk about that more. So with regard to tax and revenue, so working waterfront and why working waterfront is good. So when you talk about property taxes, we only get 10 cents on the dollar from every dollar of property tax that we have. So the economic engine that is our working waterfront, the economics come from sales tax and they come from manufacturing.
03:21:49.11	Unknown	You want people to be building things. You want people to be selling things.
03:21:52.89	Unknown	you want high dollar goods manufactured in the Marin ship, which is
03:21:58.32	Unknown	I'm not sure.
03:21:58.61	Unknown	sustained us during the pandemic and is a good economic
03:22:04.50	Unknown	part of our revenue in Sausalito. So that is the economic engine. It's not a romantic...
03:22:14.08	Unknown	you know, sort of
03:22:15.74	Unknown	idea it is an actual economic engine that sustains Sausalito and that is the working waterfront and that's why we need to sustain it and that's why we need to protect it and that's why we need that area around the working waterfront to as a buffer around housing to protect the people that are living there 24 hours a day from the industrial areas so
03:22:39.87	Unknown	That's my view.
03:22:41.73	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. So I'm going to close this out.
03:22:44.17	Karen Hollweg	Okay. Um,
03:22:46.65	Karen Hollweg	I will say, point of interest, we did have an arena of 372 in 2010.
03:22:53.35	Karen Hollweg	because we failed to adopt a housing element in the prior cycle. And so our number doubled.
03:22:58.90	Karen Hollweg	So.
03:22:59.80	Karen Hollweg	But we managed, I was on the housing element committee at that time and we did manage to meet our quota.
03:23:04.49	Woodside	Thank you.
03:23:04.96	Woodside	We only knew that we failed in one whole cycle to do anything.
03:23:06.77	Karen Hollweg	Right. Yeah.
03:23:09.97	Karen Hollweg	I agree with Councilmember Hoffman about removing the Spencer firehouse and City Hall as potential sites. I am not in favor of those sites. However,
03:23:19.39	Karen Hollweg	The reason we added them back in is that the only way to ensure affordability is to deed restrict.
03:23:26.41	Karen Hollweg	And the only people who can indeed restrict are us on our property. So, you know, there are density bonuses for private developers who agree to put some level of affordability. But the only way to ensure that a property is 100% affordable is for us to manage that. And so we have the corporation yard on our inventory right now. Melissa and I met with a developer. I'm working with Peter Van Meter to try to obtain additional property nearby so that the site is big enough to feasibly develop. And so the same is true of MLK. And I can't vote on MLK. But I will say there are lots of developers who would love to work with the city to build affordable housing on city owned property
03:24:16.24	Karen Hollweg	that we could deed restrict, and one of the few things we can do is restrict things for seniors as well. And so we could deed restrict senior housing. So I just think we need to be keeping that in mind as we consider adding or removing sites, is the ability, we have the tools, I would welcome the task to bring to the council a developer to build at the corporation yard. That is absolutely in my wheelhouse, happy to do it.
03:24:45.72	Karen Hollweg	Um,
03:24:46.79	Karen Hollweg	Interesting what Councilmember Hoffman said about the debris yard. We actually had complaints from the homeless when they were housed at Marinship Park regarding the
03:24:52.74	Unknown	neighborhood.
03:24:57.47	Karen Hollweg	the air quality, et cetera. And council member Hoffman mentioned, we only get 10 cents per dollar on our property tax.
03:25:06.11	Karen Hollweg	40% of our property tax goes to Southern Marin Fire, which is a good investment because we get fire protection and emergency protection, but it is not a huge windfall for us when we build more housing.
03:25:12.44	Unknown	It's just...
03:25:24.57	Karen Hollweg	All right. That's the extent of my comments. Thank you all. This was a great discussion. Staff, do you have what you need to inform us as we come to the decision-making process?
03:25:37.26	Brandon Phipps	Absolutely. And I'll just thank council for their feedback this evening. Much appreciated. I've been taking rigorous notes and we will make sure to follow and summarize with staff following this meeting.
03:25:50.54	Unknown	All right.
03:25:50.93	Woodside	Just a quick clarification. Yes. Sorry to do this, but you mentioned the sites.
03:25:52.45	Unknown	Yes.
03:25:56.82	Woodside	the City Hall and Fire Station.
03:25:58.96	Unknown	Thank you.
03:25:58.98	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
03:25:59.28	Woodside	Thank you.
03:25:59.32	Woodside	Thank you.
03:25:59.65	Woodside	They're not in the plan now. They're listed as an alternative fallback.
03:26:03.84	Karen Hollweg	So if a ballot initiative for MLK were to fail, they are listed as an alternative program that would still meet our quota for very low and low income housing.
03:26:16.56	Woodside	So to say we want to remove them, right now they're not in, but they're not totally out.
03:26:22.82	Karen Hollweg	Correct. They're not totally out. But if we decide to remove MLK,
03:26:27.97	Karen Hollweg	or any other site with affordable need. We have to have alternatives. Some of them. And those are alternatives for which the environmental impact has already been studied.
03:26:29.69	Woodside	THE FAMILY.
03:26:29.76	Unknown	Yeah.
03:26:29.84	Woodside	happen.
03:26:29.96	Unknown	Thank you.
03:26:30.03	Woodside	have an alternative.
03:26:30.72	Unknown	WE HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
03:26:30.75	Woodside	Thank you.
03:26:32.29	Woodside	I'm a good one.
03:26:32.36	Unknown	Thank you.
03:26:32.39	Woodside	They are.
03:26:37.57	Woodside	I see.
03:26:38.53	Woodside	I understand. Thank you.
03:26:40.41	Karen Hollweg	Okay, we're going to move on to item 5B, a study session for municipal code amendment, adoption of more comprehensive objective design and development standards and form-based code. So I will remind us, this is not the first time we're hearing this, so I'm going to urge staff to be expedient in their presentation, and I want to commend so many members of staff, our planning commission, Save Our Sausalito, our volunteers for all of the hard work they've invested in this project to get us to where we are.
03:26:50.78	Unknown	based on the
03:27:23.25	Karen Hollweg	I will welcome Neil Toft, principal planner.
03:27:26.47	Brandon Phipps	In to be sensitive. Yeah. And to be sensitive of time here, I'm just going to pass the mic over to Bob Brown. I'll say that the odds represents primarily program 19 and the housing element. And we've worked hard over the past three and a half years to develop a revised program that Bob Brown will present now.
03:27:33.12	Karen Hollweg	I'll say that the odds
03:27:34.17	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
03:27:44.48	Bob Brown	Thank you, Madam Mayor and members of the council. Yeah, given the hour tonight, and this is your seventh study session on this topic, I will abbreviate my presentation. So let's just- We appreciate that. We'll whip through the first several slides. They're really about how we got to this point, which I think you well know. So we'll keep going. Next slide. Next slide. Moving along next.
03:27:54.23	Unknown	I appreciate that.
03:28:07.82	Bob Brown	And next.
03:28:10.23	Bob Brown	And next.
03:28:14.18	Bob Brown	Yeah.
03:28:14.32	Bob Brown	Right.
03:28:14.82	Bob Brown	We're rolling right along. One of our.
03:28:15.83	Karen Hollweg	One of our best so far.
03:28:16.98	Bob Brown	Next slide, please.
03:28:21.39	Bob Brown	Okay, so now what I'd like to focus on is responses to your study session last in October, and then the feedback from the planning commission and the changes that resulted. So back in October, you gave staff five pieces of direction. One was to consider putting back into the odds.
03:28:39.98	Bob Brown	The exemption process for projects that could not achieve their floor area ratio.
03:28:45.72	Bob Brown	because of concerns about state law, which does not allow that to occur.
03:28:49.18	Bob Brown	and so yes those have gone back in it's a two-tier exemption process uh first tier are the simpler things that the city probably would not mind giving as much away uh the second tier are are things that the city would would rather not but if pressed uh would be able to uh exempt to a degree and give some flexibility next slide
03:29:13.46	Bob Brown	The second item was the council director staff to pursue the completion of the view sync view preservation software staff has worked with members of the the peer review group, and they will give you an update in a moment as to the status of that effort.
03:29:32.67	Bob Brown	Next.
03:29:34.76	Bob Brown	Next, direct to staff to pursue an update to your historic building inventory, and they will do that. That's a process. That's money. That's public process. So that will occur after the completion of the housing element and the rezonings. Next.
03:29:50.79	Bob Brown	you directed staff to improve the defining characteristics list. This is a list of the historic features of each of the buildings in the district to make them objective. And we have done that. That's in your packet.
03:30:04.91	Bob Brown	Next.
03:30:07.09	Bob Brown	And probably most importantly, you asked staff to talk to HCD about the view preservation standards and the software, and they did that. Just to summarize, HCD's response was essentially proved to us that this does not reduce development potential. So it's clear that HCD is going to require not only the completion of the software, but a pretty vigorous process.
03:30:29.11	Bob Brown	analysis and testing of that software.
03:30:33.36	Bob Brown	to confirm that it really doesn't impact your total capacity and it doesn't impact the ability to develop your opportunity sites so that work is to come and the next slide please
03:30:46.07	Bob Brown	The Planning Commission held a study session a couple weeks ago, and while you have the specific comments they made in your packet, I think one of the consistent themes from the Planning Commission was about the VIEW preservation software. The Planning Commissioners all agreed it is extremely innovative and could be a very handy planning tool.
03:31:06.42	Bob Brown	They were very concerned, though,
03:31:08.26	Bob Brown	about its ability to be completed
03:31:11.28	Bob Brown	in its development and fully tested by it to the satisfaction of HCD within the timeframe you have to adopt these zoning amendments. That process will take time and will take additional monies as well. The Commission also had a discussion about how the software works and came to the understanding
03:31:29.98	Bob Brown	that the view preservation software is not really trying to replicate views from specific primary windows like your current
03:31:39.18	Bob Brown	discretionary.
03:31:40.41	Bob Brown	view preservation process does.
03:31:42.50	Bob Brown	Instead, it's a more representative
03:31:45.07	Bob Brown	uh, depiction and averaging.
03:31:47.36	Bob Brown	of view preservation vantage points all on building walls where windows might be located so again it's not an accurate description of the existing views from surrounding properties it's more a representative view and then lastly one of the planning commissioners who was a land use attorney questioned whether or not the software and its use by applicants would really constitute an objective standard knowable to an applicant in advance that they were in compliance because if a project did not comply with the software
03:32:23.09	Bob Brown	there would be an iterative process probably involving staff to finally get to a point where it would comply. So that was a concern raised.
03:32:30.36	Bob Brown	Next.
03:32:33.63	Bob Brown	So the changes that have occurred to the ordinance since you last saw it in October were principally in the historic district standards. Many of these were sort of technical. We worked with the city's historic preservation consultant and the peer review group to make some refinements. Probably the biggest change was the Planning Commission chair noted that the Secretary of the Interior guidelines for historic just requires that new construction and historic be differentiated, not appear similar. And so we've added some provisions that would accomplish that. If there's a vertical addition, it would have to be recessed from the existing facade.
03:33:09.71	Bob Brown	And if there's a planar addition,
03:33:12.06	Bob Brown	there would have to be a change in materials or a change in setback etc so you see the difference between old and new so that has been incorporated in the historic regulations next please
03:33:23.58	Bob Brown	And next.
03:33:25.94	Bob Brown	And then the other changes were in the view preservation standards. And the biggest change there, there were several technical changes, but the biggest change is there were originally three categories of protected views. Iconic views, things like the skyline of San Francisco, the bridges, Angel Island. There were water views, self-explanatory. And then there were vista views. These were views of undeveloped areas. And that proved very, very difficult to model. And so that piece has been taken out of the view preservation regulations.
03:33:59.80	Bob Brown	And next.
03:34:02.38	Bob Brown	And that is it. This is your remaining schedule, which I'm sure staff has already gone over with you quite thoroughly. So with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions. And again, there's a presentation on the status of the ViewSync software in a moment.
03:34:15.79	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
03:34:15.83	Bob Brown	THE FAMILY.
03:34:16.03	Karen Hollweg	Councilmember Blaustein.
03:34:16.98	Bob Brown	Thank you.
03:34:17.72	Unknown	Thank you, and thank you for your many months of hard work on the odds as well. Thank you to our volunteer working group. I'm just going to bring up again HCD's questions about Program 19 with regards to lack of odds.
03:34:32.85	Unknown	changes essentially for single family residential housing and just making sure in the context of the study session that we just had with regards to directing
03:34:40.52	Unknown	It seems like consensus in increasing the number of
03:34:43.11	Unknown	ADUs and SB9 sites. Do you think there needs to be any adjustments to the odds so that we can be effective in increasing that or in streamlining development in light of that?
03:34:53.93	Bob Brown	These odds were really specifically developed for multifamily and mixed-use projects. There really is no applicability to single-family homes. There are modules that Opticos, the consultants for the base code, have done for single-family and have done for SB9 projects. So if the city chooses to go in that direction, there are examples that you could utilize for that work.
03:35:19.02	Babette McDougall	Peace.
03:35:19.78	Unknown	you
03:35:20.51	Unknown	Yeah, thank you. I agree. And I want to say thank you to everybody who's worked so hard on the odds, you know, the whole team.
03:35:28.96	Unknown	collectively. But I did see when I was looking through the materials that in the draft odds, and my question to Director Phipps was, you know, we had the Planning Commission working group, I think there was an odds working group, right, that worked for a couple years on the draft odds. They had a toolkit, and then they kind of redid the whole thing. And then it went back to a smaller working group.
03:35:59.24	Unknown	I think we called it whatever it was, the local professional. Peer review group. Yeah, peer review group. Sorry. Sorry. Apologies. I didn't get that right. But the peer review group. But then so we had the.
03:36:02.33	Unknown	peer review group.
03:36:10.17	Unknown	We had the PC working group draft, and then we had the peer read graphic.
03:36:13.43	Unknown	But then,
03:36:14.80	Unknown	But then in the comments,
03:36:16.74	Unknown	from the PC, it was like they were referencing both. And my comment with the director Fitz was OK, where's the
03:36:22.90	Unknown	Where's the PC draft so I can see what the PC was talking about when there. But we didn't get that draft.
03:36:29.48	Unknown	So I couldn't compare, but I was looking through the comments from the PC. So my question to you is, from what I can tell, and I guess if it comes back to what you said,
03:36:43.33	Unknown	Is this, are we asked tonight, I guess here's my question.
03:36:47.23	Unknown	Is this a study group for the odds? Yes. Okay. Okay. So when it comes back to us again, I would ask that the PC, I guess, version also be attached to the staff report. Or not to staff report, but to the agenda, just in case I want to go back and look through it. But so one of the – when I was looking through the comments from the Planning Commission, there were some comments that some of the things were not included and didn't make it in there so considerations of solar pathways and shadows onto adjacent properties and these things were lost in the translation and public viewpoints and parallel option for public views and the shadow ordinance are those somewhere in the draft so those were lost in the translation can they be reinserted somehow or
03:36:48.77	Unknown	We're pretty good.
03:36:48.97	Unknown	The odds? Okay. Okay. So,
03:36:57.35	Unknown	Thank you.
03:36:57.41	Unknown	Sure.
03:37:30.21	Bob Brown	Well, the locations for the public view preservation vantage points,
03:37:34.65	Unknown	Yeah.
03:37:35.71	Unknown	Yeah, we have a lot of those.
03:37:35.95	Bob Brown	We have a lot of those. Those were inadvertently left out. OK. Are they going to be
03:37:38.55	Unknown	Okay, are they going to be inadvertently reinserted? They're back in. Advertently?
03:37:40.25	Bob Brown	reinserted important
03:37:42.75	Unknown	Thank you.
03:37:42.80	Bob Brown	Intentionally.
03:37:42.93	Unknown	intentionally
03:37:43.85	Bob Brown	No, they're back in. Okay. Okay. It was a version control issue. Okay. No, the other issues, the solar access,
03:37:44.69	Unknown	Okay.
03:37:48.03	Unknown	Okay.
03:37:51.49	Bob Brown	And
03:37:52.39	Unknown	Shadow, yeah.
03:37:52.76	Bob Brown	Those were never in the original odds. So that was a mistaken memory about what was in or out. But no, that was never addressed in the original odds.
03:38:02.56	Unknown	Are those things that would be helpful to be in there?
03:38:05.02	Bob Brown	It would take work.
03:38:06.75	Bob Brown	And again, the concern is the more you layer on, you become more restrictive and then
03:38:09.41	Unknown	Yeah.
03:38:11.59	Bob Brown	If solar access eliminates the ability to develop a property, you've got issues with the state.
03:38:16.23	Unknown	Yeah.
03:38:17.61	Unknown	Okay, and solar access means sunlight, right?
03:38:20.41	Bob Brown	Thank you.
03:38:20.47	Unknown	Right.
03:38:20.51	Bob Brown	Right.
03:38:20.60	Unknown	Thank you.
03:38:20.80	Unknown	Okay. Okay. And then shadows are shadows, I guess. They are.
03:38:24.55	Bob Brown	Thank you.
03:38:24.57	Unknown	They are.
03:38:25.04	Unknown	Okay. All right. Well, thanks. Okay. So the, what, okay. So
03:38:30.37	Unknown	What's been – oh, so the public view – Public vantage points are back in. Okay. And then, Brandy, you're going to attach next time. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thanks very much. Okay. That's fine.
03:38:32.83	Bob Brown	Public vantage points are back in.
03:38:42.37	Unknown	Appreciate it.
03:38:44.56	Unknown	Go ahead.
03:38:45.05	Woodside	I have a question. This was all reviewed also by the Planning Commission, the most recent version? Yes. And can, I think we already have a report, but so the audience knows, Planning Commission is in favor of these revisions?
03:39:00.58	Bob Brown	They didn't specifically say so, but they didn't object to anything other than, again, the point where the public view vantage points were left out. So they're back in. That was inadvertent. But, no, they did not suggest any revisions to the version that was in front of them two weeks ago.
03:39:17.82	Woodside	And having served as a member of the peer review group, I do know that these standards are significantly reduced in volume, in a number of words, and the effort was made to take difficult concepts and to make them objective in language.
03:39:39.32	Woodside	One of the members was very good at wordsmithing the document throughout. I'm just going to comment that from my perspective, sitting on the peer review group,
03:39:48.25	Woodside	These are more objective than the earlier versions, not to any fault of people working before, but it just took a lot of effort by a lot of people to hone in on making these more objective.
03:40:01.17	Woodside	That's my comment, premature.
03:40:03.49	Unknown	Thank you.
03:40:03.50	Karen Hollweg	Sure.
03:40:03.67	Unknown	York.
03:40:03.86	Unknown	Thank you.
03:40:03.96	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
03:40:06.49	Karen Hollweg	Um,
03:40:08.75	Karen Hollweg	A couple of questions. We have in our packet at page 861 an October 23, 2024 letter from HDF to...
03:40:20.67	Karen Hollweg	city of Sausalito, you know, criticizing the odds they'll violate housing law. Did we respond to that letter? Because I did not see a response in our packet.
03:40:31.01	Bob Brown	I do not believe, but I'll defer to the director.
03:40:35.01	Brandon Phipps	I know that we spent significant time responding to letters received from HCD. I personally did not engage in a response to that specific letter.
03:40:44.39	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
03:40:45.39	Karen Hollweg	We also have in our packet a case study performed by Barbara Brown and Michael Rex as a real-world test of the draft odds. So did that factor in at all in HCD's review of our draft? Why not?
03:41:02.92	Bob Brown	No, they've not seen it. It was only done a few weeks ago. So that's not been something that has been referred to HCD. Okay. It did result, though, in a few changes to the historic preservation standards.
03:41:09.53	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
03:41:14.19	Karen Hollweg	Okay. And then
03:41:16.61	Karen Hollweg	You know, it was just not clear to me where we stand with ViewSync because we gave direction.
03:41:22.31	Karen Hollweg	in October to absolutely include that as a component of the odds.
03:41:27.56	Bob Brown	It's in there.
03:41:28.22	Karen Hollweg	Okay, so you're not, HCD hasn't fully approved it and we haven't gotten through the
03:41:33.90	Karen Hollweg	the testing process
03:41:35.73	Bob Brown	Thank you.
03:41:35.98	Bob Brown	No, and you'll hear an update on that. The testing has not begun. I don't believe it's ready to begin just yet.
03:41:41.34	Karen Hollweg	But we're going to have it in there.
03:41:41.61	Bob Brown	going to have it in there. It's a process. Yes, the standards are in there.
03:41:43.52	Karen Hollweg	And so they can object and we can respond and
03:41:48.53	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
03:41:48.97	Karen Hollweg	All right, I just wanted to confirm that.
03:41:52.65	Karen Hollweg	Does anybody else have questions?
03:41:55.37	Karen Hollweg	All right, so we're going to hear that presentation, then we'll open it up for public comment. Is that the...
03:42:01.04	Karen Hollweg	the sequence of events
03:42:03.97	Karen Hollweg	And is this going to be brief as well?
03:42:08.55	Sophia	Okay.
03:42:09.32	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
03:42:09.71	Unknown	Thank you.
03:42:09.76	Sophia	Thank you.
03:42:09.86	Unknown	What?
03:42:10.59	Karen Hollweg	All right.
03:42:10.94	Unknown	you
03:42:10.98	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
03:42:15.20	Sophia	If you could make me a host here.
03:42:51.55	Sophia	Okay, so first of all, we're talking about an update. Everybody note remembers the science of views views a view shed is what you see. It says what's visible from a specific location. So just kind of to reorient. We've been talking about a lot of different things just want to reorient that we're talking about views.
03:43:10.21	Sophia	The key detail here is that views have shapes and shapes have sizes. So you can see their location.
03:43:18.55	Sophia	and what can be seen from it and what is not visible.
03:43:23.91	Sophia	So what we do is we use a digital twin of Sausalito, and this is a high resolution surface map
03:43:30.95	Sophia	And we have found with our strategy of attempting to outsource, we found rather than flying drones around Sausalito, we decided to acquire a map from a company called NearMap.
03:43:41.93	Sophia	which actually, due to our proximity to San Francisco, reflies this area
03:43:46.34	Sophia	quite frequently, so be able to maintain a very up-to-date map.
03:43:51.82	Sophia	We have two modes of operation. One is we call ViewSync interactive.
03:43:56.50	Sophia	This is a design tool, and I think it's really going to, a lot of the things we've been talking about tonight are going to be very helped by this in addition to studying the view impacts. This is based on Esri's city engine.
03:44:10.20	Sophia	We were not able to
03:44:11.87	Sophia	get together with Esri on the compliance app
03:44:15.11	Sophia	However, they do have wonderful software
03:44:17.93	Sophia	on the interactive side, and this will be for planning and compliance, and it also will provide the support
03:44:23.99	Sophia	for our HCD.
03:44:26.99	Sophia	on the web app.
03:44:28.36	Sophia	This checks, this is the compliance app. This is a web app.
03:44:32.05	Sophia	It's.
03:44:32.95	Sophia	checks, projects for view compliance. It's an advanced analysis.
03:44:36.74	Sophia	and it supports formal certifications. When I'm speaking of an advanced analysis, this means it's considering multiple viewpoints on the House where the city engine really takes one viewpoint.
03:44:51.59	Sophia	So now we'll go to the demo.
03:44:59.46	Sophia	Okay, so the heart of the system is our, the
03:45:07.61	Sophia	is the View tool. So that's the first thing that
03:45:13.19	Sophia	So you can see what we're looking at here is just some of the sites we've been looking at. We're pulling out a viewshed.
03:45:28.63	Sophia	Now what we're doing is we're looking out the window. So in this particular, this is next to one of the sites and it's looking through, you can see it's looking through those two existing buildings. And in this case, it can't, the site cannot see, the site does not cause a view impairment to that location. But what about some of these? So we're looking at those opportunity sites nearby that you see in yellow. So what about some of the others? So let's just take a look so you can just see what
03:45:57.62	Sophia	what you can see there, like,
03:45:59.45	Sophia	That one has really no impact.
03:46:02.40	Sophia	Now let's go to another one, looking over it.
03:46:05.64	Sophia	Looks okay.
03:46:07.43	Sophia	You can see what the characterization of what the particular view is.
03:46:11.12	Sophia	parts are.
03:46:13.18	Sophia	Okay, now we're seeing in this particular one, we're seeing no real impact there.
03:46:19.97	Sophia	Okay, so let's come over here. Okay, boom, now we're starting to see it. We're seeing about a 2% increase.
03:46:25.50	Sophia	in the view of that particular site.
03:46:29.38	Sophia	Let's check another one. Okay, a little lower in the building, 4.2%.
03:46:34.55	Sophia	Now we're seeing 9.6% in that particular case. So what we're doing with the view sync interactive is we are
03:46:42.53	Sophia	I'm trying to model and find out exactly what kind of impact a particular site has. But where do we get these yellow buildings? You know, where did these yellow buildings come from?
03:46:53.70	Sophia	So what we did was we took all the housing sites, and this is kind of our answer to the HCD. This is, is this gonna cause a big problem for us? Are we gonna be able to do the job or not? So we took, we created this software where we can model each housing site can be modeled
03:47:15.44	Sophia	in various types of scenarios. So this is how it works.
03:47:19.45	Sophia	So we can go and put different parameters. For example, we can...
03:47:25.68	Sophia	separate the building into different elements.
03:47:33.73	Sophia	So this is running here.
03:47:37.95	Sophia	put it into some different forms. Now I know that Michael Rex, I'm sure would be able to create
03:47:43.55	Sophia	much better forms than these modest shapes.
03:47:47.65	Sophia	But for looking at view preservation and also just simply the shape of different properties, this is a good way to do it.
03:48:00.88	Sophia	So we can go through and we can put in different setbacks. We can change the shape in a wide range of manners.
03:48:09.77	Sophia	We can add floors, we can divide it.
03:48:16.81	Sophia	put in different sorts of
03:48:19.95	Sophia	structures.
03:48:25.06	Sophia	Just move it back. A lot of times in view preservation, the key thing is just shaping the building so that it doesn't interfere with other properties. And that's been basically the way Sausalito's been for years. So here's like a waterfall shape.
03:48:42.16	Sophia	could put what kind of like parking on the bottom or residential commercial
03:48:51.13	Sophia	Okay, so we went through every site
03:48:55.44	Sophia	every single site.
03:48:57.73	Sophia	And we found a view
03:49:00.38	Sophia	compliant.
03:49:01.97	Sophia	version of it.
03:49:04.08	Sophia	So we went through every site.
03:49:06.15	Sophia	So this is our dashboard.
03:49:08.35	Sophia	that tells the story. So what we can do is we can pick any site,
03:49:12.55	Sophia	And then it shows on this dashboard exactly what the particulars are, like that has eight units.
03:49:19.08	Sophia	This one's 68 units over at Altamira.
03:49:23.09	Sophia	other properties with other numbers of units,
03:49:26.33	Sophia	And then the other thing, though, that we can add this all up,
03:49:30.28	Sophia	So what is our total?
03:49:32.60	Sophia	So we can see that we found 825
03:49:37.67	Sophia	we found 825 units that were view synced in Sausalito. Now it wasn't exactly the same as in some cases, like we heard,
03:49:47.28	Sophia	The gentleman speaking about ones, twos, threes.
03:49:50.30	Sophia	these four or five small projects. Like a lot of small projects, we were able to say, hey, that project could be a little bit bigger. We could add maybe add a unit there, two units, three units. So we found several, we found a lot of places that we were able to aggregate units. In other cases, we weren't able to
03:50:08.37	Sophia	maybe get the maximum number.
03:50:11.46	Sophia	And it would be irresponsible if we didn't highlight the very worst site that we found.
03:50:20.56	Sophia	Okay, so this is the Altamira site. Like right now, it looks great.
03:50:24.28	Sophia	Like it's nice.
03:50:26.06	Sophia	At 68, it kind of fits in. Not perfectly, but it's not too bad. However,
03:50:36.89	Sophia	if like these, we've met based our housing element on 750 square feet per unit, that's not realistic. It's like, it's gonna be like 1000 1500. And this is what happens.
03:50:49.38	Sophia	Basically, it's going up to nine stories at 1,000 feet, 13 stories at, goes to 13 stories at 1,500 feet.
03:51:00.83	Sophia	So I think that
03:51:03.20	Sophia	However, the thing is that, you know, it's not...
03:51:06.61	Sophia	This is, we don't want that to be the future of Sausalito right there.
03:51:10.96	Sophia	Like that is 153 units.
03:51:15.35	Sophia	at 1000 square feet per unit.
03:51:17.84	Sophia	And that is what that would look like. Every one that has 70
03:51:22.23	Sophia	has a problem because it's 70 times 2.
03:51:26.62	Sophia	is what it really means.
03:51:31.73	Sophia	you know, but I think we've had a lot of discussion about that. But this tool...
03:51:36.14	Sophia	can be used
03:51:37.32	Sophia	not only for view preservation, it can be used as a planning tool.
03:51:42.15	Sophia	Because you look at all of these sites and you see what it really means. It's not like, hey, my site...
03:51:49.89	Sophia	It's going to be whatever it is. But you can see, okay, well, maybe it could be like this. It's not so bad. Or no, it's terrible. You know, you can really fine-tune it. And with the dashboard, you see what it means.
03:52:01.94	Sophia	Okay, so then...
03:52:04.81	Sophia	The other part of our program is the, so our future-
03:52:09.80	Karen Hollweg	Sophia, I'm going to ask you for an ETA because you've been almost 15 minutes so far.
03:52:13.04	Sophia	I'm sorry.
03:52:14.41	Sophia	Okay, I'm almost done.
03:52:16.20	Sophia	So then my second part here is the U-Sync compliance mode.
03:52:21.99	Sophia	And I'm just going to demo that and then I'm done.
03:52:24.38	Sophia	So here's the compliance mode.
03:52:26.83	Sophia	Upload a model.
03:52:29.38	Sophia	Find out where it is. Send for analysis. This is Speed It Up.
03:52:34.27	Sophia	Scanning some of the nearby homes, boom, there they are.
03:52:39.59	Sophia	Continue processing.
03:52:41.80	Sophia	Going to speed it up.
03:52:44.41	Sophia	View impact.
03:52:46.56	Sophia	And that is emailed to the person.
03:52:54.44	Sophia	That's it.
03:52:55.33	Sophia	I'm going to go.
03:52:55.52	Karen Hollweg	I'm gonna go ahead and ask you a couple of questions
03:52:57.49	Sophia	Yeah.
03:52:57.64	Karen Hollweg	Based on the comments of Bob Brown and HCD. So...
03:53:02.32	Karen Hollweg	Um, I know.
03:53:03.72	Karen Hollweg	that our goal for this on the one hand is view preservation. However, we are incorporating this into an odds, which is an objective design standard. And so it has to be user friendly for the user to be able to
03:53:09.02	Unknown	Thank you.
03:53:09.03	Unknown	However,
03:53:19.99	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
03:53:20.05	Karen Hollweg	ascertain whether their project will comply with Sausalito's objective design standards. And so one of the issues raised by Andrew Junius is, is it a truly iterative process?
03:53:36.86	Karen Hollweg	Is an applicant going to be able to use this software
03:53:42.11	Karen Hollweg	to ascertain that
03:53:44.52	Karen Hollweg	on their own without involving staff assistance, whether or not their proposed project is compliant, and if not, how it needs to be modified to be compliant.
03:53:55.83	Karen Hollweg	No.
03:53:55.96	Sophia	Oh, absolutely. I mean, that's where the, one of the things that the original concept was to work with Esri
03:54:01.42	Sophia	And that one of the concerns always with that was that, okay, they would have to kind of work through an ESRI.
03:54:07.05	Sophia	This is a web app.
03:54:09.68	Sophia	log in.
03:54:11.42	Sophia	upload your model and get a report back. And that report will tell you, okay, here's the properties that were potentially impacted
03:54:19.74	Sophia	Here's the analysis of what the problem was, if there is any. And then there you are. Which is what you just showed us. You just showed us.
03:54:27.01	Karen Hollweg	Which is what you just showed us. You just showed us the three issues identified in that area.
03:54:30.84	Sophia	Right. In that one, only one of them had an issue in that particular case. Right. And then there would be a in the email, it would lay out, OK, here's the name of the, you know, the location. Here is the a image of like the earlier images I showed of views have shapes, shapes have sizes. It would show the place where the size caused a problem. Then they would be able to see, just like we're using in ViewSync Interactive,
03:54:31.92	Karen Hollweg	I've got one of these only
03:55:02.99	Sophia	that, okay, if I shape my building slightly differently,
03:55:06.11	Sophia	then I wouldn't have that problem.
03:55:07.82	Sophia	or
03:55:08.69	Sophia	I want to come into Sausalito and say, I don't care about views, and I'm going to come in looking for a waiver. But basically, you can shape the building to –
03:55:18.80	Sophia	with respect to view.
03:55:21.27	Sophia	And this will guide them into how to do that.
03:55:21.98	Karen Hollweg	This will go.
03:55:24.15	Karen Hollweg	So the other challenge is the fate is where we are at with this. So we were told in October that we could have this ready to roll in time for adoption of our odds. It's not ready to roll.
03:55:27.63	Sophia	Yeah.
03:55:35.07	Sophia	I mean, it's very close. I'm sorry.
03:55:36.66	Karen Hollweg	I'm sorry, you asked my question yet.
03:55:38.28	Sophia	Sorry.
03:55:38.41	Karen Hollweg	Um,
03:55:40.12	Karen Hollweg	I believe we are inclined to include it, even though it's not fully ready to roll. But what is the ET? Because HCD is going to push back on us and say,
03:55:50.26	Karen Hollweg	This isn't fully tested and vetted, and why are you including this? So what is your ETA real?
03:55:56.47	Karen Hollweg	like down to earth, no
03:55:58.97	Karen Hollweg	no BS, when is this going to be, when can we say to HCD, this is, this has been rolled out and is ready to use.
03:56:08.42	Sophia	Well, one thing that I want to understand and I've
03:56:10.68	Karen Hollweg	I'm looking for a date.
03:56:12.26	Sophia	Right. And may I first respond? Yes, you can, of course. One of the challenges that I've had, frankly, is that there's been discussion to me like, Sophia, you need to do some testing.
03:56:16.11	Unknown	And record.
03:56:24.50	Sophia	It's like, well, what kind of testing is that? You know, like, for example, I feel that at this moment, for example, I feel I have demonstrated through the
03:56:32.95	Sophia	interactive tool that I just demonstrated.
03:56:35.23	Sophia	that I've answered the question of the person at HCD.
03:56:39.21	Sophia	Like that is the answer. And that's, that's.
03:56:41.80	Sophia	That's a, I feel like a very strong answer to that.
03:56:45.96	Sophia	That's a complete answer to that question.
03:56:48.31	Sophia	But I want to understand, I've tried to find out, okay, what other things, what are the, like, to me, like, for me, like, testing software has, you know, specific things.
03:56:58.77	Sophia	There's specific meaning that I have, but I don't understand like when I hear it's going to cost a lot or it's going to be a lot of testing. Nobody told me what that was.
03:57:02.60	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
03:57:04.78	Karen Hollweg	Right.
03:57:07.19	Karen Hollweg	OK, I'm going to turn to our director of community and economic development. Where is the disconnect, Brandon? What do we need to convey to Sophia so that she can get us across the finish line?
03:57:19.33	Brandon Phipps	So I think that looking back to the letter and discussions that we've had with HCD, the term that they've used as related to ensuring, you know, kind of our own compliance is that we provide or conduct some sort of capacity reduction analysis, which demonstrates that the tool, or that would demonstrate that the tool does not preclude the feasibility of developing housing projects on housing element opportunity sites at the densities proposed in the amended housing element to meet the city's arena requirements. And in order to satisfy the concerns raised by HCD.
03:57:58.69	Karen Hollweg	So, but Brandon, we know from experience from some of the sites that are listed that it is infeasible to build those sites out at their listed density with a density bonus. So that is not a feasible task for us to undertake.
03:58:18.13	Brandon Phipps	I believe it would not necessarily require the city to conduct that analysis in connection with density bonus. I think that that analysis would just need to occur in connection with the densities proposed in the amended housing element to meet the city's arena requirements as related to realistic capacity.
03:58:35.01	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
03:58:35.19	Unknown	Okay.
03:58:35.35	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
03:58:35.58	Karen Hollweg	.
03:58:35.77	Karen Hollweg	So is that something possible? Well, I just showed it. You showed us 860, but you raised the issue of the 750 square foot. And so when we are listing units...
03:58:37.17	Unknown	I know.
03:58:42.59	Sophia	Yeah.
03:58:52.81	Karen Hollweg	Um,
03:58:55.02	Karen Hollweg	You understand that the whole...
03:58:58.11	Karen Hollweg	challenge of
03:59:01.03	Karen Hollweg	uh,
03:59:01.55	Karen Hollweg	feasibility is not just
03:59:05.50	Karen Hollweg	a 750 square unit, but an economically viable unit to allow development on that site. So.
03:59:14.38	Karen Hollweg	people can come to us and say, listen, it's not economically viable for me to build in this manner
03:59:19.63	Karen Hollweg	You know, if you make me build 500 square foot units, I can't make any money.
03:59:25.55	Karen Hollweg	So.
03:59:27.61	Karen Hollweg	How do we connect the dots between development potential and what your software does?
03:59:33.18	Sophia	I mean, I think that for me that I,
03:59:36.53	Sophia	I am only producing a software that can assess view
03:59:41.80	Sophia	impact.
03:59:43.47	Sophia	These, to me, that's more of a policy question. You are size and shape of building. I'm trying, like I'm saying, if you show me a building, I can tell you is, does that have
03:59:53.04	Karen Hollweg	impact on somebody's view. So Brandon, what do we need besides size and shape of building from this software?
04:00:00.30	Brandon Phipps	Well, it would have to be able to test a variety of sizes and shapes, I imagine. And from my position as staff, I'll admit I haven't had the opportunity to engage with the ViewSync interactive design tool or really the ViewSync compliance web application. So I'll admit my exposure to these things and my ability to interface with them has been pretty minimal to this point.
04:00:17.27	Unknown	Okay.
04:00:27.04	Karen Hollweg	So can I ask then that between now and when we hear this next, that you or whoever you designate as your guinea pig engages with the ViewSync software so that we can confidently address the issues raised by HCD? Okay.
04:00:48.25	Karen Hollweg	Uh,
04:00:48.37	Unknown	Yeah.
04:00:48.54	Unknown	Thank you.
04:00:49.05	Karen Hollweg	And because although I think we all voted in favor of this software, we don't want to include in our
04:00:57.32	Karen Hollweg	Design standards something we know is going to be rejected by HCD out of hand and I see that the council member Sobieski wants to add his two cents
04:01:06.53	Helen Sobieski	I just have a question actually for you or for Brandon or Beth, if she's still on the phone, because it's related to just thinking ahead. This isn't the last housing element we're going to have to go through. So I know, I know, but, but using this view sync tool, uh,
04:01:24.40	Helen Sobieski	to
04:01:25.77	Helen Sobieski	in a future housing element.
04:01:27.98	Helen Sobieski	I'm wondering if we, the current housing element process, and I know the hour is late, so sorry.
04:01:33.67	Helen Sobieski	the current process involves rezoning sites. And then we kind of,
04:01:37.11	Helen Sobieski	It's either an opportunity site, it's rezoned
04:01:39.17	Helen Sobieski	That's it, right? And then they then those issues you just brought in.
04:01:42.95	Helen Sobieski	kind of control what the size of the building is. Is it economically viable? And then there's a whole debate about that. My question is for a future housing element process, would we be able to use this tool
04:01:53.61	Helen Sobieski	to pre-negotiate community development agreements
04:01:59.18	Helen Sobieski	to fit within a box of no view impact.
04:02:03.65	Helen Sobieski	and have a housing element based on a bunch of CDAs instead of a bunch of rezonings. And that's what I don't know. And I'm curious.
04:02:11.55	Karen Hollweg	And I'm not sure HCD will allow us to develop a housing element based on no view impacts. So that's why I said this is a parallel process. On the one hand, we as residents want to use this to protect views. But on the other hand, HCD does not want us to constrain housing
04:02:31.97	Karen Hollweg	in favor of views.
04:02:34.42	Helen Sobieski	It was a question if we actually got to a rena, whatever the rena number was, for the future one, with no view impact, because we use this tool,
04:02:37.91	Karen Hollweg	Thanks, man.
04:02:37.99	Unknown	Thank you.
04:02:38.04	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:02:38.08	Unknown	Thank you.
04:02:42.53	Helen Sobieski	And rather than it being just zoning changes, it was a bunch of CDAs. Would we be able to, would that be a future housing that this tool could be a cornerstone
04:02:47.75	Sophia	Keep with that.
04:02:52.83	Helen Sobieski	to use
04:02:53.05	Sophia	May I clarify one thing as well?
04:02:55.68	Sophia	which is that the ViewSync interactive is a planning tool.
04:02:59.86	Sophia	So that's kind of, could we fit something here? What could it be?
04:03:03.91	Sophia	and so on. That's a planning tool.
04:03:05.75	Sophia	and that is to demonstrate
04:03:07.51	Sophia	to HCD, hey, we came up with 829 units.
04:03:12.67	Sophia	you know, this is not, we're on the hook for 724. So-
04:03:17.65	Sophia	You know, maybe with Michael Rex's work, we could get it even more designed and better. But I feel like we showed made our case. It's not like, hey, we got 200 units. We've got more than our housing element. So I feel like in terms of that.
04:03:31.39	Sophia	like just a policy or discussion with them,
04:03:34.08	Sophia	I feel like we have a strong case.
04:03:36.72	Sophia	if we had more time, you know, and a consultant maybe even stronger case. Okay, but again-
04:03:42.03	Karen Hollweg	The focus of tonight is whether this is a suitable tool for objective design review standards. We can have a housing element conversation at a future date.
04:03:50.03	Beth Thompson	Right.
04:03:54.15	Karen Hollweg	The question for tonight is, will this be ready to utilize in an effective manner as part of our objective design standard, or else we have to take it out of our program?
04:04:06.97	Sophia	No, so, so, but I wanted to, so I just wanted to clarify the difference. So we've got the view sync interactive. I went over that.
04:04:14.01	Sophia	The ViewSync Compliance app,
04:04:16.07	Sophia	that allows a person to up a developer to upload any
04:04:20.76	Sophia	model so that to upload their model, this is not uploading some model that we did. That's their model. So that's what that's purpose is.
04:04:25.60	Karen Hollweg	Right.
04:04:28.15	Karen Hollweg	I have no doubt about the efficacy of the software right my question to you is is it ready to hit the street
04:04:37.25	Karen Hollweg	on February 25th or March 4th,
04:04:41.23	Karen Hollweg	It or not, or will it take another six months?
04:04:43.76	Sophia	No, I think it's practically done. I mean, that is basically what we would call this is the validation phase. Okay.
04:04:50.04	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to ask Brandon to have a designee work with you so that staff can endorse what you're saying, because tonight I'm not hearing any endorsement from staff of your view on that.
04:05:01.89	Sophia	Right. And I think, you know, truthfully, you know, Madam Mayor, I haven't worked that closely with staff because they have been, you know, very busy. Because we've buried them. Very busy with other things. And I think that Brandon has relied upon me to carry the ball, which I happily have done so.
04:05:09.70	Karen Hollweg	because we've buried them with
04:05:16.89	Karen Hollweg	which I have.
04:05:18.88	Sophia	However, I have requested, you know, to retain consultants and so on. For some reason, nobody ever came to help me. Well, no, we're not. I'm carrying forth as well.
04:05:26.47	Karen Hollweg	What?
04:05:26.91	Karen Hollweg	We're not.
04:05:28.16	Karen Hollweg	as well.
04:05:28.60	Karen Hollweg	So that's not something branding can authorize. You have to come to us to authorize or the city manager to authorize the hiring of a consultant. Sure. Right now we're on a deadline. So I'm just trying to see whether we're going to cross that finish line or not. So understood. Is everybody clear on that direction?
04:05:46.11	Karen Hollweg	I'm looking at Brandon.
04:05:47.92	Brandon Phipps	I am clear I will work with the designate to work with Sophia.
04:05:53.44	Brandon Phipps	and that work will be related to confirming that the ViewSync compliance web application can support the densities as proposed in these cities.
04:06:04.12	Karen Hollweg	No, can support the evaluation of a proposed site utilizing objective design standards enunciated in...
04:06:16.86	Karen Hollweg	our
04:06:18.09	Karen Hollweg	what we're about to adopt. I think we need to discuss that, though. I agree. This was just my question. I'm now going to open up for questions from council members. Then we're going to hear public comment. Then we'll make our own comments.
04:06:20.00	Unknown	Thank you.
04:06:32.07	Woodside	It's partly a comment, but also a question. OK, please, no comments.
04:06:39.69	Woodside	So, Fai, you have made the case, and is it correct, and this is a question for Brandon and maybe the city attorney, the HCD could simply say, no, we don't agree.
04:06:55.99	Woodside	That's what's at stake. So we're going to go forward with something, and it's going to be used as a tool to help not just preserve views, but to convince HCD that this will not reduce the potential of housing.
04:07:12.72	Karen Hollweg	So she has already made a presentation to HCD.
04:07:15.97	Karen Hollweg	And HCD is pushing back after having already been through what we've seen. I understood what she said, yes. Okay.
04:07:20.08	Woodside	I understood what she said. But the jury's out on the efficacy of it from their point of view, not necessarily from ours, unless others think it's not useful.
04:07:31.53	Karen Hollweg	Bob Brown.
04:07:32.23	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:07:32.38	Unknown	it's he doesn't believe it's ready and sergio's looks like sergio wants to weigh in so
04:07:37.88	Sergio	I'll be brief. The concerns that we're going to need to grow with HDD are whether or not disposability is a constraint on development because they...
04:07:46.81	Karen Hollweg	Her voice is very garbled. I'm not quite sure why.
04:07:54.80	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:07:54.82	Unknown	Um,
04:07:54.89	Karen Hollweg	We've been hearing you clearly before. Is that better?
04:07:57.08	Unknown	Is that better?
04:07:57.88	Karen Hollweg	Yes.
04:07:58.57	Unknown	Okay, there we go.
04:08:01.11	Unknown	The concerns we're going to need to broach with HCD are whether or not the
04:08:05.35	Unknown	objective design and development standards one pose a constraint on development
04:08:09.72	Unknown	and two, really fulfill the mandate that the city has set for itself in the housing element.
04:08:16.67	Unknown	where we indicate that this is going to be a program to streamline housing production. So those are really going to be the
04:08:24.57	Unknown	the concerns that have already been raised by HCD that we need to address with this particular
04:08:28.52	Unknown	tool.
04:08:29.26	Unknown	So.
04:08:30.46	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
04:08:31.19	Karen Hollweg	So I think it's fair to say we're going to ask staff to weigh in on that at our next presentation.
04:08:37.75	Unknown	Yes, Councilmember Hoffman. Is there anything that constrains us from adopting the proposed odds, the proposed odds that Mr. Brown just talked about, as well as abusing, as alternatives?
04:08:52.08	Unknown	I mean, we can do both and present both to HCD rights.
04:08:55.32	Unknown	Thank you.
04:08:55.33	Karen Hollweg	I think we can have a chapter within the odds
04:08:58.39	Unknown	Yeah.
04:08:58.71	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:08:59.11	Karen Hollweg	And so here,
04:09:00.57	Unknown	here.
04:09:00.68	Karen Hollweg	or
04:09:00.82	Unknown	And the odds could say,
04:09:00.87	Karen Hollweg	And the odds could say...
04:09:03.20	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:09:03.40	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I see Neil Tuft coming to the...
04:09:04.82	Unknown	Uh-oh.
04:09:06.56	Neil Toft	Thank you.
04:09:06.57	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:09:06.61	Neil Toft	Thank you.
04:09:06.62	Karen Hollweg	the diet.
04:09:06.98	Neil Toft	Just to clarify, yes, it is chapter three within the odds. Yeah. That is the text language is the basis of both the standards and the...
04:09:07.87	Karen Hollweg	Yes.
04:09:08.87	Karen Hollweg	THE FAMILY.
04:09:11.30	Unknown	Yeah.
04:09:19.08	Neil Toft	software. Maybe you have a better way of explaining.
04:09:22.82	Neil Toft	how that
04:09:23.85	Neil Toft	chapter explains kind of how the software is supposed to work. So there's no doubt. This kind of standalone chapter that is similar to view protection. So,
04:09:27.58	Unknown	Thank you.
04:09:27.60	Karen Hollweg	All right.
04:09:27.68	Unknown	There's a lot of people.
04:09:27.92	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:09:34.25	Karen Hollweg	So we could remove that chapter if we got, if HCD declined. Yes.
04:09:40.48	Brandon Phipps	We have some flexibility to decouple. Yep.
04:09:43.23	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:09:43.24	Sophia	at the end.
04:09:43.36	Unknown	Okay.
04:09:43.48	Sophia	Thank you.
04:09:43.50	Unknown	Thank you.
04:09:43.58	Sophia	Thank you.
04:09:43.76	Sophia	Okay. I mean, I think it would be important to have a plan B then, because I think that it's a
04:09:49.74	Sophia	I mean, obviously it put a great deal of effort into this, but it's certainly, if it isn't to come to fruition for whatever reason,
04:09:55.83	Sophia	Karen Hollweg, You know that's the way it is, but I think it's very important that says Alito has a plan B on view protection, because we cannot abandon view protection.
04:10:06.11	Karen Hollweg	I agree. So if it's not in the odds, we can still use it as a tool. It's just not part of the objective design standards. So it doesn't preclude us from using it as a tool. It just is not an automatic tool for prospective developers to utilize in ascertaining the feasibility of their design because we cannot...
04:10:07.59	Sophia	If it's not in the office.
04:10:26.92	Karen Hollweg	impose a constraint.
04:10:28.40	Karen Hollweg	on development so we have to be able to demonstrate anyway i think staff is clear are there any other questions from council members i'm going to open it up for public comment i don't have any speaker cards
04:10:40.36	Sophia	Thank you, Michael Rex.
04:10:42.05	Karen Hollweg	Okay, Michael Rex.
04:10:44.90	Karen Hollweg	And thank you, Sophia. I'm not trying to cut you short. Apologies.
04:10:51.20	Michael Rex	A little perspective here. The Planning Commission sent to you an odds document that had no view protection. Its privacy protection didn't work. It had no historic preservation. The draft was written in a way that some of it didn't even fit Sausalito. We had to add sections for downhill lots that just wasn't in the draft. We also wanted to reduce the scope. Parts of it, portions of it had really nothing to do with Sausalito. So that's why we put a volunteer group together and you endorsed it. Okay, so here we are.
04:11:31.88	Unknown	Wait.
04:11:31.99	Unknown	Thank you.
04:11:32.00	Unknown	I'm not sure.
04:11:35.56	Michael Rex	The planning commission at their last study session to a commissioner said,
04:11:40.84	Michael Rex	Um,
04:11:41.92	Michael Rex	We were not ready for view protection. They weren't convinced of this. Sausalito, as Sophia just said, we cannot have a law for development standards that doesn't protect views. Okay. And this is not only, I think what we probably should do here is what we did for the historic district. We took a very specific site,
04:12:07.79	Michael Rex	and we applied the standards and we we actually went back and thought we got to revise the standard a little bit um it was very telling i think with this view sync we should take a specific opportunity site
04:12:21.19	Michael Rex	And she,
04:12:22.64	Michael Rex	prove it.
04:12:23.91	Michael Rex	in a graphic way where this view sync's applied
04:12:29.02	Michael Rex	And anybody can understand
04:12:31.59	Michael Rex	It meets that
04:12:34.12	Michael Rex	It protects you without reducing the unit count. Okay. And I think working with staff, we can do that. And I'm willing to help.
04:12:45.85	Michael Rex	in that as well. I would, we would love that. And I, I think we can get David Merlot to help with a couple of architects with staff. Okay.
04:12:53.54	Karen Hollweg	So, and again, Brandon, it's a constraint, does it impose a constraint on development beyond what has already been enacted within our zoning code? So we still do have a right to protect views so long as that was enunciated prior to a certain date.
04:13:15.99	Brandon Phipps	Yes, that is the case. I think it's January 1, 2018. However, the way that the odds is being structured is an alternative potential permitting pathway for development. So developers may always avail themselves of the typical design review, more discretionary review process. that's why you know really the intent I think here is for this objective route to be a streamlined approach. And, right, I mean, staff's hope is that that avenue does provide for the opportunity to support the RENA numbers that the city's adopted in its, or at least proposed in its amended housing element.
04:13:20.22	Unknown	Thank you.
04:13:20.24	Jim Madden	uh,
04:13:31.51	Karen Hollweg	A design review.
04:13:57.78	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. Vicki Nichols.
04:14:01.14	Karen Hollweg	And then do we have anyone online, city clerk?
04:14:04.06	City Clerk	Yes, we do.
04:14:04.85	City Clerk	Thank you.
04:14:05.87	Vicki Nichols	Thank you. I wanted to speak to the case study that I saw in the staff report that I was not aware that was done. And I think it's interesting because we did, at the end, avail odds from different communities. So we used a lot of the San Francisco odds, which specifically talked about that setback that was used in the case study. And I agree that was a good demonstration. But what I want to talk about in the case study is I'm not sure how the Secretary of Interior Standards apply with the odds and the way that the...
04:14:43.50	Vicki Nichols	second edition was made was introducing different materials in, vis-a-vis the illumined windows in a historic district, attaching the parapet to the original structure. All these things are not recommended. So if the project comes in under odds, there's no review at this point. How is it that we're going to be able to, if at all,
04:15:08.39	Vicki Nichols	have any reference to the Secretary of Interior Standards. These buildings are documented in a historic district, so they
04:15:16.54	Vicki Nichols	Thank you.
04:15:17.49	Vicki Nichols	Most of them do have character-defining features.
04:15:24.07	Vicki Nichols	And
04:15:24.71	Vicki Nichols	I just would be alarmed. I checked with our chair today, HPC, to see if I was just overreacting. He had the same concerns. So I guess the question is, how is it that under the odds, using this case study as sort of the precedent, that people will just be able to come in and do this with a setback,
04:15:49.50	Vicki Nichols	and be able to, through massing, get their building permit
04:15:53.97	Vicki Nichols	how will we look at design features vis-a-vis materials. I think it's really important. Thank you.
04:16:02.84	Vicki Nichols	See you.
04:16:03.03	City Clerk	clerk.
04:16:03.54	City Clerk	Babette McDougall.
04:16:11.89	Babette McDougall	Can you hear me all right?
04:16:14.08	Babette McDougall	Yes. Okay. Thank you.
04:16:14.20	Unknown	Yes.
04:16:14.56	Unknown	Thank you.
04:16:17.02	Babette McDougall	So thank you.
04:16:19.69	Babette McDougall	This has been a very, you probably could tell,
04:16:22.64	Babette McDougall	Personally, I'm not all that much in favor of having to put up with somebody's software beta model. But on the other hand, I'm a big believer in beta models. And the more I hear
04:16:32.95	Babette McDougall	And I want to thank everybody for taking the drill down task on this particular aspect, because I think it will be a net.
04:16:39.97	Babette McDougall	benefit to the community overall.
04:16:42.50	Babette McDougall	But I do have some things that we need to, I personally think we need to keep in mind if you don't,
04:16:47.29	Babette McDougall	If you don't mind, we are just this morning at the State of the City Breakfast. What did the fire under chief and the marshal say? They both said, we want to look, let's look what we're just dealing with. We've all been involved with L.A. one way or the other. We sent huge resources there. Now they're back.
04:17:05.87	Babette McDougall	It turns out everybody that goes down to the work, they do it on their off and volunteer time.
04:17:11.36	Babette McDougall	You know, they don't juggle responsiveness up here. That's awesome. So they said we need to create the model on how to do this wildlife urban interface and go forward. So, yes, maybe the modeling is thinking about.
04:17:24.13	Babette McDougall	Let's be stingy about our views because we are.
04:17:28.17	Babette McDougall	We're possessive of our beautiful place.
04:17:31.19	Babette McDougall	by by.
04:17:32.49	Babette McDougall	by fiat.
04:17:34.00	Babette McDougall	By claim, we love this place.
04:17:36.81	Babette McDougall	But let's remember the bigger picture that we want to create a model.
04:17:40.48	Babette McDougall	with the whole county if we can.
04:17:42.49	Babette McDougall	So I say, let's do this with open arms and let's be as inclusive
04:17:46.68	Babette McDougall	And unite as many, let's get Marine City on the content. I mean, really, let's just bring them in.
04:17:52.75	Babette McDougall	And let the first responders stand out front and give us what they know, because they know a lot at this point.
04:17:59.00	Babette McDougall	And again, we need to remember densification
04:18:01.83	Babette McDougall	frankly, turns out to be a disappointing model for solving population location issues.
04:18:08.63	Babette McDougall	We just may have to look more inventively out of the box. Mr. Sobieski can do that for us. Thank you.
04:18:15.74	City Clerk	No further public speakers.
04:18:17.02	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:18:18.28	City Clerk	Unless
04:18:19.31	Karen Hollweg	Go ahead and come forward, sir.
04:18:24.93	Archeobora	Archeobora.
04:18:26.64	Archeobora	uh,
04:18:27.92	Archeobora	I don't understand why we're looking at this presentation. Why isn't this presentation
04:18:33.37	Archeobora	given to the Housing Authority.
04:18:35.19	Archeobora	get their authority,
04:18:36.64	Archeobora	and we're through with it.
04:18:38.36	Archeobora	We have enough problems just to
04:18:40.63	Archeobora	build what you guys are doing.
04:18:42.53	Archeobora	Uh, uh.
04:18:44.19	Archeobora	required to bill.
04:18:46.19	Archeobora	Another comment I'd like to make is that
04:18:49.79	Archeobora	You have to build 724 units. You keep mentioning that.
04:18:55.71	Archeobora	How many have you built so far?
04:18:59.05	Archeobora	Okay?
04:19:00.02	Archeobora	You're under a time constraint.
04:19:02.85	Archeobora	The other problem, you're talking about ADUs.
04:19:06.68	Archeobora	And.
04:19:07.90	Archeobora	If you built 700 ADUs,
04:19:11.69	Archeobora	It's.
04:19:12.57	Archeobora	They're the most expensive thing to build.
04:19:15.62	Archeobora	single unit
04:19:17.72	Archeobora	costs more
04:19:19.12	Archeobora	than a high rise.
04:19:21.99	Archeobora	And
04:19:24.53	Archeobora	The people that, if you sell it,
04:19:27.32	Archeobora	You can't.
04:19:28.20	Archeobora	if it costs you $600 or $700 a square foot,
04:19:32.28	Archeobora	It can't be under the low cost. You have 60% of your...
04:19:37.26	Archeobora	units.
04:19:38.74	Archeobora	are controlled. 40%
04:19:41.55	Archeobora	are open. You're talking about the Altamir
04:19:45.29	Archeobora	and worried about that, they sold the Altamir for 28 million bucks.
04:19:50.18	Archeobora	And if you're going to put a whole bunch of
04:19:52.18	Archeobora	low-cost housing, they're not going to let you do it. I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
04:19:58.72	Archeobora	Uh,
04:19:59.99	Archeobora	The other thing you were talking, I know is coming up about the
04:20:03.16	Archeobora	the
04:20:04.11	Archeobora	Robert Alverson, Ph.D.: Fire.
04:20:05.54	Archeobora	sprinklers.
04:20:07.01	Archeobora	the cost of fire sprinklers,
04:20:09.51	Archeobora	It's between $10,000 and $15,000 to put a fire sprinkler in.
04:20:14.57	Archeobora	Not only that,
04:20:15.82	Archeobora	you may have to change the water line, and you may have to get a larger
04:20:20.10	Archeobora	Oh.
04:20:20.63	Archeobora	Vow.
04:20:21.94	Archeobora	And that's an ongoing expense every month.
04:20:24.91	Archeobora	But
04:20:25.83	Archeobora	I mean,
04:20:27.21	Archeobora	Thank you.
04:20:27.26	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:20:28.68	Karen Hollweg	Thank you so much.
04:20:30.38	City Clerk	We have another speaker online, Stacy Nemo.
04:20:40.00	Stacey Neal	Hi, can everybody hear me okay?
04:20:41.52	Unknown	Yes.
04:20:42.67	Stacey Neal	Great. Thanks. I just wanted to support Sophia and Michael Rex on the improvement of the odds. I think that any improvement that we can possibly make to them, which suits building and Sausalito, is a great idea. It may not be a perfect fit right now with HCD, but I think the effort to improve it is a super great idea. We'd be foolish to miss out on trying to do everything we can to improve the odds as they stand now. That's it.
04:21:10.19	City Clerk	Thank you.
04:21:11.35	City Clerk	No further public speaking.
04:21:12.40	Karen Hollweg	All right, I'm going to close public comment, bring it back up here for discussion. I'm just going to lead off and say...
04:21:12.42	City Clerk	I'm not sure.
04:21:18.86	Karen Hollweg	Thank you. Michael, Rex, Sophia, your entire team.
04:21:23.08	Karen Hollweg	David Marlott, oh my goodness. The amount of work that you all have accomplished since this came to us, when you put together your study groups, and spent hundreds of hours literally
04:21:38.32	Karen Hollweg	The difference in the work product is
04:21:40.82	Karen Hollweg	astounding.
04:21:42.24	Karen Hollweg	It was an impossible task.
04:21:44.12	Karen Hollweg	I hope that you don't
04:21:46.45	Karen Hollweg	think any of us are opposed to getting this across the finish line in the best way possible so you know I just want to be sure that it is indeed an objective standard that we're not overly burdening
04:22:03.78	Karen Hollweg	any single homeowner or potential developer.
04:22:06.92	Karen Hollweg	from
04:22:07.95	Karen Hollweg	developing to the extent
04:22:10.28	Karen Hollweg	permitted under the code and
04:22:12.32	Karen Hollweg	permitted by our
04:22:15.88	Karen Hollweg	design review standards in place on january in january of 2018 so um
04:22:23.71	Karen Hollweg	I thank you, Brandon, for taking on the task of helping us get across the finish line with the view sync. I do think.
04:22:32.52	Karen Hollweg	that it can be a very helpful development tool. And as Council Member Sobieski pointed out, I look forward to using it for that purpose as well. And I think that's another way to demonstrate its utility to HCD.
04:22:48.77	Karen Hollweg	um,
04:22:49.74	Karen Hollweg	I don't think I have any other than understanding this. I don't think I have any further direction. Is there any comment from fellow council members?
04:23:00.69	Unknown	I just really want to reiterate the thank yous to the people involved. Michael Rex and Mayor Cox and I served on a Blue Ribbon Committee on Housing in 2018.
04:23:13.11	Unknown	during which time many of the recommendations that we actually see in the odds were suggested initially by Michael Rex and his tireless review of our planning. Hopefully we'll be able to go forward with more from that report on in other opportunities, because I think a lot of it was and is still relevant. And I appreciate the amount of time given by all of you. I'm hopeful that you think will be feasible. I will await feedback from staff and from Sophia and I appreciate again the amount of time put forward. The only comment that I would make as I have said before is just making sure we're mindful of what it might mean to not include at all any single family recommendations in the odds with regards to our commitments to HCD and the housing element. So just keeping that in mind, but I really appreciate
04:23:57.47	Unknown	I believe that.
04:23:59.11	Unknown	everyone's time and effort and I won't continue past my one minute there.
04:24:08.10	Unknown	Yeah, same. Thanks to everybody. I know it's been a huge, right? So huge effort. Okay, so relevant comments. I'm concerned about the ViewSync isn't ready to go for HCD acceptance. I'm just looking at the comments from the PC.
04:24:28.44	Unknown	All of them say not quite ready to go, from the PC members, planning commission members.
04:24:33.35	Unknown	And also feedback, frankly, from the from some of the staff members that I've talked to. That's not a criticism. It's just a I think it's just a fact about where we're at and also the feedback from ATD.
04:24:45.92	Unknown	That's not to say it shouldn't be presented because I think it's, it's an incredible tool. And I think it's a,
04:24:51.45	Unknown	something that we need to utilize and it's a cutting-edge
04:24:57.80	Unknown	Um,
04:24:59.59	Unknown	you know,
04:25:01.68	Unknown	really, really useful and incredible leap from what was presented to us, I think, a few months ago. So, I mean, it's been hard for, I think, Sophia working on it by herself. Thank you for all the work that you've done on it. But I've seen the, to me, there's been an improvement just from what you've done
04:25:24.87	Unknown	My concern is our CDDs, they're not computer guys.
04:25:30.13	Unknown	for all of their talents.
04:25:33.95	Unknown	you know and all their I'm sure gaming expertise I'm not sure that they have the the the the background to carry this forward but and they have a mountain of work to get us across the line in the next three weeks and then what we need to do in the next six months to get us over the line with this housing element so I just want to be cognizant of that and the direction that we're giving tonight to try to get this view sync working with you ready for HCD I think they should both be presented I think that the draft odds that we have need to be presented to HCD and that we should adopt those and that we should also present the view sync and so that we have both of those available that's that's my direction
04:26:20.47	Brandon Phipps	I appreciate that. May I ask a quick clarification question? So I'm clear on working with Sophia with a designee to continue the progress on the ViewSync compliance web application. I want to ask the question of how this relates to our tight timeline and the special planning commission meeting scheduled for February 19th, 2025. is the direction from council that we shepherd forward kind of two versions of the odds for consideration? Is that what I'm hearing? 15th, 2025. Is the direction from Council that we shepherd forward kind of two versions of the odds for consideration? Is that what I'm hearing? Or is it our, is it gonna be based on our determination of if the view sync is ready?
04:26:54.56	Karen Hollweg	I don't know.
04:26:54.84	Karen Hollweg	.
04:26:54.95	Karen Hollweg	I think, and council members, please weigh in if you disagree with me, but I think chapter three is already the view sync chapter. And so we can...
04:27:05.05	Karen Hollweg	on a dime.
04:27:06.93	Karen Hollweg	Remove chapter 3 if we make a decision at our subsequent hearing that it's not ready, but I am hoping that We that through your working with staff we can answer the question is Utilization of this alternative design review process that's intended to expedite design review doesn't impose a constraint on housing and
04:27:31.33	Karen Hollweg	And if we can
04:27:32.90	Karen Hollweg	you know, demonstrate it to the extent that we can answer that question no, then perhaps we can agree. I don't know if you'll have that done by the, and I don't know if there, if you could convince the Planning Commission, but ultimately it's up to us to listen to their recommendations, understand their concerns, address those to our satisfaction as we make our final decisions.
04:27:56.59	Brandon Phipps	Okay, so again, if I'm understanding correctly, we're going to do our very best to complete all of the analysis needed in connection with the ViewSync compliance web application and present those findings to the Planning Commission on the 19th. We will not have two versions. We will have a singular version, and we have flexibility to remove the chapters as this commission sees fit.
04:28:17.47	Brandon Phipps	Thank you.
04:28:17.48	Karen Hollweg	I see nodding heads.
04:28:18.36	Brandon Phipps	Appreciate that.
04:28:18.93	Unknown	Yeah, but let me, OK. So I would have phrased that differently. What I would have said was,
04:28:25.65	Unknown	your priority is to get us across the line for this housing element round. And if your workload does not allow you to finish the view sink, then it doesn't allow you to finish it. And the priority is we have a finished chapter before us right now. And that's the written chapter that attaches, I think, exhibit whatever it is, exhibit one. That's your finished chapter. And if your technical ability for view sink is taking up too much of your time, you know and you have a mouth That's your finished chapter. And if your technical ability for ViewSync is taking up too much of your time, and you have a mountain of work beside that, then you need to pivot, and you don't have enough time to just get it done because you don't have the technical expertise to do it or whatever it is. And that's your discretion. You're the director of the department. And that's up to you. And with your bandwidth. And that's just, you know, that's just a fact. And that's just a fact within, for at your discretion as a director of the department. And to get it across the line. I say regardless, whatever status it's at, and if it's at a different status from the last time HCD's looked at this, I would still present it to HCD. Okay.
04:28:29.65	Unknown	Thank you.
04:28:29.67	Unknown	Yeah.
04:28:29.93	Unknown	Thank you.
04:29:32.71	Unknown	and say this is a great new tool and we're working on it and you may see this again and what do you think about it at the status that it's at right now it's different from what you saw last time because you're going to see this again because we're going to continue to work on this and we're going to continue to use this at a later iteration so i mean that would that would be my direction and it's okay and if you can't get it done then then you can't get it done
04:29:53.85	Unknown	So,
04:29:54.02	Karen Hollweg	So I would agree. So Council Member Sobieski wants to weigh in as well. I would agree.
04:30:01.11	Karen Hollweg	Getting our...
04:30:02.12	Karen Hollweg	ballot initiatives on the ballot, getting our housing element approved in time,
04:30:07.07	Karen Hollweg	priorities.
04:30:10.04	Karen Hollweg	If a designee of yours can meet with Sophia to help us get across the finish line so there's less risk in including Chapter 3, I think that would be our preference. So, Council Member Sobieski.
04:30:23.64	Helen Sobieski	Yeah, I know it's late, so I might not be hearing things right. I didn't hear anything when the way Director Phipps summarized it, that
04:30:30.96	Helen Sobieski	suggested that making sure we stay out of builders, but he's not his number one priority. So obviously, obviously that's the priority, but
04:30:35.69	Unknown	Agreed.
04:30:36.13	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:30:36.18	Unknown	Thank you.
04:30:38.32	Helen Sobieski	The best way to thank Sophia and everyone who's worked on this is indeed to.
04:30:42.35	Helen Sobieski	making the best effort approach.
04:30:43.96	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
04:30:44.51	Helen Sobieski	Thank you.
04:30:44.82	Helen Sobieski	to have this included in the odds with HCD and otherwise. So I think that's the clear.
04:30:51.04	Brandon Phipps	Appreciate that, counsel. And I would be remiss to not thank Sophia as well for all of her excellent work and the rest of the peer review group. Thank you.
04:30:58.99	Karen Hollweg	All right.
04:31:01.62	Karen Hollweg	Karen Hollweg, Okay, with that i'm going to swiftly move on to our last item we're going to bifurcate this item slightly because this item concerns two different ballot initiatives so we're going to discuss process. Karen Hollweg, And we're going to then discuss each ballot initiative and for the ballot initiative concerning.
04:31:25.39	Karen Hollweg	1128
04:31:29.18	Karen Hollweg	Sorry.
04:31:30.11	Karen Hollweg	Yes, I'm going to recuse myself because that is confined to the MLK site
04:31:36.24	Karen Hollweg	um,
04:31:37.10	Karen Hollweg	And I cannot thank you.
04:31:39.07	Karen Hollweg	and good evening, and I cannot weigh in on that. But first, we're going to hear a staff report, which is hopefully brief, and then we'll go through...
04:31:49.75	Karen Hollweg	the process
04:31:52.37	Karen Hollweg	Are we going to do one ballot initiative, two ballot initiatives in June?
04:31:56.54	Karen Hollweg	And then we will discuss the content of each individual ballot initiative and I will
04:32:03.50	Karen Hollweg	Turn the gavel over to the vice mayor for the discussion of 11-28.
04:32:07.56	Brandon Phipps	Okay, thank you, Mayor. In connection with this item, we've provided for you a draft ordinance and zoning map amendment that would implement rezoning of sites and other required zoning text changes necessary to implement the proposed amended housing element. We've also provided a zoning map and modified list of sites to reflect the alternative modified amended housing element that you've heard tonight. We will have our consultant, Beth Thompson, provide a brief overview of the rezoning program. And I'll note that we've also provided a draft resolution calling for ballot measures for the rezoning of Opportunity Sites 1022, 1128. Quite a number of housing sites identified under both the adopted housing element and the draft amended housing element are subject to those restrictions, as we know, to a tune of 452 units in total that can only be lifted by the electorate. And again, our consultant, Ms. Thompson, will provide more details on that list subject to those ordinances. And I will just note, we are currently working with a ballot consultant who we hope will help to provide us with a survey that will inform communities attitudes and inform cities approach to how these ballot measures will be proposed we anticipate that that survey data will be provided to staff very soon I am working with them to schedule a follow-on meeting we will share that information with council when we receive it thank you
04:32:59.48	Unknown	So,
04:33:35.36	Karen Hollweg	Brandon, we've already heard and given direction on the programs for rezoning, which will change what is in our staff report tonight on rezoning. So do we need to hear rezoning again, or can we go to ballot managers?
04:33:53.53	Brandon Phipps	So, yeah, staff can kind of decouple some of those items, and I agree that, you know, some of these items have higher degrees of overlap. So we can decouple some of those comments and integrate them into how we handle this approach. I'm seeing that Beth's joining us here. Beth, any follow-up on that?
04:34:11.79	Beth Thompson	No, I think we've got some great discussion already and guidance on the program for sites. And so, yes, if you want to go straight to the ballot measures, I don't know that there's a need to go in detail through the rezoning, the changes to the zoning tax.
04:34:27.03	Karen Hollweg	you
04:34:27.18	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
04:34:27.21	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:34:27.33	Karen Hollweg	And is that okay with my fellow council members?
04:34:29.58	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:34:29.59	Woodside	Fine with me. I just wanted to underscore, ask the question, how many units are in jeopardy if the ballot measures do not pass?
04:34:40.78	Brandon Phipps	452.
04:34:42.52	Woodside	Okay, you said that earlier. I just want to make sure everybody understands how many of those are attributable to MLK.
04:34:50.11	Woodside	It depends.
04:34:50.38	Brandon Phipps	94, 80, 50.
04:34:51.65	Woodside	Okay. I'm just saying this for everyone's benefit. And 1022 is 358. Related to another, if we had two ballot measures, for example.
04:34:56.14	Brandon Phipps	And 1022 is 358.
04:35:02.50	Karen Hollweg	which we have to have two ballot measures,
04:35:04.30	Woodside	in order to do it.
04:35:05.15	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
04:35:05.49	Woodside	Right.
04:35:05.67	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:35:05.69	Woodside	Thank you.
04:35:06.90	Woodside	Okay.
04:35:08.20	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
04:35:08.64	Woodside	Just clarifying question.
04:35:10.62	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
04:35:11.90	Karen Hollweg	Great.
04:35:13.10	Karen Hollweg	So, Beth, one of your slides was on the ballot measures.
04:35:19.53	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:35:19.54	Beth Thompson	One of my slides was on the ballot measures correct and I can pop up that slide again, or I can hand it over to the city attorney to go over the ballot measures.
04:35:33.78	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:35:33.80	Beth Thompson	Well, why don't you turn to your slide?
04:35:35.40	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:35:35.56	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:35:35.62	Beth Thompson	Let's see. So I have I'm going to actually go back to the housing element presentation as opposed to the presentation that's part of this, because it actually has, I think, a better slide for the ballot measures.
04:35:48.11	Unknown	Okay.
04:35:51.59	Beth Thompson	So this slide summarizes the sites that are specifically affected by Ordinance 10
04:35:58.86	Beth Thompson	22 and
04:36:01.02	Beth Thompson	It also identifies the sites for MLK under ordinance 1128. And this, of course, has the 94 units for MLK. So as you can see, under ordinance 1022, we've got an assortment of sites ranging from 29 up to 70 units per acre.
04:36:20.17	Beth Thompson	and they total 358 units. These would produce 90, well, would accommodate 92 very low, 51 low, three moderate, and 161 above moderate income units.
04:36:31.99	Karen Hollweg	units. Okay.
04:36:33.29	Karen Hollweg	Can you turn off the city clerk? Can you turn off? We can't see the chart because it's blocked by the transcript.
04:36:51.33	Karen Hollweg	Okay, thank you. Sorry, Beth, go ahead.
04:36:54.09	Beth Thompson	Okay, so that was the summary for the sites affected by Ordinance 1022. And then Ordinance 1128, as you already know, and we've discussed, is the MLK site. And I think that's the overview of the sites. We do have several maps. I can also pull up if you'd like to see those. Let's see.
04:37:13.31	Beth Thompson	That's actually probably a better
04:37:16.52	Unknown	Do you have a map? Do we have a map that has a map of the overlay of the ordinance map with the sites with nothing else?
04:37:30.31	Unknown	Come on.
04:37:30.97	Unknown	Let me...
04:37:31.05	Beth Thompson	Let me pull that up. We have a couple of maps. So just give me a second and I can pull up some of my figures.
04:37:36.52	Unknown	Yeah, I saw the maps, but they have other things on them. You know, like they have lots of other things other than just the sites.
04:37:44.62	Unknown	And the
04:37:46.27	Unknown	the overlay of the ordinance. It'd be helpful if we just had those
04:37:50.25	Unknown	you know
04:37:51.22	Unknown	really clear maps of the geography of the ordinance and then just the sites that we're talking about.
04:38:00.78	Unknown	Let me give me just a minute here. I think I do have some additional figures.
04:38:05.64	Karen Hollweg	While you're looking for that, can I ask the city attorney? So city attorney, you have presented to us a resolution
04:38:13.79	Karen Hollweg	uh amending ordinances 1128
04:38:18.23	Karen Hollweg	1028, it's wrong. It says 1028 and 1122 instead of 1128 and 1022.
04:38:25.00	Unknown	And we will fix that.
04:38:28.53	Karen Hollweg	Can you please turn that into two different resolutions because
04:38:32.36	Unknown	Yeah, we intend to do that.
04:38:35.44	Unknown	you know, before the March 4th meeting.
04:38:38.97	Unknown	Um,
04:38:41.81	Unknown	So I guess while I have you folks here,
04:38:44.66	Unknown	discuss a little bit of the mechanics in terms of calling the special election
04:38:49.03	Karen Hollweg	Can you tell us what you need from us tonight? Because you've previously discussed the mechanics of the election with us.
04:38:54.44	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:38:54.46	Unknown	Okay.
04:38:54.83	Karen Hollweg	Can you just tell us what direction you need from us tonight?
04:38:58.61	Unknown	Um, at this point, uh, ultimately, you know, besides the direction to prepare two separate resolutions, uh, you know, one resolution to place, uh,
04:39:10.07	Unknown	The ballot measure related to, um,
04:39:13.55	Unknown	the MLK properties separately.
04:39:15.93	Unknown	Um,
04:39:17.43	Unknown	I think, you know, to the extent the council wants to consider
04:39:21.82	Unknown	Um,
04:39:22.69	Unknown	the form of the ballot questions and discuss those. Of course, the council's going to
04:39:27.86	Unknown	have an additional opportunity
04:39:30.49	Unknown	on march 4th to consider the form of ballot questions i also anticipate that before the council
04:39:37.44	Unknown	makes that decision that we will have some survey results related to
04:39:42.39	Unknown	you know,
04:39:43.89	Unknown	what form of the
04:39:46.05	Unknown	you know, how much,
04:39:48.50	Unknown	political support that each of these measures have
04:39:51.65	Unknown	and what sort of ballot questions are likely to
04:39:56.43	Unknown	have some popular support
04:40:00.56	Unknown	I know that city staff are currently working with FM3 to...
04:40:05.62	Unknown	survey the
04:40:07.11	Unknown	the city with respect to that particular issue.
04:40:10.67	Unknown	Um,
04:40:12.27	Unknown	Yeah, I would say at this point, given...
04:40:15.24	Unknown	some of the feedback that the Council provided regarding the contents of the sites inventory and the housing element, we are going to need to review and revise the draft ballot measures to make sure that
04:40:25.59	Unknown	It does reflect the council's direction.
04:40:29.79	Unknown	And ultimately, we're going to need to make sure that this, again, is also revised by March 4th.
04:40:36.12	Unknown	following the council's adoption and final action on the amended housing element.
04:40:40.62	Karen Hollweg	So our next study session on this is currently scheduled for February 25th. Is that right?
04:40:46.82	Karen Hollweg	or our action on this. And then, so our action on the zoning
04:40:48.12	Unknown	Yes.
04:40:48.30	Unknown	Yeah.
04:40:48.55	Unknown	And then-
04:40:48.84	Unknown	And.
04:40:51.14	Karen Hollweg	is, sorry, our action on the housing element is on the 25th. Our action on the ballot initiatives is March 4th. Is that right?
04:41:00.76	Unknown	Thank you.
04:41:00.82	Woodside	That is correct. Yes.
04:41:02.56	Unknown	Thank you.
04:41:03.71	Woodside	A quick follow up. So if we were to give you specific direction on the 25th of this month, would you have enough time to prepare the appropriate resolution and ballot language so that ready for the public to see ahead of our meeting on March?
04:41:03.99	Karen Hollweg	A quick follow.
04:41:21.33	Woodside	Fourth.
04:41:22.49	Unknown	It would be a very tight timeframe, i.e. less than 48 hours, but yes, it is technically feasible.
04:41:29.48	Karen Hollweg	And you are presenting us draft resolutions on the 25th.
04:41:33.47	Karen Hollweg	Is that right?
04:41:34.79	Unknown	I anticipate that being the case, yes.
04:41:37.21	Unknown	Yeah.
04:41:41.76	Karen Hollweg	Okay, is there anything else staff wants us to know about this...
04:41:45.37	Unknown	the
04:41:46.17	Karen Hollweg	Beth already covered the fact that in order to carry out the housing element, we have to bring certain portions of our zoning
04:41:55.03	Karen Hollweg	amendments to the voters before we can enact them.
04:42:01.22	Karen Hollweg	Is there anything else staff needed us to know before I open up to questions and then public comment?
04:42:10.47	Unknown	Not at this time.
04:42:11.70	Unknown	Okay.
04:42:11.85	Unknown	.
04:42:11.92	Beth Thompson	And I'll just refer and answer to Council member Hoffman's question we don't have a map that's all blanked out so we just have the figure that's there's two figures and attachment three.
04:42:22.95	Beth Thompson	that provide the
04:42:25.18	Beth Thompson	um,
04:42:26.36	Beth Thompson	the various zoning maps. So those show the revisions. I think that'll be the best spot to look.
04:42:34.66	Brandon Phipps	Yeah, you can also look at attachment six in item five a, which is the amended housing element ordinance 1022 and 1128 site summary that in connection with some of the simplified maps we've provided should should give a nice Murray of the sites impacted by each voter initiative.
04:42:53.94	Karen Hollweg	So we have a city of Sausalito zoning map that's labeled amended sites alternative five.
04:43:02.07	Beth Thompson	So you have...
04:43:03.25	Beth Thompson	to let's see is that which attachment are you referring to is that the attachment to
04:43:07.84	Karen Hollweg	the attachment to behind the definitions in the amendments to the Saucydo Municipal Code. Okay, so that a to the it's page 947 of our packet.
04:43:15.67	Unknown	Thank you.
04:43:15.69	Beth Thompson	Okay, so the
04:43:16.55	Unknown	it.
04:43:16.60	Beth Thompson	Thank you.
04:43:22.88	Beth Thompson	So that demonstrates what sites, which sites would be rezoned potentially under the alternative housing element. So that doesn't speak to the ballot measure necessarily. It includes all of the sites that would be rezoned, not just the ballot measure sites. And then
04:43:37.93	Beth Thompson	The following attachment, Attachment 3, includes figures that focus on the ballot major sites.
04:43:44.95	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
04:43:46.64	Karen Hollweg	Other questions? Go ahead, Vice Mayor.
04:43:48.41	Woodside	So there's no single map that would show the 358 sites.
04:43:55.19	Karen Hollweg	I think that would be a useful tool for the ballot initiative.
04:43:57.94	Woodside	Thank you.
04:43:57.96	Brandon Phipps	I agree.
04:43:59.90	Brandon Phipps	I think we can slightly augment our ordinance 10-22 and 11-28 one-pagers to include maps, individual maps, and then a single one-pager for 10-22 with a map and a singular one-pager for 11-28 with a map.
04:44:00.19	Karen Hollweg	We will.
04:44:13.20	Karen Hollweg	That sounds brilliant. Thank you.
04:44:16.66	Karen Hollweg	Any other questions? I know the hour is late. OK, I'm not seeing any raised hands. I'm going to go ahead and open it for public comment. First, I'm calling Joe Penrod, and then next, Michael Rex. If anyone else wishes to speak, please.
04:44:31.61	Karen Hollweg	And then we'll call Linda Fudge.
04:44:36.22	Karen Hollweg	Is Joe Penrod here?
04:44:39.81	Karen Hollweg	All right, then I'll call Michael Rex.
04:44:45.36	Michael Rex	I heard earlier that we should have the opportunity to enter into development agreements with property owners for commercial properties outside this approach. Industrial properties. Outside of housing opportunity sites. Industrial properties.
04:45:00.38	Karen Hollweg	that outside of housing.
04:45:03.52	Karen Hollweg	Industrial properties.
04:45:06.19	Michael Rex	Um,
04:45:07.25	Michael Rex	Well, I would include commercial properties. Um,
04:45:10.47	Michael Rex	There's there's commercial properties. My understanding at 1022.
04:45:15.43	Michael Rex	is that you cannot increase...
04:45:17.71	Michael Rex	density.
04:45:19.55	Michael Rex	or Floria Ratio without a vote of the people in these commercial sites. That's what it says. Okay. And, um,
04:45:27.48	Michael Rex	Density is defined as residential units per acre. So you cannot add any residential units outside these opportunity sites without going to a vote of the people. So we cannot enter into those kind of development agreements.
04:45:43.22	Michael Rex	in the commercial zones.
04:45:46.99	Michael Rex	without a vote of the people.
04:45:49.08	Michael Rex	And-
04:45:49.76	Michael Rex	So they're not going to happen because if you go to a property owner and say, well, we'll have to take her out. Uh, we can't even negotiate unless we go to the ballot box.
04:45:58.62	Michael Rex	So maybe we need three measures in June, not two.
04:46:03.97	Michael Rex	and one that would say,
04:46:05.80	Michael Rex	to give the city the opportunity to enter development agreements on selected sites.
04:46:11.29	Michael Rex	on commercial properties throughout Sausalito.
04:46:18.06	Michael Rex	You can't have it both ways.
04:46:21.11	Karen Hollweg	Thank you, Michael, as always. Linda.
04:46:27.03	Karen Hollweg	just after the stroke of midnight.
04:46:28.96	Unknown	Yay, Linda Fudge.
04:46:32.67	Unknown	Ordinance 102.2 does not apply to the CC zoning district or any residential district. It's on your website. I have all the paperwork. There was a meeting with ACD where Joan Cox was there, Brandon Phipps, Kristen Taiki, and I think your city attorney all agreed with ACD that that was correct. I know you're room full of attorneys. I think you're really pushing everything into litigation. Okay.
04:46:58.93	Unknown	Please don't do that.
04:47:03.99	City Clerk	Online, we have Babette McDougal.
04:47:12.16	Babette McDougall	Good evening. Thank you. So this view compliance analysis where we're doing a study design review session on this thing.
04:47:20.63	Karen Hollweg	on this thing.
04:47:21.35	Karen Hollweg	Sorry, Babette, this is on the ballot initiatives. This is not on ViewSync.
04:47:26.43	Babette McDougall	Well, I think they're related. This is why I'm bringing this up, because the truth of the matter is, I think you need to be really wary of trying to push this. Like we have a pattern that we don't talk about this issue often enough, even though it's front and center. The SCA got more attention than this did in the last two years.
04:47:43.65	Babette McDougall	And why? Because this is the cutthroat of your constituents. People are upset. It's interesting that Ms. Fotch just made that comment. I too have got scores. They are lawyering up.
04:47:55.79	Babette McDougall	And they're coming after you all. They're coming after you. Do you understand that? They are mad in this community.
04:48:01.82	Babette McDougall	All right, I just think you should know that we have an opportunity to come together here. You have the opportunity to lead it. And frankly, in my book, this has been a well-run study session tonight. A lot of stuff has been aired.
04:48:14.80	Babette McDougall	For better or for worse. And as Mr. Woodside has pointed out, we may not like it all, but we have to find a way to come to terms with it.
04:48:22.66	Babette McDougall	And I agree with that.
04:48:25.07	Babette McDougall	So I want us to go forward. I know a lot of us would like to see us go forward, but you have got to include the citizens. And that has not been happening enough. On my way out this evening, someone walked out with me and said, how in the world are citizens supposed to play a role in this? It's not clear to me at all.
04:48:41.31	Babette McDougall	So please rethink. These are your constituents. These are the people that are responsible for your vote.
04:48:47.13	Babette McDougall	Please do not ignore this plea. There were people here tonight that I had no idea intended to show up. You should feel proud of that.
04:48:53.96	Babette McDougall	Feel proud of yourselves for what you've done.
04:48:56.16	Babette McDougall	Ms. Cox, this is a credit to you.
04:48:58.40	Babette McDougall	You are the one who returned democracy to the council.
04:49:01.61	Babette McDougall	You are the ones starting to reintroduce the old model.
04:49:04.80	Babette McDougall	People are appreciative of that. Do not lose sight of this. None of us do.
04:49:10.43	Babette McDougall	So this is an opportunity.
04:49:15.09	Babette McDougall	I implore you to do it openly, fairly, and with great transparency.
04:49:20.98	City Clerk	Next speaker, Stacey Neal.
04:49:26.53	Stacey Neal	Hi. The MLK park unit count fluctuates from zero to 188 units with bonus density. It seems like there's little consistency or planning motivating the unit counts at MLK other than there's a catch-all for other areas that are complaining louder. It's not really a beneficial urban plan, and it's an attempt for community inclusion. The recent survey, which was mentioned earlier today, is remarkably biased in both writing and distribution. The current EIR for MLK has no site-specific traffic or fire. which was mentioned earlier today, is remarkably biased in both writing and distribution. The current EIR for MLK has no site-specific traffic or fire data, and as we're all more aware than ever, the fire risk is very high and very real. While the city may have more control over property they own, it's likely MLK Park will be governed by builder feasibility and state housing requirements, as is most of the housing throughout Sausalito right now.
04:50:14.56	Stacey Neal	The Working Waterfront Coalition movie generated great opposition for marineship development, but as we hear now with the meetings, there's few locations where development is not opposed. MLK is also a historic part of marineship and is now home to one of two surviving marineship buildings, and it's occupied by boat builders and artists, the very type of people you're trying to protect elsewhere in marineship. The MLK park currently generates significant revenue and development will restrict public access to schools, sport courts, and soccer fields while eliminating a valuable financial asset. It's also important that HCD comments requesting more diversity in housing locations is heeded. I see no mention of this in the current staff reports, and it was in a previous letter from HCD. The reality is a marineship has one of the greatest opportunities for building improvement, diversity, and possibilities for revitalizing the waterfront for the community and mixed-use spaces for maritime and artists. If there is a ballot, it should be for building a marineship, not building in a public park or city hall. Thank you.
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04:51:23.44	Nicole Belfoy	Hi, just to carry on on sort of our request for transparency, I did hear a reference to a survey and I am a resident, but I was wondering how that was distributed and
04:51:34.41	Nicole Belfoy	kind of by what means. For instance, I know that there's an undergrounding survey that is on the city website. It's pretty easy to find.
04:51:41.58	Nicole Belfoy	It seems like.
04:51:42.97	Nicole Belfoy	Even more comments are being solicited for that one. Yet on some survey that I see that was distributed, I'm not on the email list or I can't seem to find it. And I wasn't able to review.
04:51:54.51	Nicole Belfoy	And so I'd like actually an answer tonight as part of your comments on how exactly would we have filled out that survey and been able to comment. Thank you.
04:51:56.94	Unknown	night.
04:52:06.64	Karen Hollweg	Before you call the next speaker, I'm just going to respond and say, this is a telephonic survey. It is not a written survey. And the recipients or survey, those being surveyed, were chosen randomly.
04:52:22.25	Karen Hollweg	City clerk. No further public comments.
04:52:24.28	City Clerk	Thank you.
04:52:24.36	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I'm going to close public comment, bring it up here.
04:52:28.16	Karen Hollweg	um
04:52:29.95	Karen Hollweg	So.
04:52:31.80	Karen Hollweg	One of the things, as pointed out by
04:52:36.60	Karen Hollweg	Vice Mayor Woodside is that, and when you look at the chart from Beth, is that there are a huge number of units
04:52:44.09	Karen Hollweg	in one ballot initiative, not as many in the other.
04:52:47.04	Karen Hollweg	One of the questions for the council is, do both ballot initiatives go on the June
04:52:51.92	Karen Hollweg	ballot.
04:52:53.35	Karen Hollweg	assuming both ballot initiatives go forward, which you will decide later,
04:52:56.88	Karen Hollweg	Do they both go on the June ballot?
04:53:00.56	Unknown	I can start. I mean, well, I guess, yes, if that's possible, because then, but because then in the event that one of them fails, we would be able to plan and have significant time in advance of the January 30th deadline.
04:53:14.28	Karen Hollweg	And we can go back to the November
04:53:16.62	Unknown	Thank you.
04:53:16.64	Karen Hollweg	We can also go back on that in November.
04:53:17.74	Unknown	I'm going to try again.
04:53:19.98	Karen Hollweg	And we can refine if necessary so we have a fallback plan.
04:53:24.08	Karen Hollweg	Other comments on that?
04:53:25.28	Woodside	Quick comment. Yeah. I thought I made clear earlier, and this is not a direct answer to your question, but I think MLK should be removed. Therefore, that would move it for now.
04:53:25.82	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
04:53:35.81	Karen Hollweg	Understanding my hypothetical was if they both go forward, should they both go in June?
04:53:41.68	Woodside	Okay, if they were both going forward, yes.
04:53:44.80	Woodside	or alternatively,
04:53:47.44	Woodside	It seems to me that the MLK site, there may be widespread opposition to certainly the higher numbers. We've heard that clearly from members of the public.
04:53:52.62	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:53:57.49	Karen Hollweg	I cannot discuss the MLK site with this group.
04:54:01.43	Woodside	Okay.
04:54:01.81	Karen Hollweg	Okay, so that's why I'm posing this question the way I'm posing it.
04:54:03.20	Woodside	.
04:54:05.97	Woodside	I see.
04:54:06.52	Karen Hollweg	So.
04:54:07.23	Karen Hollweg	I will, after we decide whether we would put, if we do both, would they both go in June?
04:54:15.63	Karen Hollweg	then we'll decide, are we doing both? Or are we deferring one to later? I can wait then.
04:54:19.60	Woodside	That's a good one.
04:54:20.36	Woodside	Okay, and just to make the point, though, about who we're listening to. I'm not particularly enamored of surveys. As much as hearing from the public directly.
04:54:32.56	Karen Hollweg	Yeah. Thank you.
04:54:36.39	Helen Sobieski	uh,
04:54:37.98	Karen Hollweg	Oh.
04:54:38.25	Helen Sobieski	It is late, but what Michael Rex said made sense to me.
04:54:38.38	Unknown	Thank you.
04:54:41.89	Unknown	Thank you.
04:54:41.91	Sybil Boutillier	Yeah.
04:54:42.47	Helen Sobieski	for going to the public anyway.
04:54:44.59	Helen Sobieski	It feels like, I don't know what, I can't wordsmith at this late hour, but having a carve out of 1022 that allows a city council approved CDA agreement to,
04:54:53.76	Unknown	Thank you.
04:54:54.16	Helen Sobieski	not be in conflict with 1022 seems like a worthy addition to that ballot initiative.
04:54:54.18	Unknown	Thank you.
04:55:03.17	Unknown	Um, so.
04:55:07.24	Unknown	I'm trying to
04:55:10.36	Unknown	follow up on what the Vice Mayor, his comments. And so I'm also leaning toward just taking the MLK site off, giving our buffer and what we talked about, plussing up with the ADUs and the by right SB11 and the other ordinances we talked about and seeing what we can plus the numbers up on that one. So I'm more inclined to not put both on.
04:55:34.10	Karen Hollweg	So my question was, if we're gonna move both forward, would they both go on in June?
04:55:40.28	Unknown	Well, that's my, so I would, I don't know. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Yeah. Because I would say no, because we're the 10-22, it has a lot more sites on it. Yeah. And we would save MLK if we had, oh my God, you know, if we're really in a tough spot.
04:55:54.88	Unknown	then that would be the more urgent if we have to go back in November.
04:56:01.26	Unknown	It's a lower number, and I can't imagine that we would be in that spot. So I don't know. So I'm thinking.
04:56:07.47	Karen Hollweg	And we don't have to decide tonight. This is a study session. That's my initial date. I wanted to identify the issues for consideration really.
04:56:09.20	Unknown	This is a study session.
04:56:10.33	Unknown	Thank you.
04:56:10.40	Unknown	That's my initial date.
04:56:14.50	Karen Hollweg	parse them out.
04:56:14.97	Unknown	Yeah, and my feedback on whether or not I want to do an additional carve-out for development agreements.
04:56:21.40	Unknown	uh,
04:56:22.38	Unknown	No, I'm not. At this point, I'm sorry. At this point, at this late hour, I'm not...
04:56:28.93	Unknown	I can't wrap my head around that and give direction on that.
04:56:33.28	Woodside	That last point, I think it's worth at least in a more reasonable hour revisiting this when we meet later. And because I think there may be a necessity to do that if we actually want to see some of these things built in areas. And Michael Rex has pointed out we may have impediments to actually building things where we think they should be built.
04:56:57.89	Helen Sobieski	So I see some nodding heads on that point. Could we make that direction to staff so they do some homework so we're ready to talk about that?
04:57:04.60	Woodside	Thank you.
04:57:04.64	Helen Sobieski	And I appreciate you.
04:57:04.67	Woodside	And I appreciate some of us aren't ready to go that far yet tonight.
04:57:05.51	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
04:57:07.61	Karen Hollweg	Yeah. So I would give direction to staff to explore it, but again, not at the cost of getting on the two ballot initiatives or one, depending on what we decide, but not at the cost of sacrificing the path we've all already aligned upon.
04:57:24.33	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
04:57:25.65	Karen Hollweg	All right, so I don't think we need to discuss tonight
04:57:28.87	Karen Hollweg	Unless you want me to step out of the room and you can discuss whether you want to move forward with an MLK ballot initiative.
04:57:33.41	Woodside	MLK ballot initiative.
04:57:35.32	Woodside	Thank you.
04:57:35.45	Woodside	I think we all know there are issues there that we will need to discuss. Yeah.
04:57:39.30	Karen Hollweg	Yeah.
04:57:40.55	Karen Hollweg	Okay okay staff, do you have what you need from us and city attorney for this evening on this.
04:57:47.23	Brandon Phipps	Yes, appreciate that. We will explore the ballot alternatives, but not at the cost of the path that we're on related to the timeline. And we'll provide you with the survey results when we receive them.
04:57:59.19	Karen Hollweg	And then part of our earlier direction was to advise if we removed some of the sites that we discussed removing, identifying what the alternatives would be to meet our low and very low income.
04:58:11.50	Karen Hollweg	quotas, right? Because we need that information to make that decision.
04:58:16.07	Brandon Phipps	Yes, that is one of the big follow-on items I have as related to item 5A. And, of course, all these things are intertwined. Yes, absolutely.
04:58:23.71	Karen Hollweg	yes absolutely all right thank you with that i'm going to move on i'm going to open up item 5d for public comment is there anyone here or online that would like to make public comment this evening on an ordinance of the city council of the city of sausalito amending section 15.04.060 to prescribe speed limits within the city of sausalito
04:58:47.31	City Clerk	See you then.
04:58:48.38	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I'm gonna move on to city manager reports.
04:58:54.80	Karen Hollweg	You all got, and I'm going to...
04:58:57.83	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to usurp you, sir, for a moment. So you all got an email from the city manager advising that he's going to request that we move the February 22nd special meeting
04:59:09.11	Karen Hollweg	on Bridgeway.
04:59:10.59	Karen Hollweg	grant to Saturday, March 29th, 2025 at 1 p.m.
04:59:14.44	Karen Hollweg	before we encounter that,
04:59:17.36	Karen Hollweg	If you all decide in favor of that, that frees up
04:59:21.61	Karen Hollweg	February 22nd.
04:59:23.08	Karen Hollweg	I would like to suggest, and I've already conferred with the city manager and staff on this, that we move our February 25th meeting from 7 p.m.
04:59:32.75	Karen Hollweg	2
04:59:33.95	Karen Hollweg	February 22.
04:59:35.48	Karen Hollweg	at 2 p.m.
04:59:37.69	Karen Hollweg	because
04:59:39.21	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
04:59:40.11	Karen Hollweg	Jill, I really need you to hear this.
04:59:42.57	Karen Hollweg	Okay, because you have a women's club event that morning.
04:59:47.04	Karen Hollweg	And so we would start it at 2 p.m. in the afternoon.
04:59:51.04	Karen Hollweg	That way,
04:59:52.29	Karen Hollweg	If we go five hours as we did tonight, we're not exhausted at midnight making decisions.
04:59:58.96	Karen Hollweg	to February 22nd at 2 p.m.
05:00:03.06	Karen Hollweg	The 25th. Instead of the 25th at 7 p.m.,
05:00:06.62	Karen Hollweg	we make our decisions on these important issues on a Saturday at 2 p.m.
05:00:12.90	Unknown	Thank you.
05:00:16.56	Woodside	movements. One is to take the one issue. Which we'll discuss in a moment. Yeah.
05:00:20.27	Karen Hollweg	Which we'll discuss in a moment. Yeah. Right.
05:00:22.94	Woodside	move that to March so that we can all focus on these very important issues in February.
05:00:29.11	Woodside	And
05:00:29.85	Woodside	I like your suggestion of having, even though Saturdays are hard for some people,
05:00:36.17	Woodside	Members of the general public often can't come here on a weekend.
05:00:39.95	Karen Hollweg	Right, or at 11 p.m. on a weeknight.
05:00:43.76	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	Well, 20 of us.
05:00:44.76	Unknown	you
05:00:44.97	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	Thank you.
05:00:47.32	Adriana Denehenian-Zalew	Yeah.
05:00:52.55	Unknown	And mayor, I,
05:00:54.37	Unknown	My only caution on this is that because this would escalate our timeline by several days on an already tight schedule, I just want to make sure with CDD that there is not an impact there.
05:01:06.20	Karen Hollweg	So you weren't here when I conferred with them during our five-minute break that I turned into 15 minutes in order to discuss this option. So it's fine with me. If the council would prefer to start earlier, I'll try and take time off from work to start earlier on Tuesday, the 25th. So.
05:01:31.48	Karen Hollweg	Bye.
05:01:31.94	Karen Hollweg	No, I know way earlier for.
05:01:32.17	Unknown	No, way earlier. Four.
05:01:35.60	Karen Hollweg	You said four just a second ago. Yeah. You did.
05:01:38.59	Unknown	I can do four.
05:01:39.58	Karen Hollweg	I can do core also. I'll make it work.
05:01:41.03	Unknown	you
05:01:43.51	Unknown	second-by-fourth.
05:01:45.27	Unknown	Okay.
05:01:46.10	Unknown	Thank you.
05:01:46.15	Unknown	Thank you.
05:01:46.16	Unknown	Thank you.
05:01:46.18	Unknown	for.
05:01:46.38	Unknown	Thank you.
05:01:46.55	Unknown	for. Look what time it is.
05:01:48.97	Unknown	Mill Valley starts their meetings, I think, at 5 every time.
05:01:51.97	Karen Hollweg	All right, so, and that gives staff the same amount of time that they would have. I know they'll be grateful, and Brandon was going to have to readjust his schedule. All right, so...
05:02:02.60	Karen Hollweg	This is direction to staff to hold our February, to commence.
05:02:07.34	Karen Hollweg	the regular portion of our February 25th meeting at...
05:02:12.98	Karen Hollweg	4 p.m. So if we have to have closed session, that will be prior to 4 p.m.
05:02:21.60	Karen Hollweg	The conversation is going to relate to.
05:02:28.37	Karen Hollweg	It is a special meeting.
05:02:30.29	Unknown	I thought we were moving the special meeting per the request
05:02:32.94	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:02:33.36	Karen Hollweg	No, we are going to meet on February 18th. February 25th has always been a special meeting to adopt the housing element in order to meet the timeline. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
05:02:41.50	Unknown	Okay.
05:02:43.98	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:02:44.65	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
05:02:45.02	Unknown	Thank you.
05:02:45.16	Unknown	If I can, and I'll conclude the report. Thank you for that information. I just want to caveat this with a couple of things. We have received an invitation to ask for more time. We have not received the approval from MTC yet, but we don't anticipate a problem. But should there be something that says, no, you've got to do this on a time frame that we said earlier, we're not going to give you a six-month extension. We'll deal with that. But I don't think that's going to happen. I just want to put that on the record. The other thing is this will not change the February 13th 6 p.m. meeting of the Sustainability Commission to listen to the Sea Level Rise Commission. What this will do, we'll then move the Bridgeway grant meeting to the last Saturday in March, which is the 29th.
05:03:37.93	Karen Hollweg	And he is proposing 1 PM. Any issue with 1 PM for folks on March 29th?
05:03:46.42	Karen Hollweg	Okay, so City Manager, you have consensus from the Council to move the Bridgeway Grant meeting to March 29th, 2025 at 1 p.m. unless MTC declines the extension request.
05:04:00.99	Karen Hollweg	In which case, you're going to have to circle back with us.
05:04:04.30	Unknown	And we'll make sure that we...
05:04:05.97	Unknown	We put some clarity into the public in terms of currents and whatever other mechanisms we have so that people understand, you know, the meeting on the 22nd probably will not happen once we know that's not that's the case. Then we will make sure that they know the meeting in March on the 29th will happen and the time.
05:04:25.03	Karen Hollweg	Great.
05:04:26.14	Karen Hollweg	Anything else for your report, sir? Thank you so much. Any council member reports?
05:04:39.00	Karen Hollweg	I attended an MCC MC legislative committee meeting and one of the focuses was zone zero, which is the yes. And I attended the MCC MC meeting the two days later and we heard from the Marin
05:04:57.78	Karen Hollweg	Fire Chief and the Marin Office of Emergency Services.
05:05:02.44	Karen Hollweg	And their focus was Zone Zero. And so on February 18th, we here will hear a presentation from first Stephanie Moulton-Peters, and then from Chief Tubbs, who will also discuss Zone Zero. So Zone Zero was adopted by Mill Valley five years ago. Sausalito declined.
05:05:20.00	Karen Hollweg	There is now a better incentive to adopt Zone Zero. That means creating zero fire fuel between zero and five feet from your residence. The incentive is it can result in lower insurance costs. So that's something that's being worked on regionally. So that's my report on MCCMC.
05:05:44.17	Karen Hollweg	Any other council member reports?
05:05:46.56	Karen Hollweg	Okay, I have no appointments this evening. Future agenda items.
05:05:54.44	Karen Hollweg	We had a request from Sandra Bushmaker that...
05:05:57.74	Karen Hollweg	we prepare an update on executive orders. So I would ask that our city attorney, who is a member of a large firm, if his firm happens to disseminate any updates on executive orders and their implications on local agencies, that he share those with us. But I am not inclined to ask our city attorney to spend Sausalito's money performing that work.
05:06:27.86	Karen Hollweg	If there is a specific order that any of us becomes aware of that we need further analysis on its implications for Sausalito, I would say let's do it.
05:06:36.80	Woodside	And I think the city manager would be the point person to be aware of those things. And I would want to hear from the city manager or other staff. There's an executive order that has implications for us. And whether we need to react to it in some way, we'd have a chance to do so. I think it's amazing how many orders are being issued. And I will just say one that was issued by the commander-in-chief to the Army Corps of Engineers released a lot of water.
05:07:06.57	Unknown	Yeah.
05:07:06.62	Woodside	Yeah.
05:07:06.86	Woodside	Now, we have an Army Corps of Engineers facility here. Are there going to be executive orders that, for example, kick out the other uses at that site, including the Bay Model itself? I don't know. You never know what's going to happen.
05:07:22.45	Karen Hollweg	Yep.
05:07:24.05	Karen Hollweg	So that's not direction. That's yeah.
05:07:27.29	Woodside	Thank you.
05:07:27.31	Unknown	Yeah.
05:07:28.08	Unknown	Yeah.
05:07:28.76	Unknown	Thank you.
05:07:28.79	Unknown	Yes, please. I'm sorry. Okay.
05:07:30.78	Unknown	Okay.
05:07:31.02	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
05:07:31.78	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:07:32.15	Unknown	you
05:07:32.47	Karen Hollweg	.
05:07:32.54	Unknown	Right.
05:07:33.28	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:07:33.35	Unknown	Thank you.
05:07:33.38	Unknown	Thank you.
05:07:33.42	Karen Hollweg	I'm going to start listing our various committees so that you can do a checklist of whether you have anything to report from your committee.
05:07:39.58	Unknown	Well, this may be a little bit premature, but I serve on the North Bay Executive Committee for Marin County, I've served on it for the last two years. And the president for the North Bay
05:07:52.28	Unknown	um
05:07:53.16	Unknown	the North Bay
05:07:54.78	Unknown	committee was Janelle Kelman and she obviously she's not on the council anymore so she was not present anymore.
05:08:02.90	Unknown	So it's gapped and usually
05:08:04.96	Unknown	If you serve on the executive committee,
05:08:06.86	Unknown	You're the second.
05:08:07.91	Unknown	the first person and the second person. And if you're served on it,
05:08:10.69	Unknown	then you become present and you just sort of move up.
05:08:12.75	Unknown	And so she was left. This happened with the Councilmember Withy when he also was right
05:08:19.28	Unknown	Yes.
05:08:20.84	Unknown	And so anyway, so he left and I present, I put in an application.
05:08:26.32	Unknown	to become the president at Janelle Kellman's suggestion.
05:08:32.55	Unknown	and with her support. And the nominating committee met yesterday.
05:08:36.88	Unknown	and I was the only application by the deadline. And I received the unanimous support of the nominating committee. And so it's expected that I'll be supported by the rest of the North Bay group that's going to meet next Monday. And so I think I'll become the president of the North Bay executive group on Monday. And we're going to meet Monday at lunch. So I just wanted to do, you know.
05:09:05.37	Karen Hollweg	Well, congratulations, and we look forward to the grant funding opportunities you'll identify for us through that organization.
05:09:09.37	Unknown	I promise.
05:09:10.38	Unknown	Through that organization. So it will be an abbreviated, but I'll finish out Janelle's and her thing. It's a nice continuity for Sausalito. So anyway. Wonderful. Yeah. Thank you.
05:09:21.18	Karen Hollweg	Wonderful.
05:09:23.26	Unknown	Can I take city manager privilege, mayor?
05:09:23.56	Karen Hollweg	Okay.
05:09:23.73	Unknown	I'm not.
05:09:26.04	Karen Hollweg	Give me just a moment. I'm going to hear from him and then. Yeah.
05:09:29.40	Helen Sobieski	Each feature agenda items, I had two, one,
05:09:30.06	Karen Hollweg	future agenda.
05:09:32.81	Helen Sobieski	is I would love us to schedule a resolution to make sure we don't lose our undergrounding credits that might be threatened. There's a deadline to initiate a project
05:09:45.40	Karen Hollweg	Yes, we're working, staff is working on that.
05:09:47.10	Helen Sobieski	That's right.
05:09:47.59	Helen Sobieski	And the other is, as I said earlier this evening, I would like to bring back the RFI.
05:09:53.72	Helen Sobieski	Topic that was agendized in March 25th.
05:09:56.97	Helen Sobieski	May 2023.
05:10:00.40	Helen Sobieski	with that staff report, the RFI, the response from community venture partners for
05:10:06.42	Helen Sobieski	consideration and direction from the city council
05:10:08.77	Karen Hollweg	Will you reach out to confirm he's still interested? Because my understanding was he was not interested in working with us.
05:10:14.84	Helen Sobieski	Yeah, he is still interested. I did check on that. But...
05:10:18.79	Helen Sobieski	both I'm interested in him and also just the whole subject. So the staff report, the RFI,
05:10:24.44	Helen Sobieski	The topic, it's aligned with what we discussed tonight.
05:10:28.07	Helen Sobieski	And yes, he is still interested. Who knows on what terms, but.
05:10:30.98	Helen Sobieski	Okay.
05:10:31.23	Karen Hollweg	Okay, wait.
05:10:32.39	Karen Hollweg	Sorry.
05:10:32.80	Helen Sobieski	Absolutely.
05:10:33.10	Karen Hollweg	Thank you.
05:10:33.15	Helen Sobieski	I'm sorry.
05:10:33.93	Karen Hollweg	I've got you on each side, so go ahead.
05:10:36.93	Unknown	I had a number of requests from members of the community to consider speed bumps near our school zones Apparently there's been a lot of issues with speeding around the campus So I don't know if where we would agenda is that if it's it within capital improvement projects or otherwise But I've been asked by a number of parents. Just the neighborhood is very people are driving very speedily And city clerk
05:10:58.43	Karen Hollweg	City Clerk, you're grabbing these, right?
05:11:01.03	Unknown	THE FAMILY.
05:11:01.18	Unknown	Okay.
05:11:01.45	Unknown	I also have been waiting for quite some time to see us have bring back the conversation of the development agreement around bridgeway Marina. So I just want to bring that back up to top of mind for all of us as something we should consider on the agenda this year. In light of the discussions around zones here i've been having a number of discussions as well with supervisor mold and peters and our assembly Member.
05:11:21.94	Unknown	Damon Connolly, and I would love for us to do something immediately to assess the Zone Zero ordinance or enforce Zone Zero. So I just want to get that going. Also, at our previous meeting,
05:11:33.43	Unknown	We heard from Damian Morgan about police data, and I still think we should agenda as a conversation about that. That was a significant public comment.
05:11:43.00	Karen Hollweg	Yeah, we're going to hear about that at our first meeting in March.
05:11:47.72	Woodside	I agree with all of these. And just a question on the undergrounding. You mentioned the deadline. Is that deadline soon? Yeah.
05:11:56.33	Karen Hollweg	Yeah, we're going to hear about that, I think, at our meeting on February 18th. Okay.
05:12:05.58	Karen Hollweg	Oh.
05:12:11.69	Karen Hollweg	Other reports of significance, none. Before we adjourn, I want to remind everybody that the police department annual awards ceremony is tomorrow morning at 7 a.m. Many of you have attended this. The city manager and I will be there representing Sausalito, but please feel free to join us if you are so inclined. You would all be welcome, as you well know.
05:12:39.55	Karen Hollweg	And with that, this meeting is adjourned.